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| 00:01.25 | JeffM2501 | there, that should "fix" it |
| 00:02.04 | a_meteorite | heh, nice |
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| 00:03.59 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: is it acceptable to create a wiki page for a server group? ie, bzfx? |
| 00:04.06 | a_meteorite | or if norang wanted to, a norang page |
| 00:04.18 | JeffM2501 | as long as it is purely descriptive |
| 00:04.21 | JeffM2501 | and has contact info |
| 00:04.24 | a_meteorite | ah ok |
| 00:04.28 | JeffM2501 | no ads for it, no fluf |
| 00:06.09 | spldart | heh |
| 00:06.38 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 00:06.44 | JeffM2501 | you can fix it if you want to :) |
| 00:06.49 | Erroneous | fix what? :) |
| 00:06.53 | JeffM2501 | old wiki |
| 00:06.57 | JeffM2501 | it had spam in it |
| 00:07.00 | Erroneous | ah |
| 00:07.01 | JeffM2501 | nothing links to it anymore |
| 00:07.06 | JeffM2501 | so I disabled it |
| 00:07.07 | Erroneous | disable editing |
| 00:07.09 | Erroneous | ok |
| 00:07.11 | Erroneous | whatever |
| 00:07.21 | JeffM2501 | wasn't you that will complain ;) |
| 00:07.39 | Erroneous | they can't say the weren't warned, I put a large-font bold message on the FrontPage weeks ago |
| 00:07.48 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 00:07.56 | JeffM2501 | and all the links from the main now point to the new one |
| 00:08.22 | Winny | g2g |
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| 00:15.52 | Daveman | brlcad? |
| 00:19.15 | brlcad | Daveman: i'm around.. but it'll be a while... |
| 00:19.28 | purple_cow | ouch |
| 00:20.41 | Philbrick34 | woowee |
| 00:22.04 | brlcad | yeah, a bit tired and hungry |
| 00:22.13 | brlcad | not the longest, but more than too long |
| 00:22.27 | spldart | 12 hours... Did somebody leave with a bit less butt? |
| 00:23.49 | brlcad | not really |
| 00:24.59 | brlcad | heh, http://www.imvu.com/blogs/index.php?blog=470440&title=what_s_today_wednsday&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 |
| 00:26.32 | Daveman | ouch |
| 00:28.42 | Daveman | snow? :o |
| 00:34.22 | purple_cow | yay snow |
| 00:34.22 | Epyon | It's 2:35 here... |
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| 01:05.22 | Epyon | Duh, what a strange server I found :| |
| 01:05.39 | Epyon | Second dive then... |
| 01:14.43 | A-Delusion | http://www.alusion-fr.com/fr1ffa3.htm |
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| 01:15.24 | A-Delusion | skyboxes.. sorry, pasted it in the wrong channel.. anyway |
| 01:17.45 | A-Delusion | trepan, when I do a skybox.. there's always little black lines in the corners, any Idea why this happens, and how I might fix it? |
| 01:32.18 | trepan | A-Delusion: i had it fixed in my uncommitted stuff, forget what it was |
| 01:33.06 | trepan | clamp mode, border pixels? |
| 01:33.11 | JeffM2501 | probably UV clam |
| 01:33.12 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:33.17 | JeffM2501 | clamp or repeat |
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| 01:33.32 | trepan | think i also switched to a real cubemap (if available) |
| 01:33.32 | JeffM2501 | blending will screw on clamp for some cards |
| 01:33.42 | JeffM2501 | A-Delusion, nvidia or ATI? |
| 01:34.39 | A-Delusion | I was wondering if it had anything to do with the higher resolution of the pngs i'm using |
| 01:34.50 | A-Delusion | mac, ATI |
| 01:35.46 | A-Delusion | it's not border pixels, I'm pretty sure |
| 01:36.00 | A-Delusion | (in the pngs) |
| 01:43.21 | JeffM2501 | they vertical lines? |
| 01:43.31 | JeffM2501 | at the box corners? |
| 01:43.32 | CBG | yep. |
| 01:43.39 | CBG | (to both) |
| 01:43.45 | JeffM2501 | gotta love ATI |
| 01:43.49 | JeffM2501 | that's clamping |
| 01:44.29 | trepan | probably goes away when cubemaps are used, dunno |
| 01:44.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:44.44 | JeffM2501 | cus then it knows how to do it |
| 01:45.11 | JeffM2501 | IIRC it has to do with clamp and filtering |
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| 01:47.12 | A-Delusion | I'll experiment |
| 01:47.19 | A-Delusion | thankyou |
| 01:47.28 | JeffM2501 | what are you going to try? |
| 01:48.12 | A-Delusion | clampup? clampdown? |
| 01:48.34 | JeffM2501 | where? |
| 01:49.40 | A-Delusion | cant use a texmat in a shubox? |
| 01:49.46 | A-Delusion | skybox |
| 01:50.21 | JeffM2501 | IIRC you don't want it clamped |
| 01:50.25 | JeffM2501 | you want it to repeat |
| 01:51.15 | A-Delusion | howabout a "scale 1.0001 1.001 |
| 01:51.44 | JeffM2501 | that make fake it |
| 01:51.45 | JeffM2501 | won't be right at all views |
| 01:54.20 | trepan | A-Delusion: texmat clamps have nothing to do with it |
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| 02:11.29 | JeffM2501 | so the DLC fourm has been inactive for 3 months is it stil needed? |
| 02:11.56 | JeffM2501 | same for the IFL |
| 02:14.49 | A-Delusion | hmmm.. my skybox is 465 by 465, maybe 512by512 will be better |
| 02:16.35 | Epyon | A-Delusion, for OpenGL? Definitively |
| 02:17.06 | JeffM2501 | don't think it'll fix your clamp issue tho |
| 02:18.49 | Epyon | Funny, after playing a while I seem to be rather a fan of more "vanilla" BZF servers :/ |
| 02:19.29 | brlcad | not an uncommen feeling |
| 02:19.50 | JeffM2501 | he lives |
| 02:20.09 | brlcad | how to keep them simple yet playful (and automatic) is rather hard for some styles |
| 02:21.02 | brlcad | JeffM2501: yes.. horribly long meeting day.. 12 hours |
| 02:21.02 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 02:21.19 | brlcad | fortunately for a rather good cause at least |
| 02:21.29 | brlcad | at least maybe 4 hours of it |
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| 02:28.31 | I_Died_Once | we got some new scenery up at planet mofo - passion of the free for all |
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| 02:42.05 | Sir_Pants_ | odd |
| 02:46.32 | Epyon | brlcad, I'm doing "research" xD |
| 02:46.56 | Epyon | Basicaly looking more at other tanks than myself anyway. |
| 02:47.50 | Epyon | Especialy that pure CTF (borredo?) one keeps me interested. |
| 02:47.57 | Epyon | The design is simple, yet... |
| 02:49.53 | Epyon | The map is divided into 4 zones, and clearly each zone is either taken by yours, the others or is currently under siege. And the fact that you have to travel with the flag through three zones ... |
| 02:49.57 | Epyon | It all adds up. |
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| 03:00.35 | JeffM2501 | whoot, the client connects to the server again :) |
| 03:02.32 | JeffM2501 | and it craps out fast like fearless wanted when you connect the client to google :) |
| 03:07.45 | blast007 | ;) |
| 03:08.58 | JeffM2501 | just so everyone knows, the web IRC will default to #bzchat, we have enough people who hang out there where we can help in there, or at least tell them to go to here |
| 03:14.04 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r13963 10/trunk/bzflag/ (9 files in 5 dirs): |
| 03:14.04 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: bump the proto to 48 |
| 03:14.04 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: change the initial connection to start at the client instead of the server to be |
| 03:14.05 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: more compatible with HTTP. This prevents clients from hanging if they use a web |
| 03:14.05 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: address as a server and port 80 ( idiot factor ). This change breaks all |
| 03:14.05 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: existing server stat scanning sites, and scripts |
| 03:15.27 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r13964 10/trunk/bzflag/TODO: someone has to fix the scripts and sites. |
| 03:18.58 | A-Delusion | now there's news |
| 03:20.03 | blast007 | JeffM2501: so effectively we should make m.b.o ignore servers it can't read ;) |
| 03:20.34 | blast007 | (even _if_ we add support for this new proto) |
| 03:20.40 | JeffM2501 | well it'll hang on them now |
| 03:20.51 | blast007 | right |
| 03:20.52 | JeffM2501 | or just always send out BZFLAG\r\n\r\n on connect |
| 03:21.00 | JeffM2501 | existing servers should ignore that |
| 03:21.10 | JeffM2501 | new will then send you the proto like you expect |
| 03:21.21 | JeffM2501 | I haven't tested that tho |
| 03:21.32 | blast007 | yup |
| 03:21.54 | Daveman | Evening Jeff |
| 03:22.28 | blast007 | mainly just hoping it doesn't cause the update script on .bz to lock (which it probably will) |
| 03:23.01 | blast007 | JeffM2501: is there a timeout like you were discussing? (where it will send the BZFS0048 after X seconds of no data) |
| 03:23.04 | JeffM2501 | hence my statement of breaking the world :) |
| 03:23.10 | JeffM2501 | not yet |
| 03:23.14 | blast007 | k |
| 03:23.15 | JeffM2501 | prolly won't do that |
| 03:23.34 | blast007 | suppose we'll find what needs updating better this way |
| 03:23.46 | Daveman | oh cool, are you making commits now |
| 03:24.02 | JeffM2501 | dude, read up |
| 03:24.14 | Daveman | I just did :D |
| 03:24.19 | Daveman | hooray, breakage! |
| 03:24.25 | Daveman | force the unbelievers to change! |
| 03:24.54 | Daveman | haha I like that, "TODO: someone has to fix the scripts and sites." |
| 03:24.58 | Daveman | :P |
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| 03:35.08 | brlcad | you changed/removed other stuff in bzfs.cxx? |
| 03:36.37 | JeffM2501 | ohh yeah |
| 03:36.39 | brlcad | ah, never mind, I think I found the chunk I was looking for |
| 03:36.41 | JeffM2501 | main is small :) |
| 03:36.56 | brlcad | no, I meant actually removed code, not just moved |
| 03:37.00 | JeffM2501 | I'll have another commit to the connection stuff |
| 03:37.09 | JeffM2501 | a small bit changed |
| 03:37.16 | JeffM2501 | regarding how we scan the sockets |
| 03:37.22 | JeffM2501 | but all the functions are stil there |
| 03:37.28 | Daveman | Hi brlcad :) |
| 03:37.35 | inferno285 | can anyone tell me about how much you make from google adsense? |
| 03:37.52 | brlcad | $0.00 |
| 03:38.02 | brlcad | hello dave |
| 03:38.26 | JeffM2501 | google can tell you |
| 03:38.40 | brlcad | heh, small.. main() is still pretty big ;) |
| 03:38.58 | JeffM2501 | it's smaller then it was before |
| 03:39.03 | JeffM2501 | the runloop is still huge |
| 03:39.26 | Epyon | *yawn* finish the beer and I'm off to sleep. |
| 03:39.36 | inferno285 | I went to google, and searched... |
| 03:39.42 | inferno285 | doesn't say $ per click or anything |
| 03:39.43 | Epyon | brlcad, no news from goo... ah nevermind :) |
| 03:40.33 | JeffM2501 | inferno285, and of course #bzflag is your next logical place to look for info on google |
| 03:41.05 | brlcad | heh |
| 03:41.06 | Epyon | JeffM2501, and beer. It's the primary source of info on beer. |
| 03:41.10 | inferno285 | JeffM2501, you come straight to my over whelming intelect, thank you |
| 03:41.41 | inferno285 | I'm sry you put the channel name above yourself |
| 03:44.00 | brlcad | inferno285: what the heck are you talking about? |
| 03:44.13 | inferno285 | lol |
| 03:44.38 | inferno285 | a brainy diss, sry |
| 03:44.45 | brlcad | yeah, hilarious |
| 03:45.30 | inferno285 | brlcad, are you seriously to stupid to understand it? |
| 03:45.39 | brlcad | see ya |
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| 03:45.53 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 03:45.58 | DTRemenak | least he knows when to leave |
| 03:46.31 | brlcad | seriously |
| 03:46.35 | A-Delusion | got any info on beer? |
| 03:47.47 | Epyon | A-Delusion, yeah, the current info is -- It's almost gone :( |
| 03:47.56 | Epyon | Why is the beer always gone? |
| 03:48.30 | A-Delusion | because I drank it |
| 03:48.40 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b *!*root@*] by brlcad |
| 03:48.50 | brlcad | that could be fun |
| 03:49.04 | trepan | inferno285's over whelming intelect apparently doesn't cover speling |
| 03:49.40 | brlcad | that's because it's over and whelming |
| 03:49.46 | JeffM2501 | now this code should be better :) |
| 03:55.27 | Epyon | g'night everyone |
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| 04:15.00 | SportChick | brlcad: you awakish? |
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| 04:18.56 | jude- | hello all |
| 04:19.05 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 04:19.36 | Daveman | Greetings |
| 04:31.17 | brlcad | SportChick: nope |
| 04:31.34 | SportChick | brlcad: never mind - I sorted it out anyway :) |
| 04:32.32 | Daveman | :p |
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| 06:01.20 | daniel_jackson | hey everyone |
| 06:02.41 | daniel_jackson | ~bzfraq jeffM2501 |
| 06:03.09 | daniel_jackson | ~bzfrag jeffM2501 |
| 06:03.11 | ibot | ACTION kills jeffM2501 with a shot from his BZTank |
| 06:05.56 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 06:08.46 | purple_cow | hah |
| 06:09.41 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r13965 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: cleanup the nonplayer connection logic to read all the data that is pending in chunks. |
| 06:32.03 | Daveman | mmm chunky :p |
| 06:36.43 | Daveman | brlcad, still awake? |
| 06:36.56 | Daveman | though I wouldn't blame you... after that meeting you had today :p |
| 06:40.00 | JeffM2501 | how does one know when the end of an HTTP request comes in |
| 06:40.04 | JeffM2501 | what does it end in? |
| 06:40.26 | JeffM2501 | a blank set of /r/n/r/n? |
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| 06:46.46 | Daveman | what the message ends in, or the headers? |
| 06:48.27 | JeffM2501 | the entire reuquest |
| 06:49.47 | Daveman | \r\n\r\n? |
| 06:50.04 | Daveman | or just \\r\n |
| 06:50.26 | JeffM2501 | do you know? |
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| 06:52.16 | Thonolan | some can the flag reset on hepcat ? |
| 06:52.18 | a_meteorite | http headers just have one CRLF... \r\n |
| 06:52.52 | Thonolan | poll flagreset doesnt work |
| 06:52.56 | a_meteorite | Thonolan: yeah sure |
| 06:53.01 | Thonolan | thank you |
| 06:53.05 | Thonolan | :) |
| 06:53.15 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, I mean when all the headers and requests are done |
| 06:53.23 | a_meteorite | oh |
| 06:53.34 | a_meteorite | I don't know actually |
| 06:54.28 | a_meteorite | Thonolan: did /flag reset unused, but I don't know why you need a flag reset at hepcat.. |
| 06:56.18 | Thonolan | we need the green but i see already fixed |
| 06:56.29 | Thonolan | thx a_meteorite |
| 06:56.47 | a_meteorite | np |
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| 06:58.30 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: I looked at some docs online, it appears it just sends a CRLF when it's done... so, yeah, that would be two CRLFs in a row |
| 06:58.42 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 06:58.53 | Flash | JeffM2501: you really don't know until EOF |
| 06:59.32 | Flash | but if it's a POST, all the info appears to be on a single line |
| 06:59.36 | Daveman | :) |
| 06:59.46 | Flash | other headers are possible though |
| 07:00.00 | Daveman | plus there ten to be some notorious suspects when it comes to POST :P |
| 07:01.04 | Flash | the first line is the request/protocol |
| 07:01.27 | JeffM2501 | I just need a basic thing for this test |
| 07:01.35 | Flash | other things could be cookies |
| 07:01.43 | Daveman | goodie |
| 07:02.25 | Flash | having spent too much time reverse engineering it, I recommend a http/cgi package |
| 07:02.50 | JeffM2501 | not realy aplicable with what I'm doing ;) |
| 07:03.03 | a_meteorite | apparently some clients only send a linefeed and no carriage return |
| 07:03.09 | a_meteorite | fun stuff |
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| 07:03.37 | Daveman | bah |
| 07:03.43 | Daveman | begone with the unbelievers :P |
| 07:03.54 | Daveman | crazy clients |
| 07:03.58 | Flash | you mean non-windows platforms ;-) |
| 07:04.05 | Daveman | heh |
| 07:04.16 | Daveman | pfft, rfc's don't mean anything ;) |
| 07:04.28 | a_meteorite | invaluable resource: http://www.jmarshall.com/easy/http/ |
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| 07:04.58 | a_meteorite | and if you really like reading RFCs, the w3 has it :) |
| 07:05.21 | Sir_Pants | how many good flags are there? |
| 07:05.21 | Daveman | yep |
| 07:05.34 | a_meteorite | Sir_Pants: count them..? |
| 07:05.44 | Daveman | 2616 |
| 07:05.48 | Sir_Pants | funny |
| 07:06.04 | Sir_Pants | i meant when you put + f good{2} |
| 07:06.09 | Sir_Pants | how many good flags is that |
| 07:06.29 | Sir_Pants | +f good{2}* |
| 07:06.43 | a_meteorite | there are 25 good flags |
| 07:06.51 | Sir_Pants | ok |
| 07:06.59 | Sir_Pants | so 2 would be 50 |
| 07:07.04 | a_meteorite | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Flag_List |
| 07:07.05 | Sir_Pants | etc etc |
| 07:07.34 | a_meteorite | for some reason I have a feeling 25 isn't all of them :\ |
| 07:08.23 | JeffM2501 | flag code is correct |
| 07:08.27 | JeffM2501 | I made that from the source |
| 07:08.43 | Daveman | When's flag day? |
| 07:09.01 | a_meteorite | 28 for FlagCode |
| 07:09.10 | Sir_Pants | hmmm |
| 07:09.16 | a_meteorite | so, yeah, 28 |
| 07:09.17 | Sir_Pants | LG Low Gravity(v.2.1.x) |
| 07:09.24 | Sir_Pants | did you count that or ommit? |
| 07:09.26 | Sir_Pants | *omitt |
| 07:09.28 | a_meteorite | ommitted |
| 07:09.30 | Sir_Pants | k |
| 07:09.33 | Sir_Pants | merci |
| 07:09.46 | Sir_Pants | low gravity will be interesting |
| 07:10.31 | L4m3r | I think it could add some really cool elements to mapping |
| 07:10.32 | a_meteorite | alright, homework finishing time |
| 07:10.43 | a_meteorite | I found LG to be fun on a 2.1 server |
| 07:10.44 | Sir_Pants | but imagine for say on mofo |
| 07:10.53 | Sir_Pants | people could jump onto the corner roofs possibly |
| 07:10.54 | L4m3r | but at the same time a lot of older maps that weren't designed for it will have to change, or omit it |
| 07:10.59 | Sir_Pants | yea |
| 07:11.07 | Sir_Pants | we'll have to redesign mofo :/ |
| 07:11.08 | L4m3r | Sir_Pants: sure, but what can they do? :P |
| 07:11.21 | Sir_Pants | get at the gm campers :| |
| 07:11.25 | L4m3r | it'd only be useful to jump up to nail a GM |
| 07:11.44 | L4m3r | and we had talked about getting rid of that camping spot anyway |
| 07:11.46 | a_meteorite | down with those campers :) |
| 07:12.36 | Sir_Pants | oh ok |
| 07:12.45 | L4m3r | ceiling but no roof :P |
| 07:13.02 | L4m3r | you'd fall right through from above, but it'd still stop you if you jumped into it |
| 07:13.20 | Sir_Pants | k |
| 07:16.39 | JeffM2501 | ibot nslookup dnd.opencombat.net |
| 07:17.12 | JeffM2501 | can somone try http://dnd.opencombat.net:5154 for me please? |
| 07:17.19 | Daveman | ... |
| 07:17.47 | a_meteorite | "This Is data from HTTP via BZFS" |
| 07:17.48 | Daveman | it works (something responds, anyway) :) |
| 07:17.51 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 07:17.54 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 07:19.19 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r13966 10/trunk/bzflag/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
| 07:19.19 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: allow API hooks to trap non player connections and send/receive data to/from them. |
| 07:19.19 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: fix a link error with the plug-in utils |
| 07:19.50 | a_meteorite | this will quite useful |
| 07:19.56 | Daveman | yay |
| 07:20.19 | Daveman | JeffM, don't do all the work for me! ;) |
| 07:20.24 | a_meteorite | does that let us get individual HTTP headers? |
| 07:21.02 | a_meteorite | easily, I mean, without writing the parsing ourselves |
| 07:21.04 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r13967 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/ (8 files in 2 dirs): simple HTTP test plug-in to show how to hook into non player connections. |
| 07:21.07 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 07:21.11 | JeffM2501 | it has no http lib |
| 07:21.14 | a_meteorite | k |
| 07:21.18 | JeffM2501 | it just looks for the word "get" :) |
| 07:21.24 | JeffM2501 | it's just an example |
| 07:21.33 | a_meteorite | I'll take a look at it |
| 07:21.34 | JeffM2501 | of how to hook into the connection |
| 07:21.56 | JeffM2501 | Daveman, I have done none of the work |
| 07:22.08 | JeffM2501 | my changes are not specific to http |
| 07:22.16 | JeffM2501 | I was just using http as a test |
| 07:23.56 | a_meteorite | ah, that's great |
| 07:23.58 | Daveman | :) |
| 07:24.23 | Daveman | Jeff, you know I was being sarcastic, right? |
| 07:24.49 | Daveman | Anyway, nice work :] |
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| 07:40.35 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r13968 10/trunk/bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx): |
| 07:40.35 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: spelling error |
| 07:40.35 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: rescan for the connection after we call the handlers for it, as they may have deleted it. |
| 07:41.08 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: is it able to support a connection that doesn't disconnect immediately? |
| 07:41.16 | Daveman | rut roh |
| 07:41.28 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 07:41.38 | a_meteorite | maybe a client that sits there and communicates with the plugin continuously |
| 07:41.41 | a_meteorite | ahh |
| 07:41.43 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 07:41.47 | JeffM2501 | just don't remove your handler |
| 07:41.53 | JeffM2501 | when it has no handlers it's killed |
| 07:41.58 | JeffM2501 | or when you specificly close it |
| 07:42.07 | a_meteorite | ah ok |
| 07:42.09 | Daveman | session! |
| 07:42.28 | a_meteorite | now I am quite interested :) |
| 07:42.30 | JeffM2501 | I need to add better sending of data, so it dosn't flood out the server |
| 07:42.40 | JeffM2501 | it's not the same as a session IIRC |
| 07:42.44 | JeffM2501 | as HTTP is connectionless |
| 07:43.52 | Daveman | magic? |
| 07:44.03 | Daveman | ;) |
| 07:44.44 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 07:45.34 | Daveman | nothing, sorry :) |
| 07:45.51 | JeffM2501 | honestly man, your stupid comments are geting to me |
| 07:46.07 | Daveman | I apologize. |
| 07:46.38 | Daveman | I shall attempt to refrain from needless comments in the future, while in your presense. |
| 07:47.27 | JeffM2501 | I'm not the only one |
| 07:49.07 | L4m3r | is there any reason that bzfs would crash without saying anything? |
| 07:49.22 | a_meteorite | mine does all the time |
| 07:49.33 | a_meteorite | boxy war hasn't been stable in months |
| 07:49.35 | L4m3r | I don't even get a segfault |
| 07:49.45 | L4m3r | and it doesn't last even half an hour |
| 07:50.05 | a_meteorite | I got two plugins loaded, logDetail and nagware |
| 07:50.50 | L4m3r | plugins would usually cause a segmentation fault, though, right? |
| 07:51.01 | a_meteorite | usually |
| 07:51.18 | a_meteorite | I always suspected my plugins, but now it's stripped to less than it ever was and it still crashes daily |
| 07:51.43 | L4m3r | unless ssh stops the sefgault error message from getting to me |
| 07:51.44 | Rawk | L4m3r: debug it, and step though till it crashes |
| 07:52.17 | L4m3r | oooh, there it goes again |
| 07:52.46 | a_meteorite | I haven't been getting core dumps, so it's not segfaulting |
| 07:52.49 | L4m3r | and no useful info in the terminal, even on -dddd :( |
| 07:53.17 | a_meteorite | (ulimit in my scripts is set for unlimited size dumps) |
| 07:54.16 | a_meteorite | I'd die without the new api features :( |
| 07:54.36 | Rawk | run bzflag in your fav debugger, and step though it |
| 07:55.14 | L4m3r | not my server... dunno if that would be polite considering it hosts at least a dozen other bzfs instances |
| 07:55.24 | L4m3r | waaait. it MUST be a plugin then. |
| 07:55.39 | L4m3r | or some setting no one else is using |
| 07:55.55 | L4m3r | otherwise everything else would crash too, in theory |
| 07:56.08 | a_meteorite | 2.0.9 started to get unstable for me around november |
| 07:56.34 | a_meteorite | I'd love to stick my build through a debugger and see |
| 07:57.18 | L4m3r | I should ask someone to restart their server on the same box... maybe it's a recent build |
| 07:57.40 | L4m3r | er, a bad build. I know it's recent :P |
| 07:58.13 | a_meteorite | L4m3r: bzfs has been unstable both on the mofo box and this mac os x 10.4.9, ppc g4 box |
| 07:58.31 | a_meteorite | so... I doubt it has something to do with the box |
| 07:59.09 | L4m3r | yes it's been unstable but not THIS bad :P |
| 08:00.53 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 08:01.04 | a_meteorite | plus I never used thumper |
| 08:01.12 | a_meteorite | plus I never used thumpers builds on the box, I rolled my own |
| 08:01.43 | L4m3r | and it crashes daily :P |
| 08:02.17 | L4m3r | I think it may be the recent build that's the problem. most of the servers might not have been restarted yet. |
| 08:08.34 | a_meteorite | haha, boxy war made it to 1h ~35mins |
| 08:08.50 | a_meteorite | interesting, it crashed right after someone got lag kicked and they signed off |
| 08:09.39 | a_meteorite | which I'm sure has happened before. I always thought it was related to the antiLagkickRejoin plugin, but I don't have it loaded |
| 08:14.44 | Manu | L4m3r: you can debut it to find the problem |
| 08:14.50 | Manu | debug* |
| 08:15.17 | L4m3r | Manu: not sure about that, I will have to ask Thumper_ |
| 08:15.40 | L4m3r | as I said, I don't think running a debugger on a shared machine would be polite |
| 08:16.48 | Manu | L4m3r: ask him ;) |
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| 08:35.33 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r13969 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (bzfs.cxx bzfs.h bzfsAPI.cxx): |
| 08:35.33 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: have the non player connections do a buffered data send to not stall the server. |
| 08:35.33 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: do a better job of cleaning up non client connections when they have no data and no listeners. |
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| 09:10.32 | hk- | is there a guide somewhere to learn how to play this game? |
| 09:10.32 | hk- | the only thing that I'm good at is being shot, it seems. |
| 09:11.40 | Rawk | hk-: you could try http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewforum.php?f=61&sid=91c0c1dac466b8af4c045d7f01ca272d |
| 09:12.10 | hk- | I'll check it out Rawk, thanks. |
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| 10:41.04 | ts | Manu: Hola |
| 10:41.16 | ts | Manu: Does svn trunk compile for you? |
| 11:23.59 | Manu | ts: have to try it, the last time it worked |
| 11:32.56 | Manu | ts: nope, it's broken |
| 11:33.40 | Manu | configure is broken, also install-sh is missed in misc dir |
| 11:45.33 | ts | Manu: Hrm.. |
| 11:46.07 | ts | I'll check in a change that let it compile but it still segfaults then in ares |
| 11:47.54 | Manu | ts: configure: creating ./config.status |
| 11:47.54 | Manu | config.status: error: cannot find input file: BZFlag.xcode/Makefile.in |
| 11:48.07 | Manu | xcode. heh |
| 11:49.24 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03t-s * r13970 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Try to fix compiler errors, stil segfaults in ares |
| 11:50.18 | ts | Manu: Heh..Xcode wasn't modified |
| 11:51.02 | ts | Manu: Have you done autogen? |
| 11:51.07 | Manu | yes |
| 11:51.24 | ts | Re-do :p |
| 11:51.32 | Manu | I'm doing it actually ;) |
| 11:51.58 | ts | Makefile.in files are produced with autogen.sh as far as I know |
| 11:52.01 | Manu | Automatically preparing build ... Warning: autoreconf failed |
| 11:52.01 | Manu | Attempting to run the preparation steps individually |
| 11:52.22 | Manu | but at the end it says done.. ahd ./configure.... |
| 11:52.27 | Manu | and* |
| 11:52.27 | ts | Manu: Why does it fail? |
| 11:52.45 | Manu | dunno, 2.0 branch and cs worked fine |
| 11:53.00 | ts | http://cia.vc/stats/author/t-s/.message/9c72 comes into my mind :/ |
| 11:53.24 | ts | I did this only on cvs head/svn trunk |
| 11:53.25 | Manu | hehe |
| 11:54.24 | Manu | ts: and I'm using linux ;) |
| 11:54.32 | ts | Manu: Can you try with an older autogen version? |
| 11:54.47 | Manu | ts: too late.. I deleted it |
| 11:55.02 | Manu | my fail |
| 11:55.12 | ts | Manu: Umm...I did test it, it was no platform specific change |
| 11:55.28 | ts | but autoreconf does not fail for me |
| 11:55.34 | Manu | isn't xcode a mac stuff? |
| 11:55.41 | Chestal | uh, bzfs.cxx ws is all messed up |
| 11:55.50 | ts | Xcode is my development environment |
| 11:56.02 | ts | Chestal: Yep :/ |
| 11:56.02 | Manu | yes, Mac but I'm using linux ;) |
| 11:56.07 | Chestal | ts: the erase is not correct now |
| 11:56.12 | ts | :/ |
| 11:56.41 | Manu | ts: it's asking for a mac file when I'm using linux ;) |
| 11:56.50 | Manu | because you use mac it works for you |
| 11:57.00 | ts | Manu: Makefile.in are platform independent |
| 11:57.11 | Manu | also in xcode? |
| 11:57.15 | ts | yep |
| 11:57.25 | ts | as far as I know |
| 11:57.38 | ts | Chestal: Well, feel free to fix |
| 11:57.50 | Manu | the am file is there.. but of course not the .in it's generated |
| 11:57.52 | Chestal | I can't see anyhting with all the tabs |
| 11:58.07 | ts | The tabs ain't comming from me |
| 11:58.25 | Chestal | not saying that they are, still makes it hard to work on the code for me |
| 11:58.59 | Chestal | instead of map.erase(it); it++; it sohuld be map.erase(it++) to avoid invalidated iterator |
| 12:00.02 | Chestal | hmm, I need a tool to autmatically format the source right |
| 12:00.24 | ts | There's a ws script but it's broken currently |
| 12:01.27 | Manu | ts: I guess BZFlag.xcode/Makefile.in only is generated if you are in a Mac |
| 12:01.55 | Manu | same for Dev-C++/Makefile.in |
| 12:02.00 | ts | Manu: but.... that dir is really old |
| 12:02.10 | Manu | ts, the dir is correct |
| 12:02.20 | Manu | what is not correct is the code generation |
| 12:02.50 | Manu | something is broken in autogen |
| 12:04.00 | Chestal | I wish we would get rid of tabs altogether |
| 12:04.41 | ts | Manu: There is Dev-C++/Makefile.in for me |
| 12:04.59 | ts | me, the bzbreaker :x |
| 12:05.06 | Manu | heh |
| 12:05.17 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03chestal * r13971 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: ws; everyone: please try to adhere to our current indentaton/tab standard |
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| 12:07.15 | ts | Manu: Have you tried an older autogen.sh version? |
| 12:07.26 | ts | Like one version before I did touch |
| 12:07.26 | Manu | ts: read up ;) |
| 12:07.29 | Manu | it's gone |
| 12:08.47 | ts | Manu: I read text above but I do not see that you wrote it would be gone |
| 12:08.55 | Manu | I deleted it |
| 12:08.59 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03chestal * r13972 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: advance iterator before erasing the element it refers to |
| 12:09.04 | Manu | I have a fresh svn trunk |
| 12:09.29 | ts | Manu: so newest works? |
| 12:09.37 | Manu | nope |
| 12:09.53 | ts | Manu: What did then work? |
| 12:09.54 | Manu | let me try the rev 13900 :) |
| 12:10.45 | Chestal | do I have to pass any options to svn up if I want to make sure to get all new files/dirs? |
| 12:11.10 | Manu | ts, rev 13900 autogen worked fine |
| 12:12.16 | ts | Manu: http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/trunk/bzflag/autogen.sh?view=log |
| 12:12.20 | Manu | ts, configure too :p |
| 12:12.30 | Manu | so the bug is after the rev 13900 m:) |
| 12:12.34 | ts | Manu: My change is in 13804 |
| 12:12.40 | ts | phew ;) |
| 12:12.44 | Manu | hehe ;) |
| 12:12.57 | Manu | I'll try to compile the r 13900 |
| 12:14.25 | Manu | ts: it's compiling fine for now :) |
| 12:19.43 | Chestal | uhm, since 13900 only misc/Makefile.am and plugins/Makefile.am have changed for the auto* stuff? |
| 12:24.32 | Manu | Chestal: now I'm compiling the 13900 to be sure it works. After it I'll try to find where the bug was introduced |
| 12:25.41 | Manu | but I guess I know where it is :) |
| 12:29.07 | Manu | 13900 is working fine |
| 12:31.38 | ts | Hmm, now it does not segfault anymore but client doesn't connect, either |
| 12:31.49 | Manu | :) |
| 12:32.40 | Chestal | ts: the version should now be identical to that of Jeff (which obviously used an extension of the map::erase) |
| 12:33.39 | Chestal | httpTest automake stuff seems to be hosed |
| 12:34.02 | ts | Chestal: Yes, but doesn't work like it should, still |
| 12:36.36 | Chestal | Manu: I am fixing it, I think |
| 12:37.35 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03chestal * r13973 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/httpTest/Makefile.am: fix httpTest plugin Makefile |
| 12:37.58 | Chestal | autogen.sh should fail more obviously when autoreconf fails |
| 12:38.00 | Manu | Chestal: plugins/configure.ac? |
| 12:38.17 | Chestal | Manu: plugins/httpTest/Makefile.am |
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| 12:38.22 | Chestal | but still compiling here to make sure |
| 12:38.31 | Manu | Chestal: I found it works for r13966 and fails for r13967 |
| 12:38.54 | Manu | so yes, you are right probably |
| 12:38.54 | Chestal | automake failed on this .am for me |
| 12:38.58 | Manu | yes |
| 12:39.12 | Chestal | have to watch really close to not miss the error in autogen.sh |
| 12:39.20 | Chestal | autogen should probably stop there |
| 12:39.23 | Manu | r1347 are changes in plugins/httpTest only |
| 12:39.41 | Manu | and plugins/configure.ac of course |
| 12:41.41 | Chestal | well, it probably worked in his platform :-) |
| 12:41.48 | Manu | yes |
| 12:41.52 | Manu | :) |
| 12:42.14 | ts | lol |
| 12:42.57 | Chestal | and yes, joining does not work |
| 12:43.47 | brlcad | Manu: ./autogen.sh --verbose |
| 12:43.53 | ts | Chestal: BTW: What can cause /lagstats to show 1% lost for only 1 query, queries before and after don't show 1%...so only 1% for roughly 1 second? |
| 12:44.01 | Manu | brlcad: it's fixed I guess |
| 12:44.08 | Manu | brlcad: Chestal did it |
| 12:44.28 | Manu | brlcad: buenos dÃas :) |
| 12:44.58 | Chestal | ts: well, it's an average (exponential smoothing). And probably rounded or truncated, so it could have been barely above the threshod to display it for a short time, then dropped again |
| 12:45.11 | Chestal | ts: it's updated on each MsgPlayerUpdate IIRC |
| 12:45.39 | Manu | brlcad: news from google? :) |
| 12:45.52 | brlcad | Manu: curious, did manual succeed where autoreconf failed? |
| 12:46.03 | ts | Chestal: Yes, but you say it is smoothed.. |
| 12:46.29 | Chestal | ts: yes, there might just have been one packet lost |
| 12:46.36 | ts | if there is 1 packet missing it needs 100 good packets afterwards to delete lost, doesn't it? |
| 12:46.49 | Chestal | ts: not quite |
| 12:47.18 | Chestal | ts: it never returns to 0 actually |
| 12:47.37 | Chestal | but it might not display anythign if it is below a threshold |
| 12:47.43 | ts | Hrm |
| 12:48.03 | Manu | brlcad: yes in part ;) |
| 12:48.14 | ts | So it smooths over "infinite" time? |
| 12:48.22 | Chestal | ts: it could probably use some tweaking |
| 12:48.28 | Chestal | ts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_smoothing |
| 12:48.35 | Chestal | pretty simple formula |
| 12:49.54 | ts | yes..but I would rather use linear smoothing :/ |
| 12:50.07 | Chestal | why? |
| 12:50.22 | ts | Feels more intuitive |
| 12:50.29 | Chestal | exponential is easier to implement (needs no history) and mor useful IMHO |
| 12:51.32 | ts | also given the previous case I mentioned it's "not really" showing the lost packet |
| 12:51.47 | Manu | brlcad: manual worked but not fine because configure failed |
| 12:51.50 | Chestal | the question is whether calculating an average for the packet los sis a goo didea in the first place |
| 12:52.00 | Chestal | you'd norally wnat to have 0 at all times, everything else is an exception |
| 12:53.15 | ts | I would expect it to be 0 if there were no recent losses |
| 12:53.20 | Chestal | there is also the problem (it shares with the jitter value) that it is updated on each MsgPlayerUpdate packet received. So when a player sends these packets more frequently, the displayed average covers less time |
| 12:53.28 | ts | in the intuitive way |
| 12:53.36 | Chestal | whatever 'recent' is :-) |
| 12:54.44 | ts | recent would be something like last 10 seconds of history |
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| 13:06.13 | CBG | Sounds like a great idea to me: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=105694#105694 |
| 13:23.36 | brlcad | ts: linear smoothing is crap |
| 13:23.52 | brlcad | for DR purposes at least |
| 13:25.05 | brlcad | first order deviation is simply to chaotic |
| 13:25.28 | brlcad | and no, everyone.. we don't have a darn slot count yet so stop asking :) |
| 13:25.51 | brlcad | i'll make it widely known the moment I know |
| 13:25.54 | Manu | these guys.. always asking :p |
| 13:26.20 | brlcad | like kids waiting for cookies |
| 13:26.28 | Manu | hehe |
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| 13:29.16 | brlcad | ~seen jude- |
| 13:29.43 | ibot | jude- <n=jude@c-68-84-206-92.hsd1.ar.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 9h 10m 47s ago, saying: 'hello all'. |
| 13:30.04 | Manu | Hey, Jude, don't make it bad... ;) |
| 13:30.47 | Manu | do you like The Beatles brlcad ? :) |
| 13:31.01 | brlcad | sure |
| 13:31.20 | Manu | :) |
| 13:32.18 | eTangenT | man, I swear to god I am going to go back to my school and start throwing punches |
| 13:32.33 | eTangenT | I graduated in December, but they are talking so much smack about me there. |
| 13:32.44 | eTangenT | I can't walk outside without getting yelled at and flipped off. |
| 13:32.51 | eTangenT | This cannot continue. |
| 13:32.53 | eTangenT | :-\ |
| 13:33.26 | eTangenT | sorry for the whining, it's just getting to me now. |
| 13:33.34 | eTangenT | I'm afraid to go outside anymore. |
| 13:33.41 | eTangenT | But, on the plus side... BZFlag! |
| 13:33.45 | Manu | brlcad: and Those were the days? (from Mary Hopkin) :) |
| 13:34.04 | eTangenT | brlcad: Way to be an absurdly long distance away from me. :P |
| 13:34.48 | brlcad | eTangenT: bring it anytime youngin' ;) |
| 13:35.00 | eTangenT | brlcad: Nah, you're cool. |
| 13:35.18 | eTangenT | It's these morons in Littleton that bother me. |
| 13:35.27 | brlcad | alas, not as cool as the fonz |
| 13:35.36 | brlcad | bzg is though |
| 13:35.47 | eTangenT | one of them said he was going to come to where I work with some friends, and they would kick my ass over the counter. |
| 13:35.54 | eTangenT | Not one person showed up. |
| 13:36.14 | Manu | brlcad: today is festive here and tomorrow and ... |
| 13:36.44 | donny_baker | did someone say cookies :) |
| 13:37.02 | eTangenT | haha |
| 13:37.05 | eTangenT | galletas! |
| 13:37.24 | Manu | galletas! |
| 13:37.24 | donny_baker | mmmmm |
| 13:37.40 | eTangenT | galletas con chocolate? |
| 13:37.48 | donny_baker | any empenadas? |
| 13:38.02 | Manu | donny_baker: do you mean empanadas? |
| 13:38.23 | eTangenT | no. no hay empanadas. |
| 13:38.23 | eTangenT | :P |
| 13:38.27 | donny_baker | yep, I speak english :) |
| 13:38.50 | donny_baker | my wife and kids are the spanish speakers |
| 13:38.59 | Manu | donny_baker: mine too ;) |
| 13:39.24 | eTangenT | brlcad tiene cabesa de huevos. |
| 13:39.30 | Manu | lol |
| 13:39.37 | donny_baker | I am a spanish listener, just not a very good speaker ;-) |
| 13:39.49 | eTangenT | I work at Carl's Jr. |
| 13:39.52 | eTangenT | I've taken orders in Spanish |
| 13:40.11 | brlcad | mm.. debo hacer un ceviche de corvina o de camarones |
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| 13:40.31 | Manu | camarones. mmmmm |
| 13:42.12 | eTangenT | brlcad: Quitate. |
| 13:42.25 | eTangenT | :P |
| 13:42.29 | brlcad | chupame |
| 13:42.58 | brlcad | :) |
| 13:43.09 | Manu | :) |
| 13:43.12 | eTangenT | no te comprendo. |
| 13:43.21 | Manu | eTangenT: mejor ;) |
| 13:43.49 | eTangenT | heh |
| 13:43.54 | eTangenT | I should hit the shower about now. |
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| 14:04.47 | brlcad | Noodleman: pingo |
| 14:10.46 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r13974 10/trunk/bzflag/autogen.sh: apparently bz is still using a slightly older version.. update to latest which should fix/improve recursive configure support/failures as well as more automatic recovery of recursive clobbering |
| 14:13.53 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r13975 10/trunk/bzflag/AUTHORS: credit Tucker/Noodleman for the stats site and donny_baker for the wiki infrastructure) |
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| 14:29.44 | eTangenT | k, tengo que duchame. |
| 14:29.45 | eTangenT | adios. |
| 14:30.25 | donny_baker | ciao |
| 14:32.48 | ts | brlcad: Didn't talk about DR |
| 14:34.27 | Daveman | Hello, gentlemen. |
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| 15:06.57 | Daveman | Hi brlcad |
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| 16:27.53 | JeffM2501 | anyone know who runs the IFL? |
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| 16:33.00 | JeffM2501 | and anyone here on the DLC? you guys still need that channel? it's been dead for months |
| 16:33.06 | JeffM2501 | sorry |
| 16:33.08 | JeffM2501 | fourm |
| 16:33.10 | JeffM2501 | not channel :) |
| 16:35.15 | JeffM2501 | Chestal and ts thanks for going over my code, the iterator stuff got complex realy fast, so I was a bit woried about it. |
| 16:37.32 | Chestal | JeffM2501: yes, can't say I am 100% confident about it. But the version I submitted shoudl do the same as yours with the it = map.erase(it) syntax. WHich compiler is eating that btw.? |
| 16:37.50 | JeffM2501 | vc |
| 16:38.11 | JeffM2501 | erase returns a new iterator |
| 16:38.23 | JeffM2501 | to the one after the one you errase, so it works for me |
| 16:38.32 | JeffM2501 | but at least somone else looked at it :) |
| 16:40.30 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, are the DLC fourms still used? |
| 16:40.48 | Chestal | it's undead |
| 16:40.56 | JeffM2501 | so maybe come back soon? |
| 16:41.41 | Chestal | probably not, I haven't mae a decision about it really, then time passed, then some more. Seems unlikely it will be back, at least no in the same form |
| 16:42.02 | JeffM2501 | do ou need any of the data in it? |
| 16:43.04 | Chestal | hmm, might be good to have it at least archived somehow |
| 16:43.21 | JeffM2501 | I'll get blast to snap a database backup |
| 16:43.31 | JeffM2501 | or do you want them archived in the attic |
| 16:44.01 | Chestal | attic? |
| 16:44.11 | JeffM2501 | we have a hidden section to store old posts |
| 16:44.21 | Chestal | ah, that might be best for now |
| 16:44.23 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 16:44.32 | JeffM2501 | I'll still have blast snap a backup :) |
| 16:44.48 | Chestal | backups rarely hurt |
| 16:44.58 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 16:45.04 | JeffM2501 | you have a .bz account on the machine? |
| 16:45.36 | Chestal | seems so, I just tried :-) |
| 16:45.39 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 16:45.42 | Chestal | not very familiar with it though |
| 16:45.47 | JeffM2501 | I'll have it dumped into your homedir |
| 16:45.49 | JeffM2501 | that's all :) |
| 16:46.02 | Chestal | ok, thanks |
| 16:46.28 | ts | JeffM2501: Still the server can't connect to a client |
| 16:46.52 | ts | no one can join |
| 16:47.06 | JeffM2501 | then what'd ya break, cus it worked when I tested it :) |
| 16:47.30 | ts | It didn't compile when you checked it in |
| 16:47.35 | JeffM2501 | did for me |
| 16:47.35 | Chestal | well, it could be our erase changes |
| 16:47.47 | Chestal | I haven't really looked at the big picture, just tried to keep the original semantics |
| 16:47.49 | JeffM2501 | ts, debug, setep step step |
| 16:47.53 | JeffM2501 | I can't debug it here |
| 16:48.03 | JeffM2501 | not for 7 more hours |
| 16:49.33 | JeffM2501 | so your STL implemntation dosn't return the iterator after the erased one? |
| 16:49.56 | Chestal | set and map erase don't |
| 16:50.09 | Chestal | vector and list do |
| 16:50.26 | JeffM2501 | well I can do a delete pending flag |
| 16:50.32 | Chestal | I don't undersdtand why list does because it shouldn't be invaldiating any other iterators just liek set/map |
| 16:50.35 | JeffM2501 | it'll make a couple things easier |
| 16:51.00 | Chestal | the fictional :-) it = m.erase(it) should do the same as m.erase(it++) |
| 16:51.28 | Chestal | but yes, it might be cleaner to erase in a second step |
| 16:51.35 | JeffM2501 | yeah I think it would |
| 16:51.48 | JeffM2501 | the iterator logic is wacky |
| 16:51.56 | JeffM2501 | I can rework that later today |
| 16:53.59 | Chestal | ~bzsvn |
| 16:54.06 | ibot | i guess bzsvn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag |
| 16:55.28 | JeffM2501 | a delete flag will work better with some other changes I have too |
| 16:58.35 | JeffM2501 | how about the public leauge forum? |
| 16:58.40 | JeffM2501 | for ducati |
| 17:00.37 | Daveman | JeffM, having fun at work? :) |
| 17:00.38 | brlcad | Daveman: we don't speak of such things |
| 17:00.38 | Daveman | Well, sorry :P |
| 17:00.38 | brlcad | :) |
| 17:00.38 | Chestal | JeffM2501: I'd like to keep that |
| 17:00.39 | JeffM2501 | wait for a test to run, ues |
| 17:00.39 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, ok |
| 17:00.39 | brlcad | yeah, ducati forum is good stuff |
| 17:01.08 | JeffM2501 | same for the server admin private one too I assume? |
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| 17:01.25 | Daveman | brlcad, how's your day going so far? |
| 17:01.26 | Chestal | yay, the router out there that was slow the last three days works right now. It added 90-100ms of latency for me to most interesting bzflag servers |
| 17:01.54 | brlcad | Daveman: hectic |
| 17:02.13 | Daveman | :\ |
| 17:02.18 | Chestal | JeffM2501: we mostly use IRC for that now, but yes, keep it for now |
| 17:02.22 | JeffM2501 | gotta find out about the Tournaments dir too |
| 17:02.25 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, ok |
| 17:02.28 | brlcad | Chestal: there was a proposal for a proxy network testing relay if you're interested in mentoring it :) |
| 17:03.07 | brlcad | to induce lag/jitter, evaluate performance, serve as a general relay, etc |
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| 17:04.36 | Chestal | I was actually thining of a pure virtual (simplified) environment, but both have their uses |
| 17:04.44 | blast007 | JeffM2501: updating the query script might take a little more effort than originally expected ;) |
| 17:04.54 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 17:04.55 | Daveman | brlcad, sorry I passed that one up :) |
| 17:04.57 | Chestal | and the testign proxy could ba abused to do manual level 7 routing to beat the stupid level 3 routing :-) |
| 17:05.06 | blast007 | sending "BZFLAG\r\n\r\n" to older servers kicks you off them |
| 17:05.08 | JeffM2501 | strayer did a test, you can't just send out the conenct string to old ones |
| 17:05.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:05.19 | JeffM2501 | so youll have to swap based on version from the list |
| 17:05.27 | blast007 | right |
| 17:05.50 | TimRiker | problem is that something like: |
| 17:06.03 | blast007 | the ~bzfquery command doesn't check the list though |
| 17:06.08 | TimRiker | ~bzfquery localhost:5154 |
| 17:06.18 | TimRiker | does not know what version to try. |
| 17:06.25 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:06.27 | JeffM2501 | then we'll need 2 |
| 17:06.34 | TimRiker | should probably try the new format, and then try the old if the new one fails. |
| 17:06.55 | TimRiker | sound good blast007? |
| 17:07.05 | JeffM2501 | or try the new if you don't get anything back in some time |
| 17:07.17 | JeffM2501 | whatever works for ay tho |
| 17:07.21 | TimRiker | that could work too, but tougher. |
| 17:07.24 | blast007 | I tried sending a faked invalid packet to the server (a.k.a. sending the length of 10 and packet type of 0) but 2.0.9 kicks me off for sending a non-allowed packet before Enter ;) |
| 17:07.30 | brlcad | if there is were a basic http response interface, could just make a standard query to obtain the version |
| 17:07.44 | brlcad | GET /IDENT or somesuch |
| 17:07.49 | JeffM2501 | the problem is old servers |
| 17:08.39 | brlcad | shouldn't be a problem for ibot -- old servers announce on connect |
| 17:08.50 | JeffM2501 | well it's all busted now anway, so there is no rush :) |
| 17:09.41 | TheRedBaron | I"m guessing the asterisks after the ideas mentioned here - http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code - means that some one is working on it? |
| 17:09.59 | JeffM2501 | it means we got a propsal for it |
| 17:10.02 | JeffM2501 | at least 1 |
| 17:10.06 | TimRiker | brlcad: that's what JeffM2501 said, wait a short time for the old connect, if not, send the new BZFLAG connect. |
| 17:10.24 | blast007 | "Ideas marked with an "*" indicate entries where we have already been received at least two or more submissions for that idea." |
| 17:11.02 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: when should there be a new server up to try? |
| 17:11.22 | JeffM2501 | I'll won't be able to do my changes till after 5 |
| 17:11.31 | JeffM2501 | there was one up last night |
| 17:11.31 | TimRiker | k. not pushing, just asking. |
| 17:11.49 | JeffM2501 | it even served up an HTTP request :) |
| 17:12.27 | TheRedBaron | blast007: I"m blind :( |
| 17:12.37 | TimRiker | sweet. :) |
| 17:13.00 | TimRiker | is it just a matter of running a trunk server? |
| 17:13.18 | TimRiker | or are other things busted at the moment? |
| 17:14.14 | JeffM2501 | the trunk server is busted |
| 17:14.23 | JeffM2501 | clients will not connect |
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| 17:14.46 | JeffM2501 | seems MSs map erase is difrent from the gcc one |
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| 17:15.01 | JeffM2501 | so I'm changing how I kill the peers |
| 17:15.10 | JeffM2501 | it'll be cleaner the new way anyway |
| 17:15.23 | JeffM2501 | but to serve HTTP you need a plugin, cus that's just how I implemented the sample hook |
| 17:15.49 | blast007 | JeffM2501: hmm, clients connect fine, but the server goes into an inf. loop when they leave ;) |
| 17:15.53 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:16.03 | JeffM2501 | that's when we try to kill them :) |
| 17:16.14 | JeffM2501 | a pending delete flag will be much nicer |
| 17:16.17 | brlcad | TimRiker: yeah, just that that timing "wait" is somewhat unreliable unless you just wait for an annoyingly long time |
| 17:16.36 | blast007 | JeffM2501: and then when I kill bzfs, bzadmin goes into an inf. loop |
| 17:16.56 | blast007 | doesn't seem to detect that the connection went away |
| 17:16.59 | brlcad | I mean tcp itself allows for a pretty extensive timeframe on setup |
| 17:17.01 | JeffM2501 | hmmm.... may need to close any pending connections too |
| 17:17.05 | JeffM2501 | I'll look into that |
| 17:17.12 | blast007 | but didn't have time to debug too much |
| 17:17.18 | JeffM2501 | no, I know what that is |
| 17:17.20 | JeffM2501 | I can fix it |
| 17:17.20 | brlcad | but for practical purposes, a few seconds is probably "reasonable enough" |
| 17:17.29 | blast007 | k |
| 17:17.44 | JeffM2501 | the active connections are kept in a difrent list now |
| 17:17.59 | JeffM2501 | and I need to close them when we bail |
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| 17:18.37 | JeffM2501 | network connection is no longer tied directly to a player record :) |
| 17:18.37 | blast007 | JeffM2501: and when I mean kill bzfs, I mean, "End Task", not a proper server shutdown ;) |
| 17:18.47 | JeffM2501 | and we used to die clean? |
| 17:18.55 | blast007 | afaik |
| 17:19.02 | blast007 | though maybe not on Windows |
| 17:19.09 | JeffM2501 | then we must have some code somewhere taht closes them |
| 17:19.13 | JeffM2501 | some "on end" |
| 17:19.45 | JeffM2501 | cus I'm using the same netHandler class for connections, I just keep them in a difrent list |
| 17:19.59 | blast007 | hmm, guess it did that before anyway |
| 17:20.15 | blast007 | when I kill -9 bzfs on linux, bzadmin uses all my CPU |
| 17:20.28 | JeffM2501 | proably should fix bzadmin to have a cleaner timeout |
| 17:21.16 | blast007 | might just be some failed logic too, but I'm not sure how all the networking functions are supposed to operate |
| 17:21.35 | JeffM2501 | I have a better grasp of it now, since I've had to dig into it |
| 17:21.41 | Chestal | well, if the server task is killed, the operatign system will send packets to shutdown the TCP connection |
| 17:21.47 | Chestal | so the client should be able to notice that |
| 17:21.56 | blast007 | don't have the code in front of me, but on variable was set to -1, and was then checked using: if (!var) return -1; |
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| 17:22.01 | JeffM2501 | so it's probably just bzadmin not checking for a disconect |
| 17:22.05 | blast007 | but one* |
| 17:22.23 | brlcad | Chestal: you could probably coerce them to create a different testing environment |
| 17:22.31 | blast007 | and there is also some checks for ServerLink::Okay, but they seem to be set as Okay even if the bzfs is killed |
| 17:22.35 | brlcad | but you'd certainly need to be the mentor :) |
| 17:25.24 | Chestal | mentor sounds like work, somethign which I try to avoid at the moment :-) (too much tedious work at my real job right now) |
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| 17:33.27 | Daveman | heehee |
| 17:34.02 | TheRedBaron | 1. Thou shalt not have any other project than bzflag? |
| 17:34.24 | Epyon | brlcad, any new news? |
| 17:34.35 | Daveman | All hail brlcad? |
| 17:34.35 | Pumpernickel | 2. Thou shalt not code in any language but C, or make of C a false superset to use? |
| 17:34.48 | Daveman | C/C++ ? |
| 17:38.36 | JeffM2501 | I never code in pure C |
| 17:38.45 | TD-Linux | Pumpernickel: that would be great... 'specially considering that all bzflag sources are c++ |
| 17:39.13 | *** topic/#bzflag by brlcad -> http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/wiki/index.php/Getting_Help || http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9453 || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || http://fisheye1.cenqua.com/browse/bzflag/bzflag || New WIKI! http://my.bzflag.org/w/ || Migrated from CVS to SVN: http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN || GSoC slots and final slot allocations are not yet known, keep an eye on http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summ |
| 17:39.20 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, does it involve the term "he who smelt it ..dealth it" |
| 17:39.21 | brlcad | bah |
| 17:39.23 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, too long |
| 17:39.28 | TD-Linux | I've coded in pure C, but I only had 2K of rom and 128 bytes of ram, so any space I could save was worth it |
| 17:39.46 | *** topic/#bzflag by brlcad -> http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/wiki/index.php/Getting_Help || http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9453 || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || http://fisheye1.cenqua.com/browse/bzflag/bzflag || New WIKI! http://my.bzflag.org/w/ || Migrated from CVS to SVN: http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN || GSoC slots and final slot allocations are not known, watch http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code |
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| 17:45.25 | Daveman | heh |
| 17:45.48 | Daveman | brlcad, how are the commandments coming? ;) |
| 17:47.13 | brlcad | they're done |
| 17:50.59 | Daveman | Excellent. |
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| 18:14.08 | CBG | ~donny_baker++ |
| 18:19.13 | CBG | Can someone quickly explain exactly what "braking protocol" means, in bz terms? I would have thought that if some change to bzfs meant that players would have to download a new client to play at those servers, you would say protocol had been broken (since those new servers would probably have to run on a new proto so as old clients couldn't join them)... |
| 18:19.50 | ruskie | breaking you mean ;) |
| 18:20.00 | CBG | uh, yes. :) |
| 18:20.09 | ruskie | and yeah I think you got the idea |
| 18:20.15 | Erroneous | any change which breaks network or gameplay compatibility requires a protocol bump |
| 18:21.13 | Daveman | breaking protocol? |
| 18:21.29 | CBG | So, "Implementing that wound not break the BZFlag protocol (the packet data sent between the server and client), but it would require at least two new server variables, and, in order to use it, a new client." is a contradiction in terms", kinda, right? |
| 18:21.40 | CBG | s/terms"/terms/ |
| 18:22.15 | Manu | CBG: it means server and clients must talk the same language ;) |
| 18:22.27 | Erroneous | CBG: it depends |
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| 18:22.32 | CBG | If a new client is required to play on a server, protocol has been broken? |
| 18:22.40 | Erroneous | is it required to play? |
| 18:22.44 | Erroneous | depends what the feature is |
| 18:22.47 | CBG | I'm talking about this topic, btw, http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=10522 |
| 18:22.54 | CBG | Wings - without a wings flag. |
| 18:23.02 | Erroneous | fog, for instance, required new server variables and a new client to use it |
| 18:23.08 | CBG | The ability for tanks to fly, as a server option. |
| 18:23.15 | Erroneous | that is a breaking change, yes |
| 18:23.34 | CBG | The last poster, AAA, suggests that it would not break protocol but that a new client would be required to play on those servers... |
| 18:24.15 | ruskie | yeah a el-cheato client :) |
| 18:24.15 | Erroneous | our policy is to break protocol for changes of that nature |
| 18:24.15 | CBG | which seems to suggest that it WOULD break proto, to me. |
| 18:24.15 | QuantumBeep | You know, if I ever see a flying tank with a GM, I'm quitting BZ for good. |
| 18:24.46 | blast007 | CBG: it would be a gameplay change, and we try to maintain a consistent form of gameplay with compatible clients |
| 18:25.01 | CBG | ok, thanks all. I posted my reply. |
| 18:25.10 | Erroneous | QuantumBeep: actually jeff has a plugin that can be configured to do that now...if you'd like to see one, I'm sure it could be arranged |
| 18:25.46 | donny_baker | CBG: for the hair? |
| 18:26.26 | CBG | donny_baker: yep |
| 18:26.41 | donny_baker | ty |
| 18:26.55 | CBG | yw |
| 18:30.20 | JeffM2501 | the plug-in is even in SVN :) |
| 18:30.32 | Daveman | woot |
| 18:30.41 | QuantumBeep | That's quite alright. I despise wings as it is |
| 18:30.44 | JeffM2501 | -loadplugin weaponArena,GM +f WG |
| 18:30.51 | JeffM2501 | that'd do it right there |
| 18:31.01 | JeffM2501 | no guidance on the GMs, but you'd get GMs |
| 18:31.03 | TimRiker | what's the GM for? |
| 18:31.09 | JeffM2501 | default shot type |
| 18:31.14 | TimRiker | ah |
| 18:31.32 | donny_baker | that is 2.0.x or 2.1? |
| 18:31.35 | JeffM2501 | 2.1 |
| 18:31.39 | JeffM2501 | totaly |
| 18:31.46 | JeffM2501 | that was a big proto breaker ;) |
| 18:31.52 | Daveman | I think I'm going to try to test the http connect |
| 18:31.59 | JeffM2501 | Daveman, good luck |
| 18:32.04 | JeffM2501 | cus it won't work |
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| 18:32.12 | Erroneous | heh |
| 18:34.13 | Daveman | Gee, thanks for the bode of confidence :) |
| 18:35.02 | JeffM2501 | no, I'm telling you it is broken |
| 18:35.10 | JeffM2501 | as has been stated here a number of times |
| 18:35.24 | JeffM2501 | BZFX0048 proto servers are busted. |
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| 18:38.07 | Daveman | oh, right. |
| 18:38.26 | Daveman | Sorry, I guess I'm just getting a bit carried away with all the recent excitement. :) |
| 18:40.25 | Tedius | hmm |
| 18:40.41 | JeffM2501 | it's just a code change |
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| 19:12.32 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r13977 10/branches/v2_0_cs_branch/bzflag/src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx: Mounting all searched data directory, together, under a unique path. |
| 19:25.54 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r13978 10/branches/v2_0_cs_branch/bzflag/src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx: A left debugging instruction removed |
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| 19:30.29 | CBG | Is there a known problem with bzfs from current 2.0 branch cvs ? |
| 19:32.43 | TD-Linux | CBG: read the topic |
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| 19:33.28 | CBG | TD-Linux: what about it? |
| 19:33.37 | TD-Linux | if there is a problem, nobody's gonna fix it, becuase we use svn now ;) |
| 19:33.45 | CBG | svn then, whatever. |
| 19:33.53 | CBG | Is there a known problem with bzfs from current 2.0 branch svn? |
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| 20:15.21 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r13979 10/branches/v2_0_cs_branch/bzflag/src/3D/Makefile.am: CRYSTAL_CFLAGS usage more consistent with other Makefiles |
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| 20:20.15 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, can you make that VC plugin for 7.1? or just 8? |
| 20:20.26 | Erroneous | probably either |
| 20:20.32 | JeffM2501 | going to do it? |
| 20:20.33 | Erroneous | I haven't looked into it much |
| 20:20.42 | Erroneous | just an idea I had when you mentioned it |
| 20:20.46 | JeffM2501 | be usefull :) |
| 20:20.52 | Erroneous | indeed it would |
| 20:21.19 | JeffM2501 | the nix OSS devs of the world woudl sing your name in joy |
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| 20:42.31 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r13980 10/branches/v2_0_cs_branch/bzflag/src/3D/ (BitmapFont.cxx BitmapFont.h): Cleaning BitmapFont files |
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| 20:49.31 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r13981 10/branches/v2_0_cs_branch/bzflag/src/mediafile/ (8 files): Removing unused files |
| 20:53.33 | *** part/#bzflag donny_baker (n=donny_ba@about/essy/vvvvv/donnybaker) |
| 21:00.36 | JeffM2501 | is it just me or does removePlayer not actualy CLOSE the net connection? |
| 21:06.39 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r13982 10/branches/v2_0_cs_branch/bzflag/ (5 files in 4 dirs): readImage moved to TextureManager |
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| 21:15.22 | orchid | ~bzg |
| 21:15.40 | tupone | ciao orchid |
| 21:15.43 | orchid | salut tupone |
| 21:16.50 | brlcad | ~nslookup bzgirl.bzflag.org |
| 21:17.42 | TimRiker | bzgirl was disabled by request. |
| 21:17.53 | TimRiker | used to be 64.26.176.100 |
| 21:18.05 | orchid | doh |
| 21:18.40 | TimRiker | june of '05 |
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| 21:20.02 | TimRiker | angela asked for it on 04/25/2005 |
| 21:20.28 | orchid | yeah, my isp went dynamic on me I think |
| 21:20.46 | big_daddy2 | sup tim |
| 21:20.52 | orchid | ibot forget bzg |
| 21:20.52 | ibot | orchid: i forgot bzg |
| 21:20.54 | TimRiker | dyndns.org or similar would handle that. |
| 21:21.15 | TimRiker | then bzgirl.b.o could point to the dyndns name. |
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| 21:42.57 | Birdie | bzbb boys: In Gu league we use that bzbb group to talk and spawn, some guy complained that when you dont use it for two months you get auto removed, is that true? |
| 21:43.06 | Birdie | is it something we can set or..? |
| 21:43.17 | Birdie | its surely not done manually (to much work:) ) |
| 21:45.11 | ruskie | erm |
| 21:45.36 | Erroneous | only unverified users are removed |
| 21:46.45 | Erroneous | and groups are never changed automatically, so if his user still exists he should still be in all the groups |
| 21:48.15 | Birdie | hm |
| 21:48.21 | Birdie | thats not what he told me:/ |
| 21:48.27 | Birdie | he says he was autokicked after two months |
| 21:48.47 | Dessy | lol |
| 21:50.38 | Dessy | you mean they will be autokicked from the group? |
| 21:50.38 | Birdie | yea thats what he said |
| 21:50.46 | Dessy | hm cant be, i have too groups and many users are more then 3 months inaktiv.. |
| 21:51.40 | Birdie | yea but i thought, maybe for the talk and spawn group (instead of cops or admins) it might be different or a setting you can do for the group |
| 21:55.19 | ts | Birdie: Groups are just groups, no matter what name |
| 21:55.35 | ts | Birdie: The perms you give to members don't have anything to do with bzbb |
| 21:58.17 | Birdie | yea i dunno, dont know much about it, you never knew some smartass coded somethign for it:) |
| 21:59.14 | ts | I don't think it was coded a smart way |
| 21:59.36 | ts | rather..hackish |
| 22:00.27 | Erroneous | groups are just phpbb, not our own thing |
| 22:03.34 | blast007 | it's possible there is a script the league runs that removes them after a period of time |
| 22:10.35 | Birdie | i would be very surprised if that was the case |
| 22:10.50 | Birdie | or it would have been evil meno |
| 22:16.17 | JeffM2501 | we get slottastic yet |
| 22:17.07 | brlcad | just rewording and getting ready |
| 22:17.56 | JeffM2501 | reading is for girls |
| 22:19.37 | Winny | anyone remember who? |
| 22:20.24 | purple_cow | that's a very silly idea |
| 22:20.29 | purple_cow | using php for anything but web pages is "very silly", and using it for web pages is just "silly" |
| 22:20.30 | JeffM2501 | not if they just REALY like lag |
| 22:20.48 | purple_cow | you can get that through other, more elegant methods |
| 22:21.04 | JeffM2501 | for loops |
| 22:21.06 | JeffM2501 | they work great |
| 22:22.48 | Winny | *cough* who? :P |
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| 22:27.27 | blast007 | ~lart purple_cow |
| 22:27.27 | ibot | gives purple_cow a good seeing to |
| 22:28.17 | blast007 | purple_cow: you'd probably think my PHP bzflag client communication library is very silly then ;) |
| 22:28.28 | purple_cow | yes |
| 22:29.32 | a_meteorite | then you'd think AAA_awright's PHP bzfs server is even sillier |
| 22:29.41 | AAA_awright | Hi |
| 22:29.44 | a_meteorite | hey |
| 22:30.21 | AAA_awright | I was, btw Winny, purple_cow |
| 22:31.20 | AAA_awright | http://labs.redjacket.ws/bzfsadmin/BZFlag_Info/docs/api/ |
| 22:32.07 | JeffM2501 | what woudl the advantage of it be |
| 22:33.12 | a_meteorite | easier development? |
| 22:33.14 | purple_cow | it would open up bzfs hacking to a whole set of people who are too lazy to learn C++! |
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| 22:33.30 | purple_cow | php is not in any way easier for large projects |
| 22:33.38 | a_meteorite | no, it's not |
| 22:33.41 | JeffM2501 | how would having to maintain 2 verisons of the server easier? |
| 22:33.48 | a_meteorite | but it's good for small scripts which is what BZFlag_Info is for |
| 22:33.58 | blast007 | I don't think it's a serious project, or at least I hope not |
| 22:34.05 | a_meteorite | it is |
| 22:34.08 | a_meteorite | it has been |
| 22:34.08 | blast007 | o.O |
| 22:34.14 | blast007 | the php bzflag server? |
| 22:34.16 | a_meteorite | in fact, we merged it with masterbot |
| 22:34.22 | a_meteorite | oh, I don't know about the php bzfs server |
| 22:34.28 | a_meteorite | bzflag_info is very serious, though |
| 22:34.29 | JeffM2501 | then you guys ahve no clue what the server realy does |
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| 22:34.47 | blast007 | a_meteorite: I thought we were talking about the php bzflag server |
| 22:34.52 | JeffM2501 | we were |
| 22:34.56 | JeffM2501 | he just wasn't |
| 22:35.00 | blast007 | ;) |
| 22:35.05 | a_meteorite | blast007: AAA_awright's link is to BZFlag_Info |
| 22:35.16 | a_meteorite | and then jeff responded based off that :) |
| 22:35.44 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 22:35.44 | blast007 | how do you know jeff responsed based on that? |
| 22:35.47 | JeffM2501 | I was talking about the server |
| 22:35.48 | blast007 | you had said about his PHP bzfs server just before that |
| 22:35.55 | a_meteorite | well, see, how could I tell? |
| 22:36.04 | blast007 | you couldn't, you assumed |
| 22:36.11 | JeffM2501 | common sense |
| 22:36.11 | a_meteorite | so did you ;) |
| 22:36.18 | JeffM2501 | it's the subject that the rest of us were discussion |
| 22:36.43 | JeffM2501 | it is the last thing I had talked about |
| 22:36.48 | a_meteorite | they're both PHP... it's hard to tell what we were referring to. and I really didn't want to start an argument. |
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| 22:37.07 | a_meteorite | the PHP bzfs server is not meant for practical purposes, afaik, it's meant for other purposes |
| 22:37.25 | JeffM2501 | what else can a bzfalg server do then serve bzflag? |
| 22:37.40 | a_meteorite | focus around chat? |
| 22:37.42 | blast007 | JeffM2501: well, now it can run a web server |
| 22:37.43 | blast007 | ;) |
| 22:37.48 | AAA_awright | By no means is it supposed to be efficent... though actually phpbzfs vs. c++bzfs, php actually does better (who knew?) |
| 22:37.50 | JeffM2501 | you want to use bzflag as a chat protocoll? |
| 22:38.04 | JeffM2501 | AAA_awright, what do you mean by 'does better"? |
| 22:38.04 | blast007 | AAA_awright: I doubt that |
| 22:38.17 | JeffM2501 | does less, sure |
| 22:38.19 | a_meteorite | ask AAA_awright what his intentions are with the php bzfs server... I really don't know... I do know about BZFlag_Info, though |
| 22:38.28 | AAA_awright | Which is probably why |
| 22:38.44 | blast007 | you have probably only implemented 1% of what the regular bzfs does, if that |
| 22:38.47 | AAA_awright | does less -> less stuff to process -> better ping time |
| 22:38.48 | JeffM2501 | then hell my tcp connection sample is the best bzflag server EVAR! |
| 22:38.49 | a_meteorite | actually you can join to a map |
| 22:39.02 | a_meteorite | but you can't actually play :) |
| 22:39.03 | blast007 | a_meteorite: yeah, you just can't spawn |
| 22:39.08 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 22:39.11 | AAA_awright | It can send cached map files, you can sprawn, but not move now, |
| 22:39.22 | a_meteorite | blast007: it's the funnest thing ever! |
| 22:39.22 | JeffM2501 | wow, a page that sends out a world :) |
| 22:39.23 | a_meteorite | ;) |
| 22:39.26 | The_Vaxorcist | impressive |
| 22:39.44 | blast007 | AAA_awright: can it load .bzw files and generate the cache file to send? |
| 22:39.48 | JeffM2501 | at least do it in python where you could have a positilbity of being sane |
| 22:40.01 | AAA_awright | It can't, and likely never will, parse .bzw files |
| 22:40.15 | blast007 | heh |
| 22:40.35 | JeffM2501 | you could make a plugin now to autogen the cache files |
| 22:40.42 | JeffM2501 | with server reset and mapload |
| 22:40.51 | CThinkTanker | can someone explain to me why some maps disappear from the servers list? |
| 22:40.55 | AAA_awright | You have to compile it with bzfs first, into a bwc |
| 22:41.07 | JeffM2501 | CThinkTanker, the server shuts down |
| 22:41.14 | ruskie | :) |
| 22:41.24 | blast007 | CThinkTanker: maps that you run? |
| 22:41.27 | CThinkTanker | all servers shut down eventually |
| 22:41.38 | CThinkTanker | not my map, it was ducatiwannabe's ctf gmwar |
| 22:41.52 | CThinkTanker | all servers shut down eventually?*** |
| 22:42.01 | JeffM2501 | sure, they go up and down |
| 22:42.05 | ruskie | I wonder which server/map combo is atm the longest running |
| 22:42.06 | JeffM2501 | depending on how the host wants to run it |
| 22:42.11 | CThinkTanker | well I hope that one returns |
| 22:42.15 | CThinkTanker | ah ok |
| 22:42.22 | JeffM2501 | they are just servers run by real people |
| 22:42.29 | JeffM2501 | anyone can host a server |
| 22:43.03 | Winny | Not anyone... Your IQ needs to be over 50 |
| 22:43.28 | a_meteorite | the least IQ needed is not guaranteed by the LGPL |
| 22:43.30 | AAA_awright | At one point I was recording server uptime... until MoFo kicked meteorite off their server |
| 22:43.46 | spldart | ? |
| 22:44.02 | a_meteorite | spldart: you never knew..? |
| 22:44.13 | spldart | heh? |
| 22:44.21 | spldart | no |
| 22:44.30 | a_meteorite | that's what happens when I post it in the forums and it gets removed :P |
| 22:44.57 | AAA_awright | over-moderating, eh? |
| 22:45.13 | JeffM2501 | no, just not something that needs to be discussied in his public posts |
| 22:45.23 | JeffM2501 | hosts come and go, it's the nature of the game |
| 22:45.33 | CThinkTanker | :( |
| 22:45.36 | a_meteorite | bzfx is around to stay whether or not people like it |
| 22:45.38 | ruskie | AAA_awright, I don't mean longest uptime I meant longest running as in how many years has the server and map combo existed :) |
| 22:46.20 | AAA_awright | That is (one thing) it actually did... |
| 22:46.26 | JeffM2501 | is hix still runing? |
| 22:46.43 | AAA_awright | it is hard to record when a server is restarted, so restarts didn't count on the online timer |
| 22:46.53 | AAA_awright | but going down for a day did... |
| 22:47.07 | AAA_awright | Hix, not that I can tell |
| 22:47.09 | JeffM2501 | hix on xmission was the same for ages |
| 22:47.12 | AAA_awright | I remember xmission |
| 22:47.26 | AAA_awright | v1 and v2 |
| 22:47.42 | AAA_awright | then... secretplace was up for a while as well |
| 22:48.11 | ruskie | doesn't matter if map got a revision as long as it looks more or less the same and is running on the same server and it doesn't matter if there's downtime... |
| 22:49.10 | AAA_awright | HiX v1 vs. v2 was significant... but even if it didn't matter I still would say secertplace probably was the longest-lasting server |
| 22:49.15 | AAA_awright | mabye... |
| 22:49.36 | ruskie | with the same map? |
| 22:49.50 | AAA_awright | I believe, Spirals by... someone |
| 22:50.08 | JeffM2501 | doug |
| 22:50.24 | AAA_awright | Sounds firmiliar |
| 22:54.07 | Noodleman | AAA_awright: i know who you are |
| 22:54.20 | AAA_awright | Who? |
| 22:54.29 | a_meteorite | he's AAA_awright... |
| 22:54.38 | Winny | God himself? :o |
| 22:54.56 | Noodleman | heh |
| 22:55.07 | Noodleman | he knows who he is, and he knows i know who he is |
| 22:55.26 | AAA_awright | Well prove it then :) |
| 22:55.44 | Noodleman | new now know how? |
| 22:55.55 | Noodleman | spirals by... |
| 22:55.59 | Noodleman | you know who you are :-P |
| 22:57.02 | AAA_awright | "new now know how", the default name ChatZilla uses |
| 22:57.26 | Noodleman | heh, forget it |
| 23:02.33 | lodxcol | what's the argument for a conf file allowing flags to spawn on buildings? |
| 23:02.51 | a_meteorite | -fb |
| 23:02.56 | lodxcol | thanks |
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| 23:06.13 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v L4m3r] by ChanServ |
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| 23:51.12 | spldart | is Tazmun a regular trusted player in general? Or more an unknown? |
| 23:51.35 | a_meteorite | define trusted |
| 23:52.08 | spldart | Someone that most have seen at one time or another and has not been associated with unapproved behavior/client |
| 23:52.20 | a_meteorite | yes |
| 23:52.30 | spldart | Okies.... must have been a glitch |
| 23:59.09 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r13983 10/trunk/bzflag/ (include/NetHandler.h src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx src/bzfs/bzfs.h): |
| 23:59.09 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: fix up the deleting of connected peers. |
| 23:59.09 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: still have broken connections, but am getting closer. |