| 00:02.11 | a_meteorite | hey trepan |
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| 00:09.08 | brlcad | howdy señor trepan |
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| 00:10.00 | brlcad | interesting results |
| 00:10.19 | trepan | their current system uses a texture per glyph :) |
| 00:10.50 | trepan | and to worsen the situation, I added a hacky font outline by rendering each char 9 times |
| 00:11.47 | trepan | and, hola! |
| 00:13.31 | brlcad | hehe |
| 00:13.47 | brlcad | rather funny |
| 00:15.00 | brlcad | "hell, even going through a darn scripting layer is faster than what's there .. c'mon guys!" |
| 00:16.31 | trepan | your "reading between the lines" skills have not diminished |
| 00:17.13 | brlcad | very pretty shiney, what's their render layer? |
| 00:17.40 | trepan | mind you, if i do cache the strings in display lists, then the lua overhead becomes negligible |
| 00:18.02 | trepan | they use OpenGL, without any real material management |
| 00:18.18 | brlcad | i mean geometry/scene |
| 00:18.21 | trepan | or as I like to call it, GL cowboy code |
| 00:18.55 | brlcad | custom scene management or one of the various engines |
| 00:19.03 | trepan | custom |
| 00:20.09 | brlcad | nice |
| 00:20.52 | brlcad | so.. luaui is .. portable enough to drive bz's petty menu/hud? :) |
| 00:21.02 | trepan | yup |
| 00:21.38 | trepan | but you'd want to look into tying it into your scene/material manager |
| 00:21.42 | brlcad | presume it does it's own opengl as needed? |
| 00:21.47 | brlcad | how's it get a graphics context? |
| 00:21.48 | trepan | (crystal space?) |
| 00:21.57 | trepan | it assumes a GL context exists |
| 00:22.31 | brlcad | tupone's been making quite a bit of progress with CS |
| 00:22.43 | trepan | the LuaUI stuff is but one of 4 different scripts that can use the lua GL library, the other three are all synchronous scripts |
| 00:22.45 | brlcad | looks like one or two gsoc students will be trying CS and/or OGRE |
| 00:23.44 | trepan | you should definitely look into having a LuaUI type interface, it really is quite flexible |
| 00:24.37 | trepan | as well as integrating the LuaOpenGL stuff, you'd also have to expose your own data though (the LuaUI data is all spring specific, GetSelectedUnits(), GetUnitsInRectangle(), etc...) |
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| 00:25.58 | brlcad | is the basic idea that it adds a lua interpreter to the runtime that then has hooks for various commands that drive the gui? |
| 00:26.50 | brlcad | so from C++ land or some in-game interpreter prompt, you can feed commands? |
| 00:27.15 | trepan | yup; drives the gui, and can control units in the case of spring |
| 00:28.19 | trepan | once again displaying my distain for documenting: https://taspring.clan-sy.com/wsvn/filedetails.php?repname=spring&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fgame%2FLuaUI%2FAPI.txt&rev=0&sc=0 |
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| 00:30.21 | trepan | brlcad: I've also written the "widget handler" in lua, that compartmentalizes user LuaUI scripts, gives them their own namespaces and such |
| 00:30.59 | trepan | makes it much easier for users to write a little script for a specific task: http://spring.unknown-files.net/category/19/Lua_Scripts/ |
| 00:31.47 | brlcad | that's pretty sweet |
| 00:32.05 | brlcad | heh, i can only imagine the cheats that would be added to bz :) |
| 00:32.35 | trepan | ya, it's something be watch for :) |
| 00:32.43 | brlcad | though that could perhaps be mitigated by the calls provided |
| 00:33.13 | brlcad | i see spring has explicit cheat/mod support |
| 00:33.21 | trepan | some of the spring players were a little pissed when a widget was written that would give all of your units to a teammate when your commander was about to die (in a commander-ends game) |
| 00:33.38 | brlcad | heh |
| 00:34.10 | trepan | but the new synchronized scripts make it easy to control when transfers can be made... so that should make 'em happy |
| 00:37.41 | brlcad | trepan: not to scare you off, but interested in being a gsoc mentor? :-) |
| 00:38.01 | brlcad | a student coder to do your bidding |
| 00:38.42 | trepan | heh, i'm too surly :) |
| 00:38.43 | brlcad | i think there was a gui proposal in the mix -- could have them integrate luaui :) |
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| 00:39.39 | brlcad | you? surly? surely you jest |
| 00:40.03 | trepan | bite me ;) |
| 00:40.14 | brlcad | hehe |
| 00:40.30 | brlcad | was worth asking :) |
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| 00:45.09 | Epyon | ... time for another -40 :> |
| 00:49.57 | brlcad | Epyon: whereabouts? |
| 00:50.06 | KTL | :) |
| 00:53.32 | KTL | argh that server |
| 00:53.40 | KTL | and then he complains that in that chaos he cant win |
| 00:53.45 | KTL | mofo.kicks-ass |
| 00:54.33 | iCBG | a fantastic server! ;) |
| 00:55.44 | KTL | some people seem to like total chaos, the kind one allmost can not be prepared for, also the type of people that turns of radar |
| 00:57.40 | KTL | i am more for a controlled environment ... controlled by me :) |
| 01:03.31 | KTL | he is at -35 allready ... |
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| 01:07.08 | Epyon | xD |
| 01:07.15 | Epyon | KTL, you were stalking me :P |
| 01:07.33 | BWD | hi guys |
| 01:07.47 | KTL | observing while reading manuals |
| 01:07.49 | KTL | hi |
| 01:08.09 | Epyon | brlcad, I usualy just browse the list of servers and pick something at random. Currently just getting to know ;] |
| 01:08.48 | Epyon | And I don't try playing seriously yet (how seriously can you play at 3 in the morning with a beer in hand and the stereo set to loud? :P) |
| 01:09.12 | KTL | ... the hour is not the constraint |
| 01:09.48 | Epyon | The rest is xD |
| 01:10.24 | purple_cow | hey look, I've been assigned |
| 01:10.37 | KTL | the issue is will. Are you willing to get shot in the back like a pussy for the rest of your life in this game or do you want to be on the opposite side. |
| 01:11.46 | Epyon | KTL, don't worry, I'll have to learn this game anyway if I get chosen :P |
| 01:12.10 | KTL | you need more then a summer for that :) |
| 01:12.55 | Epyon | To master it? I don't spend so much time on games ;]. But I need to at least know the rules of engagement, that'll suffice for my needs. |
| 01:13.29 | Epyon | The idea is that time spent on playing games would be much more better spent on creating them ^^ |
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| 01:16.48 | purple_cow | Epyon: good luck :P |
| 01:16.55 | Epyon | KTL, to be honest my keyboard is dying, so it wouldn't make much sense playing now anyway :) |
| 01:17.11 | Epyon | purple_cow, thanks, I'll need lots of it xD |
| 01:17.14 | KTL | :) |
| 01:17.26 | KTL | (move with the mouse!) |
| 01:17.51 | Epyon | Hmm, would need to remap the mouse buttons for that. |
| 01:18.25 | KTL | *despair* |
| 01:18.50 | Epyon | KTL, the problem is that my keyboard randomly refuses to send keys (wireless) |
| 01:19.11 | Epyon | So I would need to remap all critical keys to the mouse. |
| 01:19.46 | KTL | for gaming it matters, i cant stand a latency or inaccuracy |
| 01:19.53 | KTL | many mouses have died here :) |
| 01:20.14 | Epyon | But a Logitech is on the way ;] |
| 01:20.57 | KTL | i have a logitech lx3 mouse now, not a very high model |
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| 01:22.59 | Epyon | Hmm, I guess I'll give it another go... -20 this time :P |
| 01:23.04 | KTL | that thing has 2 wheels |
| 01:23.49 | Epyon | Yep, but it's like the "Dark Side". Once you stepped on it, it will forever dominate your destiny :> |
| 01:24.33 | KTL | mmm too costly to expend on some bz opponents :D |
| 01:24.38 | KTL | sacrifice :D |
| 01:25.26 | Epyon | KTL, my father uses a Logitech pilot mouse he bought 8 years ago. Those things are indestructible :P |
| 01:26.28 | Epyon | Okay, I'm going for that -20, I'll try the mouse now :P |
| 01:26.42 | KTL | ah wait |
| 01:26.50 | KTL | did you reconfigure the radar? |
| 01:27.03 | KTL | make sure you see all individual bullets very well on radar |
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| 01:41.45 | Epyon | KTL, yeah, I did that just this game. |
| 01:42.11 | Epyon | Stupid, this should be configured by default considering how it easiens the gameplay :| |
| 01:45.20 | brlcad | Epyon: you can play quite well like that actually :) |
| 01:45.51 | Epyon | brlcad, nah, I can't see the bullets easily then :/ |
| 01:46.02 | brlcad | make them bigger |
| 01:46.06 | brlcad | :) |
| 01:46.14 | Epyon | I did, it helped a lot :> |
| 01:46.22 | brlcad | why do you think we make these things configurable? :) |
| 01:47.16 | Epyon | brlcad, configuration is the poor projects' running away from sensible defaults :/ |
| 01:47.43 | brlcad | default is quite sensible for a sober person |
| 01:47.56 | Epyon | True that configurability is cool, especialy in the OS community, but the defaults should be as good as possible. |
| 01:49.07 | Epyon | brlcad, don't push me on that one :P. First of all it takes more than a beer to dull my senses, secondly can you say that at least 50% of the good players use this bullet display size? ;] |
| 01:49.53 | purple_cow | brlcad: but really, how many bzflag players are sober? |
| 01:50.04 | purple_cow | presumably most of the kids are, but beyond that... |
| 01:50.04 | brlcad | purple_cow: you were for years |
| 01:50.08 | Epyon | purple_cow, a beer for you for that line :P |
| 01:50.29 | purple_cow | cheers |
| 01:50.36 | Epyon | cheers ^_^ |
| 01:56.13 | purple_cow | brlcad: also, I'm a bad example when it comes to lots of things |
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| 02:07.54 | brlcad | ~bzflist |
| 02:15.05 | Epyon | *sigh* |
| 02:16.42 | brlcad | what's up? |
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| 05:09.45 | brlcad | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 05:09.55 | DTRemenak | ~brlcad++ |
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| 05:11.39 | SportChick | ~dtremenak++ |
| 05:11.41 | SportChick | ~brlcad++ |
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| 05:13.28 | KTL | mmm sun went up ... a bird is singing ... must ... code |
| 05:15.32 | purple_cow | title? |
| 05:15.48 | purple_cow | writing the great american novel? |
| 05:16.04 | KTL | writing something to rule 47 pc's |
| 05:16.22 | brlcad | nah, did that last week |
| 05:16.23 | KTL | if i mess up then some admin receives 8000 error messages |
| 05:16.55 | KTL | anyway i learned euhm ... a bit more about mpi tonight |
| 05:17.22 | KTL | when i manage to write png pics with libpng then i can find out if my mpi stuff is correct |
| 05:20.23 | KTL | Frustrated because you want to output a high-quality image from your C++ program but haven't found an easy, direct and fast way? Try PNGwriter. |
| 05:23.25 | KTL | good morning I go sleep bye |
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| 05:50.13 | jude- | hello all |
| 05:50.36 | jude- | brlcad: thanks for you proposal feedback :) |
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| 06:08.02 | blast007 | hi Davy |
| 06:08.06 | Davy | hey |
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| 06:15.44 | Davy_jones0 | Hey Tangent |
| 06:21.35 | jwir3 | night all |
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| 06:49.02 | jude- | good night all |
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| 07:07.38 | inferno285 | has anyone seen http://www.google.com/tisp yet? |
| 07:09.01 | hobbsc | that's... interesting. |
| 07:09.09 | hobbsc | they've got their hands in just about everything, eh? |
| 07:09.46 | inferno285 | I can't tell if it's real or not.. |
| 07:09.51 | hobbsc | me either |
| 07:09.55 | inferno285 | probably just a dream |
| 07:09.56 | hobbsc | at first i thought it was a spoof |
| 07:10.00 | hobbsc | started looking at the url |
| 07:10.20 | inferno285 | lol |
| 07:10.31 | hobbsc | maybe preparation for today (april 1st) |
| 07:10.54 | inferno285 | think about taking a crap with a cord in the toilet |
| 07:11.06 | hobbsc | you might flush your router |
| 07:11.13 | hobbsc | yeah, this has to be a joke |
| 07:11.25 | inferno285 | considering it's april fools |
| 07:12.43 | hobbsc | for sure |
| 07:12.44 | hobbsc | good find |
| 07:13.34 | hobbsc | *blogged* |
| 07:13.35 | hobbsc | heh |
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| 11:13.00 | menotume | hellos flower girl |
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| 11:44.22 | I_Died_Once | Planet MoFo is on fire |
| 11:44.52 | I_Died_Once | everyone ought to get one last game in before it burns down |
| 11:53.53 | Manu | hi again I_Died_Once :) |
| 11:58.52 | I_Died_Once | hey Manu |
| 11:59.33 | I_Died_Once | Manu, one day, if it ever happens, I might still try to get you to translate an email or two from spanish to english and back |
| 12:01.21 | Manu | :) |
| 12:01.33 | Manu | ok, I'll be glad to help you |
| 12:01.42 | I_Died_Once | let me knwo what i'll owe you come time if it ever happens |
| 12:02.12 | Manu | I'll be here ;) |
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| 12:13.24 | delusional_ | WTFlag |
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| 12:15.40 | GFletcher | Hi guys - How come I can't log in as Grace here? It it's already being used - Is it because im logged into the BZ forums? |
| 12:16.32 | delusional_ | has nothingto do with forums |
| 12:17.05 | delusional_ | name must be used by someone else, try graceF, or something |
| 12:17.55 | GFletcher | oh ok - the list the right - does that show all the people here? |
| 12:18.01 | delusional_ | forums and IRC arent connected in any way |
| 12:18.05 | delusional_ | yes |
| 12:18.16 | menotume | GFletcher: the list is only those in this channel |
| 12:18.27 | GFletcher | thought so |
| 12:18.27 | menotume | there are 1000's more registered with freenet |
| 12:18.47 | GFletcher | so "Grace" could be anywhere? |
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| 12:20.41 | Manu | hi orchid :) |
| 12:21.40 | orchid | heh, SVN |
| 12:25.35 | menotume | GFletcher: yes, maybe not even online |
| 12:26.32 | menotume | actually, grace is online, #Mathetes |
| 12:27.10 | GFletcher | oh |
| 12:27.42 | GFletcher | As long as that person isn't immitating me - its ok =) |
| 12:29.21 | menotume | doubt it, 'Gacre' was registerd 1.5 years ago |
| 12:29.27 | menotume | 'Grace' |
| 12:29.30 | GFletcher | lol |
| 12:29.45 | GFletcher | I better not be immitating Grace then |
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| 12:53.16 | bz22 | im looking for help for that maomaking website |
| 12:55.00 | bz22 | im looking for help for thst mapmaking place i got there but just don't no what to put in it |
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| 13:25.18 | heyhey | ÁÕ¤¹ÍÂÙè»èÐ |
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| 14:22.04 | CBG_ | What is the most likely cause of the "File transfer terminated with error from libcurl 28 : Operation too slow. Less than 1024 bytes/sec transfered the last 10 seconds" error? |
| 14:22.29 | donny_baker | user error... |
| 14:22.33 | donny_baker | ;) |
| 14:24.20 | donny_baker | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=10237 ... not really resolved but said he was having a router issue |
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| 15:00.48 | CBG_ | donny_baker: other servers run fine on the same machine |
| 15:00.53 | KTL | a library binary placed some where in my user directory, ... i can compile with it, but if i try the resulting program then it does not know where to find the binary lib |
| 15:00.56 | CBG_ | could be a port issue, I suppose. |
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| 15:04.19 | donny_baker | cbg: yeah, im not sure that is the problem, but it was the only hit I got |
| 15:04.51 | CBG_ | k, thanks |
| 15:05.04 | CBG_ | I'm using a funny port, will try with one more certain to work. |
| 15:19.19 | CBG_ | ~seen TimRiker |
| 15:19.39 | ibot | timriker <n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 17h 28m 7s ago, saying: 'I don't know the history, so I have no input.'. |
| 15:22.05 | CBG_ | ~seen jeffm2501 |
| 15:22.12 | ibot | jeffm2501 <n=JeffM@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 23h 1m 53s ago, saying: 'yeah we can at least mentor the other ogre guy to do what wer want'. |
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| 15:50.19 | Bz_Win | haha, some people believe it |
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| 16:17.16 | gordon1470 | hello |
| 16:18.00 | hobbsc | hi gordon1470 |
| 16:18.34 | gordon1470 | who has heard about wzflag |
| 16:19.16 | blast007 | I have |
| 16:19.50 | gordon1470 | is it some sort of april fools joke? |
| 16:19.52 | SpazzyMcGee | and me: sounds fun ;) |
| 16:20.02 | blast007 | gordon1470: nope |
| 16:20.18 | Bz_Win | I think its going to be cool |
| 16:20.30 | Bz_Win | better graphics |
| 16:20.31 | gordon1470 | so this is really happening? |
| 16:20.32 | Bz_Win | :D |
| 16:20.43 | blast007 | yup |
| 16:20.45 | Bz_Win | yeah |
| 16:20.56 | Bz_Win | we can drive up hills now! :) |
| 16:20.57 | DTRemenak | it's legit, but the announcement was a bit premature. we've got a bunch of proof of concept code, but there are a few issues left to work out |
| 16:21.10 | gordon1470 | and it happening on april fools day is just a coicendence? |
| 16:21.14 | gordon1470 | oh |
| 16:21.43 | gordon1470 | sweet |
| 16:22.10 | gordon1470 | so, the tanks and the physics are going to be dfferent? |
| 16:22.18 | hobbsc | links? |
| 16:22.59 | gordon1470 | im gonna download warzone 2100 just to see what its like |
| 16:23.05 | DTRemenak | http://www.bzflag.org/ and http://wz2100.net/ |
| 16:23.44 | donny_baker | this should be a great boost to the community :) |
| 16:24.25 | hobbsc | i hope it's not an april fools joke |
| 16:24.28 | hobbsc | looks kind of neat |
| 16:24.48 | gordon1470 | it isnt |
| 16:25.02 | hobbsc | though i don't like the idea of replacing bzflag ;) |
| 16:25.07 | hobbsc | i hope they leave a 'classic' mode in there |
| 16:25.42 | Bz_Win | why? |
| 16:25.49 | Bz_Win | the current mode is rather stale... |
| 16:25.52 | hobbsc | part of why i like bzflag is how simple it is |
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| 16:26.05 | hobbsc | there isn't much to it, so it's great for clearning the brain |
| 16:26.49 | Bz_Win | brb, getting more food |
| 16:28.13 | gordon1470 | thats right, i hope at least the ui and network interface stays the same |
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| 16:28.41 | hobbsc | i know i'll keep an old copy of bzflag around for myself and my friends |
| 16:28.53 | hobbsc | probably continue hosting a public server |
| 16:29.09 | gordon1470 | sounds good, is there going to be a beta soon? |
| 16:29.19 | Legolas_ | so DTR, when will it be released ? :P |
| 16:29.27 | DTRemenak | we've decided to use the bzflag ui for most of it, gordon1470, and for now we're using the bzflag network backend also. |
| 16:29.33 | gordon1470 | sweet |
| 16:29.34 | donny_baker | well, I sure there will be some who stick with 2.0.x, just like they stayed behind with 1.1 |
| 16:29.51 | gordon1470 | i know i will:) |
| 16:30.00 | DTRemenak | Legolas_: we should have a public code repository up within a few days; we're working out some licensing issues right now |
| 16:30.23 | gordon1470 | licensing? |
| 16:30.27 | gordon1470 | what? |
| 16:30.28 | DTRemenak | WZ is GPL |
| 16:30.39 | gordon1470 | o... |
| 16:30.46 | DTRemenak | we're LGPL, so there's a chance we've picked up some GPL-incompatible code |
| 16:31.09 | gordon1470 | its quite possible |
| 16:31.16 | DTRemenak | really we're just being safe |
| 16:31.36 | gordon1470 | ya know, i really thought this was a joke |
| 16:31.56 | donny_baker | nope, its the real deal |
| 16:31.57 | Bz_Win | No jokes in the developer channel. |
| 16:32.15 | hobbsc | that's a shame |
| 16:32.17 | gordon1470 | goosd point |
| 16:32.24 | gordon1470 | ngood* |
| 16:32.30 | gordon1470 | aiigh!! |
| 16:32.35 | gordon1470 | i cant spell |
| 16:32.37 | Bz_Win | the n disease :o |
| 16:32.43 | gordon1470 | i know |
| 16:32.51 | donny_baker | ~n |
| 16:32.58 | ibot | i heard n is the disease bzflag players get when they play too much. There is no cure. |
| 16:32.58 | gordon1470 | i do this on aim to |
| 16:32.58 | SpazzyMcGee | curse of the n |
| 16:33.25 | gordon1470 | stupid n disease... |
| 16:33.51 | gordon1470 | well, there is changing the command for chat on wzflag |
| 16:33.59 | gordon1470 | that could be a cure |
| 16:34.20 | gordon1470 | but then there would be an a disease |
| 16:34.29 | gordon1470 | or a c disease |
| 16:34.42 | gordon1470 | theres no cure!!! |
| 16:34.45 | hobbsc | i'm still holding out that it's a prank |
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| 16:35.05 | gordon1470 | nhi jeff |
| 16:35.06 | hobbsc | screenshots can be created with blender or something |
| 16:35.09 | gordon1470 | ndammit! |
| 16:35.10 | SpazzyMcGee | hobbsc: You'll look a fool, com the release. |
| 16:35.14 | SpazzyMcGee | *come |
| 16:35.15 | gordon1470 | aiiighhhhh!!! |
| 16:35.17 | DTRemenak | hobbsc: I guess we'll see soon :) |
| 16:35.22 | hobbsc | SpazzyMcGee: fool or not, i'll hold out for a joke |
| 16:35.27 | JeffM2501 | hi |
| 16:35.31 | Legolas_ | hola jeff |
| 16:35.37 | hobbsc | and if it's not a joke, i'll just grab the 2.0.x version, and run with it |
| 16:35.39 | gordon1470 | nwe are discussing wzflag |
| 16:35.42 | hobbsc | probably a source tree as well if i can find it |
| 16:35.58 | gordon1470 | this n thing is driving me nuts |
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| 16:36.47 | delusional_ | nwhy? I nlike it. |
| 16:37.07 | SpazzyMcGee | nsurely not. |
| 16:37.27 | gordon1470 | nok |
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| 16:37.42 | gordon1470 | nso...wzflag.. |
| 16:37.52 | DTRemenak | hobbsc: the bzflag sources will still be available, of course. sf has a no-data-destruction policy even if we wanted to. |
| 16:38.24 | hobbsc | hehe |
| 16:38.35 | gordon1470 | how long has wzflag benn in the works? |
| 16:38.35 | hobbsc | i did the same thing when xevil got a graphics overhaul |
| 16:38.42 | hobbsc | gordon1470: two days ;) |
| 16:38.42 | hobbsc | hehe |
| 16:38.59 | hobbsc | oh yeah, and "the end is near" |
| 16:39.09 | gordon1470 | two days.... |
| 16:39.15 | DTRemenak | gordon1470: a couple of weeks |
| 16:39.18 | gordon1470 | TWO DAYS??!?!? |
| 16:39.20 | hobbsc | so it doesn't really matter. you should all quit your jobs and play BZFlag until the apocalypse |
| 16:39.22 | gordon1470 | oh |
| 16:39.25 | hobbsc | gordon1470: i was juoking |
| 16:39.27 | hobbsc | joking too |
| 16:39.33 | gordon1470 | i dont have a job |
| 16:39.37 | gordon1470 | im 13 |
| 16:39.43 | Hannibal | then quit school, gordon |
| 16:39.46 | hobbsc | well, then drop out of school, it's the only way |
| 16:39.54 | Hannibal | I'll be doing it. |
| 16:40.21 | gordon1470 | im in junior high.. i cant drop out |
| 16:40.32 | gordon1470 | stupid board of education |
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| 16:40.43 | Hannibal | yes you can. run away, take your computer, and go to some big city with wifi |
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| 16:40.51 | Legolas_ | well, you could.. |
| 16:40.57 | Legolas_ | but the feds would be on you. |
| 16:41.05 | JeffM2501 | oh man... is it morning allready? |
| 16:41.18 | gordon1470 | yes, |
| 16:41.32 | Bz_Win | long night, jeff? :p |
| 16:41.37 | JeffM2501 | very |
| 16:41.39 | gordon1470 | i bet |
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| 16:43.15 | SpazzyMcGee | wheee.. netsplit |
| 16:44.18 | gordon1470 | i just realized ive been playing bzflag for one year! |
| 16:44.18 | gordon1470 | sweet |
| 16:44.18 | patlkli | SpazzyMcGee: yeah, i hat e them |
| 16:44.18 | JeffM2501 | oh you guys got that finalised, sweet, I was hoping you'd get it all worked out before SoC |
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| 16:44.19 | gordon1470 | nand what just happened? |
| 16:44.19 | JeffM2501 | I feel bad that I pissed them off so much that one time, I'm glad you were able to patch up relations |
| 16:44.24 | gordon1470 | pissed who off? |
| 16:44.24 | JeffM2501 | the warzone merger |
| 16:44.24 | donny_baker | JeffM2501: no one can stay mad at you for long |
| 16:44.25 | JeffM2501 | terrain |
| 16:44.30 | JeffM2501 | gotta love terrain |
| 16:44.32 | DTRemenak | yeah, thing is, I can't imagine how the SoC people are going to be able to deal with the major code changes from wz at the same time |
| 16:44.34 | JeffM2501 | now I can do my tunnles map |
| 16:44.42 | DTRemenak | woot tunnels |
| 16:44.59 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, that's part of open souce, engine changes, codebase mergers |
| 16:45.01 | gordon1470 | we can go up hills? |
| 16:45.07 | DTRemenak | yeah, I guess |
| 16:45.13 | gordon1470 | yesss!!! |
| 16:45.14 | JeffM2501 | I mean it happend to firefox a couple times |
| 16:45.16 | DTRemenak | gordon1470: yup |
| 16:45.16 | donny_baker | im looking forward to smashing buildings... is that going to be in it |
| 16:45.31 | JeffM2501 | donny_baker, only after you build them first |
| 16:45.33 | DTRemenak | donny_baker: absolutely...building and destroying base defenses is a major part of wzflag |
| 16:45.34 | gordon1470 | i hope so |
| 16:45.50 | DTRemenak | though you'll be able to turn that off for pure FFA servers |
| 16:46.06 | JeffM2501 | it'll also get me a lot closer to the OpenCombat stuff |
| 16:46.15 | DTRemenak | it's a lot like opencombat really |
| 16:46.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah, have to put in the FPS dudes tho |
| 16:46.27 | DTRemenak | just need dudes with guns now |
| 16:46.33 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 16:46.37 | Hannibal | whatever happened to OpenCombat? |
| 16:46.39 | gordon1470 | is i still going o be for mac? |
| 16:46.43 | hobbsc | what is opencombat |
| 16:46.55 | DTRemenak | gordon1470: yeah, they are cross platform just like we are |
| 16:47.02 | JeffM2501 | gordon1470, but 10.3 or later |
| 16:47.08 | gordon1470 | yesss, i can keep my macbook |
| 16:47.10 | JeffM2501 | 10.2 support is dead dead dead |
| 16:47.19 | DTRemenak | though we have yet to get the windows wzflag client working...gl on windows is messy |
| 16:47.20 | JeffM2501 | Hannibal, I still have the data for it |
| 16:47.22 | JeffM2501 | and the storys |
| 16:47.31 | JeffM2501 | hobbsc, my grand plan |
| 16:47.37 | hobbsc | to damn the man? |
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| 16:47.40 | Hannibal | Jeff, wow. I remember reading when there was a section on bzbb |
| 16:47.46 | gordon1470 | is there a mac version of warzone? |
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| 16:48.01 | gordon1470 | 2100 |
| 16:48.01 | JeffM2501 | hopefully I cna get bzflag to be it, since I''ve got projec adminship :) |
| 16:48.03 | JeffM2501 | Hannibal, yeah I saved a copy of that |
| 16:48.29 | hobbsc | so you're hijacking the project? |
| 16:48.39 | Legolas_ | so jeff. in your sigs they keep saying: the time is right... its almost here. when is it GOING to be here? |
| 16:48.51 | Bz_Win | "when its done." |
| 16:48.54 | gordon1470 | is there a mac version of warzone 2100 |
| 16:48.58 | DTRemenak | gordon1470: yes |
| 16:49.08 | DTRemenak | they don't have the 2.0.6 dmg up yet |
| 16:49.13 | gordon1470 | where? |
| 16:49.26 | JeffM2501 | Legolas_, we get closer every day |
| 16:49.35 | gordon1470 | i will find it! |
| 16:49.41 | DTRemenak | gordon1470: http://download.gna.org/warzone/releases/2.0/warzone2100-2.0.5.dmg |
| 16:49.41 | gordon1470 | scuse |
| 16:49.43 | DTRemenak | that's 2.0.5 |
| 16:49.54 | gordon1470 | thanks |
| 16:50.07 | gordon1470 | bye |
| 16:50.19 | Legolas_ | cya |
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| 16:52.46 | patlkli | Hmm, I want to write a Plug-in, but I don't know which kind... |
| 16:52.55 | patlkli | :-'( |
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| 16:53.23 | me1 | /name |
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| 16:54.00 | Legolas_ | try this: One that automatically gives you a cloaking after someone pics up a laser? |
| 16:54.12 | Legolas_ | or stealth when someone picks up GM. |
| 16:54.26 | Legolas_ | ect. patlkli |
| 16:55.46 | patlkli | Legolas_: that's awesome |
| 16:55.50 | Legolas_ | thx :) |
| 16:56.09 | patlkli | Legolas_: then u can leave out the GMs and Lasers :P |
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| 16:59.40 | JeffM2501 | Legolas_, my current sig dosn't say anyting about tme |
| 17:00.45 | KTL | did anyone here ever used libpng to convert a 2d array of floats, raw image data, to a png file? |
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| 17:05.03 | Bz_Win | ~lart everyone |
| 17:05.03 | ibot | chops everyone in half with a free AOL CD |
| 17:05.25 | Legolas_ | ~lart wzflag |
| 17:05.25 | ibot | beats the living hamstercrap out of wzflag |
| 17:05.55 | Legolas_ | do you guys remember the the opposites of all the good flags? |
| 17:06.21 | Legolas_ | like GM- ST and L-Cloaking |
| 17:07.04 | Legolas_ | and OO-SB and SW |
| 17:11.40 | JeffM2501 | the nice think about the change is, we are moving the name off of the name that Tim was given maintinershop to, so I can finaly remove him as project admin and maintainer. |
| 17:12.07 | Legolas_ | lol jeff :) |
| 17:12.10 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 17:12.24 | JeffM2501 | it's better to have the copyright set up to the np corp anyway |
| 17:12.30 | hobbsc | so wait |
| 17:12.36 | hobbsc | will bzflag continue, then? |
| 17:12.39 | hobbsc | as a branch or something? |
| 17:12.41 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 17:12.45 | hobbsc | well, that sucks |
| 17:12.47 | DTRemenak | only if someone else decides to work on it |
| 17:12.49 | JeffM2501 | you'll have access to the 2.0.x code |
| 17:12.59 | JeffM2501 | maybe Tim will keep it |
| 17:13.06 | JeffM2501 | but I don't think he'll get any devs |
| 17:13.27 | JeffM2501 | the SoC people are admined by brlcad not Tim so they won't go |
| 17:13.33 | hobbsc | hm, so what's with the hostile takeover? |
| 17:13.35 | hobbsc | SoC? |
| 17:13.39 | JeffM2501 | summer of code |
| 17:13.40 | hobbsc | oh |
| 17:13.44 | JeffM2501 | it's been a long time in planing |
| 17:13.51 | JeffM2501 | it's beter for the project |
| 17:14.06 | hobbsc | does tim know about it? |
| 17:14.20 | Legolas_ | Is there an event called when someone picks up a flag? |
| 17:14.21 | JeffM2501 | he will when he logs in |
| 17:14.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah, flag grab |
| 17:14.55 | hobbsc | so nobody told him about it? |
| 17:15.22 | DTRemenak | he's quite aware of the warzone project |
| 17:15.25 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:15.34 | DTRemenak | though he wasn't a big fan of the idea |
| 17:15.38 | JeffM2501 | he's been out of the managment loop for a while |
| 17:15.49 | hobbsc | that's pretty crappy |
| 17:15.52 | JeffM2501 | I think he's happy to be off the spot |
| 17:16.01 | JeffM2501 | it's just time for change |
| 17:16.01 | Legolas_ | so jeff. if your making a plugin and u want the event when they pick up the flag Gm what would be the code? |
| 17:16.04 | JeffM2501 | time for evolution |
| 17:16.09 | JeffM2501 | GM |
| 17:16.19 | hobbsc | i still fail to see what's wrong with the game as it stands |
| 17:16.21 | JeffM2501 | or do you mean all the code for the plugin |
| 17:16.24 | Legolas_ | yes |
| 17:16.26 | hobbsc | hopefully someone branches 2.0.x |
| 17:16.27 | JeffM2501 | hobbsc, it's old, and dead |
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| 17:16.39 | hobbsc | where's the svn repo? |
| 17:16.44 | Legolas_ | code for plugin jeff. |
| 17:16.45 | JeffM2501 | Legolas_, dude I'm not going to write it for you |
| 17:16.55 | DTRemenak | hobbsc: nothing is really "wrong" with it, it's just kind of stagnant, and there are a lot of great opportunities presented by the way warzone does things |
| 17:17.01 | JeffM2501 | do you know how to program? |
| 17:17.16 | hobbsc | JeffM2501: me? |
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| 17:17.35 | gordon1470 | hello |
| 17:17.38 | hobbsc | re gordon1470 |
| 17:17.39 | JeffM2501 | no, Legolas_ |
| 17:17.55 | gordon1470 | i tried playing |
| 17:18.08 | gordon1470 | but it kept on cashing |
| 17:18.17 | gordon1470 | crashing* |
| 17:18.20 | hobbsc | JeffM2501: is any of the new wz code in svn yet? |
| 17:18.56 | hobbsc | bah, i can't check out the svn |
| 17:19.06 | hobbsc | svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/viewvc/bzflag/trunk' |
| 17:19.20 | JeffM2501 | i dunno, i wanted to wait |
| 17:19.21 | DTRemenak | hobbsc: we're running in a private repo right now anyway, still resolving licensing issues |
| 17:19.29 | JeffM2501 | the did it last night |
| 17:20.02 | hobbsc | any idea how i can check out the source from svn? |
| 17:20.24 | JeffM2501 | have to go, have to pay attention to a pretty lady |
| 17:20.37 | gordon1470 | ohhh... |
| 17:20.55 | gordon1470 | i have to clean my homework hole |
| 17:21.06 | gordon1470 | back in 1 to 2 hours |
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| 17:21.55 | hobbsc | there we go |
| 17:22.01 | hobbsc | checking out the source right now |
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| 17:31.10 | Bz_Win | smoking bad! |
| 17:31.32 | Epyon | smokin' good -_- |
| 17:31.39 | Bz_Win | <_> |
| 17:34.06 | KTL | bad! |
| 17:35.32 | JeffM2501 | it was a metaphor |
| 17:37.05 | patlkli | JeffM2501, i have a question |
| 17:37.33 | patlkli | JeffM2501, is that flaggrab event unusuable or only unused? |
| 17:39.03 | JeffM2501 | it's used |
| 17:39.10 | JeffM2501 | I used it in weapon arena |
| 17:39.12 | JeffM2501 | IIRC |
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| 17:41.09 | patlkli | and how you used it? |
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| 17:44.12 | patlkli | just add "bz_eFlagGrabbedEvent" to the eventType list in the header of bzfsAPI.h? |
| 17:45.52 | patlkli | oh sorry, my fault |
| 17:46.09 | patlkli | didn't finish reading the eventtype list |
| 17:46.18 | patlkli | i'll try it |
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| 17:49.09 | patlkli | hi me1 |
| 17:49.42 | me1 | hello |
| 17:58.37 | AAA_awright | Lady and gentlemen, I wish to show you a BZFlag server written ENTIRELY in PHP |
| 17:59.23 | AAA_awright | Who wants to see? |
| 17:59.26 | a_meteorite | me |
| 17:59.40 | AAA_awright | labs.redjacket.ws:5154 |
| 18:01.41 | AAA_awright | Someone wrote "does this work" |
| 18:01.49 | a_meteorite | lol |
| 18:01.51 | TD-Linux | I am having difficulty finding this year's april fools joke |
| 18:02.05 | me1 | i wrote that |
| 18:02.09 | AAA_awright | :) |
| 18:02.10 | Bz_Win | TD: your blind |
| 18:02.12 | a_meteorite | TD-Linux: you have it wrong, they're not jokes they're REAL I'm telling you |
| 18:02.18 | TD-Linux | anyone want to poke me in the right direction? |
| 18:02.21 | Bz_Win | er, I mean, yeah |
| 18:02.35 | me1 | what april fools joke? try google.com/tisp |
| 18:02.42 | a_meteorite | TiSP is so real |
| 18:02.43 | a_meteorite | I want it |
| 18:02.47 | AAA_awright | Actually, I was going to announce this on april 1st to make everyone think it is fake... But it is a real implementation |
| 18:02.56 | AAA_awright | That crashes anytome someone exits |
| 18:03.01 | me1 | :P |
| 18:03.05 | AAA_awright | Sorry there "rays" |
| 18:03.11 | me1 | it broke |
| 18:03.19 | a_meteorite | hah, cause you left the server |
| 18:03.37 | KTL | yeps is me |
| 18:03.43 | me1 | it won't let me spawn |
| 18:03.52 | AAA_awright | It shouldn't |
| 18:03.53 | KTL | could not shoot |
| 18:03.58 | me1 | ok |
| 18:04.05 | AAA_awright | It dosn't know how to handle tank movments |
| 18:04.15 | me1 | so its a php bzfs? |
| 18:04.16 | AAA_awright | It dosn't know how to handle tank movments |
| 18:04.22 | AAA_awright | yep :) |
| 18:04.25 | me1 | met: you spelt favorite wrong :P |
| 18:04.26 | AAA_awright | Hi blast |
| 18:04.40 | KTL | ah then ... i could drive around ... so ... that might have been because of a broken connection maybe |
| 18:04.57 | AAA_awright | I havn't figured out the sprawning process yet |
| 18:05.05 | AAA_awright | gah, another segfault |
| 18:05.08 | a_meteorite | me1: I know |
| 18:06.13 | blast007 | it segfaults? wow |
| 18:06.41 | a_meteorite | I've never seen a php app segfault :\ |
| 18:06.44 | AAA_awright | Yes, php segfaults. |
| 18:07.04 | AAA_awright | Don't know why :/ |
| 18:07.25 | AAA_awright | I am using someone else's socket implementation, I am going to re-write that from scratch |
| 18:08.34 | me1 | oops |
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| 18:25.31 | Bz_Win | will bump mapping ever be implemented? |
| 18:28.54 | Sir_Pants | haha |
| 18:29.11 | Sir_Pants | have you ever bumped mapped something bz_win? |
| 18:29.33 | Bz_Win | *cough* blender *cough* |
| 18:29.41 | Sir_Pants | alright |
| 18:29.43 | Sir_Pants | lol |
| 18:30.17 | Bz_Win | ... |
| 18:34.27 | JeffM2501 | bumpmaping was implemented once |
| 18:36.18 | me1 | when? |
| 18:36.37 | JeffM2501 | prolly a year ago |
| 18:38.43 | JeffM2501 | maybe more |
| 18:38.49 | Bz_Win | is it still there? |
| 18:39.03 | Bz_Win | ohhh, that experimental 2.0.6 build |
| 18:39.14 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:39.37 | Bz_Win | oh |
| 18:39.41 | JeffM2501 | what "experimental" build? |
| 18:40.38 | Bz_Win | Jeff: http://bzfusion.net/winxp/desktops/sw00t/PCDesktop.jpg |
| 18:40.40 | Bz_Win | oops |
| 18:40.41 | Bz_Win | igh |
| 18:40.42 | Bz_Win | ugh* |
| 18:40.51 | Bz_Win | one sec... |
| 18:40.56 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 18:41.00 | Bz_Win | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=7274&highlight= |
| 18:41.02 | Bz_Win | there |
| 18:41.05 | Bz_Win | :p |
| 18:41.31 | me1 | hey! thats the one i wanted to ask about |
| 18:41.48 | me1 | why didn;t the new things trepan showed get implemented? |
| 18:41.50 | Bz_Win | mainly this: http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/relief.jpg |
| 18:42.05 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 18:42.14 | JeffM2501 | that wasn't experimental IIRC |
| 18:42.25 | Bz_Win | What happened to it? |
| 18:42.36 | JeffM2501 | he never checked itin |
| 18:42.42 | Bz_Win | :( |
| 18:43.33 | trepan | still use that client, occasionally handy to test shader stuff with |
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| 18:44.10 | JeffM2501 | how is spring going? |
| 18:45.17 | trepan | fairly well... it'll probably be replaced by OSRTS (aka: Command Engine) |
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| 18:46.17 | JeffM2501 | just move your file loaders and logic into it? |
| 18:46.20 | trepan | another case of "we're sick of this old software, start again" |
| 18:46.23 | JeffM2501 | or just replace your engine |
| 18:46.32 | trepan | nope, tabula rasa |
| 18:46.37 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 18:46.56 | JeffM2501 | did supreme commander change the project at all? |
| 18:47.05 | trepan | nope |
| 18:47.48 | trepan | it may influence some of the osrts "design", but from what i hear there's nothing really revolutionary in it |
| 18:48.13 | trepan | (haven't played it) |
| 18:48.17 | JeffM2501 | it's more evolutionary |
| 18:48.30 | JeffM2501 | it's fun |
| 18:48.40 | JeffM2501 | very much what TA2 should have been |
| 18:48.48 | JeffM2501 | runs on 2 displays too :) |
| 18:49.04 | trepan | so does spring ;) |
| 18:49.10 | trepan | (weakly...) |
| 18:52.21 | JeffM2501 | you going along with there rewrite? |
| 18:52.59 | trepan | probably not, it's a lot of typing that I can't really afford |
| 18:53.11 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 18:53.21 | trepan | might help out a bit, but nothing big |
| 18:54.04 | trepan | fwiw: http://forum.osrts.info/ :) |
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| 19:16.54 | TD-Linux | looks like I'll have to update the wiki |
| 19:19.55 | menotume | can I use WZflag with Tisp ? |
| 19:20.28 | Bz_Win | Yeah, TISP is great for low lag |
| 19:21.23 | TD-Linux | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Main_Pagehttp://my.bzflag.org/w/Main_Page |
| 19:21.27 | TD-Linux | ahehe |
| 19:21.31 | TD-Linux | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Main_Page |
| 19:22.04 | TD-Linux | I took care to keep everything in one edit and not break any links, btw |
| 19:23.08 | Bz_Win | I do like the new logo :p |
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| 19:29.13 | Bz_Win | ~lart everyone |
| 19:29.13 | ibot | steals everyone's mojo |
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| 19:36.13 | Fiery | Why not? |
| 19:36.39 | Constitution | um... that will be evident soon enough ;-) |
| 19:36.45 | Fiery | Haha. |
| 19:38.00 | Constitution | interesting mofo "problem", haha |
| 19:38.28 | Fiery | You know what will fix that? |
| 19:38.36 | Fiery | A shoe. ;) |
| 19:44.52 | Sir_Pants | whats the mofo problem? |
| 19:45.55 | Constitution | it fell into hell |
| 19:46.38 | Bz_Win | heh |
| 19:46.45 | Sir_Pants | yea it did |
| 19:46.49 | Sir_Pants | you should join |
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| 20:09.09 | TD-Linux | warning: there is an entirely new hack on mofo |
| 20:09.23 | TD-Linux | someone is able to send messages as other people... a client mod it seems |
| 20:09.40 | Bz_Win | Naa, a plugin |
| 20:09.49 | Bz_Win | I saw it about 6 months ago |
| 20:09.54 | TD-Linux | oh |
| 20:10.00 | TD-Linux | I'll do a /pluginlist |
| 20:10.07 | TD-Linux | however, it was reacting to what I said |
| 20:10.13 | TD-Linux | so someone was controlling the plugin |
| 20:13.21 | TD-Linux | nope |
| 20:13.23 | TD-Linux | not a plugin |
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| 20:17.37 | Bz_Win | that gets old, fas6t |
| 20:26.41 | menotume | TD-Linux: maybe a hack to not show the plugin ? |
| 20:29.29 | Constitution | it showed the plugin when I checked about an hour ago |
| 20:30.38 | Constitution | but yeah, not anymore |
| 20:30.53 | menotume | heh, load it, use it, unload it |
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| 20:37.49 | Sir_Pants | what seems to be the problem? i haven't been on mofo today |
| 20:38.40 | TD-Linux | everyone in mofo claims they aren't doing it... I dunno though |
| 20:41.33 | Sir_Pants | odd |
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| 20:42.06 | TD-Linux | yeah... I do believe it is a hacked client. |
| 20:42.08 | Dessy | hey anyone here? |
| 20:42.12 | TD-Linux | I might be able to reproduce it. |
| 20:42.23 | Dessy | ya here is one :) |
| 20:42.52 | Dessy | i run a 2.0.9 server and some peoples will be kicked |
| 20:42.59 | Dessy | Player is moving to fast |
| 20:43.05 | Dessy | but he spawned only |
| 20:45.11 | tupone | jwir3, any idea on how rendering the texture without using light on a genmesh (no renderloop). |
| 20:51.56 | Bz_Win | ~lart everyone |
| 20:51.56 | ibot | eats everyone's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti |
| 20:52.20 | Sir_Pants | any luck td? |
| 20:53.39 | Fiery | Ibot. |
| 20:53.49 | Fiery | My liver doesn't taste good with beans and chianti. |
| 20:53.49 | Fiery | :( |
| 20:54.02 | TD-Linux | Sir_Pants: some |
| 20:54.11 | Sir_Pants | why some? |
| 20:54.16 | JBdiGriz | My liver is fairly well marinated. |
| 20:54.32 | Fiery | Ew. >.< |
| 20:54.47 | TD-Linux | does anyone know where sLink is in the BZFlag source? |
| 20:55.06 | Fiery | Just use the find thing |
| 20:55.09 | Fiery | Cntrl+F |
| 20:55.11 | ts | Dessy: Manu replicated the bug |
| 20:55.12 | TD-Linux | umm |
| 20:55.27 | TD-Linux | I need to find the source file it's in |
| 20:55.43 | Fiery | Can't help you there, then. ;) |
| 20:56.15 | Manu | Dessy: yes, there is something bad in the speed detection |
| 20:56.20 | Sir_Pants | what server are you testing on td? |
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| 20:58.15 | TD-Linux | foiund it I think |
| 20:58.16 | ts | Manu, Dessy: I'm planning to write a new speed check for 2.2 but I have not that much time. Maybe I'll do it plug-in only and merge it in core servers when it works. |
| 20:58.29 | TD-Linux | I'm not testing it at all yet... when I do, it will be a private bzfs instance. |
| 20:58.48 | Manu | ts: the desired for 2.2 is to avoid the need of checking it ;) |
| 20:58.52 | ts | Manu: Still not understanding how to trigger.. |
| 20:58.55 | menotume | brl, did a bunch this morning |
| 20:59.05 | menotume | brlcad ^ |
| 20:59.25 | Manu | hi mentortume ;) |
| 20:59.30 | ts | Manu: I think removing the need of checking is not reasonable for 2.2 |
| 21:00.01 | ts | Manu: We're already loosing players, we need 2.2 this year |
| 21:00.02 | menotume | hi Mentoru |
| 21:00.07 | Manu | ts: are you sure? there is no dead line |
| 21:00.10 | TD-Linux | sLink is of type ServerLink... :P |
| 21:00.17 | Manu | menotume: :) |
| 21:00.26 | menotume | ts: the current speed check is broken :) |
| 21:00.30 | ts | Manu: Like no dead line for Duke Nukem Forever? |
| 21:00.46 | Manu | hehe |
| 21:00.53 | ts | menotume: True..but more agressive checks may trigger more kicks |
| 21:01.17 | Manu | and the actual speed check detection is useles |
| 21:01.39 | Manu | easy to exploit it :/ |
| 21:01.43 | JBdiGriz | There are a number of cheats out for 2.0.8, and people are getting tired of them. We are losing players because of the cheaters. |
| 21:02.07 | Manu | JBdiGriz: yes, but not new cheats |
| 21:02.33 | JBdiGriz | It just took a while for them to get ported into 2.0.8 and distributed to the non-programmers. |
| 21:03.21 | Manu | JBdiGriz: you know actually is very difficult to detect some cheats with the actual protocol |
| 21:04.19 | JBdiGriz | It's possible to detect abnormalities, which admins can use in whichever way they want. |
| 21:04.20 | menotume | Manu: there is one 'new' cheat |
| 21:04.35 | menotume | that *should* be detected, but isn't for some reason |
| 21:04.48 | JBdiGriz | If one client is behaving differently than all other clients, that's useful information. |
| 21:04.51 | Manu | menotume: what cheat? |
| 21:04.57 | Sir_Pants | what cheat? |
| 21:05.08 | TD-Linux | interesting... |
| 21:05.13 | Manu | menotume: pm |
| 21:05.15 | Sir_Pants | lets here it |
| 21:05.35 | TD-Linux | it seems that the protocol does _not_ send the source player id when sending a message |
| 21:05.52 | TD-Linux | making a hack like what was seen on mofo server-based? |
| 21:05.58 | TD-Linux | maybe I'm not looking hard enough though. |
| 21:06.31 | JBdiGriz | menotume: Security through obscurity is no security at all. It's better for many people to know about these things and work together on them. The cheaters certainly do. |
| 21:08.40 | Sir_Pants | hmmmm |
| 21:09.15 | Sir_Pants | irc has suddenly died... |
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| 21:14.04 | TD-Linux | what evil is this? |
| 21:14.10 | TD-Linux | ServerLink::CrippledVersion |
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| 21:18.49 | Sir_Pants | figure it out TD-Linux? |
| 21:19.43 | TD-Linux | nope |
| 21:19.53 | TD-Linux | it doesn't even seem to send the source playerid |
| 21:19.55 | TD-Linux | just the target |
| 21:20.07 | TD-Linux | I think it's a plugin or server mod that they are hiding, evil them |
| 21:20.13 | Sir_Pants | lol |
| 21:37.28 | Constitution | ~servers |
| 21:37.30 | ibot | servers are HTTP or ftp://ftp... |
| 21:37.53 | Constitution | what's that command to show current servers? |
| 21:38.03 | Sir_Pants | ~bzlist |
| 21:38.08 | Sir_Pants | guess not |
| 21:38.13 | Bz_Win | ~help |
| 21:38.30 | Constitution | maybe it's just taking its time |
| 21:38.32 | Think_Differentl | ~list |
| 21:38.33 | ibot | one warez list being sent |
| 21:38.55 | CBG | ~bzflist |
| 21:39.04 | Constitution | ah there we go |
| 21:39.08 | CBG | ;) |
| 21:39.19 | Constitution | I was thinking there were a ton of players online right now... was curious just how many |
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| 21:51.32 | TD-Linux | ~bzlist is <reply> see bzflist |
| 21:51.33 | ibot | TD-Linux: okay |
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| 22:42.56 | Bz_Win | ~lart War Zone 2100 |
| 22:42.56 | ibot | whips War Zone 2100 with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
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| 23:01.27 | patlkli | do you think, that a plug-in which i compile with 2.1.0 bzfsAPI.h, will work with bzfs 2.0.9? |
| 23:04.00 | Constitution | depends on the plugin, but most likely it will require a few changes |
| 23:07.37 | blast007 | patlkli: no |
| 23:07.51 | blast007 | the API is a lot different in those two versions |
| 23:08.01 | blast007 | you'd have to make changes to get it to compile on 2.0.9 |
| 23:09.53 | L4m3r | which would be much more trouble than it's worth... |
| 23:10.15 | patlkli | blast007, problem: there's no flaggrab event in 2.0.9 |
| 23:11.07 | L4m3r | are you sure? I thought jeff had added it to 2.0.9 |
| 23:11.25 | L4m3r | and anyway, you can still track flags without it. it's just a little harder. |
| 23:11.33 | patlkli | L4m3r, well, i have the 2.0.9 cvs version |
| 23:11.44 | patlkli | i downloaded it weeks before |
| 23:11.57 | patlkli | 2.1.0 svn i downloaded yesterday |
| 23:12.05 | L4m3r | try checking out a fresh 2.0.9 |
| 23:12.09 | patlkli | well, i get new 2.0.9version from svn |
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| 23:12.12 | patlkli | L4m3r, k |
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| 23:13.21 | wizart | hi. I just killed the gliders of a a perfectly fine G5 mouse because of that stupid uncentered mousebox with opaque radar :( |
| 23:13.57 | me1 | and...? |
| 23:14.37 | wizart | Can I have a better UI for bzflag for X-.mas ? |
| 23:14.44 | L4m3r | ~pw |
| 23:14.46 | ibot | from memory, patches welcome is a common response by maintainers of Open Source products. It's roughly means "We don't have much time on our hands, so if you write that feature and send it to us we will likely roll it in. If you don't have the time to write it, we don't either. Stop asking for it." |
| 23:15.10 | wizart | well. A better mouse conrol would be fine |
| 23:15.18 | L4m3r | UI, like the engine, is not one of bzflag's strong points, unfortunately |
| 23:15.22 | me1 | just make the radar translucent... |
| 23:15.44 | me1 | then the mouse box will be centered |
| 23:15.55 | a_meteorite | I eat mice for breakfast |
| 23:16.02 | KTL | with pepper? |
| 23:16.05 | a_meteorite | yes |
| 23:16.16 | wizart | yea. tried that. great control but then I'm losing more in head on fights. |
| 23:16.17 | a_meteorite | and a little cajun too |
| 23:16.44 | KTL | i would add some onions |
| 23:16.49 | me1 | 100% transparency? you'll still se the radar fine |
| 23:16.53 | a_meteorite | no no, too much work |
| 23:16.56 | a_meteorite | much better raw |
| 23:17.06 | patlkli | L4m3r, no, it's not in SVN, only FlagTransferred |
| 23:17.27 | L4m3r | interesting. guess you'll have to do it the hard way then ;) |
| 23:17.50 | patlkli | L4m3r, and what way is the hard way? |
| 23:18.02 | L4m3r | tracking them manually with the tick event |
| 23:18.31 | L4m3r | specifics depend on what you're doing |
| 23:19.23 | patlkli | L4m3r, want to write a plug-in for Legolas, that gives everyone ST im someone gets GM and all this opposites |
| 23:19.47 | patlkli | don't know for what... :/ |
| 23:21.07 | patlkli | L4m3r, but I don't know what you want to do with the tick event here.... |
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| 23:21.24 | patlkli | double time; // time of the event. |
| 23:21.52 | L4m3r | the tick event just lets you check things frequently |
| 23:22.16 | L4m3r | you can't track the actual grab, but you can see when someone has a GM when they didn't before |
| 23:22.37 | patlkli | ack |
| 23:22.45 | L4m3r | yeah, it's messy, but it does work |
| 23:23.16 | L4m3r | the (ancient |
| 23:23.26 | L4m3r | ) fairCTF uses this technique |
| 23:23.54 | L4m3r | eek, g2g |
| 23:41.52 | Constitution | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=10502 |
| 23:43.44 | patlkli | Constitution, :) |
| 23:44.34 | Constitution | just hope I'm not too late to be "in" on it ;-) |
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| 23:48.06 | Bz_Win | hehe |
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