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| 00:49.31 | Bz_Win | Does the client or the server determine when a flag is capped? |
| 00:49.45 | JeffM2501 | depends what verison your talking about :) |
| 00:49.51 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.x client |
| 00:49.54 | Bz_Win | 2.0.x |
| 00:49.54 | JeffM2501 | 2.1 server |
| 00:49.57 | Bz_Win | ah |
| 00:49.58 | Bz_Win | k |
| 00:50.44 | Bz_Win | hm, weird. Whenever I cap something there is almost a .5 second delay |
| 00:52.22 | spldart | oop |
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| 00:55.45 | Bz_Win | later |
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| 01:25.42 | JeffM2501 | ibot bzcvs |
| 01:25.49 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P bzflag (this is for HEAD ie: 2.1 see also bz20cvs) |
| 01:26.22 | JeffM2501 | ibot no bzcvs is http://my.bzflag.org/wiki/index.php/BZFlag_CVS |
| 01:26.25 | ibot | JeffM2501: okay |
| 01:30.38 | Flash | that's a lot of info, but the one-line command was nice |
| 01:32.22 | JeffM2501 | ibot bzcvs is also cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P bzflag |
| 01:32.23 | ibot | okay, JeffM2501 |
| 01:32.26 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 01:33.01 | JeffM2501 | ibot bzcvs |
| 01:33.10 | ibot | i guess bzcvs is http://my.bzflag.org/wiki/index.php/BZFlag_CVS, or cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P bzflag |
| 01:33.10 | JeffM2501 | tho for anon you need 2 lines, not just that one |
| 01:33.10 | JeffM2501 | so it's somewhat missleading |
| 01:36.39 | Flash | but you only have to do the first one one time |
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| 03:36.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/plugins/chathistory/chathistory.cpp: /last not /list |
| 03:37.25 | brlcad | odd |
| 03:37.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/chathistory/chathistory.cpp: /last not /list |
| 03:38.16 | brlcad | cvs head, if I turn off energy saver, i can no longer drive.. sputters depending on input |
| 03:38.31 | brlcad | regardless of mouse or keys even |
| 03:39.37 | brlcad | with energy saver on, all is fine |
| 03:40.21 | JBdiGriz | Is that any version, or one specific version? |
| 03:42.36 | JBdiGriz | Seems fine on 2.0 branch |
| 03:42.50 | brlcad | cvs head |
| 03:43.04 | JBdiGriz | MacOS? |
| 03:43.08 | brlcad | yep |
| 03:43.42 | brlcad | i imagine it's got to be some sort of input-change or dt framerate change |
| 03:44.08 | brlcad | since that's the only difference between energy saver on and off is a change in framerate |
| 03:44.40 | brlcad | i hadn't noticed a commit related to framerate recently, hrm |
| 03:44.42 | JBdiGriz | It shouldn't affect it when the CPU is busy. |
| 03:46.18 | brlcad | i mean the only logical change that happens when energy saver is on is that it injects a pause/sleep in the client loop so that dt is some minimum to maintain a given framerate (50fps in this instance) .. if I turn it off, framerate would otherwise jump over 500 or more.. but the client goes all nuts |
| 03:58.03 | brlcad | interesting.. |
| 03:58.31 | brlcad | the problems seem to begin at almost exactly 198 fps, getting progressively worse the higher the fps |
| 03:58.53 | brlcad | (determined by trying various /localset fpsLimit values) |
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| 04:53.14 | daniel_jackson | hey mets you there? |
| 04:53.41 | daniel_jackson | I mean a_meteorite |
| 04:53.48 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 04:54.05 | a_meteorite | not much longer though |
| 04:54.05 | daniel_jackson | lets go to PM and talk |
| 04:54.09 | a_meteorite | k |
| 05:00.52 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/defaultBZDB.cxx: add a debug setting called debugNewAngVel for debugging the angular velocity dampening in LocalPlayer |
| 05:14.51 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (LocalPlayer.cxx LocalPlayer.h): (log message trimmed) |
| 05:14.51 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: rewrite the keyboard angular velocity dampening to take into consideration the |
| 05:14.52 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: current framerate. this allows for consistent dampening regardless of client |
| 05:14.52 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: framerate (whereas before, high framerates become practically instant and low |
| 05:14.52 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: framerates unbearable). we ditch the prior method that converged increasingly |
| 05:14.54 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: slower towards the desired rate and now actually accelerate towards the desired |
| 05:14.56 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: rate within some configurable timeframe. |
| 05:17.52 | brlcad | ~spell dampening |
| 05:18.36 | brlcad | heh |
| 05:19.53 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/NEWS: framerate independent keyboard turn dampening, thx to randomparticle for the motivation and overall approach |
| 05:20.28 | JeffM2501 | I would be forced to kill you and wear your skin as a suit |
| 05:20.35 | brlcad | hehe |
| 05:21.07 | JeffM2501 | I documented the freaking VERSIONS for cripes sake :) |
| 05:21.27 | JeffM2501 | as well as every map editor I can think of |
| 05:21.42 | brlcad | i think it's pretty clear that the new wiki has already kicked the old wiki's ass |
| 05:21.53 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 05:22.01 | JeffM2501 | I've been cleaning up as a move stuff over too |
| 05:22.15 | JeffM2501 | and adding pictures |
| 05:22.15 | brlcad | i'm really curious to see how the kids run off with it |
| 05:22.29 | JeffM2501 | like the page on the "box" has an image of what a box look like |
| 05:22.37 | brlcad | not the dev kids, but the player kiddies ;) |
| 05:22.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah I know |
| 05:22.45 | brlcad | yeah, i saw .. nifty :) |
| 05:23.18 | JeffM2501 | I think if we spend a week and flesh it out, it'll be usefull and extendable by them |
| 05:23.38 | brlcad | i'd be worried about some of the content getting out of sync, but given how easy it is to edit.. just doesn't matter -- they'll keep it up |
| 05:23.47 | brlcad | it'll be easier to get a critical mass |
| 05:23.49 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 05:24.20 | brlcad | especially if it can remain open to anonymous edits, but that's still tbd |
| 05:25.32 | JeffM2501 | I've been trying to keep my style like wikipedia, overview, then data about the thing |
| 05:43.25 | brlcad | tis a good style |
| 05:44.18 | brlcad | wikipedia also has a summary template that we could adopt for adding a "here's the gist of this page" summary if even the summaries get too detailed |
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| 14:30.48 | delusional_ | I'm editing the default conf for donny_baker and the new wiki, there's one thing i don't understand, and never did. |
| 14:31.04 | delusional_ | from the "old" sample conf |
| 14:31.07 | delusional_ | # When -c is supplied, this option randomly rotates the buildings. |
| 14:31.28 | delusional_ | -c also enables capture the flag mode |
| 14:31.36 | delusional_ | what am i missing? |
| 14:34.42 | delusional_ | what's the correct option for randomly rotated boxes, is what I'm asking, I guess. |
| 14:35.44 | TheRedBaron | delusional_: afaik, they already are randomly rotated |
| 14:36.37 | delusional_ | Is it a leftover from previous versions, no longer needed? |
| 14:36.51 | ts | delusional_: Look at man page |
| 14:38.20 | delusional_ | -cr is what I'm looking for? |
| 14:38.41 | ts | That is building density |
| 14:38.48 | ts | Randomness is -b IIRC |
| 14:39.21 | TheRedBaron | delusional_: was just about to tell you that |
| 14:39.46 | delusional_ | -b isnt on the manpage |
| 14:40.47 | ts | Well, I'm going to test -b then ;) |
| 14:42.08 | TheRedBaron | -cr isn't building density |
| 14:42.31 | TheRedBaron | -cr means capture the claf, with the "r" meaning random world |
| 14:42.35 | TheRedBaron | *flag |
| 14:43.10 | ts | The -b switch is availble for bzfs |
| 14:43.40 | ts | In a quick test it did not change anything when specifying a hardcoded map file |
| 14:44.39 | Chestal | -b is for the ordered maps created by -c I think |
| 14:46.02 | ts | Source code says -b is for randomly orientated buildings, so my brain was right |
| 14:46.20 | delusional_ | -b isnt mentioned n the "old" sample conf |
| 14:46.33 | Chestal | -b is in the man page |
| 14:46.48 | delusional_ | I'll go ahead and add it. |
| 14:46.50 | Chestal | it's rarely used as is the predefined CTF map |
| 14:46.57 | ts | http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi?bzfs.6.in doesn't list it (but that is a really old one) |
| 14:47.06 | Chestal | are you using the predefined map that -c gives you? |
| 14:47.31 | ts | Chestal, I tried with -world ;) |
| 14:47.55 | Chestal | it's really only for -c -b without a custom map |
| 14:48.50 | delusional_ | b is "balanced? |
| 14:49.03 | ts | Yes, the man page says it only works with -c |
| 14:49.17 | delusional_ | so I should put two options.... |
| 14:49.20 | Chestal | delusional_: when you use -c without -world, you get a predefined map |
| 14:49.23 | ts | I have the sourcecode on the other account so I looked at the moldy web one |
| 14:49.25 | delusional_ | -cr and -cb |
| 14:49.47 | Chestal | delusional_: a pattern of buildings. When you add -b to that, you get the same pattern, are buildings are rotated randomly |
| 14:50.02 | delusional_ | capture-random and -capture-balanced |
| 14:50.04 | Chestal | delusional_: if you want a fully random map for CTF, just use -cr |
| 14:50.10 | delusional_ | does -cb work? |
| 14:50.15 | Chestal | what's balanced? |
| 14:50.56 | delusional_ | I think that's the word I saw for it somewhere.. a balanced map |
| 14:51.06 | TheRedBaron | Chestal: i think its a bit deprecated |
| 14:51.10 | delusional_ | it's equal on all 4 quadrants |
| 14:51.14 | TheRedBaron | remember, how random maps weren't always balanced? |
| 14:51.26 | TheRedBaron | as in one side of the map would have more buildings then the others |
| 14:51.38 | Chestal | random CTF maps are always created symmetrical, for 2 or 4 bases |
| 14:52.00 | TheRedBaron | Chestal: I could be wrong, but I dont' think they always where |
| 14:52.10 | delusional_ | so it's a balanced random map too... |
| 14:52.23 | Chestal | maybe not in the beginning, but that must have been at least two major revisions ago |
| 14:52.43 | Chestal | delusional_: just use -cr, and possibly -density # |
| 14:53.05 | delusional_ | is -cb a valid option? |
| 15:03.08 | Chestal | delusional_: ehm, no |
| 15:05.06 | delusional_ | i think if buildings are rotated randomly and balanced by default, the entire point is moot, and I could just remove the whole thing. |
| 15:05.37 | delusional_ | I should replace it with -b |
| 15:06.30 | Chestal | it depends on what you want. If you want a random CTF map, use -cr |
| 15:07.08 | delusional_ | and the -c that I mentioned originally, is really -b |
| 15:08.37 | Chestal | best is if you try it :-) -c / -c -b / -cr |
| 15:28.41 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03chestal 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.cxx: erroneous ] |
| 15:35.59 | Erroneous | ] |
| 15:36.20 | brlcad | :) |
| 15:51.56 | delusional_ | ...hmmm what should I add to describe plugins. |
| 15:53.54 | donny_baker | in the default config? |
| 15:54.09 | delusional_ | yeah |
| 15:55.21 | donny_baker | how about just an example that is commented out... use one that is included in the CVS |
| 15:56.00 | delusional_ | I still need a paragraph describing. |
| 15:56.02 | brlcad | http://fisheye1.cenqua.com/browse/bzflag |
| 15:56.31 | *** topic/#bzflag by brlcad -> http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || Paste to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9453 || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || http://fisheye1.cenqua.com/browse/bzflag |
| 15:56.35 | brlcad | more stats fun |
| 15:57.18 | *** topic/#bzflag by brlcad -> http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || Paste to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9453 || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || http://fisheye1.cenqua.com/browse/bzflag/bzflag |
| 15:57.32 | brlcad | more informative to limit it to the bzflag module |
| 16:25.41 | brlcad | swank! http://freshmeat.net/projects/wt2db/ |
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| 17:44.54 | JeffM2501 | donny_baker, good job on the wiki, I think we just give it a week and fiil it in and then call it live :) |
| 17:46.17 | donny_baker | jeffm2501: Thanks... and thank you for creating over 35 pages yesterday :) |
| 17:46.23 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 17:46.31 | JeffM2501 | I'm gonna do some more today if I can |
| 17:46.46 | JeffM2501 | I want to finish the plugins and start redoing the API part |
| 17:46.50 | brlcad | not a big deal, but reason to wait on filling it? |
| 17:47.11 | JeffM2501 | sorry I mean give it a week while we fill it in |
| 17:47.14 | JeffM2501 | bad english |
| 17:47.23 | JeffM2501 | fill it in for a week before we announce it |
| 17:47.25 | brlcad | er, my bad english too |
| 17:47.32 | brlcad | that's what I meant -- why wait? |
| 17:47.47 | JeffM2501 | the fuller it is when we announce the more people will use it I think |
| 17:47.55 | brlcad | i mean, there is the kiddie factor and cleanup -- but might get more involvement off the bat |
| 17:47.57 | JeffM2501 | and the better we can establish a framework |
| 17:48.17 | JeffM2501 | maybe not a week, but I'd like to at least see the major sections have something |
| 17:48.20 | donny_baker | yes, many people are intimidated if they aren't sure where to put stuff |
| 17:48.22 | JeffM2501 | just my idea tho |
| 17:48.33 | brlcad | i'm fine with that, just wondering |
| 17:48.37 | donny_baker | and the more we have the better they will see the layout |
| 17:48.47 | JeffM2501 | it's more easy to fill into a framework then to blase new ground :) |
| 17:48.54 | brlcad | sorta the same difference between "release when we're stable" and "release early/often" approach ;) |
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| 17:49.25 | JeffM2501 | we also want it to be better then the old wiki, so It would be nice to at least have the old pages moved over |
| 17:49.37 | donny_baker | that was one of my biggest concerns... i would prefer not to play article cop to much.. moving stuff here and there |
| 17:49.40 | brlcad | heh, i think it's already better even content-wise |
| 17:49.52 | donny_baker | brlcad: I would agree :) |
| 17:49.54 | brlcad | some of that stuff doesn't need to migrate |
| 17:50.02 | halo3 | hi |
| 17:50.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah some does not |
| 17:50.48 | halo3 | hi donny |
| 17:51.32 | donny_baker | halo3: howdy |
| 17:52.00 | JeffM2501 | did you see the tank page? |
| 17:52.41 | donny_baker | no i didn't but it is quite nice |
| 17:53.06 | donny_baker | did you use the utility links2004 made to get the images? |
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| 17:54.31 | JeffM2501 | oh god no |
| 17:55.51 | JeffM2501 | that's just the obj file for the tank |
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| 17:57.08 | donny_baker | you have an obj... blast was talking about making one earlier today on another channel IIRC |
| 17:58.46 | ts | JeffM2501: The flag idea list is now finished |
| 17:59.05 | ts | What about the navigational things of bzflag.org? |
| 17:59.22 | ts | GettingHelp is in old wiki, too.. |
| 17:59.46 | brlcad | ts: I saw, nice work |
| 18:00.09 | ts | Lots of copy 'n paste |
| 18:00.20 | brlcad | that I didn't have to do, excellent ;) |
| 18:00.58 | ts | tnx |
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| 18:02.24 | donny_baker | ~seen H0ley |
| 18:02.49 | ibot | h0ley <n=H0ley@adsl-69-228-210-78.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 22d 15h 4m 3s ago, saying: 'I was looking for the windows installer'. |
| 18:03.00 | ts | but the main point is that the design has to change |
| 18:04.03 | donny_baker | ts: now that you are done... i was thinking |
| 18:04.37 | BZProblem | hello there, i have a problem playing BZFlag, it always crashes after ...yeh... 2 or 3 minutes gaming. My System: Ubuntu Linux 6.10 on a 500 mhz computer with around 470 mb ram and no graphic-card. please help! |
| 18:05.23 | donny_baker | Should we call it Proposed Flags List? |
| 18:05.35 | ts | No idea |
| 18:05.49 | ts | Maybe FlagSuggestions |
| 18:06.01 | donny_baker | ah.. its called Flag Ideas.. with a redirect from Flag List |
| 18:06.17 | donny_baker | that is ok then I think |
| 18:06.20 | ts | The flag list should be current flags |
| 18:06.42 | donny_baker | yes... I was confused by the redirect |
| 18:07.21 | ts | someone else(tm) did the redirect |
| 18:07.27 | BZProblem | anyone abled to help? |
| 18:07.34 | BZProblem | hello? |
| 18:08.17 | TheRedBaron | BZProblem: you have a graphics card, othwerise you wouldnt' be seeing anything |
| 18:08.33 | TheRedBaron | what graphic card do you have? even if its integrated |
| 18:08.57 | ts | TheRedBaron, I think card means you can put it in and out ;) |
| 18:09.17 | ts | sadly hard to say what causes the problems |
| 18:09.18 | BZProblem | i have on-board graphic-chips :P |
| 18:09.36 | BZProblem | on a jurassicly old motherboard |
| 18:10.26 | TheRedBaron | yea, figured it was a technicality |
| 18:10.43 | BZProblem | its from 1994 or something like that :-S |
| 18:10.46 | TheRedBaron | graphic card/chip interchangable |
| 18:10.57 | TheRedBaron | BZProblem: have you run bz before this? |
| 18:11.00 | ts | donny_baker, I copy the parts from man page to FlagList |
| 18:12.05 | BZProblem | how before? |
| 18:13.51 | TheRedBaron | is this your first time playing bz? |
| 18:14.04 | TheRedBaron | because with 12 year old hardware... i'm doubting that you have ever run it |
| 18:14.16 | BZProblem | i ever had this problem with BZFlag 2.0.8 on this machine here ^^ there was no before |
| 18:14.18 | BZProblem | i often play bz on better computers |
| 18:14.29 | redsoxfan90 | BZProblem: was there problems compiling? |
| 18:15.02 | redsoxfan90 | BZFlag ran fine on my ubuntu :), but i didn't have old hardware.. |
| 18:15.09 | BZProblem | no |
| 18:15.11 | BZProblem | the only problem is to play for a longer time than 2 minutes |
| 18:15.23 | BZProblem | installing bzflag was no problem |
| 18:15.35 | redsoxfan90 | hmm no clue. |
| 18:16.58 | blast007 | BZProblem: when you start the game, what does it say for the video card at the bottom? Mesa Indirect or somesuch? |
| 18:18.15 | BZProblem | erm |
| 18:18.44 | BZProblem | didnt looked for such thing, wait |
| 18:18.50 | BZProblem | "testing performance: lowest quality" |
| 18:20.29 | donny_baker | ts: I removed the redirect from FlagList and just added a link to your page :) |
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| 18:21.42 | ts | donny_baker, Aww, I am currently editing FlagList |
| 18:22.05 | BZProblem | well, may i should not try to play bzflag on this computer any more :-S |
| 18:22.05 | BZProblem | thanks for your help |
| 18:22.05 | BZProblem | CyA |
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| 18:22.34 | ts | Tupone: We have a new wiki ;) |
| 18:22.44 | Tupone | eek! where? |
| 18:23.26 | ts | pm |
| 18:23.50 | ts | That looks like MediaWiki, AFAIK |
| 18:25.00 | Tupone | yeah, good. I like it |
| 18:25.07 | ts | AOL :) |
| 18:25.42 | donny_baker | ts: that should still work.. i think |
| 18:25.48 | ts | ~donny_baker++ |
| 18:25.58 | brlcad | Tupone: http://my.bzflag.org/wiki/ |
| 18:26.12 | Tupone | yeah, I'm in |
| 18:28.55 | TheRedBaron | donny_baker: is there a spot for the tactic wiki i showed you? |
| 18:29.54 | donny_baker | TheRedBaron: yeah... there is a Category for tactics |
| 18:30.35 | donny_baker | just add [[Category:Tactics]] at the bottom of the page(s) |
| 18:30.55 | donny_baker | or resend me the link... cause my pc crashed and i lost my IRC logs |
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| 18:33.27 | ts | donny_baker, brlcad: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/363830 |
| 18:34.00 | ts | When the wiki detected that donny changed it while I was still editing it and trying to save mine |
| 18:35.29 | Manu | is not multiuser ready ;) |
| 18:36.03 | brlcad | ts: thx, good to know |
| 18:46.45 | ts | JeffM2501, maybe that fits the new tactics section: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=10238 |
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| 18:55.17 | donny_baker | ts: thanks... should be fixed now. changed a setting the the LocalSettings.php file that was missing |
| 18:56.27 | donny_baker | i had noticed to that when i upgraded to the latest version on saturday that the history page didn't always work |
| 18:56.34 | donny_baker | but I had no error to go off of |
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| 18:58.55 | rr72 | is there a way to get the server working with UPnP? since i don't know the password to the router and this way i can have the router map the ports automagicly |
| 18:59.51 | rr72 | i used to know the router pw but we switched routers and yjr old pw was too long |
| 19:01.58 | JeffM2501 | bzflag does only basic networking |
| 19:02.12 | JeffM2501 | it will listen on the port you specifiy for both UDP and TCP packets |
| 19:02.22 | JeffM2501 | it has not UPnP support |
| 19:04.23 | JeffM2501 | and honestly, can't you just reset the router to it's defaults and reconfigure it? |
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| 19:11.48 | brlcad | donny_baker I also put diff3 in an accessible location |
| 19:12.22 | TD-Linux | wow the bzflag wiki is really expanding rapidly |
| 19:13.27 | ts | JeffM2501: Why are uploads with extension dmg not allowed at bzbb= |
| 19:13.59 | JeffM2501 | same answer as most of your questions like that |
| 19:14.03 | JeffM2501 | because noone set it up |
| 19:14.08 | ts | sigh |
| 19:15.33 | donny_baker | brlcad: thanks |
| 19:15.36 | ts | I was today trying to upload a 16MB file to bzbb, first it all uploaded, then I got "extension dmg not allowed", then I zipped and transfered the whole thing again which resulted into a "Uploads bigger than 1MB are not allowed" |
| 19:15.51 | JeffM2501 | yeah we arn't a host for big files |
| 19:15.55 | ts | JeffM2501: Can you set it up? |
| 19:15.58 | JeffM2501 | I set it up |
| 19:16.03 | ts | tnx |
| 19:16.05 | JeffM2501 | but it ain't gonna be larger then 1 meg |
| 19:16.07 | JeffM2501 | what is it? |
| 19:16.25 | brlcad | why doesn't ts fix the things he asks questions about instead of asking.. *sigh* ;) |
| 19:16.34 | ts | A dmg for a little preview of 2.1.x |
| 19:16.43 | JeffM2501 | then it should be hosted in beta.bzflag.bz |
| 19:16.46 | ts | brlcad: I am no forum admin ;) |
| 19:16.47 | JeffM2501 | not an atachment |
| 19:17.00 | ts | no access |
| 19:17.06 | JeffM2501 | that is easy to fix :) |
| 19:17.27 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, can you set him up so he can upload to the beta site please? :) |
| 19:17.56 | ts | It was because someone said it wouldn't work. Turned out it was not my PPC part glued to the x86 one |
| 19:18.33 | JeffM2501 | hey, if you want to build mac builds for users, fine by me :) |
| 19:18.49 | JeffM2501 | just slap em in the appropriate folder |
| 19:19.01 | JeffM2501 | there is a dir for 2.0.x and one for 2.1.x |
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| 19:36.34 | rr72 | can i search the wiki or no? |
| 19:36.46 | a_meteorite | Yes you can. |
| 19:37.14 | brlcad | rr72: you're not allowed |
| 19:37.16 | brlcad | just you |
| 19:37.20 | rr72 | ? |
| 19:37.26 | rr72 | i see no where says search |
| 19:37.36 | CBG | well, his whole IP adress, brlcad :) |
| 19:37.40 | rr72 | lol is at the bottom |
| 19:37.50 | rr72 | who puts search at the bottom? |
| 19:37.53 | CBG | I don't see "lol" _anywhere_. |
| 19:38.50 | rr72 | UPnP doesnt work with bzflag? |
| 19:39.15 | JeffM2501 | no it does not |
| 19:39.17 | donny_baker | didn't you ask that earlier? |
| 19:39.33 | CBG | yeah, he did, donny_baker, about 25 seconds ago. |
| 19:39.58 | rr72 | i asked that over half an houra go |
| 19:40.13 | JeffM2501 | and we gave you an answer |
| 19:40.28 | donny_baker | and the developers haven't added support for it since then ;) |
| 19:40.28 | CBG | and: [7:02pm] <JeffM2501> it has no UPnP support |
| 19:40.47 | rr72 | for some reason hes ignored |
| 19:41.13 | JeffM2501 | you should probably fix that then if you want help :) |
| 19:41.26 | CBG | You don't see: [7:35pm] <JeffM2501> rr72: I am adding UPnP support right now! |
| 19:41.41 | rr72 | CBG~ i don't see anything hes typing |
| 19:41.51 | rr72 | so no i don't see that and no i couldnt see that |
| 19:41.56 | a_meteorite | Then maybe he's ignored. |
| 19:41.57 | CBG | /unignore JeffM2501 |
| 19:42.07 | CBG | a_meteorite: "[7:40pm] <rr72> for some reason hes ignored" |
| 19:42.08 | rr72 | a_meteorite~ he is |
| 19:42.20 | JeffM2501 | this guy ain't too bright is he? |
| 19:42.37 | CBG | I totally agree, he's very smart. |
| 19:42.40 | a_meteorite | CBG: No really? I see that now. |
| 19:42.58 | redsoxfan90 | lol... |
| 19:43.14 | brlcad | is he complaining about the wiki not having content?? |
| 19:45.47 | donny_baker | old wiki i think |
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| 19:47.45 | a_meteorite | The old wiki has content. ;) Just not as much as some would want. |
| 19:48.50 | TD-Linux | who wants to fix my brand-new Category:Installing ? |
| 19:54.46 | TD-Linux | ... why do we suffix things with (Object) if there is nothing to disambiguate them from? |
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| 19:56.15 | ts | TD-Linux: There is already Installing belonging to client and server, why do we need an Installing_on_Linux? |
| 19:57.02 | TD-Linux | I changed my mind about Installing... it doesn't make sense to have all the different OS'es on one page, I think |
| 19:57.22 | TD-Linux | And it doesn't fit with the rest of the category structure of the wiki... like 'Compiling' |
| 19:58.01 | TD-Linux | I would like the page named 'Installing' (NOT Category:Installing) to be deleted... if anyone here can |
| 19:59.06 | CBG | Why not have "/Installing/BZFS/Windows", for example...? |
| 20:00.04 | TD-Linux | ... but BZFS & BZFlag come together... |
| 20:00.05 | TD-Linux | well |
| 20:00.27 | CBG | So... /Installing/Windows for example. |
| 20:00.49 | TD-Linux | I think a category for Installing, then a bunch of other ones like Installing_on_mypwnsomeBSD |
| 20:00.51 | CBG | No need for Whatever:Etc type stuff imho. |
| 20:01.07 | TD-Linux | yeah, I hate fake namespaces too :) |
| 20:01.31 | TD-Linux | I guess the difference between Installing/Windows and Installing_on_Windows isn't much :) |
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| 20:17.08 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (MainWindow.h bzflag.cxx): Completing the removal of old joystick code |
| 20:24.09 | donny_baker | wiki: Flag List formatted into tables - completed |
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| 20:56.03 | donny_baker | TD-Linux: ping |
| 20:56.44 | TD-Linux | donny_baker: pong |
| 21:08.16 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (bzflag.cxx bzflag.h): Continue Removing of joystick |
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| 21:44.04 | JeffM2501 | what ever happend with the ignore guy? |
| 21:44.16 | a_meteorite | I guess he gave up? |
| 21:44.48 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: anything else that the wiki could desperately need? |
| 21:44.56 | JeffM2501 | stuff |
| 21:44.58 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 21:45.06 | a_meteorite | I better register |
| 21:45.07 | JeffM2501 | whatever you can think of |
| 21:45.08 | CBG | thing. |
| 21:45.15 | CBG | things*. |
| 21:45.18 | JeffM2501 | or port over stuf from the old wiki that you think makes sense |
| 21:45.48 | JeffM2501 | just do your best to make the articles impartial and based on facts. |
| 21:46.04 | JeffM2501 | I know that a lot of the map objects need to still be done |
| 21:46.13 | a_meteorite | alright |
| 21:46.15 | JeffM2501 | that's mostly work pulling stuff form the man pages |
| 21:46.17 | donny_baker | a-meteroite: help pages are fully fleshed out for wiki formating if you need it |
| 21:46.25 | CBG | I noticed that also, was gonna work on that soon. |
| 21:46.33 | CBG | (map objects) |
| 21:46.33 | donny_baker | the old pages don't always copy and paste in nice |
| 21:46.38 | JeffM2501 | also I'm sure there should be pages on the various server networks and leauges. |
| 21:47.03 | JeffM2501 | some ports of the "how to start a server" stuff would be good |
| 21:47.13 | JeffM2501 | as well as how and why to run a public server |
| 21:47.35 | a_meteorite | k |
| 21:47.39 | JeffM2501 | I've been trying to follow the wikipedia style |
| 21:47.53 | JeffM2501 | overview, sections, see also, external links. etc... |
| 21:47.57 | a_meteorite | all this time I've used wikis and never edited one, heh :) |
| 21:48.17 | JeffM2501 | usualy I'll just copy the guts from an existing page and repalace the text when doing a new one. |
| 21:48.20 | CBG | I'd think it was worthwhile adding details about /localset either at http://my.bzflag.org/wiki/index.php/Client_Commands or on it's own page, but I'm too much of a n00b to do it myself. |
| 21:48.39 | a_meteorite | k |
| 21:49.00 | JeffM2501 | CBG, start it, add what you know, otehrs will expand it later :) |
| 21:49.29 | CBG | I only ever set my fps limit to 50 and don't even remember how I did that. It'd be the shortest article you ever saw. :| |
| 21:49.37 | a_meteorite | /localset fpsLimit 50 |
| 21:49.47 | CBG | Yeah, that. |
| 21:49.50 | JeffM2501 | as short as? http://my.bzflag.org/wiki/index.php/World_units |
| 21:49.59 | JeffM2501 | cus that's prety freaking short |
| 21:50.03 | CBG | Shorter. :P |
| 21:50.11 | JeffM2501 | some pages are simple definitions of terms, and that's ok |
| 21:50.24 | CBG | But there's nothing more to say about WU... and a LOT to say about /localset, I believe. |
| 21:50.38 | JeffM2501 | well start it, it has to start somewhere :) |
| 21:50.45 | CBG | "/localset is an in-game client command to change local settings." |
| 21:50.52 | JeffM2501 | some examples include..... |
| 21:50.56 | JeffM2501 | bam, that starts it :) |
| 21:51.11 | CBG | ""An example includes: /localset fpsLimit #." |
| 21:51.17 | JeffM2501 | there ya go |
| 21:52.25 | CBG | Gah, after all this, it's in http://my.bzflag.org/wiki/index.php/Client_Commands anyway, just sticking out to the right... the table is borked. |
| 21:52.37 | brlcad | they should be just annotative |
| 21:52.52 | a_meteorite | gah, wiki language is confusing me :| |
| 21:52.53 | JeffM2501 | yeah, I'm not sure if they are the best |
| 21:53.58 | a_meteorite | yeah, I might have to revert to donny_baker's rev |
| 21:53.58 | JeffM2501 | but I was just going with the flow |
| 21:53.58 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, rememeber the preview button :) |
| 21:53.58 | brlcad | the categories are fine as is.. you'd still tag all that content as those categories |
| 21:53.58 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: yeah, I'll remember that :) |
| 21:53.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah, but I don't think a list of categories is the best for the main page |
| 21:53.58 | a_meteorite | now I'm figuring out why localset's row is not the same as the others |
| 21:53.59 | brlcad | the only difference would be to also make pages for each of those categories and have them be on the main page instead (or linked elsewhere) |
| 21:54.11 | brlcad | e.g. an actual "Development" page |
| 21:54.15 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 21:54.27 | brlcad | something to just work towards.. there's probably months of effort needed ;) |
| 21:54.34 | CBG | fixed Client_Commands table |
| 21:54.37 | JeffM2501 | check the map making one, I added more guts to it, so it looks like a page. |
| 21:54.44 | CBG | a_meteorite: fixed. |
| 21:54.52 | a_meteorite | lol, I just fixed it too |
| 21:54.53 | CBG | was just some missing "|-"s |
| 21:55.24 | CBG | eh, my edit didn't even register. |
| 21:55.35 | a_meteorite | maybe mine overrided yours? |
| 21:55.46 | brlcad | the whole Maps section (2 team, 4 team, etc) just begs for a Template |
| 21:55.57 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 21:56.01 | brlcad | as do flags and commands and options.. |
| 21:56.13 | JeffM2501 | double indeed |
| 21:56.15 | brlcad | (if there are individual pages, that is) |
| 21:56.20 | JeffM2501 | I don't like the way I did options |
| 21:56.25 | JeffM2501 | I prefer the layout from commands |
| 21:56.29 | JeffM2501 | I'd like that for all of them |
| 21:56.35 | a_meteorite | this is quite a learning process |
| 21:56.56 | JeffM2501 | I want to redo the flag ideas one |
| 21:57.05 | JeffM2501 | break it into actual sections |
| 21:57.18 | JeffM2501 | and provide a better description of the whyfors and whitertoos |
| 21:58.10 | a_meteorite | adding broken global login (cause of proxies) to Common Support Issues |
| 22:01.32 | TD-Linux | on the wiki, why does things like waterLevel have an (object) after it, when there is nothing else to conflict with it? |
| 22:02.20 | a_meteorite | how should one "quote" something (specifically an error message)? |
| 22:02.47 | a_meteorite | specifically |
| 22:02.48 | a_meteorite | ERROR: Did not get token: |
| 22:02.48 | a_meteorite | NOTOK: Invalid callsign or password |
| 22:03.18 | donny_baker | could put it on a seperate line begining with a space |
| 22:03.36 | a_meteorite | k |
| 22:03.41 | donny_baker | makes it kind of look like a quote on the forums (with a boz around it) |
| 22:04.05 | brlcad | TD-Linux: if i had to guess, because some of the objects did conflict and it was easier to just put it on all of them to be consistent |
| 22:04.09 | donny_baker | of you could make it italics with '' or bold ''' or bold italics ''''' |
| 22:04.09 | a_meteorite | ah, thank you |
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| 22:05.22 | brlcad | ~donny_baker++ |
| 22:05.32 | TD-Linux | I can't really think of any that would... oh well |
| 22:05.52 | brlcad | TD-Linux: then fix it? |
| 22:06.00 | KAIRE | RAGAZZI SCUSATE MA HO BISOGNO DI AIUTO SU BZ FLAG PARLATE ITALIANO?'VRREI SAPER EUN'INFORMAZIONE |
| 22:06.03 | TD-Linux | JeffM2501: is that okay? |
| 22:06.04 | brlcad | that's the point of a wiki isn't it ;) |
| 22:06.13 | KAIRE | YOU SPIEK ITALIAN?? |
| 22:06.19 | brlcad | KAIRE: si, un po |
| 22:06.20 | TD-Linux | I would change it, I just wanted to know if it was done for a particular reason |
| 22:06.21 | KAIRE | SPIKE* |
| 22:06.28 | KAIRE | HO BISOGNO DI AIUTO |
| 22:06.33 | KAIRE | COME SI USANO I MISSILI? |
| 22:06.35 | brlcad | KAIRE: parla con Tupone |
| 22:06.41 | a_meteorite | ... |
| 22:06.45 | brlcad | and turn off the damn caps lock :) |
| 22:06.46 | KAIRE | VI PREGO |
| 22:06.50 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, because the word WaterLevel may mean something else that may later gets it's own page |
| 22:06.54 | JeffM2501 | box can only be an object |
| 22:06.59 | Tupone | KAIRE: qual'e' il problema? |
| 22:07.04 | KAIRE | ALLORA |
| 22:07.09 | a_meteorite | donny_baker: what about the equivalent to an <ol> ? |
| 22:07.14 | KAIRE | VORREI SAPERE KOME SI USANO I MISSILI |
| 22:07.22 | Tupone | KAIRE: togli le maiuscole, danno fastidio :) |
| 22:07.28 | KAIRE | ok |
| 22:07.32 | brlcad | hehe |
| 22:07.36 | a_meteorite | even better, if you know of a page that has wiki formatting explained... |
| 22:07.41 | KAIRE | come si usano i missili?' |
| 22:07.42 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, it's to help with disambiguation, like in the world "options" |
| 22:07.48 | brlcad | ~tupone++ |
| 22:07.48 | Tupone | con il tasto destro del mouse |
| 22:07.53 | TD-Linux | JeffM2501: how about we leave them without the (object) and only change them when there is actually another page like that? |
| 22:07.56 | KAIRE | :s |
| 22:07.58 | Tupone | selezioni il bersaglio |
| 22:08.07 | a_meteorite | Tupone: you italian? :) |
| 22:08.07 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, rather get it right the first time :) |
| 22:08.08 | Tupone | poi spari |
| 22:08.08 | KAIRE | come lo seleziono?' |
| 22:08.18 | a_meteorite | or learned italian? |
| 22:08.35 | Tupone | selezioni quello che e' davanti a te |
| 22:08.42 | Tupone | se non c'e' ti sposti |
| 22:08.43 | KAIRE | e come si seleziona? |
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| 22:08.54 | Tupone | con il tasto destro del mouse |
| 22:08.54 | KAIRE | quello e il problema |
| 22:08.55 | a_meteorite | oh man, it's CRW |
| 22:09.06 | KAIRE | io ho mac |
| 22:09.10 | KAIRE | il mio mouse |
| 22:09.10 | TD-Linux | JeffM2501: The only other thing is that if you type WaterLevel into the search box, you don't get right there - you get a search results page instead |
| 22:09.14 | KAIRE | ha solo un tasto |
| 22:09.21 | Tupone | ok, aspetta che chiedo |
| 22:09.25 | Tupone | brlcad: help |
| 22:09.26 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, then we shoudl make a redirect page |
| 22:09.52 | TD-Linux | imho, a bunch of redirect pages is worse than the page just actually being there |
| 22:09.53 | JeffM2501 | then we we have more then one, change the redirect, not the actual page |
| 22:09.57 | Tupone | how do you select the target for missile when you have a mouse with only one button? |
| 22:09.59 | JeffM2501 | we don't need a bunch |
| 22:10.11 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, the "i' Key IIRC |
| 22:10.14 | TD-Linux | one fore each map object |
| 22:10.18 | brlcad | KAIRE: eprima il i |
| 22:10.30 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, only the names that can be confused have the object tag |
| 22:10.36 | Tupone | KAIRE: con il tasto "i" allora |
| 22:10.49 | JeffM2501 | I coudl go ether way |
| 22:10.51 | Tupone | KAIRE: ? |
| 22:11.06 | TD-Linux | okay... well, that's what I wanted |
| 22:11.15 | KAIRE | tupone hai saputo qualkosa? |
| 22:11.21 | Tupone | si. |
| 22:11.25 | Tupone | premi il tasto i |
| 22:11.32 | JeffM2501 | "options" is the big one |
| 22:11.42 | JeffM2501 | cus we have command line options, an optiosn object, etc... |
| 22:11.42 | brlcad | ah, premi .. so .. rusty |
| 22:11.44 | TD-Linux | yes... forgot about that :) |
| 22:11.54 | TD-Linux | oh, I see waterlevel doesn't have it anymore |
| 22:12.01 | TD-Linux | I thought when I looked, they all had it... |
| 22:12.07 | KAIRE | hi saputo qualcosa? |
| 22:12.09 | Tupone | a_meteorite: I learned italian long time ago. It was my first language |
| 22:12.16 | TD-Linux | sorry, I was wrong... |
| 22:12.21 | Tupone | KAIRE: si si. Devi usare il tasto i |
| 22:12.23 | JeffM2501 | for all the otehrs, like mesh, and material, I don't plan on doing the object thing |
| 22:12.25 | a_meteorite | Tupone: ah |
| 22:12.35 | JeffM2501 | just when it's a generic word |
| 22:12.54 | brlcad | ~x en it or use a two button mouse |
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| 22:13.07 | TD-Linux | okay |
| 22:13.13 | Tupone | brlcad: :) |
| 22:13.17 | brlcad | :D |
| 22:13.24 | KAIRE | tupone hai saputo qualkosa?? |
| 22:13.27 | TD-Linux | are you supposed to have a space in front of a parenthesis? |
| 22:13.36 | Chestal | heh, I can read that italian sentence, the one with the mouse :-) |
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| 22:13.51 | Tupone | KAIRE: usa il tasto "i" per selezionare il bersaglio, oppure usa un mouse con almeno 2 tasti |
| 22:14.12 | KAIRE | ok |
| 22:14.16 | KAIRE | allora |
| 22:14.26 | KAIRE | io prima vedo dove quello da uccidere premo i e poi sparo?? |
| 22:14.30 | Tupone | si |
| 22:14.47 | Tupone | dovrebbe comparire una scritta rossa |
| 22:14.56 | Tupone | con il tuo nemico |
| 22:15.05 | KAIRE | ah vediamo |
| 22:15.21 | KAIRE | gentilissimo topone |
| 22:15.23 | Tupone | I'm so sorry ;) |
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| 22:16.07 | KAIRE | topone c'รจ un mio amiko |
| 22:16.11 | TD-Linux | I remember there was a big page of BZFlag tactics somewhere... |
| 22:16.25 | a_meteorite | hmmm... how on earth do you link to a Category? |
| 22:16.31 | KAIRE | ke ti vuole parllare smepre di una domanda aspetta ke gli do il sito della chat |
| 22:16.32 | Tupone | KAIRE: tupone tupone tupone, non topone |
| 22:16.33 | a_meteorite | I can link to the page, but not to a category |
| 22:16.45 | JeffM2501 | [[:Category:NAME|displayname]] |
| 22:16.48 | brlcad | hehe, gentilissimo tupone :) |
| 22:16.50 | Skeeve | Hi there! Can anyone tell me anything about "jitter"? I was kicked 2 times on wnc because of excessive jitter. I never had that message before |
| 22:16.52 | Tupone | topone -> big mouse |
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| 22:16.53 | a_meteorite | oh, you need another colon |
| 22:16.53 | brlcad | so true |
| 22:16.55 | KAIRE | XD scusa |
| 22:16.58 | donny_baker | a-met: [[Category:Client]] |
| 22:17.13 | CBG | Skeeve: Google can tell you a lot. :) |
| 22:17.13 | JeffM2501 | Skeeve, jitter means your lag is too unstable |
| 22:17.15 | brlcad | TD-Linux: there are a couple |
| 22:17.22 | vers900 | ciao a tutti |
| 22:17.26 | a_meteorite | donny_baker: tried it, but JeffM2501 was right that you need a colon before all of it :) |
| 22:17.38 | Tupone | vers900: che c'e'? |
| 22:17.40 | TD-Linux | is it really hard to move a category? |
| 22:17.43 | brlcad | tupone e un topone? |
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| 22:17.50 | brlcad | so many choices |
| 22:17.52 | TD-Linux | I'ts kinda bugging me that 'Map making' doesn't have the second M capitalized ;) |
| 22:17.53 | Tupone | brlcad: :) |
| 22:18.04 | vers900 | posso chiedere un favore? |
| 22:18.10 | Skeeve | unstable in the range of 6ms is too high!? |
| 22:18.12 | Tupone | non soldi |
| 22:18.24 | KAIRE | tupone questo e il mio amiko |
| 22:18.34 | vers900 | ?? |
| 22:18.34 | JeffM2501 | Skeeve, depends on what the server has it settings at, they can kick for any reason they want |
| 22:18.36 | Tupone | ho capito |
| 22:18.40 | brlcad | TD-Linux: you can make an alias, or move the entire content |
| 22:18.45 | JeffM2501 | 6 dosn't seem like it'd be too bad tho |
| 22:18.47 | brlcad | and make the other the alias |
| 22:18.56 | JeffM2501 | or just fix all instances to it |
| 22:19.02 | Tupone | vers900: chiedi, non mi chiedere di chiedere |
| 22:19.08 | vers900 | tupone piacere gianluca ;) |
| 22:19.13 | Tupone | alfredo |
| 22:19.21 | KAIRE | ah scusate piacere nicola |
| 22:19.29 | brlcad | TD-Linux: there was tactics on the shellshock site |
| 22:19.40 | brlcad | s/was/are/ |
| 22:19.44 | brlcad | http://shellshock.bzflag.bz/ |
| 22:19.45 | vers900 | ok |
| 22:19.46 | Skeeve | "JeffM2501: 6 dosn't seem like it'd be too bad tho" Sorry Jeff... I'm not english. Do you mean that 6 is a to small value? |
| 22:20.03 | JeffM2501 | there is no such thing as too small jitter |
| 22:20.05 | JeffM2501 | 0 is best |
| 22:20.05 | vers900 | allora potresti dirmi per favore come mandare per esempio i missili in automatico |
| 22:20.14 | vers900 | che io sparo e vanno contro ad un'avversario automatici |
| 22:20.18 | Skeeve | Of course. But who will get that? |
| 22:20.27 | JeffM2501 | the person playing on the server ;) |
| 22:20.34 | Tupone | punta un nemico, premi i e poi spara |
| 22:20.34 | Skeeve | Nice |
| 22:20.39 | Chestal | I usually have 0 or 1 |
| 22:20.41 | Skeeve | Or better sh1ce ;-) |
| 22:20.44 | JeffM2501 | do you have any other things running on your comptuter? |
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| 22:20.53 | JeffM2501 | that may be causing lag spikes? |
| 22:21.01 | vers900 | waaaaa grzzz provo |
| 22:21.01 | Skeeve | Nothing besides the things I always have running |
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| 22:21.10 | JeffM2501 | maybe it's just a bad net day |
| 22:21.13 | Skeeve | Nothing eating cpu time. |
| 22:21.21 | JeffM2501 | I was thinking more of bandwith |
| 22:21.24 | Skeeve | Okay. So I don't play today. |
| 22:21.29 | Skeeve | Back to TV |
| 22:21.44 | Skeeve | Nothing using the net at all |
| 22:21.44 | a_meteorite | added global login help :) |
| 22:21.48 | Chestal | but a lot of people have jitter of about 4-8ms. Either you had a short spike of >6 or the server uses very picky settings |
| 22:21.48 | a_meteorite | man, this wiki stuff is fun |
| 22:21.50 | Skeeve | no bittorrent |
| 22:21.53 | Skeeve | no downloads |
| 22:22.12 | KAIRE | tuponeeeeeeeeeee funziona bellissimo! |
| 22:22.19 | brlcad | alfredo piacere sean ;) |
| 22:22.23 | KAIRE | grazie funziona il razzo |
| 22:22.44 | Tupone | brlcad: :) how do you do |
| 22:22.53 | brlcad | hungry |
| 22:23.07 | Skeeve | Thanks for your support... I'm of to TV total ;-) |
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| 22:25.06 | donny_baker | Spazzy is going to race ya for it :) |
| 22:26.35 | JBdiGriz | ~topone |
| 22:27.16 | JBdiGriz | Apparently ibot knows nothing about rodents of unusual size. |
| 22:29.43 | a_meteorite | should Common Support Issues be in Category:Support ? |
| 22:31.18 | a_meteorite | wait, that makes total sense |
| 22:32.54 | a_meteorite | hrm, it won't let me |
| 22:33.15 | JeffM2501 | so far so good |
| 22:33.27 | a_meteorite | normal |
| 22:33.33 | CR_Wheelchair | Rock 'N Roll |
| 22:33.45 | TD-Linux | [[Category:Common Support Issues]] |
| 22:33.58 | a_meteorite | TD-Linux: it won't let me move it to Category:Common Support Issues |
| 22:34.11 | TD-Linux | oh oops it's not a category |
| 22:34.15 | a_meteorite | oh |
| 22:34.26 | a_meteorite | I meant Support:... |
| 22:34.29 | TD-Linux | it's just a page |
| 22:34.34 | TD-Linux | what do you mean, 'move' ? |
| 22:34.41 | a_meteorite | http://my.bzflag.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Movepage/Common_Support_Issues |
| 22:34.47 | TD-Linux | err |
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| 22:34.51 | a_meteorite | I specified title of Support:Common Support Issues |
| 22:34.58 | a_meteorite | spit out an error |
| 22:35.11 | TD-Linux | Do you want it part of the page header, or an article in that category? |
| 22:35.15 | a_meteorite | er, it worked |
| 22:35.46 | a_meteorite | I want it as an article in that category |
| 22:35.47 | a_meteorite | http://my.bzflag.org/wiki/index.php/Support:Common_Support_Issues |
| 22:35.47 | TD-Linux | not what you wanted, I bet |
| 22:35.50 | a_meteorite | but it's not listed |
| 22:35.51 | TD-Linux | undo that then |
| 22:35.52 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 22:35.55 | TD-Linux | I will show you how |
| 22:36.00 | JeffM2501 | then all you do is put the category at the end |
| 22:36.09 | a_meteorite | thanks |
| 22:36.14 | a_meteorite | it's moved back |
| 22:36.24 | JeffM2501 | it dos't "move" it |
| 22:36.36 | a_meteorite | oh |
| 22:36.37 | JeffM2501 | an article can belong to as many categories as you want |
| 22:36.44 | a_meteorite | still a learning process |
| 22:36.44 | JeffM2501 | it's just a tag |
| 22:36.47 | a_meteorite | I see |
| 22:36.57 | a_meteorite | how do I add tags then? |
| 22:37.07 | JeffM2501 | just put category tags at the end |
| 22:37.16 | JeffM2501 | look at other pages that are tagged in cagetories |
| 22:37.16 | a_meteorite | oh |
| 22:37.46 | JeffM2501 | [[Category:Support]] |
| 22:37.52 | JeffM2501 | would add it to the support category |
| 22:37.59 | TD-Linux | I fixed it for you, a_meteorite |
| 22:38.00 | JeffM2501 | you can put as many categories at the end as youw ant |
| 22:38.04 | JeffM2501 | they are dynamic |
| 22:38.04 | TD-Linux | look at the bottom of the page now |
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| 22:38.38 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 22:38.46 | a_meteorite | thanks! |
| 22:39.11 | JeffM2501 | when I'm making a new page, I just copy the contents from another |
| 22:39.15 | JeffM2501 | and edit the chunks |
| 22:39.19 | JeffM2501 | makes it a lot easier |
| 22:39.24 | TD-Linux | Common Support Issues seems kinda long for a title |
| 22:39.51 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, it's descriptive |
| 22:39.51 | a_meteorite | Common Issues? Since it's in the Support category |
| 22:40.00 | a_meteorite | that is true |
| 22:40.05 | JeffM2501 | each page should stand on it's own |
| 22:40.06 | TD-Linux | maybe Support just needs a sub-category |
| 22:40.32 | TD-Linux | then that begs the question: Which problems are common? |
| 22:40.59 | JeffM2501 | video drivers :) |
| 22:41.13 | a_meteorite | global login |
| 22:41.18 | a_meteorite | that gets asked a lot |
| 22:41.20 | TD-Linux | o.O there is no lag page! |
| 22:41.26 | a_meteorite | yeah, I was going to do that next |
| 22:41.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah the lag one.. that will be impartial |
| 22:41.41 | a_meteorite | :o |
| 22:42.16 | a_meteorite | gah... I don't think I got an account at the old wiki |
| 22:42.34 | CBG | I win ! |
| 22:42.59 | a_meteorite | lol |
| 22:43.03 | CBG | But someone should certainly add some kind of "fact" to the page. |
| 22:43.21 | a_meteorite | http://bzflag.org/wiki/BzflagAndLag |
| 22:43.25 | a_meteorite | or that should be "How Lag Works" |
| 22:43.48 | CBG | cp it over. |
| 22:44.13 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 22:44.47 | CBG | Heh... sorry JeffM2501 |
| 22:45.05 | JeffM2501 | I know it was just a joke, but I'd like to keep the wiki serious |
| 22:45.43 | JeffM2501 | it realy should be a description of what latency is, and then have a section on how it affects bzflag and gameplay |
| 22:46.08 | JeffM2501 | then perhaps also link to an article on bandwith and bzflag, that descripes how much bandwith BZ uses, etc... |
| 22:46.31 | TD-Linux | I recreated the page. |
| 22:46.38 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: then the old BzflagAndLag's what is lag's paragraph should good? |
| 22:46.44 | a_meteorite | *should be |
| 22:47.00 | JeffM2501 | I haven't read it, but sure, get it from wherever you want |
| 22:47.05 | a_meteorite | k |
| 22:47.10 | JeffM2501 | compare it with what's on wikipedia and get a good description |
| 22:47.38 | JeffM2501 | just do your best to be impartial and descriptive |
| 22:47.53 | TD-Linux | I put stuff on what can cause lag |
| 22:50.00 | a_meteorite | added what is lag (in relation to bzflag, not general wikipedia type lag) |
| 22:50.39 | TD-Linux | the page on Client Commands is mostly server commands... |
| 22:50.44 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 22:50.53 | TD-Linux | should I change the name? |
| 22:50.59 | TD-Linux | / Commands? |
| 22:51.17 | a_meteorite | but most any command you do is a server command |
| 22:51.25 | TD-Linux | yeah |
| 22:51.33 | a_meteorite | the only thing that isn't is /localset and /? :) |
| 22:51.36 | TD-Linux | so it should be either Server Commands or '/ Commands' |
| 22:51.46 | TD-Linux | or 'Slash Commands' |
| 22:52.00 | TD-Linux | which do you prefer? |
| 22:52.16 | a_meteorite | slash commands |
| 22:52.25 | a_meteorite | '/' in a title seems weird |
| 22:52.47 | a_meteorite | you could make a redirect from '/ commands' to 'slash commands' though |
| 22:54.04 | TD-Linux | done |
| 22:56.15 | TD-Linux | Could 'BZFlag x.x.x' just be x.x.x? |
| 22:58.19 | brad | hmm |
| 22:58.27 | brad | how do you specify a new line in the Wiki? |
| 22:58.35 | brad | <br> ? :) |
| 22:59.33 | TD-Linux | yes |
| 22:59.35 | TD-Linux | or two newlines |
| 22:59.42 | brad | ahh |
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| 23:01.40 | JeffM2501 | it would be best to use as little HTML as possible please |
| 23:01.57 | brad | yeah I did the 2 new lines |
| 23:02.00 | CBG | Any way to add a comment..? |
| 23:02.07 | JeffM2501 | the talk page |
| 23:02.16 | JeffM2501 | every article has one |
| 23:02.31 | CBG | Nah, I meant, like an actual comment in the article... |
| 23:02.39 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 23:02.46 | JeffM2501 | it's an article, not a web page :) |
| 23:02.49 | CBG | I'll just make it italic then.. |
| 23:03.26 | JeffM2501 | is the comment an opinion? |
| 23:03.53 | CBG | a note, to upload an image - which I'll do myself in less than 24 hours. |
| 23:04.06 | JeffM2501 | that should go in the talk page then |
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| 23:06.22 | CBG | aw hell, I'll just upload it now |
| 23:06.34 | JeffM2501 | there ya go |
| 23:07.06 | JeffM2501 | also remember you can update images as well as documents, so if you want to provide an updated image later, you just do that, you don't have to redo all the pages that use it |
| 23:07.46 | CBG | Yeah, I think I've used wikis more than some others... |
| 23:07.55 | JeffM2501 | coo |
| 23:08.31 | CBG | Made about 20 edits on wikipedia.org. |
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| 23:12.07 | CBG | k, http://my.bzflag.org/wiki/index.php/Pyramid is added and I am off to sleep. |
| 23:13.23 | brad | http://my.bzflag.org/wiki/index.php/Leagues .... anything else need adding/changing? :] |
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| 23:23.54 | TD-Linux | the article on Mesh is entered |
| 23:24.11 | TD-Linux | http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi?bzw.5.in |
| 23:25.41 | TD-Linux | whoa I never knew the man page had how to rotate the object in it |
| 23:26.24 | TD-Linux | schweet do I see lines? |
| 23:26.51 | JeffM2501 | please make sure you try to get the category stuff in there |
| 23:27.21 | JeffM2501 | and if you could, can you try to format all the object articles the same |
| 23:27.34 | brad | It is recommended that files are no larger than 150 KB; this file is 642 KB. -- does that matter too much for screenshots? |
| 23:27.35 | JeffM2501 | I'll fix mesh |
| 23:28.10 | JeffM2501 | what is it a screenshot of? |
| 23:28.17 | TD-Linux | in jpg format? |
| 23:28.31 | brad | of a map |
| 23:28.34 | brad | in .png format |
| 23:28.44 | TD-Linux | I would suggest jpeg format |
| 23:28.51 | JeffM2501 | yeah, try to make it as small as you can |
| 23:28.55 | brad | k |
| 23:29.09 | brad | how do I delete it? |
| 23:29.17 | JeffM2501 | upload a new version |
| 23:29.17 | TD-Linux | you just upload a new one |
| 23:29.21 | brad | ahh |
| 23:29.54 | TD-Linux | because of the different name (extension) it might be better to upload it new |
| 23:31.01 | spldart | jpeg is more compressed than png? |
| 23:31.13 | JeffM2501 | for some images, yes |
| 23:31.20 | JeffM2501 | ones that are like photos |
| 23:31.33 | TD-Linux | screenshots are |
| 23:31.37 | TD-Linux | it's also lossy |
| 23:31.42 | spldart | oh... I'm waisting bandwidth on my server :-( |
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| 23:34.10 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, take a look at mesh now, that's how I'd prefer them to be layed out, if you don't mind. |
| 23:34.35 | JeffM2501 | tho the example code should also show all options. |
| 23:36.48 | JeffM2501 | or at least a goodly number of them |
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| 23:40.41 | brlcad | spldart: you can get pretty close to jpg with png, but you can also get horribly worse.. default setting with most apps is somewhere in between |
| 23:40.53 | spldart | aic |
| 23:41.01 | brlcad | photoshop's png web export gets you about as good as it's going to get |
| 23:41.11 | brlcad | and lets you select lossy or non-lossy |
| 23:42.09 | brad | I used "Microsoft Office Picture Manager".... got it down to 80KB (although it's lossy) |
| 23:42.14 | spldart | Corel 8 too.... somewhere |
| 23:42.38 | spldart | Wife does image work... I do video work |
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| 23:45.50 | areuh | hi everybody |
| 23:46.15 | areuh | please i need to know how i an change setup keyboard |
| 23:46.15 | spldart | Hi Dee Ho |
| 23:46.49 | spldart | Options/inputsettings/keymap? |
| 23:47.37 | areuh | sure i can' t set up it seems hum i look one more time can u wait please few seconds |
| 23:47.53 | spldart | Lots of people will be here all the time :) |
| 23:48.06 | spldart | Sometimes the response take a while but be patient |
| 23:48.25 | TD-Linux | hmm looks like that mesh definition I posted is the new drawInfo version |
| 23:48.38 | TD-Linux | I might need to fill in all the old pre-2.0.6 stuff |
| 23:48.44 | areuh | ok spldart, u' re right i'm newbie thx for answering |
| 23:48.57 | TD-Linux | 'cause nobody except Louman uses drawInfo |
| 23:49.11 | areuh | i go to blast now, i hope |
| 23:49.19 | areuh | bye and thx again |
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| 23:51.27 | spldart | hehe |
| 23:52.00 | spldart | I get up and wrestle with my 5 y/o for a couple minutes and the guys already gone hehe |
| 23:52.30 | TD-Linux | spldart: who won? |
| 23:53.52 | spldart | I'm ... not... sure... pant wheeze |
| 23:59.24 | spldart | I had to resort to old men's secret weapon... tickle the kid and he can't gather himself together enough for a tangible offense LOL |
| 23:59.47 | brad | is there something similar to [code] tags for the Wiki? |
| 23:59.57 | spldart | That strategy is second only to 'watch out for the package" |