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| 00:13.39 | amcnabb | brlcad, I got your email about the Summer of Code stuff. |
| 00:15.05 | amcnabb | This summer shouldn't be too crazy for me, so I'm happy to help out with stuff. |
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| 00:19.37 | amcnabb | And actually, we have a new bunch of students that will be using BZFlag starting spring term, so I should be on #bzflag most of the time. |
| 00:20.07 | daniel_jackson | hey can someone add me to the guleague usergroup? |
| 00:22.06 | SportChick | daniel_jackson: ask on #guleague |
| 00:22.16 | daniel_jackson | oh ty |
| 00:22.22 | daniel_jackson | will do |
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| 00:33.39 | BZFLAGDUDE | so............. hi |
| 00:33.45 | daniel_jackson | hey |
| 00:34.13 | a_meteorite | ... hi |
| 00:34.13 | Bz_Win | ...dots |
| 00:34.13 | BZFLAGDUDE | wow this is boring |
| 00:34.13 | donny_baker | not for us |
| 00:34.18 | BZFLAGDUDE | I'm to sexy for my shirt |
| 00:34.19 | daniel_jackson | its supposed to be exciting? |
| 00:34.24 | donny_baker | patience is the key here |
| 00:34.28 | Bz_Win | rofl |
| 00:34.32 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 00:34.33 | Constitution | lol |
| 00:34.39 | Bz_Win | donny, was that lame or what that lame? |
| 00:34.42 | Rawk | hi daniel_jackson |
| 00:34.46 | daniel_jackson | hey |
| 00:34.52 | a_meteorite | Bz_Win: "what that lame" |
| 00:34.56 | a_meteorite | specifically, that |
| 00:35.05 | Bz_Win | was, even :p |
| 00:35.39 | daniel_jackson | I think that was lame |
| 00:35.41 | brlcad | amcnabb: ah, howdy |
| 00:35.44 | daniel_jackson | hey |
| 00:35.46 | brlcad | was busy reviewing/commenting |
| 00:36.40 | daniel_jackson | ah fun fun on missilewar when your admin permissions are screwed up and you can't find tangent |
| 00:37.52 | daniel_jackson | can I be too sexy for my shirt? lol |
| 00:38.13 | a_meteorite | quite possibly |
| 00:38.24 | a_meteorite | which is very disturbing to m |
| 00:38.34 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 00:38.50 | Bz_Win | that pretty sexy :p |
| 00:38.51 | daniel_jackson | I wouldn't run into a room and say that |
| 00:38.56 | Bz_Win | wait, are you a girl? :p |
| 00:39.18 | a_meteorite | >_> |
| 00:39.19 | Rawk | dude, that guy was random |
| 00:39.37 | daniel_jackson | no /dev/urandom is random |
| 00:39.48 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 00:40.45 | daniel_jackson | well mets I killed the german server |
| 00:40.51 | a_meteorite | why? |
| 00:41.34 | inchworm | for the record, /dev/urandom is psudo-random |
| 00:41.40 | KTL | indeed |
| 00:42.04 | a_meteorite | it's pseudo |
| 00:42.07 | a_meteorite | you should know that |
| 00:42.15 | Rawk | daniel_jackson: in with the us server |
| 00:42.15 | daniel_jackson | someone has been dinking around with the setting, so when I updated the kernel back to where it was, I rebooted, and it never came back up |
| 00:42.18 | a_meteorite | get the facts straight |
| 00:42.30 | a_meteorite | daniel_jackson: 1st consul? |
| 00:42.39 | a_meteorite | I haven't tinkered on it in ages |
| 00:43.18 | a_meteorite | and... why did you backdate the kernel anyways? |
| 00:43.23 | daniel_jackson | well he's migrating to tangent's server, then on to a newer german server |
| 00:43.28 | a_meteorite | >_> |
| 00:44.12 | daniel_jackson | I have the grub config installed with an earlier kernel, incase that occurs |
| 00:44.37 | daniel_jackson | or rather it lists the earlier stock kernel |
| 00:44.58 | daniel_jackson | and that stock kernel is still installed |
| 00:45.09 | brlcad | amcnabb: ping me when you're back |
| 00:45.43 | daniel_jackson | someone just need to reboot it select option #2 in grub, then it will be back up again |
| 00:46.46 | daniel_jackson | but its practically my server now |
| 00:46.51 | daniel_jackson | phone brb |
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| 00:50.52 | daniel_jackson | great this pet food recall, is getting worse |
| 00:51.12 | daniel_jackson | now the dry food is getting recalled |
| 00:51.27 | inchworm | hmm |
| 00:52.04 | daniel_jackson | the science diet any way |
| 00:52.11 | hobbsc | daniel_jackson: wasn't that a peta thing? |
| 00:52.36 | daniel_jackson | yes but I have a 19yr old cat |
| 00:52.57 | daniel_jackson | now I get to rob her of her dry food |
| 00:53.17 | daniel_jackson | brb |
| 00:53.36 | daniel_jackson | my mom's a vet receptionist |
| 00:54.09 | KTL | any other news I should be aware of :D |
| 00:54.52 | KTL | is that pet food thing only in america? |
| 00:55.03 | inchworm | gotta know if that cat you just ate was poisoned or not |
| 00:55.12 | KTL | :) |
| 00:55.54 | brlcad | DTRemenak: pingo |
| 00:56.18 | inchworm | 101 dalmations for the win! |
| 00:56.21 | Epyon | *sigh* I guess it's about different timezones, huh? |
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| 00:56.53 | Epyon | It's 3:00 here, and I see more activity on #bzflag than at 18:00 :P |
| 00:57.14 | brlcad | heh |
| 00:57.27 | KTL | indeed |
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| 00:57.33 | brlcad | it only increases over the next couple hours usually |
| 00:57.46 | KTL | when we fall dead from sleep then #bzflag is awake |
| 00:58.00 | Epyon | So the mainstream discussion takes place I usualy sleep :/ |
| 00:58.08 | brlcad | east coast US starts to darken and the night owls wake up, west coast US hits their evening |
| 00:58.48 | brlcad | they often continue for about 5-6 more hours .. depends on the fluctuation :) |
| 00:59.09 | Epyon | Yet I still recall the problems of contacting my friends when I lived in Nashville TN :) |
| 00:59.21 | brlcad | the european crowd is usually active a bit earlier (about 5-10 hours ago) |
| 01:00.09 | Bz_Win | I g2g...bye |
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| 01:00.22 | Epyon | I guess most of the devteam is US based? |
| 01:01.17 | brlcad | it's a mix, but probably three quarters of the active core devs are US |
| 01:01.37 | Epyon | That's so different from what I'm used too :) |
| 01:01.48 | Epyon | Most of my forum members are Europe based :) |
| 01:01.49 | brlcad | the player community is 24-7 though, so it really just fluctuates based on activities |
| 01:01.58 | brlcad | and global |
| 01:02.05 | Epyon | Never understood why, though. |
| 01:02.08 | KTL | during the exams there was a week i was supposed to do nothing else but study. every day i moved my sleep 2 hours, tried to do that. At a certain moment i went to sleep when the shops opened. At a certain moment I had to run to the shops after awakening before they closed to have food. And later I had to stay awake to get food in the morning. |
| 01:02.50 | brlcad | you can often tell when kids are in school and when there's a vacation too, depending on activity |
| 01:02.57 | brlcad | ~bzflist |
| 01:02.59 | Epyon | Well, but still I have a "US frendly" lifestyle. I am most productive between 21.00 and 4.00 xD |
| 01:03.27 | brlcad | wow, that's a bit higher than usual |
| 01:03.39 | Epyon | Heh, maybe I'll join for a game somewhere :> |
| 01:03.56 | Epyon | Um? :| |
| 01:04.10 | brlcad | it's fun to hunt the newbies ;) |
| 01:04.10 | Epyon | Maaan, I suck at BZF :P. |
| 01:04.18 | KTL | :D |
| 01:04.29 | amcnabb | brlcad, I'm back |
| 01:04.30 | brlcad | don't worry |
| 01:04.35 | brlcad | you'll suck for months in comparison ;) |
| 01:04.37 | Epyon | To be honest I suck at all games that do not allow unlimited thinking time ^^ |
| 01:04.45 | brlcad | even if you played every day |
| 01:04.49 | brlcad | amcnabb: great! |
| 01:05.10 | Epyon | brlcad, yet I need to learn if I'm going to provide good levels. |
| 01:05.13 | inchworm | my just dead computer had bzflag 1.10 on it... and i'm still a lousy player |
| 01:05.33 | Epyon | So if all goes well I hope to be at least mediocre in BZF after this summer ;] |
| 01:05.40 | brlcad | Epyon: yes .. good point :) |
| 01:05.55 | daniel_jackson | if its dead how do you know its still on there? :) |
| 01:06.24 | Epyon | "hey, son, what are you doing? (reply while firing at a tank) Job research." |
| 01:06.33 | brlcad | be sure to play "ducati-style" for a while, as well as FFA, and a 4-team CTF map with jumping at least.. those are three radically different styles that demand certain maps |
| 01:07.00 | daniel_jackson | nyep |
| 01:07.08 | Epyon | rather teach :P |
| 01:07.30 | daniel_jackson | I'm suffering from the "n" disease |
| 01:07.32 | brlcad | ducati-style is classic -- 2 shots, rico, no jumping, usually two teams, a few buildings and pyramids scattered, two flag bases |
| 01:07.46 | Epyon | KTL, you also come from a country where "teach" and "learn" is the same word? :P |
| 01:07.52 | inchworm | daniel_jackson: the hard drive still lives and it's now in an external enclosure |
| 01:07.52 | KTL | belgium |
| 01:08.20 | Epyon | KTL, it's late dammit, you should go to bed :D |
| 01:08.21 | KTL | "ik leer iemand iets" I teach somebody something, "ik leer iets" I learn something |
| 01:08.30 | daniel_jackson | oh ok just making sure, preserve it like your 8 inch floppies! lol |
| 01:08.35 | KTL | no i should continue working at my raytracer! |
| 01:08.40 | KTL | http://users.pandora.be/dpf/cg/cgtree.png |
| 01:09.02 | Epyon | "ja ucze kogoœ" I teach somebody. "ja ucze sie" I learn. |
| 01:09.07 | inchworm | that's pretty good! |
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| 01:09.41 | KTL | i implemented a spatial subdivision a night or 2 ago, the night i was complaining about my nervous breakdown and c++ here |
| 01:10.15 | Epyon | Octtrees at least? :P |
| 01:10.24 | daniel_jackson | you mean I'm not the only onw? |
| 01:10.27 | daniel_jackson | one? |
| 01:10.47 | KTL | i divide in 2 constantly in 2, changing the dimension every split |
| 01:11.01 | KTL | s/2// |
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| 01:11.40 | KTL | you could take a laptop to a bar |
| 01:11.46 | KTL | with irc enabled |
| 01:11.52 | KTL | and be spiritually with the channel |
| 01:11.54 | daniel_jackson | well I have a cherry coke is that good enough? |
| 01:11.55 | KTL | :P |
| 01:12.02 | SportChick | +n 7 |
| 01:12.02 | Guu` | Wish I knew! |
| 01:12.16 | daniel_jackson | +n7 |
| 01:12.17 | Guu` | Bugger all, I dunno! |
| 01:12.18 | Epyon | There are hardly any bars open at this time of the night :? |
| 01:12.30 | Constitution | anyone know why bzflag.ziadora.net is listed with 48 players, when there is only 1? |
| 01:12.39 | KTL | ok, problem solved :) |
| 01:12.42 | Epyon | daniel_jackson, better than nothing :> |
| 01:12.55 | daniel_jackson | bots? |
| 01:13.04 | Constitution | no |
| 01:13.08 | Constitution | it's been that way for some time now |
| 01:13.20 | Constitution | 2.1 source code, server restarts every 3 hours or so |
| 01:13.55 | KTL | isn't that your server Constitution ? |
| 01:13.59 | Constitution | yes |
| 01:14.18 | Epyon | Read "to play a game of BZF, and get 0wned :P" |
| 01:14.31 | Constitution | but it's source code straight from SVN... no mods at all, and just one observer |
| 01:15.05 | daniel_jackson | oh its in the 2.1 |
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| 01:20.54 | DTRemenak | Epyon: I'm sure plenty of people would be willing to "assist" you with your "research" :) |
| 01:21.56 | brlcad | DTRemenak: thoughts on the other editor submissions? |
| 01:23.01 | brlcad | i.e. whether leave it at the one outstanding one, or press for more than one |
| 01:23.36 | Epyon | DTRemenak, lets have a random go, and see how bad I am :> |
| 01:23.59 | DTRemenak | brlcad: I'd say leave it at the one |
| 01:24.04 | DTRemenak | but then, who am I to say |
| 01:24.11 | Epyon | Though first server I tried to connect gave me "Uncompatible version" :P |
| 01:24.42 | DTRemenak | Epyon: are you using a 2.0 or HEAD (erm, trunk) client? |
| 01:25.35 | brlcad | DTRemenak: you are .. uh .. |
| 01:25.45 | brlcad | like a core dev .. or something |
| 01:25.54 | brlcad | :P |
| 01:26.04 | DTRemenak | heh....my point is, I'm not involved in any of the editor stuff :) |
| 01:26.14 | Epyon | Lol, my average play time is less then the average respawn time xD |
| 01:26.26 | DTRemenak | pick a less busy server ;) |
| 01:26.44 | Epyon | I'm using the most recent official client. |
| 01:27.03 | Epyon | Any suggestions? |
| 01:28.27 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 01:28.35 | DTRemenak | I don't even know what's popular these days |
| 01:28.50 | Epyon | I mean, somewhere where I could actually learn to play the game BEFORE I get fragged again? xD |
| 01:28.52 | DTRemenak | usually the first couple on the list are too busy to play on though |
| 01:29.06 | Epyon | There should be a newbie server mind you :P |
| 01:29.09 | DTRemenak | best place to learn to play is low shots, rico, no jumping |
| 01:29.33 | DTRemenak | the server list has R and J columns and the color indicates the shotcount |
| 01:29.40 | DTRemenak | so you should be able to find something of that nature |
| 01:30.01 | DTRemenak | or there might not be any with players on |
| 01:30.11 | Epyon | ~bzflist |
| 01:31.21 | DTRemenak | Join Game -> Find Server |
| 01:31.54 | Epyon | brlcad, where :P |
| 01:31.55 | DTRemenak | what play? nawww... |
| 01:33.10 | Epyon | Hmm, maybe it's firefox. |
| 01:33.50 | Epyon | Or maybe they're right that you should reboot a windows machine at least once a month :| |
| 01:33.58 | DTRemenak | you certainly should |
| 01:34.04 | DTRemenak | more like weekly, if you actually use it |
| 01:34.22 | brlcad | wtf is up with the gu league servers |
| 01:34.23 | Epyon | I reboot like once per 2 months |
| 01:34.25 | Constitution | gotta love windows, heh |
| 01:34.36 | brlcad | DTRemenak: I did, and I was *shut out!* |
| 01:34.43 | brlcad | grr |
| 01:34.52 | Epyon | I my torrents just don't like reboots :P |
| 01:35.02 | brlcad | they don't allow talk and just kicks my client even though I'm identified |
| 01:35.04 | DTRemenak | brlcad: heh, removed from the league due to inactivity? :P |
| 01:35.53 | Epyon | Yet I'm quite proud that I havn't seen a bluescreen on my machine since the late 90s :P |
| 01:35.55 | brlcad | apparently, but the messages say nothing about the league |
| 01:36.01 | brlcad | they say I need to identify |
| 01:36.58 | brlcad | and/or register |
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| 01:37.18 | DTRemenak | yeah, I bet the spawn messages say that no matter where you set the spawn permission. probably ought to fix that. |
| 01:39.10 | brlcad | it's stupid to make it voiceless even when identified, there's zero feedback on what one needs to do |
| 01:39.23 | DTRemenak | server ops are free to be stupid |
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| 01:41.23 | brlcad | yeah, but that's what's bizarre :) |
| 01:41.29 | brlcad | it's quol.bzflag.bz |
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| 01:41.43 | yonotuyo | hey wayney |
| 01:41.45 | DTRemenak | heh |
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| 01:50.40 | yonotuyo | /close |
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| 02:14.40 | AAA_awright | Who wants to see a BZFlag server in PHP? |
| 02:14.40 | Epyon | What do you mean by server in PHP? :| |
| 02:14.43 | AAA_awright | A server that runs in the PHP scripting language... |
| 02:15.11 | KTL | scary |
| 02:15.18 | AAA_awright | It dosn't know how to respond to a request for a world file, so you need to use bzadmin to join labs.redjacket.ws:2001 |
| 02:15.34 | AAA_awright | and... you can't see other people that are connected |
| 02:16.01 | KTL | (/me waits for somebody slapping somebody with a large trouth or something likewise) |
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| 02:24.28 | Epyon | brlcad, yet seriously -- if you want to extend the playerbase, you realy need to make someone setup "newbie" servers. |
| 02:24.41 | KTL | :D |
| 02:24.42 | KTL | :D |
| 02:24.48 | blast007 | Epyon: I had one at one point :) |
| 02:24.49 | KTL | someone got shot:) |
| 02:25.02 | blast007 | but then I'd go play, and everyone would leave :( |
| 02:25.10 | KTL | yes |
| 02:25.12 | Epyon | No, I'm talking about taking care of BZF as an ongoing project. |
| 02:25.55 | Epyon | Autokick anyone that has a too big score advantage and tell him to go to the normal servers -- and that would take care of that :] |
| 02:26.03 | KTL | mWA |
| 02:26.15 | KTL | bweu :P |
| 02:26.25 | blast007 | not really |
| 02:26.35 | blast007 | cuz some people are REALLY bad |
| 02:26.45 | blast007 | so even the newbies can kick them around |
| 02:27.03 | blast007 | and you won't learn to play good if everyone is a newbie |
| 02:27.06 | KTL | and what newbies should do, is to look very carefully at what the good players do |
| 02:27.25 | KTL | because they get defeated by tricks |
| 02:27.36 | blast007 | or they shoot themselves |
| 02:27.39 | blast007 | :) |
| 02:27.51 | Epyon | But I'm serious. |
| 02:27.56 | blast007 | the map I run is rather prone to that |
| 02:28.04 | Epyon | I tried playing on quite a few servers. |
| 02:28.14 | KTL | ok the strongest players tend to scare the newbies away |
| 02:28.27 | Epyon | On most of them I've spent most of the time on the respawn animation :P |
| 02:28.28 | KTL | that is true |
| 02:28.31 | brlcad | Epyon: they're all newbie servers :) |
| 02:28.36 | KTL | :D |
| 02:28.42 | blast007 | Epyon: play on a server with less players then |
| 02:28.55 | brlcad | several people start them.. i'm sure there's probably a half dozen listed |
| 02:28.55 | blast007 | and one that doesn't crank up tank/shot speeds |
| 02:29.15 | brlcad | join and hang around .. and some others will probably come and smack you around some :) |
| 02:30.00 | KTL | to what server do we send him :D |
| 02:30.48 | blast007 | I'm sorta biased in that regard :) |
| 02:31.32 | KTL | pff randomly picking servers from the list results in ugly maps half the time |
| 02:31.36 | Epyon | And to think that I kick ass of most the Q3 players on my university :( |
| 02:32.04 | blast007 | KTL: there is a search function |
| 02:32.07 | blast007 | try "louman" |
| 02:32.44 | KTL | my god |
| 02:33.14 | KTL | hey i may be blind but i use that client so often that that does not count: that option is too well hidden!!! |
| 02:34.19 | Epyon | Stupid me. |
| 02:34.45 | Epyon | I just realized why the recent tries to jon a game have kicked me because of lag :/ |
| 02:35.01 | Epyon | I havn't paused my torrents :/ |
| 02:35.08 | DTRemenak | KTL: I tried to make it as visible as possible :P |
| 02:35.17 | DTRemenak | without being in the way |
| 02:35.26 | DTRemenak | if you have a better suggestion... ;) |
| 02:36.27 | KTL | optimising available space usage mmm |
| 02:37.16 | KTL | well the radar is empty in the beginning ... if the "press / to search" msg could be moved there |
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| 02:52.14 | SportChick | ~amcnabb++ |
| 02:52.27 | amcnabb | What did I do? :) |
| 02:52.33 | SportChick | :) |
| 02:53.03 | inchworm | ~lart amcnabb |
| 02:53.03 | ibot | cuts off amcnabb's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper |
| 02:57.58 | SportChick | amcnabb: surely you aren't saying you don't deserve it? |
| 03:00.20 | amcnabb | I'm sure I do. |
| 03:02.22 | KTL | is that answer clear to a native english speaker? |
| 03:04.44 | SportChick | KTL: yes |
| 03:04.55 | SportChick | amcnabb: then why argue? :p |
| 03:08.35 | inchworm | so it comes to "surely you are saying you do deserve it?" if you cancel out the negatives? |
| 03:10.07 | KTL | there is the logical answer and there is the natural answer, people i talk to tend to ignore the double negation |
| 03:10.12 | KTL | i mean |
| 03:10.24 | KTL | they don't cancel them out |
| 03:10.32 | KTL | but sometimes they do |
| 03:10.55 | KTL | anyway, sometimes i ask something with a double negation and afterwards I can punch myself for having asked it |
| 03:11.01 | inchworm | hehe |
| 03:11.57 | blast007 | JeffM2501FishBon: ah, just read more of the backlog on this channel and saw the mini pics :) |
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| 03:47.13 | Epyon | goodnight all :) |
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| 05:55.30 | eTangenT | oh my god |
| 05:55.39 | eTangenT | my ssh password does not work |
| 05:55.45 | eTangenT | it was working earlier today |
| 05:55.57 | eTangenT | well, that ain't good. |
| 05:56.54 | eTangenT | so if you're wondering why Missile War is down |
| 05:56.57 | eTangenT | it seems to have crashed |
| 05:57.02 | eTangenT | and my ssh pass changed |
| 05:57.23 | Constitution | doesn't sound good |
| 05:58.21 | eTangenT | it _isn't_ good |
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| 06:20.54 | mithro | brlcad: ping? |
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| 06:47.18 | jwir3|home | night all |
| 06:53.03 | hobbsc | night |
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| 07:11.22 | Manu | brlcad: wonder what? |
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| 08:09.41 | ts | ¡Hola Manu! |
| 08:10.42 | inferno285 | hi |
| 08:15.37 | Manu | hallo ts :) |
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| 13:00.09 | iCBG | -reportfile <filename>: the file to store reports in --- does this file need to exist or will bzfs create it for me? |
| 13:07.14 | brlcad | mithro: pong |
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| 13:16.20 | eTangenT | iCBG: bzfs will create it for you |
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| 13:18.13 | iCBG | thanks |
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| 13:49.22 | Epyon | -38 |
| 13:49.34 | Epyon | I guess that's enough for today's "research" xD |
| 13:52.32 | brlcad | hehe |
| 13:54.02 | Epyon | brlcad, I had a few questions but forgot them :( |
| 13:54.49 | Epyon | one was surely about the model loading -- I checked the binary distros files and couldn't figure out where and how are the models stored? |
| 13:55.23 | brlcad | the "models"? |
| 13:55.26 | Epyon | ygh, stupid me, they cannot be stored locally right? |
| 13:55.27 | brlcad | you mean the maps/worlds? |
| 13:55.30 | Epyon | The tank. |
| 13:55.35 | brlcad | ah, heh |
| 13:55.42 | brlcad | the tank is a hard-coded beast |
| 13:55.48 | Epyon | o.O |
| 13:55.53 | Epyon | That's baad. |
| 13:56.05 | Bz_Win | brlcad: what is the limit for the number of verticies in a map? (on an average map.) |
| 13:56.14 | brlcad | yeah, we've had it be an external model in various branches, but it never seems to survive |
| 13:56.18 | Epyon | Good question! |
| 13:56.22 | Bz_Win | err, average computer |
| 13:56.24 | Bz_Win | :p |
| 13:56.55 | brlcad | Bz_Win: depends entirely on the video card .. average is such a "swag" value |
| 13:57.05 | brlcad | trepan had it easily handling millions |
| 13:57.35 | Bz_Win | that was with drawinfo, tho? |
| 13:57.44 | brlcad | and depends if you provide LODs in the map as well, forget what that exact tradeoff curve looked like |
| 13:58.01 | Epyon | Uh, that reminded me my question -- |
| 13:58.18 | Epyon | Is there support for pre-placed powerups? Like the quake Quad Damage? |
| 14:00.01 | ruskie | hmm should be able to assign zones where a certain flag can spawn... |
| 14:00.07 | ruskie | iirc |
| 14:00.32 | brlcad | yeah, what he said |
| 14:00.45 | ruskie | :) |
| 14:00.52 | Epyon | As I see it, a good thought out design of a level with preplaced flags could be fun :| |
| 14:01.00 | ruskie | I'm planing to use that in my labyrinth map |
| 14:01.12 | Epyon | Yet new images/models should be used for the flags. |
| 14:01.21 | Epyon | Is there a possibility to do that? |
| 14:01.34 | ruskie | as soon as I brush up all the finer details like finishing some parts of it and adding various traps |
| 14:01.40 | Epyon | Gimme some screenshots of "good looking" maps btw :) |
| 14:02.00 | ruskie | imho viper is quite a good looking map ;) |
| 14:02.02 | brlcad | ~seen jude- |
| 14:02.29 | ibot | jude- <n=jude-@c-68-84-206-92.hsd1.ar.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 11h 15m 1s ago, saying: 'see you all later'. |
| 14:02.29 | ruskie | two castles that is |
| 14:02.30 | Epyon | link/sshot? |
| 14:02.30 | ruskie | connect to viper2.pimpi.org ingame and look at it :) |
| 14:02.33 | A-Delusion | louman's churchyard looks great, a lot of lou's maps do. |
| 14:02.48 | Epyon | ok, brb :P |
| 14:05.06 | brlcad | Epyon: as mentioned before, there are certainly very distinct "styles" of maps, even just from a pure geometric placement perspective and usually counterbalanced by an opposing style .. lots of detail and realistic vs minimal detail with playability for example |
| 14:05.43 | menotume | ~Chestal++ |
| 14:05.48 | brlcad | lou's maps are very much on the more "detailed" end of the spectrum in comparison to traditional maps |
| 14:05.56 | menotume | brlcad: wait till i'm done what ? |
| 14:05.58 | menotume | rating ? |
| 14:07.10 | Epyon | brlcad, the "art" is to combine good looking-ness with playability :> |
| 14:07.10 | Manu | menotume: rating, mentoring ;) |
| 14:07.10 | menotume | okies |
| 14:07.10 | Manu | hurry up :) |
| 14:07.11 | Epyon | BTW is it possible to set up "instadeath floor"? |
| 14:07.11 | menotume | yay :) |
| 14:07.11 | brlcad | Epyon: yes .. understand .. so maybe consider even the simplest case of playability .. how would you add good looking-ness to a ducati-style map without impairing playability? |
| 14:07.15 | Manu | menotume: 1) rate GSOC 2) click "I'm willing to mentor this application" ;) |
| 14:07.25 | Epyon | Because with all that jumping there's a reason to create maps in "space". |
| 14:07.28 | brlcad | yes.. for all of them *ahem* |
| 14:07.53 | ruskie | Epyon, sure you can create insta-death |
| 14:08.06 | Epyon | brlcad, I'm sorry to dissapoint you, but I still don't get the term "ducati-style" :P |
| 14:08.11 | brlcad | Epyon: there have been maps "in space" .. there's a wings flag that lets you fly around |
| 14:08.35 | Epyon | brlcad, what I meant is that the whole game revolves above ground level. |
| 14:08.38 | brlcad | rather curiously interesting side-effect maps that we hadn't planned on when we'd added wings actually |
| 14:09.06 | Manu | Epyon: just curiosity, what was your application? :) |
| 14:09.06 | brlcad | yep, there is no ground on these maps :) |
| 14:09.14 | Epyon | Good ^^ |
| 14:09.50 | Epyon | Because that's a great base for playable "jumping" maps that still look semi-believable and good looking :> |
| 14:10.29 | brlcad | perhaps just remember that there's jumping, flying, and grounded |
| 14:10.32 | Epyon | I already see an algo for that somewhere... I guess it stuck somewhere in the left brain hemi ^_^ |
| 14:11.02 | Epyon | Believable random flying maps will be hard :P |
| 14:11.13 | brlcad | for procedural creation, grounded is probably a base situation.. the others just add one or more degrees of freedom |
| 14:11.16 | Epyon | ground based will be the easiest. |
| 14:11.51 | brlcad | so sayeth you, I have my doubts ;) |
| 14:11.59 | brlcad | (in terms of playability) |
| 14:12.01 | Epyon | But that would not be enough challenging to only stick to those xD. |
| 14:12.10 | menotume | Epyon: 'Ducati-style' = no humping, 2 shots, no superflags, ctf, random generated map |
| 14:12.26 | brlcad | heh, menotume ... i don't think humping is allowed on most maps |
| 14:12.26 | menotume | try dub.bzflag.org:5154 |
| 14:12.36 | menotume | noh my :) |
| 14:12.44 | brlcad | hehe |
| 14:12.55 | menotume | i come up with some good typos |
| 14:13.02 | Epyon | And you ask how to make a "ducati-style" map "nice looking" without changing gameplay? |
| 14:13.24 | Epyon | This one's easy :> |
| 14:13.25 | brlcad | sure |
| 14:13.30 | menotume | hmm, i wouldn't know how to do that :) |
| 14:13.59 | Epyon | It came to my mind the first time you were talking when the word "pyramid" came up xD |
| 14:14.14 | brlcad | have you played ducati-style yet? |
| 14:14.17 | Manu | Epyon: probably the map isn't very important in ducati style |
| 14:14.19 | Epyon | Yup :> |
| 14:14.26 | brlcad | did you do well? :) |
| 14:14.27 | Epyon | I know, but still :P |
| 14:14.36 | Epyon | brlcad, you must be joking xD |
| 14:14.55 | brlcad | that tends to aggregate the best overall players because it focuses on particular skills |
| 14:14.59 | Manu | Epyon: ducaty style is only for one hand players ;) |
| 14:15.00 | Manu | hehe |
| 14:15.08 | menotume | not worse, just different |
| 14:15.18 | menotume | just changing -density would change it |
| 14:15.29 | brlcad | you can get away with jumping and half-hazzard shots on the other maps, but ducati-style requires various strategic skills |
| 14:15.41 | Manu | it riochet is enabled, allowing nice rico is good :) |
| 14:15.51 | brlcad | menotume: keep same density, but imagine different structures |
| 14:15.57 | brlcad | a house instead of a box |
| 14:16.09 | Epyon | brlcad, by the way you talk I would normally guess that you're against my proposal then :| |
| 14:16.11 | menotume | ok, changing rico gameplay :) |
| 14:16.23 | menotume | or, ok |
| 14:16.25 | menotume | i see |
| 14:16.26 | brlcad | Epyon: oh heck no, i think you're misunderstanding something :) |
| 14:16.39 | brlcad | i'm saying it's a base case is all |
| 14:16.41 | menotume | Epyon: which propsal ? |
| 14:16.54 | Epyon | brlcad, I know that hardcore players will still play hardcore -- that's how the world is :P |
| 14:17.17 | Epyon | I knew two guys who spent like 2-3 hours daily playing 1vs1 on the same Q2 map. |
| 14:17.24 | menotume | Komel ? |
| 14:17.34 | brlcad | what is your overall goal? |
| 14:17.37 | Epyon | Which was basicaly a big empty box with zero gravity and railguns :> |
| 14:18.29 | brlcad | to make realistic looking cities? to make quake-style maps? to determine playability metrics and procedurally generate towards those? |
| 14:18.52 | Epyon | brlcad, overall goal is to allow people enjoy various good gameplay styles without the need to download additional maps. |
| 14:19.19 | Epyon | Eye-candy of the maps is an option that can be on or off. |
| 14:20.08 | brlcad | erm, "without the need to download additinoal maps" .. maps are defined by the servers and provided to the clients when they connect (or are stored locally for local gameplay) |
| 14:20.13 | brlcad | okay, so eye-candy aside |
| 14:20.38 | brlcad | my understanding is that you're procedurally generating maps |
| 14:20.40 | Epyon | It's just a question on which "level" to break the generation. If you break it on the "objects" level you'll have a tactical layout only map. If you go further additional, non-gameplayaffecting detail will be added. |
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| 14:21.28 | Epyon | But surely I'd prefer to make "tacticaly interesting" maps over "good looking" ones. |
| 14:21.59 | brlcad | is that your preference? (they're both viable, I'm just asking) ;) |
| 14:22.37 | Epyon | brlcad, this is an easy question -- why waste time on achiving realy great eyecandy if no one will want to look at it afterward? ;] |
| 14:22.40 | brlcad | personally, I'd see value in both :) |
| 14:22.52 | Epyon | So do I :P |
| 14:23.14 | ruskie | hmm I've seen a great city map a while ago... |
| 14:23.31 | Epyon | That's why I will initialy experiment with generating levels that are still not "abstract" but yet playable :P |
| 14:24.17 | Epyon | Yet it akes me now to try to improve ducati-style looks without affecting gameplay :P |
| 14:24.46 | Epyon | (but I wouldn't consider that part of the project -- just personal interest :P) |
| 14:25.16 | Epyon | "<brlcad> to make realistic looking cities? to make quake-style maps? to determine playability metrics and procedurally generate towards those?" <-- Do I see a bias here? ^^ |
| 14:25.26 | Bz_Win | Have you considered that some of use don't want realistic looks? |
| 14:25.33 | ruskie | yeah |
| 14:26.50 | Epyon | I'm being bashed already for seeing things different :> |
| 14:26.54 | Epyon | "<Epyon> It's just a question on which "level" to break the generation. If you break it on the "objects" level you'll have a tactical layout only map. If you go further additional, non-gameplayaffecting detail will be added." |
| 14:27.17 | Bz_Win | Not bashing. |
| 14:27.20 | Bz_Win | Simply stating. |
| 14:27.48 | ruskie | yeah it's called a discussion |
| 14:27.58 | Epyon | I'm kiddin' :P |
| 14:28.43 | Bz_Win | brb |
| 14:28.54 | Epyon | Bz_Win, but also remember that it's the same as telling "implementing CTF is useless because many people will still play FFA" |
| 14:29.38 | ruskie | I guess the best way to go here would be a poll why do you like playing map foo: map bar: etc... |
| 14:29.50 | ruskie | then you see what are the main reasons |
| 14:29.54 | Epyon | ruskie, that's already included in my app ;] |
| 14:30.04 | Epyon | I plan to do a lot of research on that. |
| 14:30.24 | ruskie | personaly I'd probably have to drop playing bzflag if the eye candy would go much higher then it is currently... |
| 14:31.46 | Epyon | There is no such thing as an ultimate guide which map is most playable. There are different things that different people seek. What I hope to achieve though, is seperating out at least some basic classes of abstraction, and creating seperate generation algos for each. |
| 14:31.49 | brlcad | Epyon: one of the things to get used to in here is that you'll get smothered in just about every conceivable position and opinion |
| 14:32.17 | Epyon | brlcad, apart from being a "big family"? xD |
| 14:32.19 | brlcad | no matter what the idea, there will be some that like and and some that hate it .. take it with a grain of salt until you get a feel for the meritocracy and personalities ;) |
| 14:32.39 | brlcad | some people don't like anything :) |
| 14:32.54 | menotume | i don't like that ! |
| 14:32.59 | Epyon | Yeah, yet being the only defender of one's idea makes that idea seem useless xD |
| 14:33.02 | brlcad | yet for some bizarre reason keep playing whatever is thrown at them |
| 14:33.20 | Epyon | But I hope that it will change after the first results will be presented :) |
| 14:33.49 | brlcad | even if you only focused on one style/approach, the results should be good |
| 14:34.36 | Epyon | Well as I see it, at least the vanilla bzf server without any maps will have lot more options for maps. |
| 14:34.50 | Epyon | And that imho is a good thing. |
| 14:34.59 | brlcad | all I was saying earlier (/me beats dead cow) is that it would seem to be that there are various knobs and dials that the generator could take into account that would affect the content produced and that it could still span the various styles/maps/etc biasless |
| 14:35.44 | Epyon | understood. |
| 14:36.47 | brlcad | what would ultimately be nice is a bzfs option ala --procedural-random or somesuch that could then generate the map based on the other start-up parameters of the server (or it could be entirely outboard, but integrated would get more use) |
| 14:40.18 | Epyon | I see it as presets with 2-3 variables. That is you take a random maptype "city" and adjust sliders for "density", "blockiness", "squareness" and "height/levels" or leave them at default (which is set for maximum average playability) and go. If you want to tweak it further you'd have to edit "city.def". (very vauge example, but I hope it illustrates the point) |
| 14:42.32 | Epyon | (of course there will be also a seed parameter to guarantee same maps for tourneys, etc) |
| 14:45.01 | menotume | so, one could have a 'fixed' map by using the seed, and know params, that's good |
| 14:45.33 | brlcad | DTRemenak: ping |
| 14:45.45 | Epyon | menotume, yup. I guess that is almost a must :). |
| 14:46.08 | menotume | ya, if I see a map that i really like, i'd wnat to be able to /list the params |
| 14:46.22 | menotume | so, i could get it again, or use it on my server, etc |
| 14:46.27 | Epyon | Yes. |
| 14:46.53 | menotume | so, this would all be in pascal? :P |
| 14:46.55 | menotume | j/k |
| 14:47.04 | Epyon | Why should it be in pascal? |
| 14:47.28 | Epyon | Anyway, I don't even know if it would be possible to do such an integration :P |
| 14:48.17 | menotume | just kidding |
| 14:48.23 | menotume | i know you like to tinker with it |
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| 14:48.40 | Epyon | menotume, bad joke, especialy that it suggests that pascal isn't capable of doing that :> |
| 14:48.56 | menotume | on Z80, many moons agoo |
| 14:49.15 | Epyon | Well, today FreePascal is the only option, I'd guess. |
| 14:49.42 | Epyon | Delphi is not portable, and others are too week. |
| 14:49.50 | Epyon | weak* |
| 14:54.44 | menotume | our pascal was nice |
| 14:54.57 | menotume | efficient (even on 4mhz z80) |
| 14:55.02 | Epyon | :) |
| 14:55.10 | menotume | built-in memory mapping (to go above 64K) |
| 14:56.33 | menotume | POS system for restaurants. no hard drive, entire database was in memory, with code :) |
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| 14:56.59 | menotume | ahh, those were the days :P |
| 14:57.26 | brlcad | daxxar: ping |
| 14:57.36 | menotume | sure, of course, just reminising |
| 14:57.45 | Epyon | brlcad, no problem ;] |
| 14:58.03 | Epyon | BTW does BZF support any scripting language? |
| 14:58.25 | brlcad | depends what you mean by that |
| 14:58.28 | Epyon | And what format you use for human readable datafiles? |
| 14:58.29 | brlcad | :) |
| 14:58.51 | Epyon | My second question probably answers that :P |
| 14:59.00 | menotume | heh, proprietary simple text |
| 14:59.45 | brlcad | Epyon: server operators specify a map to the bzflag server (bzfs) |
| 14:59.56 | Epyon | Any built in parser for it, or would I have to write it myself? |
| 15:00.01 | brlcad | that map is a text file format that we maintain |
| 15:00.13 | brlcad | depends how you integrate |
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| 15:00.32 | brlcad | there's of course a parser built into the server as well as all of the routines that you could just directly call as well |
| 15:00.42 | brlcad | there are routines in both the server and client to read/write the files |
| 15:00.52 | brlcad | otherwise, it's fairly simple format |
| 15:00.52 | brlcad | http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZW |
| 15:01.28 | brlcad | pretty extensive documentation there |
| 15:01.39 | brlcad | all accessible from within the server process |
| 15:02.19 | Epyon | can I easily directly load such a textfile to BZF to see the results? |
| 15:02.24 | brlcad | if you made your code be an outboard tool, you'd of course have to at least output that format yourself (which would be fairly simple) |
| 15:02.47 | brlcad | to the server, yes |
| 15:03.04 | brlcad | bzfs -world name_of_file.bzw |
| 15:03.14 | brlcad | then join that server with the client |
| 15:05.03 | Epyon | true that the easiest way would be to write a commandline tool to output the world textfiles, but that would be a poor mans solution. But I think it would be good to start with that for initial tests tough. |
| 15:05.08 | Epyon | though* |
| 15:06.06 | Epyon | brb |
| 15:13.07 | brlcad | the server presently has options (see http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFS_Command_Line_Options ) for -world (the map), -density (density of buildings), -worldsize (size of map), -cr (random building CTF map), as well as options for all of the other aspects like whether or not there are flags, different gravity, teams, jumping or not, number of shots and types of weapons, etc |
| 15:13.57 | brlcad | there is also a server plugin interface where you can write plugins in C++ or Python with various functionality exposed (not sure if you can get to the geometry from the API, but it could be added) |
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| 15:20.24 | tadd | anybody know who is responsible for updating http://bzflag.org/wiki/SampleBatchFile |
| 15:21.02 | tadd | when I load http://bzflag.org/wiki/SampleBatchFile I see foul language at the bottom of the file and it probably should get fixed |
| 15:21.09 | brlcad | it's actually fairly trivial to add new bzfs options.. that why my initial inclination was do basically hook into doing something like the -cr option which creates and delivers a random map .. you'd have a -whatever option that would then generate your maps (in memory) and deliver them -- and you'd have full knowledge of all server settings |
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| 15:22.50 | brlcad | tadd: that wiki page is obsolete |
| 15:22.58 | brlcad | refer to the new wiki page at http://my.bzflag.org/w/Rotating_Maps |
| 15:23.20 | brlcad | and otherwise.. it's a wiki.. which means it's your responsibility to update it ;) |
| 15:23.50 | *** part/#bzflag gerard_ (n=gerard@ip9135960b.speed.planet.nl) |
| 15:24.56 | tadd | ah. well.. I should at least delete the nasty comments at the bottom |
| 15:25.04 | tadd | a prominent link to the new copy would also be nice |
| 15:25.07 | brlcad | i already did |
| 15:25.11 | brlcad | there is.. on the main link |
| 15:25.11 | tadd | oh thanks. |
| 15:25.16 | tadd | main? |
| 15:25.23 | brlcad | how'd you get to that page? |
| 15:26.04 | tadd | don't remember. I bookmarked it a while ago.. months to years. I don't remember |
| 15:26.13 | brlcad | ah |
| 15:26.31 | tadd | thanks for cleaning it up! |
| 15:26.45 | tadd | I don't know how to do more than read wiki. |
| 15:26.47 | brlcad | yeah, you can't traverse to it so easily any more.. the wiki link on http://bzflag.org/ takes you to http://my.bzflag.org/w/ |
| 15:26.56 | tadd | ok thanks. |
| 15:27.01 | brlcad | wiki means *you* can edit it :) |
| 15:27.06 | brlcad | quickly and easily |
| 15:27.18 | brlcad | especially with the new wiki -- just click the "edit" tab |
| 15:27.24 | brlcad | loads of new information |
| 15:27.38 | tadd | ok. i'll play. |
| 15:27.41 | brlcad | read the "Be Bold!!" link on http://my.bzflag.org/w/Main_Page :) |
| 15:28.32 | tadd | ok great. |
| 15:28.35 | tadd | and have to register. |
| 15:28.37 | tadd | will do |
| 15:28.53 | tadd | good job. Thanks for all the great work. |
| 15:29.26 | brlcad | dont' have to register |
| 15:29.29 | brlcad | for most pages |
| 15:29.42 | brlcad | but you do for a few critical pages (like the main page) |
| 15:29.49 | brlcad | in order to minimize abuse |
| 15:30.29 | tadd | ok. great. I let myself get afraid of opening myself up to new software to learn. Microsoft has trained me that doing so leads to frustration. Most open-source projects are much better but it takes a lot to overcome MS-instilled fear. |
| 15:32.14 | brlcad | registering is still good if you want to retain or build up a reputation for your efforts, but if you want to just be anonymous or make minor edits, the wiki actually highly encourages you to just make them |
| 15:33.11 | tadd | ok good. I'll register. I am a firm believer in reputation. |
| 15:33.49 | tadd | this registration is different than the bzflag.org/bb ? |
| 15:34.00 | brlcad | at the moment (unfortunately) yes |
| 15:34.10 | brlcad | we're looking at integrating the two, but non-trivial |
| 15:34.33 | tadd | ok. tadd was not taken. yipee! |
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| 15:35.36 | tadd | Snak bailed on me. |
| 15:35.48 | tadd | It now wants an annual renewal of registration. |
| 15:36.02 | iCBG | tadd: on OS X ? |
| 15:36.11 | tadd | bandits. They didn't tell me that several years ago when I paid them the first time |
| 15:36.13 | tadd | yes. MacOSX |
| 15:36.22 | tadd | got a recommended IRC client? |
| 15:36.25 | iCBG | Try Colloquy - it can be buggy but offers the best feature rich irc client for mac, imho. |
| 15:36.38 | tadd | ok thanks |
| 15:37.13 | tadd | downloading now! |
| 15:37.58 | iCBG | :) Sure. |
| 15:38.19 | iCBG | Like I said, it can be buggy, has often crashed on me - but imo, it's still the best despite this. |
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| 15:38.43 | tadd | ok. will be on in a few via Colloquy. Wife calling |
| 15:40.55 | tadd | back in a sec if it all works |
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| 15:41.27 | tadd | pretty looking interface |
| 15:41.30 | tadd | lookin good. |
| 15:41.37 | iCBG | :) |
| 15:41.37 | tadd | thanks |
| 15:42.47 | iCBG | If you find yourself annoyed with it for whatever reason, you may like to try Conversation - more iChat style I believe. |
| 15:43.09 | poolio | irssi ftw :) |
| 15:44.21 | Bz_Win | x chat aqua :) |
| 15:45.53 | brlcad | ircle isn't too bad either |
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| 15:47.29 | poolio | brlcad: on a mac? |
| 15:51.25 | brlcad | yep |
| 15:51.34 | brlcad | it is/was the most popular mac client |
| 15:52.05 | brlcad | snak might have overtaken recently, but it's an "old timer" with tons of features |
| 15:52.26 | brlcad | http://www.ircle.com/ |
| 15:53.12 | DTRemenak | brlcad: pong |
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| 15:59.05 | ruskie | so when power fail have to recreate the db? |
| 15:59.35 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I'll do ogre one too, or purpie may want it as well |
| 16:00.00 | JeffM2501 | or an editor |
| 16:00.36 | brlcad | JeffM2501: I know |
| 16:00.36 | JeffM2501 | tho I guess it dosn't mater cept for write up |
| 16:00.45 | brlcad | i didn't want to double up anyone outright though |
| 16:00.59 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 16:01.19 | brlcad | there's complications on the game engine and AI ones |
| 16:01.31 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 16:02.03 | JeffM2501 | good students is hard to keep :) |
| 16:03.38 | DTRemenak | indeed |
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| 16:07.35 | brlcad | i've requested feedback from the engine guys, to see |
| 16:08.00 | brlcad | the ogre guy wasn't guaranteed with plan 9 as they weren't done, but somewhat likely |
| 16:08.14 | brlcad | the cs guy is pretty much guaranteed if he wanted to work with them |
| 16:11.05 | brlcad | menotume is supposed to finish his rankings today, dunno about jb --riker said he's mostly done but not to wait up |
| 16:15.41 | JeffM2501 | well we'll get what we get then |
| 16:15.51 | JeffM2501 | if we have to do another engine ourselves, we'll do it |
| 16:18.09 | brlcad | there are other decent "backup" engine proposals |
| 16:18.09 | tadd | am back. thanks brlcad |
| 16:20.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah we can at least mentor the other ogre guy to do what wer want |
| 16:28.09 | Epyon | BTW, if anyone were to write a 3dsmax exporter for BZW would anyone care enough to put it somewhere? |
| 16:28.30 | brlcad | sure, we have a tools and misc dir for that stuff |
| 16:29.13 | Epyon | Because looking at BZW I see that it might be a reasonably simple task in maxscript. |
| 16:30.06 | brlcad | it's a reasonably simple task from just about any existing editor |
| 16:30.10 | KTL | (so only 3ds owners can run it?) |
| 16:30.39 | brlcad | doesn't make it useful :) |
| 16:33.48 | brlcad | long-term viability would be to ideally either 1) integrate into bzfs (direct or as plugin), 2) integrate into bzedit (which doesn't really exist yet), or 3) be an external tool that simply generates bzw files |
| 16:34.05 | brlcad | probably in that order of preference too would be my guess |
| 16:36.26 | Epyon | I was talking about the maxscript exporter completely unrelated to GSOC :P |
| 16:37.38 | Epyon | I was thinking about it more like a way to learn the BZW format :P |
| 16:38.07 | brlcad | if you do 1, you wouldn't necessarily need to know the format |
| 16:38.29 | brlcad | just the object types and corresponding api calls |
| 16:38.33 | Epyon | brlcad, I would need to know the internal format then :P |
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| 16:39.00 | brlcad | and for that you have an existing code path all laid out that does the basics (-cr) |
| 16:41.37 | Epyon | brlcad, BTW out of curiosity -- how do the apps handle research time usualy? During the coding time, or before? |
| 16:42.37 | iCBG | ~seen TimRiker |
| 16:43.08 | ibot | timriker <n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 18h 11m 56s ago, saying: 'I'll likely do more, but don't wait for me.'. |
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| 16:50.10 | inchworm | question with regard to the masterban policy. On the wiki, it states that you will not be masterbanned do to behavior on #bzflag, but reading the masterban list, someone was apperently masterbanned for just that |
| 16:50.28 | inchworm | s/do/due/ |
| 16:51.43 | brlcad | Epyon: both during and before, but it's supposed to be predominantly before (hence the two months lead up time) |
| 16:51.56 | brlcad | so that come summer, it's just code code code |
| 16:55.30 | Epyon | So, were there applications with people squeezing in research into the code schedule? ;] |
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| 17:15.04 | brlcad | Epyon: the line between "research" and implementation discovery is a bit fuzzy, but yes some did allow for a little bit of "code experimentation" where it made sense |
| 17:16.45 | brlcad | that is generally, though, for ideas where there was user-testing and feedback involved |
| 17:17.10 | brlcad | like changes to the menus would necessarily be interactive and require lots of research/testing/feedback/reiteration |
| 17:18.30 | brlcad | good morning jwir3 |
| 17:18.47 | jwir3 | hi everyone |
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| 18:03.33 | Flash | tadd: I'm using MacIrssi for an IRC client |
| 18:11.24 | tadd | ok |
| 18:11.44 | tadd | I'm in and out, playing bzflag |
| 18:13.48 | brlcad | good |
| 18:13.52 | brlcad | we were worried |
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| 18:14.12 | tadd | nice to know people care |
| 18:15.17 | Manu | tadd: don't play too much ;) |
| 18:15.36 | tadd | I don't either. but am today. |
| 18:16.01 | tadd | I do run a server that people have their maps on though and I am pretty good about reading the log files and such |
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| 19:12.34 | iCBG | ~seen TimRiker |
| 19:13.02 | ibot | timriker <n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 20h 41m 50s ago, saying: 'I'll likely do more, but don't wait for me.'. |
| 19:20.56 | iCBG | What's the perm for a hidden admin ? |
| 19:21.21 | a_meteorite | look at the wiki |
| 19:21.55 | iCBG | The man pages should still hold such information. :/ |
| 19:22.19 | Bz_Win | eek! its the apple version of CBG |
| 19:23.08 | Bz_Win | ah :D |
| 19:23.22 | iCBG | I don't see the perm here: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Server_Permissions |
| 19:27.00 | Manu | restorer: ping |
| 19:33.37 | tadd | hiddenadmin? |
| 19:34.09 | tadd | LOCAL.HIDE: hideAdmin |
| 19:36.10 | tadd | ooh ooh. made my first wiki change ever. |
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| 19:40.33 | Dragon | yo |
| 19:40.51 | Dragon | anyone? |
| 19:41.00 | donny_baker | talk |
| 19:41.09 | Dragon | :D |
| 19:41.15 | Dragon | how are you |
| 19:41.26 | donny_baker | fine thanks |
| 19:41.36 | Dragon | np |
| 19:42.04 | Dragon | i havent played bz in a long time :) |
| 19:42.20 | delusional_ | when I put noradar on a meshbox, it's showing up in some radar modes, not others, anybody got a fix for this? |
| 19:42.46 | Dragon | i think its a setting |
| 19:43.04 | Dragon | you might have it set wrong |
| 19:43.26 | a_meteorite | delusional_: it was designed that way, your latest greatest map will have to go without |
| 19:43.51 | Dragon | hi met |
| 19:44.38 | Dragon | well im goin to talk to thumper cya |
| 19:45.01 | a_meteorite | um, ok, you don't have to tell us everything |
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| 19:46.19 | Dragon | met-cranky |
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| 19:49.45 | Dragon | hi |
| 19:51.52 | Bz_Win | you left and joined in a 5min span. not saying hi. |
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| 21:39.04 | codergeek42 | bzfx is back \o/ |
| 21:39.16 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 21:44.06 | Bz_Win | ~lart BZFX |
| 21:44.06 | ibot | frags BZFX with his BFG9000 |
| 21:44.33 | a_meteorite | meani |
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| 21:45.35 | codergeek42 | :< |
| 21:45.38 | codergeek42 | ~lart Bz_Win |
| 21:45.38 | ibot | wallops Bz_Win with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long |
| 21:46.34 | Bz_Win | smeh :> |
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| 21:50.13 | halo3 | TimRiker: can i have my avatar privs back sence jeff took them away along time ago? |
| 21:50.52 | TimRiker | well if jeff took them away, then you should really talk to jeff about it. |
| 21:51.03 | halo3 | kk |
| 21:51.32 | TimRiker | I don't know the history, so I have no input. |
| 21:51.44 | halo3 | o well my sig was to big |
| 21:52.28 | Bz_Win | a long time ago? |
| 21:52.29 | Bz_Win | more like 2 weeks ago. |
| 21:52.41 | halo3 | well thats awil ago |
| 21:52.48 | Bz_Win | haha, right |
| 21:52.52 | halo3 | it is |
| 21:53.20 | Bz_Win | inchworm, your special :) |
| 21:53.22 | halo3 | me nether lol |
| 21:53.59 | Bz_Win | ~steal inchworm's short bus |
| 21:54.01 | ibot | ACTION grabs inchworm's short bus and gives it to bz_win |
| 21:54.15 | inchworm | woo, now Bz_Win can ride the short bus |
| 21:54.28 | Bz_Win | but you can't :D |
| 21:55.05 | inchworm | considered the connotation i'm using short bus in, i'll let you have it |
| 21:55.31 | Bz_Win | horay |
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| 21:57.01 | L4m3r | ha, the other day I was riding a Santa Monica Big Blue bus |
| 21:57.04 | iCBG | damn!! missed mr riker |
| 21:57.20 | iCBG | been waiting for him for like 12 hours... |
| 21:57.23 | L4m3r | and a school bus passed us, and all the high schoolers were making faces and stuff... they all looked retarded |
| 21:57.31 | inchworm | hehe |
| 21:57.34 | Bz_Win | We're still here, CBG! :p |
| 21:57.43 | iCBG | but you suck... |
| 21:57.45 | L4m3r | I was tempted to yell at them "That's the longest short bus I've ever seen!" |
| 21:57.46 | Bz_Win | Yeah |
| 21:57.51 | Bz_Win | I know |
| 21:58.26 | Bz_Win | He's from aple, so he is shiny |
| 21:58.35 | inchworm | ohhh, shinneyy |
| 21:58.38 | Bz_Win | Ooh... dinner time |
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| 22:22.07 | Bz_Win | back |
| 22:25.45 | iCBG | front |
| 22:26.24 | a_meteorite | you so don't want to play that game with CBG |
| 22:26.54 | iCBG | a_meteorite: knows. |
| 22:26.59 | Bz_Win | top |
| 22:27.37 | iCBG | if you prefer it that way, sure |
| 22:27.46 | Bz_Win | side |
| 22:28.00 | iCBG | or that |
| 22:28.13 | a_meteorite | CBG likes it all ways |
| 22:28.15 | iCBG | playing hard to get? |
| 22:33.04 | iCBG | wow, kinki for your first time |
| 22:33.09 | KTL | ductape ductape ductape! |
| 22:33.24 | KTL | and then against the ceiling! andthen repainting the room |
| 22:34.16 | a_meteorite | no, you're supposed to use ducktape. we wanna get rid of him. |
| 22:37.56 | Bz_Win | haha |
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| 22:38.06 | Bz_Win | playing the hide the desktop icons thing on my dad's pc |
| 22:38.13 | a_meteorite | lmao |
| 22:38.35 | a_meteorite | take a screenshot of his desktop and move all his icons somewhere else trick? |
| 22:38.50 | blast007 | heh |
| 22:38.51 | Bz_Win | hide the icons |
| 22:38.51 | Bz_Win | yeah |
| 22:39.08 | a_meteorite | that'll get him ;) |
| 22:39.14 | blast007 | I did that once at school, and then mirrored all the real icons onto the right side of the screen |
| 22:39.15 | Bz_Win | "any ideas whats going on?" |
| 22:39.18 | Bz_Win | "nope." |
| 22:42.53 | Bz_Win | this map is working out better then I expected :) |
| 22:50.10 | Bz_Win | brlcad: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8932 <-- some guy woke a 7 month old topic, may want to delete it |
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| 22:52.05 | L4m3r | done |
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| 23:11.31 | KTL | correction, i got 53 ip's ... |
| 23:14.29 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r13955 10/branches/v2_0_cs_branch/bzflag/src/bzflag/Player.cxx: Don't draw tank in cockpit |
| 23:17.03 | inchworm | KTL: MPI is your friend if it is installed... |
| 23:17.40 | KTL | yes i think there is one, not sure it they configured it as one cluster |
| 23:17.57 | KTL | in fact the main problem is the availability of packages |
| 23:18.05 | KTL | I allmost don't have headers there |
| 23:18.29 | KTL | i could try to get the deb package myself en dpkg it in one of my own directories |
| 23:18.35 | KTL | but then all the path variables wont work yet |
| 23:19.10 | KTL | this is a very general problem so someone should have automated userspace installations somehow |
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| 23:53.33 | iCBG | Does anyone know if Mr Riker is likely to log back on within the next hour? |
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| 23:54.51 | trepan | fwiw, used the BZFlag font textures and .fmt files for another project: http://spring.clan-sy.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=177879#177879 |
