irclog2html for #bzflag on 20070301

`00:02.36`	`ruskie`	`an overwhelming psitive response to the fairctf plugin by players...`
`00:02.43`	`ruskie`	`erm positive`
`00:19.20`	`brlcad`	`more list server maintenance on-going`
`00:29.40`	`*** join/#bzflag bz80 (n=536926f0@bz.bzflag.bz)`
`01:01.15`	`brlcad`	`hmm.. "someone" must have inadvertently updated libapr a few days ago`
`01:01.31`	`*** join/#bzflag bz98 (n=47e55687@bz.bzflag.bz)`
`01:01.32`	`brlcad`	`fortunately, the problem seems limited to only two modules`
`01:02.17`	`*** join/#bzflag donny_baker (n=donny_ba@about/essy/vvvvv/donnybaker)`
`01:07.32`	`*** join/#bzflag bz57 (n=18b9832f@bz.bzflag.bz)`
`01:11.45`	`*** part/#bzflag randomparticle (n=randompa@about/essy/snick/randomparticle)`
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`01:46.05`	`Patlabor221`	`anyone know a user called "river rat!"? says he was caught in a CRW masterban`
`01:46.15`	`*** join/#bzflag Gnurdux (n=gnurdux@69.251.252.148)`
`01:46.33`	`Patlabor221`	`says he loged in as his name to try and "get back"`
`01:48.18`	`JeffM2501`	`the IP is very much out of the normal CRW range`
`01:48.55`	`JeffM2501`	`I"m inclined to remove the ban and see what happens`
`01:49.03`	`DTRemenak`	`hm, been a while since I've seen that nick`
`01:49.56`	`CIA-1`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10admin/master-bans.txt: remove 76.210.66.59 as the user says they are not CRW, but somone who atempted to use the name to deteer him. The IP should be watched very closely.`
`01:52.45`	`*** join/#bzflag shorty114 (n=shorty11@unaffiliated/shorty114)`
`01:59.14`	`*** join/#bzflag view (n=view@c-69-249-178-98.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)`
`02:00.38`	`*** join/#bzflag Tropican8 (i=user@c-69-137-19-228.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)`
`02:12.12`	`*** join/#bzflag Quol (n=Quol@modemcable177.75-202-24.mc.videotron.ca)`
`02:18.27`	`*** join/#bzflag Wimpy_Pilot (n=45721a97@bz.bzflag.bz)`
`02:18.51`	`Wimpy_Pilot`	`Hey, is BZFlag down? I can't seem to get a server list.`
`02:19.39`	`brlcad`	`Wimpy_Pilot: the web server is being upgraded`
`02:20.01`	`brlcad`	`~bzflist`
`02:20.48`	`*** join/#bzflag Rune-boy8620 (n=root@70.134.68.130)`
`02:21.17`	`Tanksnipe`	`List server offline?`
`02:21.45`	`view`	`it's being upgraded`
`02:21.50`	`Tanksnipe`	`ok ty`
`02:22.01`	`inchworm`	`thus spake brlcad about 2 minutes ago`
`02:22.12`	`Tanksnipe`	`huh?`
`02:22.31`	`Tanksnipe`	`wats that`
`02:22.32`	`view`	`tanksnipe joined after he said that.`
`02:23.10`	`Tanksnipe`	`j/k`
`02:23.17`	`inchworm`	`:E`
`02:23.38`	`inchworm`	`anywho, spake is ole english past time for spoke`
`02:23.52`	`inchworm`	`s/time/tense/`
`02:24.05`	`menotume`	`inchworm spikes the truth`
`02:24.10`	`Tanksnipe`	`nwats brlcad`
`02:24.35`	`menotume`	`brlcad is a bot`
`02:24.45`	`inchworm`	`yah... that, exactly`
`02:25.28`	`Tanksnipe`	`ty`
`02:25.38`	`inchworm`	`Tanksnipe: in reality brlcad is either a bzflag dev or a senior admin of some sort`
`02:25.39`	`Tanksnipe`	`need a server to play on`
`02:26.03`	`Wimpy_Pilot`	`Anyone know any good servers off the top of their heads?`
`02:26.24`	`Tanksnipe`	`i was tring to guess tadds`
`02:26.30`	`Tanksnipe`	`nbut coudltn get the naem or port rite`
`02:26.41`	`brlcad`	`beep`
`02:26.42`	`view`	`mofo.kicks-ass.net:4200`
`02:26.44`	`view`	`:p`
`02:26.46`	`Wimpy_Pilot`	`hehe, I know the feeling. It's not easy to remember that stuff.`
`02:27.03`	`brlcad`	`menotume: okay`
`02:27.03`	`menotume`	`man, they should have a cache in the client :P`
`02:27.06`	`Tanksnipe`	`boop`
`02:27.15`	`Tropican8`	`all of the mofo servers use the same domain, so you could surf through all of them by port`
`02:27.16`	`Wimpy_Pilot`	`Agreed, a cache would be nice.`
`02:27.18`	`Tropican8`	`there's quite a few`
`02:27.48`	`brlcad`	`there is a cache, in the client even`
`02:27.49`	`Tanksnipe`	`how long is the upgrade epected to take`
`02:27.52`	`brlcad`	`just have to turn it on`
`02:27.55`	`menotume`	`brlcad: yes :)`
`02:27.56`	`Tropican8`	`Wimpy_Pilot: menotume was joking`
`02:28.09`	`Tropican8`	`there is indeed a cache in the client`
`02:28.10`	`brlcad`	`he was?`
`02:28.16`	`menotume`	`lol`
`02:28.40`	`Tropican8`	`[21:26] menotume: man, they should have a cache in the client :P`
`02:28.54`	`Wimpy_Pilot`	`There is a cache in the client? Then why does the list show empty?`
`02:29.01`	`menotume`	`actually, would be nice if it always cached, as a backup, even if turned off. then, use the cache in desperate times like these :)`
`02:29.09`	`Tropican8`	`Wimpy_Pilot: like we said, you need to turn it on`
`02:29.16`	`Wimpy_Pilot`	`Ah`
`02:29.22`	`brlcad`	`menotume: indeed.. who wrote that?!`
`02:29.25`	`brlcad`	`~pw`
`02:29.34`	`ibot`	`somebody said patches welcome was a common response by maintainers of Open Source products. It's roughly means "We don't have much time on our hands, so if you write that feature and send it to us we will likely roll it in. If you don't have the time to write it, we don't either. Stop asking for it."`
`02:29.34`	`menotume`	`dunno`
`02:29.34`	`menotume`	`hehe`
`02:29.47`	`brlcad`	`i think you just volunteered of course`
`02:29.52`	`menotume`	`yay`
`02:29.53`	`brlcad`	`(to fix it)`
`02:30.00`	`menotume`	`and, i almost have my nix box up too :)`
`02:30.07`	`brlcad`	`but then I think a lot of things :)`
`02:30.40`	`menotume`	`what's being upgraaded? apache ?`
`02:30.57`	`brlcad`	`since folks seem to be desparate.. the reason it's down at the moment is because php is in the process of upgrading .. the web server is actually up and running but php services are down`
`02:31.06`	`brlcad`	`and the list server happens to be a php beast`
`02:31.10`	`menotume`	`ahhh`
`02:31.16`	`brlcad`	`everything is being upgraded`
`02:31.19`	`brlcad`	`but it's currently on php`
`02:31.22`	`Tanksnipe`	`so how long is it gonna take`
`02:31.25`	`menotume`	`okies`
`02:31.26`	`JeffM2501`	`this is a good time for "outside" time`
`02:31.37`	`menotume`	`anything i can do to help break it ?`
`02:32.02`	`brlcad`	`menotume: maybe randomly delete some files`
`02:32.03`	`Tropican8`	`Tanksnipe: a really long time, you better go into a bomb shelter and wait for it to finish for the next 50 years.`
`02:32.13`	`Tanksnipe`	`yippy`
`02:32.30`	`menotume`	`it will be done at bedtime`
`02:33.02`	`Tanksnipe`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:33.06`	`Tanksnipe`	`ni get error -.-`
`02:33.12`	`Tanksnipe`	`i*`
`02:33.26`	`Tanksnipe`	`meant 4200`
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`02:34.41`	`Tanksnipe`	`I guess ill just put up a server and play with bots`
`02:34.41`	`brlcad`	`aw, no kierra`
`02:35.08`	`Tanksnipe`	`is there always this many people on here?`
`02:35.08`	`brlcad`	`it'll hopefully only be another half hour or so for php to finish, but then apache could be next for all i know`
`02:35.14`	`brlcad`	`Tanksnipe: pretty much`
`02:35.28`	`brlcad`	`not always as chatty, that depends on a lot of things`
`02:35.35`	`Tanksnipe`	`yea like this`
`02:35.38`	`*** join/#bzflag kierra (n=Milly@ool-44c04d6a.dyn.optonline.net)`
`02:35.46`	`kierra`	`hello brlcad`
`02:35.49`	`brlcad`	`sometimes even more chatty`
`02:35.53`	`brlcad`	`hehe, hola kierra :)`
`02:35.58`	`brlcad`	`que tal?`
`02:35.58`	`Tanksnipe`	`nnvm`
`02:36.05`	`brlcad`	`nnok`
`02:36.17`	`Tanksnipe`	`my n key is sticky`
`02:36.31`	`kierra`	`estoy bien, gracias.....pero en este canal yo no hablo`
`02:36.43`	`Tanksnipe`	`pro que`
`02:36.47`	`Tanksnipe`	`npor que`
`02:36.56`	`Tanksnipe`	`stupid "n" key`
`02:37.02`	`JeffM2501`	`can't you just manualy go check your server cache .bzs file, and type in the server name?`
`02:37.04`	`SportChick`	`~n`
`02:37.14`	`ibot`	`it has been said that n is the disease bzflag players get when they play too much. There is no cure.`
`02:37.14`	`JeffM2501`	`if it dosn't need auth, it'll go`
`02:37.14`	`Tanksnipe`	`yea i guess`
`02:37.17`	`menotume`	`server to play at: borrego.hepcat.org:5154`
`02:37.22`	`*** part/#bzflag Tropican8 (i=user@c-69-137-19-228.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)`
`02:37.27`	`Tanksnipe`	`yea`
`02:37.47`	`Quol`	`nwhat ibot says is true`
`02:37.56`	`menolistserver`	`borrego.hepcat.org:5154`
`02:38.00`	`Tanksnipe`	`but i dont play to much`
`02:38.06`	`menolistserver`	`quol.bzflag.bz:5998`
`02:38.10`	`Tanksnipe`	`i hate pillbox`
`02:38.28`	`*** join/#bzflag bz90 (n=48be48c6@bz.bzflag.bz)`
`02:38.31`	`Quol`	`hey there menolist server....you forgot a 9`
`02:38.39`	`*** join/#bzflag bryjen (n=bryjen@2002:4cb1:b973:0:0:0:0:1)`
`02:38.39`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+v bryjen] by ChanServ`
`02:38.50`	`SportChick`	`~lart menolistserver`
`02:39.17`	`Tanksnipe`	`yay hes dead`
`02:39.19`	`menolistserver`	`oopsa`
`02:39.22`	`*** join/#bzflag bz90 (n=48be48c6@bz.bzflag.bz)`
`02:39.54`	`Tanksnipe`	`tanksnipe.no-ip.org`
`02:40.00`	`Tanksnipe`	`default port`
`02:41.29`	`brlcad`	`kierra: y .. pero .. por que no?`
`02:41.50`	`Tanksnipe`	`de que estan ablando`
`02:41.56`	`brlcad`	`de ti`
`02:41.59`	`Tanksnipe`	`praticing my spanish`
`02:42.12`	`Tanksnipe`	`not to good wiht it`
`02:42.20`	`Tanksnipe`	`ni can read it and speak it not write it`
`02:42.41`	`Tanksnipe`	`i got "n" diease =[`
`02:45.10`	`Tanksnipe`	`.......`
`02:45.33`	`kierra`	`siempre pense que aqui se habla de lo technical solo`
`02:45.58`	`Tanksnipe`	`okay`
`02:46.17`	`Tanksnipe`	`brlcad u know abotu map making/`
`02:46.32`	`Tanksnipe`	`i got this error when starting my server`
`02:46.35`	`Tanksnipe`	`/root/.bzf/worlds/snipercountry.bzw: warning (line 753): unknown object parameter "flag" - skipping`
`02:47.51`	`menolistserver`	`NOTICE: Last known list .... http://bzleague.com/list`
`02:47.57`	`brlcad`	`kierra: no, it's all on topic so long as it's bzflag-related .. solo usualmente no para chatear on other topics..`
`02:48.34`	`bryjen`	`spanglish`
`02:49.00`	`brlcad`	`yeah, I do that in person too`
`02:49.14`	`brlcad`	`some things are just easier to say in another lengua`
`02:49.15`	`Tanksnipe`	`ty meno`
`02:49.21`	`menolistserver`	`np :)`
`02:49.32`	`*** join/#bzflag TheRedBaron (i=4736ad0e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/zeebrothers.net/x-f687ba9c1599219b)`
`02:49.32`	`brlcad`	`menolistserver: bzflist`
`02:49.54`	`TheRedBaron`	`do i get to be redundant? the list server is down again`
`02:50.09`	`menolistserver`	`reduntantly reduntant`
`02:50.15`	`Tanksnipe`	`<menolistserver> NOTICE: Last known list .... http://bzleague.com/list`
`02:50.21`	`Tanksnipe`	`use that`
`02:50.37`	`bryjen`	`~bzflist`
`02:50.47`	`kierra`	`ty, learner`
`02:51.42`	`bryjen`	`now you're doubly redundant`
`02:51.43`	`Tanksnipe`	`..huh?`
`02:53.38`	`menolistserver`	`better send 2 copies`
`02:54.00`	`inchworm`	`~snoopy TheRedBaron`
`02:54.09`	`ibot`	`ACTION jumps on Snoopy's doghouse, revs the engine, and strafes TheRedBaron with a machine gun before deciding to take a root beer break at the local tavern`
`02:54.38`	`*** join/#bzflag entelechy (i=user@mail.beanproducts.com)`
`02:54.42`	`entelechy`	`hi`
`02:54.45`	`entelechy`	`quick question:`
`02:54.47`	`inchworm`	`hi entelechy`
`02:55.00`	`entelechy`	`are the global serverlist and forums currently offline?`
`02:55.01`	`TheRedBaron`	`entelechy: too long`
`02:55.08`	`menolistserver`	`quicker answer: they are offline`
`02:55.09`	`inchworm`	`entelechy: yep`
`02:55.11`	`entelechy`	`aha`
`02:55.15`	`TheRedBaron`	`TheRedBaron: too slow`
`02:55.38`	`entelechy`	`is there a public list of server addys somewhere?`
`02:55.39`	`TheRedBaron`	`brlcad: what did you do?`
`02:55.58`	`menolistserver`	`entelechy: http://www.bzleague.com/list/`
`02:56.05`	`inchworm`	`TheRedBaron: what was the event over in essy that they have a "~lart TheRedBaron" day?`
`02:56.31`	`TheRedBaron`	`inchworm: i was framed :(`
`02:56.37`	`entelechy`	`menolistserver: THANKS :-)`
`02:56.38`	`Tanksnipe`	`wats ~lart`
`02:56.38`	`TheRedBaron`	`it was a total set-up`
`02:56.49`	`blast007`	`TheRedBaron: you were <iframe>'ed`
`02:57.04`	`inchworm`	`TheRedBaron: yah, i'm sure it was. what did you do now?`
`02:57.06`	`inchworm`	`:P`
`02:57.17`	`donny_baker`	`hehe... and it has been ~lart TheRedBarron day for two consecutive days`
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`02:57.35`	`Bz_Win`	`Whats up with BZBB?`
`02:57.39`	`Tanksnipe`	`offline`
`02:57.47`	`Tanksnipe`	`upgrade`
`02:57.52`	`Bz_Win`	`Ah, ok`
`02:57.56`	`TheRedBaron`	`blast007: lmao!`
`02:58.08`	`TheRedBaron`	`~blast007++`
`02:58.26`	`Tanksnipe`	`am i the onyl one that doesnt know wat ~lart is?`
`02:58.36`	`inchworm`	`Tanksnipe: high probability`
`02:58.50`	`bryjen`	`~dict lart`
`02:59.21`	`TheRedBaron`	`inchworm: its too painful :(`
`02:59.30`	`inchworm`	`TheRedBaron: !'`
`03:01.03`	`TheRedBaron`	`~blame SportChick`
`03:01.07`	`ibot`	`ACTION blames SportChick (and Canada) for all the evil in the world`
`03:01.46`	`inchworm`	`TheRedBaron: dunno what to tell you then, best of luck`
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`03:02.45`	`entelechy`	`menolistserver: (or anyone) are there any other public serverlists? including the server names?`
`03:03.00`	`menolistserver`	`working on it :)`
`03:03.24`	`entelechy`	`thanks`
`03:03.35`	`entelechy`	`bzflag community rocks`
`03:04.50`	`entelechy`	`better than air violin`
`03:05.12`	`entelechy`	`anyone know the address of the two tanks?`
`03:05.42`	`entelechy`	`im like, stuck on mofo - which is a great place to be if i like continually getting my ass kicked`
`03:06.09`	`kierra`	`you should try ducati :)`
`03:06.19`	`TheRedBaron`	`entelechy: http://www.bzleague.com/list/`
`03:06.26`	`entelechy`	`trying to find two tanks, badgerking or any other server with people actually, like, in it :)`
`03:06.35`	`entelechy`	`kierra: addy/port ? :)`
`03:06.57`	`entelechy`	`RedBaron: thanks ive been looking at it trying to remember which servers have which names`
`03:07.26`	`entelechy`	`oh wait theres bking`
`03:07.55`	`brlcad`	`TheRedBaron: i just wanted to see if anyone was paying attention`
`03:09.02`	`*** part/#bzflag donny_baker (n=donny_ba@about/essy/vvvvv/donnybaker)`
`03:09.39`	`*** join/#bzflag Link_Fan790 (n=47237c18@bz.bzflag.bz)`
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`03:11.15`	`bz54`	`looking for help. bzf shows no servers.`
`03:11.44`	`brlcad`	`~bzflist`
`03:11.45`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, you should put it in the MOTD, as that is on another host`
`03:12.02`	`brlcad`	`it just finished compiling ;)`
`03:12.12`	`JeffM2501`	`cool`
`03:12.20`	`JeffM2501`	`tho we should remember the MOTD for next time`
`03:12.27`	`*** join/#bzflag Tropican8 (i=user@c-69-137-19-228.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)`
`03:12.29`	`brlcad`	`yeah`
`03:12.51`	`brlcad`	`should probably still update it to say something now even hmm`
`03:13.25`	`menolistserver`	`just as i got server titles done :)`
`03:13.35`	`menolistserver`	`http://www.bzleague.com/list/`
`03:14.01`	`entelechy`	`YOU ROCK :)`
`03:14.07`	`brlcad`	`menolistserver: i can take it down again if you like ;)`
`03:14.09`	`kierra`	`nice, meno`
`03:14.13`	`TheRedBaron`	`meno does indeed rock`
`03:14.19`	`TheRedBaron`	`~menotume++`
`03:14.37`	`brlcad`	`meno is indeed a rock`
`03:14.43`	`brlcad`	`wait, what?`
`03:16.21`	`menolistserver`	`lol`
`03:17.56`	`menolistserver`	`time to play ... yay`
`03:18.55`	`*** part/#bzflag Tropican8 (i=user@c-69-137-19-228.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)`
`03:32.36`	`brlcad`	`can someone check and make sure the motd looks right in the client? (can't check from here atm)`
`03:33.22`	`menotume`	`QUOL: ready ?`
`03:33.34`	`Quol`	`meno: match?`
`03:33.51`	`brad`	`looks fine brlcad`
`03:34.06`	`menotume`	`ya, looks good`
`03:34.18`	`Quol`	`menotume, ??`
`03:35.08`	`menotume`	`Quol: Quol:59998`
`03:35.17`	`menotume`	`redundancy :)`
`03:35.32`	`Quol`	`sure - against who? now?`
`03:35.41`	`TheRedBaron`	`me!`
`03:35.48`	`Quol`	`ohh oh....`
`03:35.50`	`brlcad`	`thanks brad/menotume`
`03:35.50`	`Quol`	`:)`
`03:36.18`	`Quol`	`ya - meet you there`
`03:36.25`	`Quol`	`oh - and hi brlcad :)`
`03:36.52`	`menotume`	`brlcad: now, if we could do something with that delay between "Gloabkl login approved" and being able to spawn`
`03:36.57`	`brlcad`	`howdy Quol :)`
`03:37.15`	`menotume`	`that second query taking along time maybe ?`
`03:37.24`	`brlcad`	`hmm.. i'd not heard of that`
`03:37.41`	`TheRedBaron`	`~bind brlcad`
`03:37.43`	`ibot`	`ACTION wraps brlcad up with 100 rolls of duct tape`
`03:37.51`	`menotume`	`happens to me quite frequently`
`03:37.58`	`brlcad`	`presumably, it's bzfs asking the server if you're valid?`
`03:38.00`	`menotume`	`"gloabl login approved" is quick`
`03:38.10`	`*** join/#bzflag Pimpinella (n=frank@gondolin.pimpi.org)`
`03:38.10`	`brlcad`	`global login approved is your notice`
`03:38.16`	`menotume`	`something to do with whitelist i think, i don't recall`
`03:38.31`	`brlcad`	`then the bzfs repeats the question with your token asking if you're full of crap or not`
`03:38.53`	`menotume`	`well, match time :)`
`03:38.59`	`brlcad`	`could be something else added that is slowing it down`
`03:39.16`	`brlcad`	`didn't used to take very long`
`03:39.22`	`menotume`	`right`
`03:39.28`	`menotume`	`it's not always slow`
`03:39.34`	`menotume`	`but, sometimes 30 seconds or more`
`03:39.36`	`brlcad`	`wow`
`03:39.40`	`menotume`	`ya`
`03:39.44`	`brlcad`	`that's a problem, but sounds like a timeout`
`03:40.13`	`menotume`	`anyone else experience this ?`
`03:40.22`	`brlcad`	`i could maybe see it if the list server was resetting, especially before the phpbb upgrade`
`03:40.25`	`brlcad`	`but not since`
`03:40.43`	`menotume`	`is happening to me now`
`03:41.05`	`menotume`	`i get "gloabl login approved", i am the only player showing on the scorebaord (without a +)`
`03:41.12`	`brlcad`	`hmm.. well then that shouldn't be the case, presuming it wasn't when myself or donny were setting up the wiki`
`03:41.14`	`menotume`	`is now 'hanging' 60 seconds`
`03:41.26`	`brlcad`	`what's your ip?`
`03:41.26`	`menotume`	`and, just now, i'm in`
`03:41.32`	`menotume`	`hmm`
`03:41.41`	`brlcad`	`gah, I was going to watch :)`
`03:41.51`	`menotume`	`71.225.151.82`
`03:41.58`	`menotume`	`lemme know when ready, i'll try again`
`03:43.01`	`menotume`	`seems it's just me, others there had no problem, hmm`
`03:43.05`	`brlcad`	`okay, ready`
`03:43.18`	`menotume`	`same thing, hanging`
`03:43.33`	`brlcad`	`hmm.. you're done on bzfls' perspective and fully detached`
`03:43.40`	`brlcad`	`what's the server's ip?`
`03:43.54`	`menotume`	`dunno, quol.bzflag.bz:59998`
`03:44.04`	`menotume`	`you're the dns, don't you know? :P`
`03:44.14`	`brlcad`	`heh`
`03:44.20`	`menotume`	`still waiting`
`03:44.28`	`menotume`	`just got it`
`03:44.34`	`brlcad`	`hmm.. the server's request was made and completed within a second of yours`
`03:44.39`	`menotume`	`hmm`
`03:44.41`	`menotume`	`okies`
`03:44.51`	`brlcad`	`sounds like a bzfs problem`
`03:44.58`	`menotume`	`ahhh`
`03:45.01`	`brlcad`	`try one more time`
`03:45.20`	`menotume`	`it's 2.0.9-20070203 bzfs`
`03:45.29`	`menotume`	`trying again`
`03:45.37`	`*** join/#bzflag TheRedBaron (n=TrB@fl-71-54-173-14.dhcp.embarqhsd.net)`
`03:45.39`	`menotume`	`other players are ok though`
`03:45.50`	`menotume`	`and sometimes it's fine for me`
`03:46.13`	`menotume`	`others are waiting on me, i better match this time :)`
`03:46.14`	`menotume`	`bbs`
`03:46.16`	`brlcad`	`odd, i don't see an outbound connection to you`
`03:46.30`	`brlcad`	`~nslookup quol.bzflag.bz`
`03:46.35`	`brlcad`	`ooh, right`
`03:47.32`	`brlcad`	`yeah, seems like a bzfs problem, at least the list server responded instantly both times within a second of your request (even to quol's server)`
`03:47.38`	`*** join/#bzflag LegendaryBlood (n=471d9022@bz.bzflag.bz)`
`03:47.48`	`LegendaryBlood`	`ey pplz`
`03:48.38`	`brlcad`	`okay, apologies in advance... hopefully the last item to be upgraded`
`03:49.02`	`eTangenT`	`me1 informs me that he thinks bzbb was hacked. Anyone care to confirm or deny this rumor?`
`03:49.08`	`LegendaryBlood`	`ah finaly im at the home page`
`03:49.16`	`brlcad`	`eTangenT: utter bullcrap`
`03:49.20`	`LegendaryBlood`	`ahh i hate hackers`
`03:49.32`	`brlcad`	`eTangenT: we're working on the server, upgrades of software`
`03:49.34`	`LegendaryBlood`	`they screw up maplestory and robot rage`
`03:49.39`	`eTangenT`	`brlcad: That's what I was thinking, of couirse.`
`03:49.45`	`eTangenT`	`I can never trust DJ or Me1`
`03:49.47`	`brlcad`	`php in particular was upgraded so bzbb showed up as an empty page for a while`
`03:50.37`	`LegendaryBlood`	`wats the latest update version on the downloads for this game?`
`03:50.54`	`brlcad`	`now you can wander off and tell them in full confidence that they can shove that guess down their perverbial tank barrels`
`03:50.55`	`menotume`	`brlcad: i reconnected to start match, and was quick`
`03:51.09`	`LegendaryBlood`	`lol`
`03:51.26`	`brlcad`	`menotume: i disabled the if (callsign == "menotume") performance hack`
`03:51.56`	`brlcad`	`LegendaryBlood: latest stable release of the client is unchanged -- 2.0.8`
`03:52.04`	`brlcad`	`2.2.0 won't be out for some time still`
`03:52.18`	`*** join/#bzflag zee575 (i=4753a090@gateway/web/cgi-irc/zeebrothers.net/x-9b207d47d3a40505)`
`03:52.36`	`LegendaryBlood`	`wow this game will load alot faster then the other 1ns iv played`
`03:52.46`	`brlcad`	`the list server will be going down again in a few seconds for what it's worth as the last bit of software is upgraded`
`03:53.04`	`LegendaryBlood`	`o so another version is commin in a couple hours?`
`03:53.09`	`brlcad`	`no no`
`03:53.13`	`LegendaryBlood`	`o`
`03:53.19`	`brlcad`	`the list server handles global authentication requests`
`03:53.22`	`*** join/#bzflag Kalen (n=Kalen@fl-71-54-173-14.dhcp.embarqhsd.net)`
`03:53.29`	`brlcad`	`and is part of the web server that runs bzbb`
`03:53.29`	`LegendaryBlood`	`oo ok`
`03:53.40`	`*** join/#bzflag Kalen (n=Kalen@fl-71-54-173-14.dhcp.embarqhsd.net)`
`03:53.43`	`brlcad`	`the web server components are being upgraded this evening`
`03:53.45`	`LegendaryBlood`	`ok so i can continue downloading them`
`03:53.49`	`LegendaryBlood`	`then*`
`03:53.49`	`brlcad`	`that's why things have been flaky`
`03:53.59`	`brlcad`	`the MOTD message in the game that displays when you start mentions this now`
`03:54.00`	`*** join/#bzflag JeffM2501 (n=jeffm@pool-71-109-230-219.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net)`
`03:54.00`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ`
`03:54.26`	`LegendaryBlood`	`is version 2.0.8 the latest version?`
`03:54.30`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`03:54.34`	`LegendaryBlood`	`ok`
`03:54.44`	`LegendaryBlood`	`thats wat im downloading now`
`03:55.20`	`LegendaryBlood`	`this game is alot faster downloadin then my other games`
`03:55.33`	`LegendaryBlood`	`this 1 takes 20 min`
`03:55.37`	`JeffM2501`	`it's small compared to most`
`03:55.39`	`LegendaryBlood`	`the others took 7-9 hours`
`03:55.41`	`*** join/#bzflag _Matt123 (n=Matt123@stjch2-12-46-85-160.stjohncable.com)`
`03:55.50`	`JeffM2501`	`they are probalby made for more then one CS`
`03:55.51`	`JeffM2501`	`CD`
`03:56.11`	`LegendaryBlood`	`idk the biggest one was only a little more then 1 gig`
`03:56.19`	`JeffM2501`	`bzflag is like 20 megs`
`03:56.36`	`JeffM2501`	`or less`
`03:56.39`	`JeffM2501`	`depends on your OS`
`03:56.56`	`*** join/#bzflag view (n=view@c-69-249-178-98.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)`
`03:57.02`	`brlcad`	`woot, apache upgraded better than php did`
`03:57.33`	`*** join/#bzflag LegendaryBlood (n=471d9022@bz.bzflag.bz)`
`03:57.42`	`LegendaryBlood`	`ahh im disconected`
`03:57.47`	`LegendaryBlood`	`o wait nvm`
`03:57.50`	`JeffM2501`	`web IRC can suck like that`
`04:00.56`	`TheRedBaron`	`JeffM2501: what was that line for the config again? for multiple monitors?`
`04:01.11`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not for multiple monitors`
`04:01.16`	`JeffM2501`	`it's to prevent minimise`
`04:01.21`	`JeffM2501`	`set Win32NoMin 1`
`04:02.25`	`TheRedBaron`	`hrm, doesn't work :)`
`04:02.35`	`JeffM2501`	`need the last 2.0.9`
`04:02.44`	`*** join/#bzflag supertanker (n=ST@66-81-170-248.nocal.dialup.o1.com)`
`04:02.45`	`TheRedBaron`	`2.0.9s8?`
`04:02.55`	`JeffM2501`	`was that the lastest one?`
`04:03.04`	`TheRedBaron`	`yes IIRC`
`04:03.10`	`JeffM2501`	`dunno`
`04:09.16`	`blast007`	`or you need that one, and the .zip file containing a new bzflag.exe`
`04:09.31`	`blast007`	`the zip is evern newer than the 2.0.9s8`
`04:09.33`	`blast007`	`even*`
`04:10.52`	`supertanker`	`Could someone please tell me how to fix this texture problem? http://levelzone.net/texprob1.jpg This is right after exporting and puting in a material by hand, no frils`
`04:11.25`	`supertanker`	`It's just a stupid block`
`04:12.30`	`JeffM2501`	`it a mesh? or a meshbox?`
`04:13.03`	`supertanker`	`Should be a mesh`
`04:13.08`	`supertanker`	`It's a simple block in Wings3d`
`04:13.17`	`supertanker`	`Or cube, or whatever you want to call it`
`04:13.22`	`JeffM2501`	`then the texcords of one side don't align with the ones on the other`
`04:13.28`	`JeffM2501`	`you fix that in wings`
`04:13.49`	`*** join/#bzflag Theme97_ (n=Theme97@about/essy/phpwriter/Theme97)`
`04:14.03`	`supertanker`	`Great. Now I have to figure out how to do THAT`
`04:14.12`	`blast007`	`:)`
`04:14.27`	`JeffM2501`	`that's just learning how to do UV maping in wings`
`04:15.21`	`supertanker`	`Do I have to produce a new texture for each block or can I simply tell it how to fit the bzflag ones on?`
`04:15.42`	`JeffM2501`	`we use the UV texcords in the ojbject to fit ourtextures`
`04:15.59`	`JeffM2501`	`you really should go read up on WHAT uv cords are`
`04:16.00`	`supertanker`	`Pretend I don't know what that means.`
`04:16.23`	`JeffM2501`	`no, this isn't a place to teach you basic modeling and how to use your app`
`04:16.25`	`JeffM2501`	`go read`
`04:17.14`	`supertanker`	`Numbers that change how a texture is projected onto a model`
`04:17.18`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not bzflag specific it's basic modeling`
`04:17.21`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`04:17.25`	`JeffM2501`	`on a per face basis`
`04:17.30`	`supertanker`	`This is where the google/god comes in handy`
`04:17.32`	`JeffM2501`	`your numbers are wrong`
`04:18.28`	`supertanker`	`When I tried a UV map it streatched them out so it covered the entire building`
`04:18.41`	`JeffM2501`	`that is on valid set of UV maps`
`04:18.42`	`supertanker`	`Looked good from far, faaar away`
`04:18.49`	`JeffM2501`	`there are many things you can do with UV maps`
`04:18.58`	`JeffM2501`	`you have to decide how you want to do it`
`04:21.35`	`supertanker`	`Wings seems to have a much simpler UV editor than Blender. Although I really miss some of the hotkeys`
`04:21.48`	`supertanker`	`Not to mention a, uh, simpler interface.`
`04:24.05`	`JeffM2501`	`whatever floats your boat`
`04:30.00`	`supertanker`	`If I want every wall to match, I would drag every part of the UV map so they are equal over the image, correct?`
`04:30.07`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`04:30.33`	`supertanker`	`and I have to do this for every building?`
`04:30.42`	`supertanker`	`Ah well`
`04:31.46`	`JeffM2501`	`if your editor can't make an even box, I guess so`
`04:33.41`	`supertanker`	`And so after I do this, I put the textures themselves in the BZW and assign them to each face I want them to go to? (Like having a certain texture on a roof, and then the rest on a wall, etc)`
`04:34.14`	`JeffM2501`	`or use materials, so you only do it for each material, not face`
`04:35.08`	`supertanker`	`matrefs`
`04:35.18`	`JeffM2501`	`matrefs are one way to use materials`
`04:40.09`	`*** join/#bzflag _Matt123 (n=Matt123@stjch2-12-46-85-160.stjohncable.com)`
`04:40.52`	`supertanker`	`Maybe I'll try Blender again`
`04:42.24`	`JeffM2501`	`probably depends on what it is :)`
`04:42.37`	`brlcad`	`his domain name :)`
`04:42.44`	`JeffM2501`	`what did he get?`
`04:42.49`	`brlcad`	`bzflag.de`
`04:42.56`	`JeffM2501`	`you get a german host?`
`04:43.05`	`brlcad`	`processing`
`04:43.09`	`JeffM2501`	`coo`
`04:44.24`	`brlcad`	`tis cheap too`
`04:44.53`	`JeffM2501`	`how much?`
`04:45.17`	`*** join/#bzflag LegendaryBlood (n=471d9022@bz.bzflag.bz)`
`04:45.28`	`LegendaryBlood`	`err i got a problom with the downloaded file`
`04:45.43`	`LegendaryBlood`	`its a dmg file and the computer dosnt recognize it`
`04:45.51`	`brlcad`	`46 euros + some additional fees`
`04:45.54`	`JeffM2501`	`what OS are you on?`
`04:46.12`	`LegendaryBlood`	`idk wat os is`
`04:46.20`	`JeffM2501`	`is it a mac or a PC?`
`04:46.24`	`JeffM2501`	`operating system`
`04:46.28`	`LegendaryBlood`	`o`
`04:46.34`	`LegendaryBlood`	`windows xp`
`04:46.36`	`brlcad`	`hehe`
`04:46.39`	`JeffM2501`	`then you got the mac version`
`04:46.42`	`JeffM2501`	`get the .exe file`
`04:46.42`	`brlcad`	`that's great`
`04:46.44`	`JeffM2501`	`not the dmg`
`04:46.53`	`LegendaryBlood`	`how do i get the exe file?`
`04:47.05`	`supertanker`	`LegendaryBlood, go to the download page and download whatever the latest .exe is`
`04:47.06`	`brlcad`	`might be easier for you to just buy a mac`
`04:47.08`	`JeffM2501`	`download it`
`04:47.10`	`JeffM2501`	`from the same place`
`04:47.13`	`JeffM2501`	`just read before you download`
`04:47.19`	`supertanker`	`Or, as brlcad says, go buy a mac`
`04:47.43`	`JeffM2501`	`one of the downloads says "WINDOWS VERSION"`
`04:47.49`	`brlcad`	`not quite what i said, but tis funny`
`04:47.52`	`LegendaryBlood`	`k found it`
`04:48.21`	`LegendaryBlood`	`im downloaded exe file`
`04:48.28`	`JeffM2501`	`that is the installer`
`04:48.44`	`LegendaryBlood`	`ok good`
`04:49.33`	`LegendaryBlood`	`im confused with myself`
`04:50.10`	`LegendaryBlood`	`i can build scilent machein guns and flanthrowers that shoot 40ft but i cant download the right file -_-"`
`04:50.12`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not rocket science, just some simple reading`
`04:50.29`	`LegendaryBlood`	`lol im slow at some things`
`04:51.04`	`LegendaryBlood`	`last time it took me 5 min to solv an arubix cube`
`04:51.19`	`LegendaryBlood`	`and still i cant spell worth a hilla beans`
`04:51.38`	`LegendaryBlood`	`ah well thats life 4 ya`
`04:52.20`	`LegendaryBlood`	`im working on a new weapon now`
`04:52.29`	`LegendaryBlood`	`a scilents sniper rifle`
`04:52.45`	`supertanker`	`Port it into BZFlag and let us play the game with a sniper rifle flag.`
`04:53.00`	`LegendaryBlood`	`huh?`
`04:53.00`	`JeffM2501`	`supertanker that's called laser`
`04:53.03`	`LegendaryBlood`	`o`
`04:53.17`	`LegendaryBlood`	`haha`
`04:53.41`	`LegendaryBlood`	`yaay its done`
`04:54.13`	`LegendaryBlood`	`heck mine go through anything they would ricochet off of`
`04:54.33`	`LegendaryBlood`	`any1 here watch future weapons?`
`04:55.27`	`supertanker`	`What exactly is the command to save maps agian? And does it work with v. 2.0.6?`
`04:56.44`	`TheRedBaron`	`supertanker: its under options`
`04:56.49`	`TheRedBaron`	`the ingame options`
`04:58.16`	`supertanker`	`TheRedBaron, no, the command to save to an .obj`
`04:58.31`	`supertanker`	`It was something like /savemap -o objname but it will not work under 2.0.6`
`04:58.34`	`JeffM2501`	`it's part of the help`
`04:58.37`	`JeffM2501`	`just do a /`
`04:59.01`	`supertanker`	`A what?`
`04:59.08`	`JeffM2501`	`type /`
`04:59.12`	`JeffM2501`	`it'll list all the commands`
`04:59.40`	`supertanker`	`in the chat?`
`04:59.45`	`supertanker`	`(bzflag chat in game?)`
`04:59.46`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`05:00.13`	`supertanker`	`It just prints /`
`05:00.15`	`JeffM2501`	`YES`
`05:00.30`	`JeffM2501`	`there is a way to list all the commands`
`05:01.01`	`JeffM2501`	`or check the manpage`
`05:01.42`	`LegendaryBlood`	`oo this game is fun XD XD XD`
`05:01.50`	`LegendaryBlood`	`but i cant figure out how 2 get in a server`
`05:02.06`	`JeffM2501`	`then how do you know it is fun`
`05:02.12`	`LegendaryBlood`	`i made a server`
`05:02.17`	`JeffM2501`	`here is an item in the join to list the servers`
`05:02.19`	`supertanker`	`Which one? BZFS, bzw, and bzflag do not show any map save command`
`05:02.24`	`LegendaryBlood`	`i wana b in the lasers`
`05:02.32`	`brlcad`	`wow.. 5TB/month for just $170 ..`
`05:02.33`	`JeffM2501`	`driving around by yourself is fun?`
`05:02.37`	`LegendaryBlood`	`how do u get in mapw with lasers everywere`
`05:02.43`	`brlcad`	`thats like 15MBit sustained!`
`05:02.54`	`LegendaryBlood`	`ah nvm ima try figurin it out again`
`05:03.08`	`supertanker`	`LegendaryBlood, take your experimental weapon, shove it in your computer, and start a map. Then fire the weapon.`
`05:03.19`	`supertanker`	`It won't last long though...`
`05:04.16`	`supertanker`	`neither / or the man pages are any help....`
`05:04.52`	`brlcad`	`supertanker: so rewrite them so they are more helpful?`
`05:04.56`	`LegendaryBlood`	`aahh i cant get in a battle`
`05:04.57`	`brlcad`	`that would help`
`05:05.13`	`JeffM2501`	`LegendaryBlood did you list the servers?`
`05:05.38`	`supertanker`	`brlcad I would if I know what the map save-to-obj command was`
`05:05.49`	`supertanker`	`but I don't know so I'm trying to find out`
`05:06.10`	`JeffM2501`	`IIRC it is saveworld`
`05:06.15`	`JeffM2501`	`if your client dosn't suport it, upgrade`
`05:06.26`	`supertanker`	`Thanks, I'll see if it works with 2.0.6`
`05:06.30`	`JeffM2501`	`or savemap`
`05:06.36`	`supertanker`	`I tried savemap already`
`05:06.42`	`JeffM2501`	`then try saveworld`
`05:06.52`	`JeffM2501`	`cus ya know that woulda been easier then asking for 5 min`
`05:07.13`	`supertanker`	`Thanks, it worked`
`05:07.20`	`supertanker`	`I am much more used to 'map' than world`
`05:07.22`	`supertanker`	`anyways, got to go`
`05:07.26`	`supertanker`	`thanks!`
`05:07.43`	`brlcad`	`yay, no more crashes and everything is upgraded`
`05:09.49`	`JeffM2501`	`cool`
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`05:16.22`	`LegendaryBlood`	`ahh this is confusing`
`05:16.39`	`LegendaryBlood`	`i cant figure out hiw 2 get in a game`
`05:17.03`	`JeffM2501`	`did you find the list of servers?`
`05:17.05`	`blast007`	`LegendaryBlood: Join Game > Find Servers`
`05:17.15`	`LegendaryBlood`	`i found the list of servers`
`05:17.18`	`LegendaryBlood`	`i picked 1`
`05:17.22`	`LegendaryBlood`	`then it took me bk to the other thing`
`05:17.30`	`brlcad`	`did you then enter a callsign?`
`05:17.41`	`LegendaryBlood`	`uuuhhhh i didnt c it`
`05:17.54`	`blast007`	`then you didn't look too hard`
`05:17.56`	`brlcad`	`when it takes you back, there's a field for your player name`
`05:18.04`	`brlcad`	`you have to provide a name`
`05:18.07`	`brlcad`	`then hit join`
`05:18.12`	`LegendaryBlood`	`wat about the password thingy?`
`05:18.12`	`brlcad`	`or connect`
`05:18.15`	`brlcad`	`or whatever it says`
`05:18.23`	`LegendaryBlood`	`i hit connect but i was by myself again`
`05:18.25`	`brlcad`	`enter your bzbb password or leave it blank`
`05:18.37`	`brlcad`	`you might have selected a server that has no players`
`05:18.38`	`LegendaryBlood`	`i kep ending up by mysself`
`05:18.44`	`LegendaryBlood`	`o`
`05:18.48`	`LegendaryBlood`	`ima try it again`
`05:18.49`	`LegendaryBlood`	`brb`
`05:18.50`	`brlcad`	`go back to the server list`
`05:18.54`	`brlcad`	`it tells you how many`
`05:22.24`	`LegendaryBlood`	`i cant find ne with ppl on`
`05:22.35`	`brlcad`	`~bzflist`
`05:22.55`	`brlcad`	`look for the one that says hepcat`
`05:23.00`	`brlcad`	`borrego.hepcat.org`
`05:23.14`	`LegendaryBlood`	`i think i found 1`
`05:25.14`	`LegendaryBlood`	`HOLY CRAP THIS IS SO FRIGGIN COOL`
`05:25.22`	`LegendaryBlood`	`its all digital and i got umlimited ammo`
`05:25.29`	`LegendaryBlood`	`and i cant find the guy`
`05:25.33`	`LegendaryBlood`	`and im realy fast`
`05:25.52`	`brlcad`	`you sure you're still playing bzflag?`
`05:25.56`	`Theme97`	`ROFL`
`05:26.14`	`brlcad`	`newbies`
`05:26.20`	`brlcad`	`aren't they the cutest`
`05:26.24`	`Theme97`	`<3 newbies`
`05:36.26`	`brlcad`	`~x de en ort`
`05:37.07`	`brlcad`	`wtf am i supposed to put for that on an address?`
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`05:42.55`	`uso`	`brlcad: ort = town`
`05:43.18`	`brlcad`	`ahh.. city`
`05:43.30`	`uso`	`yup, even better :)`
`05:43.41`	`brlcad`	`no matter, i fudged it`
`05:44.06`	`uso`	`hehe`
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`12:51.39`	`zee550`	`how do i get to start play bzflag`
`12:52.41`	`NTH`	`on puplic servers or league matches ?`
`12:53.25`	`zee550`	`i guess public servers`
`12:53.32`	`zee550`	`i just got known to this game`
`12:53.35`	`zee550`	`dont know what to do`
`12:54.19`	`NTH`	`so you have downloaded bzflag and instaleld it ?`
`12:54.45`	`zee550`	`oh, i have to download something?`
`12:56.57`	`NTH`	`sure go to sf.net and search for bzflag`
`12:58.11`	`zee550`	`ok`
`12:58.15`	`zee550`	`ty`
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`15:25.23`	`zee058`	`how do i shoot ingame?`
`15:25.28`	`zee058`	`could someone help me?`
`15:26.11`	`TheRedBaron`	`zee058: the buttons on your mouse`
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`15:26.30`	`zee058`	`ok ty`
`15:27.25`	`blast007`	`the Help menu in the game will also list many details about the different game modes`
`15:27.57`	`TheRedBaron`	`blast007: there is a in game help menu?`
`15:28.04`	`blast007`	`TheRedBaron: yeah :P`
`15:29.29`	`TheRedBaron`	`oh my, there is one!`
`15:29.42`	`TheRedBaron`	`blast007: heh, I should pay more attention :)`
`15:30.11`	`blast007`	`:)`
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`19:33.12`	`dellguy`	`hello`
`19:33.51`	`tannerld`	`hello`
`19:34.00`	`brlcad`	`hello`
`19:34.03`	`Thonolan`	`hi :)`
`19:34.14`	`dellguy`	`I got a new laptop and BZFLAG runs like crap on it`
`19:34.17`	`dellguy`	`any ideas?`
`19:34.21`	`brlcad`	`blame dell?`
`19:34.28`	`tannerld`	`drivers?`
`19:35.26`	`brlcad`	`driver issue is almost guaranteed to be the problem`
`19:35.28`	`dellguy`	`I've got more intensive games that run great on this`
`19:35.55`	`brlcad`	`what do you mean by runs like crap? what sort of framerate, and what's the card?`
`19:36.39`	`dellguy`	`ATI 1150 xpress`
`19:36.43`	`dellguy`	`256 mb card`
`19:37.02`	`dellguy`	`when I load the game and press a button it take like 10 seconds before it does anything`
`19:37.54`	`brlcad`	`hmmm`
`19:38.28`	`brlcad`	`bz might have turned on some video option that your card doesn't support perhaps`
`19:38.51`	`dellguy`	`hmmm... maybe`
`19:38.56`	`brlcad`	`a few simple things to try, like starting up in windowed mode at a low resolution for starters, just so you can maneuver and test`
`19:39.57`	`brlcad`	`then going to the graphics menu, and try changing a couple options -- in particular try turning off lighting and depth buffering and maybe just going down the list to see if any one of those has a big impact`
`19:40.38`	`JeffM2501`	`does it have vista on it?`
`19:40.41`	`brlcad`	`which OS you running?`
`19:41.20`	`brlcad`	`ooh, and the opengl cripplage on top`
`19:41.52`	`dellguy`	`got it`
`19:41.55`	`JeffM2501`	`it's a radeon 200 IGP, it'll support what we do, is just doing softie probalby`
`19:41.58`	`dellguy`	`figured it out`
`19:42.16`	`JeffM2501`	`is it vistatastic?`
`19:42.36`	`dellguy`	`MY current resolution is 1280 X 800 (still running XP. Dell hasn't shipped Vista to me yet)`
`19:42.41`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh good`
`19:42.47`	`dellguy`	`the game doesn't like being ran in 32 bit mode`
`19:42.56`	`dellguy`	`so knocked it down to 8`
`19:43.01`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah your software`
`19:43.06`	`JeffM2501`	`get the current drivers from ATI`
`19:43.11`	`JeffM2501`	`that card can run in 32bit`
`19:43.20`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not a bad chipset with decent drivers`
`19:44.01`	`JeffM2501`	`theRot.get_wp(),theRot.get_tg(),`
`19:44.04`	`JeffM2501`	`wops`
`19:44.08`	`JeffM2501`	`http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/xp/integrated-xp.html`
`19:44.09`	`JeffM2501`	`that :)`
`19:44.12`	`JeffM2501`	`not the rot :)`
`19:44.24`	`JeffM2501`	`silly clipboard`
`19:44.26`	`brlcad`	`yeah, there's nothing in the game that cares about being run at that res or higher in 32 bit mode`
`19:44.31`	`dellguy`	`I did install the ATI Catalyst the last time I reinstalled XP`
`19:44.43`	`JeffM2501`	`check for newer`
`19:44.46`	`dellguy`	`but it appears that they have released a new version since`
`19:44.53`	`dellguy`	`like 2 weeks after I got it`
`19:44.56`	`dellguy`	`go figure`
`19:45.07`	`JeffM2501`	`welcome to the world of graphics hardware`
`19:45.55`	`brlcad`	`where "driver issue is almost guaranteed to be the problem" is the predominant reality`
`19:46.32`	`dellguy`	`anyone remember the days when you just didn't have these problems`
`19:46.42`	`dellguy`	`its was a simpler time... 16mb video`
`19:47.03`	`JeffM2501`	`16 meg cards were still hardware accelerated, and had driver issues`
`19:47.25`	`JeffM2501`	`you'd have to go back to the 1 to 4 meg cards and all software rendering before you can forget driver issues`
`19:47.27`	`brlcad`	`you mean like having to write code that had to detect whether the card supported VGA, EGA, or CGA?`
`19:47.36`	`brlcad`	`mmm.. 4 color glory`
`19:47.53`	`JeffM2501`	`that was even worse, if your program didn't support your card, you were screwed`
`19:48.46`	`dellguy`	`I guess I just never noticed the problems as much`
`19:48.55`	`JeffM2501`	`if all you do is OS drawing, drivers usualy arn't that big of an issue`
`19:48.57`	`CBG`	`"driver issues"?`
`19:49.00`	`JeffM2501`	`it's when you get into rendering`
`19:51.16`	`dellguy`	`haha`
`19:51.43`	`dellguy`	`kinda sad... I'm a computer tech yet I know very little about graphics hardware`
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`19:53.41`	`CBG`	`JeffM2501: you're the graphic's card wiz, right? or is it DTR?`
`19:53.58`	`JeffM2501`	`we all have some information about them`
`19:54.13`	`JeffM2501`	`dtr know more about recent vista issues then I`
`19:54.29`	`CBG`	`I'm just wondering how "good" my new card is: Radeon X1600`
`19:54.36`	`CBG`	`Heh, no Vista for me ;)`
`19:54.36`	`JeffM2501`	`mid range`
`19:54.44`	`JeffM2501`	`low midrange`
`19:54.50`	`JeffM2501`	`faster then a 1300`
`19:54.52`	`TheRedBaron`	`CBG: what are looking to do with it?`
`19:54.54`	`JeffM2501`	`and I own a 1300`
`19:54.59`	`dellguy`	`I've been thinking about upgrading to vista`
`19:55.07`	`JeffM2501`	`I woudln't run eq2 on it, but it'll run wow`
`19:55.11`	`CBG`	`TheRedBaron: anything and everything :P`
`19:55.12`	`dellguy`	`but probably not until this summer when I add another gig to my laptop`
`19:55.26`	`JeffM2501`	`what games will you play CBG ?`
`19:55.32`	`TheRedBaron`	`CBG: you don't strike me as much of a high-end gamer, so I'd say, that card will power anything you want`
`19:55.39`	`JeffM2501`	`and how important are shaders`
`19:55.54`	`TheRedBaron`	`last i checked, your favorite games was either bz, or monkey island :)`
`19:55.57`	`CBG`	`BZ, Halo, hopefully ET (that was pathetic on my iBook, lucky to get 4FPS), etc`
`19:56.02`	`JeffM2501`	`you'll be fine`
`19:56.04`	`JeffM2501`	`food time`
`19:56.05`	`TheRedBaron`	`YOu'll have no problems`
`19:56.16`	`TheRedBaron`	`I could run halo on a geforce 2 GTS :)`
`19:56.16`	`CBG`	`TheRedBaron: bz's not been my fave game for a long time, sadly.`
`19:56.36`	`CBG`	`ET was the only thing I tried to run and couldn't on my iBook`
`19:57.20`	`CBG`	`which has a Mobility Radeon 9200.`
`19:57.35`	`TheRedBaron`	`odd`
`19:57.56`	`CBG`	`which was probably the crappest card in any mac at the time - 2 years ago.`
`19:58.29`	`CBG`	`I mean, it ran... at 2-3 FPS. Fun...`
`19:58.36`	`Manu`	`brlcad: wow.. bzflag server message have changed ;)`
`20:00.15`	`TheRedBaron`	`iirc, I could run ET on a radeon 7000`
`20:00.55`	`CBG`	`Hmm, I had 768 MB Ram - and this was a _Mobility_...`
`20:01.07`	`TheRedBaron`	`thats what I'm guessing, the mobility.`
`20:01.21`	`CBG`	`yeah, figures.`
`20:10.25`	`CIA-1`	`BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/MainWindow.cxx: Fixing segv when joystick is not used`
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`21:24.55`	`the`	`Hello`
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`22:05.03`	`big_daddy2`	`hello?`
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`23:01.55`	`inchworm`	`s`
`23:01.59`	`inchworm`	`oops sorry`
`23:02.31`	`donny_baker`	`inchworm: feeling like a snake today?`
`23:02.40`	`inchworm`	`hmm?`
`23:02.43`	`donny_baker`	`sssss`
`23:02.50`	`inchworm`	`oh..that was part of an ls`
`23:03.25`	`donny_baker`	`at least it wasn't your password... Ive done that before ;)`
`23:03.35`	`donny_baker`	`then I had to change it quickly`
`23:03.43`	`inchworm`	`very quickly :)`
`23:04.38`	`TheRedBaron`	`inchworm: same`
`23:04.46`	`inchworm`	`it doesn't pass page up and page down commands to the shell`
`23:04.54`	`inchworm`	`it pages the local window instaed`
`23:05.22`	`inchworm`	`and then the colors are bizarre, like the <> brackets around names are always black, no matter how I set the text color`
`23:05.34`	`inchworm`	`and then my name is always white, no matter how i set the text colors`
`23:05.52`	`inchworm`	`so it makes it hard to find a background color where everything has good contrast`
`23:09.29`	`inchworm`	`sorta`
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