| 00:00.32 | fiberchunks | gentoo was nice while I was using it -- but this machine is my father's, so I want to make sure it's as 'painless' as it can be |
| 00:01.11 | Kim^J | fiberchunks: Install the program he needs and install SSH-server and make shure the router is correct and then install what he needs more remotely. |
| 00:01.48 | fiberchunks | painless meaning for both _myself_ and my father :) |
| 00:02.01 | Kim^J | Oh... |
| 00:02.12 | Kim^J | Install Mac OS X. :) |
| 00:02.17 | Kim^J | Buy him a Mac. :D |
| 00:02.18 | fiberchunks | indeed :) |
| 00:02.43 | Kim^J | I was about to recommend Windows... But then I changed it to OS X. |
| 00:02.51 | fiberchunks | haha - no thanks |
| 00:03.09 | Kim^J | Even more problem with Windows than with Slack. :D |
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| 00:06.37 | fiberchunks | I have a laptop with a dead cdrom, no boot from usb, and net installed it last night on it (PIII 650) works nice for my needs on that machine -- finding the net install docs was interesting though |
| 00:06.50 | Kim^J | spldart: It's like all the others. Stay to the packages and you "should" be fine. Compiling one thing yourself and you might aswell reinstall. |
| 00:07.00 | spldart | lmao |
| 00:07.26 | spldart | I don't consider ubuntu for build machines.. more of a possible general family use potential |
| 00:07.59 | fiberchunks | I've another broken cd-rom laptop that will hopefully take ubuntu on it (I don't know why I have such bad luck with laptop cd-rom drives) |
| 00:08.45 | spldart | Heh.. I've lost two dvd drives in the last week |
| 00:09.44 | fiberchunks | nice can antennas, btw spldart :) |
| 00:10.10 | spldart | LOL! How did you find the image? |
| 00:10.25 | fiberchunks | I think AWOS on ##essy told me about them |
| 00:10.33 | spldart | ah |
| 00:10.46 | spldart | It's in service @ this time ;-) |
| 00:10.47 | fiberchunks | how long they take you to make? |
| 00:10.56 | fiberchunks | and what's their range approx? |
| 00:10.59 | spldart | Not long at all.... and cheap |
| 00:11.13 | spldart | range...1 block easy.. more on strong signals |
| 00:11.19 | fiberchunks | heh, sweet |
| 00:11.38 | spldart | I can get 8 substantials diff signals from my bedroom |
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| 01:24.48 | bz63 | how do i jump? |
| 01:25.09 | brad | press tab |
| 01:25.14 | bz63 | thnx |
| 01:25.34 | bz63 | i just sstarted playing (just dled) |
| 01:25.54 | bz63 | well im gonna start playing again thanx for help |
| 01:42.49 | spldart | Is it practical to have to seperate inet connections... say I had two cable modems or a cable and a dsl or whateva.. In debian could I configure say my bzflag servers to operate off one inet connection and say apache off another? |
| 01:44.26 | spldart | Yes assuming two seperate nic's |
| 01:44.28 | fiberchunks | I think you can also combine them spldart (bonding?) |
| 01:44.38 | spldart | OH? |
| 01:44.52 | fiberchunks | I think i remember reading something about that a while ago |
| 01:45.25 | blast007 | probably "bridging" |
| 01:45.49 | blast007 | not really worth the effort/hassle |
| 01:46.40 | blast007 | spldart: and if you were doing two internet connections, you'd probably just make two seperate networks |
| 01:49.51 | spldart | I was thinking of how to increase my bandwidth over the best possible available option in my neighborhood.. But I don't need two networks and would prefer not to run two servers |
| 01:51.05 | fiberchunks | do some traffic shaping of your link perhaps? |
| 01:51.55 | fiberchunks | although, it won't really help I would think, since you're not a provider , but I'm not really sure (haven't gotten that in depth into things of such nature) |
| 01:57.19 | spldart | Well... I generally get 4 to 5 mbps down and 500+ up... but I could support more players on a server is I had 1k up instead.... |
| 01:57.53 | spldart | 500kbps 1k kbps |
| 01:57.53 | spldart | meh.. prolly a pipe dream |
| 01:57.53 | blast007 | spldart: how much extra is that going to cost you though? ;) |
| 01:58.01 | blast007 | might as well get a VPS or a dedicated server |
| 01:58.06 | fiberchunks | another 40 a month :) |
| 01:58.22 | blast007 | I only pay $74/month for a 10mbit dedicated |
| 01:58.25 | spldart | I can't get a faster connection unless server is elsewhere |
| 01:58.31 | fiberchunks | oo, from who? |
| 01:58.34 | blast007 | xlhost |
| 01:59.06 | blast007 | not a bad system, and I'm not even touching the CPU yet with just bzfs |
| 02:02.21 | spldart | 10mbit bandwidth? guaranteed? |
| 02:04.46 | spldart | uh... bonding may not be an option for my appy |
| 02:04.50 | spldart | poo |
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| 04:25.19 | bz63 | i cant get registered, any hints? |
| 04:27.25 | blast007 | first hint: stick around a while, oh, guess that one's too late |
| 04:28.10 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 04:28.25 | inchworm | eh |
| 04:28.43 | inchworm | it a busy world out there, no time to spend gabbing when there is playing to be done? |
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| 05:52.37 | eTangenT | alright, situation... |
| 05:52.46 | eTangenT | so I'm making this map that's entirely above water |
| 05:52.58 | eTangenT | I don't want jumping, but in order to use flags, I must use it |
| 05:53.14 | eTangenT | now, I could set _jumpVelocity to 0, but then I still get the jumping sound, and that's no good either. |
| 05:54.15 | eTangenT | is there any way short of modifying bzfs that I can get flags to spawn on the bridges and still have no jumping? |
| 06:19.20 | blast007 | probably not |
| 06:19.48 | blast007 | so without jumping, -fb is ignored? |
| 06:31.57 | eTangenT | not only that, it refuses to start bzfs |
| 06:32.13 | eTangenT | anyways, I just enabled jumping and set jump velocity to 0 |
| 06:32.17 | eTangenT | it works for now |
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| 18:03.09 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: ping |
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| 18:03.52 | JeffM2501 | sup? |
| 18:04.06 | TheRedBaron | pm? |
| 18:04.15 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 18:04.21 | JeffM2501 | AM! |
| 18:04.23 | JeffM2501 | it's AM |
| 18:04.25 | JeffM2501 | it better be AM |
| 18:04.27 | TheRedBaron | not here |
| 18:04.29 | JeffM2501 | I just got to work |
| 18:04.34 | JeffM2501 | I don't want to be late |
| 18:04.41 | TheRedBaron | it better not be AM, it means i'm on an early lunch break |
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| 20:38.18 | djt22 | i was wondering if someone could help me out with a problem |
| 20:38.53 | JeffM2501 | probably depends on the problem |
| 20:38.56 | JeffM2501 | but go for it |
| 20:39.26 | djt22 | everytime i try to join a server even if my machine is the server it tells me the world maps cache has dissappeared |
| 20:39.32 | djt22 | any ideas? |
| 20:40.00 | JeffM2501 | what OS you on? |
| 20:40.05 | djt22 | i am new to this whole thing so any advice would help |
| 20:40.07 | djt22 | xp pro |
| 20:40.22 | JeffM2501 | is your profile and "my documents" dir on a network drive? |
| 20:40.29 | djt22 | yes |
| 20:40.32 | JeffM2501 | that's the problem |
| 20:40.50 | JeffM2501 | there is a command line option in the very latest versions that will let you define a local path for the config dir |
| 20:41.11 | JeffM2501 | bzflag dosn't like to use network paths, and it uses your my docs dir for that cache |
| 20:41.30 | djt22 | how do i do this in the command line |
| 20:41.37 | JeffM2501 | you can add it to the shortcut |
| 20:41.44 | JeffM2501 | one sec, let me find the switch |
| 20:41.50 | JeffM2501 | what version of bzflag do you have? |
| 20:41.59 | djt22 | 2.0.8 |
| 20:42.12 | JeffM2501 | you'll need a 2.0.9 |
| 20:42.22 | JeffM2501 | http://beta.bzflag.bz/builds/2.0.x/ |
| 20:42.27 | JeffM2501 | get the last one in there |
| 20:43.00 | JeffM2501 | then add -configdir "some/local/path/on/your/machine" |
| 20:44.02 | donny_baker | djt22: welcome to bzflag, enjoy |
| 20:44.07 | djt22 | in the target field? |
| 20:44.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:45.02 | JeffM2501 | after the .exe" part |
| 20:45.20 | donny_baker | like this "C:\Program Files\BZFlag2.0.9s8\bzflag.exe" -configdir "some/local/path/on/your/machine" |
| 20:45.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:45.38 | donny_baker | the quotes are important |
| 20:45.46 | JeffM2501 | yes they are |
| 20:45.49 | JeffM2501 | they totaly are |
| 20:45.58 | JeffM2501 | if that path has spaces, it NEEDS the quotes |
| 20:47.20 | djt22 | thank you gentleman i appreciate it now i have to start playing |
| 20:47.31 | djt22 | your help is much appreciated |
| 20:47.34 | JeffM2501 | have fun |
| 20:47.39 | djt22 | definately |
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| 21:22.18 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/include/bzfsAPI.h: |
| 21:22.18 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Unify all the player state data in the API to use one common state record. |
| 21:22.18 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Add functions to get the current interpolated state of the player to the API. |
| 21:22.18 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Add current and last known states to the API player record. |
| 21:22.36 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (4 files): |
| 21:22.36 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Unify all the player state data in the API to use one common state record. |
| 21:22.36 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Add functions to get the current interpolated state of the player to the API. |
| 21:22.36 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Add current and last known states to the API player record. |
| 21:23.49 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/include/common.h: floats are not doubles. |
| 21:29.34 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/include/bzfsAPI.h: |
| 21:29.35 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: pass the timestamp from the client on each PlayerUpdate. |
| 21:29.35 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: use the update state, not the last state on a PlayerUpdate. |
| 21:29.46 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsClientMessages.cxx: |
| 21:29.46 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: pass the timestamp from the client on each PlayerUpdate. |
| 21:29.46 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: use the update state, not the last state on a PlayerUpdate. |
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| 21:39.20 | CBG | ~defend CIA |
| 21:39.21 | ibot | ACTION jumps in front of CIA, taking all insults, violence and anything else negative thrown toward CIA so that CIA may live on in peace and quiet |
| 21:39.39 | JeffM2501 | just wonder why it geeked in the middle of updates. |
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| 21:47.09 | bz71 | hello i have a question pretaining to installing the game, i have downloaded the bzflag-2.0.8.tar and have extracted it into a folder, i have CentOS, a distro of Red Hat enterprise, what command do i input into the ternimal to install the game? |
| 21:47.45 | JeffM2501 | that's not our official installer |
| 21:47.51 | JeffM2501 | it should have it's own instructions |
| 21:48.03 | bz71 | what do you mean by "it" |
| 21:48.04 | JeffM2501 | did you come here before asking the same question? |
| 21:48.05 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/serverSideBotSample/serverSideBotSample.cpp: update plugins with new player state data. |
| 21:48.05 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/ (3 files in 3 dirs): update plugins with new player state data. |
| 21:48.11 | JeffM2501 | that installer. |
| 21:48.19 | JeffM2501 | oh no, I'm confused |
| 21:48.20 | JeffM2501 | sorry |
| 21:48.24 | JeffM2501 | that's the source |
| 21:48.29 | JeffM2501 | that's not an installer |
| 21:48.37 | bz71 | yes i have, you told me a command ./confige && ..... i just dont remember the entire command |
| 21:48.38 | JeffM2501 | you would have to build it again |
| 21:48.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah read the readme.linux |
| 21:48.47 | JeffM2501 | it tells you how to compile |
| 21:49.03 | JeffM2501 | basicly you do ./autogen.sh |
| 21:49.06 | JeffM2501 | then configure |
| 21:49.09 | JeffM2501 | then make |
| 21:49.13 | JeffM2501 | then as root, make install |
| 21:50.11 | JeffM2501 | but you will probably need some other packages. |
| 21:50.41 | JeffM2501 | sdl, libcurl, curses, etc.. |
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| 22:32.17 | Thumper_ | ~ts++ |
| 22:32.59 | JeffM2501 | aww I missed one, sorry :( |
| 22:33.39 | ts | Some stuff needs to be changed, too...I think I can do tomorrow |
| 22:33.52 | JeffM2501 | I realy should add the rest of the plugins to the windows build system |
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| 22:37.25 | Thumper_ | I want to add a class that can parse INI type configuration files ([section] key=value...) data so it's easily available to plugins |
| 22:37.33 | Thumper_ | Where's a good place to put that after it's created? |
| 22:37.50 | JeffM2501 | in a new static lib we provide in the plugins dir, that is plugin utils |
| 22:38.06 | JeffM2501 | there are a bunch of nice things we should put in there |
| 22:38.10 | L4m3r | I've got most of a command-line style file parser |
| 22:38.15 | JeffM2501 | parsers, textiils, etc... |
| 22:38.33 | JeffM2501 | I'd not build them into bzfs, as there may be export issues to DLLs |
| 22:38.58 | Thumper_ | yeah and bzfs will probably never use it |
| 22:39.09 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 22:39.20 | ts | INI? Hmm, never heard of that :/ |
| 22:39.21 | Thumper_ | but it's useful for plugins to be able to easily get configuration stuff w/o writing it every time |
| 22:39.31 | L4m3r | I just copy and paste when I do a plugin that reads a conf |
| 22:39.43 | L4m3r | then I just write in the handlers for the arguments |
| 22:40.04 | Thumper_ | ts: something like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INI_file |
| 22:40.31 | Thumper_ | L4m3r: yeah but duplicated code is icky |
| 22:41.28 | ts | Thumper_: Ah, my system uses XML + DTDs |
| 22:41.37 | Thumper_ | I'd prefer something like: cfg = Config('somefile'); value = cfg.item(section,key) |
| 22:41.40 | L4m3r | yeah, but it'd be east to just make it into a header file |
| 22:42.32 | Thumper_ | ts: ok - don't really need XML for this :) and nagware is already mostly in this format so I just wanted to generalize it |
| 22:43.15 | Thumper_ | ok gotta go find dinner ... later |
| 22:43.20 | ts | cu |
| 22:44.56 | JeffM2501 | I can start the lib for you if you want, I don't know how to do the makefile for it tho |
| 22:45.21 | L4m3r | maybe windows ini-style would not be the best thing... :P |
| 22:46.03 | L4m3r | I used the command-line format because server ops would most likely be familiar with it from running bzfs :P |
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| 23:29.02 | menotume | is this the CHAT room ? |
| 23:31.05 | menotume | ASL ? |
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| 23:39.14 | CBG | menotume's lost it. It's official. |
| 23:40.18 | menotume | yay, it's official |
| 23:40.35 | L4m3r | BANANA BANANA BANANA TERRA COTTA BANANA TERRA COTTA TERRA COTTA PIE |
| 23:41.02 | menotume | hmmm :) |
| 23:41.19 | L4m3r | ...karma to anyone who knows where that's from :P |
| 23:41.20 | menotume | is that a challenge ? |
| 23:42.12 | menotume | "Vicinity of Obscenity", from Hypnotize |
| 23:42.12 | L4m3r | heh |
| 23:42.12 | L4m3r | ~menotume++ |
| 23:42.12 | menotume | ~google++ |
| 23:42.15 | L4m3r | did you google it or do you listen to SOAD? |
| 23:42.17 | L4m3r | aha :P |
| 23:42.18 | menotume | hehe |
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| 23:49.28 | iwcylabumf | hi |
| 23:53.55 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 23:54.41 | eTangenT | L4m3r: you listen to SOAD? |
| 23:54.49 | L4m3r | yes |
| 23:57.20 | eTangenT | well, you have some taste then |
| 23:57.25 | eTangenT | I don't listen to them much anymore |
| 23:57.33 | eTangenT | but it's still wildly entertaining to listen to |
| 23:57.55 | eTangenT | WHAT A SPLENDID PIE, THE PIZZA PIZZA PIE |
| 23:59.09 | L4m3r | hahaha |
| 23:59.28 | L4m3r | I just wish I had had a chance to see a show before they went on "hiatus" |