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04:13.50JeffM2501I can't remember if it was biggeruniverse or blast that found that POV to obj converer, it gets me pointed in the right place, thanks :)
04:14.27blast007the python one? that was biggeruniverse
04:14.35JeffM2501ahh
04:14.47JeffM2501it shows me the formating of the meshes :)
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14:56.22Macinthey do any of u guys know any rubyonrails?
14:58.08ruskiehmm this isn't #ror or #rubyonrails
14:58.11ruskiehow about trying there?
14:58.25Macinti tryd like evry budy ignored me
14:58.42ruskieyou ask then wait for a response
14:58.43Macintwhat does this mean? Register to talk: /msg nickserv help
14:58.54Macint???
14:59.04ruskieit's a channel that only allows registered ppl to talk
14:59.07ruskieso register
14:59.13Macintand how?
14:59.19ruskie/msg nickserv help
14:59.20Macintn00b sry
14:59.24Macinti did
14:59.24ruskieand follow the instructions
14:59.29Macintok
14:59.31Macintthx
14:59.33ruskie/msg nickserv help register
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15:01.42Macintthx guys
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15:34.16ruskieO.o what'd I do?
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15:35.45ts15 days left :D
15:37.38blast007hehe
15:42.31tsToo bad Tim is too lazy to do it
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17:04.16ibotspldart <n=whim@cpe-24-28-111-10.houston.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 2d 17h 7m 46s ago, saying: 'bye byes'.
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17:06.32JeffM2501he said he was quiting, what was that about?
17:08.25CBGwho, JeffM2501 ?
17:08.36JeffM2501spldart
17:08.50CBGhmm, don't remember it
17:09.03JeffM2501dosn't mean it didn't happen :)
17:09.55Pogovinahe's offline, no more servers
17:10.00CBGI agree, just saying I can't help ya ;)
17:10.15JeffM2501lost net?
17:10.34Pogovinayeah, it was not something we wanted but was necessary
17:10.47JeffM2501gotta make ends meet
17:10.55Pogovinaexactly
17:11.37Pogovinahopefully when I find a job we'll have the money to turn it back on. wish me luck! it's not been easy
17:12.18JeffM2501best of luck
17:12.38Pogovinathank you kind sir
17:13.03PogovinaI was hoping he had popped on at work, no dice
17:14.22Pogovinaok, well... have fun, guys :)
17:15.01CBGcya Pogovina
17:15.17Pogovinabyw CBG :)
17:15.21Pogovinabye too
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18:00.37JeffM2501how goes the joy of CS tupone ?
18:01.29tuponehehe, stopped for a while. Gone to paris and then doing something for gentoo. I will see again CS pretty soon
18:02.06JeffM2501ahh, how is the paris?
18:02.29tuponejust before the election? Incredibly quiet
18:02.47JeffM2501heh
18:02.58JeffM2501now a little less so? :)
18:03.37tuponeYep :/ I'm a fan of the Royal so a bit disappointed
18:04.39JeffM2501ahh
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21:41.10biggeruniverseI have a question about bzfsAPI.cxx
21:42.39biggeruniverselines 2670-2689. Is it me, or is the same thing done twice there, albeit with more or less checking?
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21:46.53JeffM2501trunk or branch?
21:47.11blast007probably both, but line numbers are of trunk
21:47.15biggeruniversetrunk
21:47.22blast007it's the the custom sound stuff
21:47.29JeffM2501ahh
21:47.30blast007which last I knew, crashed clients when used
21:47.31JeffM2501the hack :)
21:47.39JeffM2501it won't crash them in truni
21:47.43blast007ah
21:47.47blast007does it work now?
21:48.25JeffM2501yes that's the same thing for some reason biggeruniverse
21:48.29JeffM2501I'm not sure why
21:48.40JeffM2501the first section should be removed
21:48.44biggeruniverseok
21:48.46JeffM2501as it dosn't check the caps
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21:48.56biggeruniversethat's what I needed
21:49.15JeffM2501whatcha workin on?
21:49.39CIA-3BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14195 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx: don't send the sound messages twice.
21:49.45biggeruniversewho?
21:49.48JeffM2501you
21:49.56biggeruniverse<.<
21:49.58biggeruniverse>.>
21:50.00biggeruniversenothin'
21:50.09JeffM2501ooooohhhhhkkkaaayyy
21:51.49biggeruniverseI'm making bzfsAPI work with bzfs2-proto
21:51.51a_meteoriteJeff forgot his caffeine today
21:51.57JeffM2501ahh
21:51.58biggeruniverseslothman!
21:52.28JeffM2501not going to do the incremental changes to the existing code?
21:52.55biggeruniverseI need to have incremental changes for that to work
21:53.11JeffM2501umm yeah
21:53.27biggeruniverseThe changes to structure are rather large, thus the increments would likewise be rather large.
21:53.42JeffM2501that is expected
21:54.23biggeruniverseI wasn't interested in getting in the way of the 2.2 release
21:54.30JeffM2501I know
21:54.34JeffM2501I mean still for after
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21:54.43JeffM2501for 3.0 or whatever
21:54.56biggeruniverseOh, well then yes, I plan incrementals
21:55.02JeffM2501cool
21:55.31biggeruniverseI just happened to be going through bzfsAPI today.
21:55.39JeffM2501fun stuff
21:55.54biggeruniverseit has to be done somewhere
21:56.14JeffM2501nothing says the API has to stay the same
21:56.37JeffM2501your bzfs2 breaks most other behavor, why not break the API into something else/better?
21:56.40a_meteoriteI'd love to see even more low-level control over packets and stuff even (but don't replace existing functionality)
21:56.41biggeruniverseheh
21:56.50JeffM2501a_meteorite, that's be stupid
21:56.53a_meteoritewhy?
21:57.00JeffM2501then your plugin would be bound to the packet format
21:57.05JeffM2501and the exact protcoll
21:57.32a_meteoriteyeah you're right
21:57.34JeffM2501you just need low level controll over all the possible actions and messages
21:57.53JeffM2501a plug-in should never need to modify a packet
21:58.02JeffM2501if it did, the client wouldn't be able to read it
21:58.04biggeruniverseOf course, I need to add API calls for the structures I have added, and the only other thing is binding plugged-in message handlers to message types
21:58.25JeffM2501biggeruniverse, or just expose your message hander to the API direclty
21:58.53biggeruniversewell, the channels handle messages, and they give them to certain handlers based on mappings
21:59.14JeffM2501so let the API inserct handlers into that maping
21:59.24biggeruniversethese handlers are chained together, and any handler can break the chain for a given message
21:59.29biggeruniverseright
21:59.42JeffM2501so you can't have more then one handler for an event?
21:59.57biggeruniverseyou can have several, but they process a message in order
22:00.15JeffM2501what determines the order?
22:00.33biggeruniverseThe order of insertion into the chain
22:00.53JeffM2501kinda sucks for dynamic insertions that may just be stuck later then a call that breaks it
22:01.04JeffM2501why not just call em all?
22:01.05biggeruniverseright
22:01.23biggeruniversewhat if you want a filter at the start that can stop messages from going farther?
22:01.41JeffM2501who's to say that fiter is right
22:01.45JeffM2501for all cases
22:02.38biggeruniverseThe order is up to server administrator, and the filter would be like "word filter" bound to MsgMessage, and things like that
22:03.07biggeruniverseIt may not be right for all cases, but it's not worse than the current functionality, just more configurable.
22:03.19JeffM2501for some things I can see the reason, I don't agree with it being so high up in the message system
22:03.24JeffM2501I can see that for chat
22:03.28JeffM2501but not for like pos updates
22:03.46biggeruniverseI agree
22:04.51JeffM2501you plan on refactoring it?
22:05.14biggeruniverseI will be.
22:05.19JeffM2501fun
22:06.21biggeruniverseI'd never turn away help ;)
22:08.55JeffM2501diving into that would be hard
22:12.30biggeruniverseWell, I've got only a little bit of code for bzfs2 to make it work like I've said... In the current it would be difficult, especially since there is only one message processing stream.
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22:22.00CIA-3BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r14196 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ (LocalPlayer.cxx World.h playing.cxx): misc stuff hanging out in my tree. noop afaict, a bit of refactoring and some ws. hope it builds and such.
22:54.30biggeruniverseit doesn't build
22:55.27biggeruniverseunless I'm crazy (again)
22:57.07biggeruniverselike, two missing semicolons can ruin your whole day
22:57.58Winny:)
22:58.24biggeruniversehmm.... I'm going to leave this one alone...
22:59.17biggeruniverseDTRemenak: dude!
22:59.28CBGDuuuuuuuuuuuuude!
22:59.34Winnylike... what?
22:59.39biggeruniversetotally
22:59.42Winnyyeah man
22:59.42Erroneousbiggeruniverse: eh?
22:59.55biggeruniverseyep
23:00.07biggeruniverseI'll leave it to you to fix playing.cxx ;)
23:00.27Erroneouspast the error please?
23:00.30Erroneouspaste
23:00.55biggeruniverseyou're missing two semicolons and several functions are referenced as datamembers
23:01.39biggeruniverse3826
23:01.42biggeruniverse3970
23:01.58biggeruniverseI don't know, I fixed my version already...
23:02.01biggeruniverse3844
23:02.03biggeruniverse3834
23:02.31biggeruniversethere's a "control reaches end of non-void function" somewhere in there too
23:03.40CIA-3BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r14197 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: maybe build
23:04.11CIA-3BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r14198 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: quell warning
23:04.18Erroneoussee if that does it for you
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23:05.25Erroneousthat'll teach me to commit without building :)
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23:07.48ibotjeffm2501 is currently on #bzflag (6h 47m 33s). Has said a total of 53 messages. Is idling for 58m 53s, last said: 'diving into that would be hard'.
23:09.02JeffM2501?
23:09.38Erroneous!
23:09.45CBG.
23:10.24brlcadErroneous: I sure hope not
23:10.33brlcadat least it never taught me that...
23:11.47Erroneousand *something* taught you that :P
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23:21.09CIA-3opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10PowerPainter/ (7 files): inital support for loading POV mesh2 objects
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23:23.39JeffM2501biggeruniverse, thanks again for finding that python script :)
23:35.46biggeruniversenp
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