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| 00:14.56 | argiopeweb | Howdy folks. |
| 00:15.00 | blast007 | hi |
| 00:15.59 | argiopeweb | I'm working on compiling BZ on winsucks (yeah, I know...) and I'm getting nasty errors right off the bat. Anyone here good with compiling BZ with MSVN? |
| 00:18.01 | argiopeweb | I've installed the directX sdk, and the Windows SDK, but I'm getting errors about being unable to include windows.h. |
| 00:23.38 | lodxcol | isn't GCC available on Windows? |
| 00:23.59 | ruskie | mingw |
| 00:24.34 | lodxcol | yeah, http://www.mingw.org/ |
| 00:24.36 | argiopeweb | Eh, I'd rather use what the actual BZ devs use, to tell you the truth. |
| 00:24.40 | a_meteorite | or cygwin? |
| 00:24.47 | a_meteorite | argiopeweb: they use VC |
| 00:24.56 | argiopeweb | Which is what I have... |
| 00:24.59 | argiopeweb | MSVC. |
| 00:25.02 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 00:25.26 | a_meteorite | I don't know anything about Windows compiling except that they use VC and they always repeat "make sure the libs is in the right place" |
| 00:25.56 | argiopeweb | Hmm, I wonder where the "right place" is... |
| 00:26.03 | argiopeweb | I'm with you meteo... |
| 00:26.11 | argiopeweb | *nix is the best. |
| 00:27.29 | argiopeweb | If anyone has an answer, pm me please. I'll be right back. |
| 00:27.57 | blast007 | argiopeweb: which version of visual C++? |
| 00:28.02 | argiopeweb | 8 |
| 00:28.05 | blast007 | 2005 Express Edition? |
| 00:28.07 | argiopeweb | The newest one. |
| 00:28.09 | argiopeweb | Yep. |
| 00:28.15 | blast007 | haven't tried that one myself |
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| 00:28.30 | blast007 | I have both 2003 and 2005, both the full Visual Studio versions |
| 00:28.39 | argiopeweb | Ah. |
| 00:28.42 | blast007 | you have the platform SDK? |
| 00:28.49 | argiopeweb_away | Yep. |
| 00:28.53 | argiopeweb_away | Just installed it. |
| 00:29.02 | blast007 | and you followed the additional steps to get it put into EE? |
| 00:29.07 | argiopeweb_away | No? |
| 00:29.11 | blast007 | the installer doesn't do it all |
| 00:29.18 | argiopeweb_away | Where are these steps? |
| 00:29.23 | blast007 | there was additional steps on the page you downloaded it from |
| 00:29.29 | argiopeweb_away | Oh... |
| 00:29.31 | argiopeweb_away | XD |
| 00:29.39 | argiopeweb_away | Guess I'll look that up when I get back. |
| 00:29.42 | argiopeweb_away | BBL. |
| 00:29.43 | donny_baker | CRW allert |
| 00:29.51 | donny_baker | just banned on norang |
| 00:29.53 | blast007 | donny_baker: weee |
| 00:30.01 | blast007 | same old ISP? |
| 00:30.27 | blast007 | *.sd.cox.net ? |
| 00:30.53 | donny_baker | IP 60.40.45.152 |
| 00:31.01 | blast007 | ~nslookup 60.40.45.152 |
| 00:31.07 | donny_baker | nnope |
| 00:31.17 | donny_baker | not san diego ;) |
| 00:31.18 | blast007 | a little different location ;) |
| 00:31.20 | blast007 | hehe |
| 00:32.57 | a_meteorite | japan proxies? or CRW copycat? |
| 00:33.07 | blast007 | probably a proxy |
| 00:33.30 | donny_baker | he only got to 8 with SW before I got him ;) |
| 00:33.41 | GrandHustla | haha. |
| 00:33.45 | donny_baker | he was bold... 4 admins on at the time |
| 00:33.58 | GrandHustla | where? |
| 00:34.35 | donny_baker | foxburrow on bzflag2.norang.ca |
| 00:34.42 | GrandHustla | haha |
| 00:34.57 | Thumper_ | it was a race to see who could ban first... donny won :( |
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| 00:35.24 | Tedius | CR Wheelchair is making rounds in bzflag |
| 00:35.30 | Tedius | hiya hustla |
| 00:35.34 | GrandHustla | hahaha. |
| 00:36.28 | Tedius | he's at purple panzer now |
| 00:36.39 | GrandHustla | off to PP |
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| 00:51.27 | a_meteorite | got him banned at 4 servers :) |
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| 00:58.03 | argiopeweb_away | I'll populate one of mine and see if I can catch him. :) |
| 00:58.39 | argiopeweb | So, he's just a basic cheater? |
| 00:58.44 | blast007 | yeah, god mode |
| 00:58.47 | a_meteorite | god-mode |
| 00:58.49 | blast007 | all they ever do |
| 00:58.51 | argiopeweb | Nice. |
| 00:59.01 | a_meteorite | a simple one line edit.. what 1337 skill |
| 00:59.07 | argiopeweb | Yeah, the ones who don't get caught are the good ones... |
| 00:59.23 | argiopeweb | Small tank with CL, for instance. |
| 00:59.35 | argiopeweb | Even though that doesn't help against seer. |
| 00:59.46 | Winny | or radar |
| 00:59.50 | a_meteorite | most (I say most, since some do allow cheating or don't care) servers have a ban-on-sight policy for CRW |
| 00:59.56 | a_meteorite | at least the ones that know about him |
| 01:00.04 | argiopeweb | He's a known offender? |
| 01:00.09 | a_meteorite | absolutely |
| 01:00.16 | Winny | mhmmm |
| 01:00.18 | a_meteorite | he's been doing it for months, even came here once |
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| 01:01.17 | a_meteorite | came to defend his actions, iirc :\ |
| 01:01.17 | blast007 | assuming that was actually him |
| 01:01.17 | a_meteorite | guess he got a little more creative with proxies |
| 01:01.18 | a_meteorite | blast007: yeah |
| 01:01.18 | blast007 | hmm, or wait, no, I think that was him |
| 01:01.18 | blast007 | I was thinking of another one |
| 01:01.18 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 01:02.26 | Pumpernickel | It was him. He was banned a few times by host - he kept coming back through proxies - until he got banned by realname. |
| 01:03.54 | blast007 | yup |
| 01:12.54 | a_meteorite | does anyone know how long m.b.o. keeps tokens (before they are validated)? |
| 01:13.06 | DTRemenak | 5min |
| 01:13.15 | a_meteorite | thanks |
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| 01:46.15 | Tedius | is a meteorite here? |
| 01:46.44 | a_meteorite | I'm ALWAYS here |
| 01:47.01 | Tedius | I just kicked "you" from my server |
| 01:47.15 | a_meteorite | plus my irc nick pings me, "a meteorite" without the underscore does not :P |
| 01:47.59 | Tedius | the person i kicked did not have an underscore either |
| 01:48.18 | a_meteorite | it's probably CRW |
| 01:48.29 | a_meteorite | he got pretty pissed at me for loading multiple clients and poll banning him |
| 01:49.05 | Tedius | yep, thats what i thought too |
| 01:49.14 | a_meteorite | anyone that isn't ID'd and keeps on playing with no reguard (assuming auth is down), kick em |
| 01:49.18 | Tedius | his ip was very close to "yours" |
| 01:49.21 | a_meteorite | that tries to be me, that is |
| 01:49.27 | a_meteorite | what was the IP? |
| 01:49.53 | Tedius | 64.40.45.* |
| 01:50.11 | a_meteorite | donny_baker: CRW allert |
| 01:50.12 | a_meteorite | [5:29pm] donny_baker: just banned on norang |
| 01:50.12 | a_meteorite | [5:29pm] blast007: donny_baker: weee |
| 01:50.12 | a_meteorite | [5:30pm] blast007: same old ISP? |
| 01:50.12 | a_meteorite | [5:30pm] blast007: *.sd.cox.net ? |
| 01:50.12 | a_meteorite | [5:30pm] donny_baker: IP 60.40.45.152 |
| 01:50.25 | a_meteorite | seems familiar enough |
| 01:50.26 | Tedius | can we not /idban someone who is not registered? |
| 01:50.30 | a_meteorite | no |
| 01:50.44 | a_meteorite | /idban is only for people who actually login, and that's their phpbb id |
| 01:51.02 | a_meteorite | Tedius: what is the full IP? it's not like it's personal info |
| 01:51.20 | a_meteorite | mine is 75.15.119.153 anyways.. |
| 01:51.33 | Tedius | 64.40.45.177 when he signed in as "you" |
| 01:51.43 | a_meteorite | ~nslookup 64.40.45.177 |
| 01:51.55 | Tedius | 64.40.45.152 as himself |
| 01:52.00 | a_meteorite | hah. |
| 01:52.08 | a_meteorite | free dial-up internet provider |
| 01:52.11 | a_meteorite | figures |
| 01:54.09 | Tedius | I had a little bit of fun with him earlier |
| 01:54.31 | a_meteorite | hey, that hurts my stats! heh |
| 01:54.39 | Tedius | I gave him his team flag, making him cap his own |
| 01:54.44 | a_meteorite | I need a /nickchange command... hmm... |
| 01:54.51 | Tedius | then I kept /killing him |
| 01:54.51 | a_meteorite | like force people to change their callsign |
| 01:54.56 | Tedius | until he started spamming |
| 01:55.03 | Tedius | then /mute |
| 01:55.08 | a_meteorite | dude you should have banned him |
| 01:55.15 | a_meteorite | everybody probably thought it was me |
| 01:55.30 | Tedius | this was when he was still CRW |
| 01:55.32 | a_meteorite | most players have no idea what the '-' and '+' means |
| 01:55.34 | a_meteorite | oh |
| 01:56.09 | Tedius | I'll make sure everyone knows it wasn't you just now |
| 02:04.18 | a_meteorite | ~nslookup 82.247.153.6 |
| 02:06.27 | a_meteorite | ~nslookup 218.27.204.99 |
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| 02:32.29 | argiopeweb | Howdy there. |
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| 02:32.44 | argiopeweb | Any other sightings of our friend? |
| 02:33.03 | MyLittleChainsaw | hoo |
| 02:33.07 | MyLittleChainsaw | maybe i see |
| 02:34.20 | argiopeweb | Any clue where to get/how to install LibCurl on winsucks? |
| 02:34.23 | MyLittleChainsaw | goodnight |
| 02:35.06 | argiopeweb | 'night |
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| 02:38.29 | blast007 | argiopeweb: from the curl site ;) |
| 02:38.38 | blast007 | I usually build my own from source though |
| 02:38.41 | argiopeweb | Hehe |
| 02:38.48 | argiopeweb | Yeah, I got that far... |
| 02:38.50 | blast007 | but they do have pre-built ones |
| 02:39.01 | blast007 | (most of which never work for me) |
| 02:39.16 | argiopeweb | Just stick the includes in the Windows SDK folder? |
| 02:39.37 | argiopeweb | Hehe. |
| 02:39.37 | blast007 | you'll have to play with it |
| 02:39.44 | argiopeweb | yeah, guess I will. |
| 02:39.46 | blast007 | I add include directories :) |
| 02:39.49 | argiopeweb | :P |
| 02:39.52 | argiopeweb | That's too easy. XD |
| 02:40.04 | blast007 | but that might not be not possible with EE |
| 02:40.07 | argiopeweb | Also, why do I need curses on windows? |
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| 02:40.10 | argiopeweb | EE? |
| 02:40.15 | blast007 | express edition |
| 02:40.16 | argiopeweb | Ah. |
| 02:40.20 | argiopeweb | Of course it is. XD |
| 02:40.23 | blast007 | curses is for bzadmin |
| 02:40.29 | argiopeweb | Yes, I know. |
| 02:40.41 | argiopeweb | I was unaware curses even compiled properly on windows... |
| 02:40.48 | blast007 | works fine |
| 02:40.52 | argiopeweb | Interesting. |
| 02:40.52 | blast007 | pdcurses |
| 02:41.02 | argiopeweb | Guess I have to get that too. :\ |
| 02:42.48 | argiopeweb | Well, fixed the curl problem... |
| 02:42.50 | argiopeweb | Now for curses. :\ |
| 02:43.45 | argiopeweb | By the way, just to let you know, it took me all of 2.5 minutes to compile the whole of bzflag, bzfs, and bzadmin. XD |
| 02:44.51 | binaryspike | what's your specs? |
| 02:45.03 | binaryspike | did you have all the common files already made when you started timing? |
| 02:47.37 | argiopeweb | Well, let me ask you one question before I check specs... Where do I need to throw curses.dll? |
| 02:47.50 | binaryspike | in your compilers path |
| 02:47.56 | argiopeweb | Which path... |
| 02:48.12 | binaryspike | a "path" is the search location of the compiler |
| 02:48.19 | binaryspike | on mac it's /usr/lib and /usr/local/lib |
| 02:48.36 | argiopeweb | That's a unix base... I'm fully familiar with them. :\ |
| 02:48.45 | binaryspike | for Borland (windows) it's $(BORLAND)\lib |
| 02:48.54 | argiopeweb | Okay, so \lib. |
| 02:48.57 | argiopeweb | Thanks. :\ |
| 02:49.00 | binaryspike | I would say somewhere in Program Files\Visual Studio\ or something like that |
| 02:49.11 | binaryspike | look for a library file where other .dll and .lib's are stored |
| 02:50.45 | argiopeweb | Okay, system is an AMD Turion 64bit X2 (dual-core) 1.61Ghz. 960mb ram. |
| 02:51.08 | argiopeweb | Doesn't sound like a whole lot, but it's a beast. |
| 02:51.18 | argiopeweb | And I was compiling from a brand new SVN. |
| 02:53.58 | binaryspike | dual core is ok |
| 02:54.23 | binaryspike | I'm running a single core, 3.2ghz |
| 02:54.25 | blast007 | curses.dll will go into the same place as your binaries for bzflag |
| 02:54.32 | blast007 | it's not used by the compiler |
| 02:54.40 | blast007 | it's used by the .exe's that the compiler builds |
| 02:54.54 | binaryspike | hmm, if I link statically to an LGPL library, do I have to license my own code as LGPL? |
| 02:55.05 | blast007 | binaryspike: go read the LGPL |
| 02:57.47 | argiopeweb | ... |
| 02:57.56 | argiopeweb | Fatal error: Could not open libcurl.lib |
| 02:58.25 | blast007 | put that in your compiler's lib directory |
| 02:58.31 | argiopeweb | I know blast... |
| 02:58.35 | blast007 | ;) |
| 02:58.53 | argiopeweb | I've been programming in C++ since I was 12. And that's been a couple years. :P |
| 02:59.05 | argiopeweb | I'm just clueless about this windows thing. |
| 02:59.24 | binaryspike | I've been programming since I was 9 |
| 02:59.26 | binaryspike | C since I was 10 |
| 03:00.03 | binaryspike | and C++ since I was 12 :P |
| 03:00.04 | argiopeweb | Sounds like me. I started with QBasic at 8. C at 11, C++ at 12, Assembly at 14. |
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| 03:00.44 | argiopeweb | But yeah, for some reason libcurl.lib was named libcurl_imp.lib... |
| 03:00.56 | blast007 | another reason I build my own libcurl ;) |
| 03:01.07 | argiopeweb | hehe |
| 03:01.16 | argiopeweb | Any of y'all been able to build the latest SVN? |
| 03:01.32 | blast007 | latest from trunk or v2_0branch? |
| 03:01.34 | binaryspike | I built the last CVS |
| 03:01.40 | binaryspike | and the SVN isn't far from that |
| 03:01.56 | argiopeweb | Trunk. |
| 03:02.06 | argiopeweb | I didn't know the CVS server was still up... |
| 03:02.13 | blast007 | it's read only |
| 03:02.14 | binaryspike | It's not |
| 03:02.17 | argiopeweb | Oh. |
| 03:02.18 | binaryspike | oh, read only eyah |
| 03:02.18 | argiopeweb | Good. |
| 03:02.21 | blast007 | binaryspike: .... |
| 03:02.25 | binaryspike | I got it like the last day it was up |
| 03:02.27 | argiopeweb | I like SVN better anyway. XD |
| 03:02.37 | binaryspike | on sourceforge |
| 03:02.41 | binaryspike | yes it sure is ;) |
| 03:03.05 | blast007 | binaryspike: it's still "up" ;) |
| 03:03.21 | argiopeweb | I'm trying to compile 2.1SVN... The curses handler in bzadmin appears to be borked. |
| 03:03.50 | argiopeweb | And I need dinput.[h|lib] |
| 03:04.02 | blast007 | directX SDK |
| 03:04.22 | binaryspike | I got bzflag compiled under VCEE but I couldn't release it |
| 03:04.32 | binaryspike | I use borland now |
| 03:04.37 | binaryspike | I haven't tried bzflag under borland |
| 03:04.49 | binaryspike | borland compiles so fast ^_^ |
| 03:05.16 | argiopeweb | Hehe |
| 03:05.29 | argiopeweb | Oh, and I already installed the directX SDK... |
| 03:05.40 | argiopeweb | Didn't add it to the paths though. :\ |
| 03:06.33 | argiopeweb | Hmm, it'd help if I knew where the directX SDK got installed. :\ |
| 03:07.16 | argiopeweb | WinXP search is so ..... so ..... slow ..... |
| 03:07.57 | argiopeweb | Where it's like BAM. In your face results. |
| 03:08.18 | binaryspike | Have you indexed? |
| 03:08.35 | binaryspike | Spotlight uses extreme indexing to get results that fast |
| 03:08.50 | binaryspike | I indexed my Win2k and it searches just as fast |
| 03:09.08 | binaryspike | heck my Dads mac os 9 is indexed and searches almost as fast |
| 03:10.00 | inchworm | howdy binaryspike |
| 03:10.07 | argiopeweb | No, I haven't taken the time to index it... |
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| 03:10.18 | argiopeweb | I use XP as little as possible anyway. |
| 03:10.40 | argiopeweb | Hmm, missing dinput.lib |
| 03:10.41 | tannerld | heh |
| 03:11.02 | inchworm | tannerld: sorry couldn't resist |
| 03:11.09 | argiopeweb | It's clearly there. :\ |
| 03:11.23 | tannerld | inchworm: essy is keeping me from changing my nick back :E |
| 03:11.23 | argiopeweb | Ah, found the problem. XD |
| 03:11.43 | inchworm | tannerld: i heard someone else complain about that |
| 03:12.10 | tannerld | inchworm: yeah - sortof annoying |
| 03:13.05 | argiopeweb | Uhm, what is the difference between release and release_pdcurses? One builds bzadmin, one doesn't? |
| 03:13.51 | binaryspike | release is probably the *nix implementation. Release_pdcurses is probably the win32 implementation |
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| 03:14.08 | argiopeweb | Might be it. |
| 03:14.42 | argiopeweb | Not that it matters... I'm not building bzadmin anyway. |
| 03:15.08 | Epyon | What's the idea of registering nicknames for BZF? |
| 03:15.46 | blast007 | Epyon: the idea is that they are then identified in the game, and can be assigned permissions per global groups |
| 03:16.04 | Epyon | Any practical reason to register? |
| 03:16.22 | blast007 | ... I just mentioned it :) |
| 03:17.26 | blast007 | some servers don't give talk or spawn permissions to unregistered users... how about that? ;) |
| 03:17.26 | tannerld | hmm |
| 03:17.26 | argiopeweb | You can't be given a group by a server admin without being registered. |
| 03:17.26 | tannerld | April 27th - all hail the first computer mouse in 1981 |
| 03:17.26 | argiopeweb | And some servers don't give talk/spawn privs to unregistered. |
| 03:17.26 | argiopeweb | Blast already said that... |
| 03:17.27 | argiopeweb | <.< |
| 03:17.29 | blast007 | hehe |
| 03:17.29 | Epyon | The registration is per server? |
| 03:17.31 | tannerld | :D |
| 03:17.33 | blast007 | Epyon: no |
| 03:17.35 | argiopeweb | Not any more. |
| 03:17.37 | blast007 | it's on the forum |
| 03:17.45 | Epyon | Woah, where? :P |
| 03:17.59 | blast007 | then you use that username and password in the join window |
| 03:17.59 | blast007 | my.bzflag.org/bb/ |
| 03:17.59 | argiopeweb | my.bzflag.org/bb |
| 03:17.59 | argiopeweb | Damn you. |
| 03:18.00 | blast007 | :D |
| 03:18.03 | argiopeweb | You even got in the last / |
| 03:18.21 | Epyon | You mean the login/pass for the forum is the login/pass for the nick? |
| 03:18.30 | tannerld | yep |
| 03:18.31 | argiopeweb | Any servers up on the newest build? |
| 03:18.42 | blast007 | yeah |
| 03:18.50 | argiopeweb | Cool. |
| 03:19.04 | argiopeweb | Means I don't have to build one on my linux server. XD |
| 03:19.22 | argiopeweb | Is autopilot smarter in 2.1? |
| 03:19.26 | blast007 | nope |
| 03:19.29 | argiopeweb | Damn. |
| 03:19.29 | tannerld | heh |
| 03:19.37 | blast007 | as dumb as ever |
| 03:19.44 | argiopeweb | I bet someone put all of 30 minutes into it... |
| 03:20.11 | tannerld | george could use some work |
| 03:20.20 | blast007 | Roger* ;) |
| 03:20.33 | tannerld | george. |
| 03:20.36 | blast007 | bob! |
| 03:21.22 | Pumpernickel | Rupert? |
| 03:21.26 | tannerld | blasted! |
| 03:21.53 | a_meteorite | annoying dude |
| 03:22.05 | the_j0k3r | yeah |
| 03:22.24 | the_j0k3r | i was admin on a server he was at, i simply just discouraged him from coming back by continously /killing him |
| 03:22.26 | the_j0k3r | over and over again |
| 03:22.34 | the_j0k3r | no point being invincible if you cant spawn |
| 03:22.50 | argiopeweb | Did msvcpd.dll used to be required by BZ? |
| 03:23.03 | argiopeweb | OMFG |
| 03:23.04 | the_j0k3r | does muting disable the use of /clientquery? |
| 03:23.06 | argiopeweb | CRW? |
| 03:23.08 | argiopeweb | Wow. |
| 03:23.12 | argiopeweb | I do remember him now... |
| 03:23.55 | blast007 | the_j0k3r: don't think so |
| 03:24.00 | blast007 | but a ban does |
| 03:24.19 | the_j0k3r | mmm, but crw was on a dynamic ip or something wasnt he? i remember him coming back after bans |
| 03:24.35 | a_meteorite | yes |
| 03:24.35 | inchworm | he apperently has a new one |
| 03:24.42 | a_meteorite | he's got a proxy |
| 03:24.51 | inchworm | japan or something is where the latest is from |
| 03:25.14 | a_meteorite | the last one Tedius saw was a free dial-up company |
| 03:25.15 | the_j0k3r | mute in my opinion should stop the use of /clientquery as well. i remember he spammed using it |
| 03:25.31 | a_meteorite | the_j0k3r: it will count as spam |
| 03:25.42 | a_meteorite | and you can get kicked for it |
| 03:26.07 | the_j0k3r | youd think someone who can use a proxy to make their location appear in places like that, would waste his time hacking better things |
| 03:26.17 | the_j0k3r | only if you have a spam warning |
| 03:26.21 | a_meteorite | that's the thing, he has nothing better else to do |
| 03:27.41 | the_j0k3r | gah damn bigpond |
| 03:27.54 | the_j0k3r | i went over the 10 gigs limit, and they've capped me to like 24kbps |
| 03:27.57 | the_j0k3r | its just awful |
| 03:28.02 | a_meteorite | get dsl |
| 03:28.04 | a_meteorite | or cable |
| 03:28.10 | the_j0k3r | im on cable |
| 03:28.17 | the_j0k3r | just on a 10 gig limit, after that they cap me |
| 03:28.18 | a_meteorite | ... |
| 03:28.21 | the_j0k3r | i'm upgrading soon |
| 03:28.24 | a_meteorite | that's stupid |
| 03:28.27 | *** join/#bzflag Tedius (n=Tedius@76.205.116.99) |
| 03:28.30 | the_j0k3r | tell be about it |
| 03:28.33 | the_j0k3r | *me |
| 03:28.49 | the_j0k3r | think ill switch to iinet or internode. |
| 03:29.25 | argiopeweb | Two things: #1, you can /idban him and not have to worry about the ip, iirc. #2, you can disallow /clientquery in the groups file. Make a group called Silence, and then just add him to it... |
| 03:29.38 | *** join/#bzflag delusional_ (n=delusion@pool-151-201-245-209.pitt.east.verizon.net) |
| 03:29.38 | argiopeweb | Silence: !All |
| 03:29.48 | a_meteorite | argiopeweb: no, you can't idban him.. |
| 03:29.54 | argiopeweb | No? |
| 03:29.58 | blast007 | not registered |
| 03:30.02 | a_meteorite | idban only works on people who has registered at the forums |
| 03:30.08 | argiopeweb | Ah, of course. |
| 03:30.11 | argiopeweb | My bad. |
| 03:30.23 | a_meteorite | he tried to register once. he had that account taken under from him quickly |
| 03:30.25 | the_j0k3r | and incessant cheaters dont tend to register at the forums ;) |
| 03:30.33 | argiopeweb | No, I'd imagine not... |
| 03:30.43 | inchworm | hehe |
| 03:30.51 | argiopeweb | Oh... |
| 03:30.59 | inchworm | more than one server has contemplated going registered players only |
| 03:31.03 | argiopeweb | And you sort of can't add him to a group unregistered, can he. |
| 03:31.06 | argiopeweb | can you* |
| 03:31.08 | a_meteorite | nope |
| 03:31.19 | argiopeweb | Well that sucks hard. |
| 03:31.19 | a_meteorite | you can add his name to the bad words filter |
| 03:31.26 | a_meteorite | and it'll block that username |
| 03:31.33 | a_meteorite | he LOVES his name CRW |
| 03:31.47 | the_j0k3r | i dont know |
| 03:31.57 | the_j0k3r | its easier to recongise him when he is crw |
| 03:32.02 | blast007 | yup |
| 03:32.11 | inchworm | some of his others are equally disgusting |
| 03:32.44 | the_j0k3r | under a differnt name hed kill many people before getting found out |
| 03:32.44 | the_j0k3r | was he lord jesus or was that someone else? |
| 03:33.05 | the_j0k3r | oh and i dont know if you guys saw, but he advertised his site as well. bzflagcheat.blogspot.com |
| 03:33.20 | blast007 | no need to post the link... |
| 03:33.24 | the_j0k3r | sry |
| 03:33.25 | the_j0k3r | lol |
| 03:33.34 | a_meteorite | is he keeping it updated now? |
| 03:33.40 | the_j0k3r | i hope not |
| 03:33.48 | argiopeweb | Oh, btw metio, what was that all about at my server? |
| 03:33.52 | argiopeweb | <.< |
| 03:33.54 | the_j0k3r | last i saw he had some lame interview with jeffm... |
| 03:33.56 | a_meteorite | og great |
| 03:33.59 | argiopeweb | You're lucky I didn't /ban 0 |
| 03:34.02 | a_meteorite | yeah, he's BACK |
| 03:34.17 | a_meteorite | argiopeweb: huh? |
| 03:34.27 | Tedius | no, his site hasn't been updated |
| 03:34.34 | a_meteorite | Tedius: yes it has, there was a post today |
| 03:34.36 | blast007 | Tedius: yeah...it has |
| 03:34.40 | argiopeweb | Did you come to that wings map with the big pyramid and death weapons? |
| 03:34.41 | the_j0k3r | oh yuck. hes updated |
| 03:34.42 | Tedius | oh? |
| 03:34.53 | a_meteorite | argiopeweb: server name? |
| 03:34.56 | argiopeweb | ... |
| 03:34.59 | argiopeweb | Don't do this to me. :\ |
| 03:35.00 | a_meteorite | I went to a ton of servers /poll banning him |
| 03:35.11 | a_meteorite | and then CRW started using my name so says Tedius |
| 03:35.12 | Tedius | he added that since I checked 3 hours ago! |
| 03:35.25 | argiopeweb | Aerial dogfight. |
| 03:35.26 | a_meteorite | I'm beginning to think Molez is back in action |
| 03:35.32 | a_meteorite | argiopeweb: hmm, today? |
| 03:35.37 | argiopeweb | I kicked you because no one could kill you. |
| 03:35.41 | a_meteorite | that's not me |
| 03:35.43 | argiopeweb | And you had 400+ lag. |
| 03:35.43 | a_meteorite | that's CRW |
| 03:35.46 | argiopeweb | <.< |
| 03:35.48 | Tedius | lol |
| 03:35.48 | argiopeweb | Under your name? |
| 03:35.49 | a_meteorite | he's using my name now damnit |
| 03:35.50 | argiopeweb | Talented. |
| 03:35.52 | the_j0k3r | met: he used your name? |
| 03:35.53 | the_j0k3r | how? |
| 03:35.55 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 03:36.03 | a_meteorite | he just gets a '-' next to his callsign |
| 03:36.11 | the_j0k3r | oh, right |
| 03:36.19 | argiopeweb | I didn't notice the -... |
| 03:36.20 | a_meteorite | you can play under other people, as long as requireIdentify isn't set |
| 03:36.23 | argiopeweb | SO, that explains that. |
| 03:36.29 | a_meteorite | I don't cheat :P |
| 03:36.42 | a_meteorite | (requireIdentify is a permission, btw) |
| 03:36.46 | Tedius | When I saw the similar IP addresses I thought that a-meteorite masqueraded as CRW! |
| 03:36.48 | argiopeweb | I thought you might have been joking around since we'd been talking about it here. That's why I didn't ban. XD |
| 03:37.00 | a_meteorite | Tedius: my IP is nowhere similar, I am 75.* |
| 03:37.13 | a_meteorite | if you see anyone that is not registered claiming to be... |
| 03:37.20 | a_meteorite | *claiming to be me |
| 03:37.22 | a_meteorite | ban on sight |
| 03:37.39 | a_meteorite | cause I only play when I get logged in, unless of course auth services are down (you'll know) |
| 03:37.58 | argiopeweb | Yeah, I will. I'll make sure to check the playerlist next time. :\ |
| 03:38.11 | a_meteorite | this'll be a long night... and next week |
| 03:38.18 | a_meteorite | I remember last time molez went on his little power trip |
| 03:38.36 | argiopeweb | BTW, is there a way to make install on windows? It is such a pain copying all the extra little files... |
| 03:38.48 | a_meteorite | argiopeweb: there are installer makers |
| 03:38.49 | the_j0k3r | gosh, my computer hates lodxcols missile war |
| 03:38.56 | the_j0k3r | freezes whenever i enter |
| 03:39.02 | the_j0k3r | well, the client freezes |
| 03:39.04 | the_j0k3r | not the comptuer |
| 03:39.19 | argiopeweb | I do that on Lou's house map. |
| 03:40.46 | argiopeweb | Okay meteo, where are these installer makers? |
| 03:41.01 | argiopeweb | Enough is enough... |
| 03:41.06 | argiopeweb | App is failing to init. |
| 03:41.39 | a_meteorite | argiopeweb: um, I forget what they use.. |
| 03:41.44 | argiopeweb | <.< |
| 03:42.06 | the_j0k3r | google it, im sure youll come up with something :P |
| 03:42.39 | argiopeweb | Is there one good reason that I can't just make install? I can do it on mac... |
| 03:42.44 | argiopeweb | Makes a neat little package. |
| 03:42.53 | argiopeweb | All self contained and pretty. |
| 03:43.00 | a_meteorite | yeah, the reason is it's windows |
| 03:43.27 | a_meteorite | you have to do special steps for it :) |
| 03:43.34 | argiopeweb | ... |
| 03:43.36 | argiopeweb | That sucks. |
| 03:43.53 | a_meteorite | IIRC, they use NSIS |
| 03:44.00 | a_meteorite | or maybe it was talked about |
| 03:44.03 | a_meteorite | I can't remember.. |
| 03:44.24 | a_meteorite | (that was via a google search, and when I saw "NSIS" I went "oh! that rings a bell" |
| 03:44.38 | argiopeweb | ... |
| 03:44.49 | a_meteorite | hey I ain't the windows wizard :) |
| 03:44.53 | argiopeweb | Well, I guess I'll do it the old fashioned way and throw everything into a folder. XD |
| 03:45.04 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 03:45.13 | a_meteorite | that reminds me of 95% of the kids at school |
| 03:45.22 | a_meteorite | like 300 files in my documents with absolutely no organization :D |
| 03:45.38 | a_meteorite | I'm like "how do you find anything....?" |
| 03:45.47 | tannerld | lol |
| 03:45.52 | blast007 | I doubt NSIS will work for the EE stuff though |
| 03:46.09 | blast007 | for one, I don't think the EE is designed for distributing binaries |
| 03:47.01 | argiopeweb | Do I keep forgetting what EE means, or do I keep forgetting to ask? |
| 03:47.09 | a_meteorite | Express Edition |
| 03:47.32 | argiopeweb | Yep, I just keep forgetting... :\ |
| 03:47.45 | blast007 | you keep forgetting what it means ;) |
| 03:49.12 | *** join/#bzflag codergeek42_ (n=peter@fedora/codergeek42) |
| 03:50.08 | argiopeweb | Eh, I'm tired. Give me a break. :P |
| 03:50.22 | argiopeweb | And now BZ claims it can't find the fonts that are in the same freaking folder that it is in... |
| 03:51.04 | lodxcol | argiopeweb: move the fonts directory into the bin directory |
| 03:51.37 | argiopeweb | Is there a bin directory? I moved everything needed into a seperate Client directory... |
| 03:51.43 | argiopeweb | This is winsucks, btw. |
| 03:52.17 | tannerld | have you tried the font directory? |
| 03:52.54 | a_meteorite | argiopeweb: specify -directory |
| 03:53.06 | argiopeweb | What as meteo? |
| 03:53.15 | a_meteorite | wherever your data is |
| 03:53.21 | argiopeweb | Same folder... |
| 03:53.30 | a_meteorite | set it to that then |
| 03:53.36 | argiopeweb | Unless it expectes it to be in a folder called data. |
| 03:53.41 | argiopeweb | Which I guess it might. XD |
| 03:56.53 | argiopeweb | Well look at that. I put it in the Data folder, and now it works. XD |
| 03:57.01 | tannerld | :P |
| 03:57.36 | argiopeweb | BTW, in the 2.1 release made on the forums, none of the special (sw, L) shots worked. I'm betting that's because they got moved serverside and hadn't been fixed. |
| 03:57.41 | argiopeweb | Am I right? |
| 03:58.20 | inchworm | don't think so, because all the servers you see when running 2.1 are 2.1 servers as well |
| 03:58.40 | blast007 | that's probably just because it was broke at the time |
| 03:58.46 | inchworm | well you could be right that it isn't all working right yet |
| 03:59.05 | blast007 | it works right now |
| 03:59.19 | blast007 | or it should |
| 03:59.19 | blast007 | I think I fixed the spots it didn't |
| 03:59.19 | blast007 | jeff fixed the main areas |
| 04:00.55 | argiopeweb | Yeah, I was running the server/client provided on the forums... I didn't expect much of it. XD |
| 04:04.08 | argiopeweb | Any of y'all have the latest client and want to hop on one of the new servers? |
| 04:04.14 | argiopeweb | I'd like to see how gameplay is going... |
| 04:04.43 | argiopeweb | Hmm, most of the servers on the list don't work. :\ |
| 04:05.27 | binaryspike | I have a 2.1 on my other winodws |
| 04:06.10 | argiopeweb | 2.1.13? |
| 04:06.17 | *** join/#bzflag CRWheelchair (n=john@ip68-105-98-187.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 04:06.24 | binaryspike | I don't think so |
| 04:06.31 | binaryspike | my other windows is half apart on the floor :P |
| 04:06.54 | argiopeweb | XD |
| 04:07.02 | argiopeweb | Good place for windows to be. |
| 04:07.53 | lodxcol | hello, CRWheelchair |
| 04:08.02 | a_meteorite | O_o |
| 04:08.06 | argiopeweb | ... |
| 04:08.14 | Pumpernickel | dotdotdot |
| 04:08.15 | a_meteorite | CRWheelchair: you done having fun using my name? |
| 04:10.03 | argiopeweb | Wow. Experiemental graphics are cewl. |
| 04:10.16 | a_meteorite | yes they are |
| 04:10.26 | argiopeweb | Think there's any particular reason that I'm getting jitter on all the servers in 2.1.13? |
| 04:10.40 | argiopeweb | ~30. |
| 04:10.50 | CRWheelchair | Greetings. |
| 04:11.03 | argiopeweb | Hi. |
| 04:11.07 | lodxcol | hello! |
| 04:12.53 | the_j0k3r | ooh. looks like i came back at the right time |
| 04:13.13 | CRWheelchair | a_meteorite: What's cooking? |
| 04:13.31 | blast007 | smells like chicken |
| 04:13.36 | a_meteorite | My ban fingers |
| 04:13.43 | the_j0k3r | ooh |
| 04:14.11 | the_j0k3r | so your right index, and your left pinky. if you touch type. |
| 04:14.39 | binaryspike | left index as well |
| 04:14.52 | binaryspike | and if you were typing a / it would be right pinky |
| 04:14.55 | a_meteorite | whatever gets the job don |
| 04:14.57 | binaryspike | so left and right index and pinky |
| 04:15.06 | binaryspike | or you could chicken poke it |
| 04:15.12 | binaryspike | or type with your nose |
| 04:15.16 | the_j0k3r | yes, but then id have to include the /ban christopher etc. and that would include all the finger |
| 04:15.18 | the_j0k3r | s |
| 04:15.43 | the_j0k3r | hmm. do you normally press b with your right index or left? i use my right... |
| 04:15.52 | argiopeweb | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:16.01 | argiopeweb | Makes everything easy. :P |
| 04:16.08 | binaryspike | ./ban 127.0.0.1 works too |
| 04:16.16 | argiopeweb | Nah, that one isn't nice. :\ |
| 04:16.23 | binaryspike | yeah I had an admin do that once |
| 04:16.27 | argiopeweb | <.< |
| 04:16.38 | argiopeweb | That wasn't smart of him. |
| 04:16.50 | binaryspike | not at all l;) |
| 04:16.56 | a_meteorite | one word: antiBan |
| 04:17.03 | argiopeweb | ++ |
| 04:17.08 | binaryspike | one word: antiban didn't exist |
| 04:17.11 | argiopeweb | Though it can lead to problems from time to time. |
| 04:17.21 | *** join/#bzflag biggeruniverse (n=biggerun@adsl-68-90-161-137.dsl.ksc2mo.swbell.net) |
| 04:17.26 | binaryspike | hmm maybe it did in 2.0.0? |
| 04:17.36 | binaryspike | the server wasn't setup for perms though |
| 04:17.38 | binaryspike | we used /password |
| 04:17.42 | argiopeweb | Wowz. |
| 04:17.49 | a_meteorite | antiBan changed in 2.0.5, iirc |
| 04:18.01 | binaryspike | they need an antilagkick |
| 04:18.07 | argiopeweb | XD |
| 04:18.25 | argiopeweb | It's probably just a couple of copy/pastes away.... |
| 04:18.33 | the_j0k3r | antiCRWheelchair |
| 04:18.36 | argiopeweb | Just copy the code for the other antifoos |
| 04:18.51 | binaryspike | no not that easy, but you have the right idea argiopeweb |
| 04:18.57 | argiopeweb | That'll come standard with 2.2. |
| 04:19.07 | binaryspike | that's if someone does it ;) |
| 04:19.18 | argiopeweb | Well, yeah, you have to change some stuff in the copy/pastes too, but that's beside the point. :P |
| 04:19.24 | binaryspike | I still need to get up off my bum and submit a patch for EMP Pulse Cannon |
| 04:19.27 | argiopeweb | I'll do it. |
| 04:19.34 | argiopeweb | EMP pulse cannon? |
| 04:19.35 | argiopeweb | <.< |
| 04:19.38 | binaryspike | Yeah it's a flag I made |
| 04:19.42 | argiopeweb | Cool. |
| 04:19.49 | binaryspike | You shoot and when bullets get close they jam radar |
| 04:19.50 | a_meteorite | you gotta find every place that the perm must be checked for and add that check |
| 04:19.59 | a_meteorite | and the way bzfs' source is organized... not an easy feat |
| 04:20.00 | the_j0k3r | would the bullets be slower? |
| 04:20.07 | a_meteorite | the_j0k3r: no |
| 04:20.18 | argiopeweb | 3 steps: Compile (patched) SVN. Make map. Host map. |
| 04:20.19 | binaryspike | the_j0k3r it's a server setting |
| 04:20.30 | CRWheelchair | a_meteorite: there's a few new articles at bzflagcheat.blogspot.com. I'm sure you will be delighted with the newest one. |
| 04:20.32 | CRWheelchair | :) |
| 04:20.42 | a_meteorite | don't post that link here, it is forbidden |
| 04:20.47 | argiopeweb | a_meteorite: The wonders of grep++ |
| 04:21.01 | argiopeweb | Just see which lines they're on, and go add them in. |
| 04:21.07 | argiopeweb | Easy as pie. |
| 04:21.16 | argiopeweb | Might take a bit though... |
| 04:21.20 | binaryspike | argiopeweb, project search and replace |
| 04:21.20 | a_meteorite | CRWheelchair: and seriously, DB or molez, I really don't need to read your stuff. it doesn't interest me. |
| 04:21.48 | argiopeweb | I don't typically use IDEs binary. :P |
| 04:21.57 | argiopeweb | But you don't want to replace. |
| 04:22.03 | argiopeweb | You just want to find and add. |
| 04:22.16 | binaryspike | well find and replace is the dialog you want to use |
| 04:22.16 | the_j0k3r | i thought a good flag idcea would be for bullets to pass through teleporters without teleporting. but i'm a few years away from being skilled enough to make it |
| 04:22.20 | binaryspike | cause you would change something like |
| 04:22.29 | binaryspike | kick("lag", player->id); |
| 04:22.39 | binaryspike | kick("lag", player->id); |
| 04:22.41 | binaryspike | oops |
| 04:22.48 | binaryspike | add before... |
| 04:23.06 | binaryspike | if (player->perm == antilag) break; |
| 04:23.09 | CRWheelchair | Well, you folks have a good evening. |
| 04:23.12 | binaryspike | I'm way off, but you get the idea |
| 04:23.16 | *** part/#bzflag CRWheelchair (n=john@ip68-105-98-187.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 04:24.09 | argiopeweb | Right, right. |
| 04:24.13 | argiopeweb | I see what you're saying. |
| 04:25.01 | argiopeweb | the_j0k3r: That also already exists as a teleport option in the code. It would (probably) be relatively easy to do now that shots are handled by the server. |
| 04:25.50 | *** join/#bzflag Hannibal (n=aaronsal@unaffiliated/hannibal) |
| 04:25.54 | argiopeweb | Again, it'd be a good bit of typing, but it wouldn't be that hard. |
| 04:27.40 | binaryspike | argio, it would be very simple ;) |
| 04:27.43 | the_j0k3r | i make the suggestion because it means little to have one that everyone can shoot through, but a lot to have one that only you can shoot through |
| 04:27.46 | binaryspike | add the flag (which isn't hard) |
| 04:27.48 | binaryspike | then add the check |
| 04:28.17 | binaryspike | oh add the shot type as well* |
| 04:28.25 | binaryspike | then use the check based on the shot type |
| 04:29.30 | binaryspike | in the segment calculations, if the shot type is .. tele-pass(?) then don't calculate the warp |
| 04:30.24 | argiopeweb | Hehe, that's even more simple than how I was going to do it... |
| 04:31.08 | binaryspike | Yes I know the file "SegmentedShotStrategy.cxx" very well :P |
| 04:31.35 | argiopeweb | I wasn't even going to bother with a new shot type. Check if player.flag() == TP, if it does let it pass through the tele... |
| 04:31.38 | argiopeweb | Simple and easy. |
| 04:31.54 | binaryspike | that would conflict in 2.1 |
| 04:31.59 | argiopeweb | But of course, I don't know the BZ code at all. |
| 04:32.05 | argiopeweb | REally? |
| 04:32.08 | argiopeweb | Why? |
| 04:32.16 | binaryspike | in 2.1 flags and shot types will be seperate |
| 04:32.20 | argiopeweb | Oh, of course. |
| 04:32.22 | argiopeweb | My bad. |
| 04:32.33 | binaryspike | so you can associate the effects of WG and the shot type of SW to a tank |
| 04:32.36 | argiopeweb | I looked back at what I had written and said, "Duh, that's client side..." |
| 04:32.40 | binaryspike | aka have WG and SW at the same time |
| 04:32.44 | argiopeweb | Right. |
| 04:32.44 | binaryspike | plugins will be able to do that |
| 04:32.50 | argiopeweb | Cool. :) |
| 04:33.03 | the_j0k3r | im sure that will make for some intersting maps. |
| 04:33.06 | argiopeweb | Question: |
| 04:33.06 | binaryspike | if you add the shot type, then you could associate WG with that bullet type |
| 04:33.21 | binaryspike | if you use the flag type, then you couldn't have WG and TP at the same time |
| 04:33.46 | argiopeweb | If you had shot-type GM, but no flag, would you be able to target? |
| 04:33.47 | binaryspike | shot type is just as easy as making a flag (edit an enum, fix a case... done) |
| 04:33.49 | argiopeweb | I'd imagine not. |
| 04:34.16 | binaryspike | If shot types were calculated in the targetting section of playing.cxx then yes |
| 04:34.37 | binaryspike | and that's no protocol break, so if a map tried it and it didn't work, the devs could fix it |
| 04:34.40 | argiopeweb | I thought they were going to be calculated by the server from now on. |
| 04:34.52 | binaryspike | no I mean... |
| 04:35.11 | binaryspike | when you hit the identify button, playing.cxx see's if you have GM and if so you target, if not you identify |
| 04:35.20 | argiopeweb | Ah. |
| 04:35.22 | argiopeweb | I see. |
| 04:35.38 | argiopeweb | Does it check for flag GM, or shot-type GM? |
| 04:35.42 | binaryspike | So if it checked shot type, then yes it would target, if it checks flag type, then no it would not target. |
| 04:35.46 | binaryspike | I have no clue ;) |
| 04:35.53 | argiopeweb | XD |
| 04:35.55 | binaryspike | hey! I can use SourceForge to browse |
| 04:35.58 | binaryspike | one sec... |
| 04:35.59 | argiopeweb | Yep. |
| 04:36.02 | argiopeweb | Sure can. :) |
| 04:36.06 | argiopeweb | YOu can even search. |
| 04:37.20 | binaryspike | playing.cxx is soooo large >.< |
| 04:37.32 | argiopeweb | I say it should check both... If (shottype == GM || flagtype == GM) { lock_on_CRW() } |
| 04:37.32 | binaryspike | I had a 2.5mb ./configure file for this one project I was working on |
| 04:37.38 | argiopeweb | hehe |
| 04:38.09 | argiopeweb | Ooh. |
| 04:38.10 | binaryspike | oooooooooooooooooooh |
| 04:38.12 | argiopeweb | Coding errors FTW. |
| 04:38.19 | binaryspike | ((myTank->getFlag() == Flags::GuidedMissile) ||// am i locking on? |
| 04:38.21 | argiopeweb | No ; at the ent of lock on... |
| 04:38.31 | argiopeweb | Yep. |
| 04:38.36 | argiopeweb | It goes by flag. :\ |
| 04:38.44 | binaryspike | that's a very long if field |
| 04:38.58 | binaryspike | there shouldn't be an ; in the middle of an if field ;) |
| 04:39.02 | argiopeweb | Though really, will the client ever know shot type? |
| 04:39.12 | binaryspike | yeah the client knows |
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| 04:39.21 | argiopeweb | No, I meant the ; at the end of lock_on_CRW(). |
| 04:39.28 | binaryspike | ooh, silly :P |
| 04:39.37 | argiopeweb | How? Sent by the server? |
| 04:40.10 | binaryspike | one sec |
| 04:40.17 | argiopeweb | kk |
| 04:40.49 | binaryspike | I'm not sure, if shots are built clientwise in 2.1 or server wise |
| 04:40.58 | argiopeweb | Hmm. |
| 04:41.02 | argiopeweb | Oh. |
| 04:41.16 | argiopeweb | Does the server handle shot, or does the server handle collisions? |
| 04:42.20 | argiopeweb | Hmm, well, to avoid cheating I'd actually do both. XD |
| 04:42.27 | binaryspike | Client handle's collisions as far as I know |
| 04:42.38 | argiopeweb | They shouldn't... |
| 04:42.47 | argiopeweb | That makes God mode very easy. |
| 04:42.53 | binaryspike | I worked on implementing a check in the server or collisions |
| 04:42.55 | argiopeweb | Just comment out the collision code... |
| 04:42.55 | binaryspike | it is very very easy ;) |
| 04:43.02 | argiopeweb | Yeah. |
| 04:43.21 | binaryspike | There was OpenGL specific code I couldn't pull out easily, so I gave up |
| 04:43.56 | argiopeweb | If (bullet->position == tank->position || stuff here for the areas around it) { kill(tank); } |
| 04:44.06 | argiopeweb | Easy as pie. :P |
| 04:44.36 | binaryspike | no a little more complicated than that |
| 04:44.59 | binaryspike | nodeath (godmode) means you are invincible to SR as well |
| 04:45.02 | argiopeweb | Well, as I said, I know nothing about the BZflag code... |
| 04:45.24 | argiopeweb | Ooh, so we have to comment out two lines. XD |
| 04:45.30 | binaryspike | about 30 |
| 04:45.37 | argiopeweb | Okay, fine. |
| 04:45.40 | argiopeweb | 30 it is. |
| 04:45.52 | argiopeweb | But still, that's only 4 C style comments. |
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| 04:47.09 | argiopeweb | But yeah, I think (even though this'll put a bit extra strain on the server) that both shots movement and collision should be handled server side. |
| 04:47.42 | a_meteorite | argiopeweb: it's becoming that way in 2.1 |
| 04:47.50 | biggeruniverse | everything should be handled server-side |
| 04:47.53 | argiopeweb | Oh, good. |
| 04:48.06 | binaryspike | Yes ;) |
| 04:48.13 | binaryspike | that's why I haven't released EMP Pulse Cannon |
| 04:48.20 | a_meteorite | I should make a plugin that auto-kills players |
| 04:48.23 | binaryspike | Jeff said that it would be best if radar updates like that were server side |
| 04:48.27 | a_meteorite | /autokill "Christopher Reeves Wheelchair" |
| 04:48.34 | a_meteorite | everytime they spawn they get killed |
| 04:48.38 | binaryspike | meteorite: why do you always make mean plugins? |
| 04:48.45 | binaryspike | I could easily see that being used for bad |
| 04:49.03 | a_meteorite | well, then, that server is not worth playing at then |
| 04:49.07 | binaryspike | btw you can't /kill under certain conditions |
| 04:49.08 | biggeruniverse | mean plugins suck bandwidth |
| 04:49.22 | a_meteorite | binaryspike: you can /kill them if they are spawned |
| 04:49.24 | binaryspike | constant flag resets suck bandwidth :P |
| 04:49.30 | argiopeweb | hehe |
| 04:49.31 | binaryspike | meteorite, no not always |
| 04:49.32 | argiopeweb | Yeah. |
| 04:49.46 | a_meteorite | kick em if they are still alive then |
| 04:49.54 | binaryspike | that is possible |
| 04:50.03 | a_meteorite | argiopeweb: what's your upload? |
| 04:50.03 | binaryspike | but there are ways to block bans |
| 04:50.10 | binaryspike | kick is the only thing that would work |
| 04:50.14 | argiopeweb | Not sure that I have one... |
| 04:50.16 | a_meteorite | binaryspike: block bans? |
| 04:50.31 | a_meteorite | argiopeweb: you have upload.. but only so much |
| 04:50.40 | argiopeweb | Of course. |
| 04:50.49 | argiopeweb | It's just not a known variable. |
| 04:50.55 | a_meteorite | err |
| 04:50.57 | binaryspike | a_meteaorite: yes you can effectivly block a ban if you are currently on the server when they /ban you |
| 04:51.13 | binaryspike | wait... |
| 04:51.14 | argiopeweb | I imagine I'd find out if I ran enough servers... |
| 04:51.15 | a_meteorite | binaryspike: no, the server loops through all players checking them when you /ban |
| 04:51.30 | binaryspike | No I'm sorry I'm wrong, /kicks can be blocked, but /bans can't |
| 04:51.31 | a_meteorite | argiopeweb: do a speed test |
| 04:51.36 | argiopeweb | Oh. |
| 04:51.39 | argiopeweb | I see what you mean. |
| 04:51.54 | argiopeweb | 5.4 megabytes per second. |
| 04:52.04 | binaryspike | upload? or download? |
| 04:52.08 | a_meteorite | binaryspike: what? I bet the server forcefully disconnects the socket... |
| 04:52.13 | a_meteorite | megaBYTES?! |
| 04:52.17 | argiopeweb | Coming off the server. |
| 04:52.19 | argiopeweb | And yes. |
| 04:52.21 | argiopeweb | Bytes. |
| 04:52.24 | binaryspike | that's download |
| 04:52.29 | a_meteorite | what's your upload? |
| 04:52.37 | argiopeweb | Should be the same. |
| 04:52.37 | binaryspike | that's how fast you can send a file to the server |
| 04:52.39 | argiopeweb | Cable++ |
| 04:52.40 | a_meteorite | binaryspike: 5.4mB/s is a LOT |
| 04:52.46 | argiopeweb | Yep. |
| 04:52.47 | a_meteorite | that's 40Mbit/s |
| 04:52.50 | a_meteorite | more than that |
| 04:52.51 | argiopeweb | Let me check that again... |
| 04:52.59 | a_meteorite | argiopeweb: You got a server I can get an account on? |
| 04:53.10 | binaryspike | a_meteorite: it was a 2.0.8 server that tried to /kick me |
| 04:53.15 | binaryspike | the guy ended up /ban'ing me |
| 04:53.17 | argiopeweb | BZ account? |
| 04:53.26 | a_meteorite | shell account for server hosting :P |
| 04:53.29 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 04:53.29 | argiopeweb | hehe |
| 04:53.31 | argiopeweb | No. |
| 04:53.32 | argiopeweb | :P |
| 04:53.36 | a_meteorite | aw darn |
| 04:53.51 | a_meteorite | BZFX is in need of one badly |
| 04:55.15 | binaryspike | meteorite if you could afford $7 a month we could get one together |
| 04:55.15 | a_meteorite | for how much upload? |
| 04:55.15 | a_meteorite | and bandwidth? |
| 04:55.15 | argiopeweb | Okay, I'm wrong. :( |
| 04:55.15 | argiopeweb | You're right, it's mbps. |
| 04:55.15 | argiopeweb | It's been too long since I looked. :\ |
| 04:55.21 | argiopeweb | I get 4.7 off the laptop. XD |
| 04:55.30 | a_meteorite | 4.7 upload megabit/s? |
| 04:55.36 | argiopeweb | Yup. |
| 04:55.41 | argiopeweb | 802.11G wireless. |
| 04:55.44 | a_meteorite | :o |
| 04:55.55 | a_meteorite | I can live off of 2Mbit/s |
| 04:56.04 | argiopeweb | And I get easily twice that on the other servers... |
| 04:56.28 | argiopeweb | It claims 284kbps up, but I don't believe it... |
| 04:56.36 | biggeruniverse | I can live off 14.4k, because I know Tao of internet usage |
| 04:56.41 | a_meteorite | that sounds more right |
| 04:56.57 | binaryspike | I have around 284kbps up |
| 04:57.09 | binaryspike | at max I have more |
| 04:57.16 | binaryspike | but I don't always have a max connection, being wireless |
| 04:57.22 | argiopeweb | Right. |
| 04:57.28 | argiopeweb | I don't run servers on my wireless. |
| 04:57.32 | argiopeweb | So I'm always up. |
| 04:57.39 | binaryspike | Nono, I'm not talking about wifi |
| 04:57.47 | binaryspike | I have an antenna I connect to |
| 04:57.52 | binaryspike | that connects to my ISP |
| 04:57.56 | argiopeweb | Unless everyone in Melbourne decides to get on the internet at once... Then the broadband slows down. |
| 04:58.02 | binaryspike | I thought it was called "broadband" but someone set me straight |
| 04:58.10 | argiopeweb | hehe |
| 04:58.19 | argiopeweb | I use it as a generic term. |
| 04:58.20 | binaryspike | yeah I get baad lag on friday nights |
| 04:58.24 | binaryspike | me too |
| 04:58.29 | argiopeweb | I was having bad lag today... |
| 04:58.48 | a_meteorite | Num3rs is coming on soon, cya guys |
| 04:58.55 | binaryspike | Num3rs? |
| 04:59.05 | argiopeweb | I had 8 players on Aerial, and 7 on hydro. All the numbers were between 150 and 250. :( |
| 04:59.06 | a_meteorite | CBS show |
| 04:59.07 | binaryspike | Cya... |
| 04:59.13 | binaryspike | ooh |
| 04:59.31 | argiopeweb | Actually, I had more on both at that point. |
| 04:59.33 | argiopeweb | My bad. |
| 04:59.43 | argiopeweb | It's starting to look better. :P |
| 04:59.50 | binaryspike | I get around 170 as my normal lag, but when it gets bad it stays around 300 :-/ |
| 04:59.56 | argiopeweb | <.< |
| 04:59.57 | argiopeweb | Wow. |
| 05:00.09 | argiopeweb | My servers lagkick at 300... |
| 05:00.17 | binaryspike | most servers do |
| 05:00.22 | biggeruniverse | that's bad |
| 05:00.24 | binaryspike | I am thinking of getting cable internet |
| 05:00.27 | argiopeweb | But I have people from western europe who get >100 lag... |
| 05:00.37 | argiopeweb | Really effing fast cable here. |
| 05:00.59 | biggeruniverse | DSL, all the way |
| 05:01.06 | binaryspike | DSL is slow :-/ |
| 05:01.09 | binaryspike | and not always reliable |
| 05:01.12 | argiopeweb | Yeah. |
| 05:01.19 | argiopeweb | But it doesn't slow down with lots of users. |
| 05:01.23 | binaryspike | DSL would be my last choice ;) |
| 05:01.36 | argiopeweb | No, Satellite would. |
| 05:01.38 | biggeruniverse | nope, and I pay for static IPs, which is much easier on DSL |
| 05:01.40 | binaryspike | "doesn't slow down with lots of users" is based on the upload speed of your internet |
| 05:01.57 | argiopeweb | No, it's based on the technology used... |
| 05:01.58 | binaryspike | biggeruniverse: my router automatically sets my IP |
| 05:01.59 | biggeruniverse | I rarely have problems with availability |
| 05:02.03 | binaryspike | on no-ip |
| 05:02.05 | argiopeweb | DSL is a dedicatedline. Cable is shared. |
| 05:02.10 | binaryspike | so ppl just connect to binary.servegame.com |
| 05:02.33 | binaryspike | I had VNC running day-before yesterday! it was awesome! |
| 05:02.41 | biggeruniverse | binaryspike: I have my own mail and DNS servers for my domains- it's advantageous to have statics |
| 05:02.58 | binaryspike | yeah in that case it is |
| 05:03.09 | argiopeweb | Yeah, static is nice... But I manage with dynamic somehow. |
| 05:03.14 | binaryspike | although if I had a job and lived in a decent town, I would have T1 |
| 05:03.23 | argiopeweb | Of course, I almost constantly ping yahoo so that my IP doesn't get reset... |
| 05:03.33 | binaryspike | eh? |
| 05:03.37 | argiopeweb | Haven't changed IPs in 4 months.. |
| 05:03.49 | argiopeweb | They won't reset the IP on an active line. |
| 05:03.51 | biggeruniverse | T1 isn't really any better than DSL, and you have to be careful of provider bandwidth limits- it's only going to be factional T1 |
| 05:03.59 | argiopeweb | So, if you keep it active they don't reset it... |
| 05:04.00 | binaryspike | my IP only resets when lightning strikes the internet tower and blows out this half of our cities internet :P |
| 05:04.19 | argiopeweb | Yeah, that's basically what it takes here... |
| 05:04.24 | binaryspike | bigger, can you get DSL that's fast? aka enough to host a server? |
| 05:04.33 | argiopeweb | Yes. |
| 05:04.36 | biggeruniverse | certainly |
| 05:04.48 | argiopeweb | You can get DSL that's as fast as cable. |
| 05:04.52 | binaryspike | like 10-20 megabits? |
| 05:05.01 | argiopeweb | You just have to be really close to the central office. |
| 05:05.05 | biggeruniverse | I just have a standard 284k/1.5m ADSL link, but you can pay for more |
| 05:05.08 | argiopeweb | A T1 isn't 10-20 mgbps... |
| 05:05.13 | biggeruniverse | not at all |
| 05:05.16 | binaryspike | I used to live across the street from the dial-up office :P |
| 05:05.26 | binaryspike | oh really? |
| 05:05.30 | binaryspike | I didn't know T1 was so bad... |
| 05:05.43 | argiopeweb | It's 1.5mpbs, iirc. |
| 05:05.57 | argiopeweb | T3 is 20ish. |
| 05:06.03 | binaryspike | ok so a T3 :P |
| 05:06.03 | argiopeweb | I'd have to look it back up to be sure. |
| 05:06.13 | argiopeweb | Those things aren't cheap... |
| 05:06.22 | binaryspike | Or I could buy a dedicated hosting like I'm trying to ;) |
| 05:06.43 | binaryspike | can't afford it atm, just bought my new computer |
| 05:06.46 | biggeruniverse | anyway, if you're wishing, wish for sonet |
| 05:06.52 | argiopeweb | 1.544 Mbit/s |
| 05:06.55 | argiopeweb | There you go. |
| 05:07.06 | argiopeweb | Per line. |
| 05:07.07 | biggeruniverse | or an OC-3 |
| 05:07.11 | argiopeweb | and you can have multiple lines. |
| 05:07.17 | argiopeweb | OC-3 == rocks. |
| 05:07.38 | binaryspike | Oc cheaper than T3? |
| 05:07.44 | *** join/#bzflag Flash (n=jwmelto@unaffiliated/flash) |
| 05:07.54 | argiopeweb | No. |
| 05:07.56 | argiopeweb | Not at all. |
| 05:08.01 | a_meteorite | T3 is 45Mbit/s |
| 05:08.10 | a_meteorite | (commercial) |
| 05:08.19 | argiopeweb | 44.736* |
| 05:08.26 | a_meteorite | yeah.. but not 20 :P |
| 05:08.33 | argiopeweb | OC-3 is 155.52 |
| 05:08.33 | biggeruniverse | OC-3 is 155.5Mbps |
| 05:08.36 | a_meteorite | a T3 runs about $2,500/month |
| 05:08.41 | a_meteorite | give or take |
| 05:08.42 | binaryspike | :-o |
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| 05:08.50 | jude- | hello all |
| 05:08.56 | biggeruniverse | hey jude |
| 05:08.57 | binaryspike | Hello jude- |
| 05:08.58 | a_meteorite | Numbers is probably back on |
| 05:09.06 | biggeruniverse | take a sad song, and make it better |
| 05:09.09 | jude- | lol |
| 05:09.42 | biggeruniverse | Flash! |
| 05:09.46 | argiopeweb | Okay folks, I've got an early morning, so I need to go to sleep. |
| 05:09.58 | jude- | good night argiopeweb |
| 05:10.02 | purple_cow | guess it's that time of the month when everybody parrots their knowledge of telecom links |
| 05:10.05 | argiopeweb | Heck of a lot to do tomorrow too... |
| 05:10.06 | argiopeweb | :\ |
| 05:10.12 | argiopeweb | Hey Jude. |
| 05:10.12 | Flash | yes? |
| 05:10.23 | argiopeweb | :P |
| 05:10.31 | jude- | purple_cow, what do you mean? |
| 05:10.41 | biggeruniverse | let me change my bandwitdh pad... |
| 05:10.46 | purple_cow | jude-: you missed the conversation |
| 05:10.47 | biggeruniverse | *bandwidth |
| 05:10.54 | argiopeweb | We just finished a discussion on speeds of various internet connections... |
| 05:10.58 | jude- | ah |
| 05:10.59 | binaryspike | cya argio |
| 05:11.09 | binaryspike | yes I was getting a learning ;) |
| 05:11.13 | argiopeweb | T3 is 44.736 Mbits/s, just to let you know. :P |
| 05:11.21 | jude- | alrighty then |
| 05:11.24 | biggeruniverse | So Flash, I finally let everyone know what I have been working on ;) |
| 05:11.33 | Flash | what's that? |
| 05:11.33 | argiopeweb | I'm leaving before I get sucked back in... |
| 05:11.37 | argiopeweb | Arrivaderci. |
| 05:11.38 | *** part/#bzflag argiopeweb (i=tIRC@user-0c6supj.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 05:11.57 | biggeruniverse | my rewrite of bzfs |
| 05:12.07 | Flash | oh... I didn't know that was a secret |
| 05:12.18 | biggeruniverse | have you been telling everyone!?!? |
| 05:12.21 | Flash | lol |
| 05:12.42 | biggeruniverse | may you have incurable and bad jitter! |
| 05:13.33 | binaryspike | What are you working on? |
| 05:14.09 | biggeruniverse | Nothing BZ-related right now. I'm in limbo while others decide what to do with me. |
| 05:15.17 | binaryspike | quick! you know how to get the window size in SDL? |
| 05:15.37 | binaryspike | BUZZ!!! |
| 05:15.38 | binaryspike | :P |
| 05:15.49 | biggeruniverse | use the correct SDL command |
| 05:16.05 | biggeruniverse | ask nicely? |
| 05:16.21 | binaryspike | lol :P |
| 05:16.31 | binaryspike | Please? |
| 05:16.33 | binaryspike | :P |
| 05:16.45 | binaryspike | SDL_GetWMInfo(), but that function is not in the docs |
| 05:17.04 | biggeruniverse | I know what it is because I set iit |
| 05:17.37 | binaryspike | yes but what if someone resizes the window? |
| 05:17.48 | jude- | use the event handling loop |
| 05:17.55 | jude- | lemme look up some of my SDL code... |
| 05:17.55 | biggeruniverse | turn off window resizing |
| 05:17.59 | biggeruniverse | they shouldn't do that |
| 05:19.43 | jude- | here we go--while polling events with SDL_PollEvent, handle the SDL_VIDEORESIZE event type. Then, your new width and height are in event.resize.w and event.resize.h |
| 05:20.43 | binaryspike | Hey... you didn't have to do that... |
| 05:20.46 | jude- | while ( SDL_PollEvent(&event)) { switch (event.type) { case SDL_VIDEORESIZE: /* ... */ } } |
| 05:20.50 | binaryspike | Thank you :) |
| 05:21.05 | jude- | np :) |
| 05:22.08 | binaryspike | switch statements are my worste nightmare |
| 05:22.19 | purple_cow | ? |
| 05:22.22 | binaryspike | first program I ever made I missed a break; and couldn't figure it out for three days what I had done wrong |
| 05:22.27 | jude- | if/then works well too :) |
| 05:23.36 | jude- | heh--been there, binaryspike :) |
| 05:23.49 | jude- | although omitting breaks can be advantageous... |
| 05:24.00 | jude- | i.e. to handle multiple cases without duplicating code |
| 05:24.05 | binaryspike | yes exactly :) |
| 05:24.11 | binaryspike | I used that specifically in iBZEdit |
| 05:24.44 | jude- | there ya go :) |
| 05:28.11 | biggeruniverse | ? |
| 05:29.24 | binaryspike | I used overlapping case statements in my program on purpose |
| 05:32.21 | binaryspike | remembering to include the font works ;) |
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| 05:34.27 | binaryspike | remembering to initilize the fonts works just as well :) |
| 05:36.10 | delusional_ | try to stay away from the word hate, please |
| 05:36.56 | delusional_ | find some other word that's more accurate for your feeling |
| 05:38.09 | binaryspike | despise? |
| 05:38.53 | binaryspike | I had to have a devide by zero check in my program because windows doesn't handle it |
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| 05:39.56 | binaryspike | I have never *ever* thought about devide by zero till a little dialog box came up and said "Tried to devide by zero" |
| 05:40.01 | L4m3r | yeah, sadly, backwards compatibility has Windows on a short leash |
| 05:40.53 | jude- | this is why I like Linux |
| 05:41.23 | jude- | no planned obsolesence |
| 05:41.33 | L4m3r | unfortunately linux does not seem to like ME at the moment, but yes, I like it too |
| 05:41.45 | jude- | sorry to hear that. which distros have you tried? |
| 05:41.59 | L4m3r | Debian is my favorite |
| 05:42.04 | jude- | same here |
| 05:42.10 | binaryspike | Debian was ok, I want Suse reaally bad |
| 05:42.11 | indonesia | debian rulez :) |
| 05:42.23 | L4m3r | I'm just annoyed because it hosed itself two nights ago |
| 05:42.43 | jude- | Suse is potentially contaminated with MS IP, so I stay away from it |
| 05:43.16 | L4m3r | not anymore than any other linux, I think |
| 05:43.30 | L4m3r | M$ will be nice to Novell for cooperating with them |
| 05:43.50 | L4m3r | unfortunately they don't seem to understand the modular nature of linux |
| 05:44.01 | jude- | heh--tis true |
| 05:44.14 | L4m3r | They'll be whacking at moles as they find them, but they're not going to do any real damage :) |
| 05:44.18 | jude- | the moment MS mentions what infringes, Linux can just drop the infringing code and rewrite |
| 05:44.35 | L4m3r | or just drop the infringing app/applet/chunk |
| 05:44.44 | jude- | that too :) |
| 05:44.58 | L4m3r | odds are pretty slim that linux itself is the culprit, since linux is just a kernel |
| 05:45.15 | jude- | true |
| 05:45.25 | L4m3r | they'll sue the pants off whatever project they find is infringing, and then go "Uh... now what?" |
| 05:45.49 | jude- | well, i'm concerned about Mono of all things |
| 05:46.12 | jude- | that probably infringes the most |
| 05:46.16 | jude- | that, and NTFS support |
| 05:46.29 | L4m3r | they've already screwed themselves in that arena |
| 05:46.35 | jude- | I think a study was done that indicated that the kernel itself, however, potentially infringed on 27 MS patents |
| 05:46.59 | binaryspike | Who is MS gonna sue? |
| 05:47.07 | binaryspike | there are probably hundreds of developers on the linux kernel right? |
| 05:47.12 | L4m3r | Why do you think they wanted to do WinFS for Vista? very convenient that it comes (or was supposed to come) just as NTFS was becoming very well supported |
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| 05:47.37 | jude- | wait--does Vista have WinFS? |
| 05:47.41 | L4m3r | nope |
| 05:47.50 | jude- | you scared me there for a moment :) |
| 05:47.52 | L4m3r | lol |
| 05:48.04 | jude- | binaryspike: probably more like thousands |
| 05:48.19 | jude- | including corporate developers like Intel, IBM, HP, etc |
| 05:48.20 | L4m3r | I'm sure they went in at the last second and added some crappy new extensions to NTFS just for Vista, though |
| 05:48.34 | jude- | maybe--MS isn't too fond of Linux |
| 05:48.37 | L4m3r | just like they did for XP |
| 05:48.53 | L4m3r | iirc Windows XP uses "NTFS 3.1" |
| 05:49.00 | jude- | i'm not really sure |
| 05:49.09 | jude- | all my machines run Linux |
| 05:49.20 | jude- | (although my parent's doesn't) |
| 05:49.33 | L4m3r | I dual-boot both of my systems |
| 05:49.34 | jude- | (so I can test my GSoC project on Windoze) |
| 05:49.38 | jude- | that works :) |
| 05:49.47 | L4m3r | no escaping Windows in college |
| 05:49.50 | jude- | I tried that for a while, but my WinXP died of bit-rot |
| 05:50.10 | L4m3r | and I can't stand OpenOrifice :) |
| 05:50.17 | jude- | not so much here--all the CS labs have Fedora Core 6 machines |
| 05:50.25 | L4m3r | heh |
| 05:50.38 | jude- | in addition to the Windoze boxes |
| 05:50.38 | L4m3r | we've got a linux lab in the bowels of Boelter Hall someplace |
| 05:50.52 | jude- | I think we have a beowulf cluster |
| 05:51.04 | L4m3r | but the vast majority of campus systems are windows-based, and some classes have had online activeX-based quizzes... |
| 05:51.25 | jude- | I've been having similar problems with Bio--all their quizzes run in Shockwave |
| 05:51.32 | binaryspike | eww |
| 05:51.35 | binaryspike | how stupid can a school be |
| 05:51.35 | jude- | I can run it in WINE, however |
| 05:51.43 | jude- | how stupid can our Bio department be :) |
| 05:51.50 | binaryspike | lol |
| 05:51.53 | binaryspike | PHP all the way! |
| 05:51.53 | jude- | why not flash or Java? |
| 05:51.57 | jude- | or PHP? |
| 05:52.09 | binaryspike | cause Java and PHP are free |
| 05:52.11 | binaryspike | :P |
| 05:52.23 | jude- | I'll take java over flash any day |
| 05:52.32 | binaryspike | Flash runs faster for mac |
| 05:52.51 | binaryspike | but is not free to develop, unlike java ;) |
| 05:53.02 | jude- | nor is it GPL'ed, like Java is now :) |
| 05:53.06 | binaryspike | I like PHP, and building your own HTTP server is always fun! |
| 05:53.21 | L4m3r | I'm annoyed. Just when flash gets mediocre linux support, M$ and adobe move in and try to force new stuff in |
| 05:54.00 | jude- | both stand to lose money if Linux really takes of |
| 05:54.03 | jude- | *off |
| 05:54.12 | L4m3r | Adobe, not so much |
| 05:54.31 | jude- | GIMP will eventually catch up to Photoshop (assuming a larger development base will arise from the Linux take-off) |
| 05:54.32 | binaryspike | M$ and Adob£ :P |
| 05:54.37 | L4m3r | they'd have to grit their teeth and adapt to linux, yes, but they'd not be as screwed as M$ |
| 05:54.40 | jude- | Flash is slowly being replaced by Gnash |
| 05:55.03 | jude- | OpenOffice can export PDFs, eliminating the need for Acrobat Professional |
| 05:55.12 | L4m3r | Gimp still has to come a long way :P |
| 05:55.15 | binaryspike | and Mac has integrated PDF support |
| 05:55.20 | L4m3r | so does KDE |
| 05:55.25 | jude- | indeed |
| 05:55.38 | binaryspike | ok well I gotta get |
| 05:55.41 | binaryspike | thanks guys! |
| 05:55.46 | L4m3r | hell, KDE lets you "print to PDF" OOTB |
| 05:55.46 | jude- | np :) ttyl |
| 05:55.50 | L4m3r | later |
| 05:55.56 | jude- | Yup |
| 05:56.00 | jude- | that's convenient |
| 05:56.04 | binaryspike | L4m3r, that's what mac does, "Print to PDF" |
| 05:56.14 | jude- | Postscript conversion, really |
| 05:56.14 | L4m3r | (so great, not having to print reciepts for online purchases anymore) |
| 05:57.48 | L4m3r | as much as I loathe PDF and embrace its slow demise |
| 05:57.58 | L4m3r | it's still better than paper |
| 05:58.07 | jude- | what format do you prefer? |
| 05:58.14 | L4m3r | anything |
| 05:58.19 | L4m3r | .doc, even |
| 05:58.23 | jude- | lol |
| 05:58.47 | L4m3r | PDF is just so absurdly large and awkward |
| 05:58.59 | jude- | indeed |
| 05:59.09 | jude- | just save it as a Postscript file |
| 05:59.17 | jude- | no need to convert to PDF after that |
| 05:59.30 | jude- | that way, it can be easily fed into a Postscript-compatible printer |
| 05:59.38 | jude- | should you need a hard copy |
| 05:59.42 | L4m3r | hm |
| 05:59.50 | jude- | that, and Postscript is an open format, AFAIK |
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| 06:00.15 | jude- | and predates .doc, .odf, .pdf, etc |
| 06:00.18 | jude- | by decades |
| 06:00.19 | L4m3r | heh |
| 06:01.20 | L4m3r | dangit |
| 06:01.40 | jude- | in Linux? |
| 06:01.45 | L4m3r | mmmhm |
| 06:02.02 | jude- | what card do you have? |
| 06:04.16 | jude- | (in reality, when it comes to complex type-setting, I just use LaTeX instead of Postscript, which is really better-suited as a programmable document language) |
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| 06:07.01 | jude- | (also, PDF is also an open format, and will probably not die soon) |
| 06:09.04 | L4m3r | er, Intel PRO Wireless 3945 |
| 06:09.26 | L4m3r | open, supported drivers... just a configuration issue that I can't remember how to fix |
| 06:09.26 | jude- | ah, I'm using that right now |
| 06:09.43 | jude- | what seems to be the problem? |
| 06:09.53 | L4m3r | the driver just isn't loading |
| 06:09.59 | L4m3r | I've added it to /etc/modules |
| 06:10.00 | jude- | this is in Debian, right? |
| 06:10.04 | L4m3r | yes |
| 06:10.17 | jude- | do you have an /etc/init.d/ipw3945d script? |
| 06:10.29 | L4m3r | nope |
| 06:10.34 | jude- | and is it linked into your /etc/rc2.d directory (or whatever runlevel you're in)? |
| 06:10.37 | L4m3r | but I don't think I ever did... |
| 06:10.37 | jude- | That's why |
| 06:10.53 | jude- | you need to manually invoke the ipw3945d daemon |
| 06:11.00 | jude- | modprobe ipw3945 should work |
| 06:11.11 | jude- | rather than insmod ipw3945 |
| 06:11.16 | L4m3r | it tries to invoke the daemon but it aborts because the driver isn't loaded |
| 06:11.19 | jude- | which is what /etc/modules uses, AFAIK |
| 06:11.35 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 06:11.38 | jude- | so it isn't in lsmod? |
| 06:11.40 | L4m3r | modprobe seems to work |
| 06:12.17 | jude- | the ipw3945 package in Debian should have a modprobe script that automatically starts the daemon |
| 06:12.27 | L4m3r | yup |
| 06:12.28 | jude- | at least, that's what happens on my system |
| 06:12.31 | jude- | good : |
| 06:12.32 | jude- | ) |
| 06:12.34 | L4m3r | the daemon does try to start |
| 06:12.40 | L4m3r | that's not the issue :) |
| 06:13.06 | jude- | so, the daemon tries to start, and fails? |
| 06:13.09 | L4m3r | man, I forget how many settings I change, heh |
| 06:20.28 | L4m3r | I tried Kubuntu Fiesty today... didn't like it |
| 06:21.49 | jude- | given the choice between *buntu and Debian, I'll take Debian |
| 06:22.27 | jude- | Even though I like KDE over GNOME, I've always liked how Ubuntu applied GNOME better than how Kubuntu applied KDE, IMHO |
| 06:22.27 | L4m3r | I was more interested in seeing just how good the hardware detection was |
| 06:22.45 | jude- | how did it go? |
| 06:22.48 | L4m3r | well, ubuntu is the main distro, everything is geared toward it |
| 06:23.02 | L4m3r | surprisingly, not any better. Actually, worse- sound didn't work |
| 06:23.30 | jude- | ouch |
| 06:23.37 | L4m3r | my lappy has a lot of wacky hardware |
| 06:23.43 | jude- | what kind is it? |
| 06:23.51 | L4m3r | Acer TravelMate 6460 |
| 06:25.14 | jude- | neato |
| 06:25.19 | jude- | how's the gigabit ethernet? |
| 06:25.40 | L4m3r | very nice |
| 06:25.54 | L4m3r | actually feels faster than my nf4 gigabit in my desktop :P |
| 06:25.58 | jude- | cool |
| 06:26.03 | jude- | does the camera work? |
| 06:26.12 | L4m3r | not in linux |
| 06:26.16 | jude- | aww |
| 06:26.21 | L4m3r | but I have not tried very hard to make it work |
| 06:26.23 | jude- | the anti-theft device? |
| 06:26.28 | L4m3r | I don't use it |
| 06:26.35 | jude- | I think there's a configuration option in KDE for webcams |
| 06:26.41 | jude- | don't know much--I don't use them |
| 06:26.47 | L4m3r | yeah, it's a USB device |
| 06:26.58 | jude- | internally? |
| 06:27.02 | L4m3r | yup |
| 06:27.19 | L4m3r | sound is very weird |
| 06:27.21 | jude- | well, at least the bus is well-supported :P |
| 06:27.28 | jude- | what kind of sound card? |
| 06:27.33 | jude- | ICH7 family? |
| 06:27.39 | L4m3r | intel and realtek... no idea |
| 06:27.53 | L4m3r | there seem to be two sound cards, at least how linux recognizes them |
| 06:28.06 | jude- | maybe each speaker has a DSP? |
| 06:28.13 | L4m3r | the volume control has no effect |
| 06:28.25 | biggeruniverse | you know, the real problem with proving M$ patent infringement is the phoenix BIOS scenario |
| 06:28.35 | L4m3r | but two other controls do... "front" seems to control the speakers |
| 06:28.48 | jude- | weird |
| 06:28.49 | L4m3r | plugging in headphones won't silence the lappy under linux either |
| 06:29.15 | jude- | that's strange--usually that's implemented in hardware |
| 06:29.36 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 06:30.21 | jude- | does it work in Windoze? |
| 06:30.29 | L4m3r | I think Acer did it in software so that that ever-annoying system tray icon pop-up bubble can tell me "A Jack has been plugged in." |
| 06:30.50 | jude- | heh--probably |
| 06:31.21 | L4m3r | it's like, no DUH a jack has been plugged in- it's right in front of me... |
| 06:31.45 | jude- | I wonder of the M$ devs realize how patronizing that is? |
| 06:31.54 | L4m3r | it's not M$ |
| 06:32.01 | L4m3r | the acer drivers do that |
| 06:32.30 | jude- | still, do the devs take their end-users for idiots? |
| 06:32.44 | L4m3r | apparently |
| 06:33.05 | L4m3r | I mean, they still sell docks for their laptops :P |
| 06:33.21 | jude- | I don't know anyone who buys those...for any laptop |
| 06:33.39 | L4m3r | :) |
| 06:34.03 | L4m3r | the security stuff is just annoying |
| 06:34.08 | jude- | heh--I bet |
| 06:34.14 | L4m3r | I didn't even install the drivers in windows |
| 06:34.32 | L4m3r | I figured they would never work in linux anyway, so why bother? :P |
| 06:34.46 | L4m3r | the fingerprint reader alters the welcome screen |
| 06:34.54 | jude- | in Windoze? |
| 06:35.03 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 06:35.11 | jude- | oops |
| 06:35.15 | L4m3r | "Please logon to enroll your fingerprints" |
| 06:35.51 | jude- | have you tried it in Linux? |
| 06:36.29 | L4m3r | though I must admit, being able to log in just by rubbing my finger would be neat :) |
| 06:36.47 | L4m3r | no, I didn't... I didn't think there was even a remote chance of it working :P |
| 06:39.09 | jude- | I dunno--some things I thought would never work with linux worked out of the box... |
| 06:44.06 | L4m3r | yeah, like my now-b0rked TV tuner (in the desktop) |
| 06:44.59 | jude- | my hotspot-sniffer that doubles as a WiFi usb NIC worked flawlessly |
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| 15:11.43 | patlkli | hi all |
| 15:16.41 | brlcad | hello |
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| 15:21.27 | tupone | hi brlcad |
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| 15:22.37 | brlcad | good morningish |
| 15:23.47 | tupone | morning to you :) |
| 15:23.55 | brlcad | sorta ;) |
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| 15:37.16 | deltaray | Well, I'm stumped. I'm trying to setup a local server that I can connect to and play against some bots. |
| 15:37.38 | deltaray | I run bzfs -conf bzfs.conf (which I've gone through an setup the bzfs.conf file) |
| 15:38.14 | brlcad | that much sounds fine, assuming the conf is okay |
| 15:38.20 | deltaray | But when I try to connect to it via localhost:5154 |
| 15:38.29 | deltaray | it just says "error trying to connect server" |
| 15:38.37 | brlcad | use the loopback address |
| 15:38.46 | deltaray | I can connect to servers on the public list ok |
| 15:38.53 | deltaray | You mean 127.0.0.1 instead of localhost? |
| 15:38.56 | brlcad | yes |
| 15:39.50 | binaryspike | DeltaRay, what OS are you running the server on? |
| 15:40.07 | deltaray | Ubuntu |
| 15:40.44 | deltaray | Let me try connecting to eth0's ip |
| 15:40.58 | brlcad | did you try the loopback and it didn't work? |
| 15:41.12 | binaryspike | when you run the server does bzfs run, or do you get the command prompt back? |
| 15:41.38 | deltaray | No, it runs and says that it starts up ok |
| 15:42.02 | deltaray | I can't find any other people in the forums having this trouble so it leads me to think its something I'm doing wrong |
| 15:42.04 | brlcad | deltaray: add -d -d -d to bzfs to get additional startup debugging |
| 15:42.22 | binaryspike | yeah or just try starting a server without the conf... |
| 15:42.41 | binaryspike | bzfs -j +r -ms 4 |
| 15:43.29 | brlcad | you can also test bzfs with a simple telnet localhost 5154 |
| 15:43.34 | brlcad | see if you get a response |
| 15:44.16 | deltaray | nope, none of that worked. |
| 15:44.42 | deltaray | Hmmmm |
| 15:44.57 | brlcad | if you can't telnet, then the config has something wrong |
| 15:45.10 | tupone | deltaray, "netstat -ntpl" ... see if a port is opened |
| 15:45.18 | deltaray | Already did that. It is |
| 15:45.35 | tupone | what port and what address? |
| 15:45.40 | deltaray | I'm actually a Linux sysadmin, so I know some of these troubleshooting things. But good ideas. |
| 15:45.52 | deltaray | 0.0.0.0:5154 |
| 15:46.09 | deltaray | Actually, its weird, my lo interface is not up for some reason |
| 15:46.11 | deltaray | But eth0 is. |
| 15:46.13 | deltaray | :-/ |
| 15:46.36 | tupone | so, if you telnet on the eth0 address? |
| 15:46.45 | deltaray | Still nothing. |
| 15:47.07 | deltaray | But I'm unable to telnet to anything that's listening on tcp on my machine. So something is wrong. Let me look a bit. |
| 15:47.17 | tupone | iptables? |
| 15:47.37 | deltaray | Nope, not running |
| 15:48.04 | deltaray | Nothing in /var/log/messages indicates a problem |
| 15:48.09 | deltaray | Wait, baby crying. brb. ;-) |
| 15:48.50 | KTL | he wants to play bz :) |
| 15:50.54 | deltaray | actually. She |
| 15:51.13 | deltaray | and you're probably right. She is always hitting my keyboard |
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| 16:00.25 | deltaray | Fixed it |
| 16:00.34 | deltaray | It was a problem with my network interfaces in Ubuntu. Weird. |
| 16:00.57 | brlcad | what sort of problem? |
| 16:02.07 | deltaray | Couldn't connect to local server |
| 16:03.14 | brlcad | huh, no I mean what was the "problem with my network interfaces" |
| 16:03.37 | brlcad | i know what your problem in bz was, you've been talking about that ;) |
| 16:03.55 | brlcad | or you didn't find the problem and just used a different interface or something? |
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| 16:05.00 | deltaray | I'm trying to figure it out |
| 16:07.54 | deltaray | Is there any way to run the bzflag client in windowed mode instead of fullscreen? |
| 16:08.04 | tupone | bzflag -window |
| 16:08.42 | deltaray | :-| |
| 16:08.44 | deltaray | Of course |
| 16:09.01 | deltaray | I figured it would be something in the GUI config |
| 16:09.15 | deltaray | Thanks. That's helpful when trying to configure a server |
| 16:09.17 | deltaray | Or chat |
| 16:10.16 | deltaray | Ok, is there a way to enlarge that window at all? Like to 1024x768. Seems to be in 640x480 |
| 16:10.39 | brlcad | there's also a menu option in the game as well as a quick-key (F1) |
| 16:11.05 | inchworm | brlcad: is that a SDL option? |
| 16:11.15 | inchworm | the whole window thing? |
| 16:11.32 | brlcad | -geometry 1024x768 |
| 16:12.00 | deltaray | SWEET!! |
| 16:12.02 | brlcad | inchworm: no, it's not an sdl thing, though whether the client supports it or not depends on the platform code |
| 16:12.06 | inchworm | i guess i've not been able to get -window to work on my mac in window mode, it just always goes full screen |
| 16:12.09 | inchworm | ahh |
| 16:12.13 | brlcad | ahh, yes |
| 16:12.17 | CIA-18 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r14132 10/branches/v2_0_cs_branch/bzflag/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Make cs happy when exiting |
| 16:12.26 | deltaray | Thanks brlcad and everyone else who helped me |
| 16:12.30 | brlcad | the mac platform code is stuck at full-screen -- have to use the sdl interface |
| 16:12.48 | deltaray | I'm running a public game for my LUG tonight and am trying to get it all ready to go |
| 16:12.55 | inchworm | so if i installed sdl i would get better sound and window mode? |
| 16:12.59 | inchworm | deltaray: cool |
| 16:12.59 | brlcad | i never got around to implementing the full-screen toggle once work on sdl started up |
| 16:13.23 | brlcad | deltaray: nifty, take some pictures ;) |
| 16:13.40 | brlcad | inchworm: not necessarily better sound, but you would get windowed mode |
| 16:13.50 | deltaray | alright |
| 16:14.41 | deltaray | Wow, its much slower in windowed mode |
| 16:14.44 | inchworm | brlcad: thanks |
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| 16:18.11 | deltaray | Hmm, I guess its not just windowed mode. Now its slow in full screen too |
| 16:18.52 | deltaray | Well, I gotta run. Be back later |
| 16:19.05 | inchworm | deltaray: maybe you upped the resolution? |
| 16:19.08 | inchworm | deltaray: laters |
| 16:19.45 | CIA-18 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14133 10/trunk/bzflag/src/ (4 files in 3 dirs): just use a zlib header, cppflags should be set up to point to the one we want instead of fixing it to ours only |
| 16:21.04 | deltaray | yep, that was it. I removed the .bzf directory and now its fun |
| 16:21.06 | deltaray | fine |
| 16:21.07 | deltaray | later |
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| 16:33.19 | brlcad | deltaray: yeah, any command-line options you provide will get saved to your config file unless you turn them off (via gui or other command-line options) |
| 16:36.13 | CIA-18 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14134 10/trunk/bzflag/ (182 files in 16 dirs): move all of the external dependencies into src/other (which presently consists of c-ares, regex, and zlib) |
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| 16:51.54 | CIA-18 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14135 10/trunk/bzflag/ (configure.ac m4/stage.m4 misc/shtool): bring over the stage macros from brl-cad which provide the means to emphasize configuration stages with bolding. print a box around the project title for starters. |
| 16:55.09 | CIA-18 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14136 10/trunk/bzflag/ (configure.ac m4/stage.m4): use BZ prefix for the macros |
| 17:03.50 | CIA-18 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14137 10/trunk/bzflag/configure.ac: add configure stage lines |
| 17:04.23 | JeffM2501 | what does this do to the build system? |
| 17:04.53 | brlcad | makes it feel pretty |
| 17:05.22 | brlcad | no functional changes, just pretty-prints the output |
| 17:05.42 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:05.51 | JeffM2501 | have you tested conencting with head? |
| 17:05.58 | brlcad | nope |
| 17:07.14 | brlcad | i'll be to that soon, and need to test/fix/etc but still coding on a module here |
| 17:07.52 | brlcad | oh yeah, moved all of the external deps to their own dir in src/other -- and updated the windows files, so it should be all good |
| 17:11.03 | JeffM2501 | like curl? |
| 17:11.21 | brlcad | curl, ares, zlib |
| 17:11.54 | JeffM2501 | coo |
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| 17:15.51 | Booch | . |
| 17:15.57 | JeffM2501 | , |
| 17:16.07 | Booch | ? |
| 17:16.14 | Booch | just checking it out |
| 17:17.45 | JeffM2501 | ! |
| 17:19.24 | Booch | + |
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| 17:24.20 | cosmos | is there a way to block older than 2.0.8 clients connecting/playing on servers? |
| 17:28.01 | JeffM2501 | not as a built in method |
| 17:29.39 | cosmos | seem to get a plethora of older clients that are fishy |
| 17:30.05 | brlcad | could make a plugin that checks their version string |
| 17:30.31 | cosmos | ive got a better chance of winning the lotto right now, i dont code :) |
| 17:30.40 | JeffM2501 | dunno if they have access to that in the API |
| 17:31.04 | cosmos | i was figuring you would have to modify bzfs directly but a plugin would be nice |
| 17:31.58 | brlcad | I'd think it would probably cause more trouble than it's worth |
| 17:32.18 | brlcad | upsetting players that were doing just fine, not causing any trouble, using a valid client, etc |
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| 17:35.06 | cosmos | i suppose. of course alot of the actual players have been asking for it |
| 17:35.20 | cosmos | taz 2.0.2 mystery client was always a sore spot |
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| 18:25.44 | CIA-18 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14140 10/trunk/bzflag/ (configure.ac m4/curl.m4 m4/libcurl.m4): update to the latest libcurl.m4, using LIBCURL_CHECK_CONFIG instead of MY_CURL to test whether curl was found. LIBCURL and LIBCURL_CPPFLAGS are provided by the new macro. |
| 18:28.01 | CIA-18 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14141 10/trunk/bzflag/src/ (6 files in 6 dirs): no longer need curl flags here, set in global CPPFLAGS |
| 18:28.21 | brlcad | woot, 14141 |
| 18:28.50 | ts | JeffM2501: Can you connect to brad's server? |
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| 18:34.01 | JeffM2501 | I think it has issues |
| 18:34.22 | ts | JeffM2501: Did you see my botmail? |
| 18:34.29 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 18:34.42 | ts | dunno why but it works now ;) |
| 18:34.50 | ts | except brad's |
| 18:35.36 | CIA-18 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14142 10/trunk/bzflag/configure.ac: don't set to empty, else breaks values set earlier (_REENTRANT). other trivial cleanup |
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| 18:44.25 | JeffM2501 | I checked in a fix that I think will fix brads |
| 18:44.54 | JeffM2501 | I think your's didn't work before cus it may not have built the last change I did client side |
| 18:45.06 | JeffM2501 | but I'm glad that it did work out, thanks for all your testing with it :) |
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| 18:59.29 | ChrisWalker | Hi! Can anyone tell me how to release the mouse from the BZFlag windowed mode within Ubuntu? |
| 19:00.24 | inchworm | ChrisWalker: it's in options->input i think. |
| 19:00.30 | inchworm | under constrain mouse |
| 19:00.35 | ChrisWalker | I'll try that! |
| 19:00.58 | inchworm | i'm not absolutely sure on the location, but i know that option is in there somewhere |
| 19:01.02 | inchworm | :) |
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| 19:22.29 | argiopeweb | Wow |
| 19:23.02 | argiopeweb | Anyone with a 2.1.13 SVN client go try out duckordie. For some reason the server destroys you for just about anything... |
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| 19:31.14 | argiopeweb | Yeah, that's wierd. |
| 19:31.29 | argiopeweb | And, of course, debug on the server shows nothing. :\ |
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| 19:45.02 | Flash | what causes the "end shot credit=6" kick? |
| 19:46.13 | TD-Linux | the client ending shots that the server doesn't think should be ended? |
| 19:46.27 | Flash | how can that be done? |
| 19:47.25 | a_meteorite | Flash: the protocol allows the client to say they ended a certain shot |
| 19:47.36 | TD-Linux | which happens when you die. |
| 19:47.43 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 19:47.43 | TD-Linux | or when a shot runs out. |
| 19:48.43 | Flash | so if a client gets hit and the server doesn't think they should, they get kicked? |
| 19:49.19 | a_meteorite | I think it's more like if they say they get hit by other shots, but don't die |
| 19:49.26 | a_meteorite | I think |
| 19:49.48 | Flash | hmmm. why would a client do that ;-) |
| 19:49.56 | a_meteorite | cheating.. |
| 19:50.07 | Flash | I mean, if you aren't going to die, don't say the shot hit you |
| 19:50.07 | a_meteorite | think if you could end everyone else's shots |
| 19:50.48 | Flash | ALostDorsai was kicked repeatedly on hepcat for that and I don't think he's a cheater |
| 19:51.06 | a_meteorite | I've heard of lag doing it |
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| 19:56.28 | JeffM2501 | the server dons't know about death |
| 19:56.39 | JeffM2501 | endshot credits are for when a shot terminates with out a death |
| 19:58.12 | inchworm | those are happy servers i guess |
| 19:59.05 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:04.56 | JeffM2501 | hopefully there will not be anymore endshot credits from the client in 2.1 |
| 20:18.18 | argiopeweb | Lag does it, and it sometimes happens if you set _weapons 1. |
| 20:18.18 | Flash | is there any resolution for someone who is being kicked? |
| 20:18.18 | Epyon | Where can I find some info on texture coordinate handling in BZW? |
| 20:18.18 | Epyon | And what the hell is "resetmat" used for? o.O |
| 20:18.18 | JeffM2501 | packetloss would do it |
| 20:18.18 | JeffM2501 | lag would just delay it |
| 20:18.19 | JeffM2501 | Epyon, you can build a matrix to transform the textures, that resets it to the identiy |
| 20:18.19 | Epyon | ? |
| 20:18.19 | JeffM2501 | like tanslate or rotate or scale, or do complex combinations of them |
| 20:18.19 | JeffM2501 | I don't think any real map would ever reset it |
| 20:18.19 | Epyon | Using what functions? |
| 20:18.19 | JeffM2501 | let me look |
| 20:18.19 | Epyon | Let's say I want to finetunely apply textures to a meshbox... |
| 20:18.19 | JeffM2501 | it's simpler to define the box as a mesh |
| 20:18.19 | Epyon | I know how to handle mes... aaah. |
| 20:18.19 | JeffM2501 | the matrix is only when you can't/don't want to modify the UVS |
| 20:18.19 | Epyon | Ok, ok. |
| 20:18.19 | JeffM2501 | like if you were using the same object in a group with more then one instance |
| 20:18.19 | Epyon | Seems as I will build my generators around meshes only then. |
| 20:18.19 | JeffM2501 | and wanted to modify the UVs in some uniform way for just one instance |
| 20:18.20 | JeffM2501 | for what your doing that is probably best |
| 20:18.20 | JeffM2501 | there are some issues internaly with meshes, but that's for us to just fix, as they are bugs |
| 20:18.20 | Epyon | Ok, thanks :) |
| 20:18.20 | Epyon | BTW, it would be good to add a "minimal BZW file" to the wiki. It took me some time to realize that i just need the |
| 20:18.20 | Epyon | world |
| 20:18.20 | Epyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.20 | Epyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.20 | Epyon | end |
| 20:18.20 | JeffM2501 | that would be a blank file :) |
| 20:18.20 | Epyon | lines. |
| 20:18.20 | JeffM2501 | you don't even need the world |
| 20:18.20 | Epyon | It does run on a blank file? o.O |
| 20:18.21 | JeffM2501 | world has defaults |
| 20:18.21 | JeffM2501 | and you don't NEED any objects |
| 20:18.21 | Epyon | Can you add any elements if there is no world defined? |
| 20:18.21 | CIA-18 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14143 10/trunk/bzflag/src/common/WordFilter.cxx: regular expression functionality is now a given, functionality bled throughout other parts of the code too, so remove the code to make the word filter do something without a regex library |
| 20:18.21 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 20:18.21 | JeffM2501 | the world just sets the size |
| 20:18.21 | Epyon | Kewl :] |
| 20:18.21 | JeffM2501 | from it's default fo +-400 |
| 20:18.21 | JeffM2501 | the world size, sky, walls, and ground are all defaults |
| 20:18.21 | Epyon | Thanks for the info... be scAAAred, I may come back for more soon ^^ |
| 20:18.22 | JeffM2501 | whatever you need :) |
| 20:18.22 | Epyon | Oh, here I am again xD |
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| 20:18.22 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:18.22 | Manu | Flash: actually there is a bug in endShot anticheat, but if a player get kicked with 6 fails something wrong is happening with him |
| 20:18.22 | Epyon | Any way to change the floor texture/skybox, around wall textures from a BZW File? |
| 20:18.22 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 20:18.22 | EbErT | hey, i have a player getting a "wrong end shot credit: 6" kick |
| 20:18.22 | JeffM2501 | you can define a material |
| 20:18.22 | EbErT | what does this mean, and how can i fix it? |
| 20:18.22 | JeffM2501 | and it will use that instead of the default |
| 20:18.22 | Epyon | Aaaah, the material needs to be named? |
| 20:18.22 | Manu | EbErT: look if he has loss packets |
| 20:18.22 | JeffM2501 | Epyon, yeah |
| 20:18.23 | blast007 | EbErT: which server is this? hepcat? |
| 20:18.23 | Epyon | (I tried finding that in the Wiki, but with no result :() |
| 20:18.23 | EbErT | yeah |
| 20:18.23 | JeffM2501 | Epyon, I don't remember what they are off the top of my head |
| 20:18.23 | JeffM2501 | I can look |
| 20:18.23 | blast007 | EbErT: yeah, flash mentioned it |
| 20:18.23 | JeffM2501 | one sec |
| 20:18.23 | blast007 | "ALostDorsai" |
| 20:18.23 | EbErT | no packet loss now, lags fine. was a little weird earlier |
| 20:18.23 | EbErT | yes, thats him |
| 20:18.23 | blast007 | did they have loss? |
| 20:18.23 | EbErT | what does that kick mean? |
| 20:18.23 | Manu | EbErT: then probably he is using a mod client |
| 20:18.24 | blast007 | the server received 6 requests to end shots without receiving a "got killed" message |
| 20:18.24 | Manu | EbErT: it means he is ending bullets wrongly |
| 20:19.12 | Manu | the bug is for low values of endShot like 4 |
| 20:19.12 | Manu | and it happens because you can be hitted three times and you only die once ;) |
| 20:19.12 | EbErT | ah, well he says hes using a standard compiled client |
| 20:19.12 | blast007 | Manu: eh... |
| 20:19.23 | EbErT | if that means anything.. dunno whats wrong then |
| 20:19.23 | Manu | blast007: that's the bug |
| 20:19.23 | blast007 | EbErT: but don't they all say that? ;) |
| 20:19.26 | EbErT | ya :) |
| 20:19.31 | blast007 | Manu: that shouldn't be possible though, I wouldn't think |
| 20:19.38 | blast007 | if it is, it would be trivial to fix |
| 20:19.43 | Manu | blast007: I know but it happens ;) |
| 20:19.54 | blast007 | the client should only be killed by one bullet |
| 20:20.00 | Manu | yes it's easy to fix but I thought it was as designed |
| 20:20.31 | Manu | blast007: actually I can see more than one message: hitted by... |
| 20:21.05 | Manu | but with endshot value set to 6 is very difficult to happen and always to the same player even more difficult ;) |
| 20:21.39 | EbErT | alright, stop slapping at eachother girls :D |
| 20:22.08 | Manu | blast007: the client is only killed by one bullet, this is correct but you can be hitted by more than one bullet |
| 20:22.21 | Manu | as it's actually |
| 20:22.40 | EbErT | its happened 4 times to him, and he accuses me of not caring.. but can't do anything i guess |
| 20:23.29 | Manu | EbErT: you can observe him to see what happens when bullets drive to him ;) |
| 20:24.49 | JeffM2501 | Epyon, the ground is GroundMaterial |
| 20:25.21 | Epyon | i.e. I create a material of the name GroundMaterial? |
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| 20:25.32 | Epyon | What about the Skybox? |
| 20:25.37 | Epyon | And the walls? |
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| 20:26.16 | JeffM2501 | the walls I can't see |
| 20:26.19 | CIA-18 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14144 10/trunk/bzflag/ (5 files in 3 dirs): regex functionality is requisite, so don't worry about it not being available any longer. however, remove the #include from common.h and make those that use it include it. |
| 20:26.26 | JeffM2501 | you can just turn them off and define them as meshes if you want |
| 20:26.41 | JeffM2501 | the default sky, isn't a skybox |
| 20:26.50 | JeffM2501 | it's dynamic |
| 20:26.51 | TD-Linux | it's a pyramid :P |
| 20:26.54 | JeffM2501 | code |
| 20:26.56 | JeffM2501 | cone |
| 20:27.00 | JeffM2501 | ish |
| 20:27.05 | JeffM2501 | you can define a skybox if you want th |
| 20:27.06 | TD-Linux | 4-sided cone :) |
| 20:27.26 | Epyon | JeffM2501, bu just putting the map into a box? |
| 20:27.35 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:27.38 | Epyon | But that wont be a skybox -__- |
| 20:27.45 | JeffM2501 | well no |
| 20:27.49 | JeffM2501 | we have a skybox function |
| 20:27.54 | Epyon | A skybox should have semi-infinite distance :/ |
| 20:27.55 | JeffM2501 | add materials |
| 20:28.08 | TD-Linux | it's rather undocumented... I only know of two maps that use it |
| 20:28.37 | JeffM2501 | you add 'LeftSkyboxMaterial" |
| 20:28.39 | JeffM2501 | for the left |
| 20:28.52 | Epyon | And so on? |
| 20:28.59 | JeffM2501 | then one for right, top, botom, front, back |
| 20:29.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:29.08 | JeffM2501 | tho that will totaly remove the dynamic sky |
| 20:29.26 | CIA-18 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14145 10/trunk/bzflag/ (6 files in 6 dirs): |
| 20:29.26 | CIA-18 | BZFlag: restructure the checks for ares, regex, and zlib; removing the --with-regex |
| 20:29.27 | CIA-18 | BZFlag: option; summarize compilation of external dependencies; add a better regex |
| 20:29.27 | CIA-18 | BZFlag: functionality test; use consistent BUILD_ names for the external deps. |
| 20:29.29 | JeffM2501 | and for those maps you want to set them to a fixed time |
| 20:29.33 | Epyon | Okay, if I manage to successfuly use it, I'll try to document it in the wiki with a sample skybox for download. |
| 20:29.35 | JeffM2501 | so there is no sun |
| 20:29.50 | JeffM2501 | I'd not worry about skyboxes for your first round |
| 20:29.56 | JeffM2501 | they are slow and often unused |
| 20:30.12 | JeffM2501 | most games like to use the dynamic sky |
| 20:30.41 | Epyon | Hey, currently I'm just playing around to get hold of BZW :P. I consider my "real" work time to start in May. |
| 20:30.59 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 20:31.05 | JeffM2501 | then don't worry bout skyboxes |
| 20:31.06 | blast007 | focus on more useful parts of BZW ;) |
| 20:31.09 | EbErT | you have 2 days. |
| 20:31.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:31.34 | Epyon | 48 hourz??? |
| 20:32.12 | Epyon | Okay, sorry for my sometimes wicked, not funny and improper sense of humour -_- |
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| 20:33.35 | a_meteorite | sigh, nvm.. |
| 20:33.41 | JeffM2501 | I don't think it is |
| 20:33.49 | JeffM2501 | but it may be in some cases |
| 20:33.52 | blast007 | not sure about material names |
| 20:33.53 | Epyon | o.O |
| 20:33.53 | JeffM2501 | I know stuff I did, isn't |
| 20:34.00 | JeffM2501 | stuff others is may be |
| 20:34.01 | JeffM2501 | :( |
| 20:34.11 | JeffM2501 | welcome to unmanaged open source :) |
| 20:34.14 | Epyon | a_meteorite, I hope it will be closer after the summer though ;) |
| 20:34.22 | blast007 | JeffM2501: yay! ;) |
| 20:34.29 | a_meteorite | Epyon: closer? |
| 20:34.48 | JeffM2501 | oh you CAN import quake maps, I meant that in a technical aspect :) |
| 20:34.52 | JeffM2501 | also our maps don't have any vis info |
| 20:34.58 | argiopeweb | Jeff |
| 20:35.00 | JeffM2501 | it's all dynamic |
| 20:35.04 | JeffM2501 | argiopeweb, |
| 20:35.20 | Epyon | JeffM2501, if it wouldn't be dynamic, then I couldn't do my job :P |
| 20:35.35 | brlcad | Epyon: it's "supposed" to be case insensitive, but there are possibly some outliers that aren't |
| 20:35.37 | JeffM2501 | Epyon, sure you could, there'd just be a vis computation step beforehand |
| 20:35.37 | argiopeweb | Can you think of any reason that a 2.1.13 server would be randomly killing clients for no apparent reason? It's completely random, and -dddd on bzfs gives nothing. |
| 20:35.52 | JeffM2501 | Epyon, if you find ones that arn't let me know and I'll fix em |
| 20:35.53 | brlcad | i'd consider them a bug if they weren't insensitive, no sense working around it |
| 20:35.53 | tannerld | lol |
| 20:36.11 | JeffM2501 | argiopeweb, by "kill" do you mean disconect? or make them die as in explode? |
| 20:36.13 | Epyon | JeffM2501, if it would take as long as Quake 3 map rendering then I doubt anyone would care about using it xP |
| 20:36.47 | argiopeweb | Kill as in die/explode. |
| 20:36.59 | brlcad | argiopeweb: a bug |
| 20:37.01 | argiopeweb | crazyme has been killed by the server" |
| 20:37.01 | JeffM2501 | Epyon, yeah, Johny has pushed that BSP about as far has it can go ashn't he |
| 20:37.03 | argiopeweb | type. |
| 20:37.03 | Epyon | Anyone here rendered a Q3 map with nontrivial lighting? The Pain! |
| 20:37.10 | blast007 | argiopeweb: is it your server? |
| 20:37.17 | argiopeweb | Yeah. |
| 20:37.17 | JeffM2501 | is there water on the server? |
| 20:37.22 | argiopeweb | Yes. |
| 20:37.26 | JeffM2501 | then that is why |
| 20:37.26 | blast007 | ah :) |
| 20:37.32 | JeffM2501 | the server does the water kill check |
| 20:37.35 | argiopeweb | Water doesn't work yet on 2.1? |
| 20:37.37 | JeffM2501 | I need to fix that |
| 20:37.40 | JeffM2501 | yes it does |
| 20:37.40 | argiopeweb | XD |
| 20:37.42 | JeffM2501 | it's just VERY lagy |
| 20:37.44 | Epyon | Water cool ^_^ |
| 20:37.45 | argiopeweb | Oh. |
| 20:37.47 | argiopeweb | Right. |
| 20:37.50 | tannerld | lol |
| 20:37.53 | argiopeweb | 2.1 is laggy? |
| 20:37.57 | JeffM2501 | NO |
| 20:38.01 | argiopeweb | Good. :P |
| 20:38.02 | Epyon | How about a flag that temporarily raises water level? :PPP |
| 20:38.03 | JeffM2501 | the water death check is only done on the server |
| 20:38.08 | argiopeweb | Ah. |
| 20:38.13 | JeffM2501 | it needs to be done on both |
| 20:38.19 | argiopeweb | I see. |
| 20:38.20 | JeffM2501 | with the server doing a verify |
| 20:38.30 | JeffM2501 | it's a faulty implementation of server side death for water |
| 20:38.35 | argiopeweb | hehe |
| 20:39.08 | argiopeweb | Next question: Why do I get 25+ jitter on 2.1 servers? |
| 20:39.19 | brlcad | i.e. "a bug" |
| 20:39.21 | JeffM2501 | the jitter calcs are busted |
| 20:39.21 | blast007 | too much sugar |
| 20:39.25 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:39.29 | argiopeweb | Ah, another bug. xD |
| 20:39.35 | JeffM2501 | it's just in the display |
| 20:39.40 | argiopeweb | Right. |
| 20:39.41 | JeffM2501 | the real jitter is ow |
| 20:39.42 | JeffM2501 | low |
| 20:39.46 | tannerld | ll |
| 20:39.49 | tannerld | *lol |
| 20:39.54 | JeffM2501 | and also now jitter and lag matter little on 2.1 |
| 20:39.57 | JeffM2501 | since we do lag comp |
| 20:40.06 | argiopeweb | Lag comp? |
| 20:40.07 | argiopeweb | Nice. |
| 20:40.09 | brlcad | argiopeweb: you do realize that 2.1 is current development .. it's not how things are going to end up |
| 20:40.12 | brlcad | the sources are fluctuating |
| 20:40.21 | JeffM2501 | big time |
| 20:40.30 | brlcad | so not to be taken as that's how things "are" |
| 20:40.34 | JeffM2501 | we've had like what? 25ish proto revs since 2.0.x |
| 20:40.35 | argiopeweb | Yes, I know brlcad... I'm quite familiar with SVN/unstable development... |
| 20:41.01 | JeffM2501 | just be happy you can actualy CONNECT :) |
| 20:41.06 | argiopeweb | XD |
| 20:41.09 | JeffM2501 | that's a new feature for this week |
| 20:41.12 | argiopeweb | Well, that's sort of a given... |
| 20:41.12 | *** part/#bzflag donny_baker (n=donny_ba@about/essy/vvvvv/donnybaker) |
| 20:41.14 | blast007 | hehehe |
| 20:41.15 | argiopeweb | O really? |
| 20:41.18 | argiopeweb | Oh* |
| 20:41.23 | blast007 | worked fine for me ;) |
| 20:41.25 | argiopeweb | :P |
| 20:41.44 | argiopeweb | Hey, I could even connect on that crappy winsucks build that came off the forums... |
| 20:41.50 | JeffM2501 | well yeah, that's true, windows users got a preview of the connection code :) |
| 20:42.00 | blast007 | JeffM2501: I think even the Mac was fine with it |
| 20:42.02 | JeffM2501 | actualy windows was the only one that worked |
| 20:42.03 | argiopeweb | Server side shot recognition was borked, but I could connect. :P |
| 20:42.08 | blast007 | but maybe I didn't grab code at the right time |
| 20:42.20 | JeffM2501 | argiopeweb, there is no server side shot recognition |
| 20:42.27 | argiopeweb | ... |
| 20:42.31 | JeffM2501 | the server dosn't track shots |
| 20:42.33 | tannerld | heh |
| 20:42.36 | JeffM2501 | yet |
| 20:42.46 | blast007 | JeffM2501: think he means the flag vs shot type thing |
| 20:42.48 | TD-Linux | I just made some wiki stub pages for you, Epyon! |
| 20:42.50 | blast007 | he grabbed the forum alpha |
| 20:42.54 | blast007 | per-alpha* |
| 20:42.56 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 20:43.00 | JeffM2501 | oh that OLD one |
| 20:43.00 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 20:43.02 | argiopeweb | Well, at the very least the all flag modifying shots didn't work. |
| 20:43.04 | blast007 | it was all screwy back then |
| 20:43.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah don't use that |
| 20:43.09 | argiopeweb | I didn't. |
| 20:43.21 | JeffM2501 | what shots modify flags? |
| 20:43.23 | tannerld | TD-Linux: eek redirects |
| 20:43.34 | argiopeweb | Strike that, reverse it. |
| 20:43.35 | Epyon | TD-Linux :P |
| 20:43.44 | argiopeweb | Shot modifying flags. XD |
| 20:43.48 | JeffM2501 | still sounds like old code if it was shot type info |
| 20:43.53 | blast007 | yup |
| 20:43.58 | JeffM2501 | that or you were laying on a server with weaponArena |
| 20:44.01 | blast007 | "that crappy winsucks build that came off the forums" |
| 20:44.05 | argiopeweb | XD |
| 20:44.14 | argiopeweb | I still don't know what weaponArena does. |
| 20:46.43 | JeffM2501 | 1 of 2 things |
| 20:46.58 | JeffM2501 | 1) sets the shot type for all flags to one type |
| 20:47.21 | JeffM2501 | or 2) sets the shot type to any random type on each pickup/spawn |
| 20:47.29 | argiopeweb | That's pretty cool. XD |
| 20:47.36 | argiopeweb | I'll have to play with it some day. |
| 20:47.38 | JeffM2501 | not realy |
| 20:47.49 | JeffM2501 | it should only be used rarely |
| 20:48.01 | JeffM2501 | and by other derivitive codebases |
| 20:48.08 | blast007 | it's on the level of "cool" of the airspawn plugin |
| 20:48.14 | blast007 | more or less just a test of a feature |
| 20:48.43 | blast007 | although CL+L is fun |
| 20:48.44 | argiopeweb | BTW, will the experiemental mode shots ever get shaded? They look pretty crappy from the back currently, even though they rock once you start getting reco. |
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| 20:48.52 | argiopeweb | CL+L++ |
| 20:49.08 | inchworm | bah, SDL doesn't compile |
| 20:49.29 | argiopeweb | Also, does anyone think that autohunt is good enough that I should compile a patched winsucks 2.0.9? |
| 20:49.44 | JeffM2501 | shaded? |
| 20:49.47 | argiopeweb | And/or bug fixes in 2.0.9 are good enough* |
| 20:50.00 | JeffM2501 | they are suposed to look like balls from the front and back |
| 20:50.10 | argiopeweb | JeffM2501: I'm not the master of opengl. I'm probably using the wrong term... |
| 20:50.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah GM is weak |
| 20:50.21 | argiopeweb | Yeah, GM sucks... |
| 20:50.25 | JeffM2501 | blast007, if you have an idea let me know |
| 20:50.34 | JeffM2501 | all my ideas ended up looking like sperm |
| 20:50.36 | blast007 | JeffM2501: I preferred that old .obj loader you had back in the day for GM ;) |
| 20:50.49 | argiopeweb | Regular shots look like 2 colors though... It's like regular shots in low quality mode. :\ |
| 20:51.01 | blast007 | with the smilie on the end of the missile |
| 20:51.04 | JeffM2501 | the missile? |
| 20:51.07 | argiopeweb | Looking like sperm jeff? |
| 20:51.08 | JeffM2501 | we can do the missle |
| 20:51.10 | argiopeweb | XD |
| 20:51.29 | JeffM2501 | tho I think I'd redo the missile this time |
| 20:51.35 | blast007 | I had that patched into my XL client |
| 20:51.44 | blast007 | with some texturing/blending fixes |
| 20:52.45 | argiopeweb | So yeah, they don't really look like balls, they look like circles with a lighter color circle around them... |
| 20:53.06 | JeffM2501 | thats what they are suposed to look like |
| 20:53.12 | argiopeweb | Really? |
| 20:53.14 | argiopeweb | Hmm. |
| 20:53.14 | JeffM2501 | they arn't suposed to match the old shots exactly |
| 20:53.22 | argiopeweb | Well, of course. |
| 20:53.27 | JeffM2501 | it's a series of nested pills |
| 20:54.22 | blast007 | it's fun to turn the shot speed way up, so that they stretch half way across the map |
| 20:54.35 | Epyon | what is "resetmat" used for? |
| 20:55.00 | JeffM2501 | Epyon, lets say you had a mesh that used a material that had a matrix |
| 20:55.08 | JeffM2501 | and you wanted to use that mesh again |
| 20:55.12 | JeffM2501 | but with out said matrix |
| 20:55.15 | JeffM2501 | or with another matrix |
| 20:55.34 | argiopeweb | XD |
| 20:55.36 | JeffM2501 | you put reset mat in the matrix applied to the instance you want, and then it undoes all that the origonal matrix did |
| 20:56.39 | Epyon | Hmm, I guess I still don't get that texture matrix stuff :/. And the link is nonexistant yet :/ |
| 20:57.31 | argiopeweb | Are you going to implement server variable that controls the ratio of speed to shot stretch Jeff? |
| 20:58.10 | JeffM2501 | probably not |
| 20:58.22 | JeffM2501 | as not all clients will have the new shots enabled |
| 20:58.28 | Epyon | Is there a Magic Material Name for the "world wall" texture? |
| 20:58.37 | JeffM2501 | Epyon, ok, do you understand what I mean about groups and instances |
| 20:58.46 | JeffM2501 | Epyon, no, you can turn it off, and add your own as a mesh |
| 20:59.00 | Epyon | How do I turn it off? |
| 20:59.08 | Epyon | BTW, It SHOULD be :P |
| 20:59.27 | JeffM2501 | it's an option in the world IIRC |
| 20:59.33 | JeffM2501 | you can turn off the walls and the ground |
| 20:59.39 | JeffM2501 | if your map is going to define its own |
| 21:00.07 | JeffM2501 | let me find it |
| 21:00.11 | Epyon | If I turn off walls will there still be a "invisible" barrier of the world size? |
| 21:01.51 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:02.03 | JeffM2501 | the game never can go outside the worldsize |
| 21:02.10 | JeffM2501 | add noWalls to your world |
| 21:02.37 | Epyon | Shouldn't it be here? :P http://my.bzflag.org/w/World_%28object%29 ? Shall I add it? :P |
| 21:03.06 | JeffM2501 | reload :) |
| 21:03.33 | Epyon | CAPS-sickness noted :P |
| 21:03.42 | JeffM2501 | reload AGain |
| 21:03.47 | blast007 | heh |
| 21:03.50 | Epyon | :] |
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| 21:13.20 | blast007 | hmm, torBlock seems to have a mem leak ;) |
| 21:13.28 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 21:13.38 | blast007 | could be with cURL though |
| 21:14.05 | blast007 | in the last 30 hours, it's gone from 0.4% of my 1GB RAM to 1.0% |
| 21:14.16 | blast007 | no players, just a non-public server |
| 21:14.45 | blast007 | I was running another instance with the same minimal config, without the plugin, and it's still holding at 0.3% |
| 21:15.09 | JeffM2501 | could also be in curl |
| 21:15.14 | blast007 | yup |
| 21:15.21 | JeffM2501 | o rit's not freeing something from curl |
| 21:15.48 | blast007 | what tool would I use to find a memory leak? |
| 21:16.19 | blast007 | on linux |
| 21:16.25 | blast007 | valgrind? |
| 21:16.43 | JeffM2501 | ya |
| 21:17.02 | blast007 | guess I'll play around with that on my VM |
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| 21:26.03 | Epyon | maaaaan, the default texturing of the meshpyr is wieeeerd o.O |
| 21:28.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:28.11 | JeffM2501 | that's another reason you should use just meshes |
| 21:28.37 | JeffM2501 | it's all turned into faces on the client anyway |
| 21:33.18 | Epyon | How are the normals for meshes generated if normals are not supplied? Per-face normals? |
| 21:37.15 | Dessy | hi any developers here? |
| 21:38.33 | argiopeweb | Nope. |
| 21:38.35 | argiopeweb | None. |
| 21:38.44 | argiopeweb | Just 90% of the main developing force... |
| 21:39.29 | argiopeweb | Just ask your question. Someone will answer. |
| 21:39.41 | argiopeweb | Just don't ask silly questions if you don't want silly answers. :P |
| 21:43.02 | Dessy | i dont have a question |
| 21:43.07 | Dessy | i will report a bug |
| 21:43.37 | Dessy | if u want to use autopilot on server where is it not allowed |
| 21:43.55 | Dessy | u must only join the server and if u see the map u must press 9 |
| 21:44.02 | Epyon | Second question -- more than one material on a single mesh is allowed? |
| 21:46.11 | brlcad | Epyon: I believe so |
| 21:47.49 | argiopeweb | What's the v2_0_cs_branch? |
| 21:48.09 | CBG` | Dessy: explain. You're saying, you can use autopilot on a server that does not allow it... by pressing the autopilot key ? |
| 21:48.32 | argiopeweb | Yes, right when the map is loading. |
| 21:48.32 | brlcad | argiopeweb: it's an effort to integrate the Crystal Space render engine with BZFlag |
| 21:48.40 | argiopeweb | That bug has been around for ages. |
| 21:48.58 | CBG` | Ah, yes... before the map fully loads. |
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| 21:49.40 | brlcad | argiopeweb: http://my.bzflag.org/w/CrystalSpace_client |
| 21:49.53 | argiopeweb | Can't be helped. But you can't get out of autopilot in the event that you do use that bug. |
| 21:54.33 | argiopeweb | brlcad: Any advantages over the current GL setup? |
| 21:54.51 | Dessy | yes cbg |
| 21:56.05 | brlcad | argiopeweb: advantages? depends on what you mean by that |
| 21:56.36 | brlcad | it's very experimental |
| 21:56.52 | brlcad | there are lots of advantages for integrating with an engine in general |
| 21:57.25 | *** part/#bzflag LongDon (n=LongDon@dialin-78009.ewetel.net) |
| 21:57.57 | brlcad | if you're asking from a user's perspective, then it's entirely not intended to be used yet by anyone -- so no, absolutely no advantages to a player at the moment |
| 22:00.27 | Epyon | JeffM2501, BTW, there's an autokick if leaving the "world" area, there is no invisible box :( |
| 22:08.34 | brlcad | "there is no invisible box"? |
| 22:08.48 | brlcad | if it's invisible... |
| 22:09.25 | Epyon | So how to prevent "jumping" out of the map if there is "noWalls" on? |
| 22:10.25 | brlcad | if you turn off the walls, that's supposed to imply that you're going to make your own walls |
| 22:10.30 | brlcad | or barriers, etc |
| 22:11.24 | brlcad | otherwise, it lets you make maps that are up in the air, and you die when you leave the confines of the world |
| 22:22.24 | argiopeweb | So, if there's no MSVC in the 2.0.9 SVN, how do (did) the microsoft builders build? |
| 22:24.43 | argiopeweb | Ah, there it is... Just isn't in the same place as 2.1SVN. |
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| 22:25.40 | CIA-18 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14146 10/trunk/bzflag/ (6 files in 5 dirs): s/_USE_BZ_API/BZ_PLUGINS/g mild consistency with other symbols |
| 22:25.52 | argiopeweb | :\ |
| 22:26.05 | argiopeweb | Good thing I don't build for every commit. XD |
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| 22:27.43 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v orchid] by ChanServ |
| 22:37.18 | CIA-18 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14147 10/trunk/bzflag/README.MacOSX: clarify, cleanup. on their own, should know what they're doing, yada yada |
| 22:50.14 | JeffM2501 | Epyon, yeah cus no valid client will let them go outside |
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| 23:00.08 | Epyon | Heh, I just noticed that the ambient light on a BZF day is blue :P. Any way to tweak that? (just curious) |
| 23:01.11 | Epyon | If my questions like that will go on, you'll have enough of me even before the "official" part of GSoC starts xP |
| 23:01.52 | KTL | or they want to keep you to see their investments returned |
| 23:02.05 | KTL | on a leash :) |
| 23:04.59 | argiopeweb | Anyone besides me having problems with patching 2.0.9 using Trepan's autohunt patch? |
| 23:05.30 | argiopeweb | patch autohunt_bz2.0.9_v3.0.diff -d bzflag/ --verbose |
| 23:05.50 | argiopeweb | From ~/bzflag/src/ gives me nothing. |
| 23:06.16 | argiopeweb | No output, no cpu time used, notta. |
| 23:07.08 | KTL | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.22 | argiopeweb | ./autogen.sh |
| 23:07.33 | JeffM2501 | Epyon, we don't have any lighting controlls |
| 23:07.45 | argiopeweb | Well, make clean, then ./configure will work. |
| 23:07.49 | Epyon | kay |
| 23:08.14 | JeffM2501 | would not be to hard to add tho |
| 23:08.17 | JeffM2501 | as some bzdb vars |
| 23:08.32 | argiopeweb | Hehe, that'd be cool... |
| 23:08.52 | argiopeweb | People could make servers with neon pink light. XD |
| 23:09.09 | argiopeweb | Any words on my patch predicament jeff? |
| 23:09.29 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 23:09.34 | JeffM2501 | paches may not work |
| 23:09.38 | Epyon | I see light as a World object modifier in bzw |
| 23:09.40 | argiopeweb | True. |
| 23:10.15 | JeffM2501 | you can set bzdb vars in the map |
| 23:10.26 | JeffM2501 | it's more then one color |
| 23:10.39 | JeffM2501 | day -> sunset->night->sunrise :) |
| 23:10.51 | purple_cow | your patch better include a disco ball |
| 23:11.18 | argiopeweb | Disco ball FTW! |
| 23:11.52 | argiopeweb | Eh, where is Trepan when I need him... |
| 23:12.07 | JeffM2501 | he quit active dev long ago |
| 23:12.09 | argiopeweb | If I knew what rev he based the patches on, it'd be easy to implememnt. XD |
| 23:12.14 | argiopeweb | Yeah, I know. :( |
| 23:12.24 | JeffM2501 | he would not know the rev |
| 23:12.33 | JeffM2501 | as it would have been done on CVS :) |
| 23:12.45 | JeffM2501 | didn't auto hunt get put in mainline? |
| 23:13.11 | argiopeweb | Yeah, good point... |
| 23:13.29 | argiopeweb | Only into mainline 2.1. No new features in the 2.0.* line. |
| 23:13.48 | argiopeweb | And yeah, last patch was released in Feb, so you still would have been on CVS. |
| 23:13.56 | JeffM2501 | can't be a complex patch |
| 23:13.58 | argiopeweb | May* |
| 23:13.59 | JeffM2501 | just do it by hand |
| 23:14.00 | argiopeweb | Not Feb. |
| 23:14.02 | argiopeweb | :P |
| 23:14.07 | argiopeweb | ... |
| 23:14.22 | argiopeweb | It's an 1800 line patch... And I'd be doing it by hand in VIM. |
| 23:14.29 | argiopeweb | Not my idea of fun. |
| 23:14.47 | JeffM2501 | for auto hunt that seems odd |
| 23:16.15 | argiopeweb | [elliot@server2 src]$ wc -l autohunt_bz2.0.9_v3.0.diff |
| 23:16.16 | argiopeweb | 1864 autohunt_bz2.0.9_v3.0.diff |
| 23:16.21 | argiopeweb | :\ |
| 23:16.31 | purple_cow | surely patch can do a lot for you |
| 23:16.56 | argiopeweb | Nope. |
| 23:16.59 | argiopeweb | It isn't doing anything. |
| 23:18.04 | JeffM2501 | patch is odd |
| 23:18.20 | bryjen | that would be because you're using it wrong. cd /your/bz/dir ; patch < the.diff |
| 23:19.29 | bryjen | it doesn't take the diff file as an argument. you feed it to stdin with a pipe or < |
| 23:19.38 | argiopeweb | Ah, I see. |
| 23:20.00 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 23:20.02 | argiopeweb | Doesn't explain why it doesn't work on winsux... Of course, not much explains why things don't work there... |
| 23:20.22 | JeffM2501 | depends what patch app your using |
| 23:20.31 | JeffM2501 | if you don' like windows, don't use it |
| 23:20.47 | argiopeweb | I'm forced to. :\ |
| 23:20.52 | JeffM2501 | doubtfull |
| 23:20.59 | argiopeweb | Unfortunate, but true. |
| 23:21.13 | argiopeweb | Though I must say, MSVC is a nice IDE. |
| 23:21.19 | JeffM2501 | somone is holding a gun to your head? |
| 23:21.32 | bryjen | ~roulette JeffM2501 |
| 23:21.35 | ibot | ACTION watches JeffM2501 pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 23:21.37 | argiopeweb | No, I'm unable to do college courses on anything but a windows machine. |
| 23:22.00 | KTL | school forces you to use ms stuff? |
| 23:22.27 | argiopeweb | And I'm using the tortoiseSVN merge utility on windows. |
| 23:22.48 | JeffM2501 | dosn't mean you can't dual boot, or VM it :) |
| 23:22.53 | JeffM2501 | it's your choice |
| 23:23.07 | JeffM2501 | yeah the tort merge is wierd |
| 23:23.11 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't like some paths |
| 23:23.32 | argiopeweb | Well, dual-boot doesn't work on my laptop. My wireless card isn't supported, and won't be until the next major release of the Linux kernel. |
| 23:23.55 | argiopeweb | And VM == SLOW. :P |
| 23:24.21 | JeffM2501 | dosn't mean you can't, means it's your choice :) |
| 23:24.26 | JeffM2501 | there is a command line patch |
| 23:24.41 | argiopeweb | Hmm, interesting. The scoreboard render files don't patch. :\ |
| 23:24.53 | argiopeweb | Uhm, yeah... I'm a command line geek Jeff. |
| 23:25.00 | JeffM2501 | then use the CLI tools |
| 23:25.02 | JeffM2501 | they exist |
| 23:25.03 | argiopeweb | I run command line 60% of the time. |
| 23:25.16 | argiopeweb | CLI tools? |
| 23:25.37 | argiopeweb | Oops, gtg... I'm late for my supper date. |
| 23:25.41 | argiopeweb | See y'all. |
| 23:31.05 | *** join/#bzflag CBG (n=CBG@about/essy/fan/CBG) |
| 23:31.49 | JeffM2501 | who was that guy? |
| 23:34.39 | KTL | Elliot Robinson <argiopeweb [at] earthlink.net> probably |
| 23:38.10 | KTL | addicted nethack player it seems |
| 23:39.04 | KTL | :) |
| 23:39.06 | TD-Linux | oh oh |
| 23:39.13 | TD-Linux | now you have spurred me to play nethack |
| 23:39.16 | JeffM2501 | just never heard the name before |
| 23:39.19 | TD-Linux | ~lart KTL |
| 23:39.19 | ibot | sends a legion of lawyers after KTL's head |
| 23:39.25 | argiopeweb | Elliot Robinson, argiopeweb@earthlink.net. Crazyme/Dekillu on BZ. |
| 23:39.28 | KTL | no no play starcract instead! |
| 23:39.34 | argiopeweb | (Formerly) addicted nethack player. |
| 23:39.38 | argiopeweb | How did you know KTL? |
| 23:39.46 | KTL | long live google |
| 23:39.52 | argiopeweb | Ah, of course. :) |
| 23:39.59 | TD-Linux | starcraft costs money. |
| 23:40.16 | KTL | not much, it was so cheap i even bought it |
| 23:40.32 | argiopeweb | I used to spend 18 hours a day playing NH... |
| 23:40.33 | KTL | it is not warcraft |
| 23:40.34 | TD-Linux | anyway, this computer would have issues playing that |
| 23:40.43 | TD-Linux | the gui version of nethack is stressful on this computer |
| 23:40.49 | argiopeweb | <.< |
| 23:40.53 | argiopeweb | Eww. |
| 23:40.59 | argiopeweb | ASCII NH FTW! |
| 23:41.11 | argiopeweb | I never even used IBM/DEC... |
| 23:41.12 | KTL | ... nethack ... ascii ... stressful??? :P |
| 23:41.46 | argiopeweb | I went through a small period where I would switch when I was in the mines, but I decided it wasn't worth the time it took to hit <shift>-o. XD |
| 23:41.59 | argiopeweb | I could make 15 moves in that time... |
| 23:42.58 | argiopeweb | Nethack is one of the best games ever created. Period. |
| 23:43.08 | argiopeweb | Takes a lot of time and mental stamina to play though. |
| 23:43.17 | TD-Linux | I haven't played it much |
| 23:43.21 | argiopeweb | And a large pad of paper, if you're gonna play right. |
| 23:43.22 | TD-Linux | didn't make it past the second level :P |
| 23:43.27 | KTL | :D |
| 23:43.46 | argiopeweb | I've ascended almost half the classes, but only 2 on NAO. |
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| 23:51.28 | argiopeweb | Hmm. |
| 23:51.33 | argiopeweb | Yeah, I'd say you were. :P |
| 23:52.01 | argiopeweb | Well, that is if you started anywhere near as early as I did... |
| 23:55.57 | binaryspike | Don't worry Argio, in 20-30 years people will be asking how old you are :P |
| 23:56.03 | argiopeweb | rofl |
| 23:56.19 | argiopeweb | Nah, only 15 years till I'm as old as Jeff. |
| 23:56.41 | argiopeweb | Geizer... |
| 23:56.43 | argiopeweb | :P |
| 23:56.45 | binaryspike | ooh I thought you were near my age |
| 23:56.52 | argiopeweb | Or is that giezer... |
| 23:57.01 | argiopeweb | Nope, 19. |
| 23:57.11 | argiopeweb | Yes. |
| 23:57.24 | argiopeweb | I didn't see a low gravity yet, but slow binoculars is SOOOOOO nice. |
| 23:57.27 | binaryspike | ooh binoculars have animated zoom now? |
| 23:57.34 | argiopeweb | Didn't they always? |
| 23:57.41 | KTL | no, the rotation speed is now adapted |
| 23:57.44 | argiopeweb | Oh, I see what you mean. |
| 23:58.32 | KTL | and the identify flag lists the founded flags in the message window too |
| 23:58.51 | JeffM2501 | that's cus it comes from the server now :) |
| 23:58.51 | binaryspike | ooooh |
| 23:59.06 | KTL | ah the client does not know that anymore nice :) |
| 23:59.23 | argiopeweb | That's cool. |
| 23:59.23 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 23:59.33 | argiopeweb | Keeps people from abusing that. :P |
| 23:59.37 | JeffM2501 | all flags are marked as PZ |
| 23:59.51 | JeffM2501 | an the sever just says what the closest one |