| 00:00.15 | a_meteorite | low frame rate will cause artificial jitter as the client does network things after frames draw... |
| 00:01.31 | niels_ | Ah that way. The last test gave a framerate of 18, which is better than below 10, but not really good. |
| 00:01.57 | a_meteorite | hmmm, interesting |
| 00:02.31 | a_meteorite | I've played at 15-20 before, and the jitter wasn't too bad... ~8ms or so |
| 00:02.31 | niels_ | I did short tests, so I don't have fantastic data material. |
| 00:02.48 | a_meteorite | how much jitter do you have anyways? |
| 00:03.38 | niels_ | In austria I have ping 60 and I quit when my jitter goes above 10. |
| 00:04.42 | a_meteorite | 10ms jitter, that's not extremely high, but it's not fun to play people with that much :) |
| 00:04.58 | a_meteorite | did you have this problem before you got a new isp? if it just started recently after getting the new isp... I'd suspect the isp |
| 00:05.40 | niels_ | 2 years ago I live in the same appartment and played a lot. i don't think I had special problems back then. |
| 00:06.09 | niels_ | Hmm spelling: live -> lived, i-> I |
| 00:06.37 | a_meteorite | then I would ask your isp if they're having problems, maybe see if you can get your computer on another net connection to test jitter there |
| 00:07.15 | niels_ | That sound like a good idea. |
| 00:08.32 | niels_ | Goodnight, and thank you for the advice |
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| 00:20.56 | jude- | hello all |
| 00:21.00 | jude- | brlcad: pong |
| 00:21.03 | jude- | (from days ago) |
| 00:21.28 | brlcad | jude-: heh, no idea why I pinged you at the moment |
| 00:21.28 | jude- | ~seen brlcad |
| 00:21.54 | ibot | brlcad is currently on #bzflag (2h 2m 34s) #brlcad (2h 2m 34s). Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 26s, last said: 'jude-: heh, no idea why I pinged you at the moment'. |
| 00:21.58 | brlcad | cept maybe to say, check your application -- probably have questions / feedback |
| 00:22.09 | CBG | heh |
| 00:22.21 | jude- | I dunno--you ran "~seen jude" when I wasn't there (I read the IRC logs daily) |
| 00:22.48 | jude- | brlcad: I got your feedback. Thanks! :) |
| 00:23.08 | brlcad | ahh |
| 00:23.18 | brlcad | so it wasn't a ping :) |
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| 00:24.47 | brlcad | this has to be a new high |
| 00:25.09 | Arsage2 | Of people in the channel? |
| 00:25.14 | brlcad | yeah |
| 00:25.47 | brlcad | we've often in 60's but I don't recall the last time we were in 70's |
| 00:26.34 | daxxar | brlcad: Writing the reply to the comments now. |
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| 00:28.13 | brlcad | daxxar: nify |
| 00:28.17 | brlcad | nifty even too |
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| 00:31.49 | jude- | so, wzflag was an april fools joke? |
| 00:31.56 | Arsage2 | hehe, yeah. |
| 00:32.01 | jude- | aww |
| 00:32.07 | jude- | that would have been so cool |
| 00:32.15 | Arsage2 | most people happened to disagree :) |
| 00:32.18 | Arsage2 | by the looks of the logs |
| 00:32.22 | me1 | like me |
| 00:32.55 | hobbsc | i didn't believe it at first, but i eventually took the bait |
| 00:33.09 | SportChick | hobbsc: you fell pretty fast ;) |
| 00:33.17 | hobbsc | earlier in the day i didn't say anything |
| 00:33.18 | jude- | why would people dislike wzflag? |
| 00:33.20 | hobbsc | didn't buy it |
| 00:33.28 | hobbsc | jude-: i didn't like the idea at all |
| 00:33.34 | hobbsc | i did everything short of resorting to verbal insults |
| 00:33.48 | hobbsc | i like bzflag for it's simplicity |
| 00:33.59 | hobbsc | doesn't take much to learn and you can fire it up and play for 10 minutes then walk away |
| 00:34.09 | hobbsc | i use it to clear my brain at work or during coding bouts |
| 00:34.16 | hobbsc | it also runs on older hardware |
| 00:34.19 | hobbsc | which is really nice |
| 00:34.47 | me1 | wzflag looked broken. |
| 00:35.05 | jude- | aside from the new hardware requirements, the screenies looked like they could be feasibly integrated into BZFlag without loss of simplicity |
| 00:35.18 | hobbsc | it also looked like it took the fundamental elements of bzflag away. almost like they slapped a bzflag display on the warzone game and called it good |
| 00:35.18 | jude- | all that would change would be eye candy |
| 00:35.30 | jude- | well, it could be migrated slowly |
| 00:35.42 | hobbsc | i don't mind eye candy changes, but they were discussing building objects and things of that nature |
| 00:35.47 | jude- | i.e. do the dynamic LOD terrain, then add building destruction, etc |
| 00:35.54 | hobbsc | getting much more complex than the game is |
| 00:36.11 | hobbsc | i took the bait so badly that i checked out the svn repo |
| 00:36.15 | hobbsc | "just in case" |
| 00:36.15 | hobbsc | heh |
| 00:36.20 | jude- | hehe I saw in the logs :) |
| 00:37.03 | jude- | dynamic LOD terrain would be cool by itself, though |
| 00:37.14 | hobbsc | at that point, i mellowed out a bit because it ensured that i'd still be able to play the game, but jeff is good at being rude |
| 00:37.19 | hobbsc | jude-: i agree, it'd be pretty neat |
| 00:41.02 | brlcad | some of the features certainly could be integrated, and have been discussed ad infinitum |
| 00:41.47 | brlcad | if done in ways that don't add additional complexity of controls and input, most would probably not kick and scream too hard/loudly |
| 00:42.01 | purple_cow | ad infinitum, huh |
| 00:42.45 | brlcad | the "spirit" of the game has (always?) been towards initial surface simplicity .. easy to get started and do okay, nothing really complex inputwise or otherwise |
| 00:45.56 | Constitution | ah ha, finally got SVN (from source) to work on my Macbook |
| 00:46.13 | brlcad | Constitution: there's an svn dmg.. |
| 00:46.23 | Constitution | yes, but it's an older version, IIRC |
| 00:47.22 | Constitution | yeah 1.3.1 vs. 1.4.3 |
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| 00:55.53 | inferno285 | hey Constitution |
| 00:56.02 | Constitution | hi |
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| 00:59.04 | GrandHustla | hey everyone |
| 00:59.32 | nash | Are there any google SoC mentors around? brlcad being #1 vict^Wchoice? |
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| 01:03.09 | nash | I'm just trying to sort out a SoC student who is on two lists... thousand parsec and bzflag |
| 01:03.54 | SportChick | nash: you really ought to talk to brlcad - he's the administrator |
| 01:04.42 | nash | Thanks SportChick... I'll keep poking him occasionally then |
| 01:04.47 | nash | What time zone is he in? |
| 01:04.53 | SportChick | he's Eastern |
| 01:04.59 | SportChick | so it's 9PM his time |
| 01:05.12 | SportChick | dunno if he'll be watching the game or not - if so, he may be gone for 2-3 hours |
| 01:05.21 | nash | 'the game'? |
| 01:05.25 | SportChick | nash: he was active 20 minutes ago though |
| 01:05.40 | SportChick | nash: the Final Four - collegiate championship basketball game is about to start |
| 01:05.43 | nash | 9pm... So -5 UTC |
| 01:05.50 | nash | Ahh... |
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| 01:05.57 | SportChick | nash: yes |
| 01:06.10 | SportChick | nash: just promise him sushi and he'll perk right up ;) |
| 01:06.35 | eTangenT | well, looks like I'm going to be getting a Macbook soon |
| 01:06.37 | purple_cow | or martinis |
| 01:06.43 | SportChick | purple_cow: hehe, true |
| 01:06.44 | nash | SportChick: He can have mine.. I don't want the stuff ;-) |
| 01:06.46 | eTangenT | my Inspiron keeps randomly dying on me. |
| 01:06.51 | Constitution | eTangenT: nice |
| 01:06.56 | Arsage3 | what channel is the game on? |
| 01:06.58 | SportChick | nash: sushi is yummyyyyyyy |
| 01:06.59 | JeffM2501 | eTangenT, my condolences |
| 01:06.59 | Arsage3 | I haven't found it yet =/ |
| 01:07.03 | SportChick | Arsage3: it'll be on CBS |
| 01:07.06 | eTangenT | hi JeffM2501 |
| 01:07.09 | JeffM2501 | hi |
| 01:07.10 | SportChick | pre-game should be on now |
| 01:07.20 | eTangenT | JeffM2501: you're not a mac fan, are you? |
| 01:07.21 | Arsage3 | found it, thanks |
| 01:07.36 | JeffM2501 | I like the OS, paying 500$ more for the right to run that OS is stupid |
| 01:07.43 | Constitution | http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#MacBook |
| 01:07.48 | eTangenT | JeffM2501: true. |
| 01:07.53 | SportChick | ~sushi me |
| 01:07.54 | ibot | ACTION fishes madly all day long & brings the very best back, filets it carefully and serves sportchick the best, freshest sushi ever |
| 01:08.06 | SportChick | ohhhh, DTRemenak, feel like sushi next week? |
| 01:08.09 | nash | ~sushi someone else |
| 01:08.11 | ibot | ACTION fishes madly all day long & brings the very best back, filets it carefully and serves someone else the best, freshest sushi ever |
| 01:08.19 | JeffM2501 | add the diffrence between the cost of vista and the cost of 10.4 to the hardware sure, but not what they are charging |
| 01:08.28 | JeffM2501 | 1200 for a 13 incher.. that's insane |
| 01:08.35 | lodxcol | JeffM2501: remember several mac users complained that their screen became reasonably darker when they started BZFlag? |
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| 01:08.51 | JeffM2501 | yeah, gamma is wierd under OSX |
| 01:08.55 | JeffM2501 | IIRC it's an SDL bug |
| 01:08.59 | lodxcol | I think I've found the solution |
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| 01:09.22 | JeffM2501 | install linux? |
| 01:09.23 | Mets | w00t boxy is back up :) |
| 01:09.25 | lodxcol | in the config.cfg file, in ~/Library/Application Support/BZFlag/2.0 |
| 01:10.35 | lodxcol | you need to put a hash in front of set gamma 1.075408 |
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| 01:11.00 | JeffM2501 | that shuld be the same as seting the gamma slider to 1 |
| 01:11.18 | JeffM2501 | other OSs don't need that, the problem is ether in our platform code, or SDL |
| 01:11.23 | JeffM2501 | and IIRC it was a known sdl bug |
| 01:11.38 | JeffM2501 | using the values wrong or something |
| 01:11.51 | lodxcol | setting the gamma slider to 1 doesn't fix the problem for me, but adding that hash does |
| 01:12.12 | JeffM2501 | that would just make it use the default bzdb variable |
| 01:14.00 | JeffM2501 | you can see Invisible shots on radar right? |
| 01:14.53 | lodxcol | not sure what you mean |
| 01:15.01 | JeffM2501 | when you have IB |
| 01:15.08 | JeffM2501 | can you see the shots on radar? |
| 01:15.11 | lodxcol | no |
| 01:15.20 | lodxcol | though I'll check right now.. |
| 01:15.53 | lodxcol | nope, can't see them |
| 01:16.05 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 01:16.31 | lodxcol | how can I save the config.cfg file without BZFlag overriding it every time it starts? |
| 01:16.44 | JeffM2501 | modify the code |
| 01:17.07 | JeffM2501 | the code knows that value is meant to be saved form the controll |
| 01:17.22 | JeffM2501 | hence why I state that you get a fix to the real problem ;) |
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| 01:17.58 | brlcad | ~spell cogniscent |
| 01:18.20 | brlcad | er |
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| 01:23.07 | GFletcher | Hey Everyone |
| 01:23.17 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 01:23.51 | GFletcher | Did you play a part in that WZFlag joke Jeff? =P |
| 01:24.06 | JeffM2501 | a small bit |
| 01:25.02 | GFletcher | you on my target list then! |
| 01:25.13 | JeffM2501 | pardon? |
| 01:25.26 | GFletcher | nevermind... |
| 01:26.37 | JeffM2501 | musta been a good joke to piss off that many people |
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| 01:27.20 | GFletcher | ...i was joking Jeff |
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| 01:35.23 | Mets | /status |
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| 01:53.07 | eTangenT | man, I just realized today |
| 01:53.12 | eTangenT | we need The Compound to go back up |
| 01:53.18 | eTangenT | I loved that map |
| 01:56.14 | GFletcher | The what? =P |
| 01:56.31 | eTangenT | The Compound |
| 01:56.36 | eTangenT | l4m3r made it |
| 01:57.01 | GFletcher | When was it last up? |
| 01:57.11 | GFletcher | the name is familiar but the map isn't |
| 01:57.12 | eTangenT | long time ago |
| 01:57.28 | eTangenT | it was 4-team CTF, it used the flagGive plugin so you got a certain flag when you spawned |
| 01:57.45 | eTangenT | there were fancy elevators and fortresses and everything |
| 01:57.52 | eTangenT | pretty much the best map I've seen in BZ |
| 01:57.55 | GFletcher | oh |
| 01:59.10 | eTangenT | oh |
| 01:59.11 | eTangenT | hahaha |
| 01:59.12 | eTangenT | you're Grace |
| 02:02.15 | eTangenT | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=105518#105518 |
| 02:02.19 | eTangenT | can we move that to a proper forum? |
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| 02:03.53 | GFletcher | Yes, i am Grace =) |
| 02:04.07 | GFletcher | sry, i went to say something and i got some error :S |
| 02:05.13 | eTangenT | I told you not to mention CBG :P |
| 02:05.20 | eTangenT | he causes all sorts of problems |
| 02:06.37 | JeffM2501 | god not that guy |
| 02:07.00 | Constitution | well that's an announcement isn't it? :-P |
| 02:07.05 | JeffM2501 | no it is not |
| 02:07.14 | Constitution | heh |
| 02:07.23 | JeffM2501 | techincaly so is spam, you want the penis adds back? |
| 02:07.32 | Constitution | I was joking |
| 02:07.57 | Constitution | eTangenT, what's up with your Missile War server? |
| 02:08.33 | eTangenT | Constitution: Somehow, bzfs was hogging all the server's memory, so my host killed that process. |
| 02:08.44 | eTangenT | He says he'll be moving me to a more appropriate server in the next couple days. |
| 02:08.59 | Constitution | hmm |
| 02:09.05 | GFletcher | oow |
| 02:13.12 | Bz_Win_Hiding | laters |
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| 02:18.27 | eTangenT | so yeah |
| 02:18.33 | eTangenT | hammer time? |
| 02:28.01 | GFletcher | ... |
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| 05:34.10 | daniel_jackson | hello world! |
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| 05:35.37 | daniel_jackson | what this I hear about a merger between bzflag and is it warzone? |
| 05:35.43 | Sir_Pants | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.52 | daniel_jackson | huh? |
| 05:35.58 | Sir_Pants | april 1st |
| 05:36.12 | daniel_jackson | prank? |
| 05:36.17 | Sir_Pants | yea |
| 05:36.25 | Sir_Pants | you must have been some where to not know lol |
| 05:36.35 | daniel_jackson | oh well grace told me about it |
| 05:37.24 | daniel_jackson | Oh I was focused on google's sewage based broadband internet service! |
| 05:37.34 | Sir_Pants | lol |
| 05:37.38 | eTangenT | rofl |
| 05:37.42 | eTangenT | whatsup dj? |
| 05:37.58 | eTangenT | apparently my laptop is dying (and quick) |
| 05:38.17 | Sir_Pants | what type of laptop? |
| 05:38.26 | daniel_jackson | nothing much, just got home from my monday class, did you ever get into the server? |
| 05:38.28 | eTangenT | Dell Inspiron 600m |
| 05:38.36 | Sir_Pants | oh |
| 05:38.39 | eTangenT | daniel_jackson: No. My host is moving me to another machine. |
| 05:38.48 | daniel_jackson | oh ok |
| 05:38.52 | eTangenT | Sir_Pants: Yeah. It's now crashed 7 times today. |
| 05:38.59 | Sir_Pants | that blows |
| 05:39.08 | daniel_jackson | hopefully to a better machine |
| 05:39.18 | eTangenT | Just a blank screen with nothing on it (unless it crashed when I was in BZ, then it had a centeredcursor), and completely unresponsive. |
| 05:39.22 | *** join/#bzflag tupone (n=atupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone) |
| 05:39.22 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v tupone] by ChanServ |
| 05:39.29 | eTangenT | So I went down to the Apple store today to check out what they have. |
| 05:39.35 | daniel_jackson | ooh |
| 05:39.35 | eTangenT | I need a functional lappy for college. |
| 05:39.49 | Sir_Pants | macbook |
| 05:39.58 | eTangenT | Yeah, I'm thinking Macbook |
| 05:40.02 | daniel_jackson | you might go with one of those |
| 05:40.05 | Sir_Pants | 2gb ram plus 120 gb harddrive = nice |
| 05:40.10 | eTangenT | the standard Macbooks play bzflag just fine, right? |
| 05:40.12 | Sir_Pants | oh and make sure to get a case to |
| 05:40.13 | daniel_jackson | I have a friend who has one |
| 05:40.15 | Sir_Pants | yea totally |
| 05:40.16 | eTangenT | even though they have the Intel graphics |
| 05:40.19 | Sir_Pants | i own one :D |
| 05:40.29 | eTangenT | Sir_Pants: I was thinking 80GB drive. |
| 05:40.33 | Sir_Pants | i got windows on mine too so i can use adobe photohop |
| 05:40.37 | eTangenT | I don't need much more than that. |
| 05:40.53 | daniel_jackson | I thought they had the ati |
| 05:40.53 | Sir_Pants | lol i wish i had the 120, i got the 80 too |
| 05:40.53 | eTangenT | I'm going to dual boot OSX + OpenSUSE 10 |
| 05:40.58 | Sir_Pants | that will work |
| 05:41.04 | Sir_Pants | brb gonna go test a server |
| 05:41.06 | eTangenT | I can probably only afford 1GB of ram at present though |
| 05:41.07 | daniel_jackson | boot camp will allow it |
| 05:41.17 | Sir_Pants | try to get 2 |
| 05:41.21 | Sir_Pants | its smooth |
| 05:41.24 | daniel_jackson | boot camp = mac bootloader |
| 05:41.54 | eTangenT | daniel_jackson: I'd get 2GB if I had the money. |
| 05:42.07 | eTangenT | I'm a freshoutofhighschool guy, going to CSU in the fall. |
| 05:42.10 | eTangenT | I work at Carl's Jr. |
| 05:42.20 | eTangenT | I've got about a grand in my checking account right now. |
| 05:42.29 | eTangenT | Next paycheck (on the 7th) should be over $400 |
| 05:42.32 | daniel_jackson | sell those $6 burgers! |
| 05:42.43 | eTangenT | haha |
| 05:42.48 | eTangenT | omg |
| 05:42.52 | eTangenT | L4m3r! |
| 05:42.53 | L4m3r | won $2000 at the end of senior year in HS, got the check in august |
| 05:42.56 | eTangenT | just the guy I needed to find |
| 05:42.59 | eTangenT | hahahaha |
| 05:43.02 | eTangenT | rock on. |
| 05:43.08 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 05:43.12 | eTangenT | Anyways, whatever happened to The Compound? |
| 05:43.22 | L4m3r | bought a computer for $1000 and spent another $500 on dorm stuff |
| 05:43.33 | L4m3r | it died when we moved servers |
| 05:43.43 | eTangenT | You should unkill it. :D |
| 05:43.45 | daniel_jackson | what the dorm? lol |
| 05:43.49 | L4m3r | it needed some map work... still a bit of a lagmonster if you recall |
| 05:43.56 | eTangenT | Yeah. |
| 05:44.13 | L4m3r | I never finished writing the map utility to regroup it, lol |
| 05:44.16 | eTangenT | It overheated my graphics card. |
| 05:44.22 | eTangenT | Though, taht's not your fault. |
| 05:44.29 | eTangenT | I have a Dell Inspiron 600m |
| 05:44.33 | L4m3r | but I'm working on it |
| 05:44.38 | eTangenT | came with a TERRIBLE card |
| 05:44.58 | L4m3r | assuming the server under my desk feels like booting today, it will work |
| 05:45.21 | daniel_jackson | my zv6000 only has a ati radeon 200m |
| 05:45.25 | L4m3r | gotta find the map and recompile a plugin, and get a fresh bzfs |
| 05:45.59 | daniel_jackson | thank god I dumped XP, and put debian on it |
| 05:46.07 | eTangenT | hah. |
| 05:46.10 | eTangenT | Yeah. |
| 05:46.47 | eTangenT | I hung out at the apple store today, on the macbook I'm looking at getting. |
| 05:47.01 | eTangenT | Opened garage band and mixed a downtempo track. |
| 05:47.15 | eTangenT | Sure, it wasn't quanitized well... but it was fun. |
| 05:47.27 | eTangenT | I'd plan on using Ableton with a mac, though. |
| 05:48.06 | Sir_Pants | haha i got rid of garage band cuz it took up so much room on the hard drive |
| 05:48.17 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 05:48.22 | eTangenT | Yeah, garage band looks like the kind of thing that would really bother me. |
| 05:48.25 | eTangenT | I mean, come on. |
| 05:48.32 | daniel_jackson | dude its called compression |
| 05:48.37 | daniel_jackson | nlol |
| 05:48.39 | eTangenT | Even the LINUX music production programs quantize the stuff you record. |
| 05:48.39 | Sir_Pants | haha |
| 05:48.45 | eTangenT | LINUX |
| 05:48.54 | eTangenT | the software that's still being TESTED |
| 05:48.54 | Sir_Pants | but it took up like 10gb with all the different sounds |
| 05:49.21 | eTangenT | yeah, I like just using a software plugin/generator. |
| 05:49.32 | Sir_Pants | i was like 10gb to make High def movies with, goodbye garage band |
| 05:49.34 | eTangenT | I like LMMS's LB-302 and Triple Oscillator. |
| 05:50.33 | daniel_jackson | why so you can rap to "old McDonald had a farm? lol |
| 05:51.14 | daniel_jackson | [the long pause] |
| 05:51.27 | eTangenT | daniel_jackson: Nah. |
| 05:51.37 | eTangenT | cuz I figured out some really cool ways to make rough bass sounds. |
| 05:51.38 | daniel_jackson | I'm joking |
| 05:51.39 | Sir_Pants | hmmm |
| 05:51.46 | eTangenT | parents were quite happy with that one. >:) |
| 05:51.48 | daniel_jackson | thats cool |
| 05:51.56 | daniel_jackson | nlol |
| 05:52.00 | Sir_Pants | i'm on my macbook, connected to my windows computer's C drive, but i can't find the fonts... |
| 05:52.38 | daniel_jackson | what are you looking to put windows font on the mac? |
| 05:53.21 | Sir_Pants | oh i have adobe photoshop on this computer (on the partioned windows parts) and I want the fonts that I have on the other computer |
| 05:53.29 | Sir_Pants | *partitioned |
| 05:53.34 | eTangenT | nomg |
| 05:53.40 | eTangenT | ndaniel hit the n key |
| 05:53.42 | eTangenT | :D |
| 05:53.53 | Sir_Pants | ? |
| 05:53.57 | daniel_jackson | I have the "n" disease |
| 05:54.00 | eTangenT | I know |
| 05:54.02 | Sir_Pants | lol |
| 05:54.04 | eTangenT | Don't you hate it when you do taht? |
| 05:54.09 | eTangenT | Like, right after you quit bz |
| 05:54.13 | eTangenT | go talk to a friend on aim |
| 05:54.14 | daniel_jackson | nno |
| 05:54.16 | eTangenT | "nyo" |
| 05:54.17 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 05:54.20 | eTangenT | "wait, wtf" |
| 05:54.32 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 05:55.37 | Sir_Pants | lets time how long it takes jeff to come back... |
| 05:55.54 | daniel_jackson | ooh fun |
| 05:56.01 | eTangenT | one |
| 05:56.02 | eTangenT | two |
| 05:56.02 | Sir_Pants | see how attached he is to his computer :p |
| 05:56.03 | eTangenT | three |
| 05:56.05 | eTangenT | ... |
| 05:56.06 | Sir_Pants | lol |
| 05:56.18 | Sir_Pants | every message for me is timestamped |
| 05:56.26 | Sir_Pants | including departures and arrivals |
| 05:56.35 | Sir_Pants | hmmm |
| 05:56.40 | Sir_Pants | i also log all the convos |
| 05:56.45 | Sir_Pants | i wonder how big those files are now... |
| 05:56.56 | daniel_jackson | yeh mine shows the timestamps aswell |
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| 05:57.56 | daniel_jackson | oops I closed the window |
| 05:58.08 | Sir_Pants | lol |
| 05:58.14 | Sir_Pants | what client? |
| 05:58.17 | L4m3r | eTangenT: if you do get a macbook, beware... |
| 05:58.19 | daniel_jackson | gaim |
| 05:58.22 | Sir_Pants | cool |
| 05:58.25 | L4m3r | Microsoft owns your college. |
| 05:58.25 | Sir_Pants | beware of what? |
| 05:58.31 | Sir_Pants | hahahaha |
| 05:58.32 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 05:58.45 | eTangenT | L4m3r: Microsoft owns a lot of things. |
| 05:58.48 | Sir_Pants | they also get pretty warm/hot |
| 05:58.53 | L4m3r | they use all kinds of activeX crap here, and the CS classes use visual studio |
| 05:59.04 | daniel_jackson | ewww! |
| 05:59.11 | Sir_Pants | ? |
| 05:59.18 | Sir_Pants | like they heat up dj |
| 05:59.33 | daniel_jackson | huh I don't heat up |
| 05:59.39 | Sir_Pants | lol |
| 05:59.40 | Sir_Pants | w/e |
| 05:59.47 | Sir_Pants | ice cold |
| 06:00.17 | eTangenT | L4m3r: What would be worse? Taking my current consistantly crashing pile of Dell there (only Linux) ... or taking a dual boot Macbook with OSX/Linux? |
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| 06:00.27 | L4m3r | I dual-boot XP and debian on both my systems. I've conceded, there really is no escaping Windows. |
| 06:00.45 | Sir_Pants | oh another reason to get a bigger hard drive rather than the 80gb |
| 06:00.53 | L4m3r | eTangenT: or get a good PC lappy... |
| 06:00.54 | Sir_Pants | get more partitioned for linux |
| 06:01.13 | L4m3r | just make sure you stay the hell away from ATi gfx |
| 06:01.15 | eTangenT | L4m3r: I refuse to use Windows on any of my computers. |
| 06:01.21 | L4m3r | because fglrx |
| 06:01.26 | L4m3r | BLOWS |
| 06:01.37 | Sir_Pants | Intel GMA 950 :D |
| 06:01.38 | daniel_jackson | thats becoming a nigthtmare to setup |
| 06:01.40 | L4m3r | eTangenT: you're gonna have a bad time then ;) |
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| 06:02.01 | Sir_Pants | echo echo echo |
| 06:02.10 | Sir_Pants | :O |
| 06:02.11 | L4m3r | BLOWS! blows! blows... b l o w s ......... |
| 06:02.12 | eTangenT | L4m3r: how does it blow? It's obviously the best thing ever, cuz the ATi card I have now overheats every 20 minutes or so. |
| 06:02.39 | L4m3r | no compositing support, crappy support for their own hardware even |
| 06:03.02 | L4m3r | beryl on a new ATi card? forgeddaboudit |
| 06:03.08 | daniel_jackson | the problem now with ati's drivers now are they are coded wrong |
| 06:03.17 | daniel_jackson | for linux |
| 06:03.29 | L4m3r | AMD needs to crack the whip |
| 06:03.40 | daniel_jackson | I hope they do |
| 06:03.50 | L4m3r | oh, and... |
| 06:04.06 | L4m3r | a few slaps and it POSTed |
| 06:04.20 | L4m3r | roommates are gonna hate the noise though. oh well... |
| 06:04.34 | Sir_Pants | lol |
| 06:05.01 | daniel_jackson | did you remember to make part of it a drink freezer l4m3r? |
| 06:05.05 | L4m3r | not to mention the blue glow under my desk |
| 06:05.46 | daniel_jackson | put your beers in there |
| 06:06.03 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 06:06.19 | L4m3r | lol |
| 06:06.27 | eTangenT | L4m3r: how many people are in a room there? |
| 06:06.38 | daniel_jackson | 2? |
| 06:06.43 | L4m3r | built for 2, but they cram in three in some of them |
| 06:06.47 | eTangenT | heh |
| 06:06.54 | eTangenT | at CSU it's 2 |
| 06:06.57 | L4m3r | I'm one of the unlucky ones this year |
| 06:06.58 | eTangenT | dunno who I'm gonna be with |
| 06:07.01 | L4m3r | which CSU? |
| 06:07.12 | daniel_jackson | fly tape on the ceiling for the 3rd guy? |
| 06:07.19 | L4m3r | no, bunk beds |
| 06:07.23 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 06:07.25 | eTangenT | Colorado State |
| 06:07.36 | L4m3r | the rooms were built with high ceilings |
| 06:07.41 | L4m3r | ooooh... colorado... |
| 06:08.00 | L4m3r | see, CSU is also California State University, which has a bunch of campuses :P |
| 06:08.23 | daniel_jackson | I was at San Diego State for a while, but then I chose to go to a private college |
| 06:08.32 | L4m3r | well no wonder, land is cheap in colorado :P |
| 06:08.51 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 06:08.55 | L4m3r | UCLA just build a new building that floats over a parking structure. they're packed in here. |
| 06:09.17 | daniel_jackson | its floats, like in mid air? |
| 06:09.21 | eTangenT | L4m3r is a sardine. |
| 06:09.25 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 06:10.38 | daniel_jackson | yeah it global warming melts the ice caps, both San Diego and LA will be underwater |
| 06:11.05 | eTangenT | good thing colorado sucks |
| 06:11.08 | eTangenT | and isn't near water |
| 06:11.40 | L4m3r | daniel_jackson: it sorta straddles the structure |
| 06:11.41 | daniel_jackson | its in the mountains, it get that frozen type of water |
| 06:11.55 | daniel_jackson | oh cool |
| 06:12.03 | L4m3r | two corners have supports that go down to the ground, with stairwells to the parking structure |
| 06:12.13 | daniel_jackson | oh cook |
| 06:12.17 | daniel_jackson | cool |
| 06:12.21 | L4m3r | then the side opposite those corners sits in/on ground level |
| 06:12.37 | L4m3r | the parking stucture is next to (and partially in) a hill |
| 06:12.51 | eTangenT | sounds like a heck of a bzw |
| 06:13.08 | L4m3r | there's an open area in the middle of the building with a ton of criscrossing bridges across it |
| 06:13.18 | daniel_jackson | I thought he was talking about the campus? |
| 06:13.19 | L4m3r | of various lengths, hieghts, and slopes |
| 06:13.31 | L4m3r | unfrotunately the pictured refuse to come off my camera |
| 06:13.49 | daniel_jackson | via USB? |
| 06:15.10 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 06:15.10 | Sir_Pants | can you take the card out? |
| 06:15.10 | daniel_jackson | any memory cards? |
| 06:15.10 | Sir_Pants | yea thats what i was thinking |
| 06:15.10 | L4m3r | nope, think it's linux refusing to detect the camera |
| 06:15.10 | Sir_Pants | i got a scanner/printer/faxer that can also read certain types of camera cards |
| 06:15.10 | L4m3r | I'll try it in windoze later |
| 06:15.11 | L4m3r | I've got a lappy with a card reader :P |
| 06:15.11 | Sir_Pants | if that doesnt work just take it to kinkos |
| 06:15.12 | daniel_jackson | well sometimes if you use the camera's built in memory your forced to use the USB |
| 06:15.50 | daniel_jackson | then you need the drivers for windoze, blah blah blah |
| 06:15.58 | Sir_Pants | hmmm |
| 06:16.02 | Sir_Pants | later fools |
| 06:16.10 | daniel_jackson | cu fool |
| 06:16.12 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 06:17.07 | daniel_jackson | well I just wanted to check in |
| 06:17.21 | daniel_jackson | see whose on, etc |
| 06:17.40 | eTangenT | ya know |
| 06:17.48 | eTangenT | sometimes I wish people would drink some H2SO4 |
| 06:17.54 | eTangenT | it would make me so happy. |
| 06:18.14 | eTangenT | not that anyone here should. |
| 06:18.18 | daniel_jackson | why the sulfur? |
| 06:18.21 | eTangenT | but some kids from my high school. they need it. |
| 06:18.39 | daniel_jackson | or is that caffiene? |
| 06:18.46 | eTangenT | daniel_jackson: Sulphuric acid. |
| 06:18.58 | daniel_jackson | oh yeah nice |
| 06:19.04 | eTangenT | ahahahahah |
| 06:19.05 | eTangenT | [00:15:13] <twisted> aright brb wife |
| 06:19.08 | eTangenT | in #suse just now. |
| 06:19.24 | daniel_jackson | cool "susy" |
| 06:21.44 | daniel_jackson | ooh I found out what my title is when it comes to bzflag |
| 06:21.58 | daniel_jackson | "information custodian" |
| 06:23.27 | eTangenT | eh? |
| 06:24.41 | daniel_jackson | info custodian helps the "info owner" manage his technology |
| 06:24.49 | daniel_jackson | thats what I do here |
| 06:25.26 | daniel_jackson | I help various map maker's/server owners utilize thier systems |
| 06:25.29 | *** join/#bzflag GFletcher (n=ca07b782@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 06:25.49 | daniel_jackson | whether its linux or bzfs |
| 06:26.17 | eTangenT | I am the "tortugo" |
| 06:26.30 | eTangenT | I help various map makers/server owners break things. |
| 06:26.57 | eTangenT | :D |
| 06:26.57 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 06:26.57 | daniel_jackson | no I have network security class on mondays |
| 06:27.27 | daniel_jackson | that one of the things we covered tonight |
| 06:28.09 | daniel_jackson | difference between "info custodian", "info ownership", and "info owner" |
| 06:28.54 | GFletcher | Heyaz two |
| 06:29.11 | daniel_jackson | 2? |
| 06:29.27 | eTangenT | dos? |
| 06:29.35 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 06:29.42 | GFletcher | eh? |
| 06:29.44 | daniel_jackson | hey fletch |
| 06:29.52 | GFletcher | its Grace DJ |
| 06:29.54 | eTangenT | hi Grace |
| 06:29.55 | eTangenT | :D |
| 06:30.03 | daniel_jackson | cool |
| 06:30.08 | eTangenT | oh wait |
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| 06:30.13 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 06:30.21 | daniel_jackson | no don't do that to a girl |
| 06:30.41 | eTangenT | I have a friend who almost threw a girl out a window in 4th grade |
| 06:30.54 | daniel_jackson | ooh that sucks |
| 06:31.10 | GFletcher | brb |
| 06:31.14 | daniel_jackson | ok |
| 06:31.28 | eTangenT | ~bzfrag daniel_jackson |
| 06:31.37 | ibot | ACTION destroys daniel_jackson with a guided missile |
| 06:32.49 | *** join/#bzflag _Grace (n=ca07b782@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 06:32.54 | daniel_jackson | huh? |
| 06:33.18 | daniel_jackson | ~bzfrag eTangent |
| 06:33.21 | ibot | ACTION fries eTangent with a laser |
| 06:33.43 | eTangenT | ~lart daniel_jackson |
| 06:33.43 | ibot | cuts off daniel_jackson's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper |
| 06:34.02 | daniel_jackson | lart? |
| 06:34.14 | daniel_jackson | ~lart eTangenT |
| 06:34.14 | ibot | beats the living hamstercrap out of eTangenT |
| 06:34.24 | eTangenT | ~insult daniel_jackson |
| 06:34.27 | eTangenT | I think that's one |
| 06:34.31 | eTangenT | yay |
| 06:34.49 | daniel_jackson | ~insult eTangenT |
| 06:35.00 | daniel_jackson | I win! |
| 06:35.10 | eTangenT | oh |
| 06:35.11 | eTangenT | my |
| 06:35.12 | eTangenT | god |
| 06:35.17 | eTangenT | I think I'm going to be sick |
| 06:35.21 | eTangenT | that is a terrible mental image |
| 06:35.29 | eTangenT | !insult daniel_jackson |
| 06:35.31 | *** join/#bzflag LongDon (n=LongDon@dialin-79088.ewetel.net) |
| 06:35.47 | eTangenT | ~insult daniel_jackson |
| 06:35.48 | eTangenT | oops |
| 06:36.02 | daniel_jackson | ~insult eTangenT |
| 06:36.14 | _Grace | ? |
| 06:36.20 | eTangenT | what the |
| 06:36.24 | eTangenT | that bot hates me |
| 06:36.30 | eTangenT | ~insult _Grace |
| 06:36.41 | _Grace | eh |
| 06:36.44 | daniel_jackson | no thats not nice |
| 06:37.04 | eTangenT | daniel_jackson: _I'M_ not nice. |
| 06:37.11 | daniel_jackson | you type "~insult <username>" |
| 06:37.13 | eTangenT | That's why the FCC has me censored on network television. |
| 06:38.03 | daniel_jackson | ~lart eTangenT |
| 06:38.03 | ibot | throws eTangenT's poor little doggy off a cliff |
| 06:38.16 | eTangenT | ~lart _Grace |
| 06:38.16 | ibot | declares _Grace a moron |
| 06:38.22 | _Grace | ! |
| 06:38.23 | eTangenT | ~lart daniel_jackson |
| 06:38.23 | ibot | pulls out his louisville slugger and uses daniel_jackson's head to break the homerun record |
| 06:38.44 | _Grace | everyone else gets these huge pay outs and mine just - Grace a moron |
| 06:38.53 | daniel_jackson | ~bzfrag eTangenT |
| 06:38.55 | ibot | ACTION squishes eTangenT with a steamroller |
| 06:38.55 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 06:39.06 | eTangenT | ~bzfrag daniel_jackson |
| 06:39.08 | ibot | ACTION makes daniel_jackson feel the effects of a shockwave |
| 06:39.12 | eTangenT | take that |
| 06:39.25 | daniel_jackson | ~insult eTangenT |
| 06:39.36 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 06:39.37 | _Grace | eww |
| 06:39.59 | eTangenT | daniel_jackson: Fear the day that we give it insanity's ~confess command. |
| 06:40.04 | eTangenT | ~confess |
| 06:40.32 | daniel_jackson | ~confess eTangenT |
| 06:40.40 | _Grace | ... |
| 06:40.43 | daniel_jackson | llol |
| 06:41.16 | eTangenT | ~lart daniel_jackson |
| 06:41.16 | ibot | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at daniel_jackson |
| 06:41.21 | eTangenT | k |
| 06:41.23 | eTangenT | off to bed |
| 06:41.24 | eTangenT | good night |
| 06:41.34 | _Grace | nyt nyt =) |
| 06:41.36 | daniel_jackson | how do you find the command list |
| 06:41.55 | eTangenT | dunno |
| 06:41.57 | eTangenT | bye |
| 06:42.00 | daniel_jackson | bye |
| 06:42.01 | _Grace | ~bzflag eTangenT |
| 06:42.07 | _Grace | eh |
| 06:42.26 | _Grace | bzfrag |
| 06:42.28 | _Grace | oh i get it |
| 06:42.33 | daniel_jackson | yeah |
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| 06:43.16 | _Grace | ~bzfrag _Grace |
| 06:43.17 | ibot | ACTION skewers _Grace with a super bullet |
| 06:43.35 | daniel_jackson | try "~lart" |
| 06:43.57 | _Grace | ~lart _Grace |
| 06:43.57 | ibot | slaps _Grace upside the head with a wet fish |
| 06:44.32 | daniel_jackson | nice one |
| 06:44.35 | _Grace | ~insult _Grace |
| 06:44.52 | _Grace | sweet |
| 06:44.54 | daniel_jackson | thats a little too much' |
| 06:45.49 | _Grace | what ya up to DJ? |
| 06:46.04 | daniel_jackson | nothing much |
| 06:46.37 | daniel_jackson | if your registered you can PM me |
| 06:47.15 | daniel_jackson | or rather receive and send PM's to me |
| 06:48.13 | _Grace | registed to what? |
| 06:48.19 | _Grace | registered* |
| 06:48.35 | daniel_jackson | the freenode irc server |
| 06:49.14 | daniel_jackson | you type "/msg NickServ register _Grace" |
| 06:49.44 | _Grace | NickServ? |
| 06:49.49 | daniel_jackson | no I forgot to add password |
| 06:50.29 | daniel_jackson | yeah thats the "middle man" that communicates with the config files |
| 06:50.55 | daniel_jackson | "/msg NickServ register <password>" |
| 06:51.15 | _Grace | password, not _Grace? |
| 06:51.42 | daniel_jackson | no it knows your username already |
| 06:52.14 | daniel_jackson | its just assigning a password to that username |
| 06:52.53 | _Grace | ok i did it, now what? |
| 06:52.53 | daniel_jackson | then you type "/msg NickServ identify <password>" |
| 06:52.57 | _Grace | noh |
| 06:53.01 | _Grace | oh* |
| 06:53.06 | daniel_jackson | that logs you in |
| 06:53.31 | _Grace | Nothin happened... |
| 06:53.45 | daniel_jackson | no popup window? |
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| 06:56.21 | daniel_jackson | there she is |
| 06:56.48 | _Grace | kewl, i am now recognized =) |
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| 07:15.26 | daniel_jackson | ~bzfrag a_meteorite |
| 07:15.38 | ibot | ACTION blindsides a_meteorite with an invisible bullet |
| 07:15.45 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 07:15.49 | daniel_jackson | hey mets |
| 07:15.53 | a_meteorite | I wish I know why my client crapped out |
| 07:16.06 | daniel_jackson | user error! lol |
| 07:16.12 | a_meteorite | my client hadn't responded to Freenode like since 5:40 |
| 07:16.22 | a_meteorite | but it never disconnected me |
| 07:16.35 | a_meteorite | I figured that cause #freenode-social was dead, heh |
| 07:16.36 | daniel_jackson | wierd |
| 07:16.50 | a_meteorite | was there a netsplit? |
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| 07:16.59 | a_meteorite | (but my client should have disconnected) |
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| 07:17.40 | daniel_jackson | I don't know |
| 07:20.20 | a_meteorite | man, I keep forgetting it's 12:20am |
| 07:20.31 | a_meteorite | I fell asleep on the sofa and still have homework! |
| 07:20.40 | a_meteorite | well, I better go |
| 07:20.58 | daniel_jackson | cu and good luck on the homework |
| 07:22.25 | _Grace | Cya Met |
| 07:27.16 | _Grace | ~bzfrag daniel_jackson |
| 07:27.27 | ibot | ACTION makes daniel_jackson feel the effects of a shockwave |
| 07:29.09 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03timriker * r13959 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/ (bzflag/ComposeDefaultKey.h bzfs/Permissions.h): prep for gcc 4.3 |
| 07:37.13 | daniel_jackson | ooh gcc-4.3 |
| 07:40.28 | L4m3r | ~bzsvn |
| 07:40.39 | ibot | i heard bzsvn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag |
| 07:40.52 | L4m3r | ~bz2_0svn |
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| 09:38.30 | Birdie | maybe a strange thing to ask, but does any one have a ip from tim riker? |
| 09:38.58 | Birdie | some one wants to join the guleague with name "timriker". If its not the same person as the real Tim Riker i wont allow that |
| 09:48.13 | Manu | Birdie: look for his host name ;) |
| 09:49.01 | Manu | I can't imagine Tim playing bzflag ;) |
| 09:50.19 | Birdie | well ya that was what i was wondering |
| 09:50.36 | Manu | his kid plays bzflag |
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| 09:51.37 | Manu | but it's too young I guess |
| 09:52.19 | Birdie | how old are they? |
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| 09:52.53 | Manu | dunno exactly |
| 09:53.13 | Manu | his host is in rikers.org |
| 09:53.29 | the_j0k3r | refer to his kid as 'it'? heh . |
| 09:53.59 | Manu | the_j0k3r: was thinking in the tank ;) |
| 09:55.20 | the_j0k3r | ;) |
| 09:55.29 | Birdie | yea master brlcad gave me the ip of that |
| 09:55.56 | Manu | I also have it in viper logs |
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| 12:18.25 | CBG | ~seen JeffM2501 |
| 12:18.46 | ibot | jeffm2501 <n=JeffM@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 10h 11m 23s ago, saying: 'techincaly so is spam, you want the penis adds back?'. |
| 12:19.14 | _Grace | i was there when he said that |
| 12:19.41 | _Grace | lol |
| 12:19.48 | CBG | Me too. ;) |
| 12:19.49 | _Grace | hehe |
| 12:20.07 | CBG | Or maybe I just read it in my backlog, who knows. |
| 12:20.23 | donny_baker | did he ban himself ;) |
| 12:20.29 | CBG | lol |
| 12:20.51 | CBG | That'd have broken his double standard!! :P |
| 12:21.01 | _Grace | heh |
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| 12:43.09 | wayney | heyyyyyy |
| 12:43.30 | wayney | anyone here......? |
| 12:44.08 | wayney | boooooooo ;-( |
| 12:44.56 | wayney | 0302020202weeee |
| 12:45.02 | wayney | 04rahhhh |
| 12:45.06 | wayney | 09booooo |
| 12:45.12 | wayney | 13weeeeheeeee |
| 12:45.19 | wayney | :D |
| 12:45.50 | wayney | 01040403020105060708091011121314flobadob |
| 12:46.02 | wayney | 05!!!! |
| 12:46.22 | wayney | lol bored..... |
| 12:46.52 | Epyon | Well, that was random. |
| 12:47.32 | Manu | he was really bored |
| 13:00.26 | brlcad | huh.. someone doing web work? |
| 13:00.36 | brlcad | on m.b.o. perhaps |
| 13:00.54 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o brlcad] by ChanServ |
| 13:00.58 | Epyon | ? |
| 13:01.04 | Epyon | Whats mbo? |
| 13:01.15 | brlcad | my.bzflag.org |
| 13:01.24 | Epyon | uh, sorry :P |
| 13:05.03 | menotume | brlcad: huh ? |
| 13:05.12 | menotume | it wasn't me ! :P |
| 13:05.57 | Manu | buenos dÃas brlcad :) |
| 13:06.06 | Chestal | menotume: ProXs? wee |
| 13:06.16 | menotume | yes ! |
| 13:14.51 | brlcad | buenos dias |
| 13:15.14 | brlcad | menotume: a single http exited on 6 .. just curious what caused it |
| 13:15.38 | menotume | what's a 6 ? |
| 13:17.17 | brlcad | segfault iirc |
| 13:17.25 | menotume | eww |
| 13:17.37 | brlcad | ah not, SIGABRT |
| 13:17.58 | brlcad | so apache shut itself down |
| 13:18.48 | menotume | kill -s 6 23423 |
| 13:18.50 | menotume | ooops |
| 13:18.53 | menotume | wrong window, sry |
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| 14:00.51 | bz66 | I need help troubleshooting loading a custom map file on a LAN type server. I can't see my text on IRC. please. Email CLiberacki@yahoo.com if you can assist. |
| 14:01.33 | Manu | bz66: you can try a true IRC client like xchat |
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| 14:37.38 | brlcad | !hmm no guu |
| 14:38.10 | Birdie | that guu doesnt seem that stable:) |
| 14:38.46 | brlcad | was eating up massive cpu |
| 14:43.57 | Manu | was hungry |
| 14:44.13 | brlcad | hehe |
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| 14:47.49 | Daveman | Hello, menotume. |
| 14:52.06 | brlcad | donny_baker: is there a way to get a list of templates? |
| 14:52.19 | Daveman | Hi brlcad :) |
| 14:52.25 | brlcad | howdy |
| 14:52.54 | Daveman | I have finally found my way here. |
| 14:53.16 | brlcad | weren't you here a while ago? :) |
| 14:53.50 | donny_baker | brlcad: yes, http://my.bzflag.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=&namespace=10 (from http://my.bzflag.org/w/Special:Allpages and selected Templaes) |
| 14:53.56 | Daveman | err, how long ago? |
| 14:54.13 | brlcad | few days |
| 14:54.13 | donny_baker | s/Templaes/Template/ |
| 14:54.19 | Daveman | dubious |
| 14:54.54 | brlcad | donny_baker: interesting.. not listed on http://my.bzflag.org/w/Special:Specialpages |
| 14:55.07 | brlcad | only orphaned ones |
| 14:55.43 | Daveman | brlcad, looking for some advice from a generous supporter here ;) |
| 14:55.46 | donny_baker | All Pages is at the top of the list |
| 14:55.52 | Daveman | Whenever someone has time, that is. |
| 14:55.55 | brlcad | ah, though one of the s/orphaned/unused/ templates is exactly what I'm looking for.. Merge |
| 14:57.44 | brlcad | hmm.. templates isn't listed on all pages for me |
| 14:59.04 | donny_baker | not in the drop down? |
| 14:59.28 | brlcad | ahh |
| 15:00.02 | donny_baker | yeah, ALL Pages just shows pages in the default page space then you can change it if needed |
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| 15:00.42 | brlcad | yeah, I'm starting to "get it" |
| 15:00.59 | brlcad | i still want a silly template special though :) |
| 15:02.26 | brlcad | Daveman: advice of what sort? |
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| 15:05.18 | Daveman | targetted advice regarding the direction of my plan; additionally, I had some questions regarding the current state of some aspects of the current code :] |
| 15:07.22 | donny_baker | brlcad: hehe, yeah that would make sence... took me a while to find them too |
| 15:15.39 | brlcad | Daveman: best to just jump in with questions as they come up (whether they are general advice or otherwise) |
| 15:15.52 | brlcad | most of the guys that care read the logs and will (eventually) respond if you hang around |
| 15:16.03 | brlcad | and as always.. just |
| 15:16.04 | brlcad | ~ask |
| 15:16.13 | ibot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily. |
| 15:22.29 | Daveman | brlcad, thanks ;p |
| 15:23.17 | menotume | Daveman: hi :) |
| 15:23.21 | menotume | sry, a bit laggy |
| 15:24.09 | menotume | donny_baker: you are added to gu league group |
| 15:25.09 | Daveman | howdy |
| 15:27.15 | brlcad | Daveman: anytime ;) |
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| 15:30.47 | donny_baker | menotume: I don't think so... |
| 15:31.03 | donny_baker | menotume: oh, read that wrong, thansk |
| 15:31.15 | donny_baker | s/thansk/thanks/ |
| 15:31.35 | Manu | hi Raziel |
| 15:31.43 | Raziel | hi |
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| 16:37.46 | TimRiker | brlcad: are you planning to assign mentors to the other SoC proposals that have potential mentors? I think it would be a Good Thing so that if/when other proposals get bumped cause the proposer is accepted someplace else, we have others ready to go. |
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| 16:46.37 | TimRiker | ah silly me. brl-cad is open source. |
| 16:47.36 | TimRiker | ooh. with a debian package too. |
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| 16:53.33 | brlcad | TimRiker: we're a day or two away from a major release at the moment, but yes.. open source goodness |
| 16:54.21 | brlcad | yeah, I'll assign some more, though we already have more assigned than slots originall requested |
| 16:54.42 | brlcad | anything in particular you want up there? |
| 16:58.01 | brlcad | fyi, the tutorials for brl-cad are pretty much requisite (on the main website) for use and they only scratch the surface .. none of this four clicks and you're playing usability (yet) ;) |
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| 17:05.35 | CThinkTanker | hey all |
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| 17:42.43 | brlcad | JeffM2501: sold it? |
| 17:42.47 | brlcad | or hammer |
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| 17:43.42 | JeffM2501 | sold it |
| 17:43.55 | JeffM2501 | been paid for, and is now in the hands of our shiping dude |
| 17:45.15 | JeffM2501 | it's been replaced by a laptop :) |
| 17:48.59 | RatOmeter | lasermania. Arrrr! |
| 17:52.18 | RatOmeter | anyone wanna play some lasermania? we've got 3 people there now |
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| 17:55.13 | Daveman | Hi Tim |
| 18:02.27 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, when do the SoC numbers have to be turned in? |
| 18:02.29 | JeffM2501 | this week? |
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| 18:06.31 | brlcad | JeffM2501: by the 11th |
| 18:06.52 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok |
| 18:11.25 | JeffM2501 | is the badgerking fourm used anymore? |
| 18:11.26 | JeffM2501 | anyone know? |
| 18:11.28 | SpazzyMcGee | It is, occasionally. |
| 18:11.29 | JeffM2501 | the comunication in it seems rather low to warrant a full fourm |
| 18:11.29 | SpazzyMcGee | I would agree |
| 18:11.33 | SpazzyMcGee | PM badgerking. |
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| 18:12.54 | jftsang | joining as a tank |
| 18:17.53 | JeffM2501 | I just like to check up on private forums that are dead for over a month |
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| 18:19.12 | SpazzyMcGee | Are there many private forums? |
| 18:19.28 | JeffM2501 | a couple |
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| 18:23.23 | CBG | TimRiker: thanks (just got your reply email) :) |
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| 19:15.07 | big_daddy2 | is anyone htere? |
| 19:15.16 | Manu | nope |
| 19:15.20 | big_daddy2 | lol |
| 19:15.29 | Winny | *tumble weed* |
| 19:15.36 | big_daddy2 | *crys* |
| 19:15.41 | big_daddy2 | oh well |
| 19:16.17 | big_daddy2 | can anyone host a 24\7 map for me? |
| 19:16.25 | Winny | nope |
| 19:16.30 | SpazzyMcGee | It's unlikely |
| 19:16.30 | big_daddy2 | dang |
| 19:16.44 | Winny | most people who have server host thier own maps :) |
| 19:16.51 | big_daddy2 | very good map...................... |
| 19:17.06 | big_daddy2 | well i can but its on my computer |
| 19:17.09 | SpazzyMcGee | Don't get your hopes up. It's their time/bandwidth/money. |
| 19:17.20 | big_daddy2 | i need some one with a server |
| 19:17.24 | tupone | we are about at 300 server? |
| 19:17.52 | Winny | 243 yesterday |
| 19:19.00 | big_daddy2 | uh my freind (halo3) has like 4 27\4 map by other people for free, but i can't get one, lol |
| 19:19.13 | big_daddy2 | *24\7 |
| 19:19.19 | SpazzyMcGee | I'd say about 80 players, so that's three servers per player. |
| 19:19.43 | Winny | no offense, but halo3's maps are well, uh |
| 19:19.45 | Winny | you know |
| 19:19.51 | SpazzyMcGee | heh |
| 19:19.54 | big_daddy2 | mine are way better |
| 19:19.58 | big_daddy2 | just go look |
| 19:20.06 | big_daddy2 | once i get a HOST |
| 19:20.25 | Winny | you a 1337 mapper? |
| 19:20.31 | big_daddy2 | what? |
| 19:20.42 | blast007 | big_daddy2: have any screenshots? |
| 19:20.59 | big_daddy2 | i can host the map |
| 19:21.04 | big_daddy2 | and show you |
| 19:21.09 | blast007 | all I want is a screenshot |
| 19:21.14 | big_daddy2 | fine |
| 19:21.15 | blast007 | can't play the game, as I'm at work |
| 19:21.20 | big_daddy2 | ill go get some |
| 19:21.24 | TD-Linux | I can put it on norang maybe, if it looks good. |
| 19:21.25 | big_daddy2 | gota go |
| 19:21.41 | TimRiker | CBG: np. (just read your reply here.... :) |
| 19:22.02 | SpazzyMcGee | urgh. People should learn to spell. |
| 19:22.28 | Winny | "look at dis map bye mii!" |
| 19:22.43 | TimRiker | ooh, tis phat |
| 19:22.56 | SpazzyMcGee | heh |
| 19:23.21 | blast007 | :) |
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| 19:24.26 | big_daddy2 | back |
| 19:24.40 | CBG | front |
| 19:24.40 | SpazzyMcGee | Oh, goodie. |
| 19:24.43 | donny_baker | we were waiting :) |
| 19:24.55 | big_daddy2 | lol |
| 19:25.09 | big_daddy2 | how do u take screen shot again? |
| 19:25.12 | big_daddy2 | im stupid |
| 19:25.14 | SpazzyMcGee | rofl |
| 19:25.21 | donny_baker | f5 |
| 19:25.22 | Winny | f12 |
| 19:25.26 | Winny | err, f5 |
| 19:25.26 | big_daddy2 | thanks, brb |
| 19:25.38 | donny_baker | ~Winny++ |
| 19:27.57 | Winny | ~karma me |
| 19:27.58 | ibot | me has karma of 3 |
| 19:28.04 | Winny | err... :p |
| 19:28.07 | CBG | s/ me// |
| 19:28.32 | big_daddy2 | me got karma of -999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 |
| 19:28.46 | CBG | you wish you did ;) |
| 19:29.01 | CBG | ~karma |
| 19:29.01 | ibot | cbg has karma of -454 |
| 19:29.05 | Winny | ~big_daddy2-- |
| 19:29.50 | big_daddy2 | ~donny_baker++ |
| 19:30.16 | SpazzyMcGee | big_daddy2: Have you worked out how to take a screenshot or not? |
| 19:30.25 | big_daddy2 | ya |
| 19:30.34 | big_daddy2 | i just sending them to blast |
| 19:30.35 | SpazzyMcGee | imageshack.us |
| 19:30.41 | SpazzyMcGee | chop chop |
| 19:31.15 | big_daddy2 | ~karma big_daddy2 |
| 19:31.15 | ibot | big_daddy2 has karma of -1 |
| 19:31.20 | big_daddy2 | hey |
| 19:31.26 | big_daddy2 | thanks |
| 19:31.57 | big_daddy2 | ~karma donny_baker |
| 19:31.57 | ibot | donny_baker has karma of 24 |
| 19:32.03 | big_daddy2 | lol |
| 19:32.08 | big_daddy2 | -1 to 24 |
| 19:32.29 | Winny | Your very observant. |
| 19:32.39 | CBG | You're* |
| 19:32.50 | Winny | What he said |
| 19:33.17 | TD-Linux | a range of 25! |
| 19:33.28 | Winny | ~TD_Linux++ |
| 19:33.40 | Winny | blast007: yea, probably |
| 19:33.47 | Winny | not too much grey matter |
| 19:33.58 | TD-Linux | a min of -1! a max of 24! a mean of 13! a mode of 13! |
| 19:34.40 | SpazzyMcGee | TD-Linux, not a mode of 13 |
| 19:35.01 | SpazzyMcGee | There is no mode, since there is an equal number of every number. |
| 19:35.07 | TD-Linux | oh wait |
| 19:35.11 | TD-Linux | I meant median :P |
| 19:35.14 | CBG | I wanna know how you got that mean too, |
| 19:35.20 | TD-Linux | oops |
| 19:35.22 | TD-Linux | ARGH |
| 19:35.37 | TD-Linux | 11.5 |
| 19:35.40 | CBG | Go back to Math class. :P |
| 19:35.44 | blast007 | hehe |
| 19:36.01 | TD-Linux | I'm doing it in my head, my TI is downstairs, I can't think without it |
| 19:36.24 | TD-Linux | oh, wait, I have an emulator! >:-D |
| 19:36.28 | CBG | I'm getting a bug whereby I spawn on a base but thus cannot move or jump - all I can do is shoot in whatever direction I'm pointing... Any ideas? |
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| 19:36.42 | Winny | probably searching his desktop for his IRC window |
| 19:36.55 | blast007 | CBG: tell the other team to stop putting crazy glue on your base |
| 19:37.08 | CBG | blast007: they swore they didn't do that |
| 19:37.13 | blast007 | they lied! |
| 19:37.26 | CBG | I washed the base many times, it's not glue. |
| 19:37.31 | SpazzyMcGee | CBG: is there anything unusual about the base, i.e. it's position |
| 19:37.48 | SpazzyMcGee | ? |
| 19:37.54 | CBG | base \n size 20 20 3 \n position -580 0 0.1 \n color 3 \n end |
| 19:37.58 | blast007 | SpazzyMcGee: it's positioned inside the Bermuda Triangle |
| 19:38.06 | blast007 | but that wouldn't do anything, right? |
| 19:38.23 | SpazzyMcGee | heh |
| 19:38.30 | CBG | no error/warning mentioned with -dddd bzfs output |
| 19:38.45 | SpazzyMcGee | CBG: is this on normandy? |
| 19:38.50 | CBG | uhuh |
| 19:38.57 | SpazzyMcGee | Whack it in a pastebin. |
| 19:39.11 | CBG | ya'll can come see: cbg.sh.nu:10001 |
| 19:40.23 | Daveman | darn |
| 19:40.52 | Daveman | menotume disappeared :\ |
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| 19:48.37 | The_Vaxorcist | Hmm, my little project is snowballing |
| 19:49.40 | The_Vaxorcist | I'm trying to add a way to ping a server from the server list |
| 19:49.57 | ruskie | little project? |
| 19:50.03 | The_Vaxorcist | yeah |
| 19:50.25 | JeffM2501 | not very simple is it? |
| 19:50.54 | The_Vaxorcist | well - I'm getting there |
| 19:51.00 | JeffM2501 | cool |
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| 19:51.18 | The_Vaxorcist | first I thought it wouldn't be that hard |
| 19:51.37 | CBG | Still got this "cant move or jump when on base" bug... no ideas? :/ |
| 19:51.55 | The_Vaxorcist | ruskie: I'm trying to add a way to ping a server from the server list |
| 19:52.06 | brlcad | tupone: nifty :) |
| 19:52.06 | ruskie | ahhh |
| 19:52.06 | The_Vaxorcist | to calcutate the lag |
| 19:52.09 | big_daddy2 | ~karma jeffM2501 |
| 19:52.09 | ibot | jeffm2501 has karma of 366 |
| 19:52.15 | big_daddy2 | kool |
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| 19:53.23 | CBG | [8:51pm] <The_Vaxorcist> first I thought it wouldn't be that hard --- but then I _looked_ at the bz code ! :P |
| 19:53.25 | brlcad | tupone: nifty screenie :) |
| 19:53.40 | tupone | when where? |
| 19:53.49 | brlcad | wiki |
| 19:54.49 | tupone | one is full of shadows, but is hell slow. The other is fast but hacked |
| 19:55.07 | brlcad | yeah, noticed the rate |
| 19:55.48 | The_Vaxorcist | cbg, Yeah - I'm learning how bzflag works as I go along |
| 19:56.17 | CBG | :) |
| 19:56.36 | The_Vaxorcist | not really that bad, though |
| 19:57.08 | JeffM2501 | tupone, what do you mean by "hacked"? |
| 19:57.19 | The_Vaxorcist | I'm just like - oh, I'll need to do my own net IO |
| 19:57.32 | tupone | the sky is just a texture |
| 19:57.43 | tupone | the light is just an ambient light |
| 19:58.02 | JeffM2501 | ahh no shadows? |
| 19:58.05 | tupone | I think I've removed lighting to most of the things |
| 19:58.21 | tupone | the first is with, the 2nd is without |
| 19:58.53 | tupone | from 31 FPS to 282 |
| 19:58.59 | TimRiker | after some gigaclicks with wings you will see through the skybox facade. |
| 20:00.18 | tupone | but I guess some FPS change is even due to the different scene. Maybe the same scene with shadow is about 80 FPS |
| 20:00.50 | CBG | Is there some client setting so that I dont have to redownload textures everytime I join a server...? |
| 20:00.54 | tupone | skybox travel with you |
| 20:01.04 | tupone | at least in CS |
| 20:02.03 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's one method |
| 20:02.04 | JeffM2501 | it works |
| 20:02.21 | JeffM2501 | they sky is far enough away to not need proper perspective |
| 20:02.30 | tupone | yep |
| 20:02.49 | donny_baker | cbg: uhmmm.... no don't think so |
| 20:02.51 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, happens now with our skycone :) |
| 20:03.01 | JeffM2501 | CBG, it should be caching them |
| 20:03.05 | JeffM2501 | and only download once |
| 20:03.25 | CBG | hmm :/ it aint |
| 20:03.33 | JeffM2501 | then that thar be a bug |
| 20:03.37 | CBG | Options: Cache Settings: Cache Size (MB): 100 <-- that's it ? |
| 20:03.48 | JeffM2501 | is your cache super full? |
| 20:03.57 | CBG | unlikely |
| 20:04.12 | CBG | ah, actually, maybe |
| 20:04.21 | CBG | well, 23 MB |
| 20:05.24 | JeffM2501 | clear your cache and see if it still does it |
| 20:05.34 | JeffM2501 | cus that's the point of the cache is to download once. |
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| 20:06.52 | CBG | JeffM2501: still re-downloads when I join a server for the 2nd time :/ |
| 20:07.01 | JeffM2501 | then that's not right |
| 20:07.42 | tupone | CBG have you tried with -d -d (dunno how many) to havecurl debugging |
| 20:11.57 | CBG | ok, see output from 4 debug levels at http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/422921 |
| 20:12.38 | CBG | see likes 485, 486, 677 and 678 |
| 20:13.41 | blast007 | CBG: is it all servers? |
| 20:13.43 | CBG | lines* |
| 20:17.07 | menotume | what's your cahce size set to ? |
| 20:17.08 | JeffM2501 | maybe the modified date is jacked on the web server |
| 20:17.08 | CBG | better link: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/422926 |
| 20:17.08 | CBG | menotume: 100 MB |
| 20:17.08 | menotume | has it always been 100 ? |
| 20:17.11 | tupone | CURLOPT_FILETIME error 2 I think that is causing it |
| 20:17.23 | CBG | menotume: probably not |
| 20:17.56 | tupone | and Pragma: no-cache ... dunno if that is causing that error |
| 20:18.48 | CBG | blast007: both servers I have tried, yes |
| 20:19.00 | tupone | lighttpd/1.4.8 ?? |
| 20:19.01 | menotume | it looks liek it's deleting other stuff in cahce to make room? |
| 20:19.12 | CBG | the cache is currently empty |
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| 20:19.21 | CBG | I cleaned out the folder |
| 20:19.24 | tupone | this seems to work |
| 20:19.34 | tupone | maybe not all are reloaded |
| 20:24.00 | JeffM2501 | is there a standard HTTP way to get a file time? |
| 20:24.11 | tupone | yep |
| 20:24.23 | tupone | curl is using that |
| 20:24.45 | Daveman | hey menotume :) |
| 20:24.52 | blast007 | JeffM2501: the HEAD request probably gives then |
| 20:25.01 | blast007 | that* |
| 20:25.41 | Daveman | darn I need advice on my implementation direction :P |
| 20:26.16 | menotume | Daveman: North |
| 20:26.20 | Daveman | heehee |
| 20:26.58 | menotume | implementation of what ? |
| 20:27.03 | Daveman | more like, specific integration of the httpd and appropriate handling of subsequent call requests on the bzfs port |
| 20:27.04 | CBG | Noo! There is plague to the north, head south by south east, my friend. |
| 20:27.09 | Daveman | heehee |
| 20:27.28 | Daveman | south my southeast? for great avian injustice? |
| 20:27.41 | CBG | Heh |
| 20:28.09 | menotume | ohhhhh, GSOC ? |
| 20:28.44 | menotume | ahhh, Dave B. :) |
| 20:29.03 | Daveman | Yeah, I'm working of fixing up all the missing details in my unfortunately ambigous proposal ;) |
| 20:29.17 | Daveman | I'm just sorry I didn't check that e-mail sooner :p |
| 20:29.27 | menotume | well, is there a package availble that provides a small footprint httpd ? |
| 20:30.01 | Daveman | are you asking whether there is a preexisting lite httpd which would be suitable for this implementation? |
| 20:30.15 | Daveman | If so, certainly. |
| 20:30.19 | menotume | yes |
| 20:30.20 | menotume | or ... |
| 20:30.43 | menotume | perhaps use apache or whatever ... |
| 20:30.49 | menotume | php lib to talk to bzfs |
| 20:30.55 | menotume | dunno, just throwing out ideas |
| 20:31.01 | Daveman | Sure :) |
| 20:31.17 | menotume | I think that they really want YOU to propose the design :) |
| 20:31.26 | Daveman | Of that I am aware. |
| 20:31.30 | menotume | :) |
| 20:31.51 | menotume | Have you looked at bzfs source at all ? |
| 20:32.05 | CBG | don't scare the lad away, menotume ! |
| 20:32.12 | menotume | rofl |
| 20:32.14 | Daveman | However, due to my present unfamiliarity with the bzfs system, codebase, and intricacies it seemed only logical that I ask for a bit of assistance in the matter. Let's see if I can formulate some specific ideas :p |
| 20:32.18 | brlcad | for a maintainable integration with bzfs, it really should be something embedded, light, or custom .. easy enough to either write a simple http server or embed a light one |
| 20:32.19 | menotume | right, don't look at that :P |
| 20:32.20 | Daveman | :D |
| 20:32.25 | Daveman | haha |
| 20:32.33 | Daveman | yeah yeah, we all have our scary internal magics |
| 20:32.35 | CBG | ;) |
| 20:32.36 | Daveman | ;] |
| 20:32.43 | brlcad | hooking it up to apache would be annoying and impossible for some setups |
| 20:32.52 | menotume | ? |
| 20:33.19 | menotume | i was thinking just a php page that talks to bzfs :) |
| 20:33.23 | brlcad | you might be on a system where you can run bzfs, but your ability to run or integrate with apache could be a non-starter |
| 20:33.31 | menotume | ok |
| 20:33.39 | brlcad | ah, that's a possibility true |
| 20:33.41 | brlcad | just icky |
| 20:33.47 | Daveman | :\ |
| 20:33.53 | menotume | keeps bzfs light, and allows php |
| 20:34.07 | Daveman | php, heh. |
| 20:34.14 | CBG | php roxorz |
| 20:34.17 | brlcad | php for the sake of php? :) |
| 20:34.24 | menotume | well, no, anything |
| 20:34.25 | CBG | of course! |
| 20:34.31 | menotume | perl, c GIC, whatever |
| 20:34.34 | Daveman | huhu |
| 20:34.35 | CBG | pff |
| 20:34.51 | Daveman | Whatever, the language shouldn't really matter ;) |
| 20:35.23 | menotume | well, if embedded or custom, what will it support ? |
| 20:35.30 | Daveman | As brlcad has alluded to, earlier, any ideas shouldn't really start any holy wars ;) |
| 20:35.32 | brlcad | i'd think it nice to have it deliver up template pages where bzfs fills in values and returns the pages, pages are predefined as shipped |
| 20:35.40 | Daveman | right |
| 20:35.51 | menotume | k |
| 20:35.56 | Daveman | xml? |
| 20:36.07 | brlcad | doesn't allow for dynamic content, but then the content we're delivering isn't dynamic |
| 20:36.09 | Daveman | or some sort of template |
| 20:36.39 | Erroneous | mmm, holy wars |
| 20:36.41 | menotume | are we thinking of 'remote' user ? |
| 20:36.49 | menotume | ike, security issues |
| 20:36.56 | Daveman | Hmm? |
| 20:37.10 | menotume | https ? |
| 20:37.25 | Daveman | That's simple. |
| 20:37.29 | menotume | : |
| 20:37.30 | menotume | :) |
| 20:37.34 | Daveman | SO far as I know ;) |
| 20:37.46 | Daveman | that is, so long as bzfs and I understand eachother, down the road ;) |
| 20:37.53 | Daveman | otherwise I'll have to make it understand! >:) |
| 20:37.59 | menotume | well, i think a main goal is small footprint for bzfs |
| 20:38.37 | JeffM2501 | it's all going to be optional at compile time right? |
| 20:38.50 | JeffM2501 | so if a server dosn't want/need web admin you can build it with out right? |
| 20:38.51 | menotume | it should be yes |
| 20:38.53 | Daveman | I mean, if it's as simple as integrating a small httpd into bzfs, which will handle responses, and the httpd stuff can be self-contained, e.g. ssl, hostconf, then I don't foresee any immediate issues with setting that up. |
| 20:38.58 | Daveman | Heck I could start testing out some :) |
| 20:39.12 | Daveman | hahaha, I just had a nightmare |
| 20:39.14 | TD-Linux | is this going to be a plugin or part of bzfs? |
| 20:39.16 | Daveman | thanks jeffm |
| 20:39.20 | JeffM2501 | but he did |
| 20:39.28 | TD-Linux | oh, part of bzfs, I see |
| 20:39.30 | menotume | TD-Linux: tbd |
| 20:39.43 | Daveman | personally I think it's a great idea |
| 20:39.45 | menotume | probably main-line bzfs, but optional compile |
| 20:39.47 | TD-Linux | the old masterbot project did that |
| 20:39.54 | TD-Linux | we built a server in a plugin |
| 20:40.09 | JeffM2501 | make an API that is called on each non player connection then a plug-in can opt to accept it |
| 20:40.11 | TD-Linux | it was a custom server though, not http, and php connected to it and did stuff |
| 20:40.14 | JeffM2501 | and handle all it's traffic |
| 20:40.22 | JeffM2501 | then you can have more then just HTTP ;) |
| 20:40.28 | JeffM2501 | gopher based admin anyone? ;) |
| 20:40.48 | TD-Linux | that sounds good |
| 20:40.54 | Daveman | o.O |
| 20:41.11 | JeffM2501 | then it dosn't affect the base bzflag build, but can be droped in |
| 20:41.46 | Daveman | What's your take on that, meno? |
| 20:41.48 | JeffM2501 | but I guess that's not powerplant enough |
| 20:41.49 | Daveman | :| |
| 20:41.53 | Daveman | heh |
| 20:41.54 | TD-Linux | a new socket interface part of the api sounds good |
| 20:42.21 | JeffM2501 | you'd just have the plugin install a handler that is tracked with the nethandler object for the player |
| 20:42.25 | TD-Linux | so something can connect to bzfs but talk to a plugin instead of being a player |
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| 20:42.50 | JeffM2501 | if the custom handler dosn't exist it's a player |
| 20:43.05 | JeffM2501 | bz_eWTFEvent |
| 20:43.32 | Daveman | hmm |
| 20:43.55 | JeffM2501 | it may seem like I'm all about the API, but realy I just love modularity :) |
| 20:44.57 | Daveman | oh man |
| 20:44.57 | Erroneous | someone(tm) wanted to use an http-compatible connect sequence, which would imply a certain level of integration |
| 20:45.00 | Daveman | so well organized... |
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| 20:45.14 | JeffM2501 | ahh that is correct |
| 20:45.34 | JeffM2501 | why not just turn it arround, if it's not BZFS connect sequence, then let somone else handle it |
| 20:45.36 | Daveman | Where is the Net stuff handled? |
| 20:45.38 | JeffM2501 | just my idea |
| 20:45.51 | JeffM2501 | Daveman, depdens, it's done in a couple places |
| 20:45.52 | Daveman | valid opinions, I suppose :p |
| 20:46.03 | JeffM2501 | the raw net is done low level in the nethandlers |
| 20:46.04 | Daveman | Care to elaborate? |
| 20:46.08 | Daveman | right |
| 20:46.11 | JeffM2501 | the message stuff is done in bzfs.cxx |
| 20:46.15 | Erroneous | net is handled all over the place in bzfs |
| 20:46.17 | Daveman | okay |
| 20:46.22 | Daveman | haha |
| 20:46.37 | JeffM2501 | then those are spread out, processed, then sent back out via the nethandler all over |
| 20:46.48 | Erroneous | void pointers to packet buffers ftw |
| 20:46.49 | Daveman | gee, great |
| 20:46.50 | JeffM2501 | I've been trying to put all the message pack and unpack stuff into a set of files. |
| 20:46.53 | Daveman | -_- |
| 20:46.56 | JeffM2501 | but it's not all done |
| 20:47.01 | Daveman | apparently |
| 20:47.11 | Daveman | thanks though |
| 20:47.14 | Erroneous | yeah, so right now it's even worse than it used to be :P |
| 20:47.16 | JeffM2501 | hey at least bzfs isn't one file anymore ;) |
| 20:47.18 | Daveman | I'm trying to familiarize myself with the net base |
| 20:47.21 | Erroneous | heh, true |
| 20:47.28 | Daveman | hahaha, JeffM |
| 20:47.33 | Daveman | terrible |
| 20:47.34 | Erroneous | used to be |
| 20:47.40 | Erroneous | one ~250kb source file |
| 20:47.50 | JeffM2501 | it's old code man :) |
| 20:47.52 | Daveman | hey, at least it's "sort of" C++ |
| 20:48.02 | Erroneous | used to be more c-ish than it is now too |
| 20:48.06 | Daveman | clearly |
| 20:48.15 | Erroneous | at least we have some, y'know, objects and stuff now :) |
| 20:48.17 | JeffM2501 | it was writen back in 92-93 |
| 20:48.26 | Daveman | I take it there are not multiple branches being maintained at this time, for that reason? |
| 20:48.31 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:48.33 | JeffM2501 | just the one |
| 20:48.36 | Daveman | yeah |
| 20:48.44 | JeffM2501 | ahh not you said :) |
| 20:48.57 | JeffM2501 | we have a 2.0.x compatable one for fixes, and then the main dev |
| 20:48.58 | Daveman | :p |
| 20:49.13 | Erroneous | we should release 2.2 sometime |
| 20:49.22 | JeffM2501 | we should do lots of things |
| 20:49.24 | Daveman | hmm, playerData |
| 20:49.37 | Daveman | I'm kind of getting into this code :D |
| 20:49.46 | JeffM2501 | I've put all my moves into bzfsClientMessages and bzfsMessage |
| 20:50.00 | JeffM2501 | client messages is all the stuff we get FROM players |
| 20:50.05 | JeffM2501 | well that I've done so far |
| 20:50.16 | JeffM2501 | the bzfsMessags is all the stuff we send out |
| 20:50.17 | Daveman | haha, hail tidy |
| 20:50.23 | Erroneous | Daveman: the great thing about it being such a mess, is that it's hard to make it any worse if you're halfway conscientious :) |
| 20:50.30 | Erroneous | or halfway concious :) |
| 20:50.34 | Daveman | gee... great... |
| 20:50.39 | brlcad | menotume: i don't think keeping bzfs "light" is so much of a concern itself as is keeping the entire connection process light/simple to set up |
| 20:50.46 | JeffM2501 | I was doing it as I was adding server side players. |
| 20:50.58 | brlcad | integrated with bzfs either on the same port of a different port, directly, is about as simple as it gets |
| 20:51.08 | Daveman | I suppose that's one optimistic method of looking at the project :p |
| 20:51.35 | brlcad | ~spell concious |
| 20:51.50 | Daveman | conscious? |
| 20:51.56 | Daveman | -_- |
| 20:51.59 | Daveman | Anyhoo |
| 20:52.07 | Erroneous | hey, some of this code was written while not conscious :) |
| 20:52.15 | Erroneous | drunk/asleep/whatever :) |
| 20:52.17 | JeffM2501 | I did rain while drunk |
| 20:52.19 | JeffM2501 | and bitter |
| 20:53.18 | Daveman | hmm okay, so I guess I need to decide on a particular direction and detail that out, despite JeffM's various opinions ;) |
| 20:53.22 | Erroneous | or should I say...Erroneous signal |
| 20:53.24 | Erroneous | hahaha |
| 20:53.50 | JeffM2501 | oh I'll say to put anything in a plug-in |
| 20:54.06 | Daveman | That was my initial opinion, but then some suggested integration with bzfs |
| 20:54.16 | Erroneous | you say to put everything in a plugin, JeffM2501 :P |
| 20:54.19 | JeffM2501 | they will say to put everyitng in bzfs ;) |
| 20:54.20 | Daveman | haha |
| 20:54.42 | Daveman | settle down kids |
| 20:54.42 | Erroneous | there are different ways of handling it |
| 20:54.58 | Daveman | TIMTOWTDI |
| 20:55.19 | Daveman | yay pearl? :p |
| 20:55.21 | Erroneous | yup yup |
| 20:55.26 | TD-Linux | ~wtf TIMTOWTDI |
| 20:55.28 | JeffM2501 | yeah both are valid |
| 20:55.34 | JeffM2501 | I'm just a fan of modularity |
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| 20:55.37 | Erroneous | TD-Linux: there is more than one way to do it |
| 20:55.47 | JeffM2501 | excuse me? |
| 20:55.54 | TD-Linux | Erroneous: thanks : |
| 20:55.54 | Daveman | heh |
| 20:55.55 | TD-Linux | ) |
| 20:56.02 | CBG | there's a heck of a lot of ways to do IT |
| 20:56.05 | CBG | there are books on it... |
| 20:56.07 | Daveman | Indeed. |
| 20:56.16 | Daveman | Books on bzfs modularity and integration methods? |
| 20:56.18 | Daveman | heh |
| 20:56.21 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure it'll end up with some parts of it in bzfs, but I'd like to see hooks to the API to mod it at least |
| 20:56.24 | Daveman | Erroneous :o |
| 20:56.29 | Daveman | right |
| 20:56.32 | CBG | Daveman: look up karma sutra for example |
| 20:56.39 | JeffM2501 | as I know people will want to do other stuff with it that is never planed |
| 20:56.44 | JeffM2501 | our comunity has proven that |
| 20:56.45 | Daveman | right |
| 20:56.47 | Daveman | SEE! |
| 20:56.54 | Daveman | I'm so torn between direction now :\ |
| 20:56.55 | Erroneous | yeah, there's got to be some method of doing crazy stuff through plugins |
| 20:57.24 | Daveman | hooray plugins! |
| 20:57.36 | Daveman | hooray beer! |
| 20:57.44 | Daveman | Anyway, back to my problem |
| 20:58.02 | Daveman | Is Tim around? |
| 20:58.06 | JeffM2501 | rarely |
| 20:58.24 | Erroneous | Daveman: you can always try pinging him |
| 20:58.28 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 20:58.56 | Erroneous | mmm, plugins and beer, dangerous combination |
| 20:59.00 | Erroneous | hehe |
| 20:59.07 | Erroneous | bzfscron was a crazy, crazy plugin |
| 20:59.32 | Daveman | All this conversation is very enticing and whatnot, but isn't very helpful :] |
| 20:59.43 | Erroneous | heh, I do believe it's the only plugin I've ever bothered writing too :) |
| 20:59.46 | JeffM2501 | weapon arena is crazy too |
| 21:00.02 | JeffM2501 | Daveman, welcome to OSS ;) |
| 21:00.20 | Daveman | Jeff, I'm perfectly familiar with OSS, thanks. |
| 21:00.33 | Daveman | Though you guys are pretty silly. |
| 21:00.46 | TD-Linux | you should have seen before #bzchat |
| 21:01.03 | TD-Linux | well... that and the league channels |
| 21:01.05 | Erroneous | we're not silly, we're just insane |
| 21:01.14 | TD-Linux | #bzchat is rather silent |
| 21:01.23 | Winny | Speak for yourself, DTD :p |
| 21:01.27 | Winny | err, DTR |
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| 21:01.39 | Erroneous | Winny: I do believe I just did :P |
| 21:06.52 | donny_baker | TD-Linux: they have just give us our meds over on #bzchat |
| 21:15.36 | Epyon | Any new info on slotcount? |
| 21:17.30 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:17.34 | JeffM2501 | we don't know till the 11th |
| 21:17.35 | JeffM2501 | IIRC |
| 21:20.31 | Epyon | JeffM2501, I heard that the slotcount is known earlier?? |
| 21:20.54 | JeffM2501 | well we requested our slots |
| 21:20.55 | CBG | Now that there are more devs present, I'll ask again..: I'm getting a bug whereby I spawn on a base but thus cannot move or jump - all I can do is shoot in whatever direction I'm pointing... Any ideas? |
| 21:20.59 | Epyon | How can you handle conflicts if you don't know the slotcount? :| |
| 21:21.04 | JeffM2501 | dunno |
| 21:21.24 | Erroneous | 5 PM Pacific on Wednesday, April 4, 2007 |
| 21:22.31 | JBdiGriz | JeffM2501 handles conflicts with an axe handle. |
| 21:22.32 | Erroneous | which means we really need to get mentors assigned for each app that we want to be accepted. Chris has stated that their intention is to accept as many applications as possible, and that in most cases that will end up being limited only by how many mentors are assigned. |
| 21:22.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah he did asignments for our topmost |
| 21:23.03 | JeffM2501 | all above the blue line |
| 21:23.16 | Epyon | whois Chris? |
| 21:23.29 | CBG | Epyon: about 26 hours 40 mins from now, I'd say |
| 21:23.49 | Erroneous | he was saying that the blue line can potentially move downwards, i.e. an org which requested 6 might get 8 |
| 21:23.51 | Epyon | CBG, thanks :) |
| 21:23.53 | CBG | 5 PM PST is midnight GMT, I believe. |
| 21:24.00 | Erroneous | so we should assign well past the blue line |
| 21:24.33 | Erroneous | if we want the applications anyway |
| 21:24.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah well the "we" part of that is one dude |
| 21:25.19 | Epyon | Erroneous, my calculations say that if google wants to allow 800 aps again for 138 projects that won't give 6 slots per app :/ |
| 21:25.59 | Epyon | Erroneous, and if they won't go for equal for everybody then I guess the more "useful" (as opposed to "fun") apps will get more. |
| 21:26.15 | Erroneous | Epyon: a number of orgs have only requested a few |
| 21:26.17 | Epyon | Or is there a error in my logic? |
| 21:26.39 | Erroneous | your logic is fine, your expected standard deviation is lower than mine :) |
| 21:27.01 | Manu | Erroneous: applications under the blue line are less likely to be accepted but you can click to mentor it |
| 21:27.11 | Erroneous | Manu: yes, I know |
| 21:27.27 | Manu | another thing is google will give us enough slots ;) |
| 21:27.37 | Epyon | Today I had a nightmare that BZF got two (yeah, I was dreaming about that. No, I'm not *that* a geek( |
| 21:27.38 | Erroneous | Manu: the maximum number of slots an organization will recieve is the number of mentors who are *assigned* |
| 21:27.41 | Erroneous | not requested |
| 21:27.55 | Manu | yes |
| 21:28.12 | Erroneous | Epyon: why is that a nightmare? |
| 21:28.47 | Erroneous | not that we'd like it very much |
| 21:28.56 | Epyon | Erroneous, would you be happy with two? Anyway, that would probably kick me off the list. |
| 21:29.23 | JBdiGriz | We will be happy with whatever we get. |
| 21:29.45 | Manu | JBdiGriz: you are right :) |
| 21:30.10 | Manu | of course 10 better than 3 |
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| 21:30.23 | Epyon | JBdiGriz, also true, yet it would be sad to have to pick just two apps (that is if you got lot more good ones) |
| 21:30.38 | Erroneous | I'd be extremely pleased with anything over about 5 |
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| 21:31.21 | JBdiGriz | At some point, most of these projects will be implemented in the game. Google is wonderful as they are assisting us with getting some of them done sooner, and people will actually make some money from it. |
| 21:31.27 | TD-Linux | ~lart JBdiGriz |
| 21:31.28 | ibot | gives JBdiGriz a good seeing to |
| 21:32.21 | Epyon | JBdiGriz, and I guess you have quite a couple good new ideas (or new proposals for solving) from these apps alone :) |
| 21:32.49 | Erroneous | sure, a lot of good discussion has come about |
| 21:33.24 | JBdiGriz | There are several good proposals, and several good applicants. I'm happy for that, and I'm hoping that all of you applicants will continue to hang out in the community whether Google sponsors you or not. |
| 21:34.27 | Erroneous | or else JBdiGriz has higher standards than I do :) |
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| 21:34.40 | Manu | Erroneous: what's the other application you want to select? |
| 21:34.51 | JBdiGriz | I've already admitted to being crotchety and ill-tempered. What else do you want? |
| 21:35.05 | Erroneous | Manu: hmm? |
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| 21:36.17 | Manu | Erroneous: don't you want to mentor another application? |
| 21:36.29 | Erroneous | Manu: I've marked the ones I'm willing to mentor |
| 21:36.47 | Erroneous | Manu: and there are some mentors who have no assigned applications, I think |
| 21:36.49 | Manu | Erroneous: yes, I only can see one |
| 21:37.01 | Erroneous | Manu: I've only been assigned to one |
| 21:37.07 | Manu | ah |
| 21:37.19 | Manu | so I missunerstood you, sry |
| 21:37.38 | Erroneous | some of those that say "ownership requested" I've marked as willing. Though there are some mentors who have no applications assigned yet |
| 21:37.46 | Manu | misunderstood* |
| 21:38.10 | Manu | I guess it's automatic along the time |
| 21:38.21 | Manu | olders get marked |
| 21:38.25 | Erroneous | Manu: hardly anything is automatic |
| 21:38.52 | Manu | Erroneous: I can imagine a google guy clicking it ;) |
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| 21:38.59 | Manu | it's a script |
| 21:39.04 | JBdiGriz | The specific mentor is not really that important. It's mostly an accounting issue with Google. All of the mentors will be participating in providing feedback. |
| 21:39.12 | Erroneous | Manu: what's a script? |
| 21:39.23 | Manu | you know it |
| 21:39.33 | Erroneous | Manu: all the assignment and stuff is done by the project admin (brlcad) |
| 21:39.45 | Epyon | JBdiGriz, I know :). Still it's interesting to whom I would run crying for help first :P |
| 21:39.50 | Manu | not the ownership requested thing.. I asked hhhim ;) |
| 21:40.32 | Erroneous | Manu: ownership requested is a status that gets set when any mentor marks it as "I am willing to mentor" |
| 21:40.50 | Manu | Erroneous: are you sure? |
| 21:40.53 | Erroneous | yes |
| 21:41.10 | Erroneous | http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/guide-to-the-gsoc-web-app-for-mentors-and-organization-administrators |
| 21:41.26 | Erroneous | see 'Requesting Ownership of an Application: The "I am willing to Mentor" Button' |
| 21:41.57 | Manu | I see |
| 21:42.19 | Erroneous | Epyon: for any technical issue, you'll come running to #bzflag, of course :) |
| 21:43.24 | Erroneous | for program/political issues, to whomever you wish...ultimately whoever mentors you is responsible for it, but that doesn't mean you should limit your options :) |
| 21:49.37 | JeffM2501 | heh /paginate |
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| 21:55.08 | JeffM2501 | wow that was easy |
| 21:55.52 | Erroneous | what was? |
| 21:56.31 | JeffM2501 | making it so the API can install an overide for a standard / command |
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| 21:57.30 | Erroneous | ah, yeah |
| 21:57.51 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r13960 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: let the API install slash command handlers for standard commands to override them if it wants to |
| 21:57.54 | JeffM2501 | just had to move that code up a couple lines :) |
| 21:58.12 | JeffM2501 | since they already had a return code for "I handled this" |
| 21:58.31 | Erroneous | yeah, I thought we had talked about that sometime and you'd decided you didn't want to do that though ;) |
| 21:58.44 | JeffM2501 | was I drunk at the time? |
| 21:59.57 | JeffM2501 | it can be abbused sure, but so can so many other things I have done ;) |
| 22:00.20 | Erroneous | I dunno, sometimes I have trouble telling when you're drunk. |
| 22:00.33 | Erroneous | usually I use spelling as an indicator, but that fails rather miserably on you :) |
| 22:00.44 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:01.07 | JeffM2501 | at home where I am most likely to be drunk the mac would correct my spelling |
| 22:01.16 | JeffM2501 | gots no mac at home now for that |
| 22:01.21 | Erroneous | but you haven't any mac anymore |
| 22:01.37 | JeffM2501 | dunno if the current version of xchat on the lapy does that tho |
| 22:01.43 | Erroneous | you could get a spell-checking irc client for windows |
| 22:02.00 | Erroneous | but I don't think even VA will do that for your code ;) |
| 22:02.12 | JeffM2501 | wonder if the current one does that |
| 22:02.19 | Erroneous | doubt it |
| 22:02.27 | Erroneous | though it does a certain amount of antitypoing |
| 22:02.33 | Erroneous | case correction and such |
| 22:02.48 | Erroneous | and autocomplete |
| 22:03.23 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r13961 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: call all installed slash handlers, not just the first one to handle it. |
| 22:05.54 | JeffM2501 | there that should do that request :) |
| 22:06.28 | JeffM2501 | well it called up TO the first one |
| 22:06.34 | brlcad | (i'm kidding) |
| 22:06.39 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:07.00 | JeffM2501 | I figured since we have no ordering or priority you can set, may as well call em all |
| 22:07.13 | JeffM2501 | tho I doubt any admin would have conflicting plugins |
| 22:07.18 | JeffM2501 | any smart admin |
| 22:08.38 | purple_cow | shame that the sourceforge cia script doesn't seem to have module/branch regexes |
| 22:12.05 | purple_cow | well, you can hook it up with the new pinger method |
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| 22:12.18 | purple_cow | google code's svn is a bit slow though |
| 22:12.51 | L4m3r | brlcad: ping |
| 22:12.57 | brlcad | pong |
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| 22:13.24 | CBG | re my client re-downloading stuff problem earlier... setting Connection Updates to Off fixed it |
| 22:13.33 | CBG | and yes, it does seem obvious - NOW. |
| 22:13.48 | CBG | ~blast007++ |
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| 22:25.47 | brlcad | L4m3r_: that was a pong that you might have missed |
| 22:26.32 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, I did it via e-mail and it worked |
| 22:26.40 | L4m3r_ | er, yeah, wtf |
| 22:26.44 | L4m3r_ | anyhow, pm |
| 22:26.54 | JeffM2501 | l4m3r, I did your API change for you in 2.1 |
| 22:26.57 | JeffM2501 | did you need it in2 .0.x? |
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| 22:29.05 | CBG | Does bz not like random chars (=, \. ], [, etc) as part of the password? |
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| 22:29.25 | JeffM2501 | how are those random? |
| 22:29.26 | Winny | Naa, it just hates you, CBG |
| 22:29.55 | CBG | Correction: Does bz not like chars such as (=, \. ], [, etc) as part of the password? |
| 22:29.56 | JeffM2501 | it should URL encode the entire thing |
| 22:30.10 | JeffM2501 | so I can't see why it would not "like" them |
| 22:30.14 | CBG | Ok... |
| 22:30.21 | CBG | No need to get technical. |
| 22:30.22 | JeffM2501 | I have some in my password |
| 22:30.26 | JeffM2501 | and it works |
| 22:30.35 | CBG | Hmm, k |
| 22:30.44 | JeffM2501 | wait, you mean client password right? |
| 22:30.50 | JeffM2501 | or server -password? |
| 22:31.09 | CBG | yes, client |
| 22:31.18 | JeffM2501 | yeah I use non letters in mine |
| 22:31.21 | JeffM2501 | and it works |
| 22:31.40 | JeffM2501 | it better, or I'll have to quit again :) |
| 22:31.40 | CBG | Hmm, there's something not right. |
| 22:31.58 | CBG | I've tried 3 passwords, 2 with just letters and numbers - both work ok. |
| 22:32.30 | JeffM2501 | it's possible that there may be an error in the list server that dosn't process them correctly |
| 22:33.23 | CBG | The 3rd has some "non letter and number" chars and doesn't work. |
| 22:33.49 | JeffM2501 | I just did a test with a : and it worked fine |
| 22:35.17 | CBG | seems to be that it doesn't like "\" |
| 22:35.57 | eTangenT | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=105559#105559 |
| 22:36.03 | eTangenT | that thread should be split |
| 22:36.26 | JeffM2501 | into? |
| 22:36.33 | Winny | spam / non spam |
| 22:36.35 | Winny | :p |
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| 22:36.42 | eTangenT | Yeah, pretty much. |
| 22:36.46 | JeffM2501 | so not split |
| 22:36.48 | eTangenT | Flame war / O.T. |
| 22:36.51 | JeffM2501 | just cleaned up from the crap |
| 22:37.30 | Winny | JeffM2501: is there a section on the forum that says basic spelling ettiquete / puntutation? |
| 22:37.36 | CBG | ok, mr grouchy... |
| 22:37.45 | CBG | I'll come back when you're more sociable. |
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| 22:38.03 | JeffM2501 | naw, he's not in a bad mood, naw |
| 22:38.18 | eTangenT | CBG's crazy. |
| 22:38.32 | JeffM2501 | Winny, I can't comment on spelling as I misspell/typo often |
| 22:38.33 | spldart | yikes |
| 22:38.38 | JeffM2501 | tho I agree there should be a limit |
| 22:38.42 | JeffM2501 | some of its' prety bad |
| 22:38.50 | eTangenT | like totally |
| 22:38.51 | Winny | Jeff, want me to make something on the wiki and / or board about it? |
| 22:38.57 | JeffM2501 | at least I generaly just get the letters mixed up :) |
| 22:39.06 | JeffM2501 | Winny, no, we can take care of it, thanks |
| 22:39.11 | Winny | aww, ok :( |
| 22:39.23 | eTangenT | The Ten bzCommandments: 1) Thou must say "you," rather than "U." |
| 22:39.27 | JeffM2501 | it's not that big of a problem |
| 22:39.32 | eTangenT | 2) [insert witty rule here] |
| 22:40.10 | JeffM2501 | we have a rules post, I'll add an item for clear comunication to it |
| 22:40.33 | eTangenT | If Google can't translate your post... don't post it. |
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| 22:45.15 | SpazzyMcGee | JeffM: can we include not saying 'like' before every statement? OK, fair enough, when people are talking it's not too bad - but when it gets to the point of typing it... |
| 22:45.49 | JeffM2501 | like why? |
| 22:45.52 | purple_cow | do you have any examples of someone actually doing that? |
| 22:45.56 | SpazzyMcGee | It's just like so annoying. |
| 22:45.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:46.03 | JeffM2501 | it's not a big issue |
| 22:46.07 | eTangenT | Like, wtf? |
| 22:46.11 | JeffM2501 | I'll take like, if I can get rid of AOL speak |
| 22:46.54 | Winny | ne1 got a server 2 host mi aweom map? |
| 22:47.05 | Winny | :) |
| 22:47.14 | JeffM2501 | I'm not joking |
| 22:47.16 | SpazzyMcGee | I saw it a few times this morning.... /me searches. |
| 22:47.31 | Winny | What "crap"? |
| 22:47.39 | eTangenT | JeffM2501: have you had to clean up my crap yet? |
| 22:47.40 | JeffM2501 | comments that should be best put in a PM |
| 22:48.11 | Winny | k |
| 22:48.15 | Winny | such as spelling? |
| 22:48.28 | JeffM2501 | such as any comment that is off topic for the thread |
| 22:48.35 | Winny | k |
| 22:48.39 | JeffM2501 | spelling corrections are one of those, yes |
| 22:48.54 | SpazzyMcGee | Actually, the 'like' seems to be only Grace F |
| 22:49.30 | Winny | Like also makes you sound like the stereotypical rich bitch, excuse the language. |
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| 22:50.13 | JeffM2501 | tho I think that halo3 dosn't quite "get" what posting a map is about |
| 22:50.19 | Hobbes` | there's click spam at the bottom of this page - http://bzflag.org/wiki/Logging |
| 22:50.20 | JeffM2501 | I'm pondering just yanking all the comments. |
| 22:50.44 | JeffM2501 | Hobbes`, good thing we don't use that wiki anymore ;) |
| 22:50.51 | eTangenT | whoa |
| 22:51.07 | JeffM2501 | tho the fact that they got a bot to log into that whacky old wiki, cudos to them |
| 22:51.39 | SpazzyMcGee | heh |
| 22:51.56 | SpazzyMcGee | After i posted that huge FAQ... I wonder if anybody will actually read it. |
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| 22:54.15 | Winny | Jeffm2501: why did you delete some of the legit posts? :p |
| 22:54.19 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:54.33 | JeffM2501 | the thread was not about how to make playable maps |
| 22:54.40 | JeffM2501 | the thread was about that map |
| 22:55.04 | Winny | I personally don;t think it even qualifys as a map |
| 22:55.06 | Winny | ;) |
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| 22:55.39 | Winny | oops. |
| 22:55.49 | Hobbes` | how do I disable keyboard/mouse movements from showing up in the log window ? |
| 22:55.49 | JeffM2501 | you are allowed to have that personal opinion |
| 22:56.02 | JeffM2501 | Hobbes`, modify the code |
| 22:56.41 | Hobbes` | or.. maybe switch to one of the other tabs ? |
| 22:57.01 | JeffM2501 | we don't have that level of external customisation |
| 22:57.08 | JeffM2501 | an MMO we ain't |
| 22:57.57 | Hobbes` | no i meant would it go away if I switched to the "chat" tab ? |
| 22:58.15 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 22:58.18 | JeffM2501 | try and see :) |
| 22:58.22 | Hobbes` | how do I do that ? |
| 22:58.23 | trepan_ | Hobbes`: set it to one mode, not "auto" |
| 22:59.49 | Hobbes` | I see "All" "chat" "Server" and "Misc" .. how do I change between those ? |
| 22:59.50 | QuantumBeep | Wow, I think we'll all be lucky if halo3 posts a map ever again. |
| 22:59.53 | Winny | cool, just found a FF bug |
| 23:01.20 | JeffM2501 | yeah cus you all are jerks |
| 23:01.30 | Hobbes` | never mind figured it out |
| 23:01.33 | JeffM2501 | tho his expectations of what he'd get from the fourms is wrong |
| 23:02.26 | JeffM2501 | I bet if I set the rank to be the number of PMs sent we wouldn't have the problem :) |
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| 23:03.35 | Winny | ~lart Jeffm2501 |
| 23:03.35 | ibot | frags Jeffm2501 with his BFG9000 |
| 23:03.38 | Winny | ;) |
| 23:03.41 | onami | hello |
| 23:03.56 | JeffM2501 | hello |
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| 23:04.13 | onami | can we talk a little about the authentication, please? |
| 23:04.44 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 23:04.44 | JeffM2501 | what about it? |
| 23:04.44 | onami | first, how does it work? |
| 23:04.54 | JeffM2501 | for the game right? |
| 23:04.58 | onami | and second, what about this new http like structure |
| 23:05.00 | onami | yes |
| 23:05.06 | onami | the svn version |
| 23:05.15 | JeffM2501 | the game client contacts our list server |
| 23:05.20 | JeffM2501 | with a username and password |
| 23:05.25 | JeffM2501 | that list server is a php page |
| 23:05.29 | JeffM2501 | so it's an HTTP request |
| 23:05.46 | JeffM2501 | the list server sends back a token value to the client on a correct auth |
| 23:06.01 | JeffM2501 | the game client conencts to a game server and sends it's username and the token value |
| 23:06.16 | JeffM2501 | the game server contacts the list server and sends it the username and token |
| 23:06.31 | JeffM2501 | the list server tells the game server if the token is valid or not |
| 23:06.52 | JeffM2501 | tokens are valid for one lonin, or 10 min, whatever happens first |
| 23:06.56 | JeffM2501 | that's it |
| 23:07.16 | onami | ok |
| 23:07.16 | JeffM2501 | well, the game server can also ask if the user belongs to a group or not |
| 23:07.22 | JeffM2501 | and the list says yes or no |
| 23:07.35 | JeffM2501 | that way the game server can set permisions based on group memebership |
| 23:07.42 | JeffM2501 | the list server gets all its' info from our phpbb |
| 23:07.50 | JeffM2501 | so the forums are our user database |
| 23:08.15 | purple_cow | it's a bit frankenstein |
| 23:08.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:08.25 | JeffM2501 | but it does work |
| 23:08.39 | JeffM2501 | phpbb was used just because that was the only existing database we had |
| 23:08.54 | JeffM2501 | and so we would not have to make a management interface |
| 23:09.10 | JeffM2501 | tho that's a guess, cus it was all implemented by one person at first |
| 23:10.00 | onami | so the Integrated BZFS web interface, will replace this request from phpbb |
| 23:10.01 | JeffM2501 | so from a server admin standpoint, the server never actualy authenticates anyone |
| 23:10.04 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 23:10.07 | JeffM2501 | not at all |
| 23:10.21 | JeffM2501 | the phpbb is not tied to server admin at all |
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| 23:10.37 | JeffM2501 | it is just used by some servers to give out admin permisons |
| 23:10.44 | JeffM2501 | all permisions are local to the server |
| 23:11.05 | JeffM2501 | the web interface is a way to admin a single server via a web interface |
| 23:11.06 | brlcad | has nothing to do with integratedbzfs web interface actually :) |
| 23:11.16 | JeffM2501 | the game client still auths |
| 23:11.22 | JeffM2501 | yeah, they are seperate things |
| 23:11.28 | JeffM2501 | that both just happen to use HTTP |
| 23:11.43 | Erroneous | well, a bzfs web interface may want to perform auth functions |
| 23:11.51 | JeffM2501 | yes, it will have to auth somehow |
| 23:11.54 | JeffM2501 | but that is all |
| 23:12.00 | JeffM2501 | it does not replace it |
| 23:12.33 | onami | so the integrated web interface will be used to get info, kick players ... ? |
| 23:12.35 | JeffM2501 | the administration of the server, is doing stuff like changing runtime settings, kicking and banning users, etc.. |
| 23:12.38 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 23:12.40 | JeffM2501 | that kind of stuff |
| 23:12.46 | onami | ok |
| 23:13.55 | JeffM2501 | there is a program now called "bzadmin" that people use |
| 23:14.05 | JeffM2501 | it's a C++ app that connects as a non graphical client |
| 23:14.21 | JeffM2501 | the goal would be to do what that does, via a web interface |
| 23:15.59 | onami | I sugested inside the google soc application the implementation of sessions, which contain the startup args of bzfs |
| 23:16.15 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 23:16.40 | JeffM2501 | the startup args are not realy changeable at run time |
| 23:16.44 | JeffM2501 | it is other things that are |
| 23:17.02 | brlcad | wow, that's a lot of JeffM2501 |
| 23:17.02 | purple_cow | well, it'd be pretty sweet to have a lot of them *be* changeable at run time without a disconnect |
| 23:17.05 | purple_cow | but that's a lot of work |
| 23:17.24 | Erroneous | guess the post engine wasn't all that engaging today ;) |
| 23:17.25 | JeffM2501 | yes, that would be nice, but that's another project |
| 23:17.31 | JeffM2501 | VMM templates |
| 23:17.32 | Daveman | hey Jeff |
| 23:17.39 | Erroneous | ahh, then I understand |
| 23:17.49 | JeffM2501 | this takes less thought :) |
| 23:17.55 | JeffM2501 | hey Daveman |
| 23:17.57 | Daveman | I thought about my dilemma, as I just returned from my bike ride, and had some interesting throughts |
| 23:17.58 | brlcad | aint that the truth |
| 23:18.08 | JeffM2501 | Daveman, cool |
| 23:18.42 | Daveman | I think it gave me a different perspective so I could weigh each different choice at each different point of the layout, that is, dividing each issue between marginal pros and cons, projected ones anyway :) |
| 23:18.43 | purple_cow | stupid overloaded acronyms |
| 23:18.51 | Daveman | I'm totally liking it more now :p |
| 23:18.56 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 23:19.10 | JeffM2501 | I often will go take a bath to ponder things :) |
| 23:19.13 | JeffM2501 | steam clears the mind |
| 23:19.24 | Daveman | as I can now look at something and say, this definitely won't work, or more so, it would be much simpler and much more extensible doing it this way, instead of that other way, and such |
| 23:19.26 | Daveman | he he |
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| 23:19.57 | Daveman | slow down there archimedes :p |
| 23:20.07 | Daveman | don't hit your head and develop a new physics ;D |
| 23:20.14 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:20.22 | JeffM2501 | naw, I'm big on wheel reuse |
| 23:20.27 | Daveman | actually I have a jacuzzi, and enjoy it so |
| 23:20.27 | Daveman | heh |
| 23:20.28 | JeffM2501 | as long as it's a right hand wheel |
| 23:20.40 | Daveman | then again I never found it a developmentally beneficial brainstorming medium |
| 23:20.41 | Daveman | haha |
| 23:20.43 | Daveman | boo |
| 23:21.00 | Daveman | whatever, so long as it's an AMERICAN wheel... |
| 23:21.04 | Daveman | >:) |
| 23:21.10 | JeffM2501 | I was speaking of 3d engines |
| 23:21.12 | JeffM2501 | inside joke |
| 23:21.19 | JeffM2501 | stupid lefthanded coordinate systems |
| 23:21.22 | Daveman | oh :p |
| 23:21.25 | Daveman | lame |
| 23:21.48 | JeffM2501 | they are what they are |
| 23:21.56 | JeffM2501 | it just limited there usefullness to us |
| 23:22.22 | onami | the webadmin should run from inside bzfs, or seaparate, like bzadmin? |
| 23:22.37 | JeffM2501 | onami, there are multiple options on it |
| 23:22.51 | JeffM2501 | it can do ether |
| 23:22.58 | JeffM2501 | personaly I'd like to see it as a plug-in |
| 23:23.05 | JeffM2501 | others would like to see it internal |
| 23:23.16 | trepan_ | JeffM2501: what's using a left-hand system? |
| 23:23.17 | JeffM2501 | that would be part of the design, seeing what way is better for what reasons |
| 23:23.21 | JeffM2501 | trepan_, CS |
| 23:23.24 | JeffM2501 | and lightfeather |
| 23:23.45 | Daveman | hoenoes |
| 23:23.47 | JeffM2501 | lightfeather will accept a patch to convert to RH, if I could figure it out |
| 23:23.58 | trepan | ah, good old CS, a programmer's dream from what I hear ;) |
| 23:24.16 | JeffM2501 | CS is horible |
| 23:24.26 | Daveman | eh? |
| 23:24.37 | JeffM2501 | I like the lightfeather/irrlicht API |
| 23:24.48 | JeffM2501 | but I have to see if I can get them a right hand mode |
| 23:24.56 | JeffM2501 | ogre is thankfully RH |
| 23:24.59 | Daveman | heh |
| 23:25.02 | Daveman | rawr |
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| 23:26.14 | JeffM2501 | I was thinking of doing an expermental lightfeather port if we got an ogre dude for SoC |
| 23:26.30 | JeffM2501 | if we don't get an ogre dude I'll probably just do that one |
| 23:26.36 | JeffM2501 | just to have something to compare to CS |
| 23:28.42 | onami | I've never player CS, and I don't think I ever will |
| 23:28.48 | JeffM2501 | Crystal Space |
| 23:28.56 | JeffM2501 | not CounterStrike |
| 23:29.01 | JeffM2501 | it's an engine |
| 23:29.22 | onami | looks cool |
| 23:29.46 | JeffM2501 | raw GL can look cool if you send it the right art ;) |
| 23:30.14 | onami | it's close source ? |
| 23:30.46 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 23:31.14 | JeffM2501 | it's just not what I'd call a clean API |
| 23:31.24 | JeffM2501 | jack of all trades, master of none |
| 23:31.58 | onami | too bloated ? |
| 23:32.47 | JeffM2501 | in my opinion yes |
| 23:33.06 | onami | I need to go and sleep, wake up in 5 hours and go to work |
| 23:33.12 | onami | I have a release friday |
| 23:33.33 | JeffM2501 | have fun |
| 23:33.49 | onami | good night (+2 GMT) |
| 23:34.29 | Daveman | heh |
| 23:35.34 | Winny | does using real meshes vs grouping meshes have an effect on FPS? |
| 23:36.28 | JeffM2501 | if we put them into lists it should |
| 23:36.45 | JeffM2501 | assuming your using more then one instance of the group |
| 23:37.57 | trepan | that's likely |
| 23:38.01 | Daveman | mmm, fps |
| 23:38.11 | trepan | you only get shared lists with drawInfo, iirc |
| 23:38.41 | JeffM2501 | and noone does that |
| 23:38.50 | trepan | heh, nope |
| 23:38.53 | JeffM2501 | so then no real savings at runtime |
| 23:39.27 | trepan | takes less time to decompress if groups are used :) |
| 23:41.11 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 23:41.17 | JeffM2501 | Winny, so NO |
| 23:41.36 | Winny | ok, thanks |
| 23:42.32 | Daveman | JeffM, mind if I pick your brain a bit? |
| 23:42.50 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 23:42.54 | JeffM2501 | you've got 18 min |
| 23:43.31 | brlcad | heh |
| 23:43.32 | brlcad | go! |
| 23:43.38 | JeffM2501 | 17 |
| 23:43.59 | JeffM2501 | I would have called in sick if I wasn't taking friday off |
| 23:44.42 | JeffM2501 | tho in reality, all you have to do is wait 15 min after the 16 min are up as I drive home :) |
| 23:46.13 | JeffM2501 | modeltool is the SLOWEST obj parser I've ever writen |
| 23:46.40 | JeffM2501 | tho probably the most spec compliant |
| 23:47.07 | Daveman | :P |
| 23:47.10 | JeffM2501 | you shulda done nurbs suport trepan |
| 23:48.23 | trepan | nurbs were way down on the list |
| 23:50.55 | purple_cow | modeling with nurbs is a bit magic |
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| 23:53.50 | Winny | bblish |
| 23:54.13 | Daveman | heh |
| 23:54.33 | QuantumBeep | JeJeffM2501 |
| 23:54.35 | QuantumBeep | Er, yeah |
| 23:54.59 | QuantumBeep | Since it's now 19 rules, you might update the forum FAQ reference to reflect that |