| 00:00.09 | brlcad | would have to ask amcnabb |
| 00:00.56 | tcoppi | yeah, then it could be used from any language |
| 00:04.04 | brlcad | or could be a script interpreter itself |
| 00:04.12 | brlcad | s/or/and/ |
| 00:05.12 | brlcad | something like tcl or shell or lua would do rather well as a command interpreter |
| 00:08.42 | brlcad | another entirely separate idea not listed but related would be to make the necessary mods to the client/server so that they could run without time lockstepping so that you could run a simulation at full cpu speed. this would be beneficial for evolutionary AI research in particular where you may need to run thousands upon thousands of game iterations |
| 00:10.48 | brlcad | that aspect of the task isn't that incredibly complicated, probably just a couple weeks of work, but then actually implement a GA using existing bzrobot functionality |
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| 00:22.36 | eTangenT | :o |
| 00:22.40 | eTangenT | tsk, tsk, donny_baker |
| 00:22.46 | eTangenT | you made a typo in the wiki :D |
| 00:23.29 | eTangenT | don't worry! thanks to the power of wiki, I have repaired it! |
| 00:24.43 | brlcad | I knew there was a reason that we pay you |
| 00:26.13 | eTangenT | but... but... you don't! |
| 00:26.30 | brlcad | oh .. you haven't been getting the checks??? |
| 00:26.37 | brlcad | should take that up with accounting |
| 00:28.51 | SportChick | +f |
| 00:28.51 | Guu | I don't know! |
| 00:29.48 | eTangenT | it's alright guys |
| 00:29.51 | eTangenT | I got a raise at work |
| 00:29.58 | eTangenT | I now get $7.10 an hour |
| 00:30.01 | eTangenT | rather than $6.85 |
| 00:30.02 | eTangenT | :-\ |
| 00:30.20 | brlcad | so .. you're buying? |
| 00:30.38 | eTangenT | oh no |
| 00:30.43 | eTangenT | SportChick is buying. |
| 00:32.48 | eTangenT | alright, when did teleporters get introduced to bzflag? |
| 00:32.50 | eTangenT | what version #? |
| 00:33.33 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (Player.cxx Player.h): No more a fake tank in the middle |
| 00:34.03 | L4m3r | do +f and -f work in the map options block? |
| 00:34.43 | brlcad | should |
| 00:34.48 | L4m3r | ok |
| 00:34.52 | eTangenT | yes they do |
| 00:35.03 | eTangenT | brlcad, were the teles in 1.0.0? |
| 00:35.52 | SportChick | nope, not me |
| 00:36.02 | brlcad | eTangenT: ehm.. I don't know |
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| 00:39.25 | langley | datalore |
| 00:40.12 | eTangenT | wheee |
| 00:40.28 | eTangenT | I should play around on the wiki more often |
| 00:40.46 | DTRemenak | yes, yes you should! :) |
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| 01:00.20 | lodxcol | what's the max flags allowed on a map? |
| 01:00.57 | blast007 | I don't think there is a fixed "maximum" |
| 01:01.15 | blast007 | how many are you wanting? |
| 01:01.26 | delusional_ | he has exactly 255, and identify only shows phantom zone flags |
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| 01:03.48 | a_meteorite | 255 is a lot of flags... |
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| 01:07.18 | lodxcol | ~bz-cvs |
| 01:07.35 | lodxcol | ~bzcvs |
| 01:07.36 | ibot | well, bzcvs is http://my.bzflag.org/wiki/index.php/BZFlag_CVS, or cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P bzflag |
| 01:07.37 | lodxcol | ;( |
| 01:07.39 | lodxcol | ty |
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| 01:08.27 | spldart | LOLOL!!! A punny i made here ended up on bash.org 8-0 |
| 01:09.03 | a_meteorite | bash id? |
| 01:09.31 | blast007 | spldart: yeah, noticed that |
| 01:09.38 | blast007 | a_meteorite: search for "spldart" |
| 01:10.30 | a_meteorite | bash isn't responding to my search :( |
| 01:10.49 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzrobots/Makefile.am: need to use the new syncclock |
| 01:10.55 | blast007 | go to the latest ones |
| 01:10.58 | blast007 | it's on that page |
| 01:11.06 | Hannibal | 10http://bash.org/?737124 |
| 01:11.23 | spldart | yeppers |
| 01:11.40 | spldart | bash is uber slow for me |
| 01:11.49 | a_meteorite | *swoosh* over head |
| 01:12.17 | Hannibal | 10yeah, same here. |
| 01:12.30 | spldart | Really? |
| 01:12.50 | Hannibal | 10yes |
| 01:12.54 | spldart | huh |
| 01:13.00 | blast007 | heh...wow |
| 01:13.06 | L4m3r | lol |
| 01:23.40 | TD-Linux | I don't understand that bash quote. |
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| 01:24.17 | a_meteorite | neither do I |
| 01:24.23 | spldart | meh |
| 01:24.43 | TD-Linux | 8.5 million... /me ponders |
| 01:24.43 | Hannibal | 15blast007: 00Hannibal: what two places do people normally pull crazy numbers and information from? A hat, and...?10 |
| 01:24.54 | Hannibal | 10TD, the number means nothign |
| 01:24.58 | Hannibal | 10nothing* |
| 01:25.00 | spldart | the statistic specific means nothing |
| 01:25.01 | DTRemenak | Hannibal: please, please stop using colorized text |
| 01:25.08 | daxxar | When someone's talking crap you usually say they "pulled it out of their ass". |
| 01:25.08 | TD-Linux | a hat and... |
| 01:25.18 | TD-Linux | never heard that, daxxar |
| 01:25.50 | daxxar | Okay :-) |
| 01:26.04 | daxxar | Hm, I need to get to writing a GSoC application. |
| 01:26.06 | spldart | The quote "pull that out their arse has been around for many decades.... I thought every had heard |
| 01:26.57 | daxxar | Well, I guess it's less common if you're not a native english speaker. (Like me) |
| 01:27.17 | spldart | I like the loose relation to one of JeffM's fav terms of endearment.... Asshat |
| 01:28.08 | daxxar | ;-) |
| 01:31.47 | brlcad | daxxar: yes .. yes you do ;) |
| 01:32.16 | brlcad | i get a sense that we're going to get a rush of applicants near the end with a bias towards the early submitters... :) |
| 01:32.23 | daxxar | :O |
| 01:32.32 | daxxar | brlcad: Many people offering up on the headless? |
| 01:32.41 | DTRemenak | not yet |
| 01:32.51 | brlcad | that's actually gotten the most response so far, but no submissions finalized |
| 01:33.04 | brlcad | i've heard at least four intentions |
| 01:33.22 | DTRemenak | hm, really? I'd only heard about two, and they were pretty vague |
| 01:33.28 | DTRemenak | L4m3r: apply! |
| 01:33.44 | L4m3r | what kind of time commitment are we talking about? |
| 01:33.45 | brlcad | DTRemenak: elsewhere, on summer-discuss |
| 01:33.52 | DTRemenak | ahh |
| 01:33.54 | brlcad | only three here iirc |
| 01:34.15 | a_meteorite | I would, but I'm not old enough. :( |
| 01:34.19 | brlcad | L4m3r: you should apply! |
| 01:34.32 | a_meteorite | Still doesn't mean I can't do things just for fun. :D |
| 01:34.43 | brlcad | heck, I'd apply had I been enrolled this semester |
| 01:34.50 | brlcad | :) |
| 01:34.56 | a_meteorite | hehe |
| 01:35.18 | L4m3r | I basically have two doubts here... time and experience |
| 01:35.34 | lodxcol | what does this mean? |
| 01:35.34 | lodxcol | U bzflag/tools/modeltool/modeltool.cxx |
| 01:35.35 | lodxcol | cvs [checkout aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any) |
| 01:35.51 | brlcad | L4m3r: come up with an idea that fits your experience |
| 01:35.59 | brlcad | doesn't have to be C++ code |
| 01:36.07 | L4m3r | oh, I like C++ |
| 01:36.14 | L4m3r | I just haven't done a lot with it |
| 01:36.25 | DTRemenak | SoC is intended to be for people without too much experience |
| 01:36.32 | brlcad | lodxcol: that means you were receiving an update and for whatever reason, the connection was killed |
| 01:36.35 | DTRemenak | it's largely a learning program anyway |
| 01:36.37 | brlcad | just update again |
| 01:36.53 | lodxcol | so try it again? it was a CVS checkout |
| 01:36.58 | brlcad | though predominantly to just "write more code" |
| 01:37.01 | DTRemenak | lodxcol: you should be able to do an update |
| 01:37.06 | brlcad | lodxcol: yes |
| 01:37.12 | brlcad | update -dP |
| 01:37.14 | DTRemenak | cvs update -dP |
| 01:37.49 | brlcad | haven't jinx'd in months |
| 01:38.10 | DTRemenak | true, guess it's been blast007 recently :) |
| 01:40.25 | brlcad | yay, my contributions to CIA are complete |
| 01:40.37 | danderson | \o/ |
| 01:41.01 | brlcad | "Commits In Action" |
| 01:48.10 | L4m3r | "commits inaction" |
| 01:48.11 | L4m3r | :P |
| 01:52.42 | LongDon | brlcad: phpbb thinks that "ThisCallSign" and "thisCallsign" and "thiscallsign" are all the same, correct? |
| 01:53.33 | blast007 | yeah |
| 01:53.34 | LongDon | If yes, i and you have to make sure that usernames are checked against LDAP in lowercase |
| 01:53.51 | LongDon | (and stored in ldap as lowercase |
| 01:53.56 | LongDon | k |
| 01:54.02 | blast007 | eh.. |
| 01:54.21 | a_meteorite | blast007: LDAP is a goal for GSoC |
| 01:54.21 | blast007 | can't they be stored in mixed case? |
| 01:54.29 | blast007 | a_meteorite: yeah |
| 01:54.41 | a_meteorite | blast007: oh, heh, thought you didn't know that when you said "eh.." :P |
| 01:55.00 | blast007 | LongDon: I don't feel storing them in lowercase would be an acceptable solution |
| 01:55.13 | blast007 | because then all the forum usernames would be lowercase |
| 01:55.18 | a_meteorite | eek |
| 01:55.54 | blast007 | or would we have to make/use another field that stored the proper casing? |
| 01:55.56 | LongDon | blast007: they can |
| 01:56.28 | LongDon | But authentication is successful only with the correct matching callsign |
| 01:57.13 | LongDon | Else "LongDon", "Longdon" and "longdon" are 3 different users. |
| 01:57.29 | LongDon | will try. give me a moment |
| 01:58.22 | blast007 | hmm |
| 01:59.04 | blast007 | I don't have much LDAP knowledge |
| 01:59.20 | blast007 | only played with the LDAP stuff in Server 2003's Active Directory |
| 01:59.26 | LongDon | ihhhhhh |
| 01:59.33 | blast007 | but I had mediawiki authentication against it |
| 01:59.39 | blast007 | authenticating* |
| 02:00.03 | LongDon | did that already with phpbb3, mediawiki and drupal for the bzflag people ;) |
| 02:00.07 | a_meteorite | LongDon: So you signed up for GSoC? |
| 02:01.18 | LongDon | no |
| 02:01.25 | a_meteorite | oh |
| 02:01.34 | eTangenT | alright, I must go now. |
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| 02:01.35 | LongDon | I can work without getting paid ; |
| 02:01.43 | eTangenT | I'l lbe back to make more wiki contributions tomorrow |
| 02:01.51 | brlcad | LongDon: sounds good |
| 02:02.08 | LongDon | all three authenticate fine against ldap |
| 02:04.41 | brlcad | there's actually something towards storing them in their provided case |
| 02:05.10 | brlcad | so that it can be printed correctly back to them, regardless of the case they use |
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| 02:31.14 | LongDon | bbl |
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| 02:47.42 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Player.cxx: Tank direction now follows its speed |
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| 03:04.48 | daxxar | brlcad: you still around? |
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| 03:21.42 | brlcad | daxxar: yep |
| 03:31.50 | daxxar | brlcad: Hm, never mind. I'll probably banter you tomorrow. ;-) |
| 03:31.59 | daxxar | I've started a draft of the application for bzflag. :) |
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| 04:02.12 | KTL | brlcad, after a lot of anger and trial and error |
| 04:02.18 | KTL | i finally got what i needed |
| 04:02.28 | KTL | using qt |
| 04:03.07 | KTL | i can modify a qimage, for drawing my work thread can post an event |
| 04:03.26 | KTL | that event will cause the qimage to be converted to a pixmap |
| 04:03.40 | KTL | and the pixmap will be drawn to a qwidget ... |
| 04:03.52 | KTL | ow djee, complex |
| 04:04.05 | KTL | but everything related to qt looks so nice :D |
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| 04:24.16 | brlcad | heh |
| 04:24.50 | brlcad | daxxar: look forward to reading it |
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| 04:53.50 | daniel_jackson | hello all |
| 04:55.17 | blast007 | hi |
| 04:59.58 | daniel_jackson | hey |
| 05:00.59 | brlcad | ciao |
| 05:01.07 | daniel_jackson | cu |
| 05:01.26 | daniel_jackson | wait a minute whats ciao? |
| 05:01.30 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 05:02.07 | DTRemenak | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciao |
| 05:02.16 | lodxcol | I think it can be used as a greeting as well |
| 05:02.21 | daniel_jackson | oh ty |
| 05:02.22 | DTRemenak | yup, does both |
| 05:02.59 | daniel_jackson | hi? bye? |
| 05:03.06 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 05:03.31 | lodxcol | like right now, I'll use it to say bye |
| 05:03.33 | lodxcol | ciao! |
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| 05:03.51 | daniel_jackson | I was saying that that to bricad! lol |
| 05:04.57 | daniel_jackson | well I know bonjour in french is similair |
| 05:07.00 | daniel_jackson | hey on a more practical note, I'm trying to find a plugin that will auto kick people with data loss > a certain percent, does one exist? |
| 05:08.52 | daniel_jackson | I'm trying to figure out if it would just be easier to make a unix script |
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| 05:09.54 | brlcad | daniel_jackson: brLcad, but cheers anyways |
| 05:10.17 | TheRedBaron | burlycad |
| 05:12.27 | jeffm2501 | rought tough burlycad? |
| 05:12.35 | menotume | brillopad |
| 05:14.11 | jeffm2501 | brlcad, looks like we got 3 so far |
| 05:14.16 | menotume | ya |
| 05:14.20 | jeffm2501 | how many you bet before the end? |
| 05:14.28 | menotume | the Visual Map Editor proposal looks promising |
| 05:14.34 | jeffm2501 | ondeed |
| 05:14.36 | jeffm2501 | indeed |
| 05:14.40 | jeffm2501 | I can deal with gtk |
| 05:14.44 | menotume | ya |
| 05:15.12 | jeffm2501 | DTRemenak, if anyone asks, I'll be late tomorow |
| 05:15.17 | jeffm2501 | still in lancaster |
| 05:15.29 | DTRemenak | ok |
| 05:16.01 | jeffm2501 | and maybe it'll let me delay tellin chis that he has to fix like 60 posts :) |
| 05:16.08 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 05:16.33 | menotume | lancaster, pa ? |
| 05:16.41 | jeffm2501 | no |
| 05:16.47 | jeffm2501 | california |
| 05:16.47 | menotume | ahhh |
| 05:17.37 | brlcad | maybe a dozen |
| 05:17.39 | menotume | i like this: "fter the conclusion of the project I will continue to help maintain the editor so that it doesn't fall into disrepair..." |
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| 05:23.47 | TheRedBaron | you look like both? |
| 05:25.52 | daniel_jackson | I'm trying to find a plugin that will auto kick people with data loss > a certain percent, does one exist? |
| 05:25.52 | daniel_jackson | I'm trying to figure out if it would just be easier to make a unix script |
| 05:28.00 | purple_cow | a unix script? |
| 05:28.25 | daniel_jackson | I don't know I made a unix script to reset the flags |
| 05:29.41 | daniel_jackson | I don't know how complicated it would be to have bzadmin kick players with a data loss over *% |
| 05:30.58 | daniel_jackson | thats why I'm wondering if theres a plugin that exists already that will do that job |
| 05:33.37 | daniel_jackson | oh well I'm taking off |
| 05:35.18 | Constitution | Will GSoC applications submitted early have any special consideration over those submitted a few days later? |
| 05:35.48 | DTRemenak | those submitted at the very end will get less review, and less time for student responses to questions we have |
| 05:36.12 | Constitution | Okay, thanks. |
| 05:44.46 | TheRedBaron | is there a terminal velocity in BZ? |
| 05:45.19 | DTRemenak | no |
| 05:47.12 | brlcad | when you hit something |
| 05:47.12 | TheRedBaron | hrm |
| 05:47.31 | TheRedBaron | ouch |
| 05:47.41 | L4m3r | you can fall very very fast if you start high enough |
| 05:49.03 | TheRedBaron | understood, just wondered if there was a limit to how fast one could fall |
| 05:51.54 | L4m3r | hm... with a low framerate, couldn't you fall right through large objects if you were falling fast enough? |
| 05:53.36 | TheRedBaron | l4m3r i was thinking of that |
| 05:55.15 | DTRemenak | yes, you can |
| 05:55.27 | DTRemenak | framerate doesn't have to be that low even |
| 05:56.12 | DTRemenak | when I was running hills it was pretty common to see someone drop from a wings fight and fall straight through the platforms |
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| 07:00.14 | bz81 | asdfasdf |
| 07:01.33 | DTRemenak | jkl;jkl; |
| 07:48.27 | AAA_awright | kjshdfjk8 |
| 07:55.17 | Manu | two new bzflag applications for the GSoC :) |
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| 09:39.00 | mithro | Manu: who many does that make? |
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| 09:43.28 | Manu | mithro: actually there are three applications |
| 09:44.39 | mithro | Manu: we have two so far :) |
| 09:45.44 | Manu | we? |
| 09:46.31 | Manu | what project mithro ? |
| 09:47.55 | mithro | Thousand Parsec |
| 09:48.19 | Manu | ah, yes, I see :) |
| 09:48.38 | Manu | that is good :) |
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| 10:46.20 | daxxar | Aww, cute. :) |
| 10:51.56 | ts | daxxar: I tried to find out whether the bot is alive |
| 10:52.26 | ts | something is wrong, either with CIA or SF |
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| 13:57.53 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03t-s * 10bzflag/ (include/PlayerState.h src/bzflag/LocalPlayer.cxx): Back off a tiny distance only 1 time when hitting an obstacle |
| 14:02.59 | LongDon | brlcad: Some callsigns cant be migrated to ldap. Callsigns containing #, $, <, > and some more create an invalid dn syntax |
| 14:03.20 | LongDon | Or shall i use html codes for that? |
| 14:05.25 | ruskie | O.o |
| 14:05.28 | ruskie | what's this? |
| 14:05.46 | LongDon | doesnt work. |
| 14:05.58 | LongDon | ruskie: asking me? |
| 14:06.05 | ruskie | yup |
| 14:06.21 | ruskie | curious what you're doing with ldap |
| 14:06.23 | LongDon | Be more verbose on your question :) |
| 14:06.45 | LongDon | we want to move the authentication to ldap |
| 14:07.03 | ruskie | erm... define "we" |
| 14:07.59 | LongDon | bzflag devs |
| 14:08.31 | KTL | ldap sounds good |
| 14:08.31 | ruskie | hmm sounds like a nice idea... |
| 14:08.38 | LongDon | Authentication for bzflag, phpbb, Wiki and website |
| 14:08.49 | ruskie | erm |
| 14:09.03 | ruskie | I was only thinking of the in game auth |
| 14:09.27 | ruskie | everything else is imho not usefull... why do I need to be regiseterd on a forum to play bzflag as global registered |
| 14:09.32 | LongDon | game contacts an bzauthd which does the authentication. Just like the list server does now |
| 14:09.54 | LongDon | s/an/a/ |
| 14:10.18 | LongDon | Later you will register your nick from within the client. |
| 14:10.25 | LongDon | No need to register at a forum |
| 14:10.44 | LongDon | But the same nick and password can be used for the forum without registering again |
| 14:10.57 | KTL | mmm that last patch "Back off a tiny distance only 1 time when hitting an obstacle", i hope tanks partially in buildings still get pushed out (oo loosing their flag because of thief or nr) |
| 14:11.33 | ruskie | reduces security imho |
| 14:11.36 | LongDon | single sign on is great |
| 14:11.51 | LongDon | Think of administration issues |
| 14:12.06 | ruskie | I prefer to think of the security issues |
| 14:12.12 | LongDon | think about comfort for the user |
| 14:12.52 | ruskie | lol |
| 14:12.54 | LongDon | Where do you see more problems when handling authentication at several instead of one place |
| 14:13.12 | LongDon | Securing 1 service is better than securing many |
| 14:13.17 | ruskie | with one place it means it only takes ONE password to hack to get full access |
| 14:13.40 | ruskie | with multilpe auth it means only ONE service get's accessed therefore reducing intrussion to a minimum |
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| 14:14.13 | LongDon | use complex passwords. Then hacking takes too long to success |
| 14:14.54 | ruskie | now show me a user that uses a complex password and I'll show you 1000 of them that don't |
| 14:15.01 | LongDon | ;) |
| 14:15.07 | ruskie | or that they use a different password for each service |
| 14:15.15 | LongDon | Just setup the system to allow complex passwords only. |
| 14:15.24 | ruskie | then you lose users |
| 14:15.35 | LongDon | Thats no problem for me ;) |
| 14:15.45 | LongDon | dont know what the devs think ;) |
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| 14:16.44 | ruskie | considering how many servers don't have a "registered only" policy due to not wanting to lose users... |
| 14:17.56 | donny_baker | ruskie: the reason that has not taken off, in part, is because the game itself does not lend itself to easy registration |
| 14:18.37 | donny_baker | i couldn't figure out where to register for over 3 months |
| 14:19.04 | ruskie | it's enough to just ask an admin/cop |
| 14:19.14 | ruskie | most are ussualy helpfull enough to point you in the right direction |
| 14:19.29 | donny_baker | and new users are aware of the how? |
| 14:19.51 | donny_baker | when you started playing did you know what an @ was, or where to find that out |
| 14:19.59 | ruskie | I know what those were |
| 14:20.16 | donny_baker | and being new, you don't want to ask stupid questions, at least I don'r :p |
| 14:20.22 | TheRedBaron | when I started playing, i didn't even know how to jump |
| 14:20.29 | ruskie | then you're the one that's stupid... |
| 14:20.30 | donny_baker | exactly |
| 14:20.34 | ruskie | there are no stupid questions |
| 14:20.40 | ruskie | only stupid answers |
| 14:20.46 | ruskie | can't learn if you don't ask |
| 14:20.47 | ts | KTL: The unstuck code is not affected by it. However in practice people get less stuck because the events needed to get stuck happen less. |
| 14:20.49 | donny_baker | it takes time... and making registration easier will help the game, IMHO |
| 14:21.05 | ruskie | doubtfull |
| 14:22.52 | TheRedBaron | ruskie: i figure it out myself eventually |
| 14:23.11 | ruskie | but basicaly a move to registered only service should start now... by issueing a list server message that in the future there might be a move to regiseterd only playing and that players are encouraged to registered at $URL |
| 14:23.26 | ruskie | first thing I did when I started bzflag was read the HELP 5 times |
| 14:24.03 | donny_baker | ruskie: the real benefit of the ldap auth though will be the ability to have a distributed authentication system, not relying on one server :) |
| 14:24.08 | LongDon | i didnt. TRB: i had the same problem ;) |
| 14:24.25 | ruskie | also I have an ability to quickly learn new interfaces and controls and such |
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| 14:24.46 | ruskie | atleast the basics |
| 14:24.49 | ts | donny_baker: When registering in-game and they loose their password they will do what? To have a instant registration you can't wait for the email...so if they email then they don't even know what to do (and I would not know, neither) |
| 14:25.21 | TheRedBaron | put together a cohesive readme/help file? |
| 14:26.02 | TheRedBaron | ruskie: its a game... how secure do we need the passwords? |
| 14:26.03 | ruskie | TheRedBaron, depends what kinde of access you have |
| 14:26.07 | TheRedBaron | do explain |
| 14:26.14 | ruskie | I'm a cop on viper... I certainly wouldn't want anyone else gaining that power |
| 14:26.37 | TheRedBaron | ruskie: use a good password? |
| 14:26.44 | LongDon | so you use a secure password |
| 14:26.47 | ruskie | I use randoml/y generated passwords |
| 14:27.13 | ruskie | but still the games STORES it plaintext in the config file |
| 14:27.15 | LongDon | Thats works with ldap too |
| 14:27.15 | TheRedBaron | those with more responsibilities, are usually give those responsibilities/access/power because they can handle it |
| 14:27.24 | TheRedBaron | ruskie: turn off that option |
| 14:27.39 | TheRedBaron | under the ingame options menu |
| 14:27.39 | LongDon | Perhaps that will change and it stores it as md5 or whatever |
| 14:28.00 | delusional | Registration info could be in the MOTD |
| 14:28.18 | delusional | that solves a lot of problems |
| 14:28.31 | ruskie | well that info should be in there already... |
| 14:28.38 | donny_baker | yes it would |
| 14:28.45 | delusional | I agree. |
| 14:28.52 | ruskie | so that in case it EVER goes to a full reg only ppl already know about it |
| 14:29.04 | ruskie | might even increase registrations currently |
| 14:29.14 | delusional | almost immediately |
| 14:29.16 | donny_baker | I am modifying the MOTD today, I'll see about getting it added |
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| 14:58.32 | bish | oops |
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| 15:01.41 | KTL | added another flag idea to the huuge list |
| 15:02.25 | Birdie | uhoh the leuven guy |
| 15:02.52 | KTL | wth |
| 15:03.05 | Birdie | :-) |
| 15:10.56 | ts | I really think someone of the admins should lock the flag ideas page |
| 15:12.06 | KTL | or make another page apart for the new ideas |
| 15:12.46 | KTL | mmm on top someone considered removing SR, grrrr that's a good flag! |
| 15:13.18 | Birdie | we shouldnt remove any flags, i think they were put in for some reason, every flag has his strength and weakness |
| 15:13.39 | DTRemenak | ts: why do you think that? the reason it's a wiki page is to collect ideas... |
| 15:13.40 | TheRedBaron | remove wings! |
| 15:13.54 | KTL | away with wings! :D |
| 15:14.09 | ts | DTRemenak: Look at how huge the list is |
| 15:14.15 | DTRemenak | ts: so? |
| 15:14.31 | ts | I don't think new ideas are needed |
| 15:14.37 | DTRemenak | just means we have more ideas to choose from if we want a new flag |
| 15:14.52 | ts | There are plenty of accepted ones |
| 15:15.16 | KTL | but is there a general ideas page? because i think there are allready enough flags |
| 15:15.17 | DTRemenak | besides, the wiki page is a nice place for them to go so they don't fill up the enhancements forum and RFE tracker |
| 15:15.23 | DTRemenak | KTL: there is |
| 15:15.43 | KTL | the current code |
| 15:15.44 | DTRemenak | ts: and what is it hurting to have more? |
| 15:15.46 | ts | DTRemenak: RFE tracker? |
| 15:15.57 | KTL | can it support ... looking euhm ... with an angle |
| 15:16.02 | KTL | as if you turn the screen |
| 15:16.21 | DTRemenak | ts: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=3248&atid=353248 |
| 15:16.21 | ts | Well, the list is hard to read with that many entries |
| 15:16.29 | DTRemenak | ts: so don't read it :P |
| 15:17.35 | KTL | wouldn't it be cool to have a bit of vibration in the window? depending on the speed the viewed area can go up/down a bit, rotate a bit |
| 15:17.37 | ts | Will that end to everybody not reading it? ;) |
| 15:17.52 | DTRemenak | ts: what do I care if anybody reads it? |
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| 15:17.58 | KTL | :D |
| 15:19.16 | ts | DTRemenak: Wasn't one of the reasons for the new wiki to have all the information readable (end editable) at a place? |
| 15:19.23 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 15:19.30 | DTRemenak | and it is, is it not? |
| 15:19.39 | DTRemenak | if someone wants to read it or clean it up or whatever, they can |
| 15:19.54 | DTRemenak | and if they don't, they *don't have to* (and that includes you ;) ) |
| 15:20.01 | Manu | DTRemenak: 2 new bzflag applications ;) |
| 15:20.02 | ts | Not with that many entries in the flag suggestion list |
| 15:22.24 | KTL | btw, what is the situation around driving on slopes? |
| 15:22.40 | brlcad | it's bzFLAG .. it's our job to deal with flags, flag suggestions, and be receptive to more flag ideas |
| 15:23.05 | DTRemenak | KTL: hmmm...you mean the third item on http://my.bzflag.org/w/Rejected_Ideas ? :) |
| 15:23.07 | brlcad | it's at the core of the game, there's no such thing as too many |
| 15:24.01 | KTL | design action mmm if is there no dirty hack possible to not let a tank stop because there is a grain of sand in his way?? |
| 15:24.20 | brlcad | if the list has grown, someone could easily add a one-level categorization hierarchy |
| 15:24.25 | brlcad | classify each flag |
| 15:24.31 | DTRemenak | KTL: there is a "bump height" that can be set to allow you to drive over "grains of sand" |
| 15:24.46 | brlcad | as a weapon, behavior modification, etc |
| 15:24.47 | KTL | server config |
| 15:24.48 | KTL | ? |
| 15:24.51 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 15:25.44 | DTRemenak | KTL: /set _maxBumpHeight |
| 15:25.54 | DTRemenak | defaults to a third of a unit or thereabouts |
| 15:28.52 | KTL | if a tank blows up, what meshes are shown? these could ly on the ground for some time |
| 15:28.55 | KTL | lie |
| 15:30.45 | DTRemenak | brlcad: sure you want to add flags to the soc page? most of the approved ideas are an evening or two to implement |
| 15:31.08 | Manu | buenos dÃas brlcad :) |
| 15:31.18 | KTL | :) |
| 15:32.11 | DTRemenak | KTL: tank parts are noncollidable |
| 15:32.14 | KTL | just to make the thing world more visually appealing |
| 15:32.28 | KTL | not to bump into them |
| 15:32.56 | DTRemenak | KTL: might be able to do it with existing settings (or we might just clip the parts through the ground, not sure) |
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| 15:47.46 | brlcad | DTRemenak: that's why it's "Flag(s)" |
| 15:48.00 | brlcad | some of the flags are several weeks effort too |
| 15:48.21 | brlcad | just an idea.. hey, if someone wants to implement some really interesting flag ideas, I think we'd be receptive |
| 15:48.31 | brlcad | (regardless of the program) |
| 15:48.41 | brlcad | and buenos dÃas Manu :) |
| 15:48.48 | KTL | copy paste! |
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| 15:56.04 | Manu | brlcad: have you seen the new bzflag applications? |
| 15:56.13 | Manu | now we have three |
| 15:56.23 | Manu | z:) |
| 15:57.01 | brlcad | yep, I saw |
| 15:57.03 | brlcad | good stuff |
| 15:57.07 | Manu | yes |
| 15:57.37 | KTL | :) are they human? |
| 15:57.45 | Manu | no :) |
| 16:01.27 | KTL | aargh the pdf flyer looks terrible printed |
| 16:02.55 | KTL | png is ok |
| 16:03.11 | Manu | some colors aren't good to be printed ;) |
| 16:03.35 | brlcad | some font or pdf compatibility issue |
| 16:03.49 | KTL | there are black backgrounds added on the pdf, very ugly |
| 16:03.59 | brlcad | yeah, that's pdf compatibility |
| 16:04.10 | cosmos | heh NJ preschool wants to teach intro to algebra |
| 16:04.14 | brlcad | shadows |
| 16:05.05 | cosmos | "we think that any student who is not in calculus and advanced sciences by the age of 7 is not fit for the education system" |
| 16:05.40 | Manu | it looks fine for me :/ |
| 16:05.55 | KTL | he has to have build a fission reactor before he is 9! |
| 16:06.24 | KTL | png is ok, will hang it out at the computer lab |
| 16:06.36 | Manu | KTL: I can see both fine |
| 16:07.08 | KTL | i got a course about declarative languages, oral exam |
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| 16:07.15 | KTL | i did not print the paper |
| 16:07.19 | KTL | i only got the pdf |
| 16:07.21 | KTL | open book |
| 16:07.26 | Manu | KTL: I mean in the screen |
| 16:07.26 | KTL | the evening before the exam |
| 16:07.30 | KTL | i tried to print :D |
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| 16:07.42 | Manu | also converted to ps looks fine |
| 16:07.43 | KTL | nothing linux like succeeded in printing |
| 16:07.52 | KTL | yes my black stuff in when printed on paper |
| 16:07.54 | KTL | is |
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| 16:09.25 | Manu | KTL: printing looks fine too |
| 16:10.23 | KTL | ok my print system will be ****ed |
| 16:10.31 | Manu | :) |
| 16:11.23 | Manu | and my system is linux :) |
| 16:12.26 | KTL | i dont spend time in configuring other things then basic features :) |
| 16:12.35 | KTL | but i want to get beryl running grmbl |
| 16:21.59 | donny_baker | ruskie, delusional: MOTD updated :) |
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| 16:52.07 | a_temp_dist | "chock" - heh |
| 16:53.54 | donny_baker | hehe, yeah I plagarized what JeffM2501 put out on bzflag.org :) |
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| 17:18.33 | anomaly | anyone here able to help me with my account? |
| 17:18.47 | SportChick | anomaly: what's the problem? |
| 17:19.09 | anomaly | changed my email this morning, now my account is inactive |
| 17:19.42 | SportChick | hrm - you probably need jeffm2501, DTRemenak, brlcad or one of those guys for that |
| 17:19.54 | SportChick | maybe blast007 or L4m3r |
| 17:20.13 | anomaly | I have emailed jeffm, haven't heard back |
| 17:20.23 | anomaly | guess i'll have to wait |
| 17:20.35 | anomaly | thanks |
| 17:21.54 | SportChick | anomaly: be patient - it's still early where he is |
| 17:22.24 | Erroneous | so much for being patient... |
| 17:22.35 | SportChick | heh |
| 17:22.51 | SportChick | his quit button is faster than my typing ;) |
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| 17:58.51 | Manu | buonasera Alfredo |
| 17:58.58 | Manu | tupone_laptop: red tanks are working fine :) |
| 17:59.03 | tupone_laptop | great |
| 17:59.13 | tupone_laptop | have to be a bit bigger |
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| 18:38.50 | [darek] | hi |
| 18:39.10 | tupone_laptop | https://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=3248 |
| 18:39.10 | SportChick | hi daxxar |
| 18:39.12 | SportChick | oops |
| 18:39.16 | SportChick | hi [darek] |
| 18:39.22 | [darek] | hi SportChick :) |
| 18:39.23 | SportChick | ~lart tablcomplete |
| 18:39.31 | tupone_laptop | darek there are the information for CVS access |
| 18:39.37 | tupone_laptop | modules is bzflag |
| 18:39.44 | [darek] | tupone_laptop: ok |
| 18:39.48 | JeffM2501 | [darek], you now have CVS access, thanks for helping us out :) |
| 18:39.55 | JeffM2501 | tupone_laptop, I did a cvs wiki page, it lists the modules |
| 18:40.05 | tupone_laptop | branch is v2_0_cs_branch |
| 18:40.43 | [darek] | JeffM2501: :) |
| 18:41.00 | tupone_laptop | wiki is http://my.bzflag.org/w/Main_Page |
| 18:44.39 | brlcad | you're on a branch, so no worries about breaking stuff .. break away :) |
| 18:44.53 | brlcad | just have to phear the tupone |
| 18:45.40 | donny_baker | Jeff2501: Redirected [[CVS]] to your page [[BZFlag CVS]] on the wiki |
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| 18:47.39 | [darek] | ts ;) |
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| 19:01.45 | Manu | welcome [darek] :) |
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| 19:02.00 | [darek] | thanks Manu :) |
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| 19:06.26 | [darek] | about that wiki CVS |
| 19:06.36 | [darek] | Command Line users of the command line tool should add -R TAG |
| 19:06.45 | [darek] | I think it should be small 'r' |
| 19:07.45 | tupone_laptop | yep, at least I use that way |
| 19:08.07 | [darek] | then someone should correct it on wiki |
| 19:08.11 | donny_baker | [darek]: go ahead and change it, that is the beauty of it |
| 19:08.21 | Erroneous | yup, it should be |
| 19:08.23 | [darek] | ok ;) |
| 19:08.24 | donny_baker | a wiki is something anyone can edit |
| 19:08.31 | Erroneous | and welcome |
| 19:08.41 | donny_baker | hehe |
| 19:08.58 | [darek] | Erroneous: thanks :) |
| 19:10.26 | [darek] | what is your target hardware for new bzflag ? |
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| 19:11.42 | tupone_laptop | hehe, that is a good question |
| 19:11.48 | Erroneous | a lot of people with older machines play bzflag, so we like to keep the requirements pretty low |
| 19:12.15 | ts | If possible even intel graphics should work (with very low detail) |
| 19:12.21 | Erroneous | and we like to continue running on irix, which puts a few restrictions on the kinds of capabilities we can require |
| 19:12.49 | [darek] | I see |
| 19:12.51 | Erroneous | as far as optional capabilities, I suppose anything goes :) |
| 19:13.03 | [darek] | then maybe it should be still per vertex lighted ? |
| 19:13.23 | tupone_laptop | or conditionally |
| 19:13.36 | Erroneous | yeah, there are a lot of things that we should be able to do "fast or nice" |
| 19:13.42 | Manu | [darek]: have you tried bzflag? |
| 19:13.55 | Erroneous | we are not afraid of having options |
| 19:13.56 | [darek] | Manu: yes I have it |
| 19:14.11 | ts | Erroneous: Hehe, who would be? ;) |
| 19:14.18 | Manu | [darek]: you can see you can enable/disable some features in the configuration menu |
| 19:14.21 | Erroneous | ts: GNOME :P |
| 19:14.36 | Manu | [darek]: this is good for old hardware |
| 19:14.43 | [darek] | Manu: yes I saw |
| 19:14.59 | ts | Erroneous: I don't know GNOME |
| 19:15.04 | tupone_laptop | I don't want option, I want it just to work :) That is for the window manager |
| 19:15.11 | [darek] | but for example I heard that you tesselate geometry for better per-vertex lighting in realtime |
| 19:15.21 | tupone_laptop | just the option I need :) |
| 19:15.21 | [darek] | CS han no realtime tesselation |
| 19:15.49 | [darek] | then better is to make more vertices on geometry |
| 19:15.58 | Erroneous | [darek]: ahh. we do indeed, iirc. |
| 19:16.02 | [darek] | and for per-pixel-lighting it's not a problem |
| 19:16.34 | [darek] | han=has |
| 19:16.35 | tupone_laptop | I think for low hardware we can use no light, or just per vertex, and go to ppl for high end |
| 19:16.46 | Erroneous | [darek]: it's probably also acceptable to sacrifice quality on low-end machines for the sake of programming expediency |
| 19:16.52 | [darek] | hmm true |
| 19:16.57 | ts | yes, off, fast and best in menu |
| 19:17.01 | Erroneous | we don't care THAT much about those people :) |
| 19:17.23 | [darek] | also in CS for old hardware you can just precalculate lightmaps for quality |
| 19:17.28 | [darek] | but it will eb static then |
| 19:17.31 | [darek] | be* |
| 19:17.49 | tupone_laptop | we have no, I mean 0, static light |
| 19:17.50 | ts | or tanks have shadows |
| 19:18.04 | ts | and the sun walks all the time over the horizon |
| 19:18.06 | tupone_laptop | we have sun and shot |
| 19:18.19 | [darek] | ok |
| 19:18.22 | tupone_laptop | and sun move |
| 19:18.30 | Erroneous | sun is updated infrequently...5min iirc |
| 19:18.41 | ts | tupone_laptop: move, walk, bleh there is no difference for me :p |
| 19:19.00 | tupone_laptop | ts I did not read yours |
| 19:19.00 | ts | For me a sun does walk, not move |
| 19:19.08 | [darek] | well then per vertex lighted wall with only 4 vertices isn't that bad ;) |
| 19:19.15 | Bz_Win | it revolves around the earth here |
| 19:19.18 | tupone_laptop | I just know that febo is carrying the sun with his horses |
| 19:19.22 | Erroneous | hehe |
| 19:21.29 | ts | no, a sun does have feet :p |
| 19:22.05 | [darek] | i'll add then sun shader to renderloop |
| 19:22.17 | Erroneous | yup, it has around 4,593,600,000 feet :P |
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| 19:31.57 | Bz_Win | zomg hi AHA |
| 19:32.10 | A_Heart_Attack | hey blast007 and Bz_Win |
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| 19:58.10 | [darek] | ok got it compiled, works fine :) |
| 19:58.48 | [darek] | can I play without any players and bots ? they kicking my ass and I can't check it properly ;) |
| 19:59.00 | tupone_laptop | lol |
| 19:59.03 | tupone_laptop | yeap |
| 19:59.13 | ts | -solo #bots |
| 19:59.26 | [darek] | I tried this |
| 19:59.27 | ts | and run your own server |
| 19:59.29 | tupone_laptop | what is better, with that client is to open a window and run bzfs |
| 19:59.34 | [darek] | ah own server! |
| 19:59.36 | [darek] | I get it |
| 19:59.49 | ts | they kick for people with bots often |
| 20:00.01 | ts | even ban if you come too much |
| 20:00.24 | ts | There is a start server menu in the same menu you can select join server |
| 20:00.45 | tupone_laptop | if you are able to see it |
| 20:00.55 | ts | Is not best way to start a server but if there are no security concerns, then it's ok |
| 20:00.56 | tupone_laptop | we should fix some font problem there |
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| 20:01.42 | [darek] | tupone_laptop: I think better just make CEGUI |
| 20:01.56 | tupone_laptop | yeah, but I would like to do after |
| 20:02.02 | Manu | ts it's -solo=#bots iirc |
| 20:02.16 | tupone_laptop | unless for you is very very simple |
| 20:03.34 | narod | ü |
| 20:03.39 | brad | Manu: -solo # ;) |
| 20:04.00 | Manu | brad: yep :/ |
| 20:04.08 | tupone_laptop | with = |
| 20:04.20 | tupone_laptop | it is the new way in cs |
| 20:04.22 | brad | with? |
| 20:04.25 | brad | oh |
| 20:04.28 | Manu | I have to use = in CS ;) |
| 20:04.36 | Manu | brad: so I was right ;) |
| 20:04.48 | ts | Manu: I have an excuse :p |
| 20:04.55 | Manu | np :p |
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| 20:07.40 | bz32 | hello |
| 20:07.49 | bz32 | i m french |
| 20:07.57 | donny_baker | salut |
| 20:08.20 | bz32 | who s speak french |
| 20:08.42 | JeffM2501 | our primary language here is english. |
| 20:09.05 | bz32 | salut donny |
| 20:09.09 | tupone_laptop | but if you ask maybe we can understand. Speak simple |
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| 20:09.54 | bz32 | im beging on bsflag |
| 20:10.32 | bz32 | and i lag very |
| 20:10.43 | bz32 | why? |
| 20:10.44 | JeffM2501 | how far away is the server that you play on? |
| 20:11.01 | JeffM2501 | a server in the USA will be more lag then a server in europe. |
| 20:11.26 | Erroneous | what kind of internet connection are you using? satellite is very laggy, dialup is laggy also |
| 20:12.03 | Birdie | and how much do you lag? and do you down or upload during your playing? |
| 20:12.06 | bz32 | i m use wanadoo 8mb |
| 20:12.08 | brad | try a french server - manzana.tuxfamily.net:5154 ;) |
| 20:12.25 | brad | it might even be the server that was laggy |
| 20:12.43 | brad | or a poor route to it |
| 20:13.25 | bz32 | thank for answer |
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| 20:45.33 | [darek] | tupone_laptop: where did you disable lighting ? |
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| 20:45.40 | tupone_laptop | on the xml |
| 20:45.44 | tupone_laptop | world |
| 20:46.01 | [darek] | ok |
| 20:48.18 | brlcad | JeffM2501: oh yeah, added a few more project ideas as well if you care to sanity check them |
| 20:48.26 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 20:49.03 | JeffM2501 | gotta get some bugs closed then I shall |
| 20:49.18 | tupone_laptop | [darek], can I use different material on the same genmesh? |
| 20:50.07 | [darek] | tupone_laptop: yes, using submeshes |
| 20:50.25 | [darek] | tupone_laptop: but I can say it's not human-editable |
| 20:50.36 | [darek] | only exporting from blender |
| 20:50.54 | L4m3r | hm, ya know, I had planned on learning about IRC protocol Eventually (tm)... |
| 20:51.06 | tupone_laptop | so if I want to make a box with 2 texture, one for side, and one for top/bottom |
| 20:51.10 | JeffM2501 | it's not too bad L4m3r |
| 20:51.35 | JeffM2501 | I was able to muddle out the basics for libIRC in like a night |
| 20:51.53 | [darek] | tupone_laptop: then make it in blender - assign materials to choosed faces and export by b2cs |
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| 20:52.18 | tupone_laptop | I have to learn blender |
| 20:52.34 | Bz_Win | blender is great |
| 20:52.47 | L4m3r | yes, if you're a mapper it's worth the invested time |
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| 20:53.15 | TD-Linux | blender is always buggy for me, but otherwise it's good. |
| 20:53.16 | CBG | Wings is just so much easier, imho, and I'm not aware of any major features it lacks compared to blender. |
| 20:53.23 | tupone_laptop | I'm not a mapper :/ |
| 20:53.34 | L4m3r | CBG: bzwtools ;) |
| 20:53.42 | CBG | L4m3r: which is? |
| 20:53.45 | JeffM2501 | CBG, an API that lets you define in application objects and interfaces ;) |
| 20:53.47 | [darek] | tupone_laptop: well for box you can edit it by hand in xml, but with complicated models it's impossible to set every face of say 10 000 ;) |
| 20:53.58 | TD-Linux | CBG: single faces, and non-solid objects |
| 20:54.19 | TD-Linux | Wings3D won't let you do things like single floating faces |
| 20:54.24 | [darek] | tupone_laptop: then learnign blender is only way then for multiple materials |
| 20:54.24 | CBG | JeffM2501: see, ya just lost me right there. Your average bz mapper isn't gonna have a clue what you're on about and just wants some non-standard shapes... |
| 20:54.24 | tupone_laptop | well, I don't think I need for now I just need to code it |
| 20:54.27 | JeffM2501 | but he's also talking about CS, it has a blender plugin, IIRC it dosn't have a wings one, he's not talking about making a bzflag map |
| 20:54.39 | L4m3r | CBG: teppic's plug-in for blender that provides one-step editing |
| 20:54.47 | JeffM2501 | CBG, exactly, cus they can't make a full map in wings, cus it can't do interfaces, for stuff like teleporters. |
| 20:54.50 | TD-Linux | and no widget grabber arrow things in wings3d :( |
| 20:54.56 | CBG | "one-stop editing"? You can export from wings to bzw... |
| 20:54.58 | L4m3r | supports all bzw primitives too iirc |
| 20:55.09 | JeffM2501 | CBG, but wings can't do all the bzw stuf |
| 20:55.18 | TD-Linux | no bases, teleporters, flagzones, etc etc |
| 20:55.22 | JeffM2501 | no physics drivers, no links, no etc... |
| 20:55.29 | JeffM2501 | a map is more then geometry. |
| 20:55.43 | tupone_laptop | ok, for now I go with only one material and see if I can build bzflag boxes |
| 20:55.57 | CBG | TextEdit... |
| 20:55.59 | CBG | But if Blender can do that, power to it man. |
| 20:56.06 | JeffM2501 | blender can, that's the point |
| 20:56.10 | JeffM2501 | but it is hard |
| 20:56.11 | CBG | The learning curve is just way WAY steeper than Wings, imho, and that's much too steep for me to bother with it. |
| 20:56.32 | TD-Linux | the F12 key in blender pwns the F12 key in BZFlag :) |
| 20:56.33 | JeffM2501 | if somone does the map editor for SoC, then wings will be it's perfect companion for mesh editing. |
| 20:56.54 | JeffM2501 | but wings is not the same as blender for bzw editing, it can do more, right now. |
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| 20:57.10 | CBG | I guess I'm just not interested in having some other app generate basic bzw code for me, since I learnt the "language" anyway. |
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| 20:57.41 | JeffM2501 | CBG, animated textures, world weapons, are not "basic" :) |
| 20:58.44 | CBG | JeffM2501: basic as in non-mesh |
| 20:58.55 | CBG | basic as in stuff I hand code in TextEdit. |
| 20:59.19 | JeffM2501 | the average user can't |
| 20:59.21 | CBG | by animated textures you mean texturematrices, right? not this new fangled drawinfo stuff? |
| 20:59.48 | CBG | JeffM2501: so, the average user would be more inclined to try blender - whether they are willing to stick with it or not is another matter. |
| 21:00.06 | CBG | A lot of mappers are still using [i/py]bzedit. o.O |
| 21:00.14 | TD-Linux | When I was copying stuff from the man page to the wiki, the mesh definitions had all the new drawinfo stuff in them :) It's really quite simple, and also lets you have rotating stuff. |
| 21:00.22 | JeffM2501 | the problem is the average user, can't use blender ether ;) |
| 21:00.33 | CBG | JeffM2501: yeah :) |
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| 21:01.10 | TD-Linux | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Mesh |
| 21:01.22 | TD-Linux | the weird thing is you can make spheres too... I really neeed to experiment with that |
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| 21:09.45 | Bz_Win | Drawinfo made me pull out 1.2 my hair |
| 21:09.50 | Bz_Win | 1/2, evem |
| 21:11.35 | TD-Linux | Bz_Win: did you figure out out eventually? |
| 21:11.42 | TD-Linux | is the wiki half-correct? |
| 21:11.54 | CBG | delusional has it working... :) |
| 21:13.11 | JeffM2501 | drawinfo is note finished IMHO |
| 21:13.29 | Bz_Win | Is this game ever finished? :) |
| 21:13.39 | JeffM2501 | depends what you mean by finished |
| 21:13.41 | CBG | when it's done. |
| 21:13.41 | JeffM2501 | it has no plan |
| 21:13.44 | JeffM2501 | so it's always finished |
| 21:14.05 | JeffM2501 | it just dosn't have a very clean feature definition ;) |
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| 21:16.45 | SpazzyMcGee | A_Delusion and I have been looking at the drawinfo stuff recently too. |
| 21:17.14 | SpazzyMcGee | It's a shame trepan hasn't left much apart from his examples. |
| 21:18.33 | JeffM2501 | that's why I say it's not done |
| 21:18.45 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure he had stuff to commit, and document before he left |
| 21:19.00 | JeffM2501 | he did an adiquite job docing the other stuff he did |
| 21:19.03 | JeffM2501 | this one he didn't |
| 21:19.17 | Bz_Win | Where did he go> |
| 21:19.24 | CBG | Venus... |
| 21:19.27 | JeffM2501 | nowhere |
| 21:19.34 | JeffM2501 | he's just not active in bz |
| 21:19.36 | delusional | I saw him on hepcat last week |
| 21:19.40 | JeffM2501 | hasn't been for a very long time. |
| 21:19.45 | JeffM2501 | at least as a dev |
| 21:19.48 | L4m3r | he's working on TA spring now too |
| 21:20.09 | JeffM2501 | yuo |
| 21:20.11 | JeffM2501 | yup |
| 21:22.11 | delusional | TA spring? |
| 21:22.46 | JeffM2501 | Total Anihilation clone |
| 21:22.48 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03darekdawidowski 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/data/ (plain_nor.png renderloop.hi.xml world): added plain normalmap texture, renderloop, changed sky and tank material shaders. |
| 21:23.11 | [darek] | tupone_laptop: its partially done |
| 21:23.26 | [darek] | only walls and ground arent chanegd |
| 21:23.38 | tupone_laptop | good |
| 21:23.39 | [darek] | because it needs to be genmesh |
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| 21:24.05 | tupone_laptop | I'm trying to do hardtransform. Need to clone before ? |
| 21:24.08 | [darek] | throw away any thingmesh, it's dedicated only to quake-like interriors |
| 21:24.26 | [darek] | no |
| 21:24.49 | JeffM2501 | how does cs store the objects inside a sector? |
| 21:24.56 | JeffM2501 | flat? or in some kinda tree? |
| 21:25.16 | tupone_laptop | how do I conserve both? I read that genmesh hardtrasform has to be applied to factory, not object |
| 21:25.20 | [darek] | I bet very advanced tree, but I don't know too much about CS core |
| 21:26.08 | [darek] | tupone_laptop: both ? |
| 21:26.15 | JeffM2501 | is there any support for adding your own scenegraph? |
| 21:26.25 | [darek] | tupone_laptop: means factory and object ? |
| 21:26.38 | tupone_laptop | new factory and old factory |
| 21:26.54 | tupone_laptop | I think I need a factory for any box, that are all different |
| 21:27.02 | tupone_laptop | if they are genmesh |
| 21:27.20 | [darek] | JeffM2501: well depends, everyhting is plugginable, engine is plugins only too |
| 21:27.28 | JeffM2501 | coo |
| 21:27.29 | [darek] | then - yes ;) |
| 21:27.34 | [darek] | but not easy |
| 21:27.39 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 21:27.40 | JeffM2501 | :( |
| 21:28.11 | JeffM2501 | in your experience how do you think CS compares to Oger, if you woudn't mind me asking? |
| 21:28.31 | [darek] | in bzflag point of view not much |
| 21:28.38 | [darek] | becaus eyou making a lot of own stuff |
| 21:28.46 | [darek] | CS is just much wider |
| 21:28.53 | [darek] | has more tready things than ogre |
| 21:29.01 | [darek] | ready* |
| 21:29.11 | JeffM2501 | net, sound, input, etc?? |
| 21:29.17 | [darek] | yes |
| 21:29.22 | tupone_laptop | not net |
| 21:29.28 | JeffM2501 | seems like CS wants to bet like Torque in the end |
| 21:29.30 | [darek] | tupone_laptop: it has |
| 21:29.31 | JeffM2501 | with the CEL and the like |
| 21:29.35 | [darek] | CS+CEL |
| 21:29.43 | [darek] | tupone_laptop: CEL has network support |
| 21:29.48 | tupone_laptop | ok, I know |
| 21:29.55 | tupone_laptop | just not CS alone |
| 21:30.01 | [darek] | yes |
| 21:32.19 | [darek] | it can' be there |
| 21:32.23 | [darek] | mean networking in CS |
| 21:32.35 | [darek] | it's related to entities in the world |
| 21:32.42 | [darek] | and CEL is entity manager |
| 21:32.47 | [darek] | and game logic manager |
| 21:33.10 | tupone_laptop | yeah I get that, actually we cannot use CEL network, as the game will become incompatible |
| 21:33.38 | [darek] | yes it's bad idea to use CEl, because you need to make everything from a scratch |
| 21:35.09 | [darek] | you got ready game logic |
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| 21:35.17 | [darek] | tupone_laptop: now sky has procedural shader it generating sun look and haze |
| 21:35.38 | [darek] | and tank cast shadow only on byself |
| 21:35.38 | tupone_laptop | FPS dropped to 100 :) |
| 21:35.41 | [darek] | and other tanks |
| 21:35.49 | [darek] | not on ground |
| 21:36.12 | [darek] | thats really terrible, only 100 ? :D |
| 21:36.25 | tupone_laptop | the world is empty |
| 21:36.28 | JeffM2501 | for what? 1000 triangles? |
| 21:36.31 | tupone_laptop | we will see later |
| 21:36.40 | [darek] | shadows are very power consuming, for example i'm not using it in my games |
| 21:36.48 | JeffM2501 | what card you have tupone_laptop ? |
| 21:36.54 | tupone_laptop | FX5200 |
| 21:37.06 | JeffM2501 | not to horible |
| 21:37.13 | tupone_laptop | maybe the textproc is killing it |
| 21:37.46 | tupone_laptop | but for now is ok, I have to see the performance when there are a lot of building |
| 21:37.54 | [darek] | no, shadows killing it |
| 21:38.00 | tupone_laptop | It was about 500 before |
| 21:38.34 | tupone_laptop | ok, we have an option for shadow, maybe later we will put it on use |
| 21:38.35 | JeffM2501 | shadow volumes can be slowish |
| 21:38.58 | JeffM2501 | tupone_laptop, if CS is doing real shadow volumes, it's going to be much more intesive then our shadows |
| 21:39.01 | tupone_laptop | [darek], if you want to look, enter as observer in the first world |
| 21:39.07 | JeffM2501 | ours are a simple plane pojection. |
| 21:39.28 | [darek] | it's not volumes, but stencil |
| 21:39.30 | JeffM2501 | a shadow from our stuff only falls on the ground, not other objects. |
| 21:40.20 | [darek] | tupone_laptop: I'm observer somewhere already |
| 21:40.36 | tupone_laptop | Manu are you testing this stuff? |
| 21:40.49 | [darek] | this shadows are casted everywhere oven on byself mesh |
| 21:41.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah, they will be more computationaliy intesive then ours. |
| 21:41.58 | JeffM2501 | we may realy want to look into lightmaps, and leting the map set a fixed sun. |
| 21:42.09 | JeffM2501 | them'd be some cheap shadows |
| 21:42.26 | [darek] | I suggest 3 levels of details 'hi' shadows and per pixel lighting 'mid' only per pixel lighting 'lo' per vertex |
| 21:42.46 | JeffM2501 | our "low" would be off ;) |
| 21:43.06 | JeffM2501 | we still have people on riva 128's and TnTs |
| 21:43.59 | [darek] | :) |
| 21:44.25 | [darek] | well my celeron 400 with gf3 is still in use |
| 21:44.45 | JeffM2501 | we would consider that a "good" machine |
| 21:45.04 | [darek] | and here it's gf 6150 it's onboard gfx card |
| 21:46.36 | tupone_laptop | [darek], terrain and wall are not actually referenced in the game, so you can change to genmesh if you think is better |
| 21:46.53 | tupone_laptop | wall will be later on, but not now |
| 21:47.04 | [darek] | ok |
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| 22:24.45 | Manu | tupone_laptop: no, I can't now |
| 22:25.22 | tupone_laptop | :) |
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| 22:36.31 | Bz_Win | zomg hi met! |
| 22:36.34 | Bz_Win | ~lart met |
| 22:40.47 | a_meteorite | hi |
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| 23:27.35 | Constitution | ~karma ibot |
| 23:27.35 | ibot | ibot has karma of 19 |
| 23:29.06 | Bz_Win | ~karma BZ_Win |
| 23:29.06 | ibot | bz_win has neutral karma |
| 23:29.26 | Constitution | ~ibot++ |
| 23:29.51 | JBdiGriz | OT: If you are interested in Space Exploration Technologies, launch is in about 15 minutes. http://www.spacex.com/webcast.php |
| 23:32.45 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, think I should move the hud markers from playground into HEAD? |
| 23:33.04 | Bz_Win | ~lart Jeffm2501 |
| 23:33.13 | a_meteorite | ~moo |
| 23:33.15 | ibot | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ and http://www.riddleme.com/html/cow2.html |
| 23:33.17 | JeffM2501 | umm ok..... |
| 23:34.20 | L4m3r | missed a verse in the middle there |
| 23:34.29 | L4m3r | er, not a verse, but a line |
| 23:34.57 | L4m3r | "I am cow / Hear me moo / I weigh twice as much as you / and I look good on the barbecuuuuuuuue!" |
| 23:35.13 | L4m3r | it's on ytmnd someplace |
| 23:36.12 | *** join/#bzflag tankzilla (n=tankzill@ool-4572e362.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 23:36.14 | Bz_Win | Jeff: am I ever? :D |
| 23:36.26 | tankzilla | ~lart bz_win |
| 23:36.32 | JeffM2501 | I do not know, I would not claim to be privy to your thoughts |
| 23:38.10 | Bz_Win | ~lart Jeffm2501 |
| 23:38.18 | *** kick/#bzflag [Bz_Win!n=JeffM@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501] by JeffM2501 (JeffM2501) |
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| 23:38.44 | JeffM2501 | just cus ya know. |
| 23:38.56 | tankzilla | ~insult lego |
| 23:39.11 | Bz_Win | TZ: I think we should all stop the bot abuse :) |
| 23:39.13 | Legoguy | ... |
| 23:39.13 | JeffM2501 | perhaps you should take it botpark all of oyu? |
| 23:39.16 | tankzilla | :) |
| 23:39.26 | tankzilla | botpark? |
| 23:39.29 | Bz_Win | ooh |
| 23:39.31 | blast007 | ~botpark |
| 23:39.32 | ibot | #BotPark is a channel for testing and talking to irc bots. Please do not talk to the bots too much in normal channels. You may msg them or talk in #BotPark |
| 23:39.32 | Bz_Win | Im there |
| 23:39.32 | JeffM2501 | #botpartk |
| 23:39.41 | tankzilla | what's the point of having it if you hate using it? |
| 23:39.56 | blast007 | we use them for constructive purposes |
| 23:40.03 | tankzilla | such as? |
| 23:40.11 | JeffM2501 | ibot cvs |
| 23:40.13 | ibot | rumour has it, cvs is concurrent versions systems. more info here http://www.cvshome.org/. |
| 23:40.20 | JeffM2501 | storinf factoids and commonly used links |
| 23:40.31 | blast007 | to DNS lookups, checking if a bzflag server is responding, factoids |
| 23:40.32 | JeffM2501 | and RSS feeds |
| 23:40.36 | JeffM2501 | indded |
| 23:40.37 | *** join/#bzflag spldart (n=troublem@cpe-24-28-107-184.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 23:40.43 | tankzilla | you don't have RSS feeds in your browser? |
| 23:40.52 | JeffM2501 | it can announce here when it changes |
| 23:40.56 | JeffM2501 | like CIA does |
| 23:41.01 | CBG | tankzilla: you don't have a brain in your head?! |
| 23:41.12 | JeffM2501 | CBG, be nice. |
| 23:41.19 | JeffM2501 | or be mean in private ;) |
| 23:41.19 | tankzilla | wow. you're cool.. |
| 23:41.34 | Bz_Win | So, I can lart jeff in private? :p |
| 23:41.38 | tankzilla | lol |
| 23:41.43 | JeffM2501 | tankzilla, we assume our users are mature enough to not abbuse the bots other features, that other channels may use |
| 23:41.48 | JeffM2501 | Bz_Win, as much as you want. |
| 23:42.03 | JeffM2501 | the bot is not "ours" |
| 23:42.05 | tankzilla | well, this room doesn't look fun.. |
| 23:42.21 | JeffM2501 | in general it is a support and development channel |
| 23:42.21 | CBG | s/room/channel/ |
| 23:42.41 | JeffM2501 | #bzchat is more for the fun player chit chat |
| 23:43.01 | CBG | and #botpark is for the bot abuse |
| 23:43.09 | JeffM2501 | if that is your goal, yes |
| 23:45.46 | spldart | Everytime I see that username I still think.... "TankZilla the crowd Thrilla!" after that redneck car demolition show :-x |
| 23:46.06 | spldart | ;-) |
| 23:46.09 | tankzilla | hmm? |
| 23:46.15 | Bz_Win | tz the redneck |
| 23:46.23 | tankzilla | redneck the redneck |
| 23:46.28 | tankzilla | did you know he was from uk win? |
| 23:46.49 | spldart | I mentioned it before on a map we were playing on... you ":-)" me |
| 23:47.00 | tupone_laptop | http://my.bzflag.org/w/CrystalSpace_client |
| 23:47.20 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: that's a dangerous assumption |
| 23:47.26 | tankzilla | why does that image look so old? |
| 23:47.37 | JeffM2501 | what is? |
| 23:47.40 | Bz_Win | TZ: read the page |
| 23:47.47 | JeffM2501 | tupone_laptop, cool, geting there slowly |
| 23:47.54 | JeffM2501 | I like the shine in the tanks. |
| 23:47.57 | purple_cow | that users are mature |
| 23:48.01 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 23:48.12 | tupone_laptop | hehe, very slowly, but the mapping on the wall is bad |
| 23:48.16 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, so you gonna mentor with us? :) |
| 23:48.16 | tankzilla | mmhm |
| 23:48.32 | JeffM2501 | tupone_laptop, that generated from code? or a loaded model? |
| 23:48.49 | purple_cow | maybe |
| 23:48.51 | tupone_laptop | the tank are remade from your model, in genmesh |
| 23:48.57 | purple_cow | I'm a little disenchanted with the whole SoC program |
| 23:48.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah, I mean the boxes |
| 23:49.17 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, that just means you need to be more drunk |
| 23:49.25 | tupone_laptop | the wall, I used the genmesh, and u,v but that depends on the dimension, so is not good |
| 23:49.39 | JeffM2501 | yeah, we'll have to generate those meshes in code |
| 23:49.41 | tupone_laptop | maybe I have to remove u,v |
| 23:49.49 | JeffM2501 | I have C code that shows how to make them |
| 23:49.56 | JeffM2501 | and docs that describe how our boxes are made |
| 23:50.00 | tupone_laptop | you can do yourself :) |
| 23:50.02 | tupone_laptop | please |
| 23:50.03 | JeffM2501 | and what the UVs are for the size |
| 23:50.09 | JeffM2501 | I can't find my way around it |
| 23:50.11 | JeffM2501 | I've tried |
| 23:50.14 | JeffM2501 | a lot |
| 23:50.18 | JeffM2501 | I just can't get the CS API |
| 23:50.18 | tupone_laptop | I did 0,0 1,1 |
| 23:50.24 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:50.27 | tupone_laptop | you can see the code, the one I changed |
| 23:50.28 | JeffM2501 | I mean the real ones we use now :) |
| 23:50.35 | JeffM2501 | what file? |
| 23:50.42 | tupone_laptop | SceneBuilder.cxx |
| 23:50.55 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: I'm also very concerned that a "world editor" is one of the projects |
| 23:51.11 | JeffM2501 | blender ain't cutin it |
| 23:51.12 | tupone_laptop | I left that way, because I'm leaving pretty soon for my bed |
| 23:51.28 | JeffM2501 | see ya tupy, good work |
| 23:51.32 | tupone_laptop | cu |
| 23:51.34 | purple_cow | that's just because noone is working on it =P |
| 23:51.39 | [darek] | hmm |
| 23:51.39 | purple_cow | bzedit ain't cutin it either |
| 23:51.44 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 23:51.48 | [darek] | looks strange |
| 23:51.51 | JeffM2501 | feel free to add to the ideas list |
| 23:51.59 | JeffM2501 | blender ui improvements would help I'm sure |
| 23:52.06 | JeffM2501 | but blender itself is an interface beast |
| 23:53.01 | purple_cow | just, it seems like a huge project, and unless you get someone spectacular, it's unlikely to be a successful project |
| 23:53.07 | purple_cow | blender or no |
| 23:53.15 | JeffM2501 | that is something to consider yes. |
| 23:53.22 | JeffM2501 | depends on the scope of what they are trying todo |
| 23:53.40 | JeffM2501 | make a mesh editor, that's out of the question, but a layout tool, maybe not |
| 23:54.20 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (SceneBuilder.cxx SceneBuilder.h): Not very proud, but here are some building |
| 23:56.01 | [darek] | I think he trying to use a couple of uv-coordinates per one vertex |
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| 23:56.13 | JeffM2501 | I'll take a look at it |
| 23:56.15 | [darek] | thaths not possible because of performance reasons |
| 23:56.28 | JeffM2501 | it take a meshbuffer or something? |
| 23:57.07 | [darek] | yes, thingmesh has multiple uv's |
| 23:57.12 | JeffM2501 | yeah for vert buffers you split the verts, each one with there own set of data per index |
| 23:57.14 | [darek] | but best solution is |
| 23:57.18 | [darek] | yes |
| 23:57.27 | [darek] | exactly |
| 23:57.31 | [darek] | that I wanted to say |
| 23:57.33 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:57.39 | JeffM2501 | it's a common concept ;) |
| 23:57.48 | [darek] | :) |
| 23:58.02 | JeffM2501 | he tries hard, but I don't think he has a lot of experience in graphic systems. |