| 00:00.01 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, yeah but I want one that only editable by devs |
| 00:00.09 | brlcad | there's an option for that |
| 00:00.20 | JeffM2501 | since they won't let me make a new status |
| 00:00.22 | brlcad | s/editable/visible/ even |
| 00:00.32 | JeffM2501 | but I want it visable to all |
| 00:01.38 | brlcad | that's doable too |
| 00:01.51 | brlcad | there are perm levels in the admin panel that would need to be set |
| 00:01.54 | TimRiker | brlcad: thx |
| 00:02.09 | JeffM2501 | ok, I'll look for it, thanks |
| 00:02.41 | brlcad | JeffM2501: the tasker still kinda sucks, trackers are easier to use |
| 00:02.53 | brlcad | but the tasker does allow you to describe dependencies, which trackers do not |
| 00:03.03 | brlcad | and multiple assignments, etc |
| 00:03.09 | JeffM2501 | can we move stuff from trackers to tasks? |
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| 00:03.41 | brlcad | er, not that I know of -- separate systems |
| 00:03.47 | brlcad | different data |
| 00:04.15 | JeffM2501 | yeah what I want is users to add bugs/RFCs, we review, then asign them to a todo, devs say they will do them, etc.. |
| 00:04.18 | JeffM2501 | naw |
| 00:04.26 | JeffM2501 | just to get rid of the flatfile todo |
| 00:04.35 | JeffM2501 | and a way to say somone wanted to do something |
| 00:04.43 | JeffM2501 | so others know somone is wanting to do it |
| 00:04.46 | JeffM2501 | no assignments |
| 00:04.57 | brlcad | erhm, any particular motivation to get rid of the text file? |
| 00:05.03 | brlcad | solves some problem? :) |
| 00:05.17 | JeffM2501 | harder to add more data into the flatfile |
| 00:05.30 | brlcad | yep, it's a tradeoff |
| 00:05.33 | JeffM2501 | I did add more data to the flatfile, and got told it sucked, and that we should just go to a database if we want to add more data |
| 00:05.43 | JeffM2501 | so now I'm going for a database ( the one we have ) |
| 00:05.54 | brlcad | flexibility/trackability with ease of use |
| 00:05.57 | JeffM2501 | yes, the problem is I wand to add more info for each todo item |
| 00:06.05 | JeffM2501 | I am open to solutions |
| 00:06.07 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 00:06.19 | brlcad | there's not really a good solution without using both |
| 00:06.29 | brlcad | nothing is easier than editing a text file |
| 00:06.31 | JeffM2501 | that's why I asked here |
| 00:06.33 | Daveman | Hi brlcad :) |
| 00:06.43 | JeffM2501 | tim said he was cool going with one OR the other |
| 00:06.44 | Daveman | man, this plugin is going to be hot |
| 00:06.45 | brlcad | yet a text file fundamentally has no form |
| 00:06.56 | brlcad | Daveman: sweet |
| 00:07.05 | JeffM2501 | I ain't jumpin no bounds on this one, been asking :) |
| 00:07.17 | Daveman | :) |
| 00:07.22 | Daveman | Oh! |
| 00:07.28 | Daveman | While I'm here for a minute... |
| 00:07.47 | brlcad | i know ... just noting, I deal with this same problem with brl-cad where tracking and task management is a huge issue |
| 00:07.52 | Daveman | Did someone mention that BZF could use a graphic designer or have some design work done on it? |
| 00:08.14 | brlcad | Daveman: always |
| 00:08.40 | JeffM2501 | does SF have a way to import tracker items from a file? |
| 00:08.53 | brlcad | JeffM2501: my general gut feeling is let the text file be what it is, but then migrate the important/bigger tasks to a tracker as needed |
| 00:08.58 | Daveman | okedokey |
| 00:08.59 | brlcad | same with bugs |
| 00:09.00 | Daveman | anything specific? |
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| 00:09.17 | JeffM2501 | well I had it as an HTML and Erroneous hated it ;) |
| 00:09.27 | brlcad | the bugs file is a quick sketchpad of emphemeral issues .. whereas the tracker is best when the issue warrants the overhead |
| 00:09.42 | brlcad | yeah, that'd suck :) |
| 00:10.07 | JeffM2501 | so maybe reformat the text a bit |
| 00:10.09 | JeffM2501 | I can work that up |
| 00:10.40 | brlcad | could stub a basic template into the text file that people can copy/fill-out |
| 00:10.48 | JeffM2501 | that's what I'm thinking |
| 00:11.27 | brlcad | there is no bulk load to sf trackers afaik too :) |
| 00:11.35 | JeffM2501 | that does suck |
| 00:12.16 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14022 10/trunk/bzflag/TODO: some new items and a smidge more data, to be formated better. |
| 00:13.09 | Daveman | yay templates |
| 00:13.12 | JeffM2501 | the trackers have a lot of nice data, I wish they were used more |
| 00:13.25 | brlcad | if we *really* wanted to get intense on tracking and tasking, we'd probably be better off setting up trak |
| 00:13.32 | JeffM2501 | or if I could add a status |
| 00:13.38 | brlcad | e.g. http://dev.haiku-os.org/query |
| 00:13.39 | JeffM2501 | of "TODO" |
| 00:14.10 | JeffM2501 | the todo is nice cus it's a list people can pull from |
| 00:14.12 | brlcad | they provide all that customization in Sourceforge Enterprise |
| 00:14.30 | brlcad | we could actually buy that with gsoc funds probably |
| 00:14.34 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 00:14.38 | JeffM2501 | or just use trak? :) |
| 00:14.43 | brlcad | :) |
| 00:14.45 | JeffM2501 | I assume it's free |
| 00:14.48 | brlcad | yeah |
| 00:15.10 | brlcad | drupal with integrated wiki and trak |
| 00:15.24 | JeffM2501 | google dos't do file releases do they? |
| 00:15.42 | brlcad | hum? |
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| 00:16.57 | JeffM2501 | on there google projects thing |
| 00:18.07 | Daveman | huhu |
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| 00:30.57 | Constitution | looks like a good set of GSoC projects... looking forward to seeing the results :-) |
| 00:32.09 | brlcad | should be a good and capable crew to implement good stuff |
| 00:42.49 | spldart | what package in deb etch get's me the missing gl.h I'm missing to build cvs 2.1 bz? |
| 00:42.51 | abarbu | I'm curious to see which the selected SoC projects are (I'm one of the applicants) |
| 00:43.04 | abarbu | Seems that google is having some type of email-sending related difficulty |
| 00:43.14 | jwir3 | again this year? |
| 00:43.15 | jwir3 | lol |
| 00:44.26 | abarbu | Yeah; I'm quite surprised |
| 00:47.07 | Constitution | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code#Program_Evaluation |
| 00:54.55 | abarbu | Aww, I didn't get in |
| 00:55.07 | jwir3 | sorry abarbu |
| 00:55.45 | abarbu | Any reason why not? (just curious for the future) |
| 00:59.09 | brlcad | abarbu: there will be comments and critiques posted soon |
| 00:59.30 | abarbu | Ah, just from bzflag or from all projects? |
| 00:59.34 | Constitution | good... looking forward to seeing that. |
| 00:59.36 | brlcad | bzflag |
| 00:59.50 | abarbu | (the whole keeping the process secret from students that google is using surprises me, I'd think they'd be more open about it) |
| 00:59.59 | brlcad | maybe even a summary posted to the wiki, hadn't decided |
| 01:00.22 | abarbu | Awesome, thanks; I'll make sure to read it over |
| 01:00.45 | brlcad | abarbu: ermm.. with yours |
| 01:00.54 | brlcad | there was no problems with it :) |
| 01:01.12 | brlcad | you were selected by a different org |
| 01:01.18 | brlcad | afaik |
| 01:01.31 | brlcad | apologies if I mis-speak! |
| 01:01.41 | abarbu | Yey, that adds hope :) thanks |
| 01:01.46 | jwir3 | well, so don't worry yet, abarbu! |
| 01:01.47 | jwir3 | :D |
| 01:02.27 | abarbu | Heh, hard not to think about it |
| 01:02.37 | brlcad | there were about 6 negotiations with other orgs .. most of them involved the student or comments |
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| 01:02.59 | abarbu | Ah, that's quite a lot |
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| 01:25.27 | DTRemenak | brlcad: if you want me to speak on other channels when I'm at work, you have to tell Erroneous, not me :) |
| 01:25.44 | JeffM2501 | I told him to ask that name ;) |
| 01:27.24 | brlcad | lies! all lies |
| 01:34.53 | JeffM2501 | and I gave him an update when he was eatin his sammich |
| 01:35.05 | DTRemenak | indeed |
| 01:35.50 | JeffM2501 | they announce yet? |
| 01:36.41 | DTRemenak | yay, with proper whitespace |
| 01:36.53 | JeffM2501 | we need t shirts that say "developers do it themselves" |
| 01:41.21 | blast007 | :) |
| 01:43.27 | brlcad | DTRemenak: true, though that wasn't at all my reasoning personally |
| 01:43.49 | DTRemenak | brlcad: I know, there were other good points |
| 01:43.51 | brlcad | it's not meant to supplant our basic needs and/or developments |
| 01:43.57 | DTRemenak | which is why I said I was ok with our final selections |
| 01:44.03 | brlcad | even if they are issues that drag on |
| 01:44.25 | DTRemenak | brlcad: just because they're basic needs doesn't mean they can't be met by a project like that |
| 01:44.32 | brlcad | sure |
| 01:44.46 | brlcad | but comparative impact wasn't there imo |
| 01:45.04 | brlcad | i mean, you do it right.. a nobody really knows you did much at all :) |
| 01:45.24 | brlcad | cept from decreased negative in that area |
| 01:45.28 | DTRemenak | except that they notice people don't complain about it anymore :) |
| 01:47.23 | DTRemenak | and a postmortem on a project like that could have some serious academic interest |
| 01:48.05 | DTRemenak | but hey, I'm happy |
| 01:49.06 | JeffM2501 | 4 is better then 0 |
| 01:49.12 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 01:50.14 | DTRemenak | Daveman: why let it impend? If you'd been watching the channel carefully you should have seen http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code#Program_Evaluation go by a few times |
| 01:50.59 | Constitution | maybe update the topic too, just to ensure that there's no confusion? |
| 01:51.21 | *** topic/#bzflag by DTRemenak -> http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/wiki/index.php/Getting_Help || http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9453 || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || http://fisheye1.cenqua.com/browse/bzflag/bzflag || New WIKI! http://my.bzflag.org/w/ || Migrated from CVS to SVN: http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN || GSoC 4 slots: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code#Program_Evaluation |
| 01:54.46 | JeffM2501 | congats to those that were accepted, it was REALY hard to narrow them down |
| 01:55.28 | Daveman | haha, not really. |
| 01:55.38 | DTRemenak | yeah really |
| 01:55.38 | JeffM2501 | no realy it was |
| 01:55.45 | JeffM2501 | we had many long discussions |
| 01:55.54 | JeffM2501 | and didn't get down to the finals till this afternoon |
| 01:56.48 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 01:56.55 | DTRemenak | we'd have to find 15 mentors.... :) |
| 01:57.18 | Constitution | oh, is it limited to one student per mentor? |
| 01:57.19 | JeffM2501 | I think we could |
| 01:57.27 | JeffM2501 | no, but it's recomended |
| 01:57.32 | JeffM2501 | we found 10 prety easy |
| 01:57.33 | DTRemenak | Constitution: no, but more gets to be a pain |
| 01:57.42 | Constitution | I see |
| 01:58.13 | JeffM2501 | 4 was hard |
| 01:58.20 | JeffM2501 | 6 would have been a very sweet spot |
| 01:58.27 | JeffM2501 | 10 would have been awesome |
| 01:58.57 | CBG | ∞ would have been best. |
| 01:59.05 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 01:59.37 | CBG | "Hey, wanna earn some cash? write some code if you want. whatever. it's all good." |
| 01:59.42 | DTRemenak | ∞ ~= 15 :) |
| 02:00.36 | purple_cow | I think it's theoretically recommended to have 0.5 students per mentor |
| 02:00.46 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 02:01.10 | JeffM2501 | makes sense |
| 02:01.35 | DTRemenak | with a decent mentor pool (like, say, #bzflag), individual mentors are less important though |
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| 02:09.39 | brlcad | yup |
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| 02:11.18 | CBG | nah |
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| 02:22.06 | JeffM2501 | they still haven't updated there actual page yet have they? |
| 02:23.07 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 02:23.41 | brlcad | hm? |
| 02:23.46 | JeffM2501 | google |
| 02:23.49 | brlcad | they have if you're referring to the announcements |
| 02:23.59 | brlcad | all acceptances are posted |
| 02:24.00 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 02:24.07 | brlcad | http://code.google.com/soc/bzflag/about.html |
| 02:24.15 | DTRemenak | their main page still says "We'll announce accepted student proposals here on Wednesday, April 11, 2007." |
| 02:24.27 | brlcad | ah, just crappy wording |
| 02:24.39 | JeffM2501 | "We are no longer accepting student applications for Google Summer of Code 2007. We'll announce accepted student proposals here on Wednesday, April 11, 2007." |
| 02:24.44 | brlcad | they had a hell of a time getting their fscked up web app to work right |
| 02:24.52 | DTRemenak | so did everyone else ;) |
| 02:25.25 | brlcad | it is rather rubbish |
| 02:25.51 | brlcad | i have a little mini rant in their request tracker about the abundanced of not-invented-here going on |
| 02:25.53 | DTRemenak | yeah, felt like a "hey lets see if we can do some of this automatically" "how much time we got?" "a week" |
| 02:26.02 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 02:26.33 | DTRemenak | heh, "(slotted)" |
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| 03:06.22 | Hannibal | yeah, its there. |
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| 03:40.03 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r14023 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (4 files): |
| 03:40.03 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: Servers advertising to EVERYONE or VERIFIED should allow (spawn || talk) for those groups. Try to deal with this by intelligently reducing the advertised groups. |
| 03:40.03 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: Caveat Curator - totally untested |
| 03:40.14 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: see, I did it :P |
| 03:40.32 | JeffM2501 | heh cool] |
| 03:40.51 | DTRemenak | no clue if it works though |
| 03:40.58 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 03:42.05 | DTRemenak | and that should read "non-replay servers" |
| 03:42.36 | DTRemenak | whenever someone gets around to implementing grouping on the server list, replay servers need their own group |
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| 03:47.16 | DTRemenak | and if I write too much more code like that my ":" key is going to die an early death |
| 03:47.47 | DTRemenak | yay stl |
| 03:48.52 | JeffM2501 | heh |
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| 03:56.17 | Daveman | :D |
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| 04:07.09 | delusional | aww jeez, I've developed a secondary complication of n-disease |
| 04:07.42 | delusional | I hit F1 to minimize any application's window |
| 04:10.03 | blast007 | delusional: F4 is minimize in bz |
| 04:10.12 | blast007 | F1 is window<->fullscreen |
| 04:10.14 | delusional | semantics |
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| 04:23.31 | jude- | hello all |
| 04:23.38 | DTRemenak | howdy jude- |
| 04:24.07 | jude- | I look forward to developing for this project this summer |
| 04:24.11 | DTRemenak | and congrats |
| 04:24.15 | DTRemenak | cool :) |
| 04:24.15 | jude- | thanks :) |
| 04:24.52 | jude- | thank you purple_cow for choosing to be my mentor |
| 04:25.07 | jude- | so, when do you need the milestone list? |
| 04:26.37 | brlcad | plenty of time .. more details to follow |
| 04:26.43 | jude- | kk |
| 04:26.49 | brlcad | before it officially "starts" |
| 04:26.56 | jude- | kk |
| 04:27.13 | brlcad | as part of whichever reporting means we set up/use |
| 04:29.19 | DTRemenak | jude-: prior to may 28, but not yet :) |
| 04:29.28 | jude- | kk |
| 04:29.58 | jude- | I'll watch the wiki |
| 04:32.53 | brlcad | and/or just hang out here, it'll usually be said here in the channel first |
| 04:33.06 | jude- | sure thing |
| 04:35.54 | Daveman | kk omg zergrush! |
| 04:38.48 | DTRemenak | wow randomness |
| 04:39.09 | jude- | "zergrush?" |
| 04:39.49 | DTRemenak | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zerg_rush |
| 04:40.35 | jude- | ah |
| 04:40.42 | jude- | StarCraft |
| 04:40.46 | jude- | fun game :) |
| 04:40.52 | jude- | tho I prefer Terran |
| 04:42.31 | DTRemenak | naw, not really necessary...just look at JeffM2501! :) |
| 04:43.52 | jude- | haha tis true |
| 04:43.56 | SIGFAIL | YOU MUST CONSTRUCT ADDITIONAL PYLONS! |
| 04:44.24 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 04:44.50 | jude- | use a cheat code |
| 04:45.52 | DTRemenak | "Your thoughts betray you" |
| 04:46.06 | DTRemenak | "The merging is complete!" |
| 04:46.39 | jude- | "Gimme somthin to shoot!" |
| 04:46.58 | DTRemenak | commencing |
| 04:47.50 | jude- | "Battle cruiser operational" |
| 04:48.04 | jude- | "Research on the Yamoto Cannon is complete!" |
| 04:48.10 | DTRemenak | "Darkness overpowering!" |
| 04:48.34 | jude- | "Are you trying to get invited to my next BBQ?" |
| 04:49.05 | purple_cow | *ahem* |
| 04:49.13 | jude- | hello purple_cow |
| 04:49.14 | blast007 | "Hello, it's a me Mario" |
| 04:49.18 | blast007 | whoops, wrong game |
| 04:49.19 | jude- | thanks for mentoring me :) |
| 04:49.47 | jude- | I'm REALLY looking forward to it! |
| 04:49.58 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 04:49.58 | SIGFAIL | haha |
| 04:50.00 | DTRemenak | what are you doing now? |
| 04:50.58 | DTRemenak | ah, lovely |
| 04:51.02 | jude- | quite |
| 04:51.06 | DTRemenak | "flip bits, not burgers" applies well, eh? :) |
| 04:51.13 | jude- | indeed |
| 04:51.42 | jude- | the only reason I'd consider staying employed is to stay on the payroll in case I can't be a lab TA next semester |
| 04:52.22 | jude- | However, to clarify, I'm devoting 40+ hours a week to GSoC |
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| 04:53.06 | DTRemenak | we don't question your devotion :) you clearly put a lot of time into your application |
| 04:53.06 | jude- | most likely more--more like every waking minute of my life this summer |
| 04:53.17 | jude- | aww thanks |
| 04:54.42 | SIGFAIL | Burn the unbelievers! |
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| 04:56.01 | jude- | define "unbeliever" |
| 04:56.39 | DTRemenak | "one who does not believe" |
| 04:56.49 | jude- | believe...in what? |
| 04:57.01 | DTRemenak | in whatever they disbelieve |
| 04:57.16 | jude- | makes sense to me :) |
| 04:57.39 | DTRemenak | in that sense, I suppose we're all ubelievers |
| 04:57.46 | DTRemenak | with an n even |
| 04:58.03 | jude- | hehe |
| 04:58.50 | jude- | Anyway, thank you again for accepting my proposal; I will do my very best for this project this summer. |
| 04:58.59 | jude- | I must go now, as I have a LOT of math homework |
| 04:59.09 | jude- | due in less than 12 hours no less ;) |
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| 05:15.04 | L4m3r | unfortunately I have missed most of the festivities :) |
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| 05:45.12 | Noodleman | google maps, directions from new york to paris, line 23, i lol'd |
| 05:45.46 | a_temp_dist | take you water-wings |
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| 06:25.30 | ts | ~x de en jude |
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| 07:53.51 | ts | ~bzflist |
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| 12:15.58 | Epyon | Hellp everybody :) |
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| 12:18.45 | donny_baker | what are we hellping with? ;) |
| 12:19.00 | donny_baker | Epyon: hi :D |
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| 12:24.48 | Epyon | :) |
| 12:33.36 | Dessy | hi :) |
| 12:33.36 | benfish | ;o |
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| 13:13.11 | TheRedBaron | RatOmeter: should be RatBeGone ;) |
| 13:14.31 | RatOmeter | and you should have been on badgerking earlier this morning so I could have sic'd my rats on your red and Bare'n |
| 13:14.55 | RatOmeter | :) |
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| 13:59.07 | randomparticle | sockets.. |
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| 14:02.22 | TheRedBaron | cpu sockets? |
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| 14:23.50 | Epyon | randomparticle, yep, all those with + and @ :P |
| 14:38.48 | delusional | ~ask |
| 14:38.57 | ibot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily. |
| 14:38.59 | benfish | ;o |
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| 16:44.02 | JeffM2501 | how does one make a new template on the wiki? |
| 16:45.33 | donny_baker | go to the http://my.bzflag.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=&namespace=10 |
| 16:45.44 | donny_baker | and look at some of them |
| 16:46.06 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: in short, create an article in the Template namespace |
| 16:46.08 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 16:46.11 | JeffM2501 | kk |
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| 16:46.22 | donny_baker | to add a new one got to my.bzflag.org/w/Template:<your template name> |
| 16:46.23 | JeffM2501 | got any good art for design document? |
| 16:46.36 | donny_baker | saturos ;) |
| 16:46.48 | donny_baker | i was thinking of a blueprint |
| 16:46.55 | donny_baker | havent looked for one yet |
| 16:46.58 | JeffM2501 | he dosn't seem to be awake |
| 16:47.16 | donny_baker | I usualy add the art after the fact |
| 16:47.20 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 16:47.21 | Erroneous | parameters can be interpreted in templates with {{{1}}}, etc |
| 16:47.27 | donny_baker | ill look if things slow down here |
| 16:47.57 | Erroneous | so you can pass things like {{delete|because it sucks}} and template:delete will subst "because it sucks" anywhere it finds {{{1}}} |
| 16:48.18 | Erroneous | <noinclude> will let you put stuff you don't want to be in the template on the template page |
| 16:48.45 | Erroneous | <includeonly> will let you put stuff only on the included template, and not on the actual template page (mostly good for templatized categorizing) |
| 16:49.04 | donny_baker | see UserArt for an example of it |
| 16:49.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah I did |
| 16:49.23 | donny_baker | meeting in 10... bbl |
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| 17:06.09 | sussi | for everyone te website is up now http://german-open-tournament.de/ |
| 17:06.31 | sussi | th eplan is to play the tourney in May |
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| 17:31.02 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14024 10/trunk/bzflag/TODO: add group management system with link to design doc on wiki (http://my.bzflag.org/w/Group_Management_System) |
| 17:32.49 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, that should say all that we talked about for the group stuff. |
| 17:34.51 | JeffM2501 | of course any other comments and ideas on it from anyone else would be appricated, specialy server owners that use groups. |
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| 17:54.12 | JeffM2501 | I think I got the basics didn't I? |
| 18:00.05 | JeffM2501 | now to just get some web person to implement it :) |
| 18:00.14 | blast007 | *cough* what? |
| 18:00.23 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Group_Management_System |
| 18:01.02 | JeffM2501 | a cleaner way to do groups |
| 18:01.07 | JeffM2501 | that's not tied to the bzbb |
| 18:01.15 | blast007 | hmm, and what of LDAP stuff? |
| 18:01.22 | blast007 | has there been any more talk of that? |
| 18:01.24 | JeffM2501 | it can work with ldap |
| 18:01.26 | JeffM2501 | I don't know |
| 18:01.34 | JeffM2501 | I think we wanted to wait and see what we got for SoC |
| 18:01.48 | blast007 | I know that one guy was working on some LDAP stuff |
| 18:02.01 | JeffM2501 | no auth deamon people were accepted |
| 18:02.16 | blast007 | not related to GSoC |
| 18:02.18 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 18:02.32 | TheRedBaron | i think it was longdon |
| 18:02.45 | JeffM2501 | sounds like a perfect candidate for another wiki design document :) |
| 18:03.07 | blast007 | LongDon |
| 18:03.08 | blast007 | yeah |
| 18:06.19 | JeffM2501 | yay saturos is awake, /me tries to get him to make a blueprint of a tank :) |
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| 18:41.28 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: blueprint? |
| 18:41.35 | Erroneous | looking to go into tank manufacturing? :) |
| 18:54.31 | brlcad | JeffM2501: bzauthd is already in the wiki |
| 18:54.38 | brlcad | albeit mostly an unreviewed stubb |
| 18:54.53 | brlcad | and know it has a few things not right |
| 18:55.03 | brlcad | but some initial details |
| 19:00.32 | CBG` | tannerld: saw the post on bzbb about that duck-under-laser-world-weapons map you're hosting at norang? |
| 19:00.46 | tannerld | yep |
| 19:00.48 | tannerld | he PMed me |
| 19:00.49 | CBG` | k :) |
| 19:01.05 | CBG` | yep, I saw it was you on the norang site, so suggested he do so |
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| 19:01.19 | tannerld | :) |
| 19:01.55 | CBG` | omg |
| 19:02.10 | Winny | err, CBG` |
| 19:02.20 | tannerld | lol |
| 19:02.23 | CBG` | :) |
| 19:02.37 | Epyon | Erroneous is DTRemenak? :| |
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| 19:02.47 | CBG` | yah |
| 19:02.49 | Erroneous | Epyon: heh |
| 19:02.54 | Erroneous | Epyon: and congrats |
| 19:03.08 | Winny | hehe |
| 19:03.08 | Epyon | Erroneous, thank you :) |
| 19:03.11 | Winny | took my a while too :p |
| 19:03.26 | Epyon | Erroneous, seema as you are my mentor, right? :> |
| 19:03.52 | Erroneous | Epyon: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code - the mentors section has me listed as "Daniel Remenak (aka DTRemenak aka Erroneous)" so you really should know that I am all one person ;) |
| 19:03.55 | Erroneous | Epyon: yup |
| 19:04.06 | Winny | Just multiple personalites ;) |
| 19:04.12 | Erroneous | though we really have more of a "mentor pool" |
| 19:04.14 | Epyon | That's where I discovered your double personality :P |
| 19:04.18 | Erroneous | ahh |
| 19:04.31 | Erroneous | could also have noticed from my cloak |
| 19:04.31 | Epyon | Yesh I know, brlcad kept repeating that a lot :] |
| 19:04.34 | JBdiGriz | Actually it's not multiple personalities, we expect him to do the work of 3 people. |
| 19:04.36 | Erroneous | eep, I'm not cloaked |
| 19:04.39 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v Erroneous] by ChanServ |
| 19:04.40 | tannerld | lol |
| 19:04.43 | Erroneous | there we go |
| 19:04.46 | Winny | hehe |
| 19:04.59 | Erroneous | JBdiGriz: heh |
| 19:05.28 | Epyon | khe he, does succesfuly completeing your SoC assignment also warrant a #bzflag cloak? xD |
| 19:06.21 | Erroneous | Epyon: I don't think bzflag has cloaks...you can always get a generic freenode cloak by messaging a staffer. I suppose if there was enough demand someone might be able to convince Tim to ask for bzflag group cloaks. |
| 19:06.37 | Epyon | :P |
| 19:06.43 | Epyon | Just kiddin' ^^ |
| 19:07.48 | Epyon | Well, I'm off to a pub to celebrate my successful application, I'll be back in a couple of hours ;] |
| 19:09.30 | Erroneous | hehe, ok |
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| 19:16.43 | brlcad | hello Saturos |
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| 19:17.14 | Saturos | JeffM2501: ping |
| 19:17.16 | Saturos | hey :) |
| 19:17.18 | Saturos | Jeff wanted something but I was away... trying to find out what it was about. |
| 19:18.01 | donny_baker | was it about the a piece of art? |
| 19:18.11 | Saturos | No idea. |
| 19:18.17 | Saturos | Hey Winny :) |
| 19:18.24 | brlcad | Saturos: you have bzflag.de yes? |
| 19:18.33 | Saturos | Thats right. |
| 19:18.38 | Saturos | Well, not quite. |
| 19:18.41 | brlcad | does it have a good home? :) |
| 19:19.09 | Saturos | I am not c-admin of bzflag.de, I just asked the old owner if he would redirect it to my webspace if I create a better site than he had online. |
| 19:19.24 | donny_baker | Saturos: could have been this- [12:46] JeffM2501: got any good art for design document? |
| 19:19.33 | donny_baker | Saturos: my idea was you ;) |
| 19:19.47 | donny_baker | it is in relation to a wiki template |
| 19:20.05 | brlcad | ah, so you're not _ZSt4endlIcSt11ch |
| 19:20.05 | Saturos | Ah... I've never skinned a wiki before. |
| 19:20.14 | tannerld | heh |
| 19:20.24 | brlcad | er, not Claus |
| 19:20.32 | donny_baker | no its. just a small image, 100 x 100 or so, not the whole wiki |
| 19:20.32 | Saturos | Right. |
| 19:20.33 | L4m3r | I don't think he means that kind of template, satu |
| 19:20.44 | Saturos | donny_baker: that one at top left? |
| 19:20.49 | Winny | your replacung my logo? :( |
| 19:20.52 | Winny | :p |
| 19:21.02 | L4m3r | wiki templates are small image banners used to label articles |
| 19:21.10 | brlcad | does saturos.de have a good home? :) |
| 19:21.11 | donny_baker | no look at http://my.bzflag.org/w/template:UserArt |
| 19:21.11 | L4m3r | as well as other things |
| 19:21.32 | Saturos | brlcad: I think so. :) Why? You made me curious. |
| 19:22.12 | brlcad | well, we have a backup list server set to get set up and go online sometime |
| 19:22.20 | brlcad | it's in .de, yet currently nameless |
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| 19:22.37 | brlcad | bzflag.de would be a suitable name :) |
| 19:23.00 | brlcad | i'd like to offload some of the setup and admin too to someone |
| 19:23.04 | Saturos | Yeah, indeed... what would one need to setup in order to get it to work? |
| 19:23.06 | brlcad | save for some security setup |
| 19:23.38 | Saturos | L4m3r: So little images to label different categories? That sounds interesting. |
| 19:23.42 | brlcad | well, info on who claus is.. wouldn't want the name to unexpectedly disappear or get squatted on if they decided to let it go |
| 19:24.00 | brlcad | as well as someone to actually do the name server updates |
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| 19:24.13 | Saturos | Claus is Oma Herta... a quite legendary player. I think I can dig out his email. |
| 19:24.19 | brlcad | ooh, oma |
| 19:24.21 | Winny | brlcad: if your really desperate, I can give you mybzflag.net |
| 19:24.37 | Saturos | I own bzflag.info too and dont have any use for it. |
| 19:24.47 | L4m3r | Saturos: see the link d_b gave |
| 19:24.58 | brlcad | Winny: thanks and appreciated, but really am hoping for something akin to current namespace (i.e. bzflag.eu or bzflag.de) |
| 19:25.08 | Winny | k :) |
| 19:25.11 | L4m3r | if an article is really old, or messed up, etc, it gets tagged appropriately |
| 19:25.49 | Saturos | I am not in charge about the domain bzflag.de but I'll pass the email over to you guys. |
| 19:25.50 | brlcad | Saturos: hm.. that's good to know too, would probably be my second/third choice after .de/.eu |
| 19:28.05 | ts | Saturos: Moin moin |
| 19:28.21 | ts | brlcad: bzflag.eu is already taken, too as fas as I know |
| 19:28.30 | Saturos | its owned by romfis |
| 19:30.12 | Saturos | brlcad: query |
| 19:30.19 | Saturos | hey ts |
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| 19:30.39 | TimRiker | we own bzflag.com .org and .net and they are all currently the same. |
| 19:31.05 | TimRiker | we could split them up, or we could add things like db1,db2,db3.bzflag.org etc. |
| 19:31.15 | ts | .com is not good..means commercial, IIRC |
| 19:31.32 | ts | and .net could be anywher |
| 19:31.38 | ts | e |
| 19:32.11 | TimRiker | I just mean that if we are setting up mirror sites, we have a number of different choices. |
| 19:32.16 | Saturos | I need to go now... will return tomorrow to talk about it all. :) |
| 19:32.19 | JBdiGriz | We should be able to provide multiple IP's per name as well, and allow the querying machine to choose which one is preferred. |
| 19:32.38 | TimRiker | JBdiGriz: another excellent point. |
| 19:33.01 | ts | Saturos: n8 |
| 19:33.19 | ts | aww too late :( |
| 19:34.02 | ts | JBdiGriz: That's a point I made some time ago, too |
| 19:34.50 | ts | not sure if that is really a good idea when the servers are not near together |
| 19:35.18 | ts | at least with the current auth |
| 19:36.05 | JBdiGriz | It works out better if the servers are not near together. You have more redundancy of the connection. It doesn't necessarily traverse the same links. |
| 19:36.18 | brlcad | TimRiker: yeah, good to keep in mind |
| 19:37.26 | brlcad | and we should probably use that for setting up software config, i'm just hoping to get seemingly unique FQDNs as well |
| 19:38.16 | ts | JBdiGriz: The problem is the auth..we need several list servers then and the users need to be able to register on any machine |
| 19:39.31 | TheRedBaron | bzflag.de used to have the old forums, hosted by ezboard.com |
| 19:41.47 | ts | The current listserver is **** |
| 19:42.19 | ts | Can't belive it's rather new code |
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| 19:43.02 | brlcad | tupone -- you saw the wiki writeup? |
| 19:43.12 | brlcad | it's not right and not done, but it's started :) |
| 19:43.14 | tupone | what? where? how? |
| 19:43.18 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:43.24 | JBdiGriz | The listserver needs to support redundancy and replication. |
| 19:43.37 | brlcad | i'll post the link later when I correct a few blatent wrongities |
| 19:45.34 | tupone | http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZAuthd ? |
| 19:51.04 | L4m3r | bzauthd sounds fun |
| 19:51.34 | L4m3r | not so much the actual daemon, but rather the process of hacking everything else to use it... :P |
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| 20:23.20 | JeffM2501 | did someone let saturos know what I was looking for? |
| 20:23.58 | JeffM2501 | whoot another use of the design doc template :) |
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| 20:32.32 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: I attached it to Karma and Logging too |
| 20:32.42 | JeffM2501 | cooleo |
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| 20:36.41 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/wiki/index.php/Getting_Help || http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9453 || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || http://fisheye1.cenqua.com/browse/bzflag/bzflag || New WIKI! http://my.bzflag.org/w/ || Migrated from CVS to SVN: http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN || GSoC 4 slots: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code#Program_Evaluation |
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| 20:37.57 | donny_baker | JeffM2501:Yes, I talked to Saturos... he only had a couple of minutes... said he will be back tomorrow |
| 20:38.07 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 20:45.03 | tannerld | what does -f do? |
| 20:45.22 | a_meteorite | tannerld: restrict certain flags |
| 20:45.34 | tannerld | how would it be used? |
| 20:45.46 | a_meteorite | -f id{num} |
| 20:45.58 | a_meteorite | wait, |
| 20:46.00 | a_meteorite | just -f id |
| 20:46.11 | a_meteorite | +f takes num :) |
| 20:46.12 | Guu | Bugger all, I dunno. |
| 20:47.47 | tannerld | ah |
| 20:47.48 | tannerld | thanks |
| 20:47.56 | tannerld | ++a_m |
| 20:47.56 | Guu | I don't have a clue. |
| 20:48.03 | tannerld | a_meteorite++ |
| 20:48.05 | a_meteorite | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.12 | a_meteorite | missing the tilde ;) |
| 20:48.25 | tannerld | ~a_meteorite++ |
| 20:48.28 | a_meteorite | :) |
| 20:50.04 | Winny | he gets two karmas!> |
| 20:50.05 | Winny | ?! |
| 20:50.14 | a_meteorite | no.. |
| 20:50.21 | Winny | ~a_meteorite++ |
| 20:50.26 | Winny | 3, better :p |
| 20:50.29 | a_meteorite | heh.. |
| 20:50.56 | Winny | wouldn't you prefer I take it away? |
| 20:51.09 | a_meteorite | not really |
| 20:52.49 | donny_baker | ~karma a_meteorite |
| 20:52.49 | ibot | a_meteorite has karma of 39 |
| 20:53.07 | a_meteorite | ~karma donny_baker |
| 20:53.07 | ibot | donny_baker has karma of 25 |
| 20:53.16 | Winny | ~karma Winny |
| 20:53.16 | ibot | winny has karma of 1 |
| 20:53.19 | Winny | yay :p |
| 21:07.19 | lodxcol | ~karma lodxcol |
| 21:07.19 | ibot | lodxcol has neutral karma |
| 21:07.22 | lodxcol | lol |
| 21:11.38 | JeffM2501 | did any server operators read the group system thing? |
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| 21:19.11 | brlcad | but then I don't run servers any more |
| 21:19.13 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:19.17 | JeffM2501 | it sound reasonable? |
| 21:19.24 | JeffM2501 | I don't care how the backend works |
| 21:19.26 | brlcad | better to ask a server operator :) |
| 21:19.37 | brlcad | yeah, backend was all I wondered about |
| 21:19.42 | brlcad | ldap/bzauthage |
| 21:20.00 | brlcad | as that's stuff I'd planned on it handling |
| 21:20.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah I left that out of that part for that reason, don't care, just a way to describe how people use it |
| 21:20.17 | Erroneous | backend is not really relevant, we're just looking at the "how does it act" |
| 21:20.18 | JeffM2501 | any system that you all come up with should be able to handle that I'd think |
| 21:20.31 | Erroneous | our current system could handle it, I think |
| 21:20.37 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:20.37 | Erroneous | with a little hackage |
| 21:20.46 | JeffM2501 | just have to parse some names, and keep a little extra data |
| 21:21.01 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure no mater what we'll have some unique ID for each user |
| 21:21.36 | donny_baker | what the matter JeffM2501, want out of the Group Management :P |
| 21:21.47 | donny_baker | sounds like a reasonable solution |
| 21:21.55 | JeffM2501 | it's just not a good system to require humans to do it |
| 21:22.08 | JeffM2501 | we also don't have a good way to allow more then one person to add/remove from a group |
| 21:22.16 | JeffM2501 | and I know gu leauge coud realy use that |
| 21:22.39 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: hear hear! |
| 21:22.47 | TheRedBaron | gu would love that |
| 21:22.50 | JeffM2501 | so there are a number of reasons |
| 21:22.55 | donny_baker | I see all the times you do edits and it would really reduce your work, then you could code :) |
| 21:22.56 | TheRedBaron | and pretty much any league |
| 21:23.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah any leauge |
| 21:23.20 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous and I had gone over the design at work, so I wanted to get it writen up |
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| 21:23.46 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, did you read the document? |
| 21:26.14 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: no i haven't |
| 21:26.44 | TheRedBaron | this one? http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZAuthd |
| 21:27.35 | donny_baker | this one: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Group_Management_System |
| 21:29.21 | TheRedBaron | as I understand it, in a quick perusal - the 'newest' feature would be, allowing users to create their own groups, and then create groups to admin/moderate those groups? |
| 21:29.55 | JeffM2501 | they would register a name |
| 21:30.01 | TheRedBaron | instead of relying on the hand of the board admins, to create a group, then create a dummy player/group owner and give out the password to the admins/mods |
| 21:30.02 | JeffM2501 | like "gu" |
| 21:30.11 | JeffM2501 | then that would automaticly make gu.owner |
| 21:30.27 | JeffM2501 | anyone in the gu.owner can add new gu.WHATEVER groups |
| 21:30.33 | JeffM2501 | and add users to those groups |
| 21:30.33 | Erroneous | right...gu could create "gu", then a group to administer it, and they could add gu.* to it |
| 21:30.49 | Erroneous | all without any effort on our side |
| 21:30.54 | TheRedBaron | rgr |
| 21:31.01 | TheRedBaron | ~thatidea++ |
| 21:31.03 | JeffM2501 | and that prevents anyone from making any other gu.anything anywhere else |
| 21:31.26 | JeffM2501 | also if we have an issue with any gu.whatever, we know who to contact, the person that made the gu name |
| 21:33.02 | JeffM2501 | structuraly that'd all be part of our new user admin site that we have that lets people setup there ldap stuff :) |
| 21:34.16 | battousai1373 | Hey guys. I was one of the GSoC students that made the final selection list. Unfortunately, my application was not accepted, but I'd like to congratulate jude-, Epyon, L4m3r, and daxxar. Good luck with your projects. As for me, I'm still interested in working on server-side DR, packet culling, and motion path smoothing using cubic splines for predictive synch (client-side). Whether or not I'll have time all depends on the summer jo |
| 21:34.58 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 21:35.28 | JeffM2501 | I'll be doing some basic work on geting our server state setup, and help on the DR side would rock. |
| 21:39.24 | battousai1373 | Well, like I said it all depends on how much time I have after whatever summer job I get, so no promises. I would love to help and will try to make time to, but obviously it can't be my priority anymore. |
| 21:39.49 | JeffM2501 | totaly understandable |
| 21:40.09 | L4m3r | thanks, battousai1373. it means a lot :) |
| 21:41.01 | battousai1373 | no problem, L4m3r |
| 21:41.32 | JeffM2501 | woulda been nice to have not lost that 5th slot |
| 21:42.06 | L4m3r | seriously. did you actually "lose" it, or was 5 just an estimate? |
| 21:42.13 | battousai1373 | yeah, I had a feeling that'd knock me out of the ranking. |
| 21:42.15 | JeffM2501 | yeah it was lost |
| 21:42.23 | JeffM2501 | we had it |
| 21:42.29 | JeffM2501 | it was part of the report they made |
| 21:42.32 | L4m3r | lame. any reason? |
| 21:42.35 | JeffM2501 | then they did a reorg and we had 4 |
| 21:42.44 | JeffM2501 | they have the right to reorg, and they did |
| 21:42.47 | L4m3r | bummer |
| 21:42.51 | JeffM2501 | it's there money :) |
| 21:42.57 | L4m3r | of course :) |
| 21:43.12 | JeffM2501 | we were are a first year non web project |
| 21:43.15 | JBdiGriz | battousai1373: Thanks for the application, and for any work. It wasn't easy narrowing down the proposals to the 4 slots we got. |
| 21:43.30 | JeffM2501 | so others have a higher priority |
| 21:43.41 | JeffM2501 | we offerd to give them back there 2k in exchange for another slot :) |
| 21:44.10 | JeffM2501 | too bad we arn't drupal :) |
| 21:44.21 | battousai1373 | You're welcome, JBdiGriz. You'll probably hear from me next year as well. |
| 21:44.37 | JBdiGriz | Cool! |
| 21:44.47 | JeffM2501 | if we do well this year, next year we'll have a better chance of geting more too |
| 21:45.32 | battousai1373 | only next time I'll know about it more than 2 days in advance and won't hand in my proposal with 14 seconds to spare :) |
| 21:46.41 | JeffM2501 | anyone thing we realy need the ability to listen on a non game port right now? |
| 21:46.54 | Erroneous | no, not "really need" |
| 21:47.00 | JeffM2501 | then I'll move past it :) |
| 21:47.02 | Erroneous | more like "would be nice" |
| 21:47.05 | Erroneous | yup |
| 21:47.13 | JeffM2501 | I 'll leave what I have done so far |
| 21:49.34 | RatOmeter | I'm porting FlightGear's multiplay server to Windows and I'd like to say thanks for bzfs! The two servers are similar in their form and function, so I'm using bzfs for a reference in cross-platform compatibility :) |
| 21:49.43 | Erroneous | heh |
| 21:50.19 | JeffM2501 | I am so very sorry dude |
| 21:51.07 | RatOmeter | In my favor, the FG server is a lot less complicated ;) |
| 21:51.22 | Erroneous | heh, less complicated than bzfs... |
| 21:51.31 | Erroneous | so what does it do? echo packets around? :) |
| 21:52.04 | JeffM2501 | cus we ain't realy complex :) |
| 21:52.06 | RatOmeter | a little more, but not much more than that. |
| 21:53.05 | battousai1373 | Oh, while I'm at it, I think I saw somewhere that those GSoC students that didn't make it would receive comments back on their applications. Is that actually happening? Feedback on what about my application stood out and what fell short would be really helpful. |
| 21:53.45 | JeffM2501 | for you it was just we didn't have a lot of slots |
| 21:53.50 | JeffM2501 | you were our #5 |
| 21:54.05 | JeffM2501 | but yeah I don't know how that's suposed to work on there site |
| 21:54.34 | battousai1373 | oh...yeah, I had a feeling #5 was me when you guys were discussing the decision in here. |
| 21:54.44 | JeffM2501 | for a VERY VERY VERY long time |
| 21:54.52 | battousai1373 | haha yeah |
| 21:55.04 | Erroneous | most of the discussion was actually elsewhere |
| 21:55.10 | Erroneous | just some followup leaked in here |
| 21:55.31 | battousai1373 | ah I see |
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| 22:00.38 | battousai1373 | I've got to get going to class now. see you later |
| 22:00.46 | JeffM2501 | have fu |
| 22:00.48 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 22:01.56 | battousai1373 | oh I will. It's 3D graphics programming...hyperbolic interpolation of attributes...good times (completely serious) |
| 22:02.14 | Erroneous | sweet |
| 22:02.28 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14025 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (bzfs.cxx bzfsClientMessages.cxx): |
| 22:02.28 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: if we have a function that handles all the logic for an event, don't throw code |
| 22:02.28 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: before the call to that function, when that function has all the info you need, |
| 22:02.28 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: pack it as just more logic in the function.. oh and whitespace. |
| 22:02.45 | Erroneous | heh |
| 22:03.08 | JeffM2501 | functions good.... |
| 22:03.18 | TD-Linux | odd, CIA-17 seems kinda spammy... the message length limit is far greater than that |
| 22:03.37 | Erroneous | probably JeffM2501's svn client chopping, or sf |
| 22:03.44 | JeffM2501 | prolly |
| 22:03.45 | purple_cow | TD-Linux: nope |
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| 22:04.30 | purple_cow | unless you're talking about line wrap? |
| 22:04.47 | JeffM2501 | should we be doing more checking of the length when we unpack messages? |
| 22:05.01 | JeffM2501 | we just assume buff is the right size |
| 22:05.09 | TD-Linux | grrr... cracking blowfish is kinda hardish :P |
| 22:05.29 | TD-Linux | oops wrong channel |
| 22:05.31 | a_meteorite | lost your password? |
| 22:05.34 | a_meteorite | heh.. |
| 22:05.49 | TD-Linux | no, the DS uses blowfish on its cartridge, actually a blowfish variant |
| 22:06.13 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 22:06.13 | TD-Linux | I'm using someone else's information... I have the key, I have the plaintext, I have the ciphertext... |
| 22:06.33 | TD-Linux | but figuring out the encryption scheme is not exactly easy :/ |
| 22:11.48 | JeffM2501 | isn't that the POINT of it? |
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| 22:18.41 | Winny | ~greet tannerld |
| 22:18.46 | ibot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on tannerld |
| 22:18.48 | tannerld | hi |
| 22:18.55 | Winny | hello |
| 22:19.13 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: not really |
| 22:19.28 | purple_cow | good encryption schemes are simple |
| 22:20.39 | JBdiGriz | Simple encryption schemes are not good |
| 22:21.14 | JeffM2501 | I mean figuring it out and cracking it is suposed to be hard to do :) |
| 22:21.34 | Erroneous | no, finding the KEY is supposed to be hard |
| 22:21.44 | Erroneous | if you have the key, there's no point in concealing any other information |
| 22:22.06 | JBdiGriz | If you have the key, you don't need to crack it. |
| 22:22.22 | Erroneous | 'tis what TD-Linux is trying to do |
| 22:22.33 | Erroneous | presumably in order to reimplement or emulate it |
| 22:22.48 | JBdiGriz | very presumptuous of you |
| 22:22.52 | Erroneous | indeed |
| 22:23.38 | purple_cow | JBdiGriz: I'm cranky that you linked to that stone IRS |
| 22:23.56 | purple_cow | there's this big hole in the distribution list right around where I live! |
| 22:24.14 | JBdiGriz | Come on down, and I'll buy you one. ;) |
| 22:24.16 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 22:25.37 | Erroneous | heh |
| 22:25.48 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14026 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (6 files): |
| 22:25.49 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: don't need 2 ways to send an endshot |
| 22:25.49 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: move hit testing to a function |
| 22:25.49 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: sendDrop does more then send the drop so call it what it is, dropFlag |
| 22:25.49 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: and even more whitespace |
| 22:30.53 | JeffM2501 | anyone who knows about php around? |
| 22:31.00 | blast007 | :) |
| 22:31.04 | JeffM2501 | cue more scarry music |
| 22:31.14 | JeffM2501 | blast007, ever look at checktoken.php? |
| 22:31.26 | blast007 | yeah |
| 22:31.33 | blast007 | it sucked iirc |
| 22:31.38 | JeffM2501 | we pass in a list of groups to check |
| 22:31.41 | JeffM2501 | right? |
| 22:31.48 | JeffM2501 | how do we pass back what groups they are in |
| 22:31.51 | blast007 | yeah, which I didn't find useful |
| 22:31.53 | JeffM2501 | out of that subset |
| 22:32.03 | JeffM2501 | well you may want to see if they are in your admin group for instance. |
| 22:32.04 | blast007 | since it checks to see if they have ALL of those, and in THAT order |
| 22:32.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's what I'm thinking is stupid |
| 22:32.23 | JeffM2501 | I say we return a list of groups they are in from that main list |
| 22:32.27 | JeffM2501 | that is more usefull |
| 22:32.28 | blast007 | I have different code that I use for the bzexcess site |
| 22:32.32 | blast007 | that does just that |
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| 22:32.41 | JeffM2501 | care to change our code to do that? |
| 22:33.19 | JeffM2501 | I'm doing the patch that URL encoded the callsign, but it seems to do something with the groups, but I don't think it's right. |
| 22:34.52 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14027 10/trunk/bzflag/misc/checkToken.php: URL encode the callsign ( patch from Udo Müller ) |
| 22:37.39 | JeffM2501 | whoot, I can see the end of handle command :) |
| 22:38.27 | blast007 | my token checking code also pulls out the bzid from the response :) |
| 22:38.33 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 22:38.40 | JeffM2501 | care to make ours do all that? |
| 22:38.44 | blast007 | sure |
| 22:38.52 | JeffM2501 | sweet :) |
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| 23:00.39 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14028 10/trunk/bzflag/ (7 files in 2 dirs): |
| 23:00.40 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: move teleport message into it's own function |
| 23:00.40 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: add pack code for MSGteleport to the message file and support server side players. |
| 23:00.40 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: more whitespace. |
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| 23:30.27 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14029 10/trunk/bzflag/ (10 files in 2 dirs): |
| 23:30.27 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: move more command handlers to client messages |
| 23:30.27 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: cleanup duplicate and dead code |
| 23:30.27 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: server side bot support for more messages |
| 23:30.27 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: whitespace |
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| 23:47.50 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14030 10/trunk/bzflag/ (8 files in 2 dirs): remove the kerbos stuff :( |
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| 23:51.24 | JeffM2501 | hmm I don't think I have to wory about a SSP ever having to worry about lag pings do I? |
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| 23:57.07 | CIA-17 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14031 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (bzfs.cxx bzfs.h bzfsClientMessages.cxx bzfsClientMessages.h): finish cleanup on handle command |