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| 00:20.44 | brad | ~bz20cvs |
| 00:20.55 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
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| 00:45.28 | spldart | Man! The amount of info available to server is impressive. IMHO |
| 00:45.39 | spldart | s/server/observer |
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| 01:31.31 | blast007 | anyone have admin rights on the main bzflag.org wiki? |
| 01:35.13 | donny_baker | http://bzflag.org/wiki, right? |
| 01:35.24 | Erroneous | blast007: I'm sure you can figure out how to make yourself admin ;) |
| 01:37.34 | blast007 | oh, I'm sure I could ;) |
| 01:37.44 | blast007 | donny_baker: yeah |
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| 01:49.30 | a_meteorite | ~logs |
| 01:49.32 | ibot | logs is probably http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz |
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| 03:24.00 | inchworm | brad: Do you run brad.bz? |
| 03:29.49 | ViciousMuffin | is there anyone here who could register a gu player? |
| 03:30.38 | ViciousMuffin | if no one, it's ok |
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| 04:56.24 | brad | inchworm: yes |
| 04:56.24 | brad | using a few groups from other servers |
| 04:56.25 | brad | silvercat, hepcat, vipers, etc. |
| 04:56.26 | inchworm | brad: ok, I just wasn't expecting it and I've been on another map that gave me admin when i wasn't supposed to be |
| 04:56.28 | inchworm | just makeing sure everything is configured right |
| 04:56.28 | brad | :-) |
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| 04:57.14 | brad | view: you there? |
| 04:57.14 | view | yes |
| 04:57.14 | brad | did you get the map into .obj format? |
| 04:57.14 | view | no ;( |
| 04:57.14 | brad | I think I might know an easy way to do it |
| 04:57.14 | brad | run the map on a server |
| 04:57.14 | brad | go there with a normal client |
| 04:57.14 | brad | and type..... |
| 04:57.14 | brad | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:57.14 | brad | (haven't tested this yet though :) |
| 04:57.15 | delusional | oh yeah? |
| 04:57.15 | a_meteorite | ya rly! |
| 04:57.15 | blast007 | no wai! |
| 04:57.15 | brad | ~lart delusional, a_meteorite and blast007 |
| 04:57.15 | blast007 | lol |
| 04:57.15 | a_meteorite | you broke him! |
| 04:57.15 | a_meteorite | ~ping |
| 04:57.49 | ibot | pong |
| 04:57.49 | delusional | looks ok so far... |
| 04:57.49 | brad | have you tryed it delusional? |
| 04:59.51 | delusional | it's an obj format.. |
| 04:59.51 | delusional | trying to open in wings now.. |
| 04:59.51 | brad | it got to 99% loaded and then stopped :) |
| 04:59.51 | brad | omg, it worked! |
| 04:59.52 | a_meteorite | ibot: too late, you already died |
| 04:59.53 | delusional | it sure did |
| 04:59.53 | brad | that is so cool |
| 04:59.53 | brad | why didn't I find it earlier |
| 04:59.53 | view | thanks brad |
| 04:59.53 | brad | np |
| 04:59.53 | brad | thanks to whoever made it |
| 05:01.13 | delusional | WOW, |
| 05:01.13 | delusional | you gotta post that |
| 05:01.13 | brad | heh, you do it |
| 05:01.14 | brad | everyone else probably knows about it... we're just n00bs :) |
| 06:17.24 | brad | delusional: do you know how to "zoom out" in wings? |
| 06:17.24 | brad | so I can see the whole map |
| 06:17.24 | delusional | scroll wheel |
| 06:17.24 | brad | ah.. I'll need to get a better mouse then :) |
| 06:17.25 | brad | one more question..... how do you make the z axis be the vertical line? (so that it's the same as in bz) |
| 06:17.25 | delusional | you have the exporter? |
| 06:17.25 | brad | yup |
| 06:17.25 | delusional | i found a wings build especially for intel mac, if thats what you have |
| 06:17.26 | brad | no... windows :-/ |
| 06:17.26 | delusional | you could also set your import settings to a 0.01 multiplier.. |
| 06:17.26 | delusional | just make sure you multiply by 100 when you export again |
| 06:17.27 | brad | ok, thx |
| 06:17.37 | delusional | jeez, how long has that export been enabled? i think i remember something about that a loooong time ago ... |
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| 08:05.37 | brlcad | welp, CRW is playing.. but sf.net interactive node is still down so the masterban list can't be updated |
| 08:05.38 | L4m3r | where is he playing? |
| 08:05.38 | blast007 | he was on my server earlier |
| 08:05.38 | blast007 | got poll banned ;) |
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| 18:05.30 | randomparticle | hi |
| 18:05.30 | randomparticle | the ZERO_TOLERANCE change has introduced a new bug |
| 18:06.45 | randomparticle | as i mentioned before, Epsilon and ZERO_TOLERANCE are used all over the place: http://pastebin.ca/raw/360597 |
| 18:07.50 | randomparticle | it is somewhat doubtful that those two should be used in so many different contexts. for example, you might want different tolerances for time and position |
| 18:09.06 | Birdie | hmm can some one give me a decent explanation: me and another player have steamroller flag, we come close. I am dead cause he steamrolled me (no bullets involved) but he is still allive. And i know the player is fair and doesnt cheat. |
| 18:44.19 | ts | Birdie: The slower one does not get steamrolled, as far as I remember |
| 18:44.19 | Birdie | thats stupid, no? you have both sr flag, if one goes dead, it seems that you were to close, both should die always |
| 18:44.20 | ts | I think bigger parts of the code are, umm, rather strange |
| 18:44.20 | Birdie | :) |
| 18:44.20 | Chestal | Birdie: each tank has a slightly different view of the world, depending on who decides for steamroller kills, the one tan kmight live, the other die |
| 18:44.20 | Birdie | and if i want to have it better, i can always upload a patch, right?:) |
| 18:44.20 | Birdie | a tank is like a circle to hit, no? |
| 18:44.21 | Birdie | well i mean the tankradius |
| 18:44.22 | Birdie | than it shouldnt mather? |
| 18:44.22 | Chestal | I am not 100% sure about SR; but I think so, yes |
| 18:44.22 | ts | Birdie: Uploading something is easy, coding may not be and then you will still have to find someone willing to review it |
| 18:44.23 | Chestal | Birdie: it still matters, the relative positions of the tank as seen by the two players can be slightly different |
| 18:44.26 | Chestal | and each tank only does a one-way check, i.e. is enemy tank with SR within radius r -> die |
| 18:44.26 | Chestal | so each of A dies, B dies, A+B die might happen |
| 18:44.26 | Birdie | oh |
| 18:44.26 | Birdie | than its indeed possible |
| 18:44.26 | Birdie | ty |
| 18:44.26 | ts | What one could do is tracking their latency and computing where they have been at server side, then decide it at server side |
| 18:44.26 | Chestal | I amnot sure if the server does any checking, that could affect the outcome as well |
| 18:44.26 | ts | but then there is the problem that the players will see the latency.. |
| 18:44.26 | brlcad | randomparticle: what bug? |
| 18:44.26 | Chestal | it might be a good idea to let the server kill both tanks in a SR<->SR, though |
| 18:45.00 | ts | yeah, but currently there is no code to look at where a player was at a given timestamp |
| 18:45.00 | Chestal | no, I mean based on the curernt client-side detection |
| 18:45.00 | ts | "based"? |
| 18:45.00 | Chestal | I think that the server knows that the kill was by SR, not by a shot |
| 18:45.01 | ts | yes, that is broadcast |
| 18:45.01 | A-Delusion | birdie.. it's just the same as two players with shockwave.. the one moving away can get away. |
| 18:45.01 | Chestal | so it could just check whether the dying tank had SR, too |
| 18:45.01 | Chestal | and kill the other |
| 18:45.01 | ts | heh, Chestal, I think it should decide for both |
| 18:45.02 | Chestal | ts: that would require position tracking in server, though. The other is very simple change (I think) |
| 18:45.02 | ts | who guarantees the tank is correct with his kill information? |
| 18:45.03 | Chestal | and would get rid of the inconsistency |
| 18:45.03 | ts | What if we have a meanie? |
| 18:45.03 | Chestal | why shoudl anyone send that it got rolled over? |
| 18:45.05 | ts | Program a bot, only searching for SR flag and then steamroll all |
| 18:45.05 | Chestal | I am pretty sure the check is on the dying side, not killing side |
| 18:45.06 | ts | it can potentially be abused |
| 18:45.06 | Chestal | same as shot check |
| 18:45.06 | ts | yes, the bot would die, too |
| 18:45.06 | Chestal | I think this is rather esoteric |
| 18:45.07 | A-Delusion | very |
| 18:45.07 | Chestal | woudl require two tanbsk with SR flag and willingness to die to kill the other tank off |
| 18:45.42 | Chestal | there is a minor timing problem with flags grabbed/dropped just around the steamrolling time, though |
| 18:55.19 | ts | That's what I wrote |
| 18:55.19 | Chestal | hmm? |
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| 21:53.29 | demented_ | hello everybody. i need help. where are the world files located? |
| 21:54.02 | JeffM2501 | for the in game start server menu? or runing the server from the command line |
| 21:54.09 | demented_ | console |
| 21:54.19 | JeffM2501 | they can be anywhere |
| 21:54.22 | demented_ | lol |
| 21:54.24 | demented_ | thats good.. |
| 21:54.33 | JeffM2501 | you specify the path to the map with the -world option |
| 21:54.33 | demented_ | i read theyre in the worlds directory |
| 21:54.37 | demented_ | i cant find it tho.. |
| 21:54.42 | JeffM2501 | we don't ship any maps |
| 21:54.52 | demented_ | oh |
| 21:54.54 | JeffM2501 | the worlds dir is used by the internal start server thingy |
| 21:55.01 | a_meteorite | there are lots of maps on the bzbb though |
| 21:55.03 | JeffM2501 | for command line, just get a map |
| 21:55.06 | JeffM2501 | yeah from the fourms |
| 21:55.08 | demented_ | but bzflag downloaded one when i played on an internet server |
| 21:55.10 | JeffM2501 | or elsewhere |
| 21:55.18 | demented_ | ok |
| 21:55.18 | JeffM2501 | yeah it caches those |
| 21:55.24 | JeffM2501 | they arn't stored in server readable format |
| 21:55.49 | demented_ | oh, good to know. so if i download one i just need to specifiy the -world argument? |
| 21:55.50 | demented_ | gd |
| 21:55.56 | demented_ | *good |
| 21:56.21 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:56.29 | demented_ | thats great |
| 21:56.30 | demented_ | thank you |
| 21:56.32 | blast007 | at a minimum, but you probably want to adjust more settings |
| 21:56.39 | demented_ | yea, maybe |
| 21:56.41 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 21:56.44 | demented_ | wheres the configuration file located |
| 21:56.53 | JeffM2501 | wherever you put it |
| 21:56.54 | blast007 | anywhere ;) |
| 21:56.57 | JeffM2501 | same as world |
| 21:57.00 | demented_ | i dont know where i put it.. |
| 21:57.02 | JeffM2501 | the option takes a path |
| 21:57.04 | demented_ | apt installed the game for me |
| 21:57.05 | demented_ | :p |
| 21:57.10 | JeffM2501 | we don't ship a default config |
| 21:57.12 | JeffM2501 | you make one |
| 21:57.23 | JeffM2501 | it's just command line options in a file |
| 21:57.25 | JeffM2501 | one option per file |
| 21:57.29 | JeffM2501 | per line, sorry |
| 21:57.54 | blast007 | there is an example in the source tree |
| 21:58.06 | blast007 | but a 'man bzfs' will give you the info you need to set up a server |
| 21:58.25 | demented_ | ya, it does. ty |
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| 21:59.07 | Bz_Win | hola |
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| 21:59.36 | a_meteorite | hello xp |
| 22:00.15 | demented_ | okay, thanks for the help0 blast007 and JeffM2501 |
| 22:00.18 | demented_ | ill try that |
| 22:00.21 | demented_ | good bye:) |
| 22:00.22 | JeffM2501 | have fun |
| 22:00.51 | spldart | Greetings and salutations or Win one |
| 22:01.00 | spldart | s/or/oh |
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| 22:17.58 | Bz_Win | It's about 3-5kb/s per player, right? |
| 22:18.38 | blast007 | Bz_Win: depends |
| 22:18.46 | blast007 | I could run 6 players on 256kbps upstream |
| 22:18.54 | blast007 | but it's also exponential |
| 22:19.01 | spldart | oh yeah |
| 22:19.22 | blast007 | Bz_Win: what kind of bandwidth you working with? |
| 22:21.01 | a_meteorite | he's got 700kilobot/s |
| 22:21.06 | a_meteorite | *kilobit |
| 22:21.20 | CBG | killer bots?! :O |
| 22:21.25 | a_meteorite | sadly, no |
| 22:21.30 | Bz_Win | today it was 800 killerbots :) |
| 22:21.40 | a_meteorite | nice, maybe they didn't lower your speed |
| 22:21.47 | CBG | you lost 100?! o.O |
| 22:23.04 | blast007 | You see, Killbots have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them, until they reached their limit and shut down. |
| 22:23.21 | a_meteorite | hehe |
| 22:25.58 | Bz_Win | you have far too much free time |
| 22:26.17 | a_meteorite | blast007 sits and waits for lines like that ;) |
| 22:26.26 | Bz_Win | weird |
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| 22:38.03 | donny_baker | brlcad: ping |
| 22:43.08 | Bz_Win | That was weird |
| 22:43.17 | Bz_Win | Hi mets mom! |
| 22:43.38 | Bz_Win | ... |
| 22:43.49 | a_meteorite | Erm. Whoops. |
| 22:43.54 | Bz_Win | hee |
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| 22:51.54 | brlcad | donny_baker: pong |
| 22:52.09 | a_meteorite | Question everyone... |
| 22:52.20 | a_meteorite | Not to be meant as a flame war question: |
| 22:52.49 | a_meteorite | If you could serve on either BSD (specifically FreeBSD) or Linux 2.6, what would you use? This is for BZFS, Apache2, and MySQL. |
| 22:53.11 | JeffM2501 | for those, it'd probalby not matter |
| 22:53.15 | a_meteorite | ok |
| 22:53.20 | JeffM2501 | performance wise |
| 22:53.29 | a_meteorite | It's a small system, 200mhz, 128MB |
| 22:53.31 | JeffM2501 | given your probable traffic |
| 22:53.51 | CBG | Go with what your more familiar with. |
| 22:54.14 | brlcad | shouldn't matter either way, both are up to the task |
| 22:54.25 | a_meteorite | Yeah, I have a lot of experience with Linux 2.6 and just manual experience with FreeBSD but I wasn't sure how'd it do on such a limited system. |
| 22:54.26 | Tupone | go with windows, so you can show how bad is it |
| 22:54.29 | a_meteorite | lol |
| 22:56.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Makefile.am: Use CS to compile and link |
| 22:57.05 | spldart | Isn't 2.6 kernel's that aren't optimized for Pentium 1 or K6 .. Say 386 not goin to quite perform up to the speed of a 2.4 kernel optimized for those processors? |
| 22:57.47 | a_meteorite | Hmmm, that's what I wasn't sure about... 2.6 has a lot of performance improvements elsewhere. |
| 22:57.55 | Tupone | spldart: the only thing I know about 386 is that the new glibc will not support it |
| 22:58.01 | a_meteorite | For some reason I had a notion that BSD might be easier on such old hardware. |
| 22:58.34 | spldart | I find I generaly when possible stick to 2.4 for older machines specifically for the K6 or other older flavor optimizations |
| 22:58.44 | spldart | But hey.. I could be wrong |
| 22:58.47 | a_meteorite | Hehe, 2.6 won't even boot on my K6-2. |
| 22:59.05 | a_meteorite | At least on Debian. (It does with OpenSuSE, so I figure it must be something Debian specific) |
| 22:59.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (bzflag.cxx bzflag.h playing.cxx playing.h): Install bzflag in CS framework, adding CS command-line handler |
| 23:00.04 | spldart | I have 2.4.27-3-k6 and 2.6.8-3-386 on the same boxen cuz 2.6.8 was required for the wireless driver build |
| 23:14.39 | a_meteorite | Oh, yeah, this is a laptop but it'll be connected to a power supply. |
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| 23:31.54 | spldart | well... 2.6 is prolly better then |
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| 23:43.13 | Esine | hey |
| 23:43.28 | Esine | are there any other popular clients for bzflag besides the official one? |
| 23:43.37 | Esine | I'm NOT talking about those cheat things |
| 23:43.45 | Esine | but just any other alternative client (with a better UI) |
| 23:45.35 | blast007 | Esine: none that I know of at this point |
| 23:45.43 | Esine | ah.. ok |
| 23:46.41 | Esine | I'm not sure if I missed a setting there but is there a way to enable light somehow? |
| 23:46.55 | Esine | the rendering looks quite flat and it's like there's no lightning at all |
| 23:47.42 | blast007 | there is a Lighting setting in the Graphics settings |
| 23:47.51 | *** join/#bzflag view (n=view1@c-69-249-178-98.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 23:48.11 | view | hi, when I try to start a server, this comes up: |
| 23:48.18 | view | File transfer terminated with error from libcurl 28 : Operation too slow. Less than 1024 bytes/sec transfered the last 10 seconds |
| 23:48.24 | view | how can I fix that? |
| 23:48.29 | blast007 | make it faster |
| 23:48.30 | blast007 | ;) |
| 23:48.34 | view | make what faster? |
| 23:48.38 | blast007 | nothing |
| 23:48.45 | blast007 | is the firewall open? |
| 23:48.45 | brad | it might not be able to talk to the list server |
| 23:48.57 | blast007 | or to the msterban list |
| 23:49.04 | blast007 | masterban* |
| 23:49.13 | view | so.. |
| 23:49.36 | blast007 | view: you have a firewall at all? |
| 23:49.38 | view | just wait it out? |
| 23:49.41 | blast007 | on the server? |
| 23:49.43 | view | not on osx |
| 23:49.45 | view | no |
| 23:50.04 | blast007 | hmm |
| 23:50.04 | view | not that I know of.. |
| 23:50.23 | view | well does anyone else get the error? |
| 23:50.31 | brad | I get that whenever the listserver is down/slow |
| 23:50.50 | blast007 | does the server show up on the list? |
| 23:50.55 | view | nope |
| 23:52.18 | view | I can connect to it when I enter my internal IP |
| 23:52.51 | *** part/#bzflag Archangel_13 (n=kevin@207-47-199-114.regn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) |
| 23:54.12 | view | well about 10 minutes ago I was hosting the server, and my router gave out |
| 23:54.23 | view | I had to reset it, and now I get that error |
| 23:54.48 | Tupone | view: try this -> curl http://my.BZFlag.org/db/ |
| 23:54.53 | blast007 | heh, okay, check that your hostname matches the IP then |
| 23:54.58 | blast007 | my guess your IP changed |
| 23:55.16 | view | I updated it though |
| 23:55.47 | view | according to the no-ip update thing, it didn't change |
| 23:55.52 | blast007 | maybe the list server has it cached though |
| 23:55.53 | blast007 | oh |
| 23:56.24 | view | and according to whatismyip.com it didn't cahnge |
| 23:56.27 | view | change* |
| 23:56.42 | *** join/#bzflag CBG (n=CBG@about/essy/fan/CBG) |
| 23:56.47 | view | Tupone: huh? |
| 23:56.55 | view | in a terminal? |
| 23:57.03 | Tupone | nvm |
| 23:57.05 | Tupone | yeah |
| 23:57.45 | view | I get what looks to be like an html coding |
| 23:58.02 | blast007 | good, so that works then |
| 23:58.09 | blast007 | just make sure your IP matches |
| 23:58.22 | view | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/361186 |
| 23:58.31 | view | hm |
| 23:58.52 | blast007 | yeah...we don't need to see it, we know what it does |
| 23:58.58 | view | lol |
| 23:59.07 | blast007 | your IP is probably just wrong based on your -publicaddr |
| 23:59.26 | view | my -publicaddr is my no-ip url |