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| 00:12.25 | plasma_kaz | how fast? |
| 00:13.02 | plasma_kaz | jeffm2501: how fast do you need it? |
| 00:13.36 | JeffM2501 | like now |
| 00:13.43 | JeffM2501 | how long is it going to take you? |
| 00:13.45 | JeffM2501 | days? weeks? |
| 00:14.07 | plasma_kaz | I'll for sure have it by tomorrow |
| 00:14.11 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 00:14.15 | plasma_kaz | by tonight might be difficult |
| 00:14.25 | plasma_kaz | alright, thanks |
| 00:14.28 | JeffM2501 | I'll wait to delete it till tomorow |
| 00:14.37 | JeffM2501 | but I can't wait anylonger |
| 00:14.53 | JeffM2501 | and in the future, please don't lie to us. |
| 00:15.16 | CBG | JeffM2501: I suspect more do than you think... |
| 00:15.22 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 00:15.31 | CBG | I sure as hell never read those forms when joining forums... |
| 00:15.35 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 00:15.43 | CBG | I may have joined the bzbb before I was 13.. |
| 00:15.46 | spldart | Heh... Like Jeff has any illusions as to the nature of man |
| 00:15.59 | JeffM2501 | I wish I didn't have to be hardball about it. But all it takes is one parrent to shut us down. |
| 00:16.06 | CBG | Maybe not, that would be almost 5 years ago... Didn't play bz that long. |
| 00:16.37 | spldart | ... or in this case. Boy |
| 00:16.38 | JeffM2501 | if we don't know, then we have some small protecion, as it comes down to the child invalidating our contract, and we delte the info |
| 00:16.42 | JeffM2501 | but if we know, we have to delete. |
| 00:17.27 | plasma_kaz | jeffm2501: i had said i was over 13 because i had permission from my parents to play other games similar to this :) |
| 00:17.41 | JeffM2501 | the permison isn't for you to play |
| 00:17.45 | JeffM2501 | it's for US to store info for you |
| 00:18.07 | plasma_kaz | just like profile info? |
| 00:18.07 | JeffM2501 | and if you had permision, then you shoudl have said you were 12, and sent us permision |
| 00:18.11 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 00:18.13 | JeffM2501 | email |
| 00:18.14 | JeffM2501 | username |
| 00:18.16 | JeffM2501 | password |
| 00:18.21 | JeffM2501 | that's your personal info |
| 00:18.36 | JeffM2501 | also you can't legaly give us permison to redistribute your posts |
| 00:18.40 | JeffM2501 | as you can't enter a contract. |
| 00:19.05 | spldart | Life sure is getting complicated |
| 00:19.11 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:19.21 | JeffM2501 | but there are sites out there that can abbuse kids info |
| 00:19.37 | JeffM2501 | and the guberment has been cracking down |
| 00:19.47 | JeffM2501 | zongo got fined like a million for coppa violations. |
| 00:20.05 | plasma_kaz | better safe than sorry |
| 00:20.07 | Allied | you kidding? |
| 00:20.07 | spldart | Life sure is getting expensive 8-0 |
| 00:20.13 | JeffM2501 | no, I am not |
| 00:20.20 | Allied | phew |
| 00:20.21 | JeffM2501 | the federal trade commision fined them |
| 00:20.31 | Allied | I see |
| 00:21.03 | JeffM2501 | all it would take would be one parrent to sue us, and we'd be done for |
| 00:21.03 | PrezKennedy | sure glad most of the stuff i work on kids have absolutely no interest in |
| 00:21.04 | Allied | yeah I see |
| 00:21.05 | CBG | JeffM2501: zongo keeps data like that? |
| 00:21.13 | CBG | Oh, the 1vs1 site had forums, right? |
| 00:21.22 | JeffM2501 | any login is considered personal info |
| 00:21.24 | JeffM2501 | so yes |
| 00:21.41 | CBG | Yeah... I forgot about the forum. The rest of the site has no login or such... |
| 00:22.15 | CBG | And come to think about it, the forum was closed/removed recently, so... :( That sucks. |
| 00:22.18 | JeffM2501 | from the cases I've read, basicly if you find out somone is under 13, and you act to delete the info, it's very hard for somone to sue you. |
| 00:22.37 | JeffM2501 | the problem is when you don't act in a reasonable manner |
| 00:22.52 | CBG | I can imagine. |
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| 00:23.12 | ep | FTC fine? I never heard of COPPA till now. They can fine anybody? Zongo not an American citizen? |
| 00:23.19 | PrezKennedy | i say im 12 when RealPlayer comes up |
| 00:23.23 | PrezKennedy | and it never bothers me again |
| 00:23.27 | JeffM2501 | so anytime I See a post that mentions somone under 13 I have to do something |
| 00:23.39 | JeffM2501 | PrezKennedy, it probalby never stores anything, that is one advantage of it. |
| 00:24.35 | JeffM2501 | ep, COPPA has been around for a while now |
| 00:24.35 | a_meteorite | what if I piggy backed off of bzbb's logins? would I get in trouble if someone signed-up at the bzbb and lied about their age and then I stored info? |
| 00:24.35 | blast007 | PrezKennedy: I do that for Flash or Shockwave too ;) |
| 00:24.35 | PrezKennedy | :) |
| 00:24.37 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, we store the login, so that part is on us. |
| 00:24.55 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: yeah, I'd be storing data on my end but I'd use m.b.o.'s weblogin to log people in |
| 00:24.59 | JeffM2501 | if you stored other info that was considered "personal" then yes, you'd have to have your own coppa |
| 00:25.01 | a_meteorite | like statistics and later a forum |
| 00:25.09 | JeffM2501 | depends how "personal" the info is |
| 00:25.12 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 00:25.15 | blast007 | hmm |
| 00:25.27 | JeffM2501 | game stats are probalby not considered "personal" |
| 00:25.34 | JeffM2501 | but it's an interesting question |
| 00:25.34 | a_meteorite | that's interesting. cause legally they could only get into my site if they were 13 cause they would have to do a coppa at yours. |
| 00:25.49 | JeffM2501 | well the coppa permision was for US, not you |
| 00:25.55 | a_meteorite | probably wouldn't hurt to have a coppa form thrown in when they sign-in the first time |
| 00:25.59 | JeffM2501 | remember the permision isn't for the player, it's for the site |
| 00:26.20 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 00:26.30 | a_meteorite | but it'd also allow them forum access |
| 00:26.36 | a_meteorite | and store stats and stuff |
| 00:26.44 | JeffM2501 | that's only a byproduct of having an account |
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| 00:26.58 | JeffM2501 | techincaly we don't have to allow anyone the ability to post |
| 00:27.04 | JeffM2501 | the coppa is just for us to store the info |
| 00:27.09 | blast007 | JeffM2501: and phpBB released .22 now :/ |
| 00:27.11 | a_meteorite | I see |
| 00:27.13 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 00:27.35 | PrezKennedy | id be like "Sorry, no one under 13 allowed... if we know about them, we will remove them" *cough cough* |
| 00:27.49 | a_meteorite | yeah, or just rip phpbb's under 13 and disclaimer thingy |
| 00:27.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah that is a thing we pondered |
| 00:28.02 | a_meteorite | on their first sign-in. so then I don't have to worry. |
| 00:28.13 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, if we pull that and just let anyone sign up, then we are a LOT more liable |
| 00:28.32 | a_meteorite | well, yeah :) |
| 00:28.58 | JeffM2501 | a lot of sites mod it to just disallow under 13 |
| 00:29.04 | JeffM2501 | then they don't have to store coppa letters |
| 00:29.15 | JeffM2501 | Tim is willing to store coppa letters, so we do it |
| 00:29.17 | a_meteorite | basically I'd be piggy backing off your login so I would be "trusting" (not the legal kind) that all your peeps really aren't lying about the coppa status |
| 00:29.26 | a_meteorite | yeah, I wouldn't be willing |
| 00:29.35 | a_meteorite | don't want everyone to know my PO box :) |
| 00:29.41 | JeffM2501 | if you just store game stats I don't think anyone will ding you |
| 00:29.45 | JeffM2501 | or even like the bzid |
| 00:29.54 | PrezKennedy | pennysaver already knows about mine... geez i get enough crap in it |
| 00:29.57 | JeffM2501 | if you store there e-mail, or other info then it would be bad |
| 00:29.58 | a_meteorite | it'll store chat in-game as well :) |
| 00:30.07 | a_meteorite | yeah, that would come along with forums |
| 00:30.07 | JeffM2501 | there are legal implications of that |
| 00:30.16 | JeffM2501 | as you don't hold copyright of it |
| 00:30.25 | a_meteorite | :\ |
| 00:30.31 | a_meteorite | disclaimer in server message? |
| 00:30.36 | JeffM2501 | that would help |
| 00:30.49 | a_meteorite | hehe, I've been in trouble for some time now then |
| 00:31.02 | a_meteorite | (no site set-up yet that is public, but stats and chat has been collecting) |
| 00:31.04 | JeffM2501 | well it jsut protects you if somone wants to sue you |
| 00:31.08 | a_meteorite | I know |
| 00:31.15 | JeffM2501 | it's just civil stuff |
| 00:31.17 | JeffM2501 | not criminal |
| 00:31.22 | a_meteorite | I really doubt someone would sue me or even be able to find me, but I don't want anyone to try either |
| 00:31.45 | JeffM2501 | I mean techincaly, I could go on your server, type some copywriten stuff |
| 00:31.50 | JeffM2501 | you log it and host it on a site |
| 00:32.00 | JeffM2501 | then I tell the copyright holder about you, and he can sue you |
| 00:32.06 | a_meteorite | not cool |
| 00:32.11 | JeffM2501 | as you would be redistributing his property |
| 00:32.12 | blast007 | a simple disclaimer on the site would prevent that though |
| 00:32.15 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 00:32.35 | JeffM2501 | a disclaimer gives you a layer of protection and would make the copyright holder have to go after me |
| 00:32.54 | a_meteorite | "The above logs were said by their respective owners and does not constitute the opinion of me." or something like that... |
| 00:32.55 | JeffM2501 | tho you'd have to act in a reasonable manner to remove the offending property |
| 00:33.11 | a_meteorite | yeah, I can insert some function to delete table rows |
| 00:33.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah, "and are copyright there respective owners, etc" |
| 00:33.23 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to have a contact info for the removal of stuff |
| 00:33.30 | JeffM2501 | it's basicly what youtube is doing |
| 00:33.44 | blast007 | heck, I did a User Agreement on my new site just for uploading maps |
| 00:34.09 | a_meteorite | lol |
| 00:34.12 | a_meteorite | can I rip it? :) |
| 00:34.28 | blast007 | :P |
| 00:34.31 | blast007 | it's very specific to maps |
| 00:34.37 | JeffM2501 | only if he gives you a license |
| 00:34.37 | a_meteorite | figured :) |
| 00:34.37 | blast007 | only a paragraph |
| 00:34.42 | blast007 | heh |
| 00:34.43 | JeffM2501 | as he hold copyright on it |
| 00:34.47 | a_meteorite | yes, yes |
| 00:35.21 | a_meteorite | man, now I have to hire a lawyer or used a lgpl licensed contract :P |
| 00:35.43 | JeffM2501 | depends on the level of protection you are comfortable with |
| 00:35.51 | JeffM2501 | you can make up your own license |
| 00:35.59 | JeffM2501 | it may or may not hold up in court |
| 00:36.16 | JeffM2501 | but you have to decide how large your risk is |
| 00:36.20 | Erroneous | or you can move to jupiter |
| 00:36.23 | Erroneous | or russia |
| 00:36.23 | blast007 | heh |
| 00:36.28 | JeffM2501 | sealand! |
| 00:36.34 | JeffM2501 | it's for sale |
| 00:36.42 | Allied | yeah I heard about that |
| 00:36.44 | Erroneous | heh |
| 00:36.50 | a_meteorite | buy my own island and not have to worry about jurisdiction |
| 00:36.53 | blast007 | Atlantis! |
| 00:36.59 | a_meteorite | and then run a fiber cable out |
| 00:37.11 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, usualy you lease islands from a country, they are still held under the laws of that country |
| 00:37.16 | Allied | I wonder whether either the EU or the UK will give in |
| 00:37.18 | a_meteorite | darnit |
| 00:37.25 | Erroneous | a_meteorite: countries certainly do have to worry about jurisdiction...but they decide with guns, not judges ;) |
| 00:37.28 | blast007 | what if I built my own island? |
| 00:37.34 | JeffM2501 | that's what sealand is |
| 00:37.39 | a_meteorite | Erroneous: so I get to deal with the military! awesome :) |
| 00:37.58 | a_meteorite | will they drop nukes on me? :) |
| 00:37.58 | Erroneous | a_meteorite: dealing with THAT end of the military is not pleasant |
| 00:37.58 | blast007 | JeffM2501: ah |
| 00:37.58 | a_meteorite | or do a full-ground assault to get me, heh |
| 00:37.59 | Erroneous | ask Mr. Hussein |
| 00:38.02 | Erroneous | oh wait, you can't ;) |
| 00:38.07 | blast007 | :) |
| 00:38.19 | JeffM2501 | sealand is basicly an oil rig that was converetd to a seperate sovregn nation |
| 00:38.21 | JeffM2501 | ish |
| 00:39.00 | blast007 | hah, 550 square meters |
| 00:39.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:39.21 | JeffM2501 | but it's got the internet! |
| 00:39.23 | blast007 | even have their own currency |
| 00:39.57 | a_meteorite | "OMG!!! A TSUNAMI IS COMING!" |
| 00:40.16 | Erroneous | forget owning countries...if, as I suggested, you move to jupiter (or one of the affiliated satellites), you could own your own PLANET |
| 00:40.40 | a_meteorite | that'd be awesome |
| 00:40.42 | a_meteorite | but I would die like in 5 years from radiation :) |
| 00:40.56 | a_meteorite | "Look at this 5 foot thick lead roof..." |
| 00:41.06 | Erroneous | naw, most of its moons are tidelocked, just live on the outside |
| 00:41.08 | JeffM2501 | take some nuke plants and tethers and shield yourself |
| 00:41.10 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 00:41.29 | JeffM2501 | yeah don't park in an o'neal or something |
| 00:41.32 | Erroneous | or pick a different planet |
| 00:41.46 | Erroneous | mars is too close for comfort though |
| 00:41.54 | Erroneous | might have visitors if you set up shop there |
| 00:42.07 | JeffM2501 | you could be a belter easy enough |
| 00:42.07 | a_meteorite | but I'd have to deal with the US or Russia in 20 years when they claim it |
| 00:42.14 | blast007 | Erroneous: that's what rail guns are for ;) |
| 00:42.17 | a_meteorite | "This is our planet. Now get off." |
| 00:42.35 | Erroneous | mm, railguns |
| 00:42.41 | blast007 | "We have declared war against Mars" |
| 00:42.52 | JeffM2501 | railguns are not efective for multiple shots |
| 00:42.57 | JeffM2501 | you want coilguns |
| 00:42.59 | Erroneous | dude, declaring war against the GOD of war, is not cool |
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| 00:44.32 | Erroneous | if you have enough guns, you don't need many shots, JeffM2501 :) |
| 00:44.44 | JeffM2501 | untill they come back |
| 00:45.08 | Erroneous | they won't come back ;) |
| 00:45.17 | blast007 | laser turrets |
| 00:45.20 | JeffM2501 | that's the attiude that gets ya killed |
| 00:45.30 | JeffM2501 | atmo is thiner |
| 00:45.37 | Erroneous | they might come back as zombies? |
| 00:45.46 | Erroneous | railguns won't kill zombies anyway |
| 00:45.50 | JeffM2501 | kenetics arn't realy usefull at orbial distances |
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| 00:46.08 | JeffM2501 | anything over 3-4 light seconds and it's an easy dodge |
| 00:46.18 | Erroneous | depends how fast you throw it |
| 00:46.30 | JeffM2501 | you gonna huck something at .5 c? |
| 00:46.35 | Erroneous | why not? :) |
| 00:46.46 | JeffM2501 | got a sun to burn in the procces? :) |
| 00:46.55 | Erroneous | I mean, if you're the only guy on mars, what else are you gonna use all those fusion plants for? :) |
| 00:47.08 | JeffM2501 | stealth cruse missile would be best probably |
| 00:47.11 | JeffM2501 | and way more efficent |
| 00:47.31 | Erroneous | autonomous swarms are more fun |
| 00:47.33 | JeffM2501 | heh, railgun mag flux for that speed woudl probably tear a chunk outa the planet |
| 00:47.43 | Erroneous | hm, true :) |
| 00:48.02 | JeffM2501 | "did it fire?" " I dunno but I can't feel my blood anymore" |
| 00:48.42 | JeffM2501 | the book I have here says railguns don't scale well |
| 00:48.50 | Erroneous | they don't |
| 00:48.54 | JeffM2501 | since it's efectivly a one coil, coil gun |
| 00:48.58 | Erroneous | at least not irl :) |
| 00:49.20 | JeffM2501 | the info on hull ionization is VERY interesting tho |
| 00:49.30 | JeffM2501 | seems to work the way I expected it to |
| 00:49.51 | a_meteorite | is this all physics? |
| 00:49.53 | JeffM2501 | just needs decent power |
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| 00:51.20 | Erroneous | a_meteorite: life is physics |
| 00:51.25 | JeffM2501 | and goo |
| 00:51.29 | JeffM2501 | don't forget the goo |
| 00:51.36 | Erroneous | goo is physics too :) |
| 00:51.44 | JeffM2501 | goo transends all |
| 00:52.11 | Erroneous | no, that's guu :) |
| 00:52.23 | a_meteorite | if you squirt enough goo you could throw their space ship fleet off-course into the gravity field of a planet! |
| 00:52.55 | JeffM2501 | for every squirt there is an equal and oposite squirt |
| 00:53.33 | Erroneous | that sounds like a good quote to take (without context) for bash.org... |
| 00:53.39 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 00:53.50 | a_meteorite | lol |
| 00:55.26 | L4m3r | if bash quotes all had their respective context they wouldn't be nearly as funny :P |
| 00:55.45 | Erroneous | that is true |
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| 04:32.50 | daniel_jackson | hey guys I'm admin on missile war I just got a message "Kicking Player <playername> endshot credit: 6" |
| 04:33.00 | daniel_jackson | what does this mean? |
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| 04:33.14 | DTRemenak | means he ran out of endshot credits |
| 04:33.27 | daniel_jackson | yeah! lol |
| 04:33.49 | daniel_jackson | can you elaborate on that? |
| 04:35.47 | daniel_jackson | what would trigger this message? |
| 04:40.04 | a_temp_dist | Here's an older thread about that |
| 04:40.05 | a_temp_dist | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3579&highlight=endshot+credit |
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| 04:48.23 | blast007 | about who? |
| 04:49.59 | blast007 | the complaint earlier (if we're thinking of the same one) was about someone using registered users names and tking |
| 04:50.55 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 04:51.20 | blast007 | (not authenticated) |
| 04:54.09 | blast007 | weee |
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| 11:56.29 | Birdie | ~blast007++ |
| 11:56.33 | Birdie | all worked what you did |
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| 15:07.46 | WarPig | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.51 | Manu | hi WarPig |
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| 15:10.44 | WarPig | hi manu |
| 15:10.51 | WarPig | whats up |
| 15:11.25 | Manu | all good, and you? |
| 15:11.31 | WarPig | good thanks |
| 15:11.39 | WarPig | howz viper going |
| 15:12.05 | Manu | good too :) |
| 15:12.16 | WarPig | i heard plokijuy became cop |
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| 15:12.33 | WarPig | thats good |
| 15:13.52 | WarPig | hello? |
| 15:15.21 | WarPig | manu? |
| 15:16.08 | Manu | here |
| 15:16.16 | WarPig | ok |
| 15:16.27 | WarPig | where did u go? |
| 15:16.48 | Manu | I'm working.. now I gotta go. bbl |
| 15:17.26 | WarPig | bye |
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| 17:11.01 | WarPig | hi everybody |
| 17:12.38 | CBG | Hi |
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| 17:20.21 | gsnedders | WarPig seems to say hi an awful lot :P |
| 17:20.49 | [NP]Tangent | hi |
| 17:20.51 | [NP]Tangent | :D |
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| 17:23.32 | JeffM2501 | is it time to go home yet? |
| 17:23.39 | brlcad | not quite |
| 17:23.52 | JeffM2501 | damn |
| 17:23.56 | brlcad | another half hour |
| 17:23.57 | JeffM2501 | you move yet man? :) |
| 17:24.04 | brlcad | heh |
| 17:24.07 | brlcad | what do you thing |
| 17:24.43 | JeffM2501 | that you now live in Hawaii beliving it to be a seperate sovrjen nation |
| 17:24.54 | brlcad | that would be sweet |
| 17:25.23 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 17:25.49 | brlcad | actually met a couple of the devs for Brazil rendering system |
| 17:25.55 | brlcad | they all live/work/play in hawaii |
| 17:25.56 | JeffM2501 | I want to move to burbank and write/produce animated features and TV shows |
| 17:26.02 | Tupone | hola brlcad |
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| 17:26.33 | brlcad | he said they'd code for a few hours, go surfing for a few hours, back to coding for a few more, sleep, repeat ;) |
| 17:26.38 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:26.54 | brlcad | ciao tupone |
| 17:27.01 | JeffM2501 | did they ever re-release a free version? |
| 17:27.10 | brlcad | not that I know of |
| 17:27.27 | JeffM2501 | I always wanted to learn more about it, but when I got interested they didn't have a free one up anymore ( |
| 17:28.20 | brlcad | they have a free max plugin |
| 17:28.30 | JeffM2501 | well that's something |
| 17:28.33 | JeffM2501 | tho I loathe max |
| 17:36.47 | JeffM2501 | does the word "time" have any special meaning in C++? |
| 17:36.53 | JeffM2501 | like is it a reserved keyword? |
| 17:37.14 | JeffM2501 | louman is having problems calling BZF_API void bz_setMaxWaitTime ( float time ) |
| 17:37.22 | JeffM2501 | it's telling him it's converting a double to an int |
| 17:38.00 | brlcad | probably has some header that has a typedef |
| 17:38.18 | JeffM2501 | I'll change it to maxTime or something |
| 17:38.22 | JeffM2501 | see if that helps him |
| 17:38.38 | JeffM2501 | tho I should see if I can dupe the error |
| 17:38.46 | JeffM2501 | I "think" he's using VC8 tho |
| 17:38.54 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, we have anything here with VC 8 on it? |
| 17:38.56 | brlcad | there's a time_t, but not a time afaik.. but then it really could be any header installed on the system that could typedef/cause it |
| 17:39.15 | brlcad | easy enough to just change the name :) |
| 17:39.21 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: the vista machine next to jeremy |
| 17:39.40 | brlcad | that jeremy |
| 17:39.42 | brlcad | he's crazy |
| 17:39.49 | JeffM2501 | can I remote to it? |
| 17:40.10 | JeffM2501 | hmm I should put vc8 on the lappy I have |
| 17:40.10 | Erroneous | should be able to |
| 17:40.19 | Erroneous | don't remember the name though |
| 17:40.29 | Erroneous | and I might be logged in (feel free to boot me) |
| 17:40.31 | JeffM2501 | I'll try to dupe in 71 first |
| 17:43.15 | JeffM2501 | he says he's happy after the beatings |
| 17:43.40 | brlcad | hehe |
| 17:44.11 | Erroneous | hehe |
| 17:44.11 | brlcad | i noticed how quickly he was silenced |
| 17:44.52 | Erroneous | mm, silence... |
| 17:44.58 | JeffM2501 | he is rather quiet |
| 17:46.03 | JeffM2501 | ahh I'm guessing there is a confilct in the name, I changed the param to maxTime and forgot to change the uses of it, and it didn't give me an unknown name error, but a cast error. |
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| 17:47.03 | plokijuy | -public |
| 17:47.03 | Erroneous | what was it before? might be a type name |
| 17:47.08 | Erroneous | -private |
| 17:47.17 | plokijuy | ? |
| 17:47.20 | Erroneous | ! |
| 17:47.24 | JeffM2501 | it's something to do with time_t |
| 17:47.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/include/bzfsAPI.h: don't use the word "time" for variables, something else somewhere uses it. |
| 17:47.29 | JeffM2501 | I think windows has a time one |
| 17:47.31 | Erroneous | yeah, sounds likely |
| 17:47.37 | Erroneous | yes, it does |
| 17:47.38 | Erroneous | heh |
| 17:47.43 | JeffM2501 | then there we go :) |
| 17:47.48 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx: don't use the word "time" for variables, something else somewhere uses it. |
| 17:47.50 | plokijuy | how do i make my server public |
| 17:48.00 | JeffM2501 | plokijuy, with the command line -public |
| 17:48.04 | JeffM2501 | and a name |
| 17:48.09 | Erroneous | -publicaddr <address>:<port> -public <description> |
| 17:48.25 | plokijuy | were do i find the command line |
| 17:48.36 | Erroneous | on your computer |
| 17:48.37 | JeffM2501 | are you running the server from inside the game? |
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| 17:49.13 | Erroneous | plokijuy: have you read the "how to set up a public server" bzbb post? |
| 17:49.20 | plokijuy | no |
| 17:49.26 | JeffM2501 | you should |
| 17:49.31 | plokijuy | ok |
| 17:49.41 | JeffM2501 | you can not run a public server from the in game server start menu |
| 17:49.44 | Erroneous | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2915 |
| 17:49.48 | donny_baker | and do you know anything about setting up routers? |
| 17:49.49 | JeffM2501 | you have to run one "manualy" from the command line |
| 17:49.55 | JeffM2501 | that post talks about how to run it |
| 17:49.57 | Erroneous | that should answer most of your question |
| 17:50.01 | Erroneous | (s) |
| 17:50.04 | JeffM2501 | and yes, you'll have to set up your router if you have one. |
| 17:57.41 | gsnedders | plokijuy: 'lo |
| 17:57.58 | plokijuy | i |
| 17:58.02 | plokijuy | hi |
| 17:59.12 | plokijuy | i think ill try this tomorrow |
| 17:59.22 | plokijuy | bye |
| 18:00.56 | JeffM2501 | why do I get the idea that he is the same guy as yesterday? |
| 18:01.23 | Erroneous | what guy yesterday? |
| 18:01.27 | donny_baker | i was thinking the same thing.. couldnt remember his name, but it started the same (I think) |
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| 18:01.47 | donny_baker | oh, and the day before.. don't forget that :p |
| 18:01.51 | gsnedders | I highly doubt he'd use any name |
| 18:01.55 | gsnedders | *any other name |
| 18:02.06 | gsnedders | something to do with the web IRC client? |
| 18:02.21 | JeffM2501 | the web client can let you put in a name |
| 18:02.55 | gsnedders | I really doubt he'd use any other nick though |
| 18:03.05 | gsnedders | he uses that one everywhere |
| 18:03.07 | JeffM2501 | if he's a real user |
| 18:03.10 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 18:03.29 | gsnedders | :P |
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| 18:10.41 | LOST-VIPER | viper sniper ibne |
| 18:12.40 | JeffM2501 | I wonder how many plugins are developed on windows, but run under linux. |
| 18:12.46 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/include/bzfsAPI.h: change the API to us a word other then "time" for variables, as windows uses it as a type. |
| 18:12.55 | Erroneous | probably most of them |
| 18:13.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (bzfs.cxx bzfsAPI.cxx bzfsClientMessages.cxx commands.cxx): change the API to us a word other then "time" for variables, as windows uses it as a type. |
| 18:13.13 | JeffM2501 | intersting development cycle then |
| 18:13.20 | JeffM2501 | does that mean most server hosts arn't devs? |
| 18:13.30 | Erroneous | most people don't want to develop on their servers, I think |
| 18:13.36 | Erroneous | they develop on the local machine |
| 18:13.37 | JeffM2501 | or just MAC was correct in his "dev platform of choice" :) |
| 18:13.52 | Erroneous | and most people run windows locally |
| 18:14.06 | JeffM2501 | VC8EE has probably helped with that as well |
| 18:14.13 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 18:14.23 | Erroneous | they should really ship it with the OS though :) |
| 18:14.39 | Erroneous | that and a posix-compliant shell |
| 18:14.41 | JeffM2501 | ubuntu dosn't ship a compiler with there base CD :) |
| 18:15.13 | Erroneous | no, but it's in the set if you get the whole set |
| 18:15.15 | Erroneous | just like apple |
| 18:15.20 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:15.33 | JeffM2501 | it can't be long till MS goes that way, or does a package manger thingy |
| 18:15.59 | JeffM2501 | they are producing more and more free software |
| 18:16.03 | JeffM2501 | thanks to google. |
| 18:16.13 | Erroneous | free as in beer, sadly |
| 18:16.23 | JeffM2501 | to most end users it dosn't matter |
| 18:16.37 | Erroneous | start shipping a dev environment and it will :) |
| 18:16.41 | JeffM2501 | I'm betting it'll be an extension of windows update |
| 18:18.33 | Erroneous | they already have a "package manager"...it's MSI |
| 18:18.45 | JeffM2501 | yeah at the low end |
| 18:18.51 | JeffM2501 | I guess I mean repository |
| 18:19.15 | Erroneous | too many redistribution restrictions for a repository of windows software |
| 18:20.01 | Erroneous | small-scale stuff they do already. wmp extensions, for instance |
| 18:20.52 | L4m3r | well, with any luck that could lead to a more modular Windows, which would be nice |
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| 18:31.37 | brlcad | free beer is sad? :) |
| 18:35.47 | Erroneous | software which is only as free as free beer is sad :) |
| 18:35.52 | Erroneous | free beer is good though |
| 18:36.08 | donny_baker | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=9947 asking to help with polish localization |
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| 18:47.33 | WarPig | hi |
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| 19:23.11 | gsnedders | WarPig: hi |
| 19:34.49 | JeffM2501 | yay for uber fast DMV trips |
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| 20:38.47 | gsnedders | *über |
| 20:39.08 | gsnedders | (really slow correction, I know) |
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| 22:33.16 | trepan | heh, new 7900 card does relief mapped bz at 100+ fps |
| 22:34.54 | blast007 | :) |
| 22:35.14 | blast007 | which 7900? I have the GTO one |
| 22:36.15 | trepan | just a 7900gs 256mb, free upgrade from a 6800gt |
| 22:36.31 | blast007 | ah |
| 22:48.08 | [NP]Tangent | alright, here's a question |
| 22:48.46 | [NP]Tangent | I've got a map generator written in php. Now, I've got it set up so the PHP script returns the name of the file it outputs... |
| 22:49.03 | [NP]Tangent | now, can I put -world "`php5 -f mapgen.php`" in my conf? |
| 22:49.09 | [NP]Tangent | or does it need to be in the command line? |
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| 22:59.42 | [NP]Tangent | well, we'll find out |
| 22:59.49 | [NP]Tangent | or I'll work around the uncertainty |
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