| 00:16.01 | TimRiker | hmm. did we ever test dropping servers from the list if they require registration and you have no password set? |
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| 00:16.36 | TimRiker | Pimpi: still ascii though... |
| 00:16.42 | ryanakca | Anybody know of a GUI for linux for making maps? |
| 00:16.58 | TimRiker | ~x en jp don't use things like japanese characters |
| 00:21.52 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, who is the "you" in that sentance? the server? or the client? |
| 00:23.33 | purple_cow | hmm. I've apparently got a hideous japanese font |
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| 00:39.56 | JeffM2501 | ooo double tim |
| 00:40.25 | GvzEvxre | JeffM2501: you == the user running the client. ie: if the client has no password, then you do not try global registration, so the list should really not show any groups that require global registration. |
| 00:40.47 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 00:40.48 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.56 | JeffM2501 | don't tink we tell the list that a server needs global |
| 00:41.06 | JeffM2501 | tho I think we can do that with -advertise now |
| 00:41.18 | JeffM2501 | where VERIFIED is a valid group to send with -advertise |
| 00:41.26 | TimRiker | exactly. |
| 00:41.30 | ryanakca | ? |
| 00:41.36 | JeffM2501 | IIRC thats in |
| 00:41.40 | JeffM2501 | in done and tested |
| 00:41.57 | TimRiker | but does the server auto-send it? and if not should it? |
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| 00:42.22 | TimRiker | ie: is it a feature that non-VERIFIED users can join and perhaps chat, but not play? |
| 00:43.05 | JeffM2501 | I know the server does not auto send it, it is opt in for the server |
| 00:43.10 | TimRiker | would be nice to have a simple option to set require global login, and then have those servers disappear from the list for non-logged in folks by default. |
| 00:43.33 | JeffM2501 | should not be hard to do |
| 00:43.42 | JeffM2501 | like -superpublic :) |
| 00:43.46 | JeffM2501 | or maybe -global |
| 00:43.55 | JeffM2501 | where that is public but require login |
| 00:43.59 | JeffM2501 | etc... |
| 00:44.07 | JeffM2501 | takes out spawn perms from no reg, etc.. |
| 00:44.18 | TimRiker | yep. that's what I was thinking. |
| 00:44.51 | uso | will you still be able to get the full server list then by a web url (e.g. for statistics)? |
| 00:45.19 | uso | i.e. will this limitation only take part inside of the game? |
| 00:45.58 | TimRiker | uso: yes, scripts would not restrict to servers that do not require VERIFIED. The default client search would be that way if you had no password set in the client options. |
| 00:46.26 | uso | ah ok |
| 00:46.50 | TimRiker | the full list would still be on the web, just not much point it showing login-only servers to clients that are not logging in. |
| 00:47.02 | TimRiker | s/it/in/ |
| 00:47.15 | JeffM2501 | code it up :) |
| 00:47.34 | TimRiker | I might just do that. :) |
| 00:57.00 | JeffM2501 | whoot |
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| 01:02.09 | Erroneous | should probably make sure it says why the others aren't being listed somewhere. otherwise people will forget to put in their passwords and ask where their favorite servers went... |
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| 01:10.04 | supertanker | How do most people create BZFlag maps nowadays? Do they create the entire thing in a modler or create seperate objects and export them? |
| 01:10.06 | uso | Erroneous: but it should only do it once |
| 01:10.28 | uso | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.45 | Erroneous | uso: I was thinking more of a passive warning (line of text that says "only showing servers which do not require registration" or some baloney like that) |
| 01:10.59 | Erroneous | but whatever |
| 01:11.38 | JeffM2501 | supertanker, blender has full bzw support via the bzwtools plugin |
| 01:12.03 | uso | sure, a warning is good so that people know, but getting it once to know it should be enough |
| 01:12.14 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, should make the game say "hey you arn't registered" when you list, and then ask them if they want to register, and send them to a page, or fire up a form for em. |
| 01:12.26 | JeffM2501 | that would be optimal |
| 01:12.30 | JeffM2501 | EQ2 style :) |
| 01:12.31 | Erroneous | meh, that's kinda "in your face" |
| 01:12.46 | JeffM2501 | have a check box that says "never ask me this again you punk" |
| 01:13.16 | Erroneous | uso: think you missed the word "passive" there...meaning, everything else would still be shown, just some extra (ignorable) text on the server list page |
| 01:13.22 | uso | i see JeffM2501 understands me :)) |
| 01:13.33 | JeffM2501 | the game should help you play :) |
| 01:13.41 | JeffM2501 | maybe give it a mascot |
| 01:13.45 | JeffM2501 | I bet we can get clippy cheap |
| 01:14.02 | Erroneous | and "check boxes" aren't exactly a known concept in bzflag's hudui :) |
| 01:14.10 | Erroneous | though they could be easily enough |
| 01:14.16 | uso | Erroneous: i understand you correctly, but place on the screen is too precious to display the line every time :) |
| 01:14.29 | Erroneous | pft, lots of wasted space anyway |
| 01:14.36 | JeffM2501 | ok, 3 buttons, OK, cancel, go away |
| 01:14.49 | a_meteorite | buttons :o |
| 01:15.02 | uso | show up again in 1/ 7/ 30 days |
| 01:15.02 | Erroneous | list control with on/off is the closest approximate to checkbox |
| 01:15.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:15.18 | Erroneous | and at any rate, this is all up to whoever implements it |
| 01:15.18 | JeffM2501 | well we need some ways to close your dialogs :) |
| 01:15.24 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: Oh no! Not Word's Clippy! |
| 01:15.31 | a_meteorite | Save me from the horror. :D |
| 01:15.34 | Erroneous | heh, the dialogs are easy enough to close |
| 01:15.38 | Erroneous | enter/escape both work |
| 01:15.46 | Erroneous | hm, I haven't checked that stuff in yet have I |
| 01:15.50 | JeffM2501 | no you haven't |
| 01:16.01 | Erroneous | haven't tested it either |
| 01:16.10 | JeffM2501 | so :) |
| 01:16.13 | Erroneous | which is probably why I haven't checked it in :) |
| 01:17.30 | JeffM2501 | if nothing uses it, whopty do |
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| 01:33.30 | ryanakca | Anybody know of a linux app for making maps for bzflag? |
| 01:33.34 | JeffM2501 | whacha geting now? |
| 01:33.39 | JeffM2501 | ryanakca, blender |
| 01:34.25 | ryanakca | hmm... anything else? |
| 01:34.30 | JeffM2501 | blender |
| 01:34.35 | JeffM2501 | emacs |
| 01:34.38 | JeffM2501 | vi |
| 01:34.42 | JeffM2501 | text exit |
| 01:35.02 | ryanakca | lol |
| 01:35.17 | JeffM2501 | the BZWtools plugin for blender is the only graphical edition solution that fully supports the BZW format |
| 01:35.19 | ryanakca | vi vi vi: The number of the devil |
| 01:35.31 | JeffM2501 | there are 2 older linux versions of BZEdit |
| 01:35.42 | JeffM2501 | but they only suport boxes, and pyramids |
| 01:35.42 | ryanakca | anybody plan on updating it? |
| 01:35.46 | ryanakca | ah |
| 01:35.46 | JeffM2501 | and are basicly unsuported |
| 01:36.01 | JeffM2501 | blender is the prefereed map making mehod |
| 01:36.14 | ryanakca | kk |
| 01:36.14 | JeffM2501 | no need for anyone to write a new modeler when one exissts allready |
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| 03:07.10 | Flash | is there a vista-compatible client? |
| 03:07.21 | JeffM2501 | does it not run on vista? |
| 03:07.33 | donny_baker | i have no issues on vista |
| 03:07.38 | H0ley | ditto |
| 03:07.41 | JeffM2501 | then there ya go :) |
| 03:07.45 | Flash | I have a guy saying he's getting booted from some servers when running on vista |
| 03:07.47 | JeffM2501 | yes there is a vista compatable client |
| 03:07.59 | JeffM2501 | probably frame rate, tell him to get the current drivers for his card |
| 03:08.01 | Flash | new dl? |
| 03:08.04 | donny_baker | other than crappy OpenGL drivers, but that aint BZFlags fault :p |
| 03:08.11 | JeffM2501 | GL performance on Vista sucks |
| 03:08.13 | JeffM2501 | big time |
| 03:08.15 | JeffM2501 | in general |
| 03:08.17 | JeffM2501 | for all apps |
| 03:08.20 | Tropican8 | Well, right now it does |
| 03:08.26 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 03:08.29 | JeffM2501 | give it a year |
| 03:08.45 | H0ley | im running at the same FPS on my lappy w/ vista |
| 03:08.53 | JeffM2501 | your a lucky one |
| 03:08.55 | JeffM2501 | what card? |
| 03:08.58 | Tropican8 | same FPS as what? |
| 03:09.01 | H0ley | Intel |
| 03:09.06 | H0ley | 30-45 |
| 03:09.09 | JeffM2501 | ahh so basicly software :) |
| 03:09.13 | donny_baker | H0ley do you get the background flashing red sometimes |
| 03:09.19 | H0ley | no |
| 03:09.47 | donny_baker | that happens with my ATI drivers, wouldnt run at all with the included vista driver |
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| 03:09.58 | JeffM2501 | ATI's drivers are very new |
| 03:10.24 | donny_baker | yeh, I expect then to get better over time |
| 03:10.30 | L4m3r | And they kinda suck :( |
| 03:10.36 | L4m3r | they dpn |
| 03:10.45 | L4m3r | they don't support all their cards |
| 03:10.49 | H0ley | ive been running bzflag on vista since october |
| 03:11.01 | Flash | he says he gets kicked on first shot " your end is not using udp " |
| 03:11.08 | H0ley | RC2? |
| 03:11.16 | JeffM2501 | firewall/router then |
| 03:11.22 | JeffM2501 | it's not us, something is blocking his UDP |
| 03:11.26 | JeffM2501 | he should get kicked |
| 03:11.35 | L4m3r | they rely on manufacturers to distribute slightly-modified drivers for laptops, and said manufacturers, uh, don't. :( |
| 03:11.35 | JeffM2501 | TCP only sucks |
| 03:11.36 | H0ley | I noticed the Windows firewall is really buggy/retarded on RC2 |
| 03:11.44 | H0ley | disable the service |
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| 03:21.52 | bz12 | anyone there? |
| 03:21.56 | bz12 | my first time using this |
| 03:22.10 | blast007 | nope, nobody here but us chickens |
| 03:22.11 | bz12 | i have a question about udp |
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| 03:22.27 | blast007 | bz12: okay, ask away |
| 03:22.38 | menotume | whadda I miss, anything good? :P |
| 03:22.46 | bz12 | on my windows 2k box i can go to any server... no problem |
| 03:22.54 | menotume | hi Ape :) |
| 03:23.16 | bz12 | but, i just got a vista machine and when i go to some server... such as hepcat... i run into a problem |
| 03:23.24 | bz12 | as soon as i shoot, i get booted |
| 03:23.27 | H0ley | lol, yet another one |
| 03:23.28 | menotume | he's getting "turn on udp' error smg |
| 03:23.30 | bz12 | the message i get is the following |
| 03:23.36 | bz12 | yeah |
| 03:23.41 | bz12 | you know the story then |
| 03:23.43 | H0ley | allow an exception in the windows firewall |
| 03:24.01 | bz12 | i thought i turned the firewall off |
| 03:24.07 | H0ley | or just disable the service altogether |
| 03:24.39 | H0ley | run "services.msc" and disable the service completely |
| 03:24.57 | menotume | ahh, it's by port |
| 03:25.21 | Flash | menotume: here's what you missed: http://flash.pastebin.ca/375253 |
| 03:25.25 | menotume | bz12, have you seen this: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=9717 |
| 03:25.57 | bz12 | yes menotume |
| 03:26.03 | bz12 | i am apeattack :P |
| 03:26.55 | blast007 | hehe |
| 03:26.55 | menotume | lol flash, thx :) |
| 03:26.55 | Flash | np, anytime |
| 03:26.59 | menotume | ok, well, take note of the servers that work, and don't work |
| 03:27.06 | menotume | see if they have a common port |
| 03:27.20 | menotume | like, borrego is 5154 |
| 03:27.27 | menotume | Quol, of course! :) |
| 03:27.33 | blast007 | menotume: most servers don't -requireudp :) |
| 03:27.36 | menotume | must 'burn in' the new pc :) |
| 03:27.48 | bz12 | i am able to go to the 4way missle server |
| 03:27.57 | menotume | hmm |
| 03:28.05 | bz12 | play there |
| 03:28.08 | bz12 | and a couple others |
| 03:28.20 | blast007 | bz12: if you are in a server that works, run a /lagstats |
| 03:28.28 | bz12 | but get the error message for most other servers |
| 03:28.32 | bz12 | one sec |
| 03:28.33 | blast007 | it will show lag, jitter, and packet loss |
| 03:28.47 | blast007 | as well as either nothing, "udp", or "udp+" |
| 03:29.50 | bz12 | 240 +- 0 ms |
| 03:29.54 | bz12 | a bit high |
| 03:30.04 | blast007 | and that's all it says then? |
| 03:30.13 | bz12 | yeah... |
| 03:30.17 | blast007 | okay, so it's not using UDP there either |
| 03:30.26 | blast007 | the server just doesn't kick for it |
| 03:30.29 | menotume | JeffM: "the setting dosnt' do anything in BZFlag anymore. we always try UDP at the client end. The setting is left over from old old bzflag where UDP was an option. |
| 03:30.29 | menotume | it's being blocked by your router or firewall. |
| 03:30.44 | menotume | oh, i c |
| 03:30.49 | bz12 | ok |
| 03:30.50 | blast007 | yeah, there isn't a way to turn off the setting anymore |
| 03:30.58 | blast007 | so it's either a firewall or a router issue |
| 03:31.05 | menotume | ya |
| 03:31.08 | blast007 | but since it works on another PC, that means it's a firewall issue |
| 03:31.11 | menotume | seems likely |
| 03:31.17 | blast007 | (or a crappy network driver) |
| 03:31.28 | blast007 | which is also possible |
| 03:31.29 | bz12 | the vista machine is wireless but using the same router |
| 03:31.46 | menotume | or, tricky router setup ? |
| 03:31.46 | bz12 | the w2k machine is linked with a cable to the routher |
| 03:31.49 | bz12 | router |
| 03:31.50 | blast007 | bz12: can you try it wired and see if the issue goes away? |
| 03:32.02 | blast007 | that would at least narrow down some possible problems |
| 03:32.05 | Flash | or have you played wireless before? |
| 03:32.07 | bz12 | yeah... let me try that |
| 03:32.31 | Flash | some routers are VERY conservative in what they handle wirelessly |
| 03:32.32 | bz12 | i don't know if i will get booted when i switch from wireless to cable |
| 03:32.47 | bz12 | i may have to return in a sec |
| 03:33.05 | Flash | yeah, well.... it's not a mac ;-) |
| 03:34.06 | bz12 | lol... i might not have a cable for this |
| 03:34.26 | blast007 | steal the other one's cable ;) |
| 03:34.35 | bz12 | got it |
| 03:34.41 | bz12 | found one.. brb |
| 03:35.15 | blast007 | k |
| 03:37.32 | a_meteorite | NO |
| 03:37.38 | a_meteorite | BACK YOU DANGEROUS WORM |
| 03:37.58 | blast007 | a_meteorite: it wants to consume your flesh! |
| 03:38.33 | blast007 | okay, all clear now, you're safe a_meteorite |
| 03:38.45 | a_meteorite | blast007: NO! I need the flame thrower! QUICK! |
| 03:40.41 | TD-Linux | lol |
| 03:40.46 | TD-Linux | 2.54 mm = 1 inch :D |
| 03:42.09 | wegstar | Start fighting before I'll find someone who can! |
| 03:42.19 | wegstar | ooops.. wrong channel |
| 03:42.25 | bz12 | no |
| 03:42.27 | TD-Linux | ⚔ |
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| 03:43.02 | a_meteorite | oh, heh |
| 03:43.11 | a_meteorite | I thought inchworm nicked to meteorworm |
| 03:43.21 | bz12 | ok |
| 03:43.22 | bz12 | back |
| 03:43.25 | bz12 | no good |
| 03:43.30 | blast007 | bz12: also make sure you disable the wireless connection if you're testing the wired |
| 03:43.33 | blast007 | k |
| 03:43.39 | bz12 | btw... 2.54 cm (not mm) = 1 in |
| 03:43.44 | bz12 | i did |
| 03:43.49 | blast007 | ok, hmm |
| 03:43.50 | bz12 | i disabled first |
| 03:43.58 | bz12 | then attached cable |
| 03:44.15 | blast007 | did you disable the firewall service from services.msc ? |
| 03:44.28 | bz12 | how do i do that |
| 03:44.34 | blast007 | Start > Run, type "services.msc" (without the quotes) and click OK |
| 03:44.43 | bz12 | do i just run it in the 'run' prompt |
| 03:44.47 | blast007 | yup |
| 03:44.48 | bz12 | ok |
| 03:44.51 | bz12 | 1sec |
| 03:45.12 | blast007 | and first Stop the service (if it's still running) |
| 03:45.19 | blast007 | then right click on it and go to properties |
| 03:45.24 | bz12 | i see the services menu |
| 03:45.37 | blast007 | should be something like "Manual", "Automatic", or "Disabled" |
| 03:45.44 | blast007 | (in the properties window) |
| 03:45.52 | bz12 | there are a lot of services |
| 03:45.53 | bz12 | hold on |
| 03:46.16 | blast007 | may be called "Windows Firewall" |
| 03:46.20 | bz12 | status is started |
| 03:46.24 | H0ley | lol, its in alphabetical order... |
| 03:46.33 | bz12 | startup type is automatic |
| 03:46.41 | bz12 | i thought i disabled it |
| 03:46.55 | H0ley | it doesnt disable it when you dont it from the control panel |
| 03:46.59 | bz12 | i know it did... i just opened up a firewall menu and is says disabled |
| 03:47.04 | bz12 | oh... well that is crap |
| 03:47.09 | bz12 | i did actually |
| 03:47.37 | blast007 | technically it's supposed to not run when you turn it off in the control panel, but this way we're sure ;) |
| 03:47.42 | bz12 | 'windows firewall is off'.... 'your computer is not protected: turn on windows fireall' |
| 03:47.46 | blast007 | at vista might just be buggy |
| 03:47.50 | blast007 | or* |
| 03:47.54 | H0ley | what version are you running? |
| 03:48.00 | bz12 | windows? |
| 03:48.05 | bz12 | i mean... of vista? |
| 03:48.07 | blast007 | final version of vista? |
| 03:48.18 | blast007 | (a.k.a not a beta or RC) |
| 03:48.19 | bz12 | bought it a week ago |
| 03:48.21 | blast007 | k |
| 03:48.34 | bz12 | i dl'ed all the updates too |
| 03:48.40 | bz12 | ok... so in the service menu |
| 03:48.53 | bz12 | stopping the service |
| 03:49.06 | H0ley | right click properties and change the startup type to: disabled |
| 03:49.18 | H0ley | or else you'll have the same problem when you restart |
| 03:50.00 | bz12 | ok |
| 03:50.04 | bz12 | try bzflag now? |
| 03:50.16 | bz12 | no hackingggg |
| 03:50.21 | bz12 | be nice |
| 03:50.30 | H0ley | yep |
| 03:51.02 | bz12 | still get the message |
| 03:51.09 | bz12 | :( |
| 03:51.11 | H0ley | try restarting then |
| 03:51.21 | H0ley | that solved my issues when i first installed it |
| 03:51.34 | bz12 | ok... see you on the other side |
| 03:51.39 | bz12 | you had to restart first? |
| 03:51.46 | H0ley | i dont remember |
| 03:51.50 | H0ley | it was back in october |
| 03:51.55 | bz12 | i'll let you know in a sec |
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| 04:01.47 | bz73 | hi all |
| 04:01.50 | bz73 | this is bz12 |
| 04:01.58 | bz73 | now bz 73... didn't work :( |
| 04:02.01 | bz73 | same message |
| 04:02.35 | bz73 | you guys still there? |
| 04:02.58 | H0ley | still? man. |
| 04:03.29 | bz73 | so that means no other ideas huh ? :P |
| 04:03.55 | blast007 | probably not |
| 04:04.02 | blast007 | the game hasn't been extensively tested in Vista |
| 04:04.10 | blast007 | however, it's likely not an issue with the game |
| 04:04.16 | bz73 | so i may have to wait a few months then |
| 04:04.20 | blast007 | it's probably a driver bug, or a vista bug |
| 04:04.53 | bz73 | oh well... i guess i'll have to settle on 4way ... i like that server the best anyways |
| 04:04.55 | blast007 | might want to check the manufacturer of your network devices to newer vista drivers |
| 04:05.39 | blast007 | really, without UDP, you might get kicked/banned from servers for network issues |
| 04:05.40 | bz73 | maybe |
| 04:05.55 | bz73 | so far, this has been the only negative item with my vista machine |
| 04:05.57 | blast007 | I can't recall what effect it had on gameplay |
| 04:06.15 | blast007 | (might have appeared more laggy) |
| 04:06.40 | blast007 | well that's good :) |
| 04:06.46 | blast007 | I'm still on XP on my machines |
| 04:06.52 | blast007 | or linux |
| 04:07.37 | bz73 | it might be more laggy |
| 04:07.58 | bz73 | i can't tell if it is vista since i use wireless usually |
| 04:08.11 | bz73 | it could be the wireless connection |
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| 04:08.40 | bz73 | at any rate, i don't know if there is anything else i can do |
| 04:08.45 | a_meteorite | A-Delusion: gotta get off computer early... I'll check the files out for sure tomorrow |
| 04:08.46 | blast007 | right |
| 04:08.55 | menotume | latest version of n/w driver for your mobo ? |
| 04:09.05 | blast007 | by SP1, the OS should be better |
| 04:09.08 | menotume | though, it's unlikely |
| 04:09.12 | blast007 | that's how it was for XP anyway |
| 04:09.18 | A-Delusion | ok, meteorite, no hurry |
| 04:09.24 | bz73 | yeah... i'll just have to wait on it |
| 04:09.41 | bz73 | how long did it take for sp1 to be released? |
| 04:09.51 | blast007 | can't remember |
| 04:09.52 | ep | keep checking the forums, not many using vista yet |
| 04:10.05 | bz73 | ok thanks guy |
| 04:10.07 | bz73 | guys |
| 04:10.11 | blast007 | np |
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| 04:10.24 | bz73 | it was worth a shot... at least i got my firewall to be permanently down |
| 04:12.57 | Flash | 20:47 < blast007> at vista might just be buggy |
| 04:12.57 | ep | well he's got the security alerts and firewall shut off, progress! |
| 04:13.01 | Flash | ***GASP*** |
| 04:13.12 | blast007 | ;) |
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| 04:26.39 | supertanker | How, exactly, would I be able to adjust texture coordinates for an object? I have a plain cube and half of the sides seem to have the texture 'sheared' downwards. Also, I tried textureMatrix but 2.0.6 did not recognize the |
| 04:26.44 | supertanker | scale and wouldn't run |
| 04:27.26 | supertanker | And what is a normal? |
| 04:29.02 | supertanker | Don't worry, I take help from people who have no idea as well |
| 04:29.17 | supertanker | I knew how to map in 1.0 but that wasn't exactly difficult... |
| 04:29.21 | blast007 | that could be bad though ;) |
| 04:29.46 | blast007 | "Yeah, you just stick your head inside the tank barrel and yell 'FIRE' at the top of your lungs" |
| 04:31.29 | A-Delusion | I find the easiest way to match up a texture with an object is to use wings3d |
| 04:32.32 | A-Delusion | sizing the texture so it's pixel dimensions are power of 2, like 64by64, or 128by128, seems to make it easier |
| 04:32.50 | supertanker | A-Delusion, I use wings 3d but have no idea how to use textures in it |
| 04:33.02 | supertanker | I gave up on Blender, I just got sick of the interface |
| 04:33.07 | A-Delusion | try making an image plane |
| 04:33.23 | supertanker | A what? |
| 04:33.35 | blast007 | those things with the wings and the engines |
| 04:33.37 | A-Delusion | its an option in wings3d |
| 04:33.38 | supertanker | Ah, okay |
| 04:33.46 | supertanker | against the 'ground' ? |
| 04:34.16 | supertanker | wait, what? |
| 04:34.18 | A-Delusion | it's not that hard to texture map in wings, once you get the basic concepts |
| 04:34.24 | supertanker | Where exactly do I put the plane |
| 04:34.57 | A-Delusion | it's an object with zero thickness |
| 04:35.04 | supertanker | I mean, where? |
| 04:35.18 | A-Delusion | idunno, I havent seen your ma |
| 04:35.20 | A-Delusion | p |
| 04:35.46 | supertanker | It's a few buildings and a highway so far. I mean, where do I put the plane? Against the ground? On the building? |
| 04:36.21 | A-Delusion | well, i suggested an image plane as the simplest object to learn texture mapping in wings |
| 04:36.43 | A-Delusion | i wasnt suggesting an entire solution |
| 04:37.17 | supertanker | ah |
| 04:38.03 | A-Delusion | mapping textures to objects that have 3 dimensions is a bit harder |
| 04:38.07 | supertanker | I mean in the BZFlag world file, where I put my materials, etc (by hand, because I don't like material managers in 3d modlers :D ) how would I adjust texture sizes |
| 04:38.18 | supertanker | I have a simple material, with just the name and texture |
| 04:38.23 | A-Delusion | wings exports materials |
| 04:38.24 | supertanker | and a matref to that material for each face |
| 04:38.47 | supertanker | it works, but at the corner, one of the sides has the texture shifted downwards so it doesn't match |
| 04:38.54 | A-Delusion | I'd try re-sizing the texture to power of two |
| 04:39.32 | supertanker | The actual texture? |
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| 04:39.49 | supertanker | There's no way of editing it in the map? It's the standard BZFlag basewall_red texture |
| 04:40.18 | A-Delusion | are you looking at the .bzw manpages here? http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi?bzw.5.in |
| 04:40.33 | A-Delusion | because the material efinition is wrong there |
| 04:40.42 | supertanker | yeah |
| 04:41.12 | A-Delusion | http://manpage.willempen.org/5/bzw that page might help |
| 04:41.29 | supertanker | thanks |
| 04:41.41 | User__ | is it a mesh or a meshbox? |
| 04:41.52 | supertanker | User__, mesh |
| 04:41.53 | User__ | gahck |
| 04:42.02 | supertanker | Or whatever modeltool outputs from a mesh in Wings |
| 04:42.04 | User__ | then the problem is in your UV coords |
| 04:42.12 | User__ | not the texture matrix |
| 04:42.12 | A-Delusion | texture matrix and material properties got mashed together somehow in the current manpage |
| 04:42.13 | supertanker | the wings exporter won't flip the map and I'm too lazy to do it myself |
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| 04:42.50 | A-Delusion | yes it will supertanker |
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| 04:43.06 | JeffM2501 | use blender, it'll let you edit the mesh UVs directly |
| 04:43.09 | supertanker | A-Delusion, strange, the highway was sticking out of the ground when I tried |
| 04:43.26 | A-Delusion | did you know you can export in obj format, directly from bzflag? |
| 04:43.37 | supertanker | A-Delusion, isn't it like /savemap -o ? |
| 04:43.48 | A-Delusion | saveworld |
| 04:43.50 | supertanker | JeffM2501, I got sick of that interface and the farclip plane which I could not figure out how to get rid of. Plus I like the grid which is 'exactly' 100 'units' in Wings |
| 04:44.48 | JeffM2501 | does wings edit UV coords? |
| 04:44.53 | A-Delusion | yes |
| 04:44.53 | supertanker | JeffM2501, I have no idea |
| 04:45.05 | JeffM2501 | does the texture look ok in wings? |
| 04:45.11 | A-Delusion | yes |
| 04:45.23 | JeffM2501 | but jacked in BZ? |
| 04:45.27 | A-Delusion | and that's what you get in bzflag too |
| 04:45.34 | JeffM2501 | they should match |
| 04:45.35 | JeffM2501 | on a mesh |
| 04:45.54 | supertanker | I don't put the textures in Wings, I add them as a material /matref in the file itself |
| 04:46.12 | JeffM2501 | you need a texture of some sort in wings to verify your UVs |
| 04:46.25 | A-Delusion | supertanker... next to export>>bzflag>>> you'll see a little box, that's the export prefs |
| 04:46.35 | A-Delusion | choose i |
| 04:46.36 | A-Delusion | t |
| 04:46.41 | supertanker | Okay |
| 04:46.55 | A-Delusion | flip x-y coords, check it |
| 04:47.01 | supertanker | Ah, okay, missed that |
| 04:47.31 | A-Delusion | I usually import at .001 multiples |
| 04:47.46 | A-Delusion | and export back at 100x |
| 04:47.55 | supertanker | Import? Is that for importing BZFlag maps? |
| 04:48.18 | A-Delusion | no |
| 04:48.23 | supertanker | I use the 'grid' as my world size, as far as I can tell it's 10 units and I scaled the group by 40. So would the export be 40? |
| 04:48.27 | A-Delusion | import .obj format only |
| 04:48.49 | supertanker | ah |
| 04:49.04 | A-Delusion | but you can save from bzflag as .obj ... import to wings as obj... then export as bzw again |
| 04:49.43 | A-Delusion | just remember to get your multiples correct |
| 04:49.59 | supertanker | Okay |
| 04:50.24 | supertanker | I have Export set to 40 because I use the full grid. 40 exports it to an exact worldsize of 400 if I fill the grid |
| 04:50.51 | supertanker | So, how would I texture in Wings3D |
| 04:51.15 | A-Delusion | that's a bit tougher, I'm still learning it myself |
| 04:51.34 | A-Delusion | we should go to a private conv |
| 04:57.36 | A-Delusion | he had mom probs |
| 04:59.17 | uso | blast007: only /playerlist shows if udp is up, not /lagstats |
| 05:26.29 | blast007 | uso: oh yeah... |
| 05:31.54 | Flash | ~slap blast007 |
| 05:32.01 | ibot | ACTION slaps blast007, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 05:32.05 | blast007 | :) |
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| 05:43.58 | Flash | ~minnowslap blast007 |
| 05:44.00 | ibot | ACTION waves a dead, smelly minnow in front of blast007's nose |
| 05:45.14 | blast007 | mmmm, fish! |
| 05:57.07 | wegstar | ~whaleslap Flash |
| 05:57.09 | ibot | ACTION beats Flash upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
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| 09:27.29 | bz38 | Can someone give me some help or advise? |
| 09:28.33 | bz38 | I keep trying to join the 2 castles that Ive played regulallry now for over a year and its not letting me in, it says refused by "MANU"? |
| 09:29.20 | ruskie | erm |
| 09:29.40 | ruskie | what callsign? |
| 09:29.43 | bz38 | paulrs |
| 09:32.33 | ruskie | 194.164.232.55 <-- this your ip? |
| 09:33.31 | bz38 | no im 128.0.3.14 |
| 09:33.39 | ruskie | hmm |
| 09:33.58 | Manu | bz38 let me see :) |
| 09:34.22 | ruskie | I must be blind |
| 09:34.30 | bz38 | lol why? |
| 09:34.31 | ruskie | I can't see an id ban nor an ip ban that would relate |
| 09:34.54 | Manu | yes, I banned him yesterday |
| 09:35.01 | Manu | bz38: are you paul...? |
| 09:35.03 | bz38 | why? |
| 09:35.05 | bz38 | i am |
| 09:35.20 | Manu | do you remember what did you do yesterday before left? |
| 09:35.36 | bz38 | i shot a same colour team mate? sorry |
| 09:36.01 | Manu | sorry..? we were blues and no reds joined |
| 09:36.06 | Manu | and is not the first time you do it |
| 09:36.50 | bz38 | i know but if theres no oposition then we can fight each other. Sorry if this is not done and i wont do it again |
| 09:37.02 | Manu | bz38: ok unbanned but don't tk on pourpose |
| 09:37.36 | Manu | bz38: you can play again |
| 09:37.42 | bz38 | thnaks, and see you there? hopefully on opposite teams !!! lol (joking) |
| 09:37.46 | Manu | ruskie: you are blind ;) |
| 09:37.53 | ruskie | thought so |
| 09:37.59 | Manu | bz38: I can't play now :( |
| 09:38.20 | ruskie | or maybe the server isn't showing be the full list |
| 09:38.29 | bz38 | ok Manu, hopefully soon and sorry for being a pain ! |
| 09:38.39 | Manu | yes, but just do: /banlist 194. :) |
| 09:38.44 | ruskie | ahh |
| 09:38.48 | Manu | bz38: :) |
| 09:39.24 | ruskie | so I guess no time to get the plugin working as well then? |
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| 09:47.05 | Manu | ruskie: nope :/ |
| 09:47.11 | ruskie | :( |
| 09:47.20 | ruskie | Pimpinella, how about you? |
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| 09:57.45 | Pimpinella | ruskie: ? |
| 09:58.00 | ruskie | installing the plugin? |
| 09:58.26 | Pimpinella | yep, a few other things to do first though ;) |
| 09:58.32 | Pimpinella | didn?t forget u |
| 09:58.35 | ruskie | like? |
| 09:58.41 | ruskie | ahh :) |
| 09:59.07 | Pimpinella | fixing 1vs1 plugin, breakfast, earning some money... |
| 09:59.26 | ruskie | enjoy... |
| 10:02.55 | ruskie | argh.... I'll be extremly happy when that's installed... now paulRs is trying to ctf on uneven teams all the time... |
| 10:03.08 | Manu | Pimpinella: earning money.. it sounds good ;) |
| 10:04.25 | Manu | ruskie: yes I have kicked him many times for it :/ |
| 10:04.26 | ruskie | I just /kill him... |
| 10:04.26 | ruskie | more fun that way |
| 10:04.26 | Manu | I guess he doesn't understand you /killed him |
| 10:04.26 | ruskie | he does get the idea now |
| 10:04.30 | ruskie | ppl started explaining to him the rules... |
| 10:04.41 | ruskie | which is imho good progress for players... |
| 10:04.56 | Manu | look, we don't need the plugin |
| 10:05.09 | Manu | without the plugin the ppl talk :) |
| 10:05.20 | Manu | is more friendly ;) |
| 10:05.51 | ruskie | they'll talk with it as well :) |
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| 10:09.22 | Manu | ruskie: without the plugin the players get involved in the game and the rules :) |
| 10:09.36 | ruskie | :) |
| 10:09.49 | ruskie | but they can't do much about ppl who don't care about the rules |
| 10:09.57 | Manu | with with the plugin we don't need so many cops ;) |
| 10:10.18 | Manu | hehe :) |
| 10:10.52 | ruskie | sure you do :) |
| 10:11.19 | Manu | you know I'm joking :) |
| 10:11.28 | ruskie | I know I know :) |
| 10:13.21 | ruskie | cops are always good... if nothing else to provide good targets for some players... |
| 10:33.24 | ruskie | hmm d0b0c0p started to play bzflag with a wheel :) |
| 10:53.02 | Pommes | a wheel ? |
| 10:53.18 | Manu | Pommes: mouse wheel |
| 10:54.06 | Pommes | is that allowed? |
| 10:54.13 | Manu | why not? |
| 10:54.35 | Pommes | I think there were some discussions about that in the guleague some while ago |
| 10:54.35 | Manu | you can use your keyboard and/or the mouse to shoot and move |
| 10:54.49 | Manu | you man the ME ;) |
| 10:54.52 | Manu | is not the same |
| 10:54.56 | Pommes | You could perhaps map shooting and forward-driving both on the wheel |
| 10:54.58 | Pommes | ah |
| 10:55.18 | ruskie | not mouse wheel |
| 10:55.29 | ruskie | game controller steering wheel |
| 10:55.35 | Pommes | oh - cool :) |
| 10:55.54 | Pommes | but I think too slow |
| 10:56.07 | Manu | :) |
| 10:56.47 | Pommes | erm - not I think to slow, but I think the wheel is to slow |
| 10:56.51 | Pommes | ;-) |
| 10:59.19 | ruskie | http://www.damnvulnerablelinux.org/ <-- interesting |
| 10:59.48 | Manu | Pommes: yes, it's too slow that's why I like to use it ;) |
| 11:01.37 | Pommes | Manu: erm - I don't get it - I think I think too slow - why would you use it if it's slow? |
| 11:02.05 | Manu | Pommes: because you are wrong ;) |
| 11:02.19 | Pommes | Manu: that explains it :) |
| 11:02.30 | Manu | probably I don't use the wheel in the way you guess |
| 11:03.42 | Pommes | Tell me how you use it (if it's not secret) :) |
| 11:04.01 | Manu | Pommes: discover it ;) |
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| 11:05.57 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/02/28/mp3_patent_suit/ <-- so someone will finnaly kill the mp3 format... long live ogg vorbis |
| 11:08.35 | Manu | ruskie: I'm not sure, they can add $2.0 to the final price of the product ;) |
| 11:08.48 | ruskie | still doesn't mean I'll buy it :) |
| 11:08.54 | Manu | :) |
| 11:09.02 | ruskie | if it can play ogg vorbis I'm not interested |
| 11:09.02 | ruskie | :) |
| 11:09.15 | Manu | if it can or can't? ;) |
| 11:09.52 | ruskie | can't |
| 11:09.53 | ruskie | :) |
| 11:10.03 | Manu | yes, I understood you |
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| 12:11.23 | brlcad | *gasp* .. the dreaded "refused by "MANU"" |
| 12:11.33 | brlcad | meanie |
| 12:11.42 | Manu | lol |
| 12:11.55 | Manu | good morning brlcad :) |
| 12:12.02 | brlcad | good morning :) |
| 12:48.48 | Pommes | Does anyone know why the ducati-dub-servers don't know the "/timelimit"-command anymore? |
| 13:01.09 | Chestal | oh? must be a configuration error or something |
| 13:02.27 | Chestal | I dropped pimpi a note |
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| 13:18.53 | Manu | Pommes: server was updated |
| 13:19.19 | Pimpinella | yep. i could oad the plugin without errors, so i assumed it was ok |
| 13:19.21 | Manu | probably Pimpinella forgot it :) |
| 13:19.33 | Manu | btw, hallo Pimpinella :) |
| 13:19.33 | Pimpinella | rebuilding it |
| 13:19.46 | Pimpinella | buenos dias Manu |
| 13:19.51 | Manu | :) |
| 13:20.08 | Manu | your spanish is getting better Pimpinella ;) |
| 13:20.17 | Pimpinella | ;) |
| 13:20.54 | Manu | Pimpinella: are you going to install that plugin ruskie said? |
| 13:21.15 | Pimpinella | yes, at least it?s worth a try |
| 13:21.26 | Manu | das ist gut :) |
| 13:22.18 | ruskie | weee |
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| 13:53.15 | Pimpinella | ok, timelimit works again |
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| 14:38.15 | Pommes | ~Pimpinella++ |
| 14:38.16 | Pommes | ty! |
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| 15:19.23 | ruskie | lol ppl are in somewhat of an extasy over that plugin finnaly installed... |
| 15:20.56 | Manu | :) |
| 15:21.13 | ts | ruskie: Guess why.. |
| 15:21.28 | ts | Manu: Do we have a jitterkick, too now? |
| 15:28.11 | ruskie | don't think so |
| 15:28.17 | Manu | if it's in 2.0.x yes |
| 15:28.25 | Manu | but I guess no |
| 15:28.28 | ruskie | there's a plugin for it think |
| 15:28.52 | ruskie | there's also a kick and ban repeat laggers plugin I think... ro some such... which would be nice |
| 15:39.00 | ruskie | erm Manu there's a "My Manu" on viper |
| 15:39.05 | ruskie | says you gave him the nick |
| 15:41.04 | ruskie | ahhh |
| 15:41.07 | ruskie | might have been LOST... |
| 15:48.40 | ts | Manu: Someone backported it to v2_0branch |
| 15:49.18 | ruskie | lol OsoBimbo finds me annoying for enforcing the rules... and he admits to intentionaly breaking them... |
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| 15:51.06 | ts | ruskie: heh, intentionally breaking.. |
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| 15:51.43 | ruskie | no wonder he always came gunning after me after I /killed him for uneven cap... |
| 15:51.58 | ts | just ban ;) |
| 15:52.02 | ruskie | naahhh |
| 15:52.06 | ruskie | he can't do much now :) |
| 15:53.00 | ts | now is different from the past :p |
| 15:53.24 | ruskie | other than annoy the other team by camping at the red flag... |
| 15:53.32 | ruskie | constantly picking it up and dropping it |
| 15:53.41 | ruskie | but that can be easily avoided by a /poll kick :) |
| 15:55.23 | JBdiGriz | I just kick them and tell them to rejoin to even up the teams. It helps to solve both problems. |
| 15:55.48 | ruskie | nahhh we had to much fun doing /kill on them :) |
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| 15:56.52 | ruskie | and kicking is disruptive to one's gameplay... |
| 15:57.02 | ruskie | I rarely reqoin after a kick |
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| 16:01.09 | uso | Manu: jitterkick is in 2.0.9 already for a while |
| 16:01.18 | uso | you only have to configure it ;) |
| 16:03.12 | menotume | hmm, where should i look if my shots are blanks? I mean, i shoot, but no one sees my shots, i can't kill any1 |
| 16:03.23 | menotume | new FC6 install, fresh 2.0.8 compile, ifrewall off |
| 16:03.40 | ruskie | I ussualy shoot my shoots are seen but pass through ppl :( |
| 16:03.47 | menotume | lol |
| 16:04.18 | menotume | also, sound effectsplay at about 2x normal speed :( |
| 16:04.40 | EbErT | weird menotume |
| 16:04.54 | menotume | yes, i am, but back to the problem :P |
| 16:05.24 | EbErT | your computer is willing to work extra fast today, dont judge it! |
| 16:05.31 | menotume | lol |
| 16:06.20 | uso | menotume: 64bit? |
| 16:06.36 | menotume | uso, yes |
| 16:06.45 | menotume | C2Duo |
| 16:07.11 | uso | iirc this should be fixed in 2.0.9 CVS |
| 16:07.21 | menotume | ahh, both probs ? |
| 16:07.33 | uso | at least the one with the shots |
| 16:07.39 | menotume | ohh, good |
| 16:07.44 | ts | problem packing floats, IIRC |
| 16:07.46 | menotume | i can look into the sound stuff |
| 16:07.58 | menotume | ahhhh, makes sense, thx ! |
| 16:08.18 | ts | too fast driving is maybe because of OS/CPU combination |
| 16:08.35 | menotume | too fast driving ? |
| 16:08.43 | menotume | i want that problem :P |
| 16:08.52 | ts | some have |
| 16:09.14 | menotume | ah, i found a thread on the 'too fast sound' |
| 16:09.29 | ts | I don't think those like it because it's easy to spot when they are much too fast |
| 16:09.46 | menotume | ts: tank is not fast, sound is |
| 16:10.25 | A-Delusion | what's default friction? |
| 16:10.33 | ts | Didn't hear that yet from someone else menotume |
| 16:11.10 | menotume | the sound thing is prob just my new nix install |
| 16:11.16 | menotume | i need to tweak/experiment |
| 16:14.23 | A-Delusion | nok |
| 16:19.43 | Manu | ruskie: Yes he is LOST |
| 16:20.25 | Manu | uso: we had it in viper too ;) |
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| 16:25.35 | Kaire | hello |
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| 16:27.00 | Kaire | hello serves me then an aid when I write on bzflag I say the game nn me I write the msg perche? |
| 16:27.18 | ruskie | can you make coherent sentances |
| 16:27.43 | TimRiker | ~spell sentances |
| 16:28.53 | Kaire | sorry but nn I have understood nn I understand some very! |
| 16:29.15 | TheRedBaron | Kaire: where are you from? |
| 16:29.42 | Kaire | there is someone that parlla in Italian? and that puo to help me? some moderator conesso? |
| 16:29.49 | Kaire | onlyne* |
| 16:30.00 | TheRedBaron | Kaire: You speak italian? |
| 16:30.24 | Kaire | yes |
| 16:30.50 | TheRedBaron | Does anyone else here speak italian? |
| 16:30.53 | ts | Tupone speaks italian, too but he isn't here now |
| 16:30.57 | ruskie | sadly I don't... |
| 16:31.10 | TheRedBaron | ts: and blue_Eyes also, but he isn't here also |
| 16:31.17 | TheRedBaron | where is our italian faction? |
| 16:31.25 | ruskie | lost in Italy ;) |
| 16:31.28 | ts | hehe |
| 16:31.31 | TheRedBaron | good place to be lost :) |
| 16:33.14 | Kaire | however I wanted to know perche lately me seems from 2 days nn me writes piu the mesaggi on bzflag I say the game and sometimes it lets out me perche says to me I must effetuare login what I must make? nn it is that there are delgi errors? |
| 16:33.43 | ruskie | ahhh login problems |
| 16:34.38 | Kaire | what I would have to make?+ |
| 16:34.58 | ruskie | you should register on the forum and then use those login details as your callsign and password... |
| 16:35.14 | menotume | register at my.bzflag.org/bb |
| 16:36.39 | Kaire | I have recorded myself on the forum I am I am active perhaps and every time that game is gia mine pass and my name and the same one is these errors nn has activated to me well on the game that you say some? sapete when conette tupone? |
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| 16:37.35 | TheRedBaron | Kaire: you have to check your e-mail |
| 16:37.41 | menotume | confirmed, user Kaire is active |
| 16:37.47 | TheRedBaron | okies |
| 16:38.04 | ruskie | if I understood that he/she is active on the forum |
| 16:38.04 | menotume | Kaire: put your password in the logon screen, right under you name "Kaire" |
| 16:38.07 | ruskie | so it works... |
| 16:38.36 | Kaire | ok it waits for that mo I see! |
| 16:38.55 | ruskie | lol... slowhandd just tried grabbing the flag on uneven teams and failed miserably ;) |
| 16:39.17 | Manu | Kaire: scriva il nome e la parola d'acceso nel menu del bzflag |
| 16:39.59 | Kaire | sei italiano manu? |
| 16:40.09 | Manu | no, spagnolo ;) |
| 16:40.18 | Kaire | ^^ pero lo capisci |
| 16:40.29 | Kaire | cmq io lo scrivo |
| 16:40.31 | Manu | si |
| 16:40.45 | Kaire | ma mi dice sempre efetuare il login |
| 16:41.01 | Kaire | i altri mi hanno detto forse devo attivarmi tramite emal |
| 16:41.04 | Kaire | email* |
| 16:41.15 | Kaire | ma io nn la ho se ne posso averne un altra |
| 16:41.25 | Kaire | si puo? |
| 16:42.37 | Manu | Kaire: è acttivo |
| 16:42.50 | Kaire | lo avevo capito infatti |
| 16:42.57 | Kaire | strano |
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| 16:45.18 | Kaire | eccomi |
| 16:45.26 | Kaire | manu ci 6? |
| 16:45.36 | Manu | benvenuto :) |
| 16:45.46 | Kaire | sono sempr eio kaire |
| 16:45.50 | Kaire | sempre io* |
| 16:46.23 | menotume | ~Manu++ |
| 16:46.32 | menotume | dunno , but it looked good |
| 16:46.38 | Manu | he needs to use a true irc client :/ |
| 16:46.48 | menotume | ohh |
| 16:48.11 | ruskie | hmm interesting... repeat players with (5 yrs old) and (7 yrs old) in their email fields... and such |
| 16:48.12 | Manu | menotume: his last words: it's me Kaire, always I |
| 16:48.45 | menotume | hmm :) |
| 16:48.45 | Manu | my italian is not very good but I can understand him :) |
| 16:49.10 | Manu | I learned italian playing bzflag ;) |
| 16:49.18 | menotume | i couldn't understand much of his babblefishy english |
| 16:49.28 | ruskie | I could after a while |
| 16:49.36 | Manu | I guess is not babelfish :) |
| 16:49.52 | ruskie | a bit of uncommon logic ussualy helps... |
| 16:49.58 | Manu | he writes half italianglish and half italian |
| 16:50.06 | Manu | :) |
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| 16:58.55 | menotume | well, the 'fast sound' problem is kinda cool with the donkey sound :P Interestingly, it seems to be fixed in 2.1, or perhpas the sound driver is different there |
| 16:59.26 | menotume | ~uso++ yep, 2.0.9 shots work :) |
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| 17:14.33 | JeffM2501 | well at least Kaire got off the caps bandwagon it seems |
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| 17:21.57 | Thonolan | menotume: hellos |
| 17:22.16 | Thonolan | and hi Manu:) |
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| 17:44.59 | menotume | ciaolono |
| 17:45.28 | Thonolan | :) |
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| 18:20.57 | Manu | hallo Thonolan :) |
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| 18:46.16 | Manu | heh, Kaire is playing :) |
| 18:46.49 | JeffM2501 | in all caps? |
| 18:47.44 | Manu | all caps down |
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| 19:08.36 | rickman | hey |
| 19:08.41 | rickman | I am new to all of this |
| 19:08.57 | JeffM2501 | the interweb or IRC in general? |
| 19:09.09 | rickman | Can anyone give me any tips for BZFlag |
| 19:09.16 | rickman | no the game sorry lol |
| 19:09.20 | JeffM2501 | shoot people, don't die |
| 19:09.22 | rickman | lol |
| 19:09.31 | JeffM2501 | but don't shoot the wrong people |
| 19:09.32 | rickman | good suggestion |
| 19:09.38 | rickman | are there 4 teams? |
| 19:09.50 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 19:10.01 | rickman | okay, and you can steal the other teams flag? |
| 19:10.11 | JeffM2501 | and the rogue team |
| 19:10.15 | JeffM2501 | if it's a CTF game |
| 19:10.23 | JeffM2501 | in FFA you just shoot other teams |
| 19:10.28 | rickman | can you explain that for me? |
| 19:10.33 | rickman | CTF? |
| 19:10.37 | JeffM2501 | CTF is a game type |
| 19:10.40 | JeffM2501 | capture the flag |
| 19:10.48 | rickman | ol |
| 19:10.48 | JeffM2501 | you capture the other team's flag, and take it back to your base |
| 19:10.49 | rickman | ok |
| 19:10.52 | JeffM2501 | you get a cap point |
| 19:11.03 | JeffM2501 | in FFA or Free For All, it's like team deathmatch |
| 19:11.07 | rickman | Free For All = FFA |
| 19:11.08 | JeffM2501 | you just kill people on other teams |
| 19:11.09 | rickman | o sorry |
| 19:11.12 | rickman | lag lol |
| 19:11.14 | JeffM2501 | for points |
| 19:11.17 | rickman | okay |
| 19:11.22 | rickman | but no flag for that one? |
| 19:11.28 | JeffM2501 | yeah, no flags to cap |
| 19:11.31 | JeffM2501 | team flags |
| 19:11.39 | JeffM2501 | there are aslo white superflags |
| 19:11.41 | rickman | so where is the flag usually? |
| 19:11.43 | JeffM2501 | that can give you powers |
| 19:11.49 | rickman | Yes, I figured that out |
| 19:11.59 | rickman | WHere is the team flag |
| 19:12.02 | JeffM2501 | the team flag spaws at the team base |
| 19:12.04 | rickman | I have seen my own before |
| 19:12.06 | JeffM2501 | but teams cam move there flag |
| 19:12.09 | rickman | ok |
| 19:12.10 | JeffM2501 | wherever |
| 19:12.16 | rickman | where to you bring it? |
| 19:12.20 | rickman | just into your base? |
| 19:12.27 | JeffM2501 | wherever you want |
| 19:12.34 | rickman | no, the enemy flag |
| 19:12.41 | JeffM2501 | has to go one one of your base objects |
| 19:12.47 | rickman | okay |
| 19:12.49 | JeffM2501 | big round circle thingy |
| 19:12.52 | JeffM2501 | hard to miss |
| 19:13.00 | rickman | oh, thats what those are |
| 19:13.13 | rickman | thank you sooo much for your help |
| 19:13.24 | JeffM2501 | no prob |
| 19:13.27 | rickman | I love this game, and I have been playing for 20 minutes |
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| 19:28.33 | CBG | Has anyone ever developed a "filter removal plugin" ? |
| 19:31.04 | CBG | Well, it'd be a patch, anyway, but, still, any such thing, ever ? |
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| 19:46.14 | brad | CBG: that sounds kinda useless ;) |
| 19:46.31 | brad | if you don't want a filter then don't use one |
| 19:48.55 | CBG | Nah, talking about client side. |
| 19:49.43 | CBG | hence why I corrected myself on the use of "plugin". |
| 19:50.09 | donny_baker | but if it is filtered on the server side, how will the client unfilter it? |
| 19:50.41 | brad | ? |
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| 19:51.33 | donny_baker | what would the filter removal unfilter, it has to be filtered somewher |
| 19:51.57 | CBG | donny_baker: I assumed the same, just checking on it. |
| 19:52.24 | CBG | So much is client side, who's to say that the word isn't marked as "to be filtered" and then actually filtered client-side? |
| 19:52.27 | brad | is this for admins to see what "bad" language is actually said? |
| 19:52.27 | CBG | Stranger things have happened. |
| 19:52.49 | donny_baker | hehe, guess i hadn't thought of it that way :) |
| 19:52.51 | CBG | brad: it could be used for that. I actually don't believe that it ever existed, just checking. |
| 19:53.24 | randomparticle | i was on viper typing "!@?@" (just punctuation marks) to see if they would warn me :) |
| 19:54.28 | randomparticle | apparently it is not allowed to swear, even if nobody gets to see it because it's filtered |
| 19:54.31 | CBG | I've done that before, got banned there. |
| 19:54.34 | randomparticle | which is an interesting concept |
| 19:54.50 | CBG | Some of the admins there are such nazis.... |
| 19:55.01 | randomparticle | heh |
| 19:55.04 | CBG | Dude, nobody can see whatever supposedly rude word I said, drop it. |
| 19:55.07 | donny_baker | we ban from our logs on norang, even though it is filtered, quite often |
| 19:55.25 | CBG | It's the main reason I hardly ever play there now. |
| 19:55.34 | randomparticle | i guess you could argue that eventually, they are the kind of person who will chance upon something that isn't filtered |
| 19:56.10 | CBG | Why have a filter if some disallowed words are not on it? ;) |
| 19:56.56 | donny_baker | well it is the unique "spellings" that usually get through |
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| 19:59.15 | rickman | hey |
| 19:59.18 | CBG | hola |
| 19:59.19 | rickman | I saw this tank |
| 19:59.26 | rickman | and he had this circle thing around him |
| 19:59.32 | rickman | and he was flying around |
| 19:59.34 | randomparticle | hmm |
| 19:59.35 | rickman | what is that |
| 19:59.37 | brad | NR |
| 19:59.39 | brad | not responding |
| 19:59.41 | rickman | NR? |
| 19:59.48 | randomparticle | ah, that's not a circle |
| 19:59.52 | randomparticle | it's a sphere :) |
| 19:59.54 | brad | a spher |
| 20:00.04 | rickman | lol, transparent gfx |
| 20:00.05 | brad | e |
| 20:00.07 | rickman | what is that |
| 20:00.22 | rickman | some sort of auseom flag? |
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| 20:00.36 | randomparticle | no, it happens when a player loses contact with the server |
| 20:00.52 | rickman | oh, lol, it was awsome, he was just floating around |
| 20:00.55 | randomparticle | there's no way of knowing where they can be, so they just float around |
| 20:01.02 | rickman | lol! |
| 20:03.57 | randomparticle | hmm.. is the x1900xt really very noisy? |
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| 20:09.32 | rickman | how do I teleport |
| 20:09.55 | rickman | i had this zoned flaggy thing |
| 20:10.07 | randomparticle | phantom zone? |
| 20:10.09 | rickman | What does that do? |
| 20:10.22 | rickman | It said that teleporting toggles zoned something |
| 20:10.32 | rickman | So i was wondering how you teleport |
| 20:10.49 | randomparticle | yeah.. with that flag you can only be shot by a few weapons when you go through the tele |
| 20:11.02 | rickman | wheres the tele? |
| 20:11.09 | randomparticle | downside of it is, you can't shoot anything either |
| 20:11.10 | rickman | I didnt know there was teleporting |
| 20:11.22 | rickman | the screen thing? |
| 20:11.59 | rickman | ? |
| 20:12.14 | rickman | ... |
| 20:12.23 | rickman | ... |
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| 20:12.29 | randomparticle | it looks like this |_| but upside down :) |
| 20:12.30 | rickman | ... |
| 20:12.31 | brlcad | CBG: heh, it is filtered on the server |
| 20:12.35 | rickman | how do you rteleport |
| 20:13.16 | rickman | can someone please answer my question? |
| 20:13.19 | brlcad | there is also a client-side filter, but pretty much nobody knows about it or uses it as it's not exposed by the menus -- you have to edit your config to turn it on |
| 20:13.35 | brlcad | rickman: seriously, a little patience |
| 20:13.42 | randomparticle | just walk through it, rickman |
| 20:14.02 | randomparticle | see this pic: http://www.winsoftware.de/screenshots/big/bzflag.jpg ? |
| 20:14.07 | rickman | I have never seen a teleport, what do they look like |
| 20:14.08 | randomparticle | the teleport is the striped thing |
| 20:14.10 | rickman | ok |
| 20:14.19 | randomparticle | yellow and black stripes |
| 20:14.26 | rickman | Not in the games I played |
| 20:14.28 | rickman | thanks |
| 20:14.48 | CBG | hey, brlcad, you never do know about these things... ;) |
| 20:14.48 | randomparticle | just look for something similar |
| 20:14.58 | randomparticle | not identical, similar |
| 20:15.14 | brlcad | CBG: an interesting concept though.. it would be a pretty easy mod to actually have the server tell the clients that it's not going to filter, and then have clients optionally filter themselves |
| 20:15.57 | CBG | yeah, 'interesting' ;) |
| 20:16.05 | randomparticle | why not have completely local filtering and everyone can choose their own filter lists? |
| 20:16.05 | brlcad | heh, sometimes you don't know, but in this instance I specifically know because that's the way I made it :) |
| 20:16.20 | brlcad | randomparticle: that's what I just said -- you can do that now |
| 20:16.26 | brlcad | but nobody uses it |
| 20:16.30 | brlcad | or knows that it exists |
| 20:16.37 | CBG | brlcad: sure, I meant we regular players never can be too sure.. :) |
| 20:16.42 | randomparticle | right, but the server is still telling the client something about filtering according to your comment |
| 20:16.45 | CBG | we see what happens but not why or how :) |
| 20:16.52 | randomparticle | does the server need to be involved at all? |
| 20:17.26 | randomparticle | and have strict filtering as a default, i guess |
| 20:17.31 | brlcad | no, I was saying that would be an interesting mod |
| 20:17.42 | brlcad | the client is entirely independent as it currently stands |
| 20:17.47 | randomparticle | ok |
| 20:18.05 | brlcad | if you turn on the filter in the client now, and add the word 'the', you will never see the word 'the' regardless of the server |
| 20:19.12 | brlcad | actually I think if you do a /localset filter "/path/to/filter" that may just enable the client filter .. it's something like that, pretty trivial |
| 20:19.20 | randomparticle | diff issue: is the physics engine going to be separated from the other code? |
| 20:19.39 | brlcad | er |
| 20:19.42 | brlcad | maybe? |
| 20:19.51 | brlcad | a bit speculative until someone actually does it ;) |
| 20:19.54 | CBG | brlcad: and that filter file can be edited on the fly? |
| 20:20.07 | CBG | (local, now) |
| 20:20.07 | brlcad | CBG: what do you mean? |
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| 20:20.14 | brlcad | by on the fly |
| 20:20.14 | billis95 | hi |
| 20:20.16 | randomparticle | i've been thinking about this a little lately.. lightweight engine, clocked to a fixed frequency, that can be used by both the client and server |
| 20:20.26 | CBG | say I do a /localset filter... with a blank file... |
| 20:20.28 | brlcad | randomparticle: you mean like ode |
| 20:20.29 | billis95 | hi jeff |
| 20:20.46 | randomparticle | oh, i don't know anything about that |
| 20:21.05 | CBG | then, without closing the game, edit that file, will I see the words filtered in the game straight away? |
| 20:21.07 | CBG | or Might I have to restart the client? |
| 20:21.20 | brlcad | some of the work tupone has going integrating crystalspace involves using ODE |
| 20:21.31 | brlcad | as does the similar ideas testing out OGRE3D |
| 20:21.44 | brlcad | CBG: hm |
| 20:21.50 | randomparticle | *googling frantically* |
| 20:21.51 | brlcad | probably have to restart the client |
| 20:22.14 | brlcad | would be my guess at least.. I don't think the code that loads a file watches for changes |
| 20:22.35 | brlcad | randomparticle: search for just "ODE" |
| 20:22.37 | brlcad | second link |
| 20:22.38 | randomparticle | ok |
| 20:25.08 | randomparticle | also, the new dead reckoning - does that apply to shots too? |
| 20:25.20 | randomparticle | seems to me it should |
| 20:30.20 | JeffM2501 | shots are the best example of DR :) |
| 20:30.29 | JeffM2501 | for all but GM they can be totaly precomputed |
| 20:30.39 | randomparticle | yes |
| 20:31.04 | JeffM2501 | the only part about DR I'm not sure they hanle now is the inital position |
| 20:31.34 | randomparticle | i mentioned it because some shots are not showing properly on 2.1.x recording replays |
| 20:31.44 | JeffM2501 | that's something else |
| 20:31.47 | randomparticle | could be a diff issue tho |
| 20:31.50 | JeffM2501 | it is |
| 20:31.57 | JeffM2501 | it's the game mode stuff changed, and dosn't get saved right |
| 20:32.01 | randomparticle | is that to do with clock sync? |
| 20:32.03 | JeffM2501 | so it dosn't compute ricos |
| 20:32.04 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:32.32 | JeffM2501 | tho I'm not sure how replay and the timestamp will work out |
| 20:32.34 | randomparticle | how does the new clock stuff work with recording playback? |
| 20:32.40 | JeffM2501 | probably dosn't |
| 20:32.43 | JeffM2501 | that should be evaluated |
| 20:32.57 | JeffM2501 | the replay should probably save off a starting time, and then the server use that as an offset |
| 20:33.06 | JeffM2501 | thent he saved timestamps will be valid |
| 20:33.56 | JeffM2501 | ether that or record the timestamps as a delta |
| 20:34.02 | JeffM2501 | from some fixed point in the recording. |
| 20:34.09 | JeffM2501 | ether of those methods will work |
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| 20:35.52 | randomparticle | should be possible to get a much more accurate view of a match from such a recording |
| 20:36.01 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 20:36.04 | JeffM2501 | that's the point of it |
| 20:36.12 | randomparticle | sounds good |
| 20:36.17 | JeffM2501 | more accurate state in recording, as well as at any point in time on the server |
| 20:37.21 | randomparticle | clients could buffer too, to eliminate the effect of their lag at playback time |
| 20:37.36 | JeffM2501 | better to have the server do it |
| 20:37.51 | JeffM2501 | clients shold not care if the packets are from a real server or a replay |
| 20:38.06 | JeffM2501 | the dumber the client the better :) |
| 20:38.36 | JeffM2501 | if all the packets were properly stamped with a current server time, they'd DR them properly cus they'd have sycned clocks based on there current lag |
| 20:38.42 | JeffM2501 | so i'd not matter |
| 20:38.53 | randomparticle | that would simplify coding, but if you want the most accurate picture of what happened, then as little dr extrapolation as possible is a good thing |
| 20:39.22 | randomparticle | or you can just sit in a room next to the server :) |
| 20:40.17 | JeffM2501 | we can't relly on a client for an accurate state, if we can't get one on the server, we are screwed in the long run |
| 20:42.44 | randomparticle | hmm.. hopping to another question.. can i ask you if these ping stats look normal: http://pastebin.ca/raw/376073 ? |
| 20:42.55 | randomparticle | wireless, router approx 10ft away in next room |
| 20:43.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah for wireless |
| 20:43.35 | randomparticle | i think that part of the route must be responsible for my playing jitter |
| 20:43.43 | JeffM2501 | wireless can cause a lot of jitter |
| 20:43.48 | randomparticle | which some say is too high |
| 20:43.48 | JeffM2501 | it's just not that stable |
| 20:43.56 | randomparticle | so what causes it to vary? |
| 20:43.58 | JeffM2501 | your getting a good 10ms variation |
| 20:43.59 | Birdie | gah somethimes it doesnt remember my pass on bzbb, somethimes it does (without deleting history cookies or passwords..it worked an hour ago, not now) |
| 20:44.02 | JeffM2501 | the wirelessness of it |
| 20:44.08 | randomparticle | inteference? |
| 20:44.17 | JeffM2501 | just the nature of how wireless works |
| 20:44.22 | randomparticle | ah, ok |
| 20:44.22 | JeffM2501 | the speed of the router, |
| 20:44.24 | JeffM2501 | lots of stuff |
| 20:44.46 | JeffM2501 | it's not as solid as a wire |
| 20:44.52 | randomparticle | i think the router is probably pretty crummy too |
| 20:44.58 | JeffM2501 | since it has to be able to comp for interference |
| 20:45.09 | randomparticle | i've heard bad reports about some of these d-link routers |
| 20:45.09 | JeffM2501 | crap in -> crap out |
| 20:45.23 | JeffM2501 | some dlinks are good, some are iffy |
| 20:45.40 | randomparticle | i'd try updating the firmware, but am scared stiff of doing that |
| 20:46.34 | JeffM2501 | your realy only looking at a dif of 0.01 seconds, that's well withi the realm of small interferince, a drive spining up, or a clock on the router taking 2 ticks instead of 1 to sort out the signal |
| 20:46.49 | randomparticle | i see |
| 20:46.58 | JeffM2501 | these arn't huge timespans :) |
| 20:47.39 | randomparticle | well, you know, people can get quite upset about 10ms of jitter, though i can't say i've every been overly bothered by it |
| 20:48.00 | JeffM2501 | jitter does suck |
| 20:48.09 | JeffM2501 | specialy with how we compute DR |
| 20:48.44 | randomparticle | the effects seem somehow disproportionate |
| 20:48.53 | randomparticle | a tank can't travel very far in 10ms |
| 20:49.48 | randomparticle | 10ms is not very much time at all. even brain lag (reaction time) is an order of magnitude greater than taht |
| 20:50.28 | randomparticle | but i guess those figures are averages. the instantaneous jitter might be much higher |
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| 21:28.45 | uso | JeffM2501: is there anywhere a description how the synced clock and the lag compensation works in 2.1? |
| 21:28.54 | uso | besides the source ;) |
| 21:29.05 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 21:29.10 | CBG | you mean "documentation"? heh |
| 21:29.11 | JeffM2501 | it's REALY simple tho |
| 21:29.31 | JeffM2501 | client sends a message to server |
| 21:29.40 | JeffM2501 | server sends back the server time |
| 21:29.54 | JeffM2501 | client comps tha for 1/2 the round trip and applys that as an offset to it's clock |
| 21:30.04 | JeffM2501 | then uses that to timestamp all motion updates |
| 21:30.38 | JeffM2501 | then when it gets an update from a player, instead of just assuming that the position is where it is in the update, it then does the normal per frame DR, based on the time between the stamp and the time it is now |
| 21:30.56 | JeffM2501 | moving the client to where they "should" be right now |
| 21:31.08 | JeffM2501 | that's it |
| 21:31.47 | uso | this is also done with the shots? |
| 21:31.54 | JeffM2501 | that I'm not sure |
| 21:32.02 | JeffM2501 | the shots no longer have a postion |
| 21:32.13 | JeffM2501 | as they are seent witha player update |
| 21:32.39 | uso | but they have a start point and a vector |
| 21:33.15 | uso | point means 4D, including start time |
| 21:33.20 | JeffM2501 | yeah, that's computed on the server using the DRed postion |
| 21:33.43 | JeffM2501 | I have to make sure they are DRed on recepit as well, I don't think they are yet. |
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| 21:34.06 | uso | so you will not see the first part of the shot movement if you play with high (combined) lag? |
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| 21:43.10 | jftsang | ~bzfquery 88.108.195.195:5154 |
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| 21:45.20 | jftsang | ~bzfquery 88.108.195.195:5154 |
| 21:45.55 | jftsang | how does it work |
| 21:46.01 | jftsang | i rec no resp |
| 21:46.36 | CBG | ~bzfquery cbg.bzflag.org:4747 |
| 21:46.43 | CBG | It's working. |
| 21:46.49 | jftsang | ok |
| 21:46.57 | jftsang | ~bzfquery 88.108.195.195:5154 |
| 21:47.04 | jftsang | i forgot to put my server online |
| 21:47.10 | jftsang | :( |
| 21:51.34 | jftsang | it still doesnt work |
| 21:51.36 | jftsang | :( |
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| 21:54.25 | RatOmeter | any admin types seen a player "grassucker" getting kicked with endshot problems? Or being invulnerable to lasers? |
| 21:58.16 | TD-Linux | I saw furble do that... of course :) |
| 22:00.52 | RatOmeter | Hmmm. his version reports as 2.0.8 like most others, but built with VC8 instead of VC71 like most Win32 clients |
| 22:00.55 | RatOmeter | anyway, he was last seen and 87.174.87.147, though I've seen him at other IPs in 87.174.*.* |
| 22:01.03 | RatOmeter | and -> at |
| 22:01.04 | brlcad | JeffM2501: precomputed GM? |
| 22:01.56 | brlcad | the user can lock on and off on a whim, changing trajectories |
| 22:01.59 | JeffM2501 | I said other then GM |
| 22:02.00 | jftsang | grabbed Wings flag |
| 22:02.03 | brlcad | ahh |
| 22:02.08 | jftsang | dropped Wings flag |
| 22:02.10 | jftsang | blew myself u |
| 22:02.11 | JeffM2501 | tho I want to move that GM lock to the server :) |
| 22:02.11 | brlcad | misread then |
| 22:02.28 | JeffM2501 | make the lock stick per shot at fire time. |
| 22:02.33 | brlcad | it can still be server, just not precomputed ;) |
| 22:02.38 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:03.23 | brlcad | though I suppose you could re/pre-compute as needed as they lock on/off .. but I'd think that'd be more wasteful/slower than precomputing each time |
| 22:03.45 | jftsang | grabbed Guided Missile flag |
| 22:03.50 | jftsang | locked on me |
| 22:04.01 | JeffM2501 | jftsang, what are you doing? |
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| 22:05.02 | ruskie | trying to be annoynig I'd say |
| 22:05.08 | JeffM2501 | RatOmeter, that the guy on vista? |
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| 22:07.00 | RatOmeter | JeffM2501: Hmmm, I don't think I can tell? |
| 22:07.07 | JeffM2501 | you probably can't |
| 22:07.19 | JeffM2501 | but VC8 is the compiler that vista uses |
| 22:07.41 | JeffM2501 | s/he may have compiled it trying to build a "vista compatable" version |
| 22:08.00 | RatOmeter | yeah, but it's also the present version you get with VC "Express" for free (I think) |
| 22:08.01 | JeffM2501 | as there was someone here yesterday with UDP issues in visata |
| 22:08.08 | RatOmeter | ah |
| 22:08.09 | JeffM2501 | yes it is |
| 22:08.41 | RatOmeter | maybe I'll unban him and ask ;) |
| 22:08.57 | JeffM2501 | it's generaly best to talk to somone before you ban them if that's possible |
| 22:09.01 | JeffM2501 | warnings are always good |
| 22:09.41 | RatOmeter | Oh, yes. I warned him several times a day or 2 ago after he'd been autokicked for "EndShot: 6" about 5 times |
| 22:10.10 | JeffM2501 | did he respond? |
| 22:10.12 | TD-Linux | wow, furble was doing the exact same thing |
| 22:10.46 | RatOmeter | then banned him for a day with a msg that he had a client-side problem to fix. And today, he's back, acting innocent "I swear!" was the one thing he said in his defense |
| 22:11.11 | JeffM2501 | swear what? |
| 22:11.19 | RatOmeter | that's all he said ;) |
| 22:11.20 | JeffM2501 | that he wont' do it again, or he had no idea |
| 22:11.22 | JeffM2501 | odd |
| 22:16.12 | RatOmeter | If you're familiar with the "Missile war [4 team CTF]" map, you'll know you can't really get away with shooting a laser at the inside walls of a base without killing yourself, well he was firing all around inside an enemy base, got about 7 kills, never got himself. |
| 22:16.37 | JeffM2501 | it's quite posibly a cheater |
| 22:16.43 | JeffM2501 | but it may not be |
| 22:16.48 | JeffM2501 | the comunication will tell the truth |
| 22:16.59 | RatOmeter | his score was 31 to 2, and he just wasn't that good a player. |
| 22:17.23 | RatOmeter | yeah, his lack of communication is about all I have right now |
| 22:18.43 | RatOmeter | I'd chalk that up to him being German, but he was chattering about how he'd like it if TV shows could be projected as a texture on the side of tanks so he could watch TV while playing |
| 22:19.25 | TD-Linux | not a whole lot of space on a tank for that :) |
| 22:20.47 | JeffM2501 | wtf? |
| 22:20.51 | RatOmeter | Heh, true. But his musings seemed to prove a good enough command of English to offer some explanation or defence |
| 22:21.10 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/MainWindow.cxx: Fixed segv when joystick is unplugged |
| 22:21.26 | JeffM2501 | how goes the port Tupone ? |
| 22:22.06 | RatOmeter | a port? To what, may I ask? |
| 22:22.28 | Tupone | good, removing some fault signalled by Manu. But still an invisible word, with invisble tanks, and no text |
| 22:22.31 | JeffM2501 | crystal space for a backend engine |
| 22:23.04 | JeffM2501 | does it look like there is promice for it tho? |
| 22:23.16 | Tupone | just a fake textured word that I navigate with observed tanks, and trying to shoot following the sound |
| 22:23.41 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:23.50 | Tupone | I think so, I will put the tank as soon as I fix the other segv |
| 22:23.57 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 22:24.06 | JeffM2501 | if you need the model converted to another format, let me know |
| 22:24.25 | Tupone | the shot, that will be harder I guess |
| 22:24.44 | JeffM2501 | you can do what I did in 2.1 for the geobolt, and draw it with geometry |
| 22:24.52 | JeffM2501 | but they don't have a billboard object? |
| 22:25.00 | JeffM2501 | I'd think they'd use those in there particle system |
| 22:25.05 | Tupone | The important things Is that I'm having fun doing it |
| 22:25.11 | JeffM2501 | that is the important thing |
| 22:25.31 | RatOmeter | Interesting. FlightGear is now going through a port from plib to Open SceneGraph. |
| 22:25.52 | JeffM2501 | osg is very powerfull |
| 22:26.10 | JeffM2501 | I can see reasons why a flight sim would want it |
| 22:26.47 | RatOmeter | heh, yes. right now there are 2 concerns... that it'll slow the framerate and push the next release wayyyyyyyy back. |
| 22:27.09 | JeffM2501 | the second I could see |
| 22:27.16 | JeffM2501 | I don't know what kind of scene database they use tho |
| 22:27.33 | JeffM2501 | if it's just an octree, I can't see how one verison would be that horibly diferent |
| 22:36.36 | RatOmeter | does the "current players" feature at my.bzflag.org show all players, including unregistered? |
| 22:36.44 | JeffM2501 | IIRC yes |
| 22:36.51 | RatOmeter | thanks |
| 22:36.53 | JeffM2501 | it just does a scan of the servers |
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| 22:38.56 | brlcad | ack |
| 22:39.11 | RatOmeter | bless you |
| 22:39.49 | RatOmeter | List server seems to have hiccupped |
| 22:40.27 | brlcad | worse than that |
| 22:40.36 | brad | segfault? ;) |
| 22:41.15 | RatOmeter | did I kill it by doing a player search ;) |
| 22:41.26 | brad | yeah, must have been that! |
| 22:41.29 | brad | ~lart RatOmeter |
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| 22:45.33 | RatOmeter | Hi, Constitution |
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| 22:46.03 | Constitution | hi |
| 22:46.54 | RatOmeter | Hey, etangent. Have you seen a player called "grassucker" at Missile War? |
| 22:47.05 | brad | brlcad: what happened? did the monkeys eat it *again* ? |
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| 22:52.02 | CBG | ~bzslist |
| 22:52.08 | CBG | ~bzlist |
| 22:52.09 | JeffM2501 | it's down |
| 22:52.12 | JeffM2501 | and we know |
| 22:52.20 | CBG | I can't even remember the command. |
| 22:52.27 | JeffM2501 | bzfslist |
| 22:52.38 | CBG | ah, figures. thanks |
| 22:53.10 | ts | Noodleman, it is ~bzflist |
| 22:53.11 | brad | bzflist |
| 22:53.25 | ts | gah, I hate auto-complete |
| 22:53.29 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:53.30 | ts | I meant no |
| 22:53.39 | JeffM2501 | well I knew there was a f in there |
| 22:53.41 | CBG | heh, :) |
| 22:53.52 | CBG | there's an f in a lotta stuFF |
| 22:54.04 | JeffM2501 | like forsooth(tm)! |
| 22:54.18 | RatOmeter | In this case, I think maybe the F got loose and F'd up some stuFF |
| 22:54.30 | CBG | Indeed. |
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| 22:57.18 | CBG | Parametric Differentiation by any chance? |
| 22:57.26 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 22:57.35 | JeffM2501 | it's kinda fractions and ratios :) |
| 22:57.42 | CBG | Good, 'cause that stuff's evil. |
| 22:58.05 | JeffM2501 | gotta fit an image with one aspect ratio, into a window with another aspect, and keep the aspect ratio of the image |
| 22:58.19 | Thumper_ | ~bzflist |
| 22:58.31 | CBG | JeffM2501: fun. |
| 22:58.50 | JeffM2501 | I think I'm overthinking it |
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| 23:04.21 | JeffM2501 | well got it 1/2 way there. |
| 23:04.33 | randomparticle | the list server? |
| 23:04.38 | JeffM2501 | is down |
| 23:04.40 | randomparticle | ok |
| 23:05.08 | JeffM2501 | I think I jsut need to comptue both scale solutions and see what one dosn't have any repeats |
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| 23:06.03 | *** join/#bzflag razeryan (i=4b05edfe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/zeebrothers.net/x-a5dc226ddae966ce) |
| 23:06.11 | razeryan | hey |
| 23:06.20 | razeryan | whats with the list server |
| 23:07.18 | JeffM2501 | is down |
| 23:07.23 | razeryan | why |
| 23:07.25 | razeryan | and |
| 23:07.31 | razeryan | why is there only 1? |
| 23:07.44 | razeryan | they need backup list servers...... |
| 23:08.10 | JeffM2501 | yes we do |
| 23:08.25 | razeryan | than can u do somethin about it? |
| 23:08.51 | brad | they cost a lot of money to run |
| 23:08.54 | razeryan | ... |
| 23:08.58 | brad | be grateful you have one :) |
| 23:09.11 | razeryan | but the backups dont need to run unless the main goes down |
| 23:09.14 | razeryan | see |
| 23:09.21 | razeryan | is a good idea |
| 23:09.30 | brad | still need to pay for them, heh |
| 23:09.35 | razeryan | aw |
| 23:09.38 | razeryan | tat suxs |
| 23:09.51 | razeryan | is it rly alot per server? |
| 23:10.09 | razeryan | like how much about? do u kno? |
| 23:10.17 | brad | google it |
| 23:10.21 | razeryan | -.- |
| 23:10.41 | JeffM2501 | something is being done about it |
| 23:10.57 | JeffM2501 | and just having a "backup one" isn't enough |
| 23:10.57 | razeryan | btw talking with email string is SOOOOO annoying |
| 23:10.58 | razeryan | what do we need then |
| 23:10.59 | razeryan | i can helpl |
| 23:11.04 | razeryan | maybe |
| 23:11.05 | CBG | it costs $50 per sever per week |
| 23:11.05 | JeffM2501 | the servers would not know to update them |
| 23:11.07 | CBG | there are around 200 servers, 52 weeks a year |
| 23:11.09 | CBG | it's very expensive. |
| 23:11.18 | razeryan | wow |
| 23:11.21 | JeffM2501 | IIRC you can hide the email string |
| 23:11.30 | razeryan | ? |
| 23:11.31 | CBG | Do you have $520,000, razeryan, huh, do ya?! |
| 23:11.51 | razeryan | i kno but in gu u cant talk without ls so we hav 2 talk with emails |
| 23:11.52 | randomparticle | he'll be asking for a backup god next, cbg ;) |
| 23:12.04 | JeffM2501 | stop messing with him |
| 23:12.15 | razeryan | maybe cbg how would u kno if i lied? |
| 23:12.20 | JeffM2501 | we have some plans and ideas for a distributed/fallback list system |
| 23:12.20 | CBG | Oh, backup Gods are so much cheaper, just $20 or so per month. |
| 23:12.27 | razeryan | haha |
| 23:12.29 | JeffM2501 | just noone has implemented it |
| 23:12.33 | CBG | razeryan: would I care? ;) |
| 23:12.35 | razeryan | ok |
| 23:12.42 | razeryan | cbg: would u? |
| 23:12.47 | CBG | care? no. |
| 23:12.53 | razeryan | then dont ask |
| 23:12.55 | JeffM2501 | it will require game client and server mods, as well as a re-write of the list system |
| 23:12.56 | razeryan | :) |
| 23:13.02 | razeryan | hmm |
| 23:13.05 | razeryan | well |
| 23:13.13 | brad | JeffM2501: what about having every server mirror the server list..... like tor :) |
| 23:13.20 | ts | it's up again |
| 23:13.26 | razeryan | do ya think i can help at all? |
| 23:13.27 | razeryan | thx ts |
| 23:13.31 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to cache the list and stuff |
| 23:13.33 | CBG | I asked if you had $520k, not whether or not you lied. |
| 23:13.40 | JeffM2501 | razeryan, what can you do? |
| 23:13.44 | randomparticle | according to strayer's bzstats there are 11,957 offline servers |
| 23:13.50 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:13.51 | CBG | heh |
| 23:14.03 | JeffM2501 | I'd not want to send login data to every server |
| 23:14.09 | brlcad | ~bzflist |
| 23:14.11 | JeffM2501 | a couple distributed lists would work |
| 23:14.44 | JeffM2501 | our traffic isn't that high, we just have a single point of failure, if we had 2 we'd probably be just fine for 99.999% of the stuff that happens |
| 23:14.51 | JeffM2501 | 3 would make us golden |
| 23:14.53 | randomparticle | is it true that 1,000,000 copies of bzflag have been downloaded? |
| 23:14.58 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 23:14.59 | razeryan | yeah |
| 23:15.04 | JeffM2501 | acording to SF |
| 23:15.09 | brad | 1.5 million |
| 23:15.13 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: set the correct threshold |
| 23:15.14 | randomparticle | is that good or bad? |
| 23:15.14 | JeffM2501 | that's not uniques tho IIRC |
| 23:15.20 | JeffM2501 | good LORD that was slow |
| 23:15.24 | JeffM2501 | how could that be bad? |
| 23:15.47 | randomparticle | i mean, it sounds great at first but then, only 104 players online according to strayer's |
| 23:16.15 | brad | they don't all play at the same time :) |
| 23:16.25 | razeryan | bye all |
| 23:16.29 | *** part/#bzflag razeryan (i=4b05edfe@gateway/web/cgi-irc/zeebrothers.net/x-a5dc226ddae966ce) |
| 23:16.53 | randomparticle | so doesn't that mean a lot of people downloaded it (ok, not 1m), and most of them thought it was rubbish? :) |
| 23:16.53 | JeffM2501 | brad, more then that, over the course of a month I think its' more like 5-6k |
| 23:17.05 | JeffM2501 | randomparticle, or they downloaded it more then once, |
| 23:17.09 | uso | even anan cvs was faster than CIA |
| 23:17.15 | uso | *anon |
| 23:17.19 | JeffM2501 | that also dosnt' seperate out upgrades |
| 23:17.26 | randomparticle | that's why i said, ok, not 1m. let's say each person downloads it 10 times |
| 23:17.28 | JeffM2501 | it's just the number of files downloaded |
| 23:17.28 | *** join/#bzflag RC_cola (i=88a0fafd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/zeebrothers.net/x-6af814a263fe1b3b) |
| 23:17.33 | TimRiker | and that's just SF. many more come from other sites. |
| 23:17.38 | Tupone | hei RC_cola |
| 23:17.39 | Tupone | ciao |
| 23:17.41 | CBG | I probably account for 5-10 of that million. |
| 23:17.54 | RC_cola | ciao Tupo =) |
| 23:17.57 | JeffM2501 | do we get stats from the package systems? |
| 23:17.57 | randomparticle | that's still only 1 in every 1 thousand downloaders that is still active |
| 23:18.07 | CBG | And I actually compile most of the time now. |
| 23:18.11 | TimRiker | that's a lot of people thinking it's rubbish then. |
| 23:18.19 | randomparticle | :) |
| 23:18.43 | TimRiker | now if just 1% of them would work on it and send in useful patches... :) |
| 23:19.01 | CBG | If only 1% _could_... |
| 23:19.41 | randomparticle | well, quality over quantity, and we're all quality people |
| 23:20.01 | CBG | heh. speak for yourself ;) |
| 23:20.11 | CBG | I got called a sleaze today, took it as a compliment. |
| 23:21.03 | uso | only small ones, and only server side ... who needs more servers, brad ;) |
| 23:21.30 | randomparticle | i heard someone say the word sleaze did not exist until the nineties. hard to believe. maybe it's true |
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| 23:28.17 | Constitution | I have a 2.1 test server up and running with 2x -d with the output redirected to a symlink pointed to a text file |
| 23:28.17 | RC_cola | yay global login's working |
| 23:28.34 | RC_cola | ty bz peeps |
| 23:28.38 | RC_cola | =) |
| 23:28.38 | Constitution | I'm trying to change where the log goes by changing where the link points, but it doesn't work |
| 23:28.48 | Constitution | any ideas if this is possible? |
| 23:29.06 | *** part/#bzflag RC_cola (i=88a0fafd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/zeebrothers.net/x-8b9569d68ccbdcc4) |
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| 23:31.12 | uso | no it isn't, the symlink points to a file and will only be read once when the logfile is opened |
| 23:31.48 | Constitution | hmmm, okay thanks |
| 23:37.38 | a_meteorite | m.b.o. keeps going down :( |
| 23:37.42 | a_meteorite | The connection was refused when attempting to contact my.bzflag.org. |
| 23:40.11 | brlcad | a_meteorite: I'm working on it |
| 23:40.15 | CBG | was down before, works ok for me now |
| 23:40.34 | a_meteorite | brlcad: it's been going off and on like that for a week ;) |
| 23:40.43 | brlcad | no it hasn't |
| 23:40.43 | a_meteorite | but it happened in the middle of browsing the wiki just now |
| 23:40.47 | a_meteorite | um yes it has |
| 23:41.01 | a_meteorite | I kept getting that error, plus one other about nothing in the document |
| 23:41.09 | brlcad | it was down about a week ago while it was being worked on, down today |
| 23:41.12 | CBG | it goes off for an average of a few minues a day |
| 23:41.30 | a_meteorite | CBG: as you know, I notice everything :P |
| 23:41.45 | CBG | uh, sure... |
| 23:41.53 | a_meteorite | uh, yes... |
| 23:42.05 | TimRiker | brlcad: ls -l /usr/local/sbin/httpd /usr/local/lib/libapr-1.so.2 |
| 23:42.05 | TimRiker | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 1027401 Feb 23 13:20 /usr/local/lib/libapr-1.so.2 |
| 23:42.05 | TimRiker | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 464421 Jan 15 16:11 /usr/local/sbin/httpd |
| 23:42.13 | inchworm | a_meteorite: did you notice where I put my socks? |
| 23:42.18 | TimRiker | apache and libapr are out of sync again. |
| 23:42.27 | a_meteorite | inchworm: under your bed, of course! |
| 23:42.34 | inchworm | ! |
| 23:44.25 | a_meteorite | man, this cold has got me bad :( |
| 23:44.58 | a_meteorite | over a week now, sneezing and the sniffles |
| 23:45.47 | CBG | wow. |
| 23:45.49 | CBG | a WEEK!? |
| 23:46.04 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 23:46.12 | a_meteorite | it's definitely not allergies |
| 23:46.20 | CBG | sneezing AND sniffles!?! |
| 23:46.29 | ruskie | lol Tomm! (Valued Customer@acer-3b6299156d) <-- what en email... |
| 23:46.29 | a_meteorite | wait... hold up... I'm confusing dates |
| 23:46.42 | a_meteorite | sorry, since saturday. not last saturday. >_< |
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| 23:48.33 | a_meteorite | Theme97: ! |
| 23:48.50 | Theme97 | A_Heart_Attack: ! |
| 23:48.55 | Theme97 | Ahh, oops. |
| 23:48.57 | Theme97 | a_meteorite: ! |
| 23:48.59 | a_meteorite | lol |
| 23:49.13 | Theme97 | brad: Any news on the plugin yet? |
| 23:49.14 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (DisplayMenu.cxx MainWindow.cxx MainWindow.h bzflag.cxx): Fixing segfault accessing to gamma functions |
| 23:49.42 | a_meteorite | CBG: rofl... http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=103281#103281 |
| 23:50.08 | CBG | hmm. |
| 23:50.52 | brad | Theme97: ahh yes, I forgot to tell you |
| 23:50.57 | brad | finished it, sorta :) |
| 23:51.00 | Theme97 | Yay! |
| 23:51.10 | Theme97 | ... Sorta! |
| 23:51.11 | brad | still crashes when you /unjail though.... you can take a look at it |
| 23:51.18 | brad | 2 secs |
| 23:53.37 | brad | pm? |
| 23:53.40 | Theme97 | ok |
| 23:53.44 | brad | k |
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