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| 00:10.06 | ryanakca | how do I make a map on linux? |
| 00:10.25 | ryanakca | there's no ./configure in bzedit (from cvs), even though INSTALL says there should be |
| 00:11.03 | brad | bzedit is windows only |
| 00:11.57 | brad | http://my.bzflag.org/wiki/index.php/BZFed |
| 00:12.10 | JeffM2501 | brad, not rue :) |
| 00:12.17 | JeffM2501 | there is a windows bzedit |
| 00:12.18 | JeffM2501 | in CVS |
| 00:12.21 | JeffM2501 | but it won't build |
| 00:12.23 | JeffM2501 | it's way old |
| 00:12.36 | JeffM2501 | ryanakca, your basicly stuck with blender |
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| 00:12.46 | brad | huh? |
| 00:13.02 | JeffM2501 | bzedit was first made on linux |
| 00:13.18 | JeffM2501 | and is still in CVS |
| 00:13.20 | JeffM2501 | as bzedit |
| 00:13.32 | JeffM2501 | the one your thinking of is BZEditW32 |
| 00:13.42 | JeffM2501 | the windows version |
| 00:13.47 | JeffM2501 | that was updated more often |
| 00:13.58 | ryanakca | s/gound/found |
| 00:14.04 | ryanakca | JeffM2501: ick... |
| 00:14.18 | JeffM2501 | yeah the linux bzedit hasn't been updated lin like 5 years |
| 00:14.31 | JeffM2501 | bzfed is a rework of it that was done later |
| 00:14.39 | JeffM2501 | but still hasn't been updated in years |
| 00:14.58 | JeffM2501 | none of the editors other then the bzwtools for blender support all the map features of 2.0 |
| 00:15.49 | JeffM2501 | we have some submisions for the Google Summer of Code to write us a new editor |
| 00:16.00 | JeffM2501 | it may run in wine |
| 00:16.15 | ryanakca | Activity Percentile (last week) : 69.82 (for bzfed |
| 00:16.24 | JeffM2501 | realy? |
| 00:16.30 | JeffM2501 | when was the last commit for it? |
| 00:16.44 | JeffM2501 | we don't maintain that project, it's just some guy's |
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| 00:17.57 | ryanakca | must just be website activity... last commit was 2 years ago (2005) |
| 00:18.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:29.16 | JeffM2501 | still no mater what it's just boxes and pyramids |
| 00:29.44 | JeffM2501 | you can't change textures or use meshes |
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| 00:42.05 | ryanakca | wine: Unhandled page fault on read access to 0x00000000 at address 0xf7d1633d (thread 0009), starting debugger... |
| 00:42.05 | ryanakca | Unhandled exception: page fault on read access to 0x00000000 in 32-bit code (0xf7d1633d). |
| 00:42.17 | ryanakca | JeffM2501: ^^ when running BZEdit32 in wine |
| 00:42.31 | ryanakca | probably because it's BZEdit32 and not BZEdit64... |
| 00:45.46 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 00:45.55 | JeffM2501 | its cus its mfc |
| 00:47.55 | ryanakca | mfc? |
| 01:03.35 | ryanakca | JeffM2501: just tried bzedit32 on my mom's win comp... not the greatest |
| 01:03.50 | JeffM2501 | no its not |
| 01:03.59 | JeffM2501 | as I said they are old |
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| 01:30.56 | tupone_laptop | http://my.bzflag.org/w/CrystalSpace_client |
| 01:30.59 | tupone_laptop | :) |
| 01:32.28 | CBG | ~tupone++ |
| 01:32.51 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Time for bases |
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| 04:23.19 | jude | pretty quite for a Saturday night ;) |
| 04:23.29 | Joss | true |
| 04:23.41 | L4m3r | some people have lives apparently :\ |
| 04:23.50 | jude | life? what's that? |
| 04:24.01 | L4m3r | this place is quiet as death |
| 04:24.10 | L4m3r | everyone has vacated the dorms for spring break |
| 04:24.21 | Epyon | life is that thing that happens between RFE's and Bug Reports. |
| 04:24.35 | jude | I thought that was development time |
| 04:24.51 | jude | L4m3r: its spring break for you? |
| 04:25.06 | Epyon | development time is what happens between your leave for the bar, and the hangover the night after ;] |
| 04:25.35 | L4m3r | jude: yup |
| 04:26.07 | jude | awww...mine was last week :/ |
| 04:26.34 | L4m3r | don't feel too bad, I'm gonna be working 40~45 hours or so |
| 04:27.09 | jude | ...but all the rest of your time can be spent developing, and not doing homework! |
| 04:27.26 | jude | hehe...I conveniently forgot to tell my boss I had a spring break ;) |
| 04:28.13 | L4m3r | I actually am working for my dad |
| 04:28.25 | L4m3r | my normal job is on campus, and we're closed for spring break |
| 04:28.42 | L4m3r | but I still gotta eat, so... lol |
| 04:29.15 | jude | this is true. |
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| 04:30.05 | jude | however, I live with my parents and commute to my university (much cheaper than living in a dorm) and they take care of food |
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| 04:31.07 | L4m3r | commuting here would be hell, even though I'm relatively close |
| 04:31.41 | L4m3r | Los Angeles traffic is infamous :P |
| 04:32.01 | L4m3r | plus, I'm not really welcome to live with either of my parents |
| 04:32.09 | jude | I'm sorry to hear that |
| 04:32.16 | L4m3r | mother dear threw me out last summer, and dad just doesn't have room |
| 04:34.52 | jude | what prompted her to do that (if you don't mind answering)? |
| 04:43.33 | jude | a-delusion: I'm not registered with freenode; I cannot communicate privately at this time |
| 04:45.07 | A-Delusion | ok |
| 04:45.15 | Rawk | jude: /msg nickserv register <your-password> |
| 04:46.06 | jude | I will be soon, tho :) |
| 04:46.38 | jude | gaah! someone's already registered my nick |
| 04:47.34 | lodxcol | and they haven't been gone for more than 60 (I think that's the limit) days so I doubt staff will drop your nick |
| 04:48.57 | Rawk | hmm, and no staff on atm :-( |
| 04:49.16 | SportChick | Rawk: what's the problem? |
| 04:49.17 | L4m3r | oh, jude, just an argument that boiled over from a few other issues |
| 04:49.51 | L4m3r | we don't get along... oh well |
| 04:49.51 | jude | I'm sorry that happened |
| 04:49.53 | lodxcol | SportChick: why aren't you on the list that's outputted when you do /stats p? |
| 04:50.08 | SportChick | lodxcol: because I'm not on duty |
| 04:50.09 | L4m3r | I'm over it. |
| 04:50.12 | lodxcol | oh ok |
| 04:50.58 | Rawk | SportChick: jude is just trying to register he/her nick |
| 04:51.00 | SportChick | jude: if you want to talk to someone privately, you can either register your nick: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup (Jude is already in use) or you can ask the person you are talking with to enable receipt of unregistered messages |
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| 04:51.41 | jude | SportChick: thanks for the advice |
| 04:51.49 | SportChick | jude: my pleasure |
| 04:52.10 | SportChick | jude: if they aren't sure how to set nicks unfiltered, have them do /msg nickserv set unfiltered on |
| 04:52.23 | jude | kk |
| 04:53.56 | lodxcol | SportChick: once you set that, will it be that way every time you login? |
| 04:55.18 | SportChick | lodxcol: yes |
| 04:55.33 | lodxcol | alright |
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| 07:50.24 | brlcad | yawn |
| 07:51.05 | lodxcol | I agree |
| 07:51.32 | a_meteorite | i feel sick :( |
| 07:51.38 | a_meteorite | *am sick |
| 07:51.55 | lodxcol | being sick is never fun |
| 07:52.16 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 07:52.38 | a_meteorite | i can't miss any school either, none of my teachers will allow make-ups and i will lose credit for not being there |
| 07:52.49 | a_meteorite | i also won't get a perfect attendance award and $5 :) |
| 07:53.46 | brlcad | I just get mild headaches from time to time, but even those don't last more than a day at most usually |
| 07:53.57 | a_meteorite | i watched star trek for the first time on cbs tonight (8pm pst), it was interesting |
| 07:54.09 | brlcad | heh, for the first time? |
| 07:54.11 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 07:54.16 | brlcad | which one? |
| 07:54.29 | a_meteorite | it's title was just plain "star trek" |
| 07:54.40 | brlcad | so the original series |
| 07:54.43 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 07:54.47 | purple_cow | fascinating |
| 07:55.53 | a_meteorite | agh, crystalspace was compiling for 5+ hours and it just failed :( |
| 07:55.59 | brlcad | hm, come to think of it, I've only been sick once in past 5 years since it was two years before the last time |
| 07:56.33 | a_meteorite | i usually don't get sick, but public school has been bringing all the germs with it |
| 07:57.22 | brlcad | i'm around lil kids quite a bit, sick coworkers, and plenty of others -- just a really hyperactive immune system I suppose |
| 07:58.32 | brlcad | i can usually "feel" when something is going on under the hood, my chi is out of whack of sorts, but rarely lasts long |
| 07:59.22 | brlcad | probably one of those sorts that would die real quick on a virulent pandemic that provokes massive immune responses, heh |
| 07:59.48 | a_meteorite | hehe |
| 07:59.50 | Manu | a_meteorite: crystalspace took only* 41 minutes in my box ;) |
| 08:00.07 | Manu | hola brlcad :) |
| 08:00.34 | a_meteorite | yeah, but I had the screensaver running. it might of hogged the cpu. |
| 08:00.37 | brlcad | buenas |
| 08:01.23 | a_meteorite | anyways, it's upsetting cs went that long and failed :( |
| 08:01.27 | a_meteorite | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.27 | a_meteorite | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.28 | a_meteorite | make: *** [all] Error 1 |
| 08:01.29 | Manu | brlcad: wow, 21 applications |
| 08:01.39 | a_meteorite | it doesn't even give any insight what failed |
| 08:02.30 | purple_cow | yes, let's all talk about how brlcad will heal himself to death |
| 08:02.43 | Manu | hehe |
| 08:03.11 | a_meteorite | don't worry, we only have lab access to bird flu |
| 08:06.24 | Manu | brlcad: oh.. you are sick!, I'm too :/ |
| 08:07.52 | lodxcol | goodnight |
| 08:12.22 | purple_cow | it's going to be a difficult process rating applications... |
| 08:13.36 | brlcad | purple_cow: yeah, I think ranking criteria are needed |
| 08:13.42 | purple_cow | although it seems like we have a number of submissions which are just CVs =P |
| 08:23.45 | Manu | brlcad: a ranking criteria or a consense |
| 08:27.53 | brlcad | Manu: with as many mentors as we have, consensus is not likely |
| 08:28.56 | brlcad | i don't want to turn this into a committee in the least, but it will be good to get a feedback from everyone on each idea and for that, criteria are sort of needed |
| 08:29.35 | brlcad | i'm thinking that negative will mean not just "undesireable" but outright "I do not want this" from the perspective of assuming we were given unlimited slots |
| 08:30.36 | brlcad | even if slots were free, a negative individual ranking would mean you didn't think that proposal should be worked on (at all, by anyone, even as a freebie) for whatever reasons |
| 08:30.41 | purple_cow | well, given that we have a lot more applicants than mentors, I think a negative rating is a kiss of death anyhow |
| 08:30.56 | brlcad | unranked for neutrality, and then that leaves just four levels of desirability |
| 08:31.45 | brlcad | wow, an insane flood of CVs |
| 08:32.24 | brlcad | you can really tell who read and took the time early on and who all is just tossing out hail-mary submissions |
| 08:34.24 | Manu | brlcad: yes, lots of curriculums vitae ;) |
| 08:35.17 | Manu | purple_cow: some submitted aren't applications really |
| 08:35.23 | Manu | and others are repeated |
| 08:36.17 | Manu | for example if there are 6 bzmap builders.. we only may select one I guess |
| 08:38.44 | Manu | brlcad: 7 is many for consensus? :) |
| 08:39.21 | brlcad | Manu: yes, imho more than 3 usually makes it rather complicated for an absolute consensus |
| 08:39.42 | Manu | wow, USA is different ;) |
| 08:40.23 | brlcad | Manu: and no -- we can select more than one |
| 08:40.24 | Manu | I guess we wont the same targets, but probably using different waus |
| 08:40.31 | brlcad | though I wouldn't like that for the bzmap builders |
| 08:40.40 | purple_cow | *I* am an agreeable man. brlcad and jeff are stout and firm in their musings |
| 08:40.42 | L4m3r | oops. I typed out my app in about an hour. :P |
| 08:40.43 | brlcad | if we're going to do more than one, it should probably be the engine work |
| 08:40.43 | Manu | brlcad: more than one? well it can be good for some cases |
| 08:41.12 | L4m3r | and that was with probably 45 minutes of breaks |
| 08:41.15 | restorer | the more I think about it, the more I realize my application probably won't be accepted :( |
| 08:41.23 | brlcad | there could be multiple editor efforts too -- i mean if they're good enough and we like them |
| 08:41.51 | Manu | restorer: a CV? |
| 08:42.05 | purple_cow | there are actually a number of good editor ones |
| 08:42.05 | brlcad | restorer: did you put your callsign? |
| 08:42.05 | restorer | Manu: an editor proposal |
| 08:42.06 | Manu | yes, for different platforms |
| 08:42.18 | restorer | brlcad: haven't submitted it yet, want to proofread it later |
| 08:42.23 | brlcad | ah |
| 08:42.34 | Manu | restorer: hurry up.. :) |
| 08:42.47 | a_meteorite | g'night all |
| 08:42.52 | Manu | nite a_meteorite |
| 08:42.58 | brlcad | restorer: fwiw, none of them are *stellar* like we have in other categories .. some really good ones, but not stellar |
| 08:43.15 | brlcad | so there's plenty of room to submit something that really shows an understanding and approach |
| 08:43.28 | brlcad | and doesn't promise the moon |
| 08:43.39 | restorer | don't know how much of the understanding you want I know |
| 08:43.43 | restorer | that came out weird |
| 08:43.51 | Manu | restorer: it's only brlcad's point of view ;) |
| 08:43.57 | purple_cow | what if I want the moon? huh? |
| 08:43.57 | Manu | brlcad: ;) |
| 08:44.02 | brlcad | an understanding of what it is your proposing, clarity of thought? :) |
| 08:44.17 | brlcad | purple_cow: I'll sell it to you |
| 08:44.28 | restorer | we'll see how it turns out, I guess |
| 08:44.34 | brlcad | $20 bucks |
| 08:44.54 | purple_cow | sweet |
| 08:44.56 | purple_cow | when can I take delivery? |
| 08:44.57 | brlcad | no refunds |
| 08:44.59 | restorer | I offer implementation experience, and usage experience on another level |
| 08:45.03 | restorer | but, |
| 08:45.52 | brlcad | restorer: focus on what you indend to actually "do" and how you intend to go about that -- experience can just be a section that makes us feel warm about being capable |
| 08:46.41 | restorer | I can clarify things, respond to comments made, after the submission deadline, right? |
| 08:46.45 | brlcad | one AI submission was from a grad student that is published in many academic journals of AI and robotics.. but he didn't actually propose anything other than sort of saying "I'd like to work on AI in BZFlag" |
| 08:46.58 | purple_cow | L4m3r: they've already given up on competing with me |
| 08:47.00 | restorer | If so, then I hope you ask me to clarify any thing that you're not sure about |
| 08:47.08 | Manu | brlcad: yes, I saw it |
| 08:47.10 | L4m3r | purple_cow: eh? |
| 08:47.35 | purple_cow | retro: non-crappy IRC clients |
| 08:47.50 | purple_cow | err |
| 08:47.56 | purple_cow | s/retro/re/ |
| 08:48.02 | purple_cow | maybe it's not so non-crappy :) |
| 08:48.25 | brlcad | restorer: yes, afaik you can still comment after closure |
| 08:48.42 | brlcad | though not one has responded to comment |
| 08:48.51 | brlcad | L4m3r: can you tell me if you get an e-mail notification |
| 08:48.54 | restorer | heh |
| 08:49.01 | L4m3r | brlcad: sure |
| 08:49.42 | Manu | brlcad: someone said there wasn't email notifications for comments |
| 08:50.57 | brlcad | LH indicated yesterday that there is supposed to be |
| 08:51.22 | brlcad | so if it's not working, that'd be a bug in their web app |
| 08:51.45 | L4m3r | oh, there it is |
| 08:51.57 | brlcad | you got something? |
| 08:52.05 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 08:52.12 | brlcad | ok, great |
| 08:52.19 | L4m3r | works fine, gives a link too |
| 08:52.23 | Manu | yes, it's good |
| 08:52.39 | L4m3r | good God |
| 08:52.49 | L4m3r | never buy from ProFlowers.com |
| 08:53.03 | Manu | hehe |
| 08:53.05 | brlcad | L4m3r: so you can still think of yours as sitting at no comments |
| 08:53.11 | L4m3r | ok |
| 08:53.26 | brlcad | and par for the course so far is that "no comments is generally a good thing" |
| 08:53.33 | L4m3r | almost exactly a month ago I had some flowers delivered to my mother for her birthday |
| 08:53.42 | brlcad | unless it's a comment saying "wow, freaking sweet" |
| 08:53.53 | L4m3r | they must've sent me a dozen emails since then, maybe 3 legitimate |
| 08:54.22 | brlcad | heh |
| 08:54.24 | L4m3r | brlcad: k. Most of it was taken from that long IRC chat between you and jeff and DTR |
| 08:54.46 | brlcad | flowers.com used to spam me, but they did eventually respect the "stop sending me crap" link |
| 08:55.48 | brlcad | i like the 'real' two-tank submitter |
| 08:55.55 | L4m3r | any deviations are either bad memory, creative license, or more thinking about implementation issues. If there's anything you'd like different, please say so :P |
| 08:55.58 | brlcad | L4m3r: yeah, I noticed :) |
| 08:57.19 | L4m3r | the whole time I was writing it, I was thinking "run our own... but that's annoying... use freenode... but that's hard... use our own... ugh" |
| 08:57.45 | brlcad | proposal-wise, I think it's fine -- it gives a good overview of the work -- it more comes down to the idea/work itself in comparison to the others |
| 08:58.23 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 08:58.39 | L4m3r | I'm not going to lie- my experience is limited. I didn't want to do something too lofty. |
| 08:59.23 | brlcad | reasonable enough, and it would potentially help get you more familiar and coding more too :) |
| 08:59.31 | L4m3r | exactly :) |
| 08:59.58 | L4m3r | I would like to be an active dev eventually (tm) |
| 09:00.12 | L4m3r | gotta start somewhere right? :) |
| 09:00.16 | brlcad | yep |
| 09:00.46 | L4m3r | I like the idea of doing GSoC mainly because it will force me to sit down and DO IT |
| 09:01.04 | brlcad | some might see it as an unfair bias, but I like your proposal for that reason alone |
| 09:01.22 | brlcad | the point of GSoC is to entice long-term open source involvmenet, new coders, etc |
| 09:01.37 | L4m3r | yeah, I'm really glad you guys are doing it for that reason |
| 09:01.43 | L4m3r | the game needs fresh blood |
| 09:01.55 | L4m3r | er... uh, eyes? |
| 09:02.11 | brlcad | mm.. no, blood works for me :) |
| 09:02.16 | L4m3r | hehe |
| 09:03.27 | brlcad | oh, there's an idea |
| 09:03.36 | brlcad | a prize for the best GSoC implementer |
| 09:04.29 | L4m3r | it's also cool to see bzflag up there with stuff like blender, gaim, debian, MoFo, eclipse, gcc, PHP, X.org... |
| 09:04.30 | brlcad | maybe $100 and a t-shirt or something |
| 09:05.18 | L4m3r | OpenOrfice.org |
| 09:05.18 | L4m3r | not a bad idea brlcad |
| 09:06.13 | L4m3r | well, the coders are already getting paid, right? maybe you should try to give something more creative |
| 09:06.19 | brlcad | L4m3r: I thought it was a pretty good mentorship application -- bz has the ability to make a broad impact and that mattered |
| 09:06.38 | brlcad | plus I talked with the GSoC administrators for several weeks leading up to the submission |
| 09:07.23 | L4m3r | someone with the skill and access to the right equipment should mill out an aluminum bztank and stick it on a plaque- GSoC trophy :) |
| 09:07.32 | brlcad | they frankly hadn't thought of some of our angles (like the AI research) and they loved the potential ideas |
| 09:08.19 | brlcad | (from a game at least) |
| 09:08.24 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 09:08.47 | L4m3r | what I've read of most of the other stuff is more maintenance related |
| 09:08.51 | brlcad | bzflag's reputation and stability stands on its own pretty much, just had to sell that we could make a broad impact |
| 09:08.54 | L4m3r | but then those are apps, not games |
| 09:09.49 | purple_cow | noone actually wants to think about maintenance on bzflag, so they just hack new features on top ;-) |
| 09:09.51 | L4m3r | I have access to the machines :\ |
| 09:10.04 | L4m3r | purple_cow: that's almost hilariously true |
| 09:10.25 | purple_cow | almost? |
| 09:10.38 | L4m3r | 100% true and almost hilarious |
| 09:10.48 | brlcad | :) |
| 09:11.37 | brlcad | which is what makes a wholesale rewrite *practically* impossible without dumping loads of little features |
| 09:12.03 | brlcad | just makes for a bitch of a constant refactoring task |
| 09:12.15 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 09:12.36 | L4m3r | if the engine is fixed, hopefully the rest can fall into place without a full rewrite though |
| 09:13.02 | brlcad | even without the engine being fixed |
| 09:13.05 | purple_cow | a full rewrite won't happen |
| 09:13.08 | brlcad | there's plenty that can be done |
| 09:13.24 | L4m3r | definitely |
| 09:13.28 | brlcad | the engine's just one (big) piece of teh puzzle |
| 09:13.47 | L4m3r | wow, KDE 4 is dropping Konq as its file manager and inserting a new one, Dolphin |
| 09:14.03 | L4m3r | (why the hell didn't they use something that starts with a k?!) |
| 09:14.46 | purple_cow | because they're growing up? |
| 09:14.52 | purple_cow | (boo hiss) |
| 09:15.01 | L4m3r | lol |
| 09:16.14 | L4m3r | don't forget g* |
| 09:16.44 | L4m3r | I wonder why they'd bother to separate the two, though. |
| 09:17.05 | L4m3r | I guess they want to add features that they don't feel like rolling into Konq |
| 09:17.28 | L4m3r | and I'm sure they're sick of people making comparisons between konq and IE |
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| 09:34.10 | ts | *yawn* |
| 09:35.44 | L4m3r | yeah, bedtime |
| 09:35.54 | ts | I just got out of bed ;) |
| 09:36.03 | L4m3r | hehe |
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| 09:36.13 | Manu | guten morgen ts |
| 09:36.31 | L4m3r | well, someone ping me in about 8 hours to wake me up |
| 09:36.34 | brlcad | CIAO tupone_laptop |
| 09:36.52 | brlcad | later L4m3r |
| 09:36.57 | tupone_laptop | good morning brlcad |
| 09:37.03 | Manu | nite L4m3r |
| 09:37.04 | L4m3r | 'night brlcad. go to bed. :P |
| 09:37.17 | brlcad | L4m3r: i already slept a couple hours, i'm good |
| 09:37.22 | L4m3r | morning manu ;) |
| 09:37.57 | tupone_laptop | brlcad, I have an update on the screenshot |
| 09:38.59 | brlcad | tupone_laptop: cool! |
| 09:39.22 | tupone_laptop | :) |
| 09:39.32 | purple_cow | link? |
| 09:39.37 | brlcad | lowish framerate for that resolution .. that software rendering? |
| 09:39.43 | tupone_laptop | http://my.bzflag.org/w/CrystalSpace_client |
| 09:40.02 | tupone_laptop | brlcad, shadow, from what [darek] said |
| 09:41.27 | Manu | tupone_laptop: my tests, 1280x1024 full screen 40-50 fps using .lo |
| 09:41.38 | tupone_laptop | ahhh good |
| 09:41.43 | Manu | 1024x760 60-70 fps with .lo |
| 09:41.44 | tupone_laptop | at least does something |
| 09:41.53 | tupone_laptop | and the sky is there now? |
| 09:42.02 | Manu | and 146-159 fps at 640x480 |
| 09:42.07 | Manu | yes |
| 09:42.23 | Manu | well.. not really the sky, (a blue color) ;) |
| 09:42.39 | Manu | no sun, but still lighthing |
| 09:42.43 | brlcad | Manu: compared to what? what's your usual at that res? |
| 09:42.58 | Manu | brlcad: I usually play at 1280x1026 |
| 09:43.07 | Manu | err 1280x1024 |
| 09:43.22 | brlcad | not what's your res |
| 09:43.24 | brlcad | what's your rate |
| 09:43.26 | brlcad | at that res |
| 09:43.27 | Manu | using .hi materials I get poor perfomances |
| 09:43.42 | Manu | my rate actually with the normal client is 120-150 fps |
| 09:44.00 | Manu | same with CS is 40-50 fps |
| 09:44.26 | Manu | tested in Viper with the server full |
| 09:44.27 | brlcad | okay, not too far off then |
| 09:44.42 | Manu | 40-50 is too bad compared to 120-150 |
| 09:45.03 | brlcad | i don't mean it's acceptible, i don't think anyone would think that :) |
| 09:45.07 | Manu | but still it's alpha or pre alpha :) |
| 09:45.20 | brlcad | i mean it's not an order or something, with some fundamental problems |
| 09:45.27 | Manu | no, of course |
| 09:45.36 | brlcad | it's tweaking-level, needs some things fixed (like shadows, etc) |
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| 09:45.43 | Manu | but my pc is not slow ;) |
| 09:45.46 | tupone_laptop | still missing meshes and and tele |
| 09:46.00 | Manu | yes, shadows freezes all |
| 09:46.02 | tupone_laptop | and shots |
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| 09:46.12 | brlcad | tupone_laptop: so you're going to have it all done before gsoc begins? :) |
| 09:46.18 | tupone_laptop | yep :) |
| 09:46.22 | brlcad | tupone_laptop: thoughts on the CS submitter? |
| 09:46.30 | tupone_laptop | where ? |
| 09:46.35 | tupone_laptop | I have not seen |
| 09:48.10 | restorer | I'll be back in 7 hours or so, and I'll bring my proposal with me |
| 09:48.51 | brlcad | restorer: great :) |
| 09:49.55 | restorer | I must say, I'm thinking of abandoning my third proposal, and this first one probably has less of an inherent chance of being chosen than the second one I'm having trouble writing :-\ |
| 09:50.14 | Manu | restorer: that's good :) |
| 09:50.34 | restorer | good? o_O |
| 09:51.53 | Manu | hehe |
| 09:52.14 | Manu | about your proposal :) |
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| 10:08.44 | brlcad | eep |
| 10:09.09 | tupone_laptop | what? |
| 10:10.30 | tupone_laptop | If you refer to my commit, there will be a CS way, and is just looking automatically at our configuration files, that we will update from the code |
| 10:11.38 | brlcad | comments that are useful to note along with the commit :) |
| 10:11.55 | brlcad | why tie our config files to their format? |
| 10:12.02 | tupone_laptop | lol, yeah, I thought about it when you asked |
| 10:12.12 | tupone_laptop | because is the one they read |
| 10:12.35 | tupone_laptop | and you will like |
| 10:12.38 | brlcad | could always generate their format |
| 10:12.45 | brlcad | in-memory |
| 10:12.51 | tupone_laptop | Video.FullScreen = no |
| 10:13.01 | tupone_laptop | Video.ScreenWidth = 640 |
| 10:13.01 | tupone_laptop | Video.ScreenHeight = 480 |
| 10:13.05 | brlcad | depends on the overall syntax I suppose |
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| 10:40.08 | tupone_laptop | [darek] : http://my.bzflag.org/w/CrystalSpace_client |
| 10:40.54 | tupone_laptop | well, I added bases. I did everything with no LOD, I think I should add back that |
| 10:41.11 | tupone_laptop | not now, but before delivering |
| 10:41.32 | [darek] | it's hard to make lod for just boxes |
| 10:41.54 | tupone_laptop | but you can see the effect |
| 10:42.03 | tupone_laptop | lighting is not uniform |
| 10:42.06 | [darek] | also probably its too close for imposters |
| 10:42.27 | [darek] | tanks are good for lod |
| 10:43.32 | tupone_laptop | maybe the lod concept is a bit different in bzflag. When no LOD, in bzflag, there is a minimal of triangles |
| 10:43.51 | tupone_laptop | with lod you draw a lot of models, and choose |
| 10:44.56 | [darek] | ok but how do you minimize triangles in 10 triangle box ? |
| 10:45.07 | [darek] | 5 quads |
| 10:46.02 | tupone_laptop | In box, I did only 2 triangles for the top now |
| 10:46.37 | [darek] | yes 2 for top and 8 for walls = 10 |
| 10:46.58 | tupone_laptop | but then you got that ligthing effect |
| 10:47.12 | tupone_laptop | unless you are able to fix with ppl |
| 10:47.36 | [darek] | which lighting effect ? |
| 10:48.31 | tupone_laptop | the 2 half triangle are lighted differently |
| 10:48.49 | tupone_laptop | like it was the GL way of doing color |
| 10:49.06 | [darek] | hmm, can you show any screenshot with this ? |
| 10:49.19 | tupone_laptop | see the link I posted |
| 10:49.28 | tupone_laptop | ^^^^ |
| 10:50.10 | [darek] | I watching it, can you point me where exactly ? |
| 10:50.37 | tupone_laptop | you can see the base for instance |
| 10:50.56 | tupone_laptop | or you can see the wall, at the intersection you have different gray shading |
| 10:51.52 | [darek] | on top of that 'U' shape ? |
| 10:52.07 | tupone_laptop | yep |
| 10:52.11 | [darek] | I see |
| 10:52.21 | [darek] | it's the way how model is made |
| 10:52.37 | [darek] | probably it's not made properly |
| 10:52.43 | tupone_laptop | but the color are really different, for the light |
| 10:53.18 | [darek] | yes, color of the lighting depends on face structure |
| 10:53.21 | tupone_laptop | well, try to build it yourself and navigate with roaming inside bzflag |
| 10:53.31 | [darek] | you will get same thing in blender or max |
| 10:54.23 | tupone_laptop | but if that is a ppl should be not dependent on where the vertex are? |
| 10:55.00 | [darek] | it depends |
| 10:55.19 | tupone_laptop | It seems that now it is interpolating between vertex |
| 10:55.37 | [darek] | because you separated top, and it's like local smooth group now |
| 10:55.56 | tupone_laptop | I did for top a submesh |
| 10:55.58 | [darek] | probably also some faced overlapping |
| 10:56.11 | [darek] | faces* |
| 10:56.14 | tupone_laptop | yep, some face are overlapping, part of the world |
| 10:56.34 | [darek] | it shoudl not |
| 10:56.42 | tupone_laptop | They did the world in that way |
| 10:56.45 | [darek] | model with overlapped faces = bad model |
| 10:56.58 | [darek] | it will look bad also in unreal engine or farcry engine |
| 10:57.06 | [darek] | you can't overlap faces |
| 10:57.27 | [darek] | they did wrong |
| 10:57.29 | tupone_laptop | what I can do? They are coming from the line that way |
| 10:57.36 | [darek] | it's one of the mail 3d artist rule |
| 10:57.40 | [darek] | main* |
| 10:58.12 | [darek] | let them fix the level |
| 10:58.13 | tupone_laptop | howerer, even when non overlapping, you see clearly a difference in lighting on to very near object |
| 10:59.33 | tupone_laptop | like I think, that u shaped form, the front side is made with 2 non overlapping wall |
| 11:00.46 | [darek] | it works same like smooth groups in 3ds max for example |
| 11:01.03 | [darek] | each separated part it's separate smoothgroup |
| 11:01.11 | [darek] | because of different normal |
| 11:01.16 | [darek] | it's correct |
| 11:01.21 | tupone_laptop | they hate the same normal |
| 11:01.25 | tupone_laptop | have :) |
| 11:01.51 | tupone_laptop | even if I have not said it to the engine |
| 11:01.53 | [darek] | but not share vertices |
| 11:02.09 | [darek] | if you want something in one smoothgroup then share vertices |
| 11:02.27 | [darek] | if you want clear visibkle separate, then separate verices |
| 11:02.51 | tupone_laptop | if I tesselate it, the effects vanish. Or not? |
| 11:05.20 | [darek] | not I think |
| 11:05.26 | [darek] | maybe a little |
| 11:06.30 | tupone_laptop | if you navigate the same map with the stock-bzflag, you don't see that division |
| 11:07.15 | [darek] | means in standard bzflag client ? |
| 11:07.22 | tupone_laptop | yep |
| 11:08.01 | [darek] | well dunno, why maybe used liginting is simple, but I can bet I can reproduce it in blender or any other engine |
| 11:08.09 | [darek] | it's well known rule |
| 11:08.51 | tupone_laptop | ok, let stay with it for now |
| 11:10.00 | [darek] | btw I made with other people this tutorial http://www.crystalspace3d.org/main/ArtistBestPractices_Tutorial it can be useful |
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| 14:10.10 | Epyon | Any mentor here? :> |
| 14:10.54 | tupone | about what? |
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| 14:20.50 | DTRemenak | Epyon: no matter what time, one or more of us is probably on, or will be shortly. better to just ask the question, than ask if anyone is around to answer it :) |
| 14:22.33 | Webstrand | what cuases the error 'Player [0] removed at 2007-03-25 09:21:16: Write error EAGAIN'? |
| 14:23.22 | Epyon | Yeah, I'm just curios how many applications have been submitted :). But I understand if it's a question that'll be left unanswered :P |
| 14:23.42 | DTRemenak | Webstrand: generally, loss of connection. windows seems to be a bit more sensitive (drops connections more readily) than other oses |
| 14:23.50 | Bz_Win | ff member: ping |
| 14:23.51 | Epyon | I'm just trying to judge my chances ;] |
| 14:24.18 | DTRemenak | so if you're hosting a server on windows and having many EAGAIN drops, consider moving to a unix-like os. |
| 14:25.28 | Webstrand | darn, atm i only have a windows system to host it on |
| 14:25.36 | DTRemenak | Epyon: we currently have many more applications than we're likely to have slots. a bunch of the applications are not very good though ;) |
| 14:26.17 | Webstrand | what is the website where you post debug files? |
| 14:26.32 | DTRemenak | logs go to the pastebin, if that's what you mean |
| 14:26.35 | DTRemenak | ~pastebin |
| 14:26.39 | ibot | pastebin is, like, a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well |
| 14:28.54 | Webstrand | http://rafb.net/p/5YrIWF18.html is my debug log |
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| 14:30.06 | DTRemenak | Webstrand: hm, those are almost immediately |
| 14:30.15 | DTRemenak | there's likely something else wrong |
| 14:30.38 | Webstrand | that log is from my laptop, but the same happens on my desktop |
| 14:31.23 | Raziel | DTRemenak: I posted an application (about server communication) days ago, and I'm doing some light research on the matter; is it annoying for you mentors if I post some advances or ideas as a comment inside the application page? |
| 14:31.46 | DTRemenak | Raziel: no, not at all. please, by all means, post more information |
| 14:32.00 | Raziel | oh, ok then :) |
| 14:32.04 | Webstrand | just another bit of information, if i connect to it using 'localhost' ot wrks fine |
| 14:32.06 | DTRemenak | the more information we have, the easier it as to make the evaluations :) |
| 14:36.06 | Epyon | DTRemenak, it would be disturbing if you'd have more slots than applications :P |
| 14:40.07 | DTRemenak | Epyon: true enough...I suppose I can probably say we have around two dozen applications at the moment. I mean, I hope I can say that, because I just did... :) |
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| 14:41.21 | Epyon | DTRemenak, it would be even more disturbing if you didn't say something you did say xD |
| 14:41.44 | DTRemenak | true, true |
| 14:42.29 | Epyon | I just hope that the slotcount for BZF will be high enough to enlist a "new idea" project after filling all "this is needed" slots ;) |
| 14:42.54 | DTRemenak | Epyon: we don't rank them that way :) |
| 14:43.35 | DTRemenak | there's not really any "needed list" |
| 14:43.37 | Epyon | Isn't there anything "badly needed -- we definitively need this one"-like slot? |
| 14:44.32 | DTRemenak | there are a few things we would really like to have done. most of them, we've at least considered doing ourselves also...soc is not our only way to finish projects |
| 14:45.10 | Epyon | Probably graphics engine integration is one of them? |
| 14:45.16 | DTRemenak | hm, looks like I already did...seeing dots where there are none, hmm.... :) |
| 14:45.44 | DTRemenak | yup, that's one we'd really like to have done |
| 14:45.51 | Epyon | This one actually bothers me. Because some graphics engines do not like content to be random. |
| 14:46.19 | DTRemenak | it's not random by the time it hits the graphics enigine :) |
| 14:46.23 | Epyon | Because that kills things like preprepared BSP trees etc. |
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| 14:47.01 | DTRemenak | our worlds are static from the perspective of the server, and completely unknown from the perspective of the client |
| 14:47.16 | Epyon | Yhm. |
| 14:47.42 | Epyon | So you need to maintain the volitile nature of levels anyway. |
| 14:47.48 | DTRemenak | even with random maps...any necessary prepreparation would be done server-side, after map generation but before allowing client connection |
| 14:47.53 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 14:50.34 | DTRemenak | and there are some who feel that "just send the text and let the client do it all" is a better approach anyway (cutting out our current intermediate parsed binary stage), which would push any preparation even further away from the time of generation |
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| 14:53.40 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0_cs_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx: Don't need SDL, it is changing the main ... this is now CS job |
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| 14:55.13 | [darek] | We don't need no SDL. We don't need no thought control. No dark sarcasm in the cvs. |
| 14:55.17 | [darek] | hi tupone :) |
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| 14:55.55 | tupone | :) |
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| 15:04.40 | xlaurenx131 | has any1 seen peter? |
| 15:04.53 | Bz_Win_Away | not sure I'd want to see PETER |
| 15:05.02 | xlaurenx131 | y? |
| 15:05.14 | xlaurenx131 | nvm |
| 15:05.39 | inchworm | what is his full nick? |
| 15:05.40 | xlaurenx131 | brb |
| 15:06.18 | xlaurenx131 | PETER (the annoucer) |
| 15:06.31 | xlaurenx131 | anouncer* |
| 15:08.05 | inchworm | ~seen peter |
| 15:08.32 | ibot | peter is currently on #wowi-lounge #wowwiki, last said: 'wish there was a way to tell which instances you were attuned to'. |
| 15:08.33 | xlaurenx131 | i was with him and now i cant find him he was goin to port 5155 i think |
| 15:08.49 | inchworm | that probably isn't who you are looking for... |
| 15:08.53 | inchworm | hmm |
| 15:09.46 | inchworm | xlaurenx131: try http://my.bzflag.bz/currentplayers.php |
| 15:09.49 | blast007 | xlaurenx131: use a stats site to locate him |
| 15:09.50 | blast007 | heh |
| 15:10.01 | xlaurenx131 | i did |
| 15:10.57 | blast007 | http://bzstats.strayer.de/players/stats/?name=PETER&lang=en&css=clear |
| 15:11.01 | xlaurenx131 | but i still cant find him |
| 15:11.30 | blast007 | keep trying then |
| 15:11.42 | blast007 | most of the sites only update every 5 minutes |
| 15:12.32 | Epyon | Google SoC in a nutshell: |
| 15:12.35 | Epyon | "You have the right to write code. Every line that you write may be used against you in a court of Google. You have the right for a mentor. If you don't have the money to afford one, one will be assigned to you by Google." |
| 15:12.45 | Epyon | xD |
| 15:13.08 | blast007 | heh |
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| 15:13.56 | xlaurenx131 | found him thnx |
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| 16:20.47 | BorisTSR | brlcad, are you active? |
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| 16:25.35 | brlcad | BorisTSR: usually |
| 16:25.43 | BorisTSR | ahh cool |
| 16:25.52 | BorisTSR | wondering if i could have a chat about GSOC |
| 16:25.54 | BorisTSR | ? |
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| 16:28.27 | ruskie | BorisTSR, you're ussualy supposed to start chatting if you want to chat about something ;) |
| 16:28.46 | BorisTSR | pointless chatting if he is busy though :P |
| 16:28.58 | ruskie | he can always read it later... |
| 16:29.09 | ruskie | or someone else can listen and talk :) |
| 16:29.18 | BorisTSR | ok then |
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| 16:30.02 | BorisTSR | I'm interested in applying for the engine integration idea. Just wanted a bit of input about it. Was told brlcad would be a good person to talk to about it |
| 16:30.35 | brlcad | what would you like to know? |
| 16:31.10 | BorisTSR | ok, there is several engines listed there. is there any real community preference as to which one? |
| 16:31.24 | JeffM2501 | I just sent you a mail |
| 16:31.27 | JeffM2501 | I just woke up |
| 16:31.33 | halo3 | who? |
| 16:31.36 | BorisTSR | ahh thanks JeffM2501 |
| 16:31.42 | brlcad | there are fairly equal preferences for CS, OGRE, and Irrlicht at this point :) |
| 16:31.43 | JeffM2501 | it would be whatever you want to propse |
| 16:31.47 | halo3 | o well good mornin jeff |
| 16:31.56 | JeffM2501 | you are telling us what you want/can do, not what we want you to do :) |
| 16:32.44 | JeffM2501 | ugg. word docs with macros :( |
| 16:32.57 | ruskie | can't ppl use plain text files... |
| 16:33.22 | BorisTSR | well at this point in time i don't have much experience with any of the engines, however i have a solid understanding of 3d math and opengl. I've worked with ogre a little bit. |
| 16:33.22 | JeffM2501 | BorisTSR, your proposal is a bit weak, I'd flesh out more what you think an edditor should be |
| 16:33.28 | JeffM2501 | and what types of interfaces you'd do |
| 16:33.35 | BorisTSR | ok |
| 16:33.53 | JeffM2501 | it basicly says "make an editor" :) |
| 16:33.54 | BorisTSR | it seriously had an imbedded macro? |
| 16:33.57 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 16:34.00 | BorisTSR | damn:/ |
| 16:34.10 | ruskie | use notepad if you don't have anything else :) |
| 16:34.38 | BorisTSR | i usually use OO, but i decided to give google docs and spreadsheets a try. last time i use that |
| 16:34.40 | JeffM2501 | he can make them in whatever he wants |
| 16:35.31 | ruskie | improves portability if it's plaintext :) |
| 16:36.09 | BorisTSR | well if your using something that requires plain text, i suggest upgrading :P |
| 16:36.33 | JeffM2501 | as I said, he can do it in whatever he wants :) |
| 16:36.51 | ruskie | but this is the wrong place to debate the finer points of why format foo is/isn't good :) |
| 16:36.56 | JeffM2501 | somtimes text isn't the best |
| 16:37.00 | JeffM2501 | but yes |
| 16:37.05 | brlcad | BorisTSR: a little background information, there is at least one core dev that really likes the OGRE API, there's at least one that really like how Irrlicht looks, there's at least one dev *actively* working on using Crystal Space -- you should, however merely base your proposal on your skills and comfort |
| 16:37.32 | JeffM2501 | I like ogre too |
| 16:37.34 | brlcad | or focus on what sounds like another application |
| 16:37.39 | JeffM2501 | I just like irr cus it dosn't use CEGUI |
| 16:37.50 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 16:37.53 | brlcad | there's more than one for probably each of those |
| 16:38.12 | JeffM2501 | so far the irr onnline comunit hasn't impressed me tho |
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| 16:39.33 | JeffM2501 | how much longer do they have for submissions? |
| 16:39.42 | BorisTSR | i wanted to get mine in today |
| 16:39.47 | tupone | tomorrow I guess |
| 16:39.47 | BorisTSR | i think there is a day and a half left |
| 16:40.18 | JeffM2501 | ahh good, I'll be back home then |
| 16:40.31 | brlcad | yeah, about 24 hours left |
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| 16:41.27 | brlcad | 5pm west coast time tomorrow iirc |
| 16:42.03 | JeffM2501 | tupone, I ran the CS client on this laptop |
| 16:42.06 | JeffM2501 | got it to build. |
| 16:42.12 | tupone | great |
| 16:42.24 | JeffM2501 | 1.06fps |
| 16:42.34 | tupone | 1.06 E +3 ? |
| 16:42.50 | ruskie | are there any docs on how to build the cs client? |
| 16:42.57 | JeffM2501 | no e |
| 16:43.01 | tupone | or just 1 FPS + epsilon? |
| 16:43.14 | JeffM2501 | 1 and a little tiny |
| 16:43.19 | tupone | :/ |
| 16:43.23 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 16:43.38 | tupone | I think we should review the lighting |
| 16:43.55 | a_meteorite | heh, crystalspace failed compiling altogether |
| 16:43.56 | tupone | and shadowing |
| 16:44.22 | JeffM2501 | I saw that much was being done |
| 16:44.28 | tupone | on my laptop I get 70 |
| 16:44.40 | JeffM2501 | what chipset? |
| 16:44.44 | JeffM2501 | and what CPU? |
| 16:44.45 | tupone | FX5200 |
| 16:44.53 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
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| 16:44.56 | tupone | amd64 3400 |
| 16:45.11 | JeffM2501 | mine should be faster then that on both counts |
| 16:45.18 | JeffM2501 | must be something ATI dosn't like |
| 16:45.18 | tupone | windowed at 640x480 |
| 16:45.35 | tupone | maybe the cg |
| 16:45.38 | ruskie | cs and ati don't play nice atleast that's what the planeshift devs tell me |
| 16:45.38 | rob1n | 1 fps? |
| 16:45.39 | rob1n | whoa |
| 16:46.16 | JeffM2501 | that's a big market to suck with\ |
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| 16:46.38 | tupone | ruskie, to build it, just checkout that branch and build. Nothing special |
| 16:46.46 | ruskie | how about depends etc? |
| 16:46.56 | tupone | except having CS |
| 16:47.17 | JeffM2501 | you on windows or nix? |
| 16:47.30 | JeffM2501 | the vc8 project for windows won't build on CS |
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| 16:47.36 | ruskie | linux |
| 16:47.49 | ruskie | I only use Free software |
| 16:47.55 | tupone | JeffM2501, did you see my snapshot? |
| 16:50.20 | tupone | I don't like how lighting is handled. [darek] said that mapmaker should not put intersecting object (to avoid z-fight) or different object complanar |
| 16:50.28 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 16:50.36 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 16:50.37 | tupone | on wiki |
| 16:50.43 | JeffM2501 | dude, lots of our maps have that |
| 16:50.46 | JeffM2501 | LOTS |
| 16:51.00 | JeffM2501 | I'm not at home so I havent just looked at the wiki |
| 16:51.21 | tupone | maybe I should re-tessellate later and go to basic lighting |
| 16:51.45 | JeffM2501 | there are many options |
| 16:51.54 | JeffM2501 | you can only do shadows on near stuff, etc.. |
| 16:52.00 | JeffM2501 | swap to lightmaps and not move the sun |
| 16:52.04 | JeffM2501 | projected textures |
| 16:52.06 | JeffM2501 | etc.. |
| 16:53.44 | tupone | well, if that option are not foreseen in CS we need to do raise the complexity of our game, with no advantage of using an engine. Hope that there are some viable options |
| 16:53.54 | tupone | already in |
| 16:54.13 | JeffM2501 | there will be |
| 16:54.18 | JeffM2501 | we just have to think more about it |
| 16:54.23 | JeffM2501 | we'll have to get tricky with it |
| 16:54.25 | JeffM2501 | the engine won't |
| 16:54.28 | JeffM2501 | do it automatic |
| 16:59.05 | ruskie | hmmm quick question... what optionals need to be built with crystal space for it to work with the cs client? |
| 16:59.22 | JeffM2501 | I just did there tpypical build |
| 16:59.44 | ruskie | more specificaly does one need Cg or not? |
| 17:00.19 | a_meteorite | any successes of building it on mac os x? cs here fails without giving any info why |
| 17:00.20 | JeffM2501 | IIRC it's not using any shaders |
| 17:00.44 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, want to buy my mac mini? |
| 17:00.55 | ruskie | hmm sounds acceptable then... |
| 17:01.20 | brlcad | JeffM2501: hehe |
| 17:01.23 | brlcad | you sellin' eh |
| 17:01.25 | JeffM2501 | serilusly |
| 17:01.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:01.33 | brlcad | which is it? |
| 17:01.35 | brlcad | (cpu) |
| 17:01.37 | JeffM2501 | PPC |
| 17:01.40 | JeffM2501 | 1.4ishthing |
| 17:01.46 | JeffM2501 | gig of ram |
| 17:01.48 | JeffM2501 | 80 gig drive |
| 17:02.43 | JeffM2501 | with tiger |
| 17:05.11 | brlcad | hm, not sure what I'd do with it, what I can use it for |
| 17:05.22 | brlcad | i have a deskside ppc |
| 17:05.33 | JeffM2501 | ummm... cus it's cute... |
| 17:05.37 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's it |
| 17:05.43 | JeffM2501 | get the TVout adapter for it |
| 17:05.49 | JeffM2501 | use it as a media box :) |
| 17:06.09 | JeffM2501 | figured you would :) |
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| 17:06.21 | JeffM2501 | gotta see if my roommates want to buy the thing |
| 17:06.29 | JeffM2501 | they have a blue and white g3 right now |
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| 17:06.52 | ts | 18:44 <+tupone> amd64 3400 |
| 17:06.56 | ts | oops |
| 17:07.08 | tupone | ruskie, I think it uses cg, not sure but maybe [darek] dis some magic with it |
| 17:07.13 | tupone | did |
| 17:07.22 | JeffM2501 | I Just have no reason to keep it, this laptop beats it in every way |
| 17:07.32 | ruskie | then this becomes basicaly non-Free whech means not installable here... |
| 17:07.55 | tupone | cg is not free? |
| 17:08.07 | ruskie | I see no link to source... |
| 17:08.07 | JeffM2501 | nvidia drivers |
| 17:08.31 | JeffM2501 | it's in the same boat as the drivers |
| 17:08.42 | JeffM2501 | what video drivers do you use ruskie ? |
| 17:08.43 | tupone | even for ATI? |
| 17:08.56 | JeffM2501 | cg is an nvidia shader spec |
| 17:08.57 | ruskie | mesalib dri r200 |
| 17:09.07 | JeffM2501 | then you don't need cg ;) |
| 17:09.55 | tupone | I think that setting material.lo.xml you don't use cg, at least I hope |
| 17:09.58 | JeffM2501 | does dri even suport the gl shader language? |
| 17:10.19 | JeffM2501 | tupone, cg HAS to be optional, as it for nvidia cards only |
| 17:10.28 | tupone | not it is not |
| 17:10.34 | tupone | at least what I get |
| 17:10.40 | JeffM2501 | you thinking of the gl shader language? |
| 17:10.42 | tupone | cg is from nvidia |
| 17:10.43 | JeffM2501 | cus that is not |
| 17:10.50 | BorisTSR | no CG can generate standard shaders |
| 17:10.53 | tupone | but used in ATI too |
| 17:10.54 | ts | Cg works for my ATI card, or at least it seems like |
| 17:11.15 | tupone | lemme point to a link |
| 17:11.47 | brlcad | large portions of cg became part of the opengl shader spec -- but cg itself is an nvidia creation |
| 17:11.57 | tupone | http://developer.nvidia.com/object/cg_toolkit.html |
| 17:12.28 | JeffM2501 | that goes out to GLSL |
| 17:12.44 | JeffM2501 | so its just a layer |
| 17:12.53 | JeffM2501 | may as well just use GLSL |
| 17:14.19 | JeffM2501 | does dri support GLSL? |
| 17:16.38 | JeffM2501 | but the point of CS is that the engine can work if the plugins can't load |
| 17:17.32 | tupone | I think the concept is that if you don't use that function, you don't load plugin |
| 17:18.05 | ruskie | http://www.mesa3d.org/ <-- answer if any should be visible there... |
| 17:18.10 | JeffM2501 | well shaders have to be optional |
| 17:18.14 | JeffM2501 | no mater what |
| 17:18.17 | JeffM2501 | for our needs |
| 17:18.38 | ruskie | http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=mesa/mesa.git;a=shortlog;h=glsl-compiler-1 <-- they seem to have something in their git repo |
| 17:18.52 | tupone | we should remove usage from the [darek] things, or make a level that does not use it. Maybe he did already |
| 17:19.04 | JeffM2501 | a level? |
| 17:19.20 | tupone | like material.lo |
| 17:19.30 | tupone | not a game level, I meant a quality level |
| 17:20.02 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:20.09 | JeffM2501 | there should just be a switch |
| 17:20.12 | JeffM2501 | shaders on or off |
| 17:20.14 | tupone | he did materials.hi.xml, material.mid.xml and material.lo.xml |
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| 17:20.31 | tupone | for now you need to change world to include one or the other |
| 17:20.34 | JeffM2501 | the engine won't ignore them if they arn't available? |
| 17:21.10 | tupone | I think it raise some warning but does it otherwise |
| 17:21.24 | JeffM2501 | good |
| 17:21.28 | JeffM2501 | that's how it should be at least |
| 17:21.36 | JeffM2501 | incase we boot in the wrong mode |
| 17:22.30 | ruskie | so one can safely build without cg and it should work no probs? |
| 17:22.39 | JeffM2501 | try and see |
| 17:23.08 | ruskie | I will... I need to update the cs package anyway :) |
| 17:23.11 | tupone | you should go to world and change hi with lo, to increase FPS |
| 17:23.21 | tupone | 1.0.1 |
| 17:23.41 | tupone | planeshift will not work with that :/ |
| 17:24.05 | ruskie | they way cs is handled is simply broken... |
| 17:24.50 | tupone | ruskie, what you mean? |
| 17:25.13 | ruskie | meant for planeshift :) |
| 17:25.18 | ruskie | i.e. requiring specific cvs version to work... |
| 17:25.20 | ruskie | that's broken... |
| 17:25.34 | ruskie | especial since there's a proper release now |
| 17:25.49 | tupone | ahh, I had to remove that from gentoo, for that. Planeshift developer was not going to fix it |
| 17:26.22 | ruskie | they don't plan on fixing anything... |
| 17:26.33 | ruskie | I acctually can't even run their binary release properly |
| 17:26.45 | ruskie | I get corrupted fonts |
| 17:27.04 | ruskie | and they blame it on cs which blames it on driver |
| 17:27.08 | ruskie | or something like that |
| 17:27.24 | JeffM2501 | it's probably best to go with just glsl |
| 17:27.27 | JeffM2501 | if cs can do that |
| 17:27.27 | ruskie | which is why I'm not really a fan of crystalspace |
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| 17:52.14 | BorisTSR | thanks for the chat JeffM2501 and brlcad. i'm off to bed. |
| 18:01.47 | brlcad | ciao BorisTSR |
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| 18:20.48 | bz78 | hello? |
| 18:20.52 | a_meteorite | hi |
| 18:20.55 | Bz_Win | bonjour |
| 18:21.05 | lodxcol | hi bz78 |
| 18:21.26 | blast007 | goodbye |
| 18:22.20 | Bz_Win | hehe |
| 18:22.20 | Bz_Win | scared him off :( |
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| 19:04.38 | restorer | well, there went my 7 hour promise, right out the window |
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| 19:23.14 | Manu | wow more CVs :/ |
| 19:23.27 | Dessy | huh? |
| 19:23.29 | Dessy | how more? |
| 19:23.43 | Manu | I'm talking about GSoC |
| 19:23.43 | Dessy | new files? |
| 19:23.52 | Dessy | what is that? |
| 19:24.03 | Manu | no, lot's of ppl submited their curriculum vitae |
| 19:24.36 | brlcad | Manu: there will probably be a lot more on this last day -- people just putting "something" in without even really reading the submission guidelines or topics much |
| 19:24.48 | brlcad | thinking it will help their chances |
| 19:25.03 | Manu | brlcad: did you noticed there are two equals, only the name is different ;) |
| 19:26.06 | Links2004 | i compile the new CVS of 2.0.9 there is a favorit list when i cloce bz the list delete why ? |
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| 19:26.25 | Manu | brlcad: there is a bug in the application list page, the numeration is wrong ;) |
| 19:26.39 | lodxcol | ~bzcvs |
| 19:26.43 | ibot | i heard bzcvs is http://my.bzflag.org/wiki/index.php/BZFlag_CVS, or cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P bzflag |
| 19:26.46 | Manu | it says: open 1 to 25 Forward (26 to 25, of 25)>> :) |
| 19:28.11 | lodxcol | how would I update my current CVS build of 2.0.9 without doing a fresh checkout? |
| 19:28.51 | Manu | lodxcol: use cvs update in the bzflag directory |
| 19:29.10 | Dessy | yep |
| 19:30.42 | a_meteorite | cvs update -dP is what I use |
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| 19:44.50 | halo3 | jeff i sent u a pm |
| 19:45.16 | halo3 | o jeffs not on |
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| 19:45.34 | halo3 | hi sir pants |
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| 19:53.37 | Sir_Pants | can anyone explain how to make a texture not be stretched on a box? |
| 19:53.42 | restorer | crap |
| 19:53.59 | restorer | it timed out while I was submitting my proposal |
| 19:54.10 | restorer | or rather, "encountered a server error" |
| 19:54.34 | restorer | I don't know if it actually went through... |
| 19:54.51 | brlcad | i'll check |
| 19:55.51 | brlcad | DTRemenak: the think line is a proposal that actually makes a "one-liner" proposition |
| 19:56.03 | L4m3r | Sir_Pants: first, stop using those damn meshboxes. they suck. |
| 19:56.05 | brlcad | s/think/thin/ |
| 19:56.14 | Sir_Pants | haha |
| 19:56.21 | L4m3r | use mesh instead. if THAT doesn't work, use texcoords. |
| 19:56.48 | DTRemenak | brlcad: the fact that two people submitted identical applications neither of which actually mention bzflag makes me file them under the "spam" category |
| 19:56.51 | Sir_Pants | if i could figure out how to texture in wings or blender, well then i wouldnt be asking |
| 19:57.20 | brlcad | DTRemenak: quite true .. no thin line there |
| 19:57.21 | L4m3r | who said anything about using a modeller? code a definition that's a mesh box |
| 19:57.32 | brlcad | more thinking along the AI dude's proposal |
| 19:58.19 | L4m3r | yeesh |
| 19:58.26 | Sir_Pants | explain it to me on #bzw |
| 19:58.33 | DTRemenak | brlcad: yeah, he actually looked, eh, qualified |
| 19:58.39 | L4m3r | manners are lost on some people apparently |
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| 20:02.30 | restorer | brlcad: does it look like my app mde it through? |
| 20:03.50 | brlcad | restorer: no it doesn't |
| 20:03.55 | brlcad | what's the titel? |
| 20:04.03 | restorer | "BZFlag World Editor" |
| 20:04.07 | restorer | I'll try again |
| 20:04.19 | brlcad | yeah, not there |
| 20:04.39 | Manu | heh, 2 ineligibles |
| 20:05.19 | DTRemenak | should be 3 |
| 20:05.27 | Manu | err... 3 now* :) |
| 20:05.51 | DTRemenak | the other ones actually mention either bzflag or some project |
| 20:05.52 | Manu | brlcad: copy/paste is cool ;) |
| 20:06.06 | DTRemenak | so they get to stay |
| 20:06.14 | restorer | arg, error again |
| 20:06.28 | Manu | restorer: bad start ;) |
| 20:06.31 | restorer | I guess I'll just try later |
| 20:06.44 | DTRemenak | I mean, it's not that hard to at least paste the name of the org you're applying to in your copy/paste template :) |
| 20:06.49 | L4m3r | restorer: that's what you get for giving yourself 7 gmail accounts! :P |
| 20:07.22 | L4m3r | Google knows all :o |
| 20:07.23 | Manu | DTRemenak: I agree, probably these guis submitted the same to every application |
| 20:07.30 | Manu | guys* |
| 20:07.38 | L4m3r | not *every* app |
| 20:07.46 | L4m3r | they only let you sign up for 20 |
| 20:08.04 | Manu | L4m3r: thanks for the fix ;) |
| 20:08.08 | brlcad | as well as a "DO NOT JUST SUBMIT A CURRICULUM VITAE / RESUMÉ" |
| 20:08.47 | brlcad | yep |
| 20:09.00 | L4m3r | since they want the money or the tshirt or just to say they were in GSoC :P |
| 20:10.52 | restorer | aha, that time it went through |
| 20:11.03 | Manu | restorer: it's your application BZFlag World Editor? |
| 20:11.08 | Manu | is* |
| 20:11.11 | restorer | yes |
| 20:11.26 | Manu | then all is ok, it's in the list |
| 20:11.47 | restorer | yup, I tried again, and it showed that it went through this time |
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| 20:34.48 | Sir_Pants | is it possible to have multiple groups with in a group to change their scale? |
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| 21:00.44 | A-Delusion | pants.. look at the new wiki pages for groups |
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| 21:30.05 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03bthansen * 10bzflag/ (6 files in 4 dirs): |
| 21:30.05 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: Add -filterAnnounce server option |
| 21:30.05 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: Display raw chat on the admin channel when a message is filtered. |
| 21:30.05 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03bthansen * 10bzflag/plugins/serverControl/ (Makefile.am plugins.cfg serverControl.cpp): Revert changes for reporting filtered messages on the admin channel |
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| 21:39.40 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03bthansen * 10bzflag/plugins/serverControl/Makefile.am: top_builddir not top_srcdir for the library |
| 21:39.56 | a_meteorite | so me and AAA_awright were working on a way to prevent server abuse (MsgMessage) before a user actually joins the game |
| 21:40.05 | AAA_awright | ditto |
| 21:40.20 | a_meteorite | in CVS, it is blocked, but we need the functionality in BZFlag_Info |
| 21:40.37 | AAA_awright | Any ideas on a way to control a server without joining? |
| 21:40.38 | a_meteorite | so, we had a couple ideas how it could be achieved, one which Jeff mentioned |
| 21:41.23 | a_meteorite | that is, to create a CONNECTED group, and EVERYONE is only applied until the person actually joins the game (see http://labs.redjacket.ws/bzflagpermission.txt for specifics) |
| 21:42.14 | AAA_awright | I had disussed that before... |
| 21:42.22 | a_meteorite | but, since we still need MsgMessage functionality, and didn't want to expect server owners to automatically add talk to the CONNECTED group (would defeat the purpose), we thought of a new packet: MsgAuth |
| 21:42.28 | AAA_awright | (cricket, cricket) |
| 21:42.44 | Constitution | EVERYONE is applied until, or after, someone joins the game? |
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| 21:42.57 | L4m3r | why bother? if you need some kind of functionality without joining the game, use a plug-in |
| 21:42.59 | a_meteorite | basically MsgAuth would do the same as MsgEnter, but not actually join them to the game. it would allow the person to be in any global groups. |
| 21:43.13 | a_meteorite | L4m3r: being a web-based application, we don't have that opportunity |
| 21:43.26 | L4m3r | sure you do |
| 21:43.39 | AAA_awright | I like the idea of basic admin functions being able to be done without joining |
| 21:43.41 | a_meteorite | anyways, before I actually did anything, I was wondering if anyone had any ideas about it since it is a new packet |
| 21:43.45 | L4m3r | unless you're trying to screw with other people's servers |
| 21:43.53 | a_meteorite | L4m3r: a plugin is more complicated than PHP too |
| 21:44.04 | L4m3r | load a plugin that opens some backend stuff that you can connect to |
| 21:44.08 | a_meteorite | L4m3r: MsgAuth would authenticate them globally, so they would need the permissions the groups give them |
| 21:44.30 | AAA_awright | Is there a way to run server commands (/password, /ban) with a plugin? |
| 21:44.44 | a_meteorite | it's no different, except you don't have to worry about full teams or server abuse |
| 21:44.55 | a_meteorite | AAA_awright: you don't need /password with a plugin.. |
| 21:45.04 | L4m3r | AAA_awright: only what has been exposed to the API |
| 21:45.08 | AAA_awright | If anyone can connect to a plugin, you do |
| 21:45.31 | AAA_awright | anyway, is it possible for a plugin to run server commands? |
| 21:45.32 | L4m3r | at present /ban /kick /say /shutdown et all |
| 21:45.33 | a_meteorite | it'd be trivial to be able to get the password from the api |
| 21:45.33 | DTRemenak | in 2.1 you can join as an SSB, and you have full player state, including message parsing |
| 21:45.41 | AAA_awright | not with the API, but with /command? |
| 21:45.48 | L4m3r | no, not directly |
| 21:46.03 | AAA_awright | DTRemenak: SSB? |
| 21:46.08 | DTRemenak | server-side bot |
| 21:46.11 | L4m3r | ideally you'd handle perms in code, or just refuse the connection to people who shouldn't be there |
| 21:46.19 | AAA_awright | oh, yah |
| 21:46.31 | a_meteorite | L4m3r: that's what I meant, you'd be denied to do anything unless you MsgAuth or MsgEnter |
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| 21:47.06 | a_meteorite | Auth would be just like Enter, except you really wouldn't join the game and would avoid full teams, plugins, etc |
| 21:47.23 | a_meteorite | and you would only get the permissions that the groups give you |
| 21:47.31 | L4m3r | like VERIFIED? ;) |
| 21:47.48 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 21:48.15 | AAA_awright | Yah, MsgAuth would get you into the VERIFIED group. |
| 21:48.17 | L4m3r | so if verified can talk, it becomes a potential source of asshattery... |
| 21:48.25 | a_meteorite | you would still be able to ban them |
| 21:48.34 | AAA_awright | No... |
| 21:48.35 | a_meteorite | look at the logs, notice their bzid/ip, ban |
| 21:49.03 | AAA_awright | the TALK permission would be given from the... hm. |
| 21:49.10 | a_meteorite | AAA_awright even suggested creating a separate team or something so admins can see what bots are joining, but I thought that was a little drastic |
| 21:49.37 | a_meteorite | (visually, in the scoreboard/console) |
| 21:49.48 | L4m3r | something like this would have to be opt-in. that's why I recommend a plugin instead of a mainline feature. |
| 21:50.13 | a_meteorite | a plugin is more complicated to program than any php app for these purposes :) |
| 21:50.33 | L4m3r | most of it would still be php |
| 21:50.54 | L4m3r | and it's not worth crapping up the source code just to make *your* life easier |
| 21:51.09 | a_meteorite | it's not crapping up the source code, it's a valid problem and solution |
| 21:51.17 | a_meteorite | and I'd be the one making the patch |
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| 21:51.25 | L4m3r | it's a solution in search of a problem |
| 21:51.31 | AAA_awright | :) |
| 21:51.33 | L4m3r | the spamming issue is already fixed |
| 21:51.34 | a_meteorite | we already have a problem |
| 21:51.51 | a_meteorite | we got problems as soon as the fixes went mainstream |
| 21:52.04 | AAA_awright | Actually, AAA, the PHP and BZProto wizard, knows of many more hacks |
| 21:52.25 | a_meteorite | this patch would allow no more than what is already available, you just don't join visually and bypass restrictions on team sizes |
| 21:52.36 | a_meteorite | and you only get what the server owner deems fit |
| 21:53.06 | a_meteorite | heck, I could even create another group CONNECTED_AUTH if they feel like global login people will be a problem |
| 21:53.30 | L4m3r | that wouldn't fix it though |
| 21:53.36 | a_meteorite | why not? |
| 21:53.40 | a_meteorite | it would prevent any abuse |
| 21:53.43 | L4m3r | unless you change verified to only include actual players |
| 21:53.55 | a_meteorite | ok |
| 21:54.28 | L4m3r | but is it any use to anyone besides you? |
| 21:54.41 | L4m3r | or should I say, anyone who's not creating yet-another-stats-tracker? |
| 21:54.52 | a_meteorite | me, AAA_awright, other server owners in the future *hint* |
| 21:55.04 | a_meteorite | it's not another stats tracker |
| 21:55.17 | a_meteorite | and if it was, it'd be hell of a lot better that's for sure |
| 21:55.18 | AAA_awright | For the short term, I need a plugin that can be connected to. First problem: how do you open a connection to the plugin? |
| 21:55.34 | a_meteorite | AAA_awright: sockets, which are unreliable unless you know what you're doing |
| 21:55.43 | a_meteorite | unless you can think of some other witchcraft |
| 21:55.55 | AAA_awright | Where are packets in sockets lost, anyway? |
| 21:56.06 | a_meteorite | it's up to the OS |
| 21:56.24 | a_meteorite | sometimes you don't even get everything you want in one packet (if it's too long, or if the OS just felt like it) |
| 21:57.16 | a_meteorite | if you're using tcp, you're guaranteed to get it and in order, but it doesn't mean you won't screw up parsing it :) |
| 21:58.27 | a_meteorite | L4m3r: we're just suggesting additions to what jeff said was a valid solution |
| 21:58.44 | a_meteorite | and we wanted to get some feedback, that's all |
| 21:59.31 | L4m3r | well, aside from the standard "~pw" remember that you're more likely to get shot down if you suggest something that is obviously specific to your needs |
| 21:59.35 | AAA_awright | Why not create a TCP socket? |
| 21:59.57 | a_meteorite | AAA_awright: because maintaing two different plugins with the same purpose really isn't my cup of tea... |
| 22:00.11 | a_meteorite | plus you wouldn't be able to do things on other servers, just ones that got the plugin |
| 22:00.12 | AAA_awright | what two plugins? |
| 22:00.18 | a_meteorite | BZFX and you |
| 22:00.22 | AAA_awright | ah |
| 22:01.03 | a_meteorite | it would have some use to other server owners, once this stuff gets mainstream |
| 22:01.32 | a_meteorite | plus groups would be totally op-in, we wouldn't be forcing anyone to give permissions they don't want to plain connected players |
| 22:02.32 | a_meteorite | we as in the bzflag community, not just us |
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| 22:06.35 | spldart | su |
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| 22:06.45 | DTRemenak | Enter password: |
| 22:06.51 | spldart | poop |
| 22:06.56 | Dessy | lol |
| 22:07.12 | spldart | sry... 3 machines in front of me :-( |
| 22:07.28 | Manu | away zzzZzzzZzzz |
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| 22:18.30 | bz93 | my bzflag hung with black screen |
| 22:18.46 | bz93 | I need some help |
| 22:19.05 | Constitution | OS? bz version? video card model? |
| 22:19.11 | CBG | who where what why how and when? |
| 22:19.23 | bz93 | ubuntu edgy |
| 22:19.36 | bz93 | nvidia 7600 |
| 22:19.44 | spldart | xorg? |
| 22:19.46 | tupone_laptop | you cannot kill anyone? |
| 22:19.50 | tupone_laptop | ahh |
| 22:19.58 | tupone_laptop | glxinfo? |
| 22:22.46 | bz93 | xorg 1.7.1.1 |
| 22:24.43 | CBG | did you try searching the forums? |
| 22:25.03 | CBG | seems like no dev is at their keyboard right now and someone may have posted about it already |
| 22:25.12 | CBG | (where it = your problem) |
| 22:25.19 | SportChick | brlcad, DTRemenak: has anyone reported what appears to be a bug or cheat specific to a shockwave flag? |
| 22:25.30 | DTRemenak | not that I've heard |
| 22:26.32 | tupone_laptop | bz93 can you try glxinfo and see what direct rendering says? |
| 22:26.37 | SportChick | the issue has been seen on at least 2 different servers now - essentially, someone kills a teammate with a shockwave and is thus self-killed, but the shockwave keeps killing the teammate over and over until the shockwave holder is kicked for TK |
| 22:26.46 | CBG | eek, sorry tupone_laptop: didn't see your messages - I didn't mean to suggest you weren't a dev :) |
| 22:26.55 | SportChick | if anyone reports it, can you try and get the IP of the person who was killed by the shockwave and let me know? |
| 22:26.57 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 22:26.57 | tupone_laptop | np |
| 22:27.22 | SportChick | it may or may not be connected with proximity to a teleporter |
| 22:29.36 | L4m3r | SportChick: it happened on top of the mofo cake too, no teles there |
| 22:29.54 | SportChick | L4m3r ah, thanks |
| 22:30.01 | SportChick | one less thing then |
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| 23:08.59 | bz49 | my bzflag crash with black screen |
| 23:09.59 | bz49 | direct rendering: Yes |
| 23:23.11 | Sir_Pants_ | sportchick: when it happened to me i was near a teleporter on mofo |
| 23:23.32 | SportChick | Sir_Pants_: who was it you shot? what was the nick? |
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| 23:27.31 | a_meteorite | brlcad: ping |
| 23:28.22 | AAA_awright | wait |
| 23:28.29 | a_meteorite | k |
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| 23:31.12 | brlcad | a_meteorite: pong |
| 23:31.56 | a_meteorite | brlcad: I have an idea for a feature I *might* be able to add, but I don't know the likelihood of it getting added. I'd hate to start it and then get rejected. |
| 23:32.21 | Bz_Win | you've got nothing but time |
| 23:32.22 | a_meteorite | an extension to the BZFS Api: adding custom packets and packet events |
| 23:32.37 | a_meteorite | it shouldn't break protocol either, as it won't modify current packets? |
| 23:32.59 | a_meteorite | basically, a way for apps to communicate with plugins without actually joining the server (just connecting) |
| 23:33.59 | a_meteorite | and plugins would get to decide how it handles those packets and such, so it'd be perfectly safe from attacks (unless you have a rogue plugin) |
| 23:34.35 | brlcad | hmmm |
| 23:34.38 | a_meteorite | it would open quite a few doors with interaction to custom plugins |
| 23:34.42 | AAA_awright | Someone wanted a plugin to be able to accept HTTP requests on the BZFS server... |
| 23:35.53 | a_meteorite | I know it's hard to say if for sure it would get accepted, you're only one dev, but it sounded like a really great idea to me and something lots of people could use |
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| 23:36.22 | A_Heart_Attack | Can anyone here help me with writing a plugin? |
| 23:36.34 | a_meteorite | A_Heart_Attack: do you know C? |
| 23:36.39 | brlcad | well, I don't really see any obvious problems with that idea -- seems like a good enough idea in itself |
| 23:36.45 | A_Heart_Attack | a_meteorite: no |
| 23:36.46 | A_Heart_Attack | i do not |
| 23:36.50 | a_meteorite | A_Heart_Attack: what do you want to do? |
| 23:36.50 | A_Heart_Attack | or C++ |
| 23:36.55 | brlcad | more just how it would be implemented should be hopefully a clean interface |
| 23:37.21 | a_meteorite | brlcad: yeah, it's quite a huge mod for my first official patch attempt :) |
| 23:37.29 | brlcad | implementing something via a common protocol to a plugin that has knowledge of other plugins would probably be even easier |
| 23:38.15 | a_meteorite | probably, and I think there's some stuff in there that already does that but I've never used it |
| 23:38.27 | a_meteorite | at least the function names and comments give that impression |
| 23:39.00 | a_meteorite | alright, I'll dive in a little more and take a shot at it :) |
| 23:40.07 | brlcad | wouldn't worry about changing/breaking bzfs api if you work on head |
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