| 00:00.07 | biggeruniverse | ((sigghh) |
| 00:00.21 | biggeruniverse | gah! |
| 00:00.21 | CBG | ) |
| 00:00.32 | biggeruniverse | thanks |
| 00:00.48 | CBG | sure np yw anytime |
| 00:01.06 | a_meteorite | Parse error: Unknown token "gah!" on line 2 |
| 00:01.13 | biggeruniverse | CBG doesn't have my back. |
| 00:01.41 | CBG | a meteorite smacked me in the face and I was temporarily blinded |
| 00:01.44 | CBG | sorry biggeruniverse |
| 00:01.51 | biggeruniverse | CBG: heh |
| 00:02.18 | CBG | it musta come from the biggest universe! |
| 00:02.28 | biggeruniverse | a meteorite isn't a star, you know |
| 00:02.33 | a_meteorite | biggeruniverse is smaller than the universe that I come from! |
| 00:03.15 | biggeruniverse | this biggeruniverse lives on the intarwebs |
| 00:03.36 | a_meteorite | *internets |
| 00:05.20 | biggeruniverse | has anyone here worked with bullet physics? |
| 00:09.39 | biggeruniverse | I guess not |
| 00:10.00 | CBG | I didn't cover any topic named as such.. |
| 00:10.05 | CBG | but, what do you mean? |
| 00:10.08 | CBG | projectiles? |
| 00:10.17 | biggeruniverse | no, the physics engine |
| 00:11.05 | CBG | "the physics engine" ? |
| 00:11.21 | biggeruniverse | yeah. bullet, the physics engine |
| 00:11.41 | CBG | no. :P |
| 00:11.46 | biggeruniverse | :P :P |
| 00:11.53 | CBG | :P :P :P |
| 00:12.10 | biggeruniverse | bah! beaten again! |
| 00:12.17 | CBG | Muahaha. |
| 00:12.19 | biggeruniverse | I'll get you next time! |
| 00:13.39 | CBG | You'll never defeat me! |
| 00:13.41 | CBG | Luke, I am your father! |
| 00:13.43 | CBG | Wait - is that the right line? |
| 00:14.25 | biggeruniverse | No! That's not true! That's *impossible*! |
| 00:14.40 | biggeruniverse | Ben! |
| 00:14.47 | CBG | Cut! |
| 00:14.59 | biggeruniverse | Ow. That was my favorite hand. |
| 00:15.23 | CBG | What the hell are you doing, guys? This is 300. Leave the Star Wars crap out of it. |
| 00:15.37 | JeffM2501 | biggeruniverse, what about it? |
| 00:15.43 | JeffM2501 | the shot strat stuff you mean? |
| 00:16.17 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 00:16.18 | biggeruniverse | what? |
| 00:16.25 | biggeruniverse | strat? |
| 00:16.34 | JeffM2501 | the "Shot physics" is in the shot path/srategy |
| 00:16.53 | biggeruniverse | no no |
| 00:17.04 | JeffM2501 | then what do you mean? |
| 00:17.04 | biggeruniverse | I'm *completely* off topic |
| 00:17.09 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 00:17.11 | JeffM2501 | real balistics |
| 00:17.22 | biggeruniverse | well, the bullet physics engine actually |
| 00:17.57 | JeffM2501 | who's |
| 00:18.54 | biggeruniverse | um... |
| 00:19.07 | biggeruniverse | http://www.continuousphysics.com/ |
| 00:19.14 | biggeruniverse | who's on first? |
| 00:23.50 | biggeruniverse | I need a physics engine for another project I'm working on that can do "indoor" levels |
| 00:25.39 | JeffM2501 | ODE |
| 00:26.14 | JeffM2501 | tho Iv'e checked out that demo, it was prety cool |
| 00:26.20 | JeffM2501 | needed to make a dice roller |
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| 00:40.09 | lodxcol | has bzfs2.0.9 been known to give bus errors? |
| 00:41.31 | JeffM2501 | not generaly |
| 00:50.04 | biggeruniverse | was the driver executed? |
| 00:50.42 | biggeruniverse | I've used ODE a lot. It's clunky |
| 00:51.08 | biggeruniverse | (I'm even on JOODE project) |
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| 01:38.36 | Think_Differentl | ello, when configure outputs no curses, and no sdl, what packages should i install (i'm on ubuntu 64) |
| 01:40.22 | CIA-3 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10PowerPainter/ (PowerPainterDoc.cpp textures.cpp worldIO.cpp): |
| 01:40.22 | CIA-3 | opencombat: read textures from POV files |
| 01:40.22 | CIA-3 | opencombat: flip the R and B of BMP files on read. |
| 01:41.19 | biggeruniverse | ncurses and sdl? |
| 01:41.28 | biggeruniverse | is this a trick question? |
| 01:42.00 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 01:42.23 | JeffM2501 | Think_Differentl, did you install g++? |
| 01:46.08 | Think_Differentl | JeffM2501: yes |
| 01:46.22 | JeffM2501 | then you need the dev packages for both curses and sdl |
| 01:46.32 | Think_Differentl | Thier names? |
| 01:46.36 | JeffM2501 | search |
| 01:46.38 | JeffM2501 | for SDL |
| 01:46.42 | JeffM2501 | get the one that has dev |
| 01:46.50 | JeffM2501 | use synaptic |
| 01:46.54 | JeffM2501 | has a nice search feature |
| 01:49.40 | Think_Differentl | whoops |
| 01:49.50 | Think_Differentl | didnt see libsdl1.2 in search |
| 01:50.04 | JeffM2501 | there will be one |
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| 03:14.37 | Phantal | Does tim riker still come to this channel? |
| 03:15.42 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 03:15.43 | brlcad | yes |
| 03:16.02 | JeffM2501 | but he's not the only project admin if you needed something |
| 03:16.04 | brlcad | ~seen TimRiker |
| 03:16.59 | ibot | timriker <n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 6d 6h 30m 5s ago, saying: 'ouch. that's all I have is a WAP APN.'. |
| 03:16.59 | Phantal | actually, i need him for something unrelated |
| 03:17.11 | brlcad | send him e-mail or hang around, he'll show up eventually within a few days usually |
| 03:17.58 | Phantal | anyone here worked with him when he was figuring out info re: the usdtv boxes? |
| 03:18.21 | brlcad | not that I'm aware of |
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| 03:23.27 | jude- | hello all |
| 03:23.37 | brlcad | howdy jude- |
| 03:23.40 | jude- | hello brlcad |
| 03:23.48 | brlcad | how goes it |
| 03:23.59 | jude- | my brain is numb |
| 03:24.11 | brlcad | excellent |
| 03:24.23 | jude- | only one more to go, and just one measly final paper |
| 03:24.31 | jude- | in lieu of another final |
| 03:24.35 | SportChick | mmmmmm sushi :) |
| 03:25.05 | Epyon | jude-! |
| 03:25.12 | jude- | hello Epyon |
| 03:25.25 | Epyon | I wanted to talk to you :D |
| 03:25.38 | Epyon | You're doing the BZW editor right? |
| 03:25.40 | jude- | right |
| 03:26.04 | Epyon | It's going to be visual right? |
| 03:26.31 | jude- | yes |
| 03:26.47 | jude- | I still have the mock UIs available, if you're interested |
| 03:26.50 | brlcad | necessarily |
| 03:27.14 | Epyon | jude-, you're familliar with my GSOC project? |
| 03:27.14 | Phantal | so, out of curiosity, what is this channel dedicated to? |
| 03:27.37 | jude- | Epyon, vaguely--I've only seen the abstract |
| 03:27.43 | Epyon | Phantal, raping aimless little hentai girls |
| 03:27.49 | Phantal | interesting |
| 03:27.58 | Phantal | not helpless, just aimless |
| 03:28.28 | jude- | you're doing random level generation, right? |
| 03:28.30 | blast007 | Epyon: uh... that was not appropiate for the channel |
| 03:28.59 | Epyon | jude-, I'm doing a random level generator. But my problem is that probably input variables for the generator should be prepared before running the server. |
| 03:29.51 | jude- | they can't be generated at runtime? |
| 03:29.52 | Epyon | I will need a "visualisation" tool to tweak the parameters dynamicaly. I think about writing my own, but as a BZW editor is a similar thing then maybe we could come up with a mutual resolution? |
| 03:30.02 | jude- | that works |
| 03:30.04 | brlcad | Phantal: for most things related to bzflag |
| 03:30.11 | jude- | I'll probably have the 3D UI up by the end of July |
| 03:30.15 | Epyon | They can, but you'll need some parameters or generate "blindly" |
| 03:30.31 | jude- | I see |
| 03:30.34 | Phantal | brlcad, k, but what is bzflag? |
| 03:30.34 | Epyon | blast007, sorry :) |
| 03:30.44 | Epyon | blast007, could not resist ^^ |
| 03:30.52 | blast007 | I'm sure you could have |
| 03:30.55 | brlcad | Phantal: see http://bzflag.org (how'd you get here?) :) |
| 03:31.10 | Epyon | brlcad, I just wanted to ask the same question xP |
| 03:31.36 | jude- | I was going to contact you when my system was ready enough to handle random level generation |
| 03:31.36 | Phantal | brlcad, i'm looking to talk to tim riker, and his website said people could find him here. |
| 03:31.39 | jude- | as a feature |
| 03:31.42 | Phantal | Was just hoping to catch him here |
| 03:31.42 | Epyon | blast007, ok, I could have, but it was too funny not to :P |
| 03:31.53 | brlcad | Phantal: ah, k |
| 03:32.08 | Epyon | jude-, a common way to handle map data would be needed. |
| 03:32.18 | brlcad | Phantal: considering he's not been in here since last weekend, it might be a couple days |
| 03:32.22 | jude- | I'm going to simply write a BZW 2.0 parser |
| 03:32.29 | brlcad | but he will almost certainly be back sometime |
| 03:32.34 | Epyon | jude-, all my maps will be made solely out of meshes anyway. |
| 03:32.48 | jude- | as in, just mesh objects? |
| 03:33.02 | jude- | (i.e. no boxes, no pyramids, no built-in meshes, etc?) |
| 03:33.07 | brlcad | just meshes? why? |
| 03:34.02 | brlcad | not bad, just seems like a quirky limitation |
| 03:34.11 | Epyon | brlcad, meshes are the only object that allows any semiserious modification. |
| 03:34.28 | Epyon | Other objects don't allow even proper texture coording. |
| 03:34.40 | JeffM2501 | and supports all options |
| 03:35.54 | jude- | Epyon, if you can store your meshes as BZW 2.0 formatted meshes, my editor will definitely be able to parse them |
| 03:36.02 | brlcad | a technical detail that could be easily fixed |
| 03:36.20 | Epyon | Well I guess a few simple algo's for lower end machines that use pyramids and the like could be implemened easily, but the major aim is to provide playable, interesting and good-looking maps right? Then I work basicaly as a automated Q3 map modeler. And Q3 maps are pure meshes. |
| 03:36.21 | brlcad | but regardless of textures really was what I was wondering |
| 03:36.32 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, if you allow UV mods on a box, it's basicly a mesh |
| 03:36.42 | brlcad | i suppose there's still some questions on what the approach for the types of worlds will be |
| 03:37.03 | jude- | Epyon, I'll probably add 3DS and OBJ support to the editor as well, possibly others |
| 03:37.03 | Epyon | jude-, the point is to tweak the parameters, press "generate" and have an immidate result. Hand-editing the resulting mesh could be a bonus :) |
| 03:37.21 | jude- | which parameters are you interested in? |
| 03:37.37 | Epyon | jude-, I wrote a 3ds max mesh to BZW exporter recently :P |
| 03:37.49 | jude- | that's convenient |
| 03:37.58 | Epyon | jude-, parameters of the generation. Depending on the type of the generator |
| 03:38.32 | brlcad | JeffM2501: i know, it's just a distinction between what goes into a map format itself versus what it does in memory for rendering purposes |
| 03:38.43 | jude- | specifically, which parameters are you interested in? |
| 03:39.36 | jude- | the editor in my proposal is designed to be 100% BZW 2.0 compliant. It will support all features and parameters in that format, if that's what you mean |
| 03:40.30 | Epyon | Nah, my idea was that it could communicate with the random generation module and provide a simple UI for tweaking the generation parameters. |
| 03:40.37 | jude- | ahh |
| 03:40.54 | jude- | that's an interesting idea |
| 03:40.59 | Epyon | The generation parameters would be algo specific, like branching factor, density, random seed etc. |
| 03:41.05 | jude- | I see |
| 03:41.26 | jude- | one of the features of the editor that will be implemented toward the end will be a plugin feature |
| 03:41.33 | JeffM2501 | we will need to fix striping and LOD for him tho |
| 03:41.42 | jude- | if you can provide the algorithms, I can make the plugin |
| 03:41.49 | Epyon | For jude-, or for myself? :P |
| 03:42.07 | jude- | ...or I can give you the technical details of the plugin format, and you can do it |
| 03:42.12 | JeffM2501 | you |
| 03:42.41 | jude- | whichever is more convenient |
| 03:42.50 | jude- | I'm not sure what the format will be yet, however |
| 03:42.50 | Epyon | jude-, we'd need to decide on a common format or API for the plugins, or force someone to do a generation API for level generation and stick to that (or force myself to do it...) |
| 03:43.06 | brlcad | minor detail guys -- working together is great especially if it's going to help you both get farther along, but worth pointing out that you (absolutely) cannot make any plans that will make either of you reliant upon something the other does |
| 03:43.06 | brlcad | gsoc rules and what not |
| 03:43.20 | jude- | right then |
| 03:43.23 | Epyon | yep. |
| 03:44.00 | Epyon | brlcad, the idea is that the generator would work as a part of the server, but the editor would allow to " |
| 03:44.08 | Epyon | preview" the generation results. |
| 03:44.20 | Epyon | Or else I'll need to write my own previewer. |
| 03:44.20 | brlcad | yeah, I got that :) |
| 03:44.36 | Epyon | So by no means it's dependant on the editor :P |
| 03:45.48 | brlcad | just a gentle reminder/notice in case neither knew that detail, hence the preface |
| 03:46.01 | Epyon | The idea is to visualise the results of the random generation, and save the "generation variables" to a file (which normaly would be hand made) that will be then fed to the server. |
| 03:46.17 | jude- | which would you prefer, a binary plug-in system or a scripting plugin system? |
| 03:46.58 | Epyon | No idea. I still don't know wether the crew wants me to write a plugin or implement the generator as a part of the server soft :P |
| 03:47.40 | jude- | binary would probably be easier... |
| 03:47.41 | Epyon | Scripting might be slow though. Many of the generation algos are numericaly heavy. |
| 03:47.48 | jude- | that too |
| 03:48.19 | brlcad | depends on how either is done -- if the scripting system uses a heavy language interface, that could be tricky to work out build-wise; if binary was too limited, it's useless |
| 03:48.31 | DTRemenak | scripting will not work out for bzfs itself most likely |
| 03:48.43 | brlcad | I think he means to the editor, no? |
| 03:48.56 | DTRemenak | yeah, but if he's gonna be hooking the same routines in both places... |
| 03:48.58 | Epyon | DTRemenak, so the generator would be a part of FS? |
| 03:49.04 | Epyon | BZFS* |
| 03:49.13 | DTRemenak | Epyon: a plugin most likely |
| 03:49.17 | DTRemenak | but that's up to you |
| 03:49.20 | brlcad | Epyon: personal preference is that the world generator be a part of bzfs proper |
| 03:49.25 | brlcad | heh |
| 03:49.35 | DTRemenak | see? entirely up to you, we have no consensus :) |
| 03:49.52 | Epyon | The current plugin api as described in the wiki is waaaaay to weak for that :/ |
| 03:50.02 | DTRemenak | I have no particular opposition to integration into bzfs |
| 03:50.02 | jude- | Epyon, what I'll probably do is export a rich API set for a binary plugin to use and link to |
| 03:50.08 | DTRemenak | hm, is it? |
| 03:50.14 | brlcad | plugin would be optional functionality, I see this as something that makes a great default capability |
| 03:50.22 | DTRemenak | iirc we have full map generation capabilities |
| 03:50.40 | Epyon | jude-, the idea is you could use the same files that are used for generating maps in bzfs... |
| 03:50.45 | brlcad | yep, there's two generator paths already that make a perfect example code-path |
| 03:50.56 | DTRemenak | brlcad: I mean, in the API |
| 03:51.19 | DTRemenak | but yeah, there are examples of the integrated variety in bzfs proper too |
| 03:51.26 | Epyon | brlcad, the integrated version could be a lot more interesting, because you could tweak some params directly from running bzflag. |
| 03:51.40 | DTRemenak | can't change the world during the game |
| 03:51.49 | jude- | Epyon, what is the format? |
| 03:51.50 | brlcad | you could do the same with a plugin (perhaps with api tweaks) |
| 03:51.51 | DTRemenak | unless you're prepared for some MAJOR rearchitecting :) |
| 03:52.16 | Epyon | jude-, then the format would be the same as BZFS's format. |
| 03:52.18 | brlcad | the biggest difference is whether it's default available or based on compilation/installation |
| 03:52.26 | DTRemenak | (which would not be opposed, but might inhibit your ability to complete your actual project ;) ) |
| 03:52.48 | brlcad | DTRemenak: major rearchitecting for swapping worlds? |
| 03:52.57 | DTRemenak | for changing a running world |
| 03:53.09 | jude- | Epyon, when I write the editor, I hope to have all the major functions of the editor implemented as plugins, to ensure that any additional plugins would have the same capabilities as the internal modules |
| 03:53.11 | brlcad | should be a cleanup of existing world, and send out a new world update -- maybe add a rejoin message or somesuch |
| 03:53.12 | DTRemenak | for swapping we can almost do it |
| 03:53.32 | DTRemenak | still requires a superkill though |
| 03:53.38 | JeffM2501 | we have 1/2 of it now |
| 03:53.42 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 03:53.46 | brlcad | yeah, but that shouldn't be too bad |
| 03:53.47 | JeffM2501 | it' just be anotehr message |
| 03:53.50 | JeffM2501 | not at all |
| 03:53.56 | JeffM2501 | anyone can do that |
| 03:54.29 | jude- | Epyon, this way I can guarantee that the plugin API will be very feature-rich |
| 03:54.48 | Epyon | Hmm, this needs further discussion... |
| 03:55.08 | Epyon | Anyway, it's 6.00 in the morning here... time to get some sleep ^_^. |
| 03:55.19 | jude- | heh good night |
| 03:55.23 | DTRemenak | well, either discussion, or just someone to do it and tell everyone else to stfu :) |
| 03:55.26 | Epyon | And the beer's gone too. o.O |
| 03:55.32 | DTRemenak | power plant ftw! |
| 03:55.37 | brlcad | why bother, it's morning now.. might as well stay up ;) |
| 03:55.55 | Epyon | brlcad, morning for me is 14.00 :P |
| 03:56.04 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 03:56.16 | jude- | that's pretty early...mine's more like 16:00 |
| 03:56.21 | jude- | during the summer |
| 03:56.34 | Epyon | It helps a European in interoceanic relations :P |
| 03:56.46 | DTRemenak | yeah, silly timezones |
| 03:56.55 | DTRemenak | I got up at 03:00 all one summer |
| 03:57.06 | jude- | nice |
| 03:57.09 | DTRemenak | actually for SoC :) |
| 03:57.14 | DTRemenak | mentor was in france |
| 03:57.30 | Epyon | DTRemenak, what did you do? :D |
| 03:58.36 | DTRemenak | http://wiki.winehq.org/ForceFeedbackSummerOfCode2005Summary |
| 04:00.24 | Epyon | LOL, does BZF have FF support? xP |
| 04:00.28 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 04:01.34 | Epyon | Actually I need a joystick for FreeSpace and Frontier but that's another story ^^ |
| 04:01.47 | jude- | Epyon, what can be done is that a plugin can be written that interprets BZFS format into BZW format and back...shouldn't be too difficult |
| 04:01.58 | DTRemenak | after all, brlcad DID add it to todo :) |
| 04:02.27 | brlcad | :) |
| 04:02.56 | DTRemenak | jude-: the client already parses the binary format back out to bzw :) |
| 04:03.03 | brlcad | the controller i had didn't have FF, just tilt |
| 04:03.08 | DTRemenak | ahh |
| 04:03.17 | DTRemenak | is it true FF, or rumble? |
| 04:03.17 | jude- | DTRemenak, then it's that much easier :) |
| 04:03.27 | DTRemenak | jude-: exactly :) |
| 04:03.40 | DTRemenak | though then we're REALLY calling for libworld |
| 04:03.49 | brlcad | well, rumble I suppose |
| 04:03.57 | brlcad | there weren't many options at the time |
| 04:04.01 | DTRemenak | hehe :) |
| 04:04.10 | DTRemenak | true FF is much more entertaining |
| 04:04.18 | Epyon | Anyway, I'm off to sleep. If I talk anymore, that means I decided to call it a night -_- |
| 04:04.21 | brlcad | logitech rumblepad 2 |
| 04:04.24 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 04:04.29 | jude- | good night Epyon |
| 04:04.34 | DTRemenak | g'night Epyon |
| 04:04.42 | Epyon | g'night! |
| 04:04.53 | brlcad | http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=2225,CONTENTID=8674 |
| 04:04.57 | biggeruniverse | giving information out online is dangerous |
| 04:05.17 | DTRemenak | giving information out is dangerous |
| 04:05.23 | brlcad | er.. http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=11,CONTENTID=9069 |
| 04:05.27 | Epyon | giving is dangerous |
| 04:05.27 | biggeruniverse | online it spreads |
| 04:05.34 | DTRemenak | it spreads |
| 04:05.40 | brlcad | dangerous is dangerous |
| 04:05.43 | DTRemenak | ahh, cordless, cool |
| 04:05.46 | biggeruniverse | online is spreads |
| 04:06.01 | DTRemenak | it spreads |
| 04:06.08 | biggeruniverse | is dangerous |
| 04:06.14 | DTRemenak | indeed |
| 04:08.01 | biggeruniverse | so. |
| 04:08.06 | biggeruniverse | philosophy |
| 04:08.10 | brlcad | the best part is batteries were included |
| 04:08.21 | biggeruniverse | in philosophy? |
| 04:08.24 | biggeruniverse | :P |
| 04:08.36 | brlcad | in life |
| 04:11.23 | biggeruniverse | ah, forget it |
| 04:13.52 | biggeruniverse | I wonder if there's anything on the forums I can be a curmudgeon about |
| 04:14.27 | DTRemenak | like to take the garbage out |
| 04:14.48 | brlcad | i just consciously ignore it |
| 04:15.29 | jude- | I just invoke the garbage collecctor |
| 04:15.53 | biggeruniverse | System.gc(); |
| 04:16.02 | biggeruniverse | it's not working |
| 04:16.07 | biggeruniverse | CBG is still here :P |
| 04:16.15 | biggeruniverse | no offense CBG |
| 04:16.49 | DTRemenak | biggeruniverse: you need to pay better attention to javadoc |
| 04:16.51 | biggeruniverse | I had to pick a "volunteer", or it wouldn't be funny... |
| 04:17.06 | jude- | indeed--System.gc() doesn't ALWAYS work |
| 04:17.16 | DTRemenak | Calling the gc method *suggests* that the Java Virtual Machine expend effort toward recycling unused objects in order to make the memory they currently occupy available for quick reuse. When control returns fom the method call, the Java Virtual Machine has made a best effort to reclaim space from all discarded objects. |
| 04:17.33 | DTRemenak | 'tis a suggestion, not a command :) |
| 04:19.59 | DTRemenak | same goes for .NET's GC.Collect() too |
| 04:20.55 | biggeruniverse | It should have worked anyway. |
| 04:21.03 | biggeruniverse | CBG, are you in eden? |
| 04:21.08 | jude- | I've wondered for a while now whether .NET has Sun Microsystems's IP in it... |
| 04:21.56 | biggeruniverse | It doesn't matter |
| 04:22.05 | DTRemenak | jude-: considering there are several implementations of .NET, several of which are open source, and that Java is also, it should be pretty easy to establish copyright-cleanliness |
| 04:22.10 | DTRemenak | and software patents are just bull |
| 04:22.17 | jude- | indeed |
| 04:22.36 | jude- | it's like patenting mathematical formulae, or patenting academic research |
| 04:22.55 | brlcad | patents suck! (tm) |
| 04:22.58 | DTRemenak | it is literally both of those at various times |
| 04:22.58 | brlcad | (and patent pending) |
| 04:23.00 | biggeruniverse | I patented patenting academic research |
| 04:23.16 | jude- | ...and it's already impossible to patent mathematical formulae |
| 04:23.18 | DTRemenak | I patented patenting patenting academic research, so there |
| 04:23.24 | biggeruniverse | no! |
| 04:23.35 | biggeruniverse | commie! |
| 04:23.41 | DTRemenak | fascist! |
| 04:23.50 | jude- | green! |
| 04:23.57 | biggeruniverse | whoa thhere |
| 04:24.05 | jude- | just playing along |
| 04:24.10 | biggeruniverse | no need to get hostile ;) |
| 04:24.31 | biggeruniverse | :) |
| 04:24.52 | biggeruniverse | It's all the same animal farm anyway, man. |
| 04:25.10 | jude- | is that an allusion to George Orwell's Animal Farm? |
| 04:25.16 | DTRemenak | jude-: so who did you mean to offend... the European Green Party? :) |
| 04:25.20 | biggeruniverse | I may be |
| 04:25.23 | biggeruniverse | *It |
| 04:25.25 | jude- | DTRemenak, no |
| 04:26.04 | DTRemenak | the Comhaontas Glas? |
| 04:26.11 | jude- | I meant to offend the Green Party of the Republic of North Korea |
| 04:26.21 | biggeruniverse | Good, because I patented offending the European Green party |
| 04:26.47 | jude- | well, I'm applying for the patent to offend North Korea |
| 04:27.06 | DTRemenak | the DPRK is a single-party state, sadly |
| 04:27.41 | DTRemenak | if you don't belong to the "Democratic Front for the Reunification of the Fatherland" you'd better not belong to any political party at all :) |
| 04:27.53 | jude- | heh--article 67 of their constitution says that all citizens have the freedom of speech and press :P |
| 04:28.05 | biggeruniverse | I think that falls under offending the world with bad foreign policy, for which there is prior art. |
| 04:28.13 | DTRemenak | hmm...and article 68 says "just kidding guys"? :) |
| 04:28.22 | jude- | nah--that's the right to vote |
| 04:28.49 | jude- | 69 says 67 and 68 are null and void |
| 04:28.56 | jude- | :P |
| 04:29.00 | biggeruniverse | ha! Barbarians! We civilized peoples have a *2* party system! |
| 04:29.11 | DTRemenak | *sigh* |
| 04:29.21 | jude- | well, it's better than a coalition government |
| 04:30.25 | biggeruniverse | It's really one party with two heads. |
| 04:30.40 | jude- | right--they get funding from the same people |
| 04:30.51 | biggeruniverse | That would be us. |
| 04:31.20 | jude- | indeed |
| 04:31.32 | jude- | and big business |
| 04:31.38 | jude- | which takes our money and gives it to them |
| 04:31.55 | biggeruniverse | It's actually weirder than that. |
| 04:33.33 | DTRemenak | heh, to where? :) |
| 04:33.33 | biggeruniverse | NZ |
| 04:33.33 | jude- | Switzerland!!! |
| 04:33.34 | jude- | nah |
| 04:33.53 | jude- | to orbit |
| 04:33.56 | jude- | there we go |
| 04:34.02 | jude- | no political affiliation |
| 04:34.09 | biggeruniverse | If you really want to expatriate, go first, then say you aren't coming back. If you declare you are expatriating, you have to pay several years of taxes in advance before they will let you leave the country. |
| 04:34.33 | jude- | I was kidding |
| 04:34.44 | biggeruniverse | Right. So was I... |
| 04:34.55 | biggeruniverse | <.< |
| 04:35.11 | TheRedBaron | actually |
| 04:35.24 | SportChick | ~lart TheRedBaron |
| 04:35.24 | ibot | hooks into a hydrant and hoses TheRedBaron down |
| 04:35.28 | TheRedBaron | that should temporarily solve the problem |
| 04:35.32 | TheRedBaron | until I wake up again |
| 04:35.42 | DTRemenak | it solves nothing |
| 04:35.51 | DTRemenak | it just makes you oblivious to the problem |
| 04:35.51 | TheRedBaron | ~envy Rip Van Winkle |
| 04:36.05 | biggeruniverse | When you wake up, you'll be a good little consumer again! |
| 04:36.05 | DTRemenak | or not, if you have bad dreams :) |
| 04:36.27 | jude- | then you'll wake up as a monsterous vermin, as Franz Kafka predicted |
| 04:36.30 | TheRedBaron | DTRemenak: we live in a relatevistic world - oblivion, ignorance |
| 04:36.35 | TheRedBaron | its all bliss :) |
| 04:36.46 | TheRedBaron | biggeruniverse: I wish :( |
| 04:36.52 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 04:37.01 | TheRedBaron | apparently, they want something from me, in order for me to consume |
| 04:37.33 | biggeruniverse | Money? They can print all you need. |
| 04:37.56 | jude- | or take it from someone else |
| 04:38.10 | TheRedBaron | right... |
| 04:38.18 | biggeruniverse | Money is a commodity like any other. Standard supply and demand. Just like a MMOG. |
| 04:38.24 | TheRedBaron | i'd prefer not to be a consumer in jail. |
| 04:38.35 | biggeruniverse | Money is a commodity like any other. Standard supply and demand. Just like a MMOG. |
| 04:38.42 | DTRemenak | they don't want anything from you if you consume in jail :) |
| 04:38.44 | biggeruniverse | gah! |
| 04:38.50 | DTRemenak | I hear an echo |
| 04:38.53 | TheRedBaron | DTRemenak: dunno about the inmates though :) |
| 04:38.56 | DTRemenak | I hear an echo |
| 04:38.56 | biggeruniverse | What's the money sink you ask? Taxes! |
| 04:39.16 | DTRemenak | TheRedBaron: they may want to, uh, consume you :) |
| 04:39.23 | jude- | become a politician. then you'll have all the money you'll need. you just have to ask for it :) |
| 04:39.29 | biggeruniverse | Well, the longer this box is on, the worse the skew, and I start repeating keys... |
| 04:39.58 | TheRedBaron | DTRemenak: exactly my fear :) |
| 04:40.11 | biggeruniverse | 23:39:40 up 25 days, 13:17, 18 users, load average: 1.14, 1.20, 1.18 |
| 04:40.41 | jude- | biggeruniverse, which distro? |
| 04:41.06 | biggeruniverse | my custom-built slackware for 64-bit |
| 04:41.10 | jude- | cool |
| 04:41.17 | DTRemenak | woot! |
| 04:41.22 | biggeruniverse | with peices of slamd64 too |
| 04:41.40 | jude- | so, the keys begin to send repeat signals after a while? |
| 04:41.50 | jude- | as in, you press one key, and it just keeps repeating? |
| 04:41.54 | jude- | on occasion |
| 04:41.55 | jude- | ? |
| 04:42.01 | biggeruniverse | No, I have dual procies, they get time skew. |
| 04:42.10 | jude- | ah |
| 04:42.20 | jude- | 'cause I have that problem with my laptop running Debian |
| 04:42.28 | jude- | I think its the hardware, though |
| 04:42.34 | jude- | it can happen in the console |
| 04:42.36 | biggeruniverse | I compiled the kernel that was supposed to fix that, but it only delays it. |
| 04:42.48 | jude- | hmmm...which version? |
| 04:43.01 | biggeruniverse | 2.6.19.2 |
| 04:43.13 | jude- | ah. I have 2.6.18-4 (customized) |
| 04:43.27 | biggeruniverse | x86_64! |
| 04:43.36 | jude- | I meant the kernel :) |
| 04:45.28 | biggeruniverse | dude, I work with the big SPARC frames all day. My workstation is an Ultra20. |
| 04:45.39 | DTRemenak | I suppose it depends what ultrasparc you have...any x86_64 machine would be a significant upgrade from, say, a Spitfire :) |
| 04:46.04 | biggeruniverse | (even tho the 20 has an AMD ;) ) |
| 04:46.07 | jude- | heh--its an Ultra Enterprise 1 |
| 04:46.11 | jude- | (spitfire) |
| 04:46.18 | jude- | although my Ultra 5 arrives Friday |
| 04:46.20 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 04:46.30 | biggeruniverse | I have a 5 in my basement |
| 04:46.44 | jude- | biggeruniverse, the ultra 20 is the kind of workstation I'm saving for :) |
| 04:47.06 | jude- | nice |
| 04:47.07 | biggeruniverse | jude- it's got neat features, but it's just a beige box |
| 04:47.14 | jude- | I've seen the pics |
| 04:47.21 | jude- | it's what's inside that counts :) |
| 04:47.38 | brlcad | s/notebook/space heater/ |
| 04:47.44 | jude- | lol |
| 04:47.46 | biggeruniverse | heh |
| 04:47.52 | SportChick | n 7 |
| 04:48.42 | biggeruniverse | Luckily, I have two workstations with synergy. I never liked the idea of dual screens connected to one machine. I have dual screens connected to different boxes, and stitched together with synergy. Same experience, but with more power. ;) |
| 04:49.03 | biggeruniverse | n 8? |
| 04:49.10 | jude- | cool |
| 04:49.42 | jude- | connected over a high-speed LAN or a cross-over cable? |
| 04:49.49 | jude- | (i.e. to do parallel processing?) |
| 04:50.04 | biggeruniverse | no, just to do keyboard/mouse |
| 04:50.07 | jude- | ah |
| 04:50.18 | jude- | that works too :) |
| 04:57.10 | biggeruniverse | sexy |
| 04:57.32 | biggeruniverse | reminds me of an IBM 380 |
| 04:58.15 | jude- | reminds me of the old Mac laptops |
| 04:58.36 | brlcad | little bit..display is much smaller |
| 05:30.51 | biggeruniverse | sleep tttime |
| 05:30.51 | biggeruniverse | grr |
| 05:30.54 | biggeruniverse | I should reboot it... |
| 05:31.30 | biggeruniverse | I just hate losing all my state! |
| 05:31.45 | jude- | can't you save your session? |
| 05:31.53 | biggeruniverse | Thank GOD for firefox sessions |
| 05:32.09 | biggeruniverse | naw, it doesn't work |
| 05:32.22 | jude- | that's too bad |
| 05:32.33 | biggeruniverse | c'est la vie |
| 05:32.47 | jude- | yup |
| 05:33.28 | biggeruniverse | what a world, what a world! |
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| 05:52.55 | biggeruniverse | glad that's over |
| 05:57.59 | jude- | heh |
| 05:58.15 | jude- | you might want to report that sync problem to the devs |
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| 16:26.40 | Erroneous | Hi |
| 16:26.51 | the | I'm just wondering if you could help me |
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| 20:20.01 | ts | ~ToughShooter-- |
| 20:20.31 | tupone | ~ToughShooter-- |
| 20:20.38 | tupone | ~ts++ |
| 20:21.48 | Winny | ~tupone++ |
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| 20:53.55 | CBG | ts ^ - you can stop now :P |
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| 21:10.52 | biggeruniverse | ~CBG++ |
| 21:11.19 | Winny | is the group for "everyone" LOCAL.GLOBAL ? |
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| 21:17.45 | JeffM2501 | you want everyone everone? or just registered users? |
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| 21:18.43 | Winny | everyone who is not in 3 other groups |
| 21:18.53 | JeffM2501 | what 3 other? |
| 21:19.20 | Winny | gu.league, gu-league.admin, and one that is waiting to be made |
| 21:19.25 | TheRedBaron | there are 3 default groups right? |
| 21:19.39 | Erroneous | locally registered users are not members of LOCAL.GLOBAL. globally registered users are. |
| 21:19.49 | TheRedBaron | all, verified, and mystery-group-i-can't-recall |
| 21:19.54 | JeffM2501 | EVERYONE gets all users that join |
| 21:20.03 | JeffM2501 | VERIFIED gets all users that global auth |
| 21:20.14 | JeffM2501 | LOCAL.ADMIN gets all users that /password |
| 21:20.15 | Erroneous | TheRedBaron: EVERYONE, VERIFIED, LOCAL.ADMIN, LOCAL.GLOBAL |
| 21:20.15 | JeffM2501 | that's it |
| 21:20.21 | Winny | ah, thanks jeff, everyone is what I needed |
| 21:20.33 | JeffM2501 | Winny, that will include users in other groups |
| 21:20.41 | Winny | hmm |
| 21:20.52 | TheRedBaron | Erroneous: well, that explains the 'myster-group-I-can't-recall |
| 21:20.53 | Erroneous | EVERYONE is...everyone |
| 21:20.54 | JeffM2501 | users are in more then one group |
| 21:20.57 | Winny | doesn't it override the EVERYONE? |
| 21:20.57 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 21:21.05 | JeffM2501 | it can, depending on how your perms are setup |
| 21:21.18 | Winny | I assume EVERYONE would need to go first |
| 21:21.31 | CBG | You can do "-PERM" too. |
| 21:21.36 | TheRedBaron | winny: for match servers, the created groups are whitelisted |
| 21:21.36 | JeffM2501 | depends if oyu do explicit allow or deny |
| 21:21.45 | TheRedBaron | EVERYONE: -all |
| 21:21.46 | CBG | It makes no difference what order you put them in, afaik. |
| 21:21.53 | Erroneous | explicit denys always override explicit allows |
| 21:21.57 | Erroneous | order does not matter |
| 21:21.59 | TheRedBaron | and then give the perms to the created groups |
| 21:22.21 | JeffM2501 | if you just remove the permision from everyone, but have it in another group, then that other group will "overide" |
| 21:22.35 | JeffM2501 | but if your everyone has it as a deny, then that will take effect before the other group |
| 21:22.38 | Erroneous | a player gets all perms allowed by any group they are in, unless it is denied by any group he is in |
| 21:23.17 | JeffM2501 | Winny, what are you trying to do? |
| 21:23.34 | Winny | Set up a match server, havent played with groups in about a year :E |
| 21:23.42 | CBG | so: give EVERYONE SPAWN perms, but then take the SPAWN perms away from MY.MUNCHKIN group with -SPAWN if, for example, you want EVERYONE but the users in the munchkin group to spawn. |
| 21:23.45 | CBG | for, GU, Winny ? |
| 21:24.20 | TheRedBaron | no no |
| 21:24.24 | CBG | I'd say, EVERYONE gets nothing. GU.Whatever gets SPAWN, TALK, etc |
| 21:24.25 | TheRedBaron | CBG: opposite |
| 21:24.29 | TheRedBaron | take away spawn from everyone |
| 21:24.37 | TheRedBaron | take away everything from everyone |
| 21:24.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah make everyone have nothing |
| 21:24.46 | TheRedBaron | and then whitelist the GU.whatever permissions |
| 21:24.51 | CBG | TheRedBaron: mine was a general example to demonstrate denying perms. |
| 21:24.58 | Winny | thats what I have, just making sure |
| 21:25.04 | JeffM2501 | then add the perms to verified, or the gourp you want. |
| 21:25.11 | CBG | "whitelist perms" = "give perms to that group" ? |
| 21:25.17 | JeffM2501 | Winny, the defualt perms are in the manpage |
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| 21:25.23 | TheRedBaron | CBG: correct |
| 21:26.22 | TheRedBaron | CBG: the only problem with your example, is the munchkin easily leaves your MY.MUNCHKIN group |
| 21:26.54 | CBG | Yes, but that's irrelevant. I was just making an example. |
| 21:27.49 | TheRedBaron | bad example for gu match server though. |
| 21:28.42 | CBG | We hadn't established exactly what Winny was trying to accomplish at that point. |
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| 21:30.00 | TheRedBaron | au contraire - scroll up |
| 21:30.16 | CBG | *I hadn't established exactly what Winny was trying to accomplish at that point. |
| 21:30.32 | CBG | Wait... |
| 21:30.37 | CBG | I was right first time. |
| 21:30.58 | CBG | Not until after my example did Jeff ask what he was trying to do. He said: Match Server. |
| 21:31.05 | TheRedBaron | br>(17:23:07) JeffM2501: Winny, what are you trying to do? |
| 21:31.06 | TheRedBaron | (17:23:24) Winny: Set up a match server, havent played with groups in about a year :E |
| 21:31.06 | TheRedBaron | (17:23:32) CBG: so: give EVERYONE SPAWN perms, but then take the SPAWN perms away from MY.MUNCHKIN group with -SPAWN if, for example, you want EVERYONE but the users in the munchkin group to spawn. |
| 21:31.08 | Winny | well, thanks for your help |
| 21:31.08 | CBG | He still hasn't confirmed it to be a GU server. |
| 21:31.19 | CBG | Pff, lag, then. |
| 21:31.19 | TheRedBaron | you have interesting time stamps then cbg :) |
| 21:32.13 | CBG | http://cbg.sh.nu:10000/blarg.png TheRedBaron. Lag I guess. |
| 21:33.31 | TheRedBaron | yup |
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| 21:47.07 | brlcad | Epyon: interesting, albeit mildly irrelevant http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=163472&site=pcg |
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