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| 00:20.34 | spldart | .01% perhaps |
| 00:21.25 | Erroneous | 6? seems a bit low |
| 00:21.35 | spldart | I'm being sarcastic |
| 00:21.40 | spldart | hehe |
| 00:21.48 | Erroneous | heh |
| 00:22.01 | spldart | and perhaps a bit cynical |
| 00:28.54 | JeffM2501 | probably 4 |
| 00:30.04 | TD-Linux | _sixty_thousand_posts_?? |
| 00:30.19 | JeffM2501 | 59917 |
| 00:31.10 | JeffM2501 | and that's after killing chat and images :) |
| 00:32.49 | TD-Linux | wow I haven't been on the forum for a long time |
| 00:33.17 | TD-Linux | so sad... no more off-topic :( |
| 00:33.32 | TD-Linux | Most forums use 'General Discussion' for off-topic... |
| 00:35.53 | JeffM2501 | if we can swing it well make a comunity centric fourm that will have sections for non game stuff. |
| 00:42.10 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: that actually includes chat and images iirc |
| 00:42.20 | Erroneous | deleted posts are not decremented from the counters |
| 00:42.30 | Erroneous | also includes spam :) |
| 00:42.43 | JeffM2501 | they arn't? |
| 00:42.46 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 00:48.02 | Erroneous | just like user post counts, if you want them to go down, you have to edit them manually |
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| 01:21.09 | spldart | woah... today is like right about my 2 year anniversary on bzflag... like 1 week from 2 y on bzbb hehe |
| 01:21.42 | inchworm | it has a born on date? |
| 01:24.08 | JeffM2501 | you started playing on valentines day? |
| 01:24.14 | JeffM2501 | musta been a slow year |
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| 01:26.55 | spldart | right about.... + or - a day.. If I remember it was the 12th... but bzbb was the 21st |
| 01:27.12 | spldart | pogo used to play too ;-) |
| 01:28.15 | spldart | my brother introduced me to bz.... he goes by 'booch |
| 01:31.03 | inchworm | 14 sep 2005...it's been that long?! |
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| 02:11.20 | view | hi, I'm having an issue with global groups |
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| 02:12.47 | view | I've got the EVERYONE and VERIFIED parts right, and I'm using Grover.OWNER, of which I'm the moderator of, and when I join my server I only have VERIFIED privs |
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| 03:00.15 | brad | ~blast007 |
| 03:00.26 | ibot | [blast007] very wacky, or a cheese-stealer |
| 03:00.33 | blast007 | well, close I guess |
| 03:00.39 | brad | :) |
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| 03:57.28 | brlcad | doesn't take line counts or commit quality into account, but it does account for the unique commit problems associated with ws and copyright -- they basically just count as 1 |
| 03:57.59 | brlcad | it actually parses the log messages and finds unique commit messages |
| 03:59.21 | JeffM2501 | at least fearless is in the top 10 :) |
| 04:00.20 | brlcad | heh, yep |
| 04:00.45 | JeffM2501 | I've only done 1200 features :( |
| 04:00.48 | JeffM2501 | I suck |
| 04:00.53 | brlcad | and it looks like you're just about to ready to pass up three others |
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| 04:01.55 | JeffM2501 | huge diff between that trowbridge guy and the next one up |
| 04:01.59 | brlcad | was investigating a problem with brl-cad's ohloh statistics .. so I whipped up the script.. rather interesting :) |
| 04:03.27 | brlcad | yeah.. interesting that there's nobody in the past 3 years that has broken into the ranks, whereas the ones at the top now mostly started circa 2003 or before |
| 04:03.56 | JeffM2501 | the 1000+ club |
| 04:04.51 | brlcad | interesting that cvs shows up with 42 :) |
| 04:05.01 | brlcad | er, s/cvs/crs23/ |
| 04:05.25 | brlcad | but then most of his was pre-cvs |
| 04:05.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:05.59 | brlcad | 2004 was clearly a "good year" |
| 04:06.19 | JeffM2501 | tho more intersted in what happend in 03 |
| 04:06.20 | brlcad | at least activity-wise |
| 04:07.54 | JeffM2501 | no commits for fearless this year |
| 04:08.17 | JeffM2501 | who did the copyright bump this year? |
| 04:08.20 | brlcad | ahh, true |
| 04:08.23 | brlcad | I did |
| 04:08.34 | JeffM2501 | awww.. did you replace tim with a small shell script? |
| 04:08.39 | brlcad | heh |
| 04:08.51 | brlcad | actually, yes.. |
| 04:14.21 | JeffM2501 | yeah I know you did :) |
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| 04:28.34 | DTRemenak | hmmm, interesting stats |
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| 14:07.13 | donny_b | ok first time ive had this issue with irc |
| 14:07.32 | donny_b | won't let me login... says my callsign is in use |
| 14:07.42 | donny_b | how do i get the ghost connection off |
| 14:08.23 | PuMpErNiCkLe | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.42 | donny_b | thank you |
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| 14:35.38 | eTangenT | ~bzfrag eTangenT |
| 14:35.44 | ibot | ACTION makes eTangenT feel the effects of a shockwave |
| 14:40.24 | eTangenT | ~bzfrag eTangenT |
| 14:40.25 | ibot | ACTION squishes eTangenT with a steamroller |
| 14:40.28 | eTangenT | bah |
| 14:40.32 | eTangenT | stupid hilight |
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| 15:17.34 | Gnurdux | ~bz20cvs |
| 15:17.35 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
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| 15:43.37 | bz22 | hi there to all |
| 15:43.50 | TheRedBaron | hello |
| 15:44.35 | bz22 | im running into compile troubles. where can i look for info about this issue ? |
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| 15:45.38 | TheRedBaron | bz22: what operating system? |
| 15:45.59 | bz22 | linux 2.4.26 |
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| 15:46.16 | TheRedBaron | bz22: I can't help you, I know squat of compiling, but if you explain the problem a little, some one here should be able to help |
| 15:48.09 | bz22 | well, strangely enough the compiler cant find bits/std_cstring.h and bits/fpos.h which are in /usr/include/g++-v3/bits/ and thats odd cause they are included from /usr/include/g++-v3/bits/char_traits.h which also is in place and found |
| 15:49.50 | bz22 | can be a problem of my own machine since its a quite old installation and messed up too but cant tell for sure |
| 15:51.32 | blast007 | what linux distro? |
| 15:52.20 | ruskie | that it's old that's not hard to figure out as it's running 2.4.26 |
| 15:52.30 | ruskie | but distro would help |
| 15:52.55 | bz22 | mandrake 8.1 but with lots of upgrades, kernel, libraries, compilers etc. done by tarball since this distro is dead. original kernel was 2.4.2 if i remember well |
| 15:53.07 | blast007 | ewww |
| 15:53.26 | ruskie | the current stable linux kernel is 2.6.20 or some such or is it .19 |
| 15:53.34 | bz22 | linux only installs once in a lifetime :-) |
| 15:53.43 | ruskie | wrong |
| 15:53.44 | JBdiGriz | I believe they just released .21 |
| 15:53.59 | ruskie | linux is installed each time you upgrade the kernel :) |
| 15:54.21 | ruskie | a distro on the other hand depends on what you have.. but some yeah don't need constant reinstalls |
| 15:54.22 | blast007 | I remember trying to compile on mandrake 8.1 .... like 5 or 6 years ago |
| 15:54.25 | ruskie | mandrake isn't among them |
| 15:54.38 | bz22 | and i've had lots of troubles with kernel 2.6.2 mostly the nVidia drivers which dont work... |
| 15:54.54 | bz22 | so i stuck back to 2-4 series |
| 15:55.15 | ruskie | me recommendation... switch to a more modern linux distro |
| 15:56.27 | ruskie | if you want minimal fuss try *ubuntu |
| 15:56.37 | bz22 | maybe its the only way. upgrading to GTK 2 has been HELL to say one thing |
| 15:56.38 | ruskie | if you want to work with it try slackware |
| 15:56.53 | ruskie | and if you want anything beyond that try some source based |
| 15:57.05 | ruskie | in the slack camp also arch and similars |
| 15:58.04 | ruskie | personal recommendation... never go with a corporate distro like mandrake.. alwyas pick a community run one... |
| 15:58.31 | bz22 | i am using slackware on another pc a crappy P200 , think one of these days i am going to get slack on the main iron too . or debian . |
| 15:59.41 | ruskie | *shudders* at the though of debian |
| 15:59.52 | bz22 | ??? |
| 16:00.19 | ruskie | I'm basicaly alergic on all distros that split packages into package package-dev package-doc etc... |
| 16:00.41 | blast007 | I don't mind that though |
| 16:00.46 | blast007 | I don't read the docs anyway :) |
| 16:00.54 | ruskie | the decs I can understand |
| 16:00.58 | ruskie | but -dev |
| 16:01.00 | ruskie | sheesh |
| 16:01.02 | blast007 | and the dev stuff too |
| 16:01.14 | ruskie | imho it's absurd |
| 16:01.19 | ruskie | I like to have stuff available always |
| 16:01.58 | ruskie | and it's easy to get rid of the docs... rm -rf /usr/share/doc |
| 16:02.32 | blast007 | I'd rather use Debian that FC or CentOS ;) |
| 16:02.42 | ruskie | that's for sure |
| 16:02.44 | blast007 | I despise yum |
| 16:03.09 | blast007 | $ yum install cookies yum yum |
| 16:03.58 | ruskie | anyway giant ping-pong balls and cardboard tanks are calling me... |
| 16:04.23 | gsnedders | mmm… tasty… |
| 16:04.34 | bz22 | goodbye all fellas . |
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| 17:29.04 | brlcad | mow go coo |
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| 17:31.54 | tehbrandon | Hey ya'll, I'm having a problem here, the game is all stuttery on a ATi Xpress 1150 |
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| 17:41.27 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || Paste to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9453 || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 |
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| 18:09.22 | donny_baker | tehbrandon: do you have the latest video drivers for your video card |
| 18:11.25 | donny_baker | if you are on XP the latest driver was released on Jan 10, 2007 |
| 18:11.42 | donny_baker | the link to the download page is http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/xp/integrated-xp.html |
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| 18:13.55 | donny_baker | while connected to a server you can press 't' and just above the top right corner of the mouse bx |
| 18:14.02 | donny_baker | you will see your fps |
| 18:14.28 | donny_baker | you can adjust the video settings in the options menu to optimize your fps |
| 18:14.51 | donny_baker | the higher the fps the smoother your game will seem |
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| 18:15.23 | donny_baker | the last tip is to exit any other apps when running bzflag, especially ones that use lots of cpu cycles |
| 18:16.41 | view | I think I just shut down the mofo mapchange server on 4040 |
| 18:16.56 | view | I did /maprandom |
| 18:17.05 | donny_baker | 10[13:16] view: 01I think I just shut down the mofo mapchange server on 4040 |
| 18:17.12 | view | it's been 5 minutes and still I can't connect |
| 18:17.14 | donny_baker | oops wrong window |
| 18:18.00 | donny_baker | i just coppied your message to the mofo channell... someone there should hopefully take care of ti |
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| 19:19.24 | billis95 | hi |
| 19:19.42 | billis95 | i have a question |
| 19:19.51 | billis95 | how do u make bots? |
| 19:20.01 | JeffM2501 | modify the client |
| 19:20.10 | JeffM2501 | there isn't realy a bot API for the current version |
| 19:20.17 | billis95 | how do u do that? |
| 19:20.18 | JeffM2501 | for the next verison 2.2 there should be 2 options |
| 19:20.26 | billis95 | oh |
| 19:20.26 | JeffM2501 | do you know how to program in C++? |
| 19:20.32 | billis95 | no |
| 19:20.43 | JeffM2501 | bots are made in C++ |
| 19:20.50 | Tupone | billis95: ./bzflag -solo 5 |
| 19:20.56 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 19:20.56 | billis95 | i dont kno how 2 program anything |
| 19:21.02 | JeffM2501 | damn, did I jump the gun |
| 19:21.05 | billis95 | do u type that? |
| 19:21.13 | Tupone | yep |
| 19:21.15 | JeffM2501 | are you asking just how to get some bots on a server? or make your own custom ones? |
| 19:21.20 | JeffM2501 | I'm sorry |
| 19:21.26 | JeffM2501 | yeah, what OS are you on? |
| 19:21.28 | billis95 | just the server |
| 19:21.32 | billis95 | linux |
| 19:21.37 | JeffM2501 | bots are run by the client |
| 19:21.39 | JeffM2501 | not the server |
| 19:21.41 | billis95 | or windos |
| 19:21.45 | billis95 | ni have 2 |
| 19:21.50 | billis95 | ni* |
| 19:21.56 | JeffM2501 | when you run your client, you add -solo X where X is the number of bots you want |
| 19:21.57 | billis95 | i*** |
| 19:22.05 | JeffM2501 | where do you run your game client? |
| 19:22.11 | JeffM2501 | windows or linux? |
| 19:22.14 | billis95 | whats a client? |
| 19:22.18 | billis95 | linux |
| 19:22.19 | JeffM2501 | the actual game you play |
| 19:22.27 | JeffM2501 | ok, so you type bzflag to start playing |
| 19:22.29 | billis95 | the server? |
| 19:22.32 | JeffM2501 | no no |
| 19:22.34 | JeffM2501 | the game you play |
| 19:22.40 | JeffM2501 | the part with the 3d view |
| 19:22.43 | billis95 | bzflag |
| 19:22.44 | JeffM2501 | bots are not on the server |
| 19:22.45 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 19:22.46 | JeffM2501 | bzflag |
| 19:22.59 | view | billis95 open a terminal and type ./bzflag -solo # |
| 19:22.59 | JeffM2501 | when you do that, just add -solo 5 after it |
| 19:23.01 | billis95 | bzflag is the game |
| 19:23.17 | JeffM2501 | and that will add 5 bots to whatever server you join |
| 19:23.24 | billis95 | how do u get to the termanal |
| 19:23.30 | JeffM2501 | how do you run the game now? |
| 19:23.42 | billis95 | how do u get to the termanal |
| 19:23.45 | billis95 | ??? |
| 19:23.47 | TheRedBaron | which will most likely get you kicked/banned from a public server, if you join with bots |
| 19:23.56 | JeffM2501 | when you play bzflag, what do you do? |
| 19:23.57 | billis95 | oh |
| 19:24.03 | billis95 | play |
| 19:24.07 | JeffM2501 | how do you start the game? |
| 19:24.08 | billis95 | y? |
| 19:24.11 | JeffM2501 | do you click on an icon? |
| 19:24.17 | billis95 | go 2 start game |
| 19:24.19 | JeffM2501 | or do you enter something into the OS terminal |
| 19:24.25 | billis95 | oh yes |
| 19:24.30 | JeffM2501 | ok, how do you run the bzflag program |
| 19:24.33 | JeffM2501 | before you start game? |
| 19:24.42 | billis95 | icon |
| 19:24.45 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 19:24.52 | JeffM2501 | is that on your windows computer or your linux computer? |
| 19:25.00 | billis95 | linux |
| 19:25.07 | billis95 | and windos |
| 19:25.18 | JeffM2501 | ok, then runing bots is difrent on each OS |
| 19:25.37 | JeffM2501 | on linux you will open up the terminal program instead of clicking your icon |
| 19:25.42 | JeffM2501 | and type bzflag -solo 5 |
| 19:25.52 | JeffM2501 | that will run the game with 5 bots |
| 19:25.59 | JeffM2501 | on windows, you need to edit the shortcut |
| 19:26.00 | billis95 | wiat |
| 19:26.25 | billis95 | how do u open the terminal program? |
| 19:26.38 | JeffM2501 | that depends on your distrobution of linux |
| 19:26.44 | billis95 | ubuntu |
| 19:26.45 | JeffM2501 | usualy it's in a "utilitys' menu |
| 19:26.51 | JeffM2501 | you'll have to dig around for it |
| 19:26.57 | billis95 | ahh |
| 19:26.59 | JeffM2501 | it's not our job to tell you how to use your OS |
| 19:27.07 | billis95 | in applications? |
| 19:27.10 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 19:27.14 | JeffM2501 | you'll have to find it |
| 19:27.17 | billis95 | im new a it |
| 19:27.24 | JeffM2501 | then it's a good time to learn :) |
| 19:28.13 | billis95 | ok nvm the linux one |
| 19:28.23 | billis95 | im really good at windows |
| 19:28.48 | billis95 | how do u do that one? |
| 19:28.53 | JeffM2501 | for windows, right click on the shortcut icon |
| 19:28.57 | JeffM2501 | hit properties |
| 19:28.58 | billis95 | k |
| 19:29.09 | JeffM2501 | then in the target field, add -solo 5 after the last " |
| 19:29.16 | JeffM2501 | with a space between " and - |
| 19:29.28 | billis95 | k |
| 19:29.45 | JeffM2501 | you may want to make a copy of the shortcut first,so you have one that has bots and one that dosn't |
| 19:29.52 | billis95 | k |
| 19:30.11 | billis95 | run that by me again |
| 19:30.31 | billis95 | im riting it down |
| 19:30.31 | JeffM2501 | just read up man |
| 19:30.31 | JeffM2501 | it's all there in your window |
| 19:30.31 | billis95 | k |
| 19:31.12 | billis95 | 1 more question |
| 19:31.24 | billis95 | whats a target field |
| 19:32.25 | JeffM2501 | on the window that comes up when you right click the shortcut and choose properties, it will be a text edit box you can type in that is called "target" |
| 19:32.35 | billis95 | k |
| 19:33.05 | JeffM2501 | where do you want to run bots at? |
| 19:33.22 | billis95 | mofo |
| 19:33.29 | JeffM2501 | that will get you banned |
| 19:33.40 | billis95 | where can i run them? |
| 19:33.48 | JeffM2501 | on your own local server |
| 19:33.57 | billis95 | i dont have one |
| 19:34.04 | billis95 | im not registered |
| 19:34.17 | JeffM2501 | then ether learn how to start one, or don't run bots |
| 19:34.26 | donny_baker | most if not all public servers discourage the use of bots without the owners permission |
| 19:34.26 | billis95 | oh |
| 19:34.32 | JeffM2501 | bots are stupid and can ruin a game |
| 19:34.38 | JeffM2501 | most people do not like them |
| 19:34.40 | billis95 | oh |
| 19:34.53 | donny_baker | stupid as in no real AI... |
| 19:34.54 | JeffM2501 | the are intended for your own practice on your own private server. |
| 19:35.56 | billis95 | what is different of being regestered and not being regestered |
| 19:36.18 | JeffM2501 | many servers will not let you spawn, chat, or play if your not registered |
| 19:36.30 | billis95 | do u get email |
| 19:36.36 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 19:36.43 | billis95 | nvm |
| 19:37.01 | billis95 | is making a server hard |
| 19:37.14 | JeffM2501 | depends what kind of server you want |
| 19:37.19 | JeffM2501 | and how much you know about computers |
| 19:37.22 | billis95 | ffa |
| 19:37.32 | JeffM2501 | the simplest server can be run from inside the game using the "Start server" menu item |
| 19:37.43 | billis95 | not 2 much but anof to get me around |
| 19:37.46 | JeffM2501 | if you want more options, or the server to be public then you need to do more |
| 19:38.10 | billis95 | and u have to be regestered to do that right? |
| 19:38.14 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 19:38.20 | billis95 | really? |
| 19:38.23 | billis95 | oh |
| 19:38.26 | JeffM2501 | anyone can run a server for whatever reasons they want to |
| 19:38.28 | JeffM2501 | we can't stop them |
| 19:38.30 | billis95 | i though u did |
| 19:38.33 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 19:38.44 | billis95 | cool thanks 4 the help |
| 19:38.47 | billis95 | cya |
| 19:38.52 | JeffM2501 | many server owners are registered because it makes user management easyer |
| 19:39.02 | billis95 | oh |
| 19:39.05 | billis95 | bye |
| 19:39.40 | JeffM2501 | I don't know why my brain locked onto programing bots |
| 19:40.24 | JeffM2501 | thanks for realising that Tupone :) |
| 19:40.24 | Tupone | :) |
| 19:40.24 | JeffM2501 | I guess the word "making" as oposed to "running" |
| 19:40.27 | Tupone | I got it when I see "silly" question |
| 19:40.30 | Tupone | saw |
| 19:40.34 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 19:40.44 | ts | Tupone: :) |
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| 19:41.14 | billis95 | hi again |
| 19:41.30 | billis95 | jeff? |
| 19:41.30 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 19:42.07 | billis95 | i started it and it said "failure" in quit the program |
| 19:42.14 | JeffM2501 | started what? |
| 19:42.18 | JeffM2501 | remember we can't read your mind |
| 19:42.22 | billis95 | a server |
| 19:42.32 | JeffM2501 | on windows or linux? |
| 19:42.34 | billis95 | oh sry |
| 19:42.37 | billis95 | linux |
| 19:43.11 | JeffM2501 | ubuntu is debian based, so IIRC it splits the server and client into seperate packages |
| 19:43.23 | JeffM2501 | so you may have to install the server package |
| 19:43.29 | billis95 | oh |
| 19:43.32 | billis95 | iirc? |
| 19:43.41 | JeffM2501 | If I Recall Correctly |
| 19:43.45 | billis95 | oh |
| 19:43.48 | JeffM2501 | I'd ask for help from whoever set the computer up |
| 19:43.59 | billis95 | oh |
| 19:44.02 | billis95 | k |
| 19:44.14 | billis95 | will it do that with windos |
| 19:44.48 | JeffM2501 | some versions of BZ on windows would not run a server from the menu IIRC |
| 19:45.04 | billis95 | oh |
| 19:45.14 | billis95 | 2.0.8? |
| 19:45.16 | JeffM2501 | but try and see what happens :) |
| 19:45.18 | JeffM2501 | I don't remember |
| 19:45.20 | JeffM2501 | try and see |
| 19:45.24 | billis95 | k |
| 19:45.30 | billis95 | i do that later |
| 19:45.44 | billis95 | the 2 os r at dif places |
| 19:46.03 | JeffM2501 | well good luck with it |
| 19:46.27 | billis95 | whats an aol trans lator |
| 19:46.34 | billis95 | translator* |
| 19:46.34 | JeffM2501 | don't worry about it |
| 19:46.38 | billis95 | oh |
| 19:46.53 | billis95 | bye |
| 19:47.45 | ts | blast007: Where can I get one, too? |
| 19:47.55 | blast007 | ts: hehe |
| 19:47.57 | CBG | geewiz |
| 19:48.01 | blast007 | I think mine is broken |
| 19:48.15 | ts | Give me the source, I can fix maybe :) |
| 19:48.19 | blast007 | ;) |
| 19:48.45 | ts | Really, I think CGI:IRC should connect to #bzchat |
| 19:48.51 | ts | not to #bzflag |
| 19:49.32 | brad | that's the default, no? |
| 19:49.37 | CBG | nah, CGI:IRC should just disconnect every minute with a message "Get a real client, damnit.". |
| 19:52.01 | ts | brad: no |
| 19:52.10 | ts | http://my.bzflag.org/irc/irc.cgi |
| 19:53.10 | brad | ah |
| 19:54.33 | TheRedBaron | ~garc CBG |
| 19:54.36 | ibot | ACTION gives CBG a real client, and makes CBG use it |
| 19:54.45 | CBG | I have one, thanks, TheRedBaron. |
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| 20:33.52 | BaT_ | hi. I have a little question: bzflag depends only opengl, libsdl and libcurl? So it not depends any other package? |
| 20:36.23 | blast007 | it can use curses for bzadmin |
| 20:37.06 | BaT_ | but curses required to build bzadmin? Or it is optional? |
| 20:39.44 | blast007 | optional, but recommended ;) |
| 20:40.51 | blast007 | works fine without it, but it would lack several nice features including the player list |
| 20:42.04 | BaT_ | ok, thank you very much! |
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| 21:11.23 | JeffM2501 | ts, the web irc is mostly intended for support questions |
| 21:11.32 | JeffM2501 | and those we answer here |
| 21:11.51 | JeffM2501 | maybe we need more then one, each labled chat, and support, and have them default to difrent places |
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| 21:41.52 | billis95 | hi |
| 21:42.00 | billis95 | jeff |
| 21:42.05 | JeffM2501 | hi |
| 21:42.05 | billis95 | nr u there? |
| 21:42.08 | billis95 | nhi |
| 21:42.18 | billis95 | im on my windos comp |
| 21:42.48 | billis95 | so what do i put in to creat bots? |
| 21:43.04 | billis95 | im in the target |
| 21:43.08 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 21:43.12 | JeffM2501 | after the last " |
| 21:43.14 | JeffM2501 | add a space |
| 21:43.16 | JeffM2501 | then -solo 5 |
| 21:43.42 | billis95 | then apply? |
| 21:44.27 | billis95 | thx by |
| 21:48.14 | brlcad | by |
| 21:53.34 | Erroneous | heh |
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| 22:06.22 | billis95 | hi |
| 22:06.54 | billis95 | jeff r u there? |
| 22:07.23 | CBG | billis95: what's up? |
| 22:07.46 | billis95 | hi is jeffm2601 here? |
| 22:07.57 | billis95 | 2501** |
| 22:08.28 | billis95 | ok |
| 22:08.37 | billis95 | cbg |
| 22:09.13 | billis95 | CBG: ru there? |
| 22:10.11 | blast007 | billis95: do you have a question? :) (at least some other ones) |
| 22:10.15 | blast007 | ack |
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| 22:10.20 | blast007 | billis95: do you have a question? :) (at least some other ones) |
| 22:10.25 | TheRedBaron | lmao |
| 22:11.11 | billis95 | no just tell jeffm2501 that billis95 says thanks for helping me with the bots |
| 22:11.24 | blast007 | ok, sure thing |
| 22:11.28 | TheRedBaron | billis95: type ~jeffm2501++ |
| 22:11.28 | billis95 | thx |
| 22:11.49 | billis95 | ~jeffm2501++ |
| 22:12.16 | billis95 | nothin happened |
| 22:12.31 | billis95 | oh nvm |
| 22:12.34 | TheRedBaron | billis95: its the IRC way of saying "thanks" |
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| 22:36.45 | doodlebob11 | how do u make a level? |
| 22:36.53 | doodlebob11 | or is any one even here? |
| 22:36.59 | spldart | Can anyone advise me to a good #channel for networking advice... I got something I wanna try |
| 22:36.59 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:37.09 | JeffM2501 | doodlebob11, there are a number of ways |
| 22:37.13 | JeffM2501 | and a number of tools |
| 22:37.22 | JeffM2501 | have you read the map making fourms? |
| 22:37.30 | doodlebob11 | can u tell me some of them and how to use them |
| 22:37.43 | doodlebob11 | no |
| 22:37.44 | JeffM2501 | it is not a simple thing |
| 22:37.48 | doodlebob11 | o i c |
| 22:37.48 | JeffM2501 | more then I can just tell you here |
| 22:37.53 | JeffM2501 | read up on it first |
| 22:37.58 | doodlebob11 | o should I go check it |
| 22:38.00 | doodlebob11 | thanks |
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| 23:06.42 | doodlebob11 | can any one here tell me how to make a signiture? |
| 23:07.03 | JeffM2501 | just type in what you want in yourt profile |
| 23:07.04 | doodlebob11 | is any one here? |
| 23:07.17 | JeffM2501 | yes, we all just don't jump when somone says something |
| 23:07.34 | doodlebob11 | That is what I thought but I was in furoms and a gye had a fance |
| 23:07.46 | JeffM2501 | Impatient much? |
| 23:07.49 | JeffM2501 | what? |
| 23:07.55 | doodlebob11 | looking picture that had his name and stuff I thought it was a sig |
| 23:08.09 | doodlebob11 | so i was wondering if u could have fancy signitures |
| 23:08.10 | JeffM2501 | please slow down and try to formulate your questions |
| 23:08.16 | JeffM2501 | you can have an image, yes |
| 23:08.21 | JeffM2501 | you would use bbcode for that |
| 23:08.27 | spldart | meh... I'm getting the headache |
| 23:08.28 | JeffM2501 | there is info on bbcode in the FAQ |
| 23:08.36 | spldart | and a half |
| 23:08.43 | JeffM2501 | tell me about it :) |
| 23:08.45 | doodlebob11 | o realy.... |
| 23:08.54 | doodlebob11 | I will have to go check |
| 23:08.55 | JeffM2501 | and also please try to use real english |
| 23:09.00 | doodlebob11 | ty for the help |
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| 23:10.42 | spldart | His eng-rish a-o-tay |
| 23:11.00 | doodlebob11 | I am back and I didnt find any thing on the fancy signitures in the faq so what do I do? |
| 23:11.24 | doodlebob11 | SOME ONE HELP ME! |
| 23:11.44 | spldart | dude... |
| 23:11.50 | brlcad | heh, pimple |
| 23:11.51 | doodlebob11 | HELP!!!!!HELP!!!! |
| 23:11.52 | spldart | That's not the way to go if you want help |
| 23:11.53 | doodlebob11 | wat |
| 23:11.54 | TheRedBaron | ~woah doodlebob11 |
| 23:12.05 | blast007 | ... |
| 23:12.08 | brlcad | doodlebob11: calm down please |
| 23:12.14 | spldart | But keep it up and I'm sure somebody will send you on your way ;-) |
| 23:12.22 | JeffM2501 | doodlebob11, how old are you? |
| 23:12.25 | doodlebob11 | OK!!!! I mean ok..... |
| 23:12.35 | doodlebob11 | 13 |
| 23:12.43 | doodlebob11 | any way need help |
| 23:12.49 | JeffM2501 | did you read the rules post? and the FAQ post? |
| 23:12.55 | JeffM2501 | as that was very fast for somone to read them all |
| 23:13.09 | doodlebob11 | I didnt under stant the faq poast and the rules post is news to me |
| 23:13.16 | brlcad | JeffM2501: what's motivating all the libirc improvements? :) |
| 23:13.23 | doodlebob11 | did no there was a rules poast |
| 23:13.24 | JeffM2501 | then perhaps you shoudl read it so you understand |
| 23:13.28 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I may use it for forsooth |
| 23:13.37 | Erroneous | if you didn't understand the faq, why would you understand anything we have to tell you? |
| 23:13.48 | doodlebob11 | THANK YOU!!!!!!!! yo |
| 23:13.51 | JeffM2501 | doodlebob11, it's the post that shows up when you hit the FAQ |
| 23:13.59 | brlcad | ~dict forsooth |
| 23:14.07 | JeffM2501 | then at the botom of that is a link to the full FAQ |
| 23:14.14 | Erroneous | wow |
| 23:14.20 | Erroneous | talk about hyperactive |
| 23:14.21 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:14.29 | JeffM2501 | tis old english |
| 23:14.36 | brlcad | forsoothly |
| 23:14.36 | JBdiGriz | I thought schools were in session this week. |
| 23:14.43 | Erroneous | they should be... |
| 23:14.48 | JeffM2501 | tho I'm debating if I should use forsooth with libIRC or just the connection class |
| 23:15.07 | JeffM2501 | if I use IRC, I'll have to extend the IRC proto to do binary transfers and other messages. |
| 23:15.12 | Erroneous | brlcad: iirc, forsooth is an adverb already, no reason for +ly |
| 23:15.15 | JeffM2501 | and it may be slow and kinda "eww" |
| 23:15.22 | Erroneous | dcc :) |
| 23:15.29 | JeffM2501 | yeah I pondered that |
| 23:15.44 | JeffM2501 | I don't know what I get by running it on top of IRC |
| 23:15.50 | JeffM2501 | so it's kinda mehh |
| 23:15.58 | brlcad | Erroneous: I knewly that, just humorific ;) |
| 23:15.59 | Gnurdux | JBdiGriz, schools are canceled for snow |
| 23:16.17 | JeffM2501 | ahh, that does explain a lot, thanks Gnurdux :) |
| 23:16.24 | spldart | heh |
| 23:16.25 | JeffM2501 | snow day |
| 23:16.35 | brlcad | yeah.. most of mid noreast is shut down yesterday and today |
| 23:16.39 | brlcad | ice day |
| 23:16.39 | Erroneous | ahh |
| 23:16.40 | Gnurdux | actually, my county canceled yesterday, today, and tomorrow |
| 23:16.53 | Gnurdux | nand had an early dismissal day before yesterday |
| 23:16.57 | Gnurdux | because their nuts |
| 23:17.07 | JeffM2501 | it's a nice 80 deg, here today |
| 23:17.13 | JeffM2501 | I'd be riding to work if I could |
| 23:17.22 | blast007 | I think it's around 11 here ;) |
| 23:17.24 | spldart | We've been getting freezing temp even down here in SE tx not far from the ocean 8-0 |
| 23:17.25 | Erroneous | nand? :) |
| 23:17.26 | blast007 | though that was at noon |
| 23:17.29 | brlcad | my car was encased in about a solid inch of ice yesterday, was freezing rain and snow for hours |
| 23:17.52 | JBdiGriz | It doesn't look very snowy out the window to me. ;) |
| 23:17.56 | brlcad | heh |
| 23:18.03 | Erroneous | nor to me :0 |
| 23:18.04 | brlcad | ~weather kbwi |
| 23:18.11 | brlcad | brisk |
| 23:18.20 | JeffM2501 | Guu, weather 93021 |
| 23:18.21 | Guu | JeffM2501: The current temperature in Thousand Oaks, Thousand Oaks, California is 68.4°F (3:03 PM PST on February 15, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 41.0°F. Pressure: 30.35 in 1027.7 hPa. |
| 23:18.35 | JeffM2501 | hmm colder in TO now |
| 23:18.36 | spldart | Jeff wins |
| 23:18.37 | JBdiGriz | Guu, weather 92030 |
| 23:18.38 | Guu | JBdiGriz: The current temperature in El Norte Pkwy & Rees, Escondido, California is 72.5°F (3:18 PM PST on February 15, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 41.0°F. Pressure: 30.20 in 1022.6 hPa. |
| 23:18.45 | blast007 | ~weather kjvl |
| 23:18.55 | spldart | ~weather ksgr |
| 23:19.11 | JBdiGriz | I think I'll stay out here. |
| 23:19.11 | brlcad | blast007: you're in WI? |
| 23:19.16 | blast007 | yup |
| 23:19.18 | brlcad | wii |
| 23:19.52 | TheRedBaron | si |
| 23:21.22 | brlcad | Erroneous: did you see http://bzflag.bz/statcvs/cvs.html ? |
| 23:21.24 | Gnurdux | ~weather 20815 |
| 23:21.41 | Gnurdux | Guu weather 20815 |
| 23:21.44 | Guu | Gnurdux: The current temperature in Wheaton, Silver Spring, Maryland is 22.3°F (6:07 PM EST on February 15, 2007). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 3.2°F. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017.2 hPa. |
| 23:21.46 | Erroneous | brlcad: I did |
| 23:21.50 | Erroneous | interesting |
| 23:22.35 | Erroneous | I find the difference between "commits" and "unique commits" very intriguing :) |
| 23:22.50 | spldart | that cvs stats page depresses me |
| 23:22.57 | brlcad | spldart: heh, why? |
| 23:23.22 | spldart | it seems to show a major drop off in activity... Unless I'm miss interpreting the data |
| 23:23.30 | brlcad | ahh |
| 23:23.34 | brlcad | nah, that's real |
| 23:23.44 | brlcad | it's been decreased since 2.0 was released |
| 23:23.46 | Erroneous | open source projects never die |
| 23:23.49 | Erroneous | they just go into limbo |
| 23:24.01 | brlcad | yeah, waves, we're at a trough |
| 23:24.07 | brlcad | ~spell trough |
| 23:24.07 | spldart | well... semi permanent limbo would be bad too |
| 23:24.27 | JeffM2501 | we've been droping, everyone knows that |
| 23:24.56 | spldart | I guess I was trying to live in denial :) |
| 23:25.01 | JeffM2501 | I do wonder what happened in 04 |
| 23:25.02 | brlcad | spldart: I think it was more "burnout" after 2.0 that started the decline .. a lot of effort went in, a LOT and then.. everyone took a breather |
| 23:25.20 | Erroneous | naw, I wasn't burned out, just had to go start college :) |
| 23:25.28 | Erroneous | no more copious free time |
| 23:25.29 | brlcad | what I found most interesting is that there are no new core dev potentials seemingly coming up the ranks |
| 23:25.42 | spldart | So I can hope for a pickup in activity.... after, perhaps, some new blood enters the project |
| 23:25.56 | JeffM2501 | blood isn't the issue |
| 23:25.58 | JeffM2501 | it's direction |
| 23:26.08 | JeffM2501 | there was a good article on good open source project |
| 23:26.09 | spldart | ah yeah |
| 23:26.11 | brlcad | Erroneous: I'd say college is a form of burnout ;) |
| 23:26.16 | JeffM2501 | we don't have many of the things they say we should have |
| 23:26.20 | Erroneous | brlcad: hehe |
| 23:27.28 | brlcad | we've been inadequate at attracting new developers, that seems to be clear, or at least incapable of retaining them |
| 23:27.39 | brlcad | or of *motivating* them |
| 23:27.53 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:27.53 | brlcad | and that comes from the project management and leadership aspects more than anything |
| 23:28.14 | JeffM2501 | if we had clear directions I think we'd get a lot more out of the people we have, and attract more people |
| 23:28.27 | Erroneous | some potential new developers go their own route with plugins instead of doing the traditional patch thing |
| 23:28.38 | brlcad | somewhat of a crutch excuse as we certainly could decide things "for ourselves" (and we have in some instances) but could certainly do better |
| 23:28.46 | JeffM2501 | it's the jump from "putzing around" project to "mozilla" :) |
| 23:28.51 | brlcad | Erroneous: that's a very good point too... |
| 23:29.13 | JeffM2501 | at least plugins are easier to apply then patches :) |
| 23:29.18 | Erroneous | whether or not it's a bad thing is a matter of perspective. certainly a lower barrier of entry. |
| 23:29.25 | brlcad | a lot of effort has gone into plugins over the past year that isn't reflected in those stats |
| 23:29.30 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 23:29.41 | brlcad | probably moreso than the main codebase overall |
| 23:29.41 | spldart | hrm |
| 23:29.47 | JeffM2501 | wonder how many 3rd party plugins are out there |
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| 23:30.03 | brlcad | so it actually could be "on the rise" again, and we wouldn't really know |
| 23:30.15 | Erroneous | and the part that is, is done all at once...when someone checks in a new plugin, they don't do it peicemeal like they would working on the main project |
| 23:30.23 | JeffM2501 | inovation in plugins has suprised me |
| 23:30.29 | Erroneous | so just one commit, instead of potentially dozens |
| 23:30.33 | brlcad | yeah, ker-chunk commit .. and it's done |
| 23:30.50 | brlcad | and that might amount to days/weeks/months of effort |
| 23:30.53 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 23:30.57 | Erroneous | all done locally |
| 23:31.08 | JeffM2501 | is there a way to check codebase growth over time? |
| 23:31.41 | brlcad | I was going to do extra processing to take the magnitude of the commit into account, to factor out ws and other innocuous changes |
| 23:32.01 | brlcad | but determined it'd be too much effort .. and if I have that much time on my hands, I should be coding something else ;) |
| 23:32.18 | brlcad | JeffM2501: yeah, that was in statcvs as well as on ohloh |
| 23:32.19 | Erroneous | heh |
| 23:32.28 | brlcad | http://bzflag.bz/statcvs/ |
| 23:32.50 | brlcad | entirely different report.. doesn't take uniqueness into account |
| 23:32.53 | JeffM2501 | so squat happend until 2003 |
| 23:32.54 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 23:33.12 | JeffM2501 | big rise in 2004 |
| 23:33.14 | Erroneous | also eight months out of date |
| 23:33.15 | JeffM2501 | and earlyer this year |
| 23:33.17 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 23:33.18 | Erroneous | 2004 was a good year :) |
| 23:33.23 | JeffM2501 | be nice to see it updated |
| 23:33.47 | brlcad | yeah, heh |
| 23:33.49 | JeffM2501 | we did flaten out in 2006 by that |
| 23:33.51 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:34.03 | JeffM2501 | a lot was actualy done by a few people for 2.1 |
| 23:34.10 | brlcad | yeah, you can already see the decline.. it started around jan 2006 |
| 23:34.10 | JeffM2501 | I know tupone did a lot |
| 23:34.20 | Erroneous | http://www.ohloh.net/projects/189/factoids/59320 :) |
| 23:35.15 | JeffM2501 | I still want to know how we got mozilla licensed files :) |
| 23:36.09 | spldart | It was an exciting time to watch code developing. although I caught the last of that spurt. |
| 23:36.50 | brlcad | 2003-2004 .. good times |
| 23:37.14 | brlcad | where several of the "solid" developer bar sections overlapped |
| 23:38.40 | A-Delusion | SOLD! |
| 23:39.03 | JeffM2501 | that would not be enough just for me |
| 23:39.16 | brlcad | not in the least |
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| 23:40.24 | brlcad | which is part of what makes 55K an interesting default ... |
| 23:40.41 | brlcad | on "average" for a generic project that might be true I suppose |
| 23:40.46 | Erroneous | brlcad: think about it this way: would you have paid 55K for me, in late 2003? |
| 23:40.59 | TheRedBaron | 8.5 million... from what hat did they pull that number out of? |
| 23:41.09 | spldart | sniff sniff |
| 23:41.14 | spldart | I don't think that's a hat |
| 23:41.23 | TheRedBaron | spldart: haha! |
| 23:41.53 | brlcad | Erroneous: mm.. 2003? you weren't even out of HS then were you? |
| 23:41.57 | Erroneous | brlcad: bearing in mind that I hadn't yet graduated from high school, and didn't know the first thing about proper c++ :) |
| 23:42.00 | Erroneous | correct |
| 23:42.15 | brlcad | by 2004, probably |
| 23:42.27 | Erroneous | but I was working on bzflag...so ohloh still calculates my contributions at that time as 55k/man-year |
| 23:42.53 | TheRedBaron | odd - http://www.bzflag.org/bzflag/news/old.php |
| 23:42.54 | brlcad | your rate/value skyrocketed quickly :) |
| 23:43.42 | Erroneous | brlcad: or look at it this way...would you pay 55k/man-year for lan (no offense intended to him, of course)? :) |
| 23:43.50 | brlcad | heck, even your average over the past 3 years is well over 55 |
| 23:44.34 | brlcad | hehe, lan |
| 23:45.10 | brlcad | well, that's what I mean about it being an interesting default too.. maybe on average it's not too bad given the spectrum and level of contributions |
| 23:45.21 | Erroneous | yeah, I don't think it's a terrible default |
| 23:45.38 | brlcad | the weight-factor is what gets me |
| 23:45.54 | Erroneous | may well be low for bzflag, as our top code contributors are some of the best too |
| 23:46.09 | brlcad | i know for a project like brl-cad, there isn't nearly as much contributions from the "lower end" of the value spectrum .. practically non-existant |
| 23:46.44 | brlcad | and 55k becomes absolutely absurd for us |
| 23:46.48 | Erroneous | hehe |
| 23:49.01 | brlcad | even for bz, though, there's something interesting to be said with the weighting factor.. when 90% of the core contributions come from people that are generally valued considerably higher than 55, the lower end is less consequential |
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| 23:50.45 | Erroneous | brlcad: also interesting is that, while when you look at the individual contributors and find that they are valued too poorly, when you look at the project....does $8.5 million really seem reasonable? :) |
| 23:51.03 | brlcad | course, you have to take the value of the work, not the person -- even someone worth $200k can make $5k valued "ws" changes every week ;) |
| 23:51.27 | Erroneous | hehe |
| 23:52.41 | brlcad | actually, I do think given the longevity and breadth of features/complexity .. and knowing how much it costs to fund and support a project for 7 years.. 8.5 seems quite reasonable |
| 23:53.01 | Erroneous | yeah, but after 7 years of dev...all we have is this? :) |
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| 23:53.21 | Erroneous | I think that may say something about the motivation/guidance factors also |
| 23:53.43 | Erroneous | the sum of the parts vs the sum of the whole |
| 23:53.58 | brlcad | it's not just dev, includes maintenance, support, documentation, servers and services, etc |
| 23:54.05 | Erroneous | heh, documentation |
| 23:54.12 | brlcad | yeah yeah :) |
| 23:54.21 | Erroneous | and servers and services are not counted in those stats |
| 23:54.28 | JeffM2501 | if it was going to be redone, full time I think it'd take a lot less time |
| 23:55.02 | brlcad | JeffM2501: true, but then that would be leveraging a lot of insight and "research" gained by doing it wrong the first time |
| 23:55.20 | JeffM2501 | yeah but that's going to happenwith anything |
| 23:55.23 | brlcad | plus the expense of truely matching all of the existing features .. it would be difficult |
| 23:55.38 | JeffM2501 | depends what you call a "feature" :) |
| 23:55.48 | Erroneous | mmm, hud calculators... |
| 23:55.55 | brlcad | yeah, depends what you call "redone" |
| 23:55.59 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 23:56.08 | JeffM2501 | if somone said 'make a tank game that does XXXXX" |
| 23:56.11 | brlcad | redone in spirit of the existing game, or actually reimplement all existing features and behaviors |
| 23:56.14 | JeffM2501 | quake mod!!! |
| 23:56.34 | Erroneous | right...does "XXXXX" should include "runs on everybody's weirdass unix machine" too :) |
| 23:56.35 | brlcad | to equate, only the latter makes sense to me -- and the detail in matching what we have is rather complex |
| 23:56.43 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, why? we don't :) |
| 23:56.51 | Erroneous | we do, in general |
| 23:57.02 | JeffM2501 | not as many as we used to I fear |
| 23:57.04 | Erroneous | grab some random sun or sgi box, I bet we build and run on it |
| 23:57.23 | JeffM2501 | didn't somone have some SGI probs recently? |
| 23:57.25 | Erroneous | might need a gnu compiler on sgi at the moment |
| 23:57.33 | Erroneous | but we aren't far off in any case |
| 23:57.35 | brlcad | yeah |
| 23:57.38 | JeffM2501 | probably not |
| 23:57.49 | JeffM2501 | tho I wonder how many users that feature buys us? |
| 23:58.00 | Erroneous | at least, not like taking a new project that has never been run on sgi, and trying to get it to |
| 23:58.09 | Erroneous | that was not relevant :) |
| 23:58.23 | Erroneous | whether or not a given feature was worth it, was not part of the equation |
| 23:58.35 | brlcad | exactly |
| 23:58.37 | Erroneous | "worth it" means a very different thing in an open-source context |
| 23:59.12 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 23:59.33 | Erroneous | for instance, if I was to suggest porting GC to OS/2, I would be laughed at. I did it for bzflag, though (not that I checked it in...more work not in the cvs stats ;) ) |