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| 00:15.49 | Epyon | g'evenin' all ;] |
| 00:16.09 | a_meteorite | afternoon :P |
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| 00:17.00 | Winny | ~lart a_meteorite |
| 00:17.00 | ibot | installs PocketPC on a_meteorite's PDA |
| 00:17.03 | Winny | :D |
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| 00:26.24 | Sir_Pants | is it going to be possible for say admins to message an entire team rather than all players or a single player? |
| 00:26.48 | a_meteorite | it already is possibl |
| 00:27.21 | a_meteorite | the protocol supports it, just gotta mod it up |
| 00:29.20 | TD-Linux | hahahaha dslinux supports ncurses... this could be evil - bzadmin on the ds >:-D |
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| 00:31.19 | a_meteorite | TD-Linux: what about networking? |
| 00:31.30 | TD-Linux | yup |
| 00:31.33 | TD-Linux | over the wi-fi |
| 00:31.37 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 00:31.43 | TD-Linux | it has a software tcp/ip stack |
| 00:31.51 | a_meteorite | eek |
| 00:32.03 | a_meteorite | sounds like it would be... slow |
| 00:32.43 | TD-Linux | it's only 802.11b in the first place, so Nintendo uses their own custom packet format (like udp, but slimmer yet) for DS<->DS multiplayer. |
| 00:33.05 | TD-Linux | a_meteorite: not really, Mario Kart DS is pretty playable over what is probably a software UDP stack |
| 00:33.24 | Sir_Pants | a_meteorite: ok, the question is how long would it take to mod really? |
| 00:34.00 | a_meteorite | not long, but I've never tested how bzflag would format an incoming team message. |
| 00:34.50 | a_meteorite | of course I could make it format it right, but I don't know how older clients will react :) |
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| 00:38.49 | Sir_Pants | mmmk |
| 00:38.52 | Sir_Pants | i was just wondering |
| 00:39.03 | Sir_Pants | it might be nice feature if you want to talk to an entire team |
| 00:43.10 | AAA_awright | The DS implements the Wi-Fi physical layer, and (I believe) the Ethernet data link layer, but software can use a choice of IP or Nintendo's own network layer that can support up to 16 clients. |
| 00:43.40 | AAA_awright | Which, supporting no more than 16 clients, makes it much more efficient. |
| 00:45.09 | AAA_awright | Sir_Pants: BZFlag protocol has had the ability to send messages to other teams ever since team messages were added... whenever that was. But why would an admin want to send a message to just a team? |
| 00:45.34 | Sir_Pants | for instance on 1way ctf |
| 00:45.45 | AAA_awright | If it is worth sending to an entire team that you are not on, it can probably be sent to everyone, or am I wrong? |
| 00:45.49 | Sir_Pants | if two flags spawn, one for each team, just to warn them not to cap them |
| 00:46.08 | Sir_Pants | iono |
| 00:46.11 | Sir_Pants | i dont know |
| 00:46.18 | Sir_Pants | i just thought it might be nice |
| 00:46.23 | AAA_awright | How would 1-way CTF work? |
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| 00:50.38 | Sir_Pants | go the normandy |
| 00:50.45 | Sir_Pants | *go to the normandy server |
| 01:01.53 | Epyon | Any new GSoC news? |
| 01:04.34 | Epyon | time for another -20. This game is addictive... |
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| 01:16.23 | tannerld | donny_baker: poke |
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| 01:34.24 | mastro | hi all; any GSoC mentor here? I've seen that mvl asked yesterday a question a potential conflict with the PSF... |
| 01:34.35 | mastro | ... and since I applied for both bzflag and python maybe he was referring to me |
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| 02:04.57 | mastro | hi JeffM2501, you are a GSoC mentor, right? |
| 02:05.54 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 02:06.16 | mastro | I've seen that mvl asked here yesterday a question a potential conflict with the PSF... |
| 02:06.23 | mastro | ... and since I applied for both bzflag and python maybe he was referring to me |
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| 02:10.31 | lynk | grr |
| 02:10.50 | lynk | hey |
| 02:11.04 | lynk | something up with bzflag? it says bad token |
| 02:11.07 | lynk | when i try to identify |
| 02:11.33 | JeffM2501 | you using your fourm username and password in game? |
| 02:11.37 | lynk | aye |
| 02:11.46 | lynk | it went from working for months |
| 02:11.47 | JeffM2501 | you behind a proxy server? |
| 02:11.48 | lynk | to not working |
| 02:11.50 | lynk | nope |
| 02:12.01 | JeffM2501 | your ISP may have installed one upstream |
| 02:12.04 | JeffM2501 | what OS you on? |
| 02:12.04 | lynk | it was just working earlier today.. now says bad token |
| 02:12.12 | lynk | Linux gnome 2.6.18.2-34-default #1 SMP Mon Nov 27 11:46:27 UTC 2006 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux |
| 02:12.22 | JeffM2501 | can you log into the fourms normaly? |
| 02:12.24 | lynk | my isp wouldnt have installed a proxy |
| 02:12.34 | lynk | i rarely ever login to the forums |
| 02:12.47 | JeffM2501 | just try, to make sure that your password didn't get reset or something |
| 02:13.02 | JeffM2501 | if that works, then there is one more thing to try |
| 02:13.11 | blast007 | JeffM2501: I've had that a few times tonight as well |
| 02:13.28 | JeffM2501 | maybe the list is intermitent |
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| 02:55.03 | me1 | when you are using rainType "particle" in 2.1.x it tries to use red_super_bolt as a texture. Shouldn't it try to use skins/red/super_bolt |
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| 07:29.53 | jude- | hello all |
| 07:29.57 | jude- | brlcad: you have mail |
| 07:30.45 | purple_cow | hey jude- |
| 07:30.51 | jude- | hello purple_cow |
| 07:30.52 | purple_cow | I wonder if that'll ever get old... |
| 07:31.05 | jude- | I've been dealing with it all my life |
| 07:31.14 | jude- | I suppose I can put up with it a bit longer :) |
| 07:31.15 | purple_cow | hehe, I bet |
| 07:33.08 | jude- | so how goes the hacking? |
| 07:35.12 | jude- | (by "hacking," I speak in the classical sense of the word) |
| 07:35.28 | jude- | (as in, software development, not cyber crime) |
| 07:36.59 | purple_cow | I think you'll find that just about everybody in the free software world uses that meaning |
| 07:37.23 | jude- | I thought so |
| 07:37.45 | jude- | but not everyone on this channel are devs |
| 07:37.55 | jude- | not sure how they would take it :) |
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| 08:17.38 | Daveman | hey purple cow :p |
| 08:18.35 | purple_cow | why are you sticking your tongue out at me? |
| 08:20.46 | Daveman | Sorry |
| 08:21.14 | Daveman | force of habit? |
| 08:22.08 | purple_cow | heh |
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| 09:36.05 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r14013 10/branches/v2_0_cs_branch/bzflag/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Use TextureManager to get all the texture and use them |
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| 14:08.54 | robinlinth | Is this the official support channel of bzflag? |
| 14:09.12 | tannerld | yep |
| 14:09.44 | robinlinth | hmm.. on the Google Summer of Code page it says this game has an ENOURMOUS player base.. that amazes me. I mean, it's just a game, and kind of difficult to play oO |
| 14:12.02 | tannerld | Game play varies on different servers (some are very hard :D ) |
| 14:13.14 | robinlinth | Yeah, i got kicked out of some just by not knowing who my team mates are and i shot them.. |
| 14:13.50 | tannerld | Yeah it can be confusing at first |
| 14:14.55 | delusional | takes at least a month to be competent against players who've been playing awhile |
| 14:15.38 | tannerld | Depends how much your into it; I've been playing a long time and am happy to get a positive score :P |
| 14:16.05 | robinlinth | so what's the fun of bzflag? i never understood it... but i want to get into it |
| 14:16.18 | Winny | Very gameplay based |
| 14:16.34 | Winny | no story line to confuse you :D |
| 14:16.37 | robinlinth | all the keys and mouse buttons confuse me |
| 14:16.45 | robinlinth | i press a key and the whole interface changes |
| 14:16.48 | Winny | You can reset those, if you want |
| 14:17.03 | delusional | most players remap their key.. tab for jump is silly, if you ask me |
| 14:17.14 | Winny | options -> input settings -> change key maping |
| 14:17.21 | tannerld | By default, you can use the mouse to move (click to shoot) and tab to jump |
| 14:17.44 | Winny | ~lart tannerld |
| 14:17.44 | ibot | hits tannerld with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
| 14:17.51 | robinlinth | i'll remap them, then. How can i switch to this chat from bzflag? (on Linux) |
| 14:18.08 | Winny | as in minimize the window? |
| 14:18.13 | delusional | i like Z=fire X=jump and C=lock-on |
| 14:18.27 | delusional | minimize = F1 |
| 14:18.39 | Winny | uihh |
| 14:18.42 | Winny | delusional |
| 14:18.47 | Winny | its f4 for minimize |
| 14:18.52 | Winny | f1 is windowed mode |
| 14:19.17 | robinlinth | ok |
| 14:20.01 | robinlinth | how to remove the mouse focus? |
| 14:21.24 | robinlinth | Wow, bzflag is the most customizable game i've seen |
| 14:21.32 | tannerld | heh |
| 14:25.05 | Winny | robinlinth: come to bzf.bzflag.org port 5160, ill show you some tricks :) |
| 14:26.46 | robinlinth | alright :) |
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| 14:39.19 | robinlinth | oops |
| 14:39.23 | robinlinth | bzflag crashed |
| 14:58.59 | robinlinth | bzflag crashed again |
| 14:59.09 | robinlinth | delusional, where are you? |
| 14:59.28 | delusional | I'm here |
| 14:59.53 | robinlinth | delusional, are you the Optic delusion one? |
| 14:59.57 | delusional | i never did check your version, do you have version 2.0.8? |
| 15:00.02 | delusional | nyes |
| 15:00.49 | robinlinth | BZFlag client 2.0.8.20060629-MAINT-linux-gnu-SDL (protocol 0026) http://BZFlag.org/ |
| 15:00.51 | delusional | I also notice your email indicates you are on a LAN, maybe the LAN is rejecting traffic, or something |
| 15:02.17 | delusional | I can assure you, client crashes every five minutes are not the norm, but they do happen |
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| 15:04.37 | robinlinth | okay.. now bzflag crashed my entire computer |
| 15:04.41 | robinlinth | when it went searching for servers |
| 15:04.48 | Winny | check for new video card drivers |
| 15:05.09 | robinlinth | already have the newest. Using open source radeon drivers, am on Ubuntu |
| 15:05.31 | Winny | maybe try the closed source ones? :p |
| 15:05.43 | Winny | or the official ATI drivers |
| 15:05.48 | delusional | if you have 2.0.8, that should be stable |
| 15:07.12 | delusional | could be your local network, too. |
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| 15:07.36 | robinlinth | and again.. |
| 15:08.38 | robinlinth | when i joined the game in the MoFo server |
| 15:08.57 | delusional | try hepcat |
| 15:09.06 | delusional | pillbox server |
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| 15:09.28 | Winny | bbl |
| 15:11.11 | tannerld | what version of ubuntu? |
| 15:21.43 | robinlinth | Edgy Eft |
| 15:24.28 | robinlinth | whats pillbox? |
| 15:26.30 | delusional | pillbox is a game server style, no jumping, no flags |
| 15:26.39 | delusional | probbly best for beginners |
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| 15:28.44 | delusional | Hepcat runs pillbox,... however... some of the most accurate shooters play there, pillbox is good for developing your bullet dodging skills |
| 15:34.26 | robinlinth | alright |
| 15:35.41 | robinlinth | what server are you on delusional? |
| 15:36.52 | delusional | I'm making aa map right now, it's not on the list |
| 15:37.09 | delusional | but you can join at a-delusion.no-ip.org port 5157 |
| 15:40.00 | robinlinth | ok |
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| 16:11.57 | robinlinth | delusional, hi. :P |
| 16:12.13 | delusional | yeah.. that's the start of a new pinball map |
| 16:13.57 | delusional | try some pillbox, robinlinth |
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| 16:37.25 | menotume | she's down, she's waaaay down, and I can't fix it :( |
| 16:38.59 | donny_baker | list serve? |
| 16:40.13 | menotume | everything on httpd is slooooooow |
| 16:40.17 | JeffM2501 | can you ssh in? |
| 16:40.21 | menotume | yep |
| 16:40.28 | menotume | i killed mysql, apache |
| 16:40.33 | menotume | restarted, and same thing |
| 16:40.44 | menotume | apache seems 'overloaded' |
| 16:40.45 | tadd | I'm getting failures with authenticating users on my server. |
| 16:40.55 | tadd | File transfer terminated with error from libcurl 28 : Operation too slow. Less than 1024 bytes/sec transfered the last 10 seconds |
| 16:41.00 | menotume | i can try to disable bb |
| 16:41.03 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's having issues tad |
| 16:41.12 | JeffM2501 | what does a netstat show? |
| 16:41.39 | menotume | that's not the issue, i don't think |
| 16:41.39 | tadd | are you asking me? |
| 16:41.50 | menotume | top shows http and mysql eating everything up |
| 16:41.57 | JeffM2501 | not again |
| 16:42.31 | menotume | dunno what's doing it |
| 16:42.37 | menotume | i'm gonna try to diable bb |
| 16:42.42 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 16:42.46 | donny_baker | tadd: no they are trouble shooting on bzflag.bz |
| 16:42.52 | tadd | ok. great |
| 16:43.01 | rob1n | wait the list server is apache? |
| 16:43.15 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 16:43.18 | JeffM2501 | it's a php page |
| 16:43.22 | rob1n | O_o |
| 16:43.37 | rob1n | do you guys have eaccelerator or apc? |
| 16:43.46 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 16:44.02 | JeffM2501 | it's usualy not that bad of a CPU pig |
| 16:44.14 | JeffM2501 | it's not like we have a huge number of players :) |
| 16:44.50 | rob1n | true |
| 16:44.50 | rob1n | have you guys considered lighttpd? |
| 16:44.50 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 16:44.59 | rob1n | i hear it's a lot faster than apache |
| 16:45.04 | JeffM2501 | it can be |
| 16:45.19 | JeffM2501 | but realy http isn't the best way to do it |
| 16:45.37 | rob1n | nope |
| 16:45.50 | rob1n | that's why i was surprised when you said that the list server was a PHP file |
| 16:46.13 | menotume | is someone else playing ? |
| 16:46.42 | rob1n | i was |
| 16:46.45 | rob1n | but i couldn't get authed |
| 16:47.31 | menotume | heh |
| 16:47.40 | menotume | ok, it's not bb, reanabled |
| 16:48.45 | donny_baker | not wiki either.... that went down with the bb |
| 16:49.28 | menotume | not league site |
| 16:49.28 | menotume | moust just be apache/mysql |
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| 16:52.34 | menotume | seems everything works except auth, just very slow |
| 16:54.37 | menotume | anyone know how i get a status of httpd tasks, what they are doing ? |
| 16:55.12 | donny_baker | can we stop and therd the apache daemon? or will that cause issues for the other things on the server |
| 16:55.55 | menotume | already did |
| 16:56.01 | menotume | several times |
| 16:56.02 | donny_baker | ah |
| 16:56.22 | menotume | i suspect a webpage, need to find which one(s) |
| 16:56.23 | donny_baker | wasn't sure, i was told to stay away from that stuff :) |
| 16:56.58 | Daveman | Hi menotume |
| 17:01.54 | [dmp] | menotume: mod_status is handy to get an overview of what apache is doing |
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| 17:18.38 | menotume | hellos tupy |
| 17:19.13 | menotume | ok, i didn't do anything to fix it, and it's good now :( |
| 17:20.07 | menotume | just as i got mod_status to work for me |
| 17:20.15 | menotume | ~[dmp]++ |
| 17:28.42 | JeffM2501 | it happens |
| 17:31.13 | tupone | hi menotume |
| 17:32.59 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r14014 10/branches/v2_0_cs_branch/bzflag/data/ (materials.hi.xml materials.lo.xml materials.mid.xml): Removed texture and materials generated dynamically from TextureManager |
| 17:36.03 | JeffM2501 | how's it going tupone? |
| 17:36.09 | JeffM2501 | seems like your making good progress |
| 17:36.26 | tupone | well, to gain speed I had to remove renderloop |
| 17:36.34 | tupone | and so shadow |
| 17:36.54 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure there will be lots of tweaks to get speed |
| 17:37.34 | tupone | I have now one face of the viper that is rendered counterclockwise. I have to know why |
| 17:37.53 | JeffM2501 | maybe it's part of a strip or a fan |
| 17:38.26 | tupone | well, but then al the strip should have been transparent :/ |
| 17:38.49 | tupone | have to see what is, and then I can think of it |
| 17:39.16 | JeffM2501 | well I'm glad to see you make progress, your puting a lot of good work into it |
| 17:39.33 | tupone | next non default material should be processed |
| 17:40.15 | tupone | your looking at the content of my commit? Thanks :) Hope you find what is not good then and say |
| 17:40.37 | JeffM2501 | I run it and see how it goes every so often |
| 17:40.46 | JeffM2501 | I'm not looking at the code |
| 17:41.47 | tupone | hmm, so how do you know I'mputting good work on it. Maybe bad :) |
| 17:42.01 | JeffM2501 | a good amount of work :) |
| 17:42.24 | JeffM2501 | and bad code is better then no code |
| 17:43.01 | tupone | I do not agree on that blindly |
| 17:43.07 | JeffM2501 | blindly no |
| 17:43.20 | JeffM2501 | but in this case, it is code that can be tweaked |
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| 17:44.53 | JeffM2501 | anyone know who "diing for the team" is? |
| 17:45.38 | Winny | a moron? |
| 17:46.01 | Winny | other then that, nope |
| 17:49.07 | romeo | lol |
| 17:49.11 | romeo | no code over bad code any day |
| 17:49.34 | JeffM2501 | depends how bad it is |
| 17:49.40 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure his code will be functonal |
| 17:49.40 | romeo | aye |
| 17:49.45 | JeffM2501 | it may not be optimal |
| 17:50.06 | JeffM2501 | functional code can be cleaned up a lot easier then making it from scratch ;) |
| 17:50.41 | romeo | its been almost a year since last release |
| 17:50.45 | romeo | hope new one comes out soon |
| 17:50.47 | JeffM2501 | yup |
| 17:50.56 | romeo | whats svn look like? |
| 17:51.05 | JeffM2501 | I'm guessing by summerish we'll push something out |
| 17:51.16 | JeffM2501 | it may not have full server side state, but we can push it out |
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| 18:52.30 | a_meteorite | donny_baker: And don't talk to me either. |
| 18:52.58 | Winny | aww, is muffin mad? |
| 18:53.40 | a_meteorite | ~donny_baker-- |
| 18:53.55 | Winny | ~donny_baker++ |
| 18:58.58 | Daveman | brlcad you around? :) |
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| 20:36.53 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r14015 10/branches/v2_0_cs_branch/bzflag/src/geometry/ (4 files): More warning when not getting material. Fixed bad culling of PolyScene |
| 20:54.05 | tupone | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Image:Crystal002.jpg - faster but no shadow. Sky is black :) and material are still basic |
| 20:56.17 | a_meteorite | I just wish I could build crystalspace |
| 20:56.42 | a_meteorite | tupone: the tanks look smaller or is it just me? |
| 21:01.07 | tupone | they are about 4 times smaller |
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| 21:01.17 | tupone | Is a thing to fix |
| 21:01.18 | a_meteorite | hehe |
| 21:01.56 | a_meteorite | but it looks like progress, that's for sure |
| 21:03.03 | tupone | very slowly and progress will stop next week :( |
| 21:03.11 | a_meteorite | vacation? |
| 21:03.23 | tupone | work abroad |
| 21:03.26 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 21:12.59 | Epyon | Can the floor texture be changed? |
| 21:13.21 | Epyon | Can the floor texture be changed depending on place? |
| 21:16.17 | a_meteorite | You could overlay a meshbox on the ground and texture it. |
| 21:16.22 | a_meteorite | And then have different meshbox's in different places |
| 21:18.18 | Epyon | Aaah, I know. But that feels like an ugly hack :| |
| 21:18.37 | Epyon | Or not... |
| 21:18.57 | Epyon | BTW, any chance of a skybox and mountains textures upgrade? :> |
| 21:19.07 | a_meteorite | it's in 2.1 |
| 21:19.15 | Epyon | Great :) |
| 21:19.54 | Epyon | Any other advancements that I should know about? |
| 21:20.10 | a_meteorite | a new flag |
| 21:20.13 | a_meteorite | low gravity |
| 21:20.31 | Epyon | Nice. I guess it raises jump height? |
| 21:20.35 | a_meteorite | yes |
| 21:20.54 | Epyon | Aaah, "astral plane" map xD |
| 21:35.40 | ts | Epyon: the new flag is one of the less important changes |
| 21:37.40 | ts | More important is the changed way shots work, server side flag identifying, server side pausing control, kicks for packetloss and jitter, API enhancements, better graphics and several new server side checks |
| 21:38.14 | a_meteorite | but those aren't really mapmaking related things |
| 21:40.31 | ts | some are |
| 21:41.02 | ts | e.g. you can savely put identify flag on map again |
| 21:41.10 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 21:41.25 | BearPerson | ah, the flags stuff |
| 21:41.36 | ts | some checks are deactivated, depending on the map |
| 21:41.50 | a_meteorite | does the server only tell them the flags next to them if they get ID? |
| 21:41.57 | blast007 | yeah |
| 21:42.01 | a_meteorite | that's good |
| 21:42.03 | BearPerson | I remember a proof-of-concept patch I wrote once that made you able to do the "always identify flags" cheat even on servers without an ID flag |
| 21:42.11 | a_meteorite | :P |
| 21:42.15 | BearPerson | or any other cheat that told you where what flags were |
| 21:42.29 | blast007 | BearPerson: that would have only worked in earlier versions |
| 21:42.31 | ts | yep, bdotson cheated with it and spread it |
| 21:43.22 | BearPerson | you mean the patch that nowadays the server just doesn't tell you what type a flag has unless someone is carrying it? |
| 21:43.25 | a_meteorite | it appears the client isn't on his site now |
| 21:43.29 | BearPerson | easily circumvented |
| 21:43.35 | BearPerson | (that was the point of my patch) |
| 21:44.49 | BearPerson | my suggestion to fix it was to have a few reserve flags (not on the map) that got randomly put on the map instead of a flag that disappeared, and putting the disappeared flag into the reserve supply (as opposed to the mechanism "respawn the flag that disappeared") |
| 21:44.56 | BearPerson | that should tell you enough to know that I did |
| 21:45.07 | ts | 2.1 has various problems so it is not ready for prime time |
| 21:45.53 | BearPerson | s/that/what/ |
| 21:46.15 | Daveman | Hey Karsten :) |
| 21:46.26 | BearPerson | hello |
| 21:46.28 | Daveman | long time no see |
| 21:47.19 | BearPerson | too long for me, I guess 8) |
| 21:47.30 | Daveman | heh |
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| 21:52.13 | tupone | BearPerson, what you said about flags has been discussed, and even found a solution. Actually very similar to yours, i fnot the same. Not fond anyoone to code it |
| 21:52.34 | BearPerson | it wouldn't be that hard, I think |
| 21:52.44 | BearPerson | hmm |
| 21:53.48 | BearPerson | tell you what, I got a 1 hour train ride tomorrow... I'm not sure if I'm awake early enough to grab a cvs checkout to my lappy before I leave, but if I do, I might as well hack that up on the trip, assuming I can grok the code quickly enough |
| 21:54.22 | tupone | cvs checkout? |
| 21:54.42 | BearPerson | or whatever you keep stuff in nowadays |
| 21:54.48 | tupone | svn |
| 21:54.58 | BearPerson | I assume I should work on 2.0 for now? |
| 21:55.31 | tupone | if that is compatible yeah, if not 2.1 |
| 21:56.21 | BearPerson | (as a side-effect, this avoids the situation where people spend all their time on half-empty maps grabbing superflags, using them up, and then eagle-eyeing where they respawn) |
| 21:57.46 | BearPerson | which some people would call a bad thing, but I think it's generally a beneficial effect) |
| 21:59.04 | tupone | I suppose your solution will work only if there are enough spare flags |
| 22:00.15 | trepan | tupone: i actually coded 'flag pools' a while ago |
| 22:00.43 | BearPerson | well, even one spare flag would at least confuse my cheap see-flag-types-anyway patch enough that it wouldn't work anymore |
| 22:00.46 | trepan | you could also add/delete flags at run-time |
| 22:00.53 | trepan | even released a patch, iirc |
| 22:01.27 | tupone | ahh, someone should pick up it, then |
| 22:03.48 | Winny | ~lart spammers |
| 22:03.48 | ibot | installs PocketPC on spammers's PDA |
| 22:04.00 | Daveman | eek |
| 22:15.39 | Think_Differentl | ~lart Steve Jobs |
| 22:15.39 | ibot | does a little 'dpkg -P Steve Jobs' action |
| 22:16.10 | Winny | hehe |
| 22:16.18 | Winny | ibot_: hug |
| 22:16.29 | a_meteorite | Steve Jobs is the good guy... |
| 22:16.51 | a_meteorite | What sort of person are you to get pleasure out of larting the good guys?! Huh?! O_o |
| 22:31.25 | blast007 | a_meteorite: duh, he's the BAD guy! |
| 22:31.38 | ruskie | yeah |
| 22:31.48 | blast007 | that's who would get pleasure out of that ;) |
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| 22:55.27 | tannerld | does mute mute pms? |
| 22:55.50 | donny_baker | yes |
| 22:56.23 | donny_baker | i beleive the only thing they can do is send admin messages IIRC |
| 22:57.49 | tannerld | thanks |
| 22:58.21 | Winny | ~lart tannerld |
| 22:58.21 | ibot | readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at tannerld |
| 22:58.42 | tannerld | missed |
| 22:58.42 | donny_baker | ~bury Winny |
| 22:58.53 | ibot | ibot dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on Winny |
| 22:59.00 | Winny | yay |
| 22:59.02 | Winny | a fort! |
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