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| 00:46.24 | All13d | hey guys |
| 00:46.28 | All13d | any mods on planet mofo here |
| 00:46.35 | All13d | found a cheater using the Bdotson 2.0.4 client with colorflags |
| 00:46.38 | All13d | build date matches |
| 00:46.41 | All13d | name "angina" |
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| 00:50.35 | All13d | hey guys |
| 00:50.37 | All13d | anyone at all here |
| 00:50.40 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 00:50.47 | JeffM2501 | you should try ##planetmofo |
| 00:50.52 | All13d | ooh |
| 00:50.53 | All13d | no hyphen |
| 00:51.02 | All13d | stupid cheaters |
| 00:51.02 | JeffM2501 | I don't think it has one |
| 00:51.06 | All13d | dont even bother to mask the build date |
| 00:51.49 | All13d | thanks |
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| 01:09.17 | Gnurdux | All13d: dont assume that everyone with a wierd build date is somehow a cheater? |
| 01:09.39 | Gnurdux | some people compile their own bz, or their linux distributions compile one on a different date |
| 01:09.46 | Gnurdux | debian compiles theres like 2 months later |
| 01:09.49 | All13d | its not weird |
| 01:09.55 | All13d | its bdotson |
| 01:09.57 | All13d | 20050930 |
| 01:10.03 | All13d | check it if you dont believe me |
| 01:10.14 | Gnurdux | but what about it? |
| 01:10.20 | All13d | bdotson build? |
| 01:10.24 | All13d | stealth reveal/colorflags |
| 01:10.28 | Gnurdux | oh never heard of that |
| 01:10.29 | Gnurdux | ah |
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| 01:41.20 | puffman88 | hi |
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| 02:03.10 | SilverFox | arg!!!! |
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| 02:04.56 | randomparticle | i was thinking about get3DNormal() in BaseBuilding.cxx again today |
| 02:05.50 | JeffM2501 | run out of coffie again? |
| 02:05.54 | randomparticle | heh |
| 02:06.06 | randomparticle | i think it's not just Epsilon that is the problem |
| 02:06.17 | randomparticle | it's also the way the Z-axis stuff is just tacked on |
| 02:06.19 | SilverFox | I can't seem to get my bzflag.exe client to stop flickering. |
| 02:06.37 | randomparticle | the Z axis is not special, but it gets a special test |
| 02:07.31 | randomparticle | if the function had been written so that there was a test to see which face the point of reflection was closest to, the bug wouldn't have occurred, never mind what value Epsilon has |
| 02:08.01 | blast007 | SilverFox: what video card? |
| 02:08.07 | SilverFox | When it starts, it detects GEForce 5200 |
| 02:08.07 | JeffM2501 | randomparticle, so change it |
| 02:08.25 | SilverFox | GeForce FX 5200 actually. |
| 02:08.30 | blast007 | k |
| 02:08.33 | randomparticle | i was hoping to discuss it first :) |
| 02:08.47 | blast007 | card should be fine, I have one of those in my older desktop |
| 02:08.49 | randomparticle | just wanted confirmation that i'm thinking along the right lniesw |
| 02:08.52 | randomparticle | *lines |
| 02:08.54 | blast007 | tried the latest drivers? |
| 02:09.04 | SilverFox | it has been fine before I recently reinstalled windoze. |
| 02:09.14 | SilverFox | yeah, I've always used the Omega drivers. |
| 02:09.28 | JeffM2501 | omega? |
| 02:09.34 | SilverFox | which usually outperform NVidia/ATI's considerably. |
| 02:09.43 | SilverFox | http://www.omegadrivers.net/ |
| 02:09.44 | JeffM2501 | where do you get those? |
| 02:09.58 | SilverFox | I guess I can try the "official" ones. |
| 02:10.11 | randomparticle | another thing: get3DNormal is given this point of reflection. presumably some code executed before has already determined which face the shot bounces off. sounds reasonable? |
| 02:10.15 | SilverFox | I've been using omega successfuly for a long time th9ough. |
| 02:10.54 | randomparticle | otherwise, how was the point of reflection calculated? |
| 02:11.08 | JeffM2501 | randomparticle, you'd have to talk to treapan about that, that's all his stuff. |
| 02:11.13 | a_meteorite | SilverFox: oi, I hate that |
| 02:11.24 | randomparticle | ok, thanks |
| 02:11.30 | a_meteorite | especially when I wake up in the morning for ROP Business Applications class at school |
| 02:11.31 | JeffM2501 | he dosn't work on the project anymore |
| 02:11.39 | JeffM2501 | so just research it and test your fix. |
| 02:11.47 | a_meteorite | though I managed to get 85 WPM on the typing test this morning... it was warm though... |
| 02:12.01 | randomparticle | i'm wary of making changes. i don't know why half that stuff is in there |
| 02:12.11 | JeffM2501 | that is why you research it |
| 02:12.23 | JeffM2501 | you have history, and the code |
| 02:12.42 | JeffM2501 | if you don't understand what your changing then you don't understand the problem :) |
| 02:15.01 | SilverFox | says the monk on the mountain known only as JeffM2501. |
| 02:15.20 | SilverFox | crud. Forgot to uninstall the old drivers first... |
| 02:15.32 | SilverFox | hehe. |
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| 02:25.31 | randomparticle | ok.. i follow the tortuous path through a trillion files and eventually here i am in Intersect.cxx. |
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| 02:27.46 | randomparticle | keep getting disconnected.. sorry |
| 02:27.48 | randomparticle | sure enough, we have a function 'timeRayHitsOrigBox(...)' that is called |
| 02:27.51 | randomparticle | and in that: |
| 02:28.03 | randomparticle | "// get ceiling hit" |
| 02:28.31 | randomparticle | so the test is already there. it just happens to be performed in a different and bad way later in get3DNormal.cxx |
| 02:28.46 | randomparticle | *get3DNormal() |
| 02:28.58 | randomparticle | man... trying to type this fast before i get disconnected yet again :) |
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| 02:35.21 | inchworm | randomparticle: does essy still give you a happy birthday on every join? |
| 02:35.31 | randomparticle | alas :) |
| 02:35.52 | inchworm | happy birthday randomparticle :) |
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| 02:45.49 | biggeruniverse | mmhmm |
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| 03:59.21 | SilverFox | yay! flickering gone. |
| 03:59.36 | SilverFox | well, no more omega. Nvidia is getting 80 fps. That's good enough, spose. |
| 04:01.08 | blast007 | SilverFox: yeah, I limit my new nVidia card down to 160FPS most of the time |
| 04:01.17 | blast007 | otherwise gameplay gets odd |
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| 08:43.46 | randomparticle | am wondering what i have to do to get a version of bzflag compiled on OS X without SDL |
| 08:43.55 | randomparticle | one that works, that is |
| 08:44.11 | randomparticle | first it fails during compilation because it can't find glx.h |
| 08:44.58 | randomparticle | so i had --x-includes=/usr/X11R6/include/GL |
| 08:45.27 | randomparticle | then it fails again because it can't find a header that is in the OpenGL framework |
| 08:45.46 | randomparticle | so i add -framework OpenGL to the make file in src/bzflag |
| 08:46.07 | randomparticle | finally, it finished compiling. then when i run it, i get: ERROR: Unable to initialize an OpenGL context |
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| 11:30.23 | Manu | brlcad: (what a fun) http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=24019 |
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| 12:19.22 | brlcad | Manu: cool, maybe I'll get drafted for a visit ;) |
| 12:24.21 | quantumdot | manu, is that news real? |
| 12:33.43 | Manu | dunno, I don't live in USA |
| 12:33.50 | Manu | so I don't pay for it ;) |
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| 13:58.46 | menotume | hehe |
| 13:59.07 | A-Delusion | So I'm revisiting trepans' drawinfo map.. the one with the moving objects... |
| 13:59.28 | Pommes | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:59.37 | Pommes | hrm |
| 13:59.38 | A-Delusion | was wondering ... the tristrips have nothing to do with the movement T/F |
| 13:59.44 | menotume | got me |
| 13:59.49 | menotume | is all greek to me |
| 14:00.55 | A-Delusion | freaks me out that he uses a sphere in a group, right BEFORE he difines the sphere. |
| 14:02.07 | A-Delusion | I'd be happy if i could find a way to generate tristrip information, along with the corners. |
| 14:02.27 | A-Delusion | hard to find any info at all on the corner info in that map. |
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| 14:03.28 | Steve14 | hi |
| 14:03.49 | A-Delusion | the ehing that would probably help the most is an explanation of exactly what LOD is, and how to use it. |
| 14:04.26 | Steve14 | have problems with compiling BZFlag-2.0.8.20070213 :( |
| 14:04.28 | A-Delusion | actually, i don't care WHAT it is, I just want to know how to use it. |
| 14:04.40 | Steve14 | on suse 10.0 |
| 14:04.57 | Steve14 | /usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.0.2/../../../../i586-suse-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lslang |
| 14:04.57 | Steve14 | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 14:06.25 | Steve14 | ohh |
| 14:06.57 | Steve14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:07.24 | Steve14 | in /usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.0.2/ |
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| 14:10.32 | Steve14 | any ideas ? |
| 14:21.03 | A-Delusion | lots of ideas, few paths to realization. |
| 14:21.27 | Steve14 | A-Delusion: tell me |
| 14:23.41 | A-Delusion | google is always your freind http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?threadid=148394 |
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| 14:25.32 | A-Delusion | looks to me like your lslang symlinks are misleading your compiler. find lslang, then make new symlinks to the correct location. |
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| 14:26.48 | Steve14 | A-Delusion: thx, for help :) |
| 14:27.03 | Steve14 | installing slang-devel helped already |
| 14:31.24 | Steve14 | works :D |
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| 14:54.29 | Birdie | master baron |
| 14:54.52 | TheRedBaron | Birdie buddy |
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| 15:38.40 | bz60 | ok, now what?? |
| 15:39.12 | donny_baker | 'now what' what? |
| 15:39.36 | bz60 | sorry, I'm a noob. |
| 15:39.50 | donny_baker | thats ok we all were at one point |
| 15:39.57 | bz60 | can you run bzflag on a home network and just play local? |
| 15:40.10 | TheRedBaron | yes |
| 15:40.29 | bz60 | played it for the 1st time last night and its a blast. as you know.. |
| 15:41.25 | bz60 | I have three PC's running XP and all can play online but what the easiest way to just play local at home? |
| 15:41.58 | TheRedBaron | bz60: what operating system are you on? |
| 15:42.11 | bz60 | Windows XP on all 3 PC's |
| 15:42.15 | TheRedBaron | nvm, just answered my question |
| 15:42.23 | TheRedBaron | *you |
| 15:42.52 | donny_baker | easiest way is to use the start server option in the client join menu |
| 15:42.59 | TheRedBaron | bz60: do you have a specific map in mind you want to play? |
| 15:43.09 | donny_baker | but its not very flexible that way |
| 15:43.55 | bz60 | I'm too new to know the maps. Just thought there would be an easy way to start a server on the lan and have my two son's join in. |
| 15:44.36 | bz60 | It may be easier if we all just join the same server established by someone else. |
| 15:44.38 | TheRedBaron | bz60: then what donny_baker said is the easiest |
| 15:45.12 | donny_baker | you only need to know the ip of the "server"... and put that in the server entry on the other machines |
| 15:45.14 | TheRedBaron | start up bz, and there is a "start server option" |
| 15:45.34 | TheRedBaron | or 'localhost' |
| 15:45.39 | donny_baker | the port number is 5154 for a server started that way |
| 15:45.48 | bz60 | I'm taking notes.... |
| 15:46.07 | donny_baker | 'localhost' will only work on the machine where the server is started |
| 15:47.03 | donny_baker | and when you feel like hosting a specific map you can use this link http://bzflag.org/wiki/CreatingAServer |
| 15:47.32 | donny_baker | you can skip the part about getting it on the public list if you want to keep it private |
| 15:47.58 | bz60 | Thank you all very much. I'll try this tonight. |
| 15:48.30 | donny_baker | np if you have any problems there is always someone here |
| 15:48.49 | bz60 | thanks again! |
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| 16:28.03 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || Paste to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9453 || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 |
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| 18:19.36 | randomparticle | hi. how do i compile a non-SDL version of bzflag under OS X please? |
| 18:19.55 | randomparticle | i've tried --without-SDL, but i get compilation errors |
| 18:20.26 | Blue89 | my distro's bzflag package contains only "bzfrelay" and "bzfs" that mean the client is missing, right? |
| 18:20.39 | blast007 | Blue89: what distro? |
| 18:20.40 | JeffM2501 | what is the package name? |
| 18:20.50 | Blue89 | I am on openzaurus |
| 18:20.53 | JeffM2501 | cus that sounds REALY old if it has relay :) |
| 18:20.53 | blast007 | isn't bzfrelay from the 1.7 days? |
| 18:20.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:21.12 | Erroneous | sounds kinda like the old bzflag-server package |
| 18:21.13 | JeffM2501 | if it's debian based there are 2 packages, one for the server and one for the client |
| 18:21.16 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:21.38 | Blue89 | thats the 'bzflag' package, oddly the same stuff in the 'bzflag-server' package |
| 18:22.02 | JeffM2501 | is it version 1.7gSOMETHING? |
| 18:22.43 | Chestal | openzaurus? ehm |
| 18:22.59 | JeffM2501 | those little handhelds? |
| 18:23.08 | Blue89 | yes |
| 18:23.15 | Chestal | is there any chance of running an OpenGL app on it at reasonable speed? |
| 18:23.16 | JeffM2501 | heh, scanline used to do those |
| 18:23.30 | Blue89 | I dont know how fast it will run on this, but I want to try it |
| 18:23.31 | Erroneous | no :) |
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| 18:23.35 | JeffM2501 | I'm guessing the packages for that are old and screwed, we don't suport them |
| 18:23.42 | JeffM2501 | best to build from source if you want to try. |
| 18:25.02 | Blue89 | is it normal that bzfs segfaults every time I run it? something I am causing? |
| 18:25.20 | JeffM2501 | we did not design it to die when you run it |
| 18:25.28 | blast007 | hehe |
| 18:25.29 | JeffM2501 | that would not be a good feature :) |
| 18:25.33 | Blue89 | thats what I thought |
| 18:25.43 | JeffM2501 | your probably missing a lib or something |
| 18:25.45 | Blue89 | it never did that on any other platform |
| 18:25.57 | JeffM2501 | that's why I'd build it from soruce to make sure it links with what you got |
| 18:26.06 | Blue89 | I thought maybe there is a reason for ti though |
| 18:26.16 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure there is a reason for it |
| 18:27.47 | Blue89 | I am having this problem with another app to though, I dont know if the distro is to blame |
| 18:28.01 | Blue89 | (dgen) |
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| 18:28.34 | JeffM2501 | IIRC those little things were very twitchy |
| 18:29.12 | Blue89 | its not quite the same as a desktop, thats for sure |
| 18:30.28 | JeffM2501 | but 1.7 (if that is what you are using) is very old |
| 18:30.28 | JeffM2501 | not sure there are even any servers for it |
| 18:30.30 | Blue89 | haha |
| 18:30.34 | Blue89 | hi |
| 18:31.13 | Blue89 | oops, wrong window |
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| 18:38.13 | blast007 | ~bzflist17 |
| 18:38.17 | blast007 | just one ;) |
| 18:38.30 | JeffM2501 | is that even a real server? or just an entry in the list? |
| 18:38.36 | blast007 | it's real |
| 18:38.42 | blast007 | running hix last I checked |
| 18:38.45 | JeffM2501 | where is it runing? |
| 18:38.47 | JeffM2501 | tim's house? |
| 18:38.55 | blast007 | no idea |
| 18:42.15 | blast007 | seems that it is |
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| 18:50.11 | JeffM2501 | I MUST have been off my rocker when I wrote this crap :( |
| 18:51.13 | brlcad | heh |
| 18:52.40 | JeffM2501 | you shoudn't laugh, it's techincaly code I made for you :) |
| 19:01.23 | ts | blast007: Do you what triggers the 1.10 list? |
| 19:01.51 | JeffM2501 | ~bzflist110 |
| 19:02.06 | JeffM2501 | or it may be the proto version |
| 19:02.24 | ts | I already tried 110 ;) |
| 19:02.31 | JeffM2501 | 1.10 used the new list server |
| 19:02.56 | ts | yeah |
| 19:03.37 | ts | I'm curious about how many 1.10 servers are online |
| 19:03.43 | blast007 | 2 |
| 19:03.53 | blast007 | http://my.bzflag.org/db/?action=LIST&version=BZFS1910 |
| 19:04.15 | ts | Wow, much |
| 19:04.35 | ts | Seems like all either upgraded or quit |
| 19:05.05 | ts | Last time I checked there were pages of available servers |
| 19:05.14 | JeffM2501 | pages of 1.10s? |
| 19:05.19 | JeffM2501 | I only ever remember 2-4 |
| 19:07.38 | [dmp] | [3~ |
| 19:09.15 | ts | JeffM2501: 2-4 is what a lot of people usually only play on :) |
| 19:09.38 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 19:09.59 | JeffM2501 | IIRC it was mostly the wings haters and the spawn haters |
| 19:10.13 | ts | there was this skymoco thing, knjiga (or something like that) and a lot more when I checked |
| 19:10.48 | ts | I'm still hating WG |
| 19:11.10 | blast007 | people complain about WG on my server, so I must have it set up right ;) |
| 19:11.31 | ts | Luckily on the most servers I play on there is not much WG anymore except viper (wanna change that Manu? ;) ) |
| 19:12.22 | ts | blast007: Why do they complain? |
| 19:12.42 | donny_baker | not enough flaps :D |
| 19:12.59 | ts | Can also be too much flaps |
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| 19:14.21 | blast007 | ts: slide time, limited jumps, lower gravity, lower jump velocity |
| 19:17.01 | A-Delusion | big slide time is the one they really hate. |
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| 19:39.19 | randomparticle | just noticed in cvs head that shots don't appear on recording replays |
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| 19:54.54 | Manu | ts: you know WG is not a problem |
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| 20:04.45 | ts | Manu: I never said it would be a problem, just that I don't like it ;) |
| 20:05.54 | Manu | then don't pick up it ;) |
| 20:06.20 | ts | I need /flag take for the opponents >:) |
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| 20:23.53 | L4m3r | ~bz2_0cvs |
| 20:23.58 | L4m3r | ~bz20cvs |
| 20:23.59 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
| 20:28.04 | L4m3r | erm, has BZFScron been dropped from 2.0 CVS? |
| 20:31.46 | Thumper_ | L4m3r: it was never in CVS |
| 20:31.48 | Thumper_ | in 2.0 |
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| 20:32.05 | Thumper_ | it got added to HEAD recently |
| 20:32.22 | Thumper_ | IIRC |
| 20:33.33 | L4m3r | oh |
| 20:45.42 | TheRedBaron | holy ... look at it storm |
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| 22:08.34 | TheRedBaron | ~seen randomparticle |
| 22:09.00 | ibot | randomparticle <n=randompa@about/essy/snick/randomparticle> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 2h 29m 41s ago, saying: 'just noticed in cvs head that shots don't appear on recording replays'. |
| 22:13.51 | fiberchunks | any of you linux wizards know if there's a way to load modules at the boot: prompt ? |
| 22:18.21 | L4m3r | as in, from a live CD to install? |
| 22:20.09 | L4m3r | most installers will let you load modules during the installation process... otherwise, the only way I know of is using /etc/modules |
| 22:22.23 | fiberchunks | L4m3r, yeah, during the install process (or rather, before it starts) -- there is either a missing pata_marvell, or pata_jmicron driver I'm missing for my newer box, and thus the installer doesn't due to my cdrom drive not being recognized. |
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| 22:26.26 | logixoul | hi |
| 22:26.34 | logixoul | what hardware do i need for --view stereo? |
| 22:27.07 | logixoul | because i get "Can't create window. Exiting." when trying to use it |
| 22:27.22 | JeffM2501 | an open GL card that can do a sterio buffer |
| 22:27.32 | JeffM2501 | usualy shutter glasses or an HMD |
| 22:27.47 | JeffM2501 | most often on an SGI type machine |
| 22:27.58 | JeffM2501 | haven't seen it on any consumer PC hardware. |
| 22:28.00 | Tupone | or colored glasses for anagliph, but maybe I'm wrong |
| 22:28.04 | logixoul | what about cross eyed viewing - does that require this kind of stuff? |
| 22:28.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah anaglaph dosn't need special hardware, just sterip |
| 22:28.22 | L4m3r | fiberchunks: nasty. maybe you could try a USB device or something. |
| 22:28.33 | logixoul | Tupone: yep, played with them a few minutes ago but the colors give me a headache :) |
| 22:28.40 | Tupone | :) |
| 22:28.53 | JeffM2501 | we only do split and stacked for sterio IIRC |
| 22:28.58 | JeffM2501 | not the crosseyed stuff |
| 22:29.09 | logixoul | :( |
| 22:29.10 | logixoul | ok, thanks |
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| 22:29.13 | JeffM2501 | it's wicked old code |
| 22:29.13 | fiberchunks | L4m3r, that's an option, but in general I was wondering if you could do this (just be handy to know) |
| 22:29.20 | JeffM2501 | nooe has realy done anythign with it |
| 22:29.35 | L4m3r | it probably depends on the installer... there should be a help menu :\ |
| 22:30.24 | logixoul | now, is there a way to desaturate the picture when using anaglyph? then it's much easier to view. |
| 22:30.44 | logixoul | so the only colors are the cyan and red overlapping parts |
| 22:31.15 | logixoul | how i'll recognize my teammates is another question :) |
| 22:31.16 | JeffM2501 | only by changing your client code |
| 22:31.29 | logixoul | what language is it? |
| 22:31.31 | JeffM2501 | we don't realy have options on that |
| 22:31.32 | JeffM2501 | C++ |
| 22:31.43 | JeffM2501 | be nice if somone went and added more modes and cleaned all that up |
| 22:32.23 | logixoul | indeed, i'll give it a shot these days. |
| 22:32.23 | logixoul | thanks again |
| 22:32.23 | JeffM2501 | have fun |
| 22:32.23 | logixoul | thanks |
| 22:40.52 | Erroneous | stereo mode does theoretically work on consumer PC's, you just need specialized hardware...like these http://www.hi-res800.com/index.html ... and correct drivers |
| 22:41.09 | logixoul | yes, i see |
| 22:45.20 | Erroneous | most workstation cards (including quadro and firegl, and 3dlabs' entire lineup) ship with stereo PFD's enabled in the drivers. still not much good without the headsets though |
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| 22:51.59 | logixoul | http://bzflag.org/doxygen/ says error |
| 22:53.54 | Erroneous | it doesn't exist anymore |
| 22:54.03 | Erroneous | someone(tm) should delink it from the main page |
| 22:54.06 | Erroneous | or put it back |
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| 22:57.08 | logixoul | ok |
| 23:02.00 | logixoul | are patches against the latest release accepted or do i need to get trunk? |
| 23:03.18 | JeffM2501 | we don't plan any more version based off of 2.0.8 |
| 23:03.28 | JeffM2501 | a patch against CVS head would be better |
| 23:03.32 | JeffM2501 | but if it's cool we can work it |
| 23:03.50 | logixoul | k |
| 23:08.03 | logixoul | bzdb is the class where the config is kept, right? |
| 23:08.14 | JeffM2501 | sorta |
| 23:08.18 | JeffM2501 | it's more then that, but yeah |
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| 23:08.22 | JeffM2501 | it has the config stuff |
| 23:08.29 | logixoul | aha |
| 23:08.43 | JeffM2501 | it's also used to send variables from the server to the clients |
| 23:08.51 | bz12 | what happened to the two tanks and missle wars |
| 23:20.26 | logixoul | ok, added the side-by-side stereo mode. now just to polish it... :) |
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| 23:27.10 | bz61 | were does bzflag calculate the client pings? |
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| 23:28.27 | bz61 | were does bzflag calculate the client pings? |
| 23:40.42 | bz61 | how does bzflag calculate pings? |
| 23:41.15 | JeffM2501 | it sends a ping |
| 23:41.17 | JeffM2501 | and times it |
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| 23:44.57 | bz61 | does it run sperate from the rest of the network |
| 23:45.11 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 23:45.15 | JeffM2501 | it's in protocoll |
| 23:45.20 | JeffM2501 | it's not a real ICMP ping |
| 23:45.32 | JeffM2501 | but a ping message we send via our networking system. |
| 23:45.45 | bz61 | hmmm so i assume that the server and client are always receiving? |
| 23:45.54 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 23:45.57 | JeffM2501 | when playing |
| 23:47.29 | bz61 | well thanks |
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| 23:55.33 | logixoul | the -window option doesn't work, it's still fullscreen. any fix? |
| 23:55.51 | logixoul | i'm using kwin and nvidia |
| 23:56.28 | JeffM2501 | you need -window and -geometry 800x600 |
| 23:56.30 | Erroneous | -window should be accompanied by -geometry XxY |
| 23:56.32 | JeffM2501 | or some other size |
| 23:56.36 | logixoul | tried that too |
| 23:56.42 | logixoul | didn't help |
| 23:56.45 | JeffM2501 | what version you using? |
| 23:57.00 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.x or 2.1.x? |
| 23:57.02 | logixoul | 2.0.8 |
| 23:57.17 | logixoul | 2.1.x exists? |
| 23:57.21 | JeffM2501 | did you specify a window size larger or the same size as your display |
| 23:57.26 | JeffM2501 | yeah CVS head is taged 2.1.x |
| 23:57.33 | JeffM2501 | to be released as 2.2 |
| 23:57.44 | logixoul | no, i didn't |
| 23:57.52 | JeffM2501 | shoulda worked then |
| 23:57.58 | logixoul | figured that |
| 23:58.03 | logixoul | hmm... |
| 23:58.19 | JeffM2501 | using a premade binary or build from source? |
| 23:58.26 | logixoul | from source |
| 23:58.33 | JeffM2501 | you have SDL? |
| 23:58.36 | logixoul | yes |
| 23:58.40 | logixoul | ah, i noticed something |
| 23:58.42 | JeffM2501 | totaly standard then |
| 23:58.58 | logixoul | it does start as a small window but immediatly switches to fs |
| 23:59.09 | JeffM2501 | odd |