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| 00:27.12 | a_meteorite | ~bz20svn |
| 00:27.14 | ibot | bz20svn is probably http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/ bzflag |
| 00:27.20 | a_meteorite | ooh, ibot is all fast today :) |
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| 02:19.22 | rob1n | anybody in here an apache guru (namely virtualhosts) and wouldn't mind answering a quick noobish question for me? :) |
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| 03:00.41 | menotume | Rawk, my secret is out :P |
| 03:00.55 | menotume | oopa |
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| 03:25.12 | Daveman | :P |
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| 03:49.02 | tadd | #457 i:GM p:-1 r:1 g:1 s:1 p:{277.6, -302.2, 0.0} |
| 03:49.12 | tadd | what do the p, r, g and s figures mean? |
| 03:50.33 | tadd | that was from a /flag show command |
| 03:52.16 | tadd | gotta run. thanks for any info -- i'll read when I get up in the morning |
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| 04:22.09 | jude- | hello all |
| 04:22.19 | blast007 | hi jude- |
| 04:22.28 | jude- | hello blast007 |
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| 05:06.22 | biggeruniverse | Wow. If rob1n were on, it would mean something... |
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| 18:20.18 | L4m3r | is there a documentation page for m.b.o's weblogin thingy? |
| 18:21.22 | JeffM2502 | there are comments in the source for it |
| 18:21.24 | JeffM2502 | that's about it |
| 18:21.43 | L4m3r | is the source in SVN? |
| 18:21.54 | JeffM2502 | should be |
| 18:22.03 | JeffM2502 | what did you kneed to know about it? |
| 18:22.14 | L4m3r | just how to use it in general |
| 18:22.22 | JeffM2502 | there is a file in misc |
| 18:22.28 | JeffM2502 | that shows how to use it |
| 18:22.39 | L4m3r | ok, I'll look into it, thanks |
| 18:22.39 | JeffM2502 | and has a token verification function |
| 18:22.49 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 18:23.17 | L4m3r | tokens include group info, right? |
| 18:23.17 | JeffM2502 | not exactly |
| 18:23.21 | JeffM2502 | when you verify the token |
| 18:23.30 | JeffM2502 | you can ask "are they in this group" |
| 18:23.39 | JeffM2502 | blast007 has a beter verison, dunno if he commited it |
| 18:24.53 | L4m3r | ok. group functionality isn't a huge issue, more important to make sure someone is at least who they claim to be :P |
| 18:25.08 | JeffM2502 | it's not too hard to use |
| 18:25.27 | JeffM2502 | you just send them to the weblogin URL, with the callback URL as a paramter |
| 18:25.38 | JeffM2502 | then when they verify it'll call your callbackULR |
| 18:25.50 | JeffM2502 | and you can get the token, username, bzID, etc.. |
| 18:27.09 | JeffM2502 | yeah blast007 did update it |
| 18:27.19 | JeffM2502 | look at checktoken.php in the misc dir |
| 18:28.36 | L4m3r | weblogin.php is in trunk/db, btw |
| 18:28.41 | JeffM2502 | yeah |
| 18:28.52 | JeffM2502 | you don't need to use that file |
| 18:28.55 | JeffM2502 | that's what we run |
| 18:29.04 | JeffM2502 | you'd use that if you ran your own list server |
| 18:29.06 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 18:29.23 | L4m3r | I can't find the howto file though :\ |
| 18:29.37 | JeffM2502 | there is no howto file |
| 18:29.43 | JeffM2502 | it's a comment in checktoken |
| 18:29.50 | L4m3r | oh |
| 18:30.30 | L4m3r | bah CGI:IRC sucks. My home server crapped out so I have no SSH tunnel :( |
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| 18:50.18 | blast007 | I think sending the BZID back via the callback URL isn't a good idea |
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| 18:50.26 | blast007 | since it can't be trusted |
| 18:50.57 | blast007 | when you verify the token, it gives the ID at that point |
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| 19:33.24 | brlcad | blast007: seems like a sane thing to do |
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| 19:36.38 | blast007 | which way? :) |
| 19:37.22 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:37.24 | brlcad | the good way |
| 19:37.38 | blast007 | hehe |
| 19:47.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah go ahead and mod that if if you want to, make it passback the id from the verification |
| 19:47.08 | gsnedders | not a good idea as with a proxy it could be changed? |
| 19:48.35 | blast007 | JeffM2501: it already passes back the ID through token verification, and the updated checktoken script parses that |
| 19:48.40 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 19:48.49 | JeffM2501 | so just pull it out of the live code then |
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| 20:18.02 | tupone | hola brlcad |
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| 20:40.41 | brlcad | ciao tupone |
| 20:40.56 | tupone | :) |
| 20:41.19 | tupone | started to race ? |
| 20:41.31 | brlcad | e como stai oggi? |
| 20:41.36 | brlcad | not yet |
| 20:41.50 | brlcad | *come |
| 20:41.54 | tupone | Sto bene |
| 20:42.17 | tupone | Doing the bad teacher. Fixing student's work :) |
| 20:42.32 | brlcad | :) |
| 20:42.34 | tupone | s/Fixing/Evaluating/ |
| 20:42.35 | brlcad | fun fun |
| 20:43.04 | brlcad | oh hey.. bz question |
| 20:43.20 | tupone | why I don't like static? |
| 20:43.27 | brlcad | would you be against having -static on the binaries if they link their external stuff shared |
| 20:43.41 | brlcad | heh, goodguess |
| 20:43.53 | tupone | :) |
| 20:44.31 | tupone | However I don't understand really the question |
| 20:44.38 | tupone | o, in another way : |
| 20:44.41 | brlcad | i can work around it if you don't like it, but ifyou don't care it'd be an easier change |
| 20:44.50 | tupone | The answer is inside you, but is wrong :) |
| 20:45.22 | tupone | can you rephrase? |
| 20:45.39 | brlcad | yeah, sure |
| 20:46.10 | tupone | what are you going to achieve? |
| 20:46.25 | brlcad | well, before that even.. there's a portability question on linux first on what libtool does with -static on binaries |
| 20:46.53 | brlcad | for external dependencies that we do not compile |
| 20:47.19 | tupone | actually I don't know what happens if you have a dependant library only on a shared format |
| 20:47.22 | brlcad | it should use shared, if I'm not mistake regardless if you provide the usual -L -l syntax |
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| 20:47.44 | tupone | I think you only get static |
| 20:48.23 | brlcad | hm, it certainly doesn't give you static on os x binaries |
| 20:48.32 | brlcad | can you test and pull an ldd on the binary? |
| 20:49.02 | tupone | well, I try, just with link, not with all libtool fun |
| 20:53.15 | brlcad | ah, well that's a big difference :) |
| 20:53.28 | brlcad | ld/gcc will do whatever you tell them :) |
| 20:53.44 | brlcad | libtool does what it thinks you want |
| 20:53.51 | tupone | I'm trying to tell them to link static |
| 20:54.14 | daxxar | In ~11 days my horrible exams are done, and only my cozy ones are left. |
| 20:54.17 | daxxar | \o/ |
| 20:54.21 | brlcad | should just be a matter of adding -static to src/bzflag/Makefile.am and then ldd that binary |
| 20:54.36 | brlcad | daxxar: just in time for gsoc to start! :) |
| 20:54.39 | CBG | pff, mine start in 20 days or so and last 20 or so... |
| 20:54.43 | daxxar | Yes ;-) |
| 20:55.10 | brlcad | daxxar: and good to see you around, was almost starting to worry (almost, not quite) |
| 20:55.11 | tupone | brlcad, you have to wait, as my tree is recompiling all :/ |
| 20:55.16 | brlcad | ah |
| 20:55.20 | KTL | first the horrible project work about designing architectures :( |
| 20:55.30 | daxxar | brlcad: You'll have to excuse me, there has been a few .. uh, ground-shaking events taking place. |
| 20:55.40 | brlcad | tupone: not using --disable-shared as the approach -- that's a bit different in itself |
| 20:55.41 | KTL | earthquake? |
| 20:55.42 | tupone | but why you need static on MacOSX. I think is enough to install in a local prefix and use that |
| 20:55.46 | daxxar | Regarding future employers, exams and the appearance of something known as a girlfriend. |
| 20:56.04 | brlcad | ground-shaking or .. hm. never mind :) |
| 20:56.23 | daxxar | All three of them gave me an utter shock :-P |
| 20:57.02 | JeffM2501 | if the third one gives you shocks to your utters, then your doing it wrong |
| 20:57.13 | KTL | argh girlfriends, they are incompatible with playing bzflag 10 hours in a row |
| 20:57.14 | brlcad | hehe |
| 20:57.30 | daxxar | Haha |
| 20:57.49 | daxxar | Anyways, after the exams are over things should be a bit calmer. |
| 21:01.35 | tupone | Anyone here knows what an sdm integrators is, like in a laptop? |
| 21:02.41 | daxxar | Sigma Delta Modulator? :o |
| 21:02.43 | KTL | 7 hits on google aw |
| 21:03.14 | tupone | but what is a Sigma Delta Modulator? |
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| 21:03.39 | daxxar | I'm guessing it's a unit that does Sigma-delta modulation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigma-delta_modulation) |
| 21:04.12 | tupone | But I don't think in a laptop you need that :/ |
| 21:04.16 | tupone | so maybe is not |
| 21:04.17 | JeffM2501 | mike port |
| 21:04.18 | daxxar | # |
| 21:04.19 | daxxar | # 2 Principle |
| 21:04.19 | daxxar | # 3 Quantization theory formulas |
| 21:04.19 | daxxar | # 4 Structures |
| 21:04.21 | daxxar | Eh |
| 21:04.25 | daxxar | Sorry about that :-( |
| 21:04.45 | daxxar | Bloody touchpad. Anyway, I'll be heading to bed, up early and study hard tomorrow. *sigh* |
| 21:04.49 | JeffM2501 | what context is it used for? |
| 21:05.10 | brlcad | cya daxxar |
| 21:05.34 | KTL | Almost all analog integrated circuit vendors offer sigma delta converters. |
| 21:05.35 | daxxar | I'll try to pop by after studying the coming weeks, brlcad :) |
| 21:05.47 | JeffM2501 | tho I'm guessing it may be a security device manager, or something |
| 21:05.48 | tupone | service to fix a laptop said he changed/fixed sdm integrators (170 Euros) |
| 21:06.06 | tupone | and maybe they steal some extra money |
| 21:06.11 | KTL | wow |
| 21:06.26 | JeffM2501 | hard to say |
| 21:06.44 | KTL | go back and let them explain that in detail :D |
| 21:06.46 | JeffM2501 | did it have a thumprint security thingy? |
| 21:07.32 | tupone | nope |
| 21:07.49 | JeffM2501 | what make/model laptop is it? |
| 21:08.01 | brlcad | daxxar: sounds good |
| 21:08.08 | tupone | packard bell |
| 21:08.53 | JeffM2501 | what model? |
| 21:08.58 | blast007 | does it have a memory card reader? |
| 21:09.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah that could be the other thing |
| 21:09.30 | tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.41 | brlcad | daxxar: still want to talk with all four you guys before everyone officially "starts" with the other devs to make sure we agree and understand the general directions being taken, what to do, what to ignore, etc |
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| 21:12.33 | Constitution | ~bzsvn |
| 21:12.39 | ibot | somebody said bzsvn was http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag |
| 21:12.43 | tupone | brlcad, I don't know how to change the Makefile.am to build static and I don't have much time to research now. Giving -static to the last linking command, ldd says bzfs is not a dynamic executable |
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| 21:21.53 | daxxar | brlcad: Of course. If you're talking about something like a meeting with the bunch of us, give me a date and a time, and I'll let you know if there's a problem. If you mean one-on-one, I'd appreciate it if I could do it after .. 25th of may some time? :) |
| 21:22.13 | daxxar | In any case, you have my email and my irc nick, so drop me a line and I'll look at it ASAP. |
| 21:22.16 | daxxar | Good night, again. :) |
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| 21:44.19 | tupone | brlcad, did you read me? |
| 21:51.04 | brlcad | tupone: ah, okay (future reference, it's just -static to the bzfs_LDFLAGS) .. ldd chokes because it's the wrapper script if you don't use -static (which is why I want to add -static, to get rid of the need for the wrappers) |
| 21:51.41 | brlcad | daxxar: probably a mix of both, i'll let you know either way |
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| 21:52.33 | tupone | I did add the -static, but maybe in a bad place ? :/ |
| 21:53.14 | tupone | I did that : bzfs_LDFLAGS = -static |
| 21:53.30 | tupone | Maybe I have to rerun something |
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| 21:55.15 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14214 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/Makefile.am: |
| 21:55.15 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: test to see if the resulting bzfs has acceptable linkage -- using -static makes |
| 21:55.16 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: it link anything we compile static and gets rid of the libtool wrapper script. |
| 21:55.16 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: something for someone on linux to test/verify before doing same to the other |
| 21:55.16 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: binaries. |
| 21:56.54 | brlcad | if bzfs is still a script, then you have to rerun autogen.sh/configure (and usually implies you have busted/incompatible autotools mix) |
| 21:57.24 | brlcad | there are lots of version combinations that make automake unhappy and it fails to regenerate the right rules on recheck |
| 21:58.37 | brlcad | failsafe is to just run autogen.sh and configure again, remove (just) the binary/script and compile again |
| 21:58.37 | brlcad | if it's not a script, it worked |
| 21:58.37 | brlcad | (preinstall) |
| 21:58.37 | tupone | hmm, bzfs is never a script here |
| 21:58.40 | tupone | maybe --disable-shared |
| 21:58.44 | brlcad | ah |
| 21:58.53 | brlcad | yeah, that will disable it outright and then some |
| 21:59.06 | tupone | i'm in 2.0 |
| 21:59.22 | tupone | don't have 2.1 here |
| 21:59.23 | brlcad | i'm not too concerned about that case of disable-shared .. that forces everything static |
| 21:59.50 | tupone | so I'm sorry I can't help on that |
| 22:00.18 | tupone | at least not today |
| 22:00.29 | brlcad | hm, though it you use --disable-shared -- that should be the same end result |
| 22:00.34 | brlcad | that's effectively -static on everything |
| 22:00.45 | tupone | nope, is not static |
| 22:01.28 | tupone | as nothing is shared in the tree, you don't need any wrapper |
| 22:01.52 | tupone | like it is in 2.0 |
| 22:03.27 | brlcad | it is static from a libtool perspective |
| 22:03.36 | brlcad | that doesn't mean it linked system libraries static |
| 22:03.42 | brlcad | it refers to the compilation mode |
| 22:04.03 | brlcad | and libtool libraries specifically (with -static at least) |
| 22:04.24 | tupone | but I remember we did the same some years ago, and IIRC, -static is different then --disable-shared |
| 22:04.46 | brlcad | -static: "If target is a program, then do not link it against any uninstalled shared libtool libraries. If output-file is a library, then only create a static library. |
| 22:05.02 | brlcad | they are different, disable-shared does more too |
| 22:05.19 | brlcad | why I said effectively, not exactly the same :) |
| 22:06.42 | brlcad | is it true that your concern is not linking, say, libsdl static into the executables? |
| 22:07.03 | tupone | yep, or glibc |
| 22:07.37 | brlcad | okay, so if it turns out that -static doesn't do that, then you'd perhaps be okay with it? :) |
| 22:07.53 | tupone | well, the real problem for me, is the security. If you have a security fix for libcurl, normally you don't need to rebuild any application that use it |
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| 22:08.16 | AAA_awright | a_meteorite! |
| 22:08.38 | tupone | that's why I don't think having unknown code (unmaintaned from us) is not a safe things |
| 22:08.47 | tupone | s/not// |
| 22:08.59 | a_meteorite | hi? |
| 22:10.42 | brlcad | hm I disagree on that leap of a conclusion myself of course .. as we only compile IF they don't have it at _all_ |
| 22:11.16 | tupone | ahh ok. if you do that, I don't care |
| 22:11.40 | brlcad | it's merely convenience when _nothing_ is available -- basically giving them a tarball automatically |
| 22:12.26 | brlcad | if it compiles something/anything in src/other -- that implies that either they do not have that libary or they do not have one that works suitable or the configure test is broken/flawed |
| 22:15.53 | tupone | Hope that is not done fully automatically, as I want, in gentoo, to use only system library, and if they are broken, better to fix them |
| 22:18.58 | brlcad | nope |
| 22:19.05 | brlcad | each one can be individually forced on or off |
| 22:19.38 | brlcad | or all at once via --disable-all-builds |
| 22:19.48 | tupone | good, with that news I can go peacefully in my bed |
| 22:19.54 | tupone | nite |
| 22:19.56 | brlcad | all the externals are --enable/disable-*-build |
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| 22:34.18 | poolio | hey brlcad, mind if I message you? |
| 22:35.02 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r14215 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ (6 files in 6 dirs): Grab the cURL memory leak fixes from trunk, fix a few warnings |
| 22:37.06 | a_meteorite | blast007: was that the memory leaks you were seeing? |
| 22:37.13 | blast007 | yeah |
| 22:37.17 | a_meteorite | neat |
| 22:37.36 | blast007 | there are still some leaks, but they are one time only, not every time it sends/receives a request |
| 22:37.59 | blast007 | I ran the valgrind, and DTR fixed the issues as we went |
| 22:38.16 | a_meteorite | ah, well, that's better than recurring leaks |
| 22:38.20 | blast007 | finally got around to commiting them |
| 22:38.20 | blast007 | yeah |
| 22:38.39 | blast007 | it wasn't even just in plugins either |
| 22:38.59 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 22:39.06 | a_meteorite | I thought I saw a memory leak bout 6 months back |
| 22:39.08 | blast007 | the list server stuff had leaks too (at least the initial one, didn't leave the server up long enough in valgrind to see) |
| 22:39.24 | a_meteorite | every week bzfs was up memory would go up ~0.5% |
| 22:39.37 | blast007 | bzfs is using 4.8% of my RAM right now ;) |
| 22:39.39 | a_meteorite | finally bzfs got up to like 7-8% before I restarted it |
| 22:39.51 | Erroneous | it still leaks plenty :) |
| 22:40.48 | blast007 | yeah, but a lot less now ;) |
| 22:40.51 | Erroneous | yup |
| 22:48.31 | brlcad | poolio: I only mind when folks message me asking if they can ask a question, or just say a greeting and nothing else, or when they don't linger for a response ;) |
| 22:53.06 | CBG | /msg brlcad hi!! :P |
| 23:09.13 | biggeruniverse | can I ask a question |
| 23:09.55 | blast007 | you sure did |
| 23:10.10 | blast007 | :) |
| 23:10.19 | biggeruniverse | sry |
| 23:10.25 | biggeruniverse | brlcad: can I ask a question |
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