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| 02:06.48 | menotume | brlcad spaced out ? |
| 02:07.13 | menotume | i/o tabs? :P |
| 02:07.15 | brlcad | belated reply |
| 02:07.34 | brlcad | or did you mean.. |
| 02:07.40 | brlcad | b r l c a d |
| 02:07.42 | menotume | Quolio |
| 02:07.52 | Quol | what's up boys and girls |
| 02:07.58 | brlcad | howdy Q |
| 02:08.09 | brlcad | how goes it up in the great white north? |
| 02:08.17 | menotume | i thought the grumble was about the alst commit |
| 02:08.36 | Quol | brlcad, it's slowly getting warmer :) |
| 02:08.40 | menotume | still white u there ? |
| 02:09.14 | menotume | why don't they make keyboards like they used to ? |
| 02:09.27 | menotume | i wish i had my old IBM k/b that weighed like 20 lbs |
| 02:11.14 | Quol | meno - on /. I came across an article a while back on some guy who took an ancient IBM keybaord, and turned it into a tough retro type-writer-ish keyboard - you talking about something like that ? :) |
| 02:11.31 | menotume | it was like that |
| 02:11.50 | menotume | it was with the original IBM-PCs |
| 02:12.06 | Quol | ya - that's the one where this guy hacked apart |
| 02:12.25 | Quol | looked pretty cool after he finished mangling it |
| 02:12.29 | menotume | lol |
| 02:12.35 | menotume | what did he do to it |
| 02:13.18 | menotume | kinda like this ... |
| 02:13.18 | menotume | http://www.dansdata.com/images/ibmboard/ibmboard320.jpg |
| 02:13.26 | menotume | looks 'normal', but it was BUILT |
| 02:14.02 | menotume | the keys were real switches |
| 02:14.07 | Quol | http://steampunkworkshop.com/keyboard.shtml |
| 02:14.18 | menotume | ahhh, geeek ! |
| 02:14.20 | Quol | gotta love google :) |
| 02:14.42 | menotume | but, they'll last forever |
| 02:15.14 | Quol | ya - that URL was the first in the list, exactly what I was looking for :) |
| 02:15.29 | menotume | that's cool though, the pic at the bottom |
| 02:15.33 | Quol | took longer to open up firefox then to find the site - lol |
| 02:15.45 | Quol | ya - looks pretty nice |
| 02:16.47 | menotume | whoa, 'a version is still made today', /me searches |
| 02:19.35 | menotume | w00t .... http://www.pckeyboard.com |
| 02:25.07 | menotume | bummer, they don't have it in black anymore |
| 02:29.30 | menotume | oh crap, to get a black one, it has to have a 'wondows' button, /me contnues to look |
| 02:29.58 | DTRemenak | menotume: think of it as "meta" :) |
| 02:30.14 | menotume | YAY ... http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/linux101.html |
| 02:30.35 | menotume | true, can use it for something i guess |
| 02:30.47 | DTRemenak | ctrl where capslock should be just pisses me off :) |
| 02:30.55 | brlcad | heh |
| 02:31.40 | brlcad | crazy solarians |
| 02:32.19 | DTRemenak | caps lock is not in a bad place for a meta key though, I wouldn't mind that...but the various locks should all be up next to their leds for maximum usability :) |
| 02:33.10 | blast007 | heh, we got a keyboard like that for the old UltraSPARC system here |
| 02:33.41 | menotume | here you go dtr ... http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/pckeyboards_1940_74408 |
| 02:34.22 | menotume | i LOVE these old keyboards, hit the corner of a key, and it still works |
| 02:34.33 | Think_Differentl | I had one of those oldy keyboards. |
| 02:34.35 | Think_Differentl | PS2. |
| 02:34.39 | Think_Differentl | Then i took it apart! |
| 02:34.40 | Think_Differentl | YAY! |
| 02:34.43 | menotume | heh |
| 02:34.55 | DTRemenak | I smashed someone's mouse with one once :) |
| 02:35.07 | Think_Differentl | I took they keys and re-arranged them in abcdefg instead of qwerty |
| 02:35.16 | menotume | they weight 4.9 pounds :) |
| 02:35.33 | DTRemenak | as a demonstration, of course...there is an advantage to a steel backplate and all-metal frame |
| 02:36.38 | menotume | i think that's the one, in black / usb, i can live without email, shopping, etc keys (which i have never used) |
| 02:37.51 | DTRemenak | he asked me why I carried that "junky keyboard" around, and I told him so I could kill people with it, and he laughed at me and asked for a demonstration. so I asked if I could use his mouse, and oddly enough, he agreed :) |
| 02:38.02 | menotume | rofl ! |
| 02:38.25 | blast007 | hehe |
| 02:39.15 | DTRemenak | then I plugged it back in and continued playing with it. he was sufficiently impressed. |
| 02:39.41 | menotume | $75 with shipping, probably cheaper than what i'd spend on cheap k/bs for the next 10 years or so |
| 02:40.14 | DTRemenak | or 20 |
| 02:40.27 | DTRemenak | mine's a 1986 model |
| 02:40.37 | menotume | i gigure usb will be outdated first :) |
| 02:40.49 | DTRemenak | swap cords (I assume they still have that feature) |
| 02:40.55 | menotume | true |
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| 02:43.07 | DTRemenak | I actually have a small collection of these...enough to last the rest of my life, I figure, at 20 years each :) |
| 02:43.15 | menotume | hehe |
| 02:43.28 | Think_Differentl | ugh |
| 02:43.29 | menotume | well, i'll have one soon, oreder placed |
| 02:43.32 | Think_Differentl | the egg is slow today. |
| 02:43.34 | Think_Differentl | :P |
| 02:43.55 | menotume | now, i won't be able to blame the keyboard for typos |
| 02:44.05 | DTRemenak | an 84, an 86, two 87's, an 88, three 89s, and several early-mid 90's (which are the blue oval model, slightly inferiour to the older white-oval and silver-square models) |
| 02:44.20 | menotume | keyboard hog ! |
| 02:44.34 | DTRemenak | some old guy was giving away a bunch of ps/2 systems :) |
| 02:44.40 | menotume | ahhh |
| 02:44.44 | Think_Differentl | lol |
| 02:44.53 | menotume | i may have to hit ebay for a couple of more later on |
| 02:45.42 | menotume | oh man, i just missed Trenton computer festival :( |
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| 02:46.12 | menotume | any1 ever been ? |
| 02:46.23 | menotume | they have (or had) a flea market that is HUGE |
| 02:46.32 | menotume | all kinds of old cool junk :) |
| 02:47.33 | menotume | I met 'Bill' there one year, many moons ago :) |
| 02:47.59 | SportChick | menotume: they have one of those out here too :) |
| 02:48.14 | menotume | nothing beats Trenton's :) |
| 02:48.32 | menotume | been doing it every year for 32 years :) |
| 02:49.08 | DTRemenak | menotume: they're typically ~$20 on ebay after shipping (which is usually not insignficant) |
| 02:49.37 | menotume | cool |
| 02:50.23 | menotume | ya, Bill Gates was a keynote speaker back in 1980-something |
| 02:51.47 | DTRemenak | just remember to check the part numbers - 1390131 and 1391401 are superiour to the older (1390120) and later (52G*/92G*/42H*) models |
| 02:51.59 | menotume | ah, good to know |
| 02:52.56 | DTRemenak | there are some other part numbers too, mostly foreign layouts (but removable keycaps, so...) ...I think wikipedia has them all listed |
| 02:53.46 | DTRemenak | wow, actually wikipedia has a very nice feature-checkbox list |
| 02:54.26 | DTRemenak | the newer ones are most common, and easily identifiable (blue logo) |
| 02:56.11 | menotume | Buckling sprint - that's the ticket ! :) |
| 02:56.11 | menotume | spring |
| 02:56.11 | DTRemenak | yup! |
| 02:56.31 | DTRemenak | the single disadvantage is the noise...that's the only reason I don't take one to work |
| 02:56.46 | menotume | hehe |
| 02:56.57 | DTRemenak | I was fortunate that my college roommate did not object :) |
| 02:57.39 | menotume | ahhh, what's a little clicking amoung friends ? |
| 02:57.43 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 02:59.21 | DTRemenak | replacable keyswitches are nice too, though I've only had one fail (F6, so I didn't care too much anyway) |
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| 02:59.52 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, I want to split off 2 other things from the player :) |
| 02:59.55 | DTRemenak | plenty of lost keycaps though...I think I'm missing about 20 out of they bunches I have (I personally have only lost 2) |
| 03:00.09 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: what things? :) |
| 03:00.33 | JeffM2501 | chat and visusal tank :) |
| 03:00.45 | DTRemenak | ...ok |
| 03:00.49 | JeffM2501 | so that visual tanks just become generic mobile objects that are updated by the server |
| 03:00.51 | DTRemenak | the second one I understand |
| 03:00.57 | DTRemenak | not sure I get the first though |
| 03:01.04 | JeffM2501 | and chat is just chat from a chat target |
| 03:01.15 | JeffM2501 | so that chat can come from someone else (IRC/IM) |
| 03:01.28 | JeffM2501 | tho if that is tied to the scoreboard player, no biggie |
| 03:01.44 | JeffM2501 | client should be super dumb and jsut be playing basicly a movie from the server :) |
| 03:02.12 | DTRemenak | ok, works for me :) |
| 03:04.07 | JeffM2501 | then we can spawn and update non player mobile objects :) |
| 03:04.36 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 03:05.44 | a_meteorite | does that mean what I think it means.. |
| 03:09.04 | JeffM2501 | if you think it means the only way a client can see a "player" is by the scoreboard then your right :) |
| 03:12.54 | JeffM2501 | so when a MoB spawns we just send it a postion, vec, and label |
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| 03:24.25 | JeffM2501 | part of me even ponders making shots into generic mobile objects, and send the strat as a paramater for a prediction type :) |
| 03:24.41 | JeffM2501 | and just flag them as "volitile" for splosion/death prediction |
| 03:27.21 | a_meteorite | that would allow us to do a lot of neat things |
| 03:27.43 | JeffM2501 | posibly |
| 03:27.53 | JeffM2501 | tho it could make every game difent and confusing as hell |
| 03:27.59 | a_meteorite | yeah.. |
| 03:40.38 | SportChick | ~dtremenak++ |
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| 03:51.09 | JeffM2501 | heh "you can't take something off the internet, that's like trying to take the pee out of a pool" |
| 03:56.22 | rob1n | very true |
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| 12:32.32 | KTL | are there any dangers about manually editing a patch file/ |
| 12:32.34 | KTL | ? |
| 12:33.00 | ruskie | you can ussualy mess it up badly... |
| 12:33.16 | ruskie | easier to to diff -Nuar foo.orig foo |
| 12:33.23 | KTL | ok nice answer i will just delete some comments in my code :D |
| 12:34.03 | ruskie | you need to adjust the line numbers etc if you plan on removing full lines |
| 12:36.15 | KTL | i want to have a large radar, but that does not mean i want all the text overlapping the rest of my screen |
| 12:36.42 | ruskie | :) |
| 12:36.45 | ruskie | agreed |
| 12:38.45 | KTL | and now if you disable radar |
| 12:38.51 | KTL | then the font size changes all of a sudden |
| 12:39.03 | KTL | fixed that too |
| 13:03.06 | KTL | https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1711265&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
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| 15:25.19 | ToughShooter | ~ts++ |
| 15:25.32 | ts | ~ToughShooter-- |
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| 16:44.17 | KTL | JeffM2501, https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1711265&group_id=3248&atid=303248 <- i might have done something useful |
| 16:44.44 | JeffM2501 | what does it do? |
| 16:45.05 | KTL | it limits the size of the text panel when the radarsize is increased |
| 16:45.22 | KTL | so that the radar can be set larger |
| 16:46.04 | KTL | without hindering the visual |
| 16:47.11 | JeffM2501 | fun |
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| 17:07.30 | uso | KTL: iirc there was already a patch which allowed to size radar and text panel independently |
| 17:07.36 | uso | that would be more useful |
| 17:08.01 | ts | yeah, Destroyer or Links 2004 coded it |
| 17:09.03 | uso | yes, the second one, the first one was from Foo |
| 17:09.09 | KTL | ah ok i did not see the function in the code |
| 17:09.58 | ts | Doesn't have an advantage anyway for me...so I don't mod my client further |
| 17:11.00 | uso | ts: you also play with text panel off? |
| 17:11.30 | KTL | euh that text panel is important ... |
| 17:11.55 | KTL | it tells me what flag my opponent just took behind my back, could be a sw, then i certainly should not turn around to check |
| 17:11.56 | uso | sometimes yes, but costs too many fps for me :( |
| 17:13.54 | KTL | if it does not go in the standard client then I will modify mine |
| 17:14.21 | KTL | instead of hours looking to a 5 by 5 cm square in the left part of my screen |
| 17:15.38 | uso | but a 30" monitor and it gets 9 by 9 cm :) |
| 17:15.49 | uso | buy* |
| 17:16.34 | KTL | efficiency ... i work with 2 screens next to each other, so i should buy 2 30" screens |
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| 17:23.24 | uso | make a patch to have the radar at one screen and the rest at the other ;) |
| 17:24.01 | TheRedBaron | ~uso++ |
| 17:25.16 | uso | TheRedBaron: though i'm afraid this will not get accepted ;) |
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| 17:25.36 | TheRedBaron | yea |
| 17:26.22 | exu | hey is #bzchat general chat abd this dev chat? |
| 17:26.42 | blast007 | exu: typically |
| 17:27.01 | blast007 | there is cross-over at certain times |
| 17:27.06 | exu | makes sense ;) |
| 17:28.03 | exu | you mean you talk about other things than code? |
| 17:29.17 | ts | uso: Text panel always on |
| 17:35.18 | JeffM2501 | that's be a bit more then a patch :) |
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| 20:21.39 | KTL | http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/rc/6279/ |
| 20:23.11 | The_Vaxorcist | ooh, I want one |
| 20:24.18 | KTL | i could not find it in the toy stores 10 years ago but now i finally now it exists ... |
| 20:25.31 | The_Vaxorcist | hold a bzflag tournament with them :) |
| 20:25.40 | KTL | *jump* |
| 20:25.58 | KTL | mmm ... a square room with webcams on it ... |
| 20:26.08 | KTL | tanks remote controled through the internet ... |
| 20:26.12 | KTL | controlled |
| 20:26.19 | The_Vaxorcist | bunch of bricks |
| 20:26.37 | KTL | that one no jump map that's so popular nowadays |
| 20:26.42 | KTL | that can be implemented |
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| 20:39.45 | The_Vaxorcist | could someone here commit my patch? |
| 20:39.49 | The_Vaxorcist | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1703821&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 20:41.08 | JeffM2501 | it'll get commited, just chill |
| 20:41.22 | The_Vaxorcist | ok |
| 20:41.24 | JeffM2501 | we've got a bit before 2.2 ships |
| 20:43.46 | The_Vaxorcist | i'll wait |
| 20:45.40 | Erroneous | you're welcome to occasionally ping us about it (pardon the terrible pun), sometimes patches do get unintentionally neglected. it's up to whoever's on to choose to review it or not though, so don't expect too much too soon :) |
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| 20:47.12 | The_Vaxorcist | that's what I figured |
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| 21:47.31 | L4m3r | um... Erroneous, what'd I say? o_O |
| 21:47.56 | Erroneous | L4m3r: "bitches" |
| 21:48.00 | Erroneous | you're unbanned now |
| 21:48.04 | L4m3r | thx |
| 21:49.05 | JeffM2501 | it's no challenge unless you write a bot and then make it ban yoursef :) |
| 21:49.52 | Erroneous | heh |
| 21:56.44 | L4m3r | yes, JeffM2501, we remember, and laughed very hard for you. :D |
| 21:56.54 | JeffM2501 | stupid bot |
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| 23:08.53 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, I'm writing a buffered unpacker |
| 23:09.06 | Erroneous | cool |
| 23:09.08 | JeffM2501 | as a nice little derivable class :) |
| 23:09.12 | Erroneous | heh |
| 23:09.38 | JeffM2501 | I found myself writing the code for it like a 5th time, and I go "hey....." |
| 23:10.08 | Erroneous | heh |
| 23:10.23 | JeffM2501 | class ShortShortNetworkPeer |
| 23:11.46 | Erroneous | shortshort? is there a longshort too? :) |
| 23:11.53 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 23:12.07 | JeffM2501 | means it takes a short for a "code" then a short for a message size |
| 23:12.14 | JeffM2501 | I may need a shortLong one later |
| 23:12.22 | JeffM2501 | doubtfull |
| 23:12.42 | JeffM2501 | or at that point maybe I'd template it |
| 23:12.47 | Erroneous | templates! |
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