| 00:14.19 | Winny | anyone GU match? |
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| 03:16.05 | Winny_AFK | someone please bother COl Clinker about his sig again |
| 03:16.11 | Winny_AFK | it is 4 inches tall again |
| 03:18.48 | JeffM | send him a PM |
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| 03:21.36 | Winny_AFK | he just says "ur not an admin so u can't do anything lolzz" |
| 03:21.50 | JeffM | he did say that? |
| 03:22.09 | Winny_AFK | basically |
| 03:22.19 | JeffM | what exactly did he say? |
| 03:22.30 | Winny_AFK | one sec... |
| 03:24.00 | Winny_AFK | "aww do i have to? you not an admin" |
| 03:24.25 | JeffM | then he's asking you a question |
| 03:24.33 | JeffM | tell him why it's ugly |
| 03:24.40 | JeffM | maybe he'll understand |
| 03:24.46 | JeffM | don't put words into people's mouths |
| 03:25.02 | Winny_AFK | basically what he means. |
| 03:25.10 | JeffM | you don't know that |
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| 05:07.07 | jude- | hello all |
| 05:07.59 | brlcad | hello |
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| 05:12.40 | jude-_ | sorry about that |
| 05:12.53 | jude-_ | I didn't receive anything for the last three minutes |
| 05:14.53 | JeffM | hey jude |
| 05:15.08 | JeffM | so brlcad want to see if you can build lightfeather on the tosh? :) |
| 05:15.29 | jude- | huh? |
| 05:16.05 | jude- | I missed something (I got disconnected momentarily) |
| 05:16.12 | JeffM | no |
| 05:16.16 | JeffM | you didn't :) |
| 05:16.32 | jude- | "see if [I] can build lightfeather on the tosh?" |
| 05:16.39 | JeffM | no, brlcad |
| 05:16.41 | JeffM | not you |
| 05:16.48 | JeffM | <JeffM> so brlcad want to see if you can build lightfeather on the tosh? :) |
| 05:17.03 | JeffM | honestly I don't remember what OS you use :) |
| 05:17.15 | jude- | I couldn't tell if you left out the comma after "brlcad" or if you left out the s after "want" |
| 05:17.49 | JeffM | heh |
| 05:18.32 | purple_cow | in general if you can't understand jeff (which is often), it's best to just ignore him |
| 05:18.33 | purple_cow | ;-) |
| 05:18.55 | JeffM | indeed |
| 05:19.15 | JeffM | unless you happen to have a tosh, and want to help me try something :) |
| 05:19.22 | JeffM | that dosnt' realy have any direct bzflagness |
| 05:19.25 | jude- | what is a tosh? |
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| 05:20.08 | jude- | as in, a toshiba? |
| 05:20.28 | JeffM | as in macin |
| 05:20.29 | JeffM | ;) |
| 05:20.33 | jude- | ah |
| 05:20.46 | jude- | well, I have two LC III's sitting in the garage I can resurrect if need be |
| 05:21.19 | jude- | (36 MB RAM, 80 MB disk, 768K video RAM, 512x384 RGB monitor, System 7.5.5) |
| 05:21.35 | JeffM | hah |
| 05:21.46 | jude- | ancient |
| 05:22.00 | jude- | and an LC II motherboard |
| 05:22.02 | JeffM | oddly enough the origonal code I had for this WOULD have run on those |
| 05:22.09 | JeffM | if I knew where it is |
| 05:22.35 | brlcad | JeffM: sure |
| 05:22.54 | jude- | what are you attempting? |
| 05:23.17 | jude- | is it mac specific? |
| 05:23.20 | brlcad | JeffM: I was just perusing their site earlier today |
| 05:23.21 | JeffM | no |
| 05:23.24 | JeffM | heh |
| 05:23.30 | JeffM | I'm using there CVS |
| 05:23.33 | JeffM | I Have a test app |
| 05:23.46 | JeffM | no makefile, but wana see if you can buld there samples |
| 05:23.51 | JeffM | they say they support OSX |
| 05:24.01 | jude- | well, 7.5.5 is a bit behind on times :) |
| 05:24.09 | JeffM | a smidge |
| 05:24.21 | brlcad | let you know if a few minutes |
| 05:24.23 | JeffM | P23 did start on the mac |
| 05:24.24 | JeffM | cool |
| 05:24.31 | JeffM | yeah that did suck |
| 05:24.34 | JeffM | and pascal strings |
| 05:25.41 | JeffM | the code had to run on machiens that didn't |
| 05:25.49 | brlcad | ah, so they're a game engine around irrlicht |
| 05:26.01 | brlcad | didn't catch that earlier, neat |
| 05:26.03 | JeffM | yes and no |
| 05:26.14 | JeffM | they started with the irlicht rewrite |
| 05:26.20 | JeffM | then rewrote big chunks of that |
| 05:26.48 | JeffM | think of it as if it was somone who did a fork off of 1.8 :) |
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| 05:27.56 | jude- | READMEs are for the non-adventurous :) |
| 05:31.36 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/files/code/lfTest.zip |
| 05:32.04 | brlcad | bah, their configure.ac uses macros that they don't provide and aren't part of the autotools |
| 05:32.30 | JeffM | they are very open to changes/fixes |
| 05:34.22 | JeffM | they don't have an xcode project? |
| 05:34.22 | JeffM | they use a build tool that is interesting |
| 05:34.22 | JeffM | automaticly generates the make files, devC++, and VC6 projects. |
| 05:34.28 | JeffM | in the build dir, they have an xcode thingy |
| 05:34.31 | brlcad | that is interesting |
| 05:34.44 | brlcad | yeah, I saw the xcode project |
| 05:35.23 | brlcad | that's just not what I'd generally want to use -- xcode can be a royal pain for some things |
| 05:35.45 | brlcad | if this unix build doesn't work, i'll fall back to it |
| 05:36.30 | brlcad | which is looking very likely |
| 05:36.33 | brlcad | seems like their configure.ac is geared pretty heavily towards linux-only |
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| 05:54.29 | jude- | this is funny: www.creationmuseum.org |
| 05:57.35 | purple_cow | well, it would be funny if there wasn't a large segment of the US population that believes that =/ |
| 05:58.17 | L4m3r | better there, than in the public school system... |
| 05:59.54 | L4m3r | let's start pooling money so we can start a museum of FSM |
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| 06:24.30 | JeffM | brlcad, I didn't do a makefile for my stuff ether |
| 06:24.37 | JeffM | but its only one cpp file |
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| 06:35.14 | daniel_jackson | newton allergic to me mets? |
| 06:36.35 | a_meteorite | no |
| 06:37.03 | a_meteorite | bzfs processes are spawned by the apache server cause of our software |
| 06:37.10 | a_meteorite | for some reason apache just.. crashed |
| 06:37.20 | a_meteorite | I don't got root on the machine, so I can't start apache up |
| 06:37.48 | daniel_jackson | oh ok |
| 06:38.34 | daniel_jackson | well I'm logged in at missilewar if you need anyhelp |
| 06:38.41 | a_meteorite | sure |
| 06:38.59 | AAA_awright | a_meteorite: did the server crash? |
| 06:39.15 | a_meteorite | the server itself is fine, apache crashed though |
| 06:39.25 | a_meteorite | which means all spawned processes go down with it |
| 06:39.34 | AAA_awright | that shouldn't happen |
| 06:39.42 | a_meteorite | sure, it should |
| 06:39.44 | AAA_awright | it starts it with nohup |
| 06:39.52 | a_meteorite | bzfs becomes a child process, effectively owned by www-data |
| 06:40.11 | a_meteorite | though that is something we DON'T want to happen |
| 06:40.19 | AAA_awright | there must be somthing better than nohup... That means it ignore's hangups |
| 06:40.50 | a_meteorite | well.. |
| 06:41.00 | daniel_jackson | well nohup only tries to prevent hangups |
| 06:41.40 | daniel_jackson | I know from experience that 2.0.9 loves to crash |
| 06:42.03 | a_meteorite | the server didn't crash that's for sure |
| 06:42.08 | AAA_awright | I need to make bzfs a sibling process of apache, not a child |
| 06:42.15 | a_meteorite | apache is totally down |
| 06:42.30 | daniel_jackson | what distro? |
| 06:42.42 | a_meteorite | debian |
| 06:42.52 | a_meteorite | doesn't matter, I don't have root so I can't start apache |
| 06:43.08 | daniel_jackson | oh ok, let me ponder |
| 06:43.17 | a_meteorite | and the configs and stuff is owned by www-data so I can't touch it *points to AAA_awright* |
| 06:43.19 | DTRemenak | if you're getting crashes, please get backtraces for us too :) |
| 06:44.24 | daniel_jackson | configs for apache? |
| 06:44.24 | AAA_awright | Ididn'tDoIt! |
| 06:44.24 | a_meteorite | ? |
| 06:45.03 | daniel_jackson | well I would seem odd that you wouldn't have access to your own personal apache server and bzfs server |
| 06:45.19 | a_meteorite | nothing odd about it |
| 06:45.31 | AAA_awright | a_meteorite: pstree |
| 06:45.43 | daniel_jackson | well its keeping you from restarting apache |
| 06:45.49 | a_meteorite | I have access to my own bzfs, but we use web software that is executed under www-data |
| 06:45.52 | a_meteorite | AAA_awright: apache is still down |
| 06:46.07 | AAA_awright | nohup seems to do it's job, make the given process a sibling |
| 06:46.15 | daniel_jackson | you mean a web interface app? |
| 06:46.19 | a_meteorite | then something bad happened |
| 06:46.21 | a_meteorite | daniel_jackson: yes |
| 06:46.46 | a_meteorite | getting soda |
| 06:46.52 | AAA_awright | apache2 is using nohup to sprawn a bzfs process as a sibling to it, not as a child as it should |
| 06:47.04 | AAA_awright | a_meteorite: apache2 did NOT make bzfs go down, correct? |
| 06:47.45 | daniel_jackson | I think mets needs to slide back down the OSI layer |
| 06:47.58 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 06:48.27 | daniel_jackson | you loose control with a web interface |
| 06:48.46 | a_meteorite | back |
| 06:48.46 | AAA_awright | No you don't |
| 06:49.03 | a_meteorite | AAA_awright: I believe it did |
| 06:49.13 | daniel_jackson | unless you have a console you do |
| 06:49.16 | a_meteorite | cause bzfs sure as heck didn't |
| 06:49.23 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 06:49.34 | a_meteorite | *sure as heck didn't make apache go down |
| 06:49.43 | daniel_jackson | I got that |
| 06:49.51 | AAA_awright | bzfs did not go down since I was on it, then? Say correct? or incorrect? |
| 06:50.07 | a_meteorite | no, you left before it went down |
| 06:50.08 | AAA_awright | daniel_jackson: https://docs.google.com/View?docID=dcz67k4q_0hnzjzd&revision=_latest |
| 06:50.14 | AAA_awright | dang. |
| 06:50.31 | AAA_awright | I will try to reproduce it locally |
| 06:50.50 | a_meteorite | start a server with bzfsadmin then kill apache |
| 06:50.52 | a_meteorite | see what happens |
| 06:51.04 | daniel_jackson | that may work |
| 06:51.04 | AAA_awright | it kills bzfs too |
| 06:51.13 | a_meteorite | then we got a problem |
| 06:51.41 | AAA_awright | It is a sibling process with nohup, that should NOT happen |
| 06:52.00 | daniel_jackson | may I ask whose hosting the machine? |
| 06:52.09 | a_meteorite | giggsey |
| 06:52.14 | daniel_jackson | oh ok |
| 06:52.36 | daniel_jackson | U.S.? |
| 06:52.45 | a_meteorite | germany |
| 06:52.54 | daniel_jackson | oh ok cool |
| 06:53.32 | daniel_jackson | so what to do with our "baby" boxywars? lol |
| 06:53.54 | a_meteorite | wait for giggsey to figure out apache is stopped |
| 06:54.04 | a_meteorite | this machine also hosts an irc network |
| 06:54.10 | a_meteorite | so.. it won't be long before they notice |
| 06:54.14 | AAA_awright | :s |
| 06:54.19 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 06:54.29 | a_meteorite | ( appliedirc.com ) |
| 06:54.36 | AAA_awright | |<-- AAA_awright left freenode (user timed out) |
| 06:55.02 | AAA_awright | Confirmed, killing apache2 kills sibling bzfs |
| 06:55.29 | a_meteorite | Confirmation taken, resolution: Fix it |
| 06:55.30 | daniel_jackson | well we have boxywar in Poland and in New Zealand |
| 06:55.49 | a_meteorite | get it populated :) |
| 06:55.51 | a_meteorite | I'm busy patching source |
| 06:55.59 | daniel_jackson | lol |
| 06:57.19 | AAA_awright | a_meteorite: sending "killall -S HUP apache2" does NOT kill bzfs |
| 06:57.26 | AAA_awright | sorry, lower "s" |
| 06:57.27 | daniel_jackson | ok I'm on poland's boxywar now |
| 06:57.34 | a_meteorite | well, I'm not the one in control of apache on this box |
| 06:57.40 | AAA_awright | hense the name, noHUP |
| 06:58.08 | daniel_jackson | why the "-S HUP"? |
| 06:59.22 | a_meteorite | time to test this mod |
| 06:59.34 | AAA_awright | that sends the HUP signal, as opposed to KILL, etc |
| 06:59.43 | AAA_awright | There are different ways to end a program |
| 06:59.50 | AAA_awright | some are nicer then others. |
| 07:00.06 | daniel_jackson | ok I have 8 temp bots on poland |
| 07:00.37 | AAA_awright | there are 33 different signals you can send to a process on my gentoo box |
| 07:00.54 | daniel_jackson | just break out the ax and kill it! lol |
| 07:02.13 | AAA_awright | time to try "sudo -u bzflag nohup bzfs log1.txt>>/dev/null 2>>log2.txt" |
| 07:02.19 | a_meteorite | that's bad karma |
| 07:02.30 | AAA_awright | see if that works when you give apache passwordless sudu powers |
| 07:02.33 | AAA_awright | what bad karma? |
| 07:02.41 | a_meteorite | re daniel_jackson |
| 07:02.49 | AAA_awright | eek |
| 07:02.59 | a_meteorite | AAA_awright: um, I would have to ask giggsey to do that |
| 07:03.11 | a_meteorite | he's not likely to |
| 07:03.24 | AAA_awright | I am execuring it as a non-root user |
| 07:03.53 | AAA_awright | I thought you could wire sudo to run as one user without a password? |
| 07:04.04 | a_meteorite | yes |
| 07:04.05 | AAA_awright | sudo -u user command arg |
| 07:05.41 | AAA_awright | wait... killall -s HUP does not even seem to kill apache. |
| 07:05.53 | AAA_awright | It kills many of them |
| 07:05.59 | AAA_awright | not the root one, though? |
| 07:06.02 | AAA_awright | hm. |
| 07:06.57 | AAA_awright | yup, HUP is ignored by the mother apache2 process |
| 07:07.27 | AAA_awright | but then why doesn't that kill bzfs, if it was started by a child apache process? |
| 07:10.00 | daniel_jackson | any luck? |
| 07:12.46 | DTRemenak | woot, back under a hundred errors |
| 07:13.29 | AAA_awright | Bye all |
| 07:13.38 | daniel_jackson | well good luck you guys, I have to get ready for my yellowstone trip, I'll be gone from 5/31-6/12 |
| 07:14.05 | AAA_awright | a_meteorite: until farther notice, start the server manually, with -conf /path/to/data/servers/s5154/server.conf |
| 07:14.17 | a_meteorite | I can't |
| 07:14.20 | a_meteorite | ... |
| 07:14.32 | a_meteorite | it's all owned by www-data, so I get permission errors |
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| 07:37.38 | daniel_jackson | well I'm going to take off cya guys |
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| 10:58.55 | DavidHKMrPowers | i think a 2D version would be good too |
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| 11:16.56 | Benfish | how can i change the color of the server advertisement in the public server list? :) something in the config? |
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| 11:36.11 | donny_baker | Benfish: not sure that you can |
| 11:37.13 | donny_baker | Benfish: did you end up getting it working? |
| 11:40.22 | Benfish | hmm, so the list server just chooses for you? |
| 11:40.25 | Benfish | and yes, i did :) |
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| 12:07.34 | donny_baker | Benfish: the colors mean something... ive seen a list somewhere before i think... on the forums iirc |
| 12:07.39 | donny_baker | ill see if i can find it |
| 12:07.51 | Benfish | ok, thanks :) |
| 12:10.02 | donny_baker | here it is http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=9259 |
| 12:12.31 | Benfish | aha! |
| 12:12.34 | Benfish | thank you |
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| 12:17.32 | JonathanD | any admins here? :p |
| 12:20.04 | JonathanD | got a stuck flag on hepcat |
| 12:26.52 | donny_baker | here is a relative term in IRC ;) |
| 12:27.12 | JonathanD | lol |
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| 13:16.30 | CBG | JonathanD: still need someone? I might be able to fix that... |
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| 14:31.07 | JonathanD | gggafixed I think, thanks CBG |
| 14:32.47 | CBG | ok :) |
| 14:50.09 | JonathanD | my gun fires when I'm going forward and pullthe mouse back quickly |
| 14:50.21 | JonathanD | is this a "just me" thing or has anyone seen this before :p |
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| 14:51.49 | Winny | what is your fire button mapped to...? |
| 14:52.19 | AAA_awright | Left mouse, space (probably not the default) |
| 14:52.32 | Winny | hmmm |
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| 15:12.14 | JonathanD | left mouse. |
| 15:12.25 | JonathanD | repeatable, but only in BZ |
| 15:12.38 | JonathanD | I have to have it allll the way forward, than pull back fast |
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| 15:13.54 | Tech_Support | hi |
| 15:14.06 | JonathanD | hi. |
| 15:15.12 | BearPerson | JonathanD, try unmapping fire from left mouse, maybe it's the hardware... your mouse triggering a click due to acceleration |
| 15:15.14 | Winny | heh |
| 15:15.20 | Winny | that guy never stays |
| 15:15.44 | BearPerson | tech support just isn't reliable ;) |
| 15:15.55 | JonathanD | BearPerson: I mapped it to left ctrl, same thing... |
| 15:16.13 | BearPerson | okay, one down, many to go ;) |
| 15:18.48 | JonathanD | I may have fixed it. |
| 15:18.53 | JonathanD | weird, weird, weird. |
| 15:19.03 | JonathanD | also, highly annoying tker in hepcat :p |
| 15:19.04 | JonathanD | baci |
| 15:21.01 | JonathanD | it doesn't do it if I have a usb mouse plugged in, BearPerson |
| 15:21.10 | JonathanD | unplug the mouse, problem comes back |
| 15:21.11 | BearPerson | now _that_ is interesting ;) |
| 15:21.28 | BearPerson | with remapped fire, left clicking really does not fire anymore? |
| 15:21.34 | JonathanD | correct |
| 15:23.13 | BearPerson | hmm... the only possible explanation I'd have is "overflow somewhere", but high-level stuff like bzflag won't have fields so tight that "moved distance" would overflow into "fire", and low-level stuff would trigger a click, which shouldn't cause firing anymore |
| 15:24.25 | JonathanD | weird |
| 15:24.34 | JonathanD | tis magic :p |
| 15:24.44 | JonathanD | and somehow the USB mouse "stabalizes" it. |
| 15:24.49 | JonathanD | GAH! |
| 15:24.56 | JonathanD | i'm going to eat his young or something |
| 15:25.06 | Benfish | eek |
| 15:27.13 | JonathanD | anyone here able to do something? :( |
| 15:27.17 | JonathanD | baki, on hepcat :( |
| 15:27.38 | Benfish | are you allowed to run /poll's there? |
| 15:30.17 | JonathanD | we've done that |
| 15:30.20 | JonathanD | 5, 6 times |
| 15:30.22 | Benfish | :S |
| 15:30.24 | JonathanD | he keeps rejoining. |
| 15:30.33 | Benfish | even with poll ban?:O |
| 15:30.37 | JonathanD | yup |
| 15:30.40 | Benfish | :S |
| 15:30.54 | JonathanD | team kills AND team captures :/ |
| 15:32.35 | blast007 | fun... |
| 15:34.07 | JonathanD | he's bragging about his 47 tks |
| 15:35.20 | CBG | coming |
| 15:39.42 | JonathanD | yay! |
| 15:39.42 | CBG | first time on bz in months. :P |
| 15:39.42 | CBG | you dragged me out of happiness |
| 15:39.42 | scott | :( |
| 15:41.23 | JonathanD | thanks CBG :P |
| 15:41.23 | JonathanD | I'll make it up to you |
| 15:41.27 | CBG | hehe |
| 15:41.37 | CBG | eww, slober |
| 15:41.59 | JonathanD | we can deal with that! |
| 15:42.11 | CBG | lol |
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| 16:25.18 | Benfish | hmm, i have just tried to start bzfs (with config) its giving no errors, just cominf up with a list of config options to enter o.O |
| 16:25.26 | Benfish | coming* |
| 16:26.05 | Winny | scroll up |
| 16:26.11 | Winny | the error is usually up |
| 16:26.14 | Benfish | i did, no errors :) |
| 16:26.18 | Winny | odd. |
| 16:26.53 | Benfish | it says: BZFlag server 2.0.8.20070526-MAINT-linux-gnu (protocol 0026) http://BZFlag.org/ |
| 16:26.53 | Benfish | Copyright (c) 1993 - 2006 Tim Riker |
| 16:27.07 | Benfish | then Usage: (and the list of config options) |
| 16:28.05 | tannerld | pastbin config? |
| 16:28.21 | Benfish | ok |
| 16:30.09 | Benfish | cant pastebin it -> Query failure: Can't open file: 'recent.MYI'. (errno: 145) |
| 16:30.10 | Benfish | lock tables recent write |
| 16:30.48 | tannerld | works fine for me :\ |
| 16:32.02 | Benfish | http://www.benfish.fishyhost.com/config.conf |
| 16:33.19 | Benfish | ok.. that doesnt work either even though i just uploaded it and can see it with my ftp client right in that folder o.o |
| 16:35.33 | Benfish | here: http://pastebin.ca/514211 |
| 16:37.09 | tannerld | hmm.. I don't see anything wrong. |
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| 16:37.54 | Winny | hola Jeff |
| 16:39.32 | Benfish | thats what i get when i try run ./bzfs -conf config.conf |
| 16:39.33 | Benfish | http://pastebin.ca/514218 |
| 16:40.19 | JeffM | hey |
| 16:41.21 | JeffM | what is in your config? |
| 16:41.47 | Benfish | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.20 | AAA_awright | I think you need to use -d -d? |
| 16:42.31 | AAA_awright | Can you use -dddd? |
| 16:42.45 | AAA_awright | Huh, cool |
| 16:43.34 | AAA_awright | Benfish: try +f R*{1} |
| 16:44.25 | AAA_awright | on line 77 and 78 |
| 16:44.54 | JeffM | brlcad, you didn't spend all night on it did yo? |
| 16:46.15 | Benfish | tried that, same output |
| 16:46.38 | JeffM | try just runing ./bzfs -d -d -d |
| 16:46.41 | JeffM | see what that does |
| 16:46.43 | AAA_awright | That caused an error for me, there might be multiple then |
| 16:46.43 | brlcad | JeffM: naw, but did take a bit longer than it should have |
| 16:46.43 | JeffM | no config |
| 16:47.01 | AAA_awright | -dddd works on 2.0.8 |
| 16:47.20 | brlcad | autotools build for os x was a sure no-go, which is what I ditched last night |
| 16:47.23 | JeffM | brlcad, how hard was it to make a makefile for my sample? |
| 16:47.52 | brlcad | xcode project was a lot better, but it was also a little out of date (been talking with their mac dev all morning, he was working on it) |
| 16:47.59 | AAA_awright | that's odd |
| 16:48.26 | AAA_awright | bzfs -fb +f g{1} gives me that error |
| 16:48.33 | brlcad | i hadn't gotten to your sample yet -- been playing with lf's examples/tests and talking with their devs about the engine |
| 16:48.47 | JeffM | ahh |
| 16:48.59 | JeffM | I've found them to be extremely helpfull |
| 16:49.41 | brlcad | they have been |
| 16:49.46 | brlcad | nice guys |
| 16:50.16 | JeffM | if only they could be convinced to add a right hand mode :) |
| 16:52.33 | Benfish | hmm, made a new config file - works |
| 16:53.39 | JeffM | yeah I've found a couple bugs too, they've been working on fixing them :) |
| 16:54.45 | CBG | Benfish: two -mp lines is probably bad. |
| 16:54.55 | CBG | -mp 30 |
| 16:54.55 | CBG | -mp 0,15,0,15,0,4 |
| 16:55.04 | CBG | But I wouldda thought the second just overrode the first. |
| 16:55.20 | AAA_awright | Benfish: it is the comments after the flag listings |
| 16:55.50 | AAA_awright | +f A{2} # Agility <-- is invalid |
| 16:56.00 | CBG | Why? |
| 16:56.08 | AAA_awright | +f A{2} <-- no comments is valid... maybe? |
| 16:56.44 | AAA_awright | no, it is a problem with the flags though |
| 16:57.23 | AAA_awright | doh. -f B{1} needs to use +f |
| 16:57.36 | tannerld | there is a -f command (I think) |
| 16:57.41 | AAA_awright | tannerld: there is |
| 16:57.50 | CBG | Also, you add some bad flags, take some away and then use "-f bad" too. So, ultimately, you get no bad flags. You could achieve that with just that last line. Also, no need to specify a number when using -f, such as with -f BY{1}. |
| 16:57.52 | AAA_awright | It means that the server should not randomly place that flag |
| 16:58.01 | AAA_awright | there is no number argument |
| 16:58.15 | AAA_awright | -f G -or- +f G{1} |
| 16:58.23 | CBG | Didn't I just say that? |
| 16:58.31 | tannerld | yep |
| 16:58.38 | AAA_awright | -f only means anything if you use +s |
| 16:58.46 | brlcad | JeffM: heh, you had a right-hand left-hand talk with them too? :) |
| 16:58.56 | brlcad | that was the first thing I was talking to them about |
| 16:58.56 | CBG | Or if you use +f GOOD/BAD, no? |
| 16:59.01 | Benfish | so remove the number argument for the... (example: ) -f B{1} |
| 16:59.10 | AAA_awright | No, change it to +f |
| 16:59.14 | JeffM | yeah |
| 16:59.18 | CBG | yep, Benfish, for all "-f" lines. |
| 16:59.24 | Benfish | ok |
| 16:59.28 | JeffM | if I did the work, they'd accept it |
| 16:59.32 | JeffM | as an option |
| 16:59.32 | CBG | AAA_awright: uh, not if he is wanting to not have those flags. |
| 16:59.41 | JeffM | it's just not a simple thing to do |
| 17:00.14 | Benfish | so how should i make it so those flags do not get spawned onto the map? |
| 17:00.15 | AAA_awright | CBG: yah, if you want a flag, you use +f. If the server randomly generates flags (that one does not), you can use -f to prevent it from randomly generating that flag. |
| 17:00.21 | JeffM | they are only lefthand now, cus irr was left |
| 17:00.27 | JeffM | and irr was left cus of directX |
| 17:00.35 | CBG | Benfish: if you do NOT want those flags, use -f with NO number. |
| 17:00.41 | JeffM | gl is simple to throw into left, direct is harder to put into right |
| 17:00.43 | CBG | If you do want them, use +f with a number. |
| 17:00.48 | Benfish | ok, thanks :) |
| 17:01.32 | CBG | Chances are, you don't need to use -f because that is only useful when you add a group of flags, or random flags, but want to not have all of them. If you use, +f GOOD for example, but don't want Geno, you would then use -f G to disallow that. |
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| 17:02.24 | CBG | The same applies if you assign random flags, as opposed to +f GOOD. |
| 17:03.23 | CBG | (Random flags would be added with +s or -s) |
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| 19:21.50 | brlcad | purple_cow: is anyone (at all) working on picogui? |
| 19:30.51 | tupone | hola brlcad |
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| 19:32.42 | brlcad | ciao tupone |
| 19:34.23 | purple_cow | brlcad: hahahahahahaha |
| 19:34.24 | purple_cow | no |
| 19:34.32 | SportChick | ~thwap brlcad |
| 19:34.34 | ibot | ACTION thwaps brlcad on the nose with a 2 by 4 |
| 19:37.22 | Winny | Is there some script we can add to the forum to only all two [img]s in sigs? |
| 19:37.42 | Winny | getting REALLY annoying having people with 2 sig pics, 4 userbars, and other stuff. |
| 19:41.24 | L4m3r | I wish there was a way to ban userbars outright |
| 19:41.36 | L4m3r | sig pics = good, userbars = lame |
| 19:41.47 | Winny | and then theres the people who go |
| 19:42.02 | Winny | "EVERYTHING I USE!!!... IN THE SIG!!!" |
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| 19:43.13 | purple_cow | userbar? |
| 19:43.28 | tannerld | the signature images that aren't signature images :P |
| 19:44.57 | SpazzyMcGee | The userbars that the kids make aren't even proper userbars - incorrect sizes/fonts etc. |
| 19:45.14 | L4m3r | most of them are the right sizes |
| 19:45.21 | L4m3r | fonts, though, yeah |
| 19:45.36 | L4m3r | it's funny, last time I looked, PETER had eight of them |
| 19:46.05 | L4m3r | some of them were "standard" and a couple were obviously home made... and they looked all wrong |
| 19:46.21 | L4m3r | I'm certain that the fact that PETER is a gimp fanboy had something to do with it :P |
| 19:46.52 | SpazzyMcGee | a fanboy that only discovered it a few days ago, it seems. |
| 19:47.38 | SpazzyMcGee | Hey look: a thread called "My first gimp userbar", bu halo3 |
| 19:47.43 | SpazzyMcGee | s/bu/by |
| 19:48.04 | L4m3r | no, he feels that the gimp is *better* than photoshop |
| 19:49.49 | SpazzyMcGee | heh. |
| 19:49.58 | SpazzyMcGee | What has he ever used photoshop? |
| 19:50.01 | SpazzyMcGee | *when |
| 19:50.29 | L4m3r | I don't know |
| 19:50.42 | L4m3r | he obviously doesn't know better :P |
| 19:51.10 | L4m3r | gimp is impressive for a piece of free software, but it can't hold a candle to the real deal |
| 19:52.50 | SpazzyMcGee | Ah well. BZBB is down the toilet. |
| 19:54.39 | L4m3r | perhaps we should get tough on [OT] garbage in the players forum |
| 19:55.12 | JeffM | now you know why I used delete a lot :) |
| 19:56.01 | L4m3r | heh |
| 19:56.22 | L4m3r | ugh, this means I actually have to start *reading* the players forum :P |
| 19:56.36 | SpazzyMcGee | imho, you need to be more liberal with probationary accounts |
| 19:56.59 | SpazzyMcGee | Can you not set a limit on posts per day, or something? |
| 19:57.04 | JeffM | no |
| 19:57.11 | JeffM | but you can make them not able to post |
| 19:57.14 | JeffM | we did that a lot too |
| 19:57.31 | SpazzyMcGee | Really? |
| 19:57.42 | JeffM | oh yeah |
| 19:58.19 | SpazzyMcGee | Not meaning to be rude - I diddn't really notice. |
| 19:58.35 | L4m3r | out of sight, out of mind :) |
| 19:58.35 | JeffM | well they didn't post anymore, and the off topic stuff was deleted |
| 19:58.38 | JeffM | so that was the point |
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| 19:58.45 | JeffM | to not let it disrupt the others |
| 19:58.48 | JeffM | so its' good you didn't |
| 19:59.23 | SpazzyMcGee | fair enough. |
| 19:59.50 | JeffM | it ain't a democracy, so there was never a need for anyone else to know |
| 20:00.51 | brlcad | that's where you see all the hard work that goes on behind the scenes |
| 20:01.09 | brlcad | when admin is done right, you're not sure that anything was ever done at all (because everything goes smoothly) |
| 20:01.37 | brlcad | it's only when the admins stop, get tired, demotivated, whatever, that you see things deteriorate and fall apart |
| 20:01.54 | SpazzyMcGee | I can't blame them. |
| 20:01.56 | brlcad | just goes to show just how much effort jeff put into it (which he should NOT have had to do in the first place) |
| 20:01.57 | L4m3r | that depends on the admins' style though |
| 20:02.30 | L4m3r | I'm more the lazy type who prefers to use more automated systems to keep the newbies in check |
| 20:02.45 | L4m3r | which is why I like more complex softwares :) |
| 20:02.54 | JeffM | i'ts not a techincal thing |
| 20:02.57 | JeffM | it's a soical thing |
| 20:03.01 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 20:03.24 | JeffM | limiting the actions of everyone is not a vaild solutin I feel |
| 20:03.43 | JeffM | not unless you have well defined ways to move past those restictions |
| 20:03.52 | JeffM | too gestapo like |
| 20:03.58 | L4m3r | like post count :) |
| 20:04.12 | L4m3r | of course this is for more... forum-like forums :P |
| 20:04.16 | JeffM | that punishes people with legit help questions |
| 20:04.23 | JeffM | there just needs to be 2 fourms |
| 20:04.31 | JeffM | an offical, and a community one |
| 20:04.35 | L4m3r | you don't need eight userbars to ask a question |
| 20:04.35 | JeffM | like the one Winny set up |
| 20:04.39 | brlcad | yeah, iron fisting just demoralizes the community and makes all but the most strong personalities go away |
| 20:04.49 | JeffM | the number of idiots is small |
| 20:04.53 | JeffM | all you have to do is talk to them |
| 20:05.04 | brlcad | yep, though a very disturbing minority |
| 20:05.10 | Winny | I heard my name |
| 20:05.10 | Winny | :p |
| 20:05.14 | JeffM | if they arn't willing to work with you, screw it, don't let em post. they weren't going to add anything postitive anyway |
| 20:05.14 | brlcad | have to constantly keep them in check |
| 20:05.21 | Winny | DTRemenak, I also sent halo3 a PM |
| 20:05.28 | JeffM | as did I |
| 20:05.32 | Winny | :D |
| 20:05.43 | brlcad | not to mention efforts in giving everyone "due process" else they become poisoning personalities |
| 20:06.25 | JeffM | 85% of the time, most users that had a violoation fixed it after the first PM |
| 20:06.39 | JeffM | the other 15% were under 15 years old, and took longer |
| 20:06.40 | Winny | they seem to make it small, then gradually add stuff |
| 20:06.51 | Winny | as if people don't notice |
| 20:07.04 | a_meteorite | hold on while I go make my sig 1 foot tall... ;) |
| 20:07.06 | JeffM | people say I judge young people too harshly, but realy it's based on years of observations |
| 20:07.17 | L4m3r | I think in the case of signatures, a concrete pixel limit might be a good idea |
| 20:07.29 | L4m3r | especially in BZBB where there's no skin variance or anything to worry about |
| 20:07.31 | a_meteorite | and post one liners like "lolz" |
| 20:07.39 | JonathanD | lolz |
| 20:07.41 | JeffM | L4m3r, since it can be text, that can be hard to enforce |
| 20:07.46 | JeffM | given font sizes on OSs, etc.. |
| 20:07.47 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 20:07.47 | Winny | lolz |
| 20:07.59 | JeffM | or just remove sigs alltogeher |
| 20:08.00 | Winny | JeffM, script that limits sigs to one [img] tag? |
| 20:08.02 | JeffM | they don't add anything |
| 20:08.10 | JeffM | Winny, mod it up |
| 20:08.20 | a_meteorite | not a hard mod, really. |
| 20:08.29 | JeffM | no |
| 20:08.34 | L4m3r | vB has it, so it must be possible ;) |
| 20:08.35 | JeffM | but it would have to be maintained |
| 20:08.37 | Winny | JeffM, ill look for it, or *attempt* to hack it together |
| 20:08.41 | JeffM | every mod that is made |
| 20:08.46 | JeffM | means more mods with each upgrade |
| 20:08.53 | JeffM | and more dependence on phpbb :) |
| 20:09.08 | L4m3r | we should look into phpBB3 when it's released... |
| 20:09.17 | JeffM | you probably should |
| 20:09.21 | JeffM | since it does suport ldap |
| 20:09.34 | Winny | its at RC 1 now |
| 20:09.36 | brlcad | L4m3r: and a aspect ratio limit ... |
| 20:09.37 | a_meteorite | phpBB3's rc1 has full support |
| 20:09.47 | L4m3r | brlcad: eh? |
| 20:09.56 | a_meteorite | they will support RCs from upgrading from 2.x and to the final 3.0 |
| 20:09.58 | L4m3r | oh, you mean, sig:post? heh |
| 20:10.13 | L4m3r | usually it's just a height limit |
| 20:10.20 | Winny | Hmm, I just noticed I have no sig :p |
| 20:10.40 | a_meteorite | I'm considering removing everything but the image in mine |
| 20:10.41 | DTRemenak | can we just disable signatures altogether? how much would that piss people off? :) |
| 20:10.46 | Winny | I better limit it to 90px |
| 20:10.46 | a_meteorite | a lot |
| 20:10.54 | L4m3r | yeah, a lot, for sure |
| 20:11.01 | Winny | I like having a link to my own bzflag related projects in my sig |
| 20:11.06 | a_meteorite | same |
| 20:11.07 | Winny | best place to distribute useful things |
| 20:11.32 | Winny | ...such as the forum to drag away the useless people |
| 20:12.00 | L4m3r | if we set up two forums with the same auth that could work |
| 20:12.06 | SpazzyMcGee | Mines only 30 px tall |
| 20:12.07 | L4m3r | use a profiling system between them |
| 20:12.25 | L4m3r | then we get a more loose community board and a no-bull on-topic one |
| 20:12.28 | JeffM | L4m3r, but realy, try a social solution first |
| 20:12.50 | JeffM | make an annoucement post |
| 20:12.50 | JeffM | stating that there ARE limits |
| 20:12.51 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 20:12.51 | JeffM | see how much of it that takes care of |
| 20:14.08 | Winny | any tutoprials about how I would go about setting up my forum to use global login? |
| 20:14.53 | L4m3r | nope |
| 20:14.58 | Winny | bah |
| 20:15.12 | JeffM | there is the checktoken.php |
| 20:15.22 | JeffM | that will show you HOW to get a token and verify it |
| 20:15.30 | JeffM | but moding your boards to use that, that's up to you |
| 20:15.47 | Winny | I shall look into it |
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| 20:16.33 | JeffM | basicly you send them to a page on the my.b.o site |
| 20:16.42 | JeffM | in that page you embed a callback URL |
| 20:16.46 | CBG | Talking of phpBB3... upgrading to that would involve some work to the global reg system, right? |
| 20:16.52 | JeffM | that will be called with there username and token |
| 20:16.57 | a_meteorite | CBG: certainly |
| 20:17.00 | CBG | Enough to warrant moving to better forum software, perhaps? |
| 20:17.08 | a_meteorite | not much cause of an upgrade script though |
| 20:17.21 | a_meteorite | phpBB3 is pretty good, imho.. |
| 20:17.21 | JeffM | then you use the checktoken.php to check the token and username and get there BZID |
| 20:17.32 | JeffM | a_meteorite, did they change the username/password tables? |
| 20:17.39 | CBG | It's still phpBB.. |
| 20:18.08 | a_meteorite | CBG: and what's so bad about it? it's the most popular board, for a reason... ;) |
| 20:18.25 | a_meteorite | JeffM: I don't believe they did, as that's pretty core functionality, but I haven't checked either |
| 20:18.35 | CBG | a_meteorite: that argument is totally flawed... "Windows" anyone? |
| 20:18.38 | JeffM | a_meteorite, then the list server will work fine |
| 20:18.41 | a_meteorite | cause they'll always need tables with usernames and password hashes |
| 20:18.48 | DTRemenak | windows is the most popular os for a reason too, CBG |
| 20:18.49 | JeffM | a_meteorite, it's not as modular as it could be |
| 20:18.56 | a_meteorite | that is very true |
| 20:19.14 | JeffM | 3 is suposed to be more modular |
| 20:19.16 | CBG | DTRemenak: whatever it is is probably just your opinion |
| 20:19.30 | a_meteorite | but if phpBB3 has everything you guys need, or close to it, migrating to another board may not be worth the trouble |
| 20:19.34 | a_meteorite | it's all about the pros and cons |
| 20:19.51 | a_meteorite | yeah, it's supposed to be more modular.. haven't actually done any mods yet though :) |
| 20:20.11 | JeffM | that is what part of evaluating it and making a "gasp" PLAN is about |
| 20:20.23 | CBG | That's why I asked if the work involved moving from phpBB2 to 3 warranted moving to a whole new system... |
| 20:20.30 | JeffM | phpbb3 will probalby end up being the simplest way to transtion to something else for login, lik dap |
| 20:20.39 | JeffM | CBG, noone knows, noone has evaluated it |
| 20:21.33 | CBG | Well, it seems that the username/password tables haven't changed and that means there would be very little work to maintain the global reg system... |
| 20:21.40 | CBG | So moving to a new system would be silly. |
| 20:21.49 | JeffM | depends what you want to migrate too |
| 20:22.03 | JeffM | if you want to migrate to a system that isn't tied to a fourm.... |
| 20:22.19 | L4m3r | in-game registration! woohoo! :D |
| 20:22.39 | DTRemenak | L4m3r: we can already do that, actually :) |
| 20:22.59 | L4m3r | true |
| 20:23.17 | CBG | JeffM: nothing in particular, but I just hate phpbb, so pretty much anything else is better imho :) |
| 20:23.26 | DTRemenak | the email confirmation means you have to quit though, so not sure how much point there is. |
| 20:23.32 | JeffM | yes we know you hate it |
| 20:23.44 | JeffM | you've been quite anoyingly adimate about it |
| 20:23.56 | JeffM | yet have never offered any compelling reason to swap to your pet board. |
| 20:24.02 | CBG | I haven't mentioned it in months. Stop being such a fucking emo bitch. |
| 20:24.06 | a_meteorite | ... |
| 20:24.13 | Winny | ........ |
| 20:24.23 | Winny | yay! 2501! |
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| 20:24.29 | CBG | Weee |
| 20:24.32 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b *!*@*.cdif.cable.ntl.com] by JeffM2501 |
| 20:24.50 | *** mode/#bzflag [-o JeffM] by JeffM |
| 20:25.02 | JeffM | all I wanted him to do is provide vaild reasons |
| 20:25.05 | JeffM | but I guess he can't do that |
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| 20:25.30 | CBG | I could, if you had asked before I typed my last message. |
| 20:25.44 | L4m3r | SMF isn't an option, CBG |
| 20:26.01 | L4m3r | it's just as insecure, if not worse, than phpBB |
| 20:26.20 | JeffM | oh I forgot the kick :) |
| 20:26.25 | brlcad | CBG: your a short toss away from a long-term banning, watch the language better in here or take it elsewhere |
| 20:26.26 | L4m3r | ACP lets you edit PHP, so compromised BB -> pwned server |
| 20:26.28 | CBG | But you've been hostile to me since about 2 days before you left with that stupid blog post. |
| 20:26.33 | CBG | Oh, really? |
| 20:26.43 | JeffM | brlcad, he's been banned so many times, I odn't know why you put up with him |
| 20:26.49 | CBG | brlcad: someone had to say it, and I did. |
| 20:26.58 | CBG | Uh, banned here? "many times"? |
| 20:27.10 | brlcad | CBG: no, nobody has to say anything with that language in here |
| 20:27.15 | JeffM | I mentioned that your push for it had been anoying, you've pushed for it in many places, I didn't just say here. |
| 20:27.24 | JeffM | then I mentioned that you hadn't provided reasons |
| 20:27.27 | JeffM | then you snaped |
| 20:27.37 | JeffM | I mean damn man. ease up |
| 20:27.43 | CBG | You ease up. |
| 20:27.56 | CBG | You've been nothing but hostile to me for no reason. |
| 20:28.04 | DTRemenak | take it to pm please |
| 20:28.05 | CBG | (and yes, I did just give you a reason) |
| 20:28.06 | L4m3r | CBG: you're still forgetting who has the ban-axe |
| 20:28.19 | CBG | I don't give a crap, I don't even play the game anymore. |
| 20:28.21 | JeffM | I was just trying to talk about the boards |
| 20:28.23 | JeffM | oh well |
| 20:28.24 | brlcad | you often arrogant and pushy |
| 20:28.38 | CBG | So ban me... |
| 20:29.10 | brlcad | if you're so intent on causing trouble, a ban won't solve much |
| 20:29.13 | CBG | Show me the last time I "pushed for it" someplace other than here. |
| 20:29.25 | JeffM | bzbb |
| 20:29.30 | JeffM | mofo fourms |
| 20:29.34 | CBG | Link me to the post. |
| 20:29.38 | JeffM | but it matters not |
| 20:29.46 | brlcad | i only care about in here, that's enough in itself and you seem to have a knack for it in here every few months |
| 20:29.48 | L4m3r | I even tried it out, in good faith |
| 20:29.51 | CBG | No, please, I'd love to be reminded of what I said. |
| 20:30.02 | L4m3r | I asserted its suckage, and you still won't stop |
| 20:30.05 | SpazzyMcGee | To be fair, that was probbably in reference to the mofo boards, not bzbb. |
| 20:30.16 | JeffM | SpazzyMcGee, I never said it wasn't |
| 20:30.17 | CBG | I am not intent on causing trouble, brlcad, I am just annoyed at the hostility without reason. |
| 20:30.37 | CBG | And what do the mofo boards have the hell to do with bzflag? |
| 20:30.39 | L4m3r | well, this isn't the place |
| 20:30.56 | CBG | L4m3r: huh? |
| 20:31.15 | brlcad | CBG: from my perspective, I don't care about your agenda (or whether you even have one or not, re bzbb) -- I care about the approach and responses made in here (and on bzbb if/when someone says to drop an issue) |
| 20:31.24 | JeffM | indeed, maybe I was wrong for stating my personal option that you were anoying with it and asking for more info. |
| 20:31.59 | JeffM | back to phpbb3, if ldap is a good distributed method, then going to phpbb3 may provide a clean path |
| 20:32.09 | JeffM | IIRC that's what blast007 was working on/tward. |
| 20:32.09 | L4m3r | definitely |
| 20:32.25 | brlcad | yeah, and what's his name tested it out on all our web tools |
| 20:32.29 | Epyon | Have you ever considered SMF instead of phpbb? |
| 20:32.31 | brlcad | it seemed to work across the board |
| 20:32.34 | brlcad | read-only, though |
| 20:32.35 | L4m3r | I'll have to set up a test rig of phpBB3 so we can play with it |
| 20:32.39 | L4m3r | Epyon: ... |
| 20:32.48 | a_meteorite | Epyon: read up |
| 20:32.50 | brlcad | whether drupal could do read/write was the last question that he never got back to us on |
| 20:32.52 | eTangenT | Epyon: I suggested it before. |
| 20:33.03 | L4m3r | brlcad: read-only is fine for the forums |
| 20:33.06 | CBG | Anyway, what I was saying that, integrating phpBB into a different forum system, or making it independant - in or out of game - could be a good move, so as it is not tied down to phpBB which can be insecure. |
| 20:33.09 | JeffM | Epyon, ys L4m3r did evalute it |
| 20:33.12 | Epyon | Sorry, I just rejoined :/ |
| 20:33.23 | CBG | How would reading up help Epyon at all? |
| 20:33.24 | JeffM | Epyon, what does it do that phpbb dosn't in your opinion? |
| 20:33.31 | CBG | I didn't say anything about SMF above.. |
| 20:33.45 | brlcad | CBG: there's already been a LONG term goal of getting away from phpbb entirely for in-game auth/group issues |
| 20:33.54 | Epyon | Well I have realy good experiences with SMF and realy bad ones with phpbb |
| 20:33.54 | DTRemenak | CBG: <L4m3r> SMF isn't an option, CBG |
| 20:34.05 | brlcad | long planned, and work has progressed -- just needs devmanship |
| 20:34.06 | JeffM | Epyon, like what specificly? |
| 20:34.07 | CBG | DTRemenak: that is L4m3r speaking. NOT ME. Please READ. |
| 20:34.19 | DTRemenak | you asked how reading up would help him |
| 20:34.24 | Epyon | Mainly speed and performance |
| 20:34.24 | DTRemenak | reading that line would have helped him |
| 20:34.25 | CBG | brlcad: right, so why all the damn fuss about my "idea" which is already an idea. |
| 20:34.31 | Epyon | And ease of modding. |
| 20:34.31 | DTRemenak | not everything is about YOU, CBG |
| 20:34.39 | L4m3r | bzbb is not large enough for speed to be an issue |
| 20:34.41 | JeffM | how modular is it? |
| 20:34.43 | CBG | DTRemenak: |
| 20:34.51 | Epyon | But that may be my personal bias. |
| 20:34.52 | JeffM | and can it use external auth systems for uses? |
| 20:34.58 | L4m3r | SMF scares the crap out of me, frankly |
| 20:35.15 | CBG | Sorry, you said that right after I said "I didn't mention SMF"... |
| 20:35.24 | JonathanD | I think we should use notepad. |
| 20:35.24 | Epyon | JeffM, no idea never used such things. But the amount of mods and ease of installation is brilliant. |
| 20:35.25 | L4m3r | I found the "template" editor in the ACP, saw how it let you edit the PHP files on the server, and said "Oh HELL no" |
| 20:35.39 | brlcad | CBG: the fuss isn't so much your idea as the way you come across, telling people what they need to do for example (e.g. "Please READ." is incredibly annoying and hostile, no matter who the recipient is) |
| 20:35.45 | JeffM | how well does it upgrade once moded? |
| 20:35.58 | JeffM | L4m3r, that does not sound exactly secure :) |
| 20:36.03 | Epyon | Quite well. |
| 20:36.18 | L4m3r | yeah, that's why I poo-pooed it and bought a vBulletin license :) |
| 20:36.18 | Epyon | I had no problems with it -- most upgrades are transparent. |
| 20:36.24 | JeffM | L4m3r, that can probably be disabled |
| 20:36.30 | L4m3r | probably |
| 20:36.31 | CBG | brlcad: I apologised for that, it was a misunderstanding and I am still annoyed at the hostility. |
| 20:36.35 | JeffM | our phpbb upgrades/installs have gone decently cleanly |
| 20:36.58 | L4m3r | if stock phpBB3 can use LDAP, do we even need to mod it? |
| 20:37.10 | JeffM | probably not for users |
| 20:37.11 | brlcad | the bulletin board won't solve the bigger issues -- phpbb works just fine as a bb with respect to posting content as would a half dozen others |
| 20:37.16 | JeffM | but there are other mods in use |
| 20:37.29 | JeffM | yeah the user management is the biger thing |
| 20:37.34 | JeffM | and distroed list server |
| 20:37.57 | L4m3r | yeah, the BB isn't a big deal at all |
| 20:38.04 | L4m3r | it's the fact that we're using it for other junk |
| 20:38.05 | brlcad | getting someone to work on bzauthd and migration to ldap for directory services is where there needs to be effort, the chatter surrounding is superfluous unless folks are going to contribute :) |
| 20:38.24 | L4m3r | blast007: ping |
| 20:38.48 | JeffM | I think blast will work on it when phpbb3 goes gold |
| 20:39.05 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 20:39.17 | L4m3r | as a note, he doesn't get DSL at work until tuesday, he said |
| 20:39.19 | Epyon | Anyway, I will not fight for it, yet I know I'll always use SMF for my own projects. |
| 20:39.23 | a_meteorite | JeffM: RC's have fully support from the phpBB team :) |
| 20:39.27 | JeffM | longdon also had an itrest |
| 20:39.35 | eTangenT | Epyon: I agree. SMF is far superior to phpBB, in my opinion. |
| 20:39.37 | a_meteorite | in reference to going gold |
| 20:39.39 | JeffM | a_meteorite, that may be, but there is no rush, and why use beta code? |
| 20:39.46 | eTangenT | Though I do have respect for phpBB, it's not a bad bb at all. |
| 20:39.58 | Epyon | eTangenT, yay, at least one that understands :D |
| 20:40.01 | eTangenT | I much prefer SMF, though. I've been with SMF since the beginning. |
| 20:40.06 | eTangenT | I used to use YabbSE |
| 20:40.24 | JeffM | what are it's big draws to you eTangenT ? |
| 20:40.34 | Epyon | It's much cleaner IMHO, both interface, code, and administration wise. |
| 20:40.45 | JeffM | specifics please |
| 20:40.50 | brlcad | has anyone actually tested it integrated with ldap? |
| 20:40.53 | eTangenT | JeffM, I much prefer the SMF admin panel over phpBB |
| 20:41.03 | eTangenT | it's similar to IPB now, but cleaner |
| 20:41.04 | brlcad | if it integrates, then it could be considered, if not then it's probably a non-starter |
| 20:41.06 | JeffM | eTangenT, in just layout? or features? |
| 20:41.12 | eTangenT | both |
| 20:41.18 | Epyon | I'm not a big php coder JeffM, so it's hard to give specifics. |
| 20:41.18 | JeffM | what features? |
| 20:41.19 | eTangenT | The layout makes it easy to find what you need. |
| 20:41.21 | DTRemenak | phpbb's admin interface is pretty lacking (in both respects) |
| 20:41.33 | JeffM | Epyon, specifics in use are what I'm looking for |
| 20:41.34 | eTangenT | DTRemenak: I've noticed. Used phpBB before, also. |
| 20:41.36 | DTRemenak | I end up doing quite a bit from the database :) |
| 20:41.39 | a_meteorite | phpBB3's is a big improvement, DTRemenak |
| 20:41.48 | JeffM | yeah more reports, searches, that's a specific |
| 20:41.54 | brlcad | phpbb lacks in many respects, but it's also pretty featureful and popular (i.e. it has the development momentum) |
| 20:41.58 | JeffM | those are the things I'm looing for |
| 20:41.58 | Epyon | JeffM, it's been realy long since I administrated a phpBB forum :P |
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| 20:42.08 | JeffM | not just"phpbb sucks, I like smf better" |
| 20:42.27 | brlcad | and not just "smf is good, i've used it" :) |
| 20:42.28 | JeffM | I'd like to know what features people key in on smf |
| 20:42.30 | eTangenT | brlcad: Exactly. There's lots for phpBB. SMF doesn't have the mod options of phpBB yet, because not as many people are contributing yet. phpBB has been around much longer, and has more fans who really want to help. |
| 20:42.44 | eTangenT | However, the community is expanding quick. |
| 20:42.57 | eTangenT | I know the mod writers would be happy to help with anything you need. |
| 20:43.06 | eTangenT | <-- former SMF design staff |
| 20:43.22 | JeffM | is it modular enough that if say the user auth is moded, it won't jack up future upgrades? |
| 20:43.45 | eTangenT | JeffM: Should be. |
| 20:43.49 | JeffM | that's one thing the phpbb3 idea has going for it, native use of ldap means we can pgrade that with 0 mods |
| 20:44.19 | eTangenT | For upgrades, you might have to uninstall the mod before upgrade, then reinstall after. |
| 20:44.26 | eTangenT | But it's real quick |
| 20:44.55 | eTangenT | Most mods don't even need that. |
| 20:45.08 | eTangenT | Just get the upgrade mod and run it, and you're set. |
| 20:45.51 | eTangenT | JeffM, if you'd like, there's a channel for chatting on VillageIRC |
| 20:46.00 | donny_baker | SMF has an LDAP mod, but it only shows it is for version 1.05 |
| 20:47.04 | eTangenT | Alright guys, I gotta get going. Talk to you later. |
| 20:47.19 | eTangenT | JeffM: If you want to use SMF, great! It's a great BB. |
| 20:47.34 | brlcad | someone would need to actually test it, see how much of a bear it is to work with (ldap-wise) and whether it even works |
| 20:47.38 | eTangenT | But it's not my board to run, so you do what you think will work best. |
| 20:48.00 | brlcad | if nobody is going to do that much work, we'd likely stick with what is known just from a maintenance perspective |
| 20:48.07 | JeffM | I don't want to use anything |
| 20:48.14 | JeffM | I wanted facts to back up the statements |
| 20:49.05 | L4m3r | in my eyes, for something basic like bzbb, something that does what we want without modification is a better option |
| 20:49.16 | JeffM | IIRC blast was testing the ldap of phpbb3, he was having issues seting up n ldap server |
| 20:49.25 | JeffM | I don't know if longdon helped him with that |
| 20:49.39 | L4m3r | we'll have to see |
| 20:49.53 | JeffM | indeed |
| 20:49.55 | L4m3r | honestly SMF didn't have anything really compelling to me |
| 20:50.08 | L4m3r | aside from the fact that it wasn't phpBB... for security |
| 20:50.09 | JeffM | did it have any beter reporting or admin searching |
| 20:50.18 | JeffM | could you find users by e-mail? |
| 20:50.20 | L4m3r | but that kinda got blown away because of other issues |
| 20:50.26 | L4m3r | I didn't look |
| 20:50.27 | brlcad | drupal also has bb components that could make phpbb disappear |
| 20:50.28 | JeffM | or do any sort of mass changes to users/groups/etc..? |
| 20:50.44 | L4m3r | the ACP is funky, it's not really separate from the main forum |
| 20:51.27 | eTangenT | L4m3r: I like the ACP being part of the forum. |
| 20:51.32 | eTangenT | Anyways, for real |
| 20:51.33 | JeffM | I could see compeling admin features that allowed better mass changes to be a reason to move |
| 20:51.34 | eTangenT | Layer |
| 20:51.36 | eTangenT | er |
| 20:51.38 | eTangenT | Later, guys. |
| 20:51.55 | JeffM | but if that all goes ldap, then there is probably tools to manage the ldap users |
| 20:52.31 | JeffM | brlcad's push for drupal with no code can also be anoying :) |
| 20:53.52 | brlcad | yup |
| 20:54.23 | brlcad | though I *have* put a lot of effort into it and researching it's uses ;) |
| 20:54.40 | brlcad | one of the few that can do auth integration with just about anything we set up |
| 20:54.47 | JeffM | just say it's with loging :) |
| 20:54.48 | brlcad | full vertical integration |
| 20:54.54 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:55.04 | Winny | brb, have to explain to my mom that aol is not the internet |
| 20:55.57 | JeffM | sure it is |
| 20:56.35 | Winny | no, she thinks aol "owns" the internetr |
| 20:56.46 | brlcad | they don't? |
| 20:57.10 | JeffM | I own the internet |
| 20:57.21 | Winny | oh, you know what I mean :p |
| 20:57.35 | a_meteorite | I own a couple computers on the internet! OMG! |
| 20:57.37 | JeffM | they probably own her access to the internet |
| 20:57.53 | JeffM | a_meteorite, your god had nothing to do with the internet |
| 20:57.57 | QuantumBeep | Well, when you install AOL, they most certainly own your computer |
| 20:58.01 | a_meteorite | JeffM: heh |
| 20:58.49 | Winny | well, she still has an AOL account for some reason, and is wondering if "[our ISP] pays AOL to access the internet |
| 20:59.02 | a_meteorite | ... |
| 20:59.24 | QuantumBeep | That's so wonderful, I think I would just leave her with that delusion. |
| 20:59.25 | JonathanD | how do I hunt? |
| 20:59.47 | QuantumBeep | tanks or lame IRC users? |
| 20:59.59 | Winny | QuantumBeep, good idea :D |
| 21:00.06 | DTRemenak | JonathanD: U |
| 21:00.21 | DTRemenak | or 7 for multihunt |
| 21:01.19 | L4m3r | hunting is so awesome. |
| 21:01.41 | JonathanD | thanks |
| 21:01.44 | L4m3r | no amount of admin abuse can piss someone off as much as hunting them into oblivion |
| 21:02.09 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:05.09 | DTRemenak | woot, down to 50 errors |
| 21:05.56 | a_meteorite | sounds like fun |
| 21:06.21 | JeffM | isn't that what refactoring is all about? |
| 21:06.33 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 21:06.44 | JonathanD | wow, I didn't know there was a multihunt |
| 21:06.55 | DTRemenak | this time I cleaned up after the last couple times I should have rewritten chunks, but hacked stuff on instead, too |
| 21:09.32 | TD-Linux | ooh |
| 21:09.55 | tannerld | lol |
| 21:09.57 | TD-Linux | what are you trying to do to HUDui? |
| 21:11.15 | Winny | how has a post about a "list of ranks" gone for more then 1 page? |
| 21:11.19 | Winny | bleh. |
| 21:11.54 | TD-Linux | I'm never on the forums anymore, maybe I should go take a peek. |
| 21:12.05 | DTRemenak | bunch of stuff. primarily, navigation will be done at the dialog level, and controlled by an automatic queue, not at the control level with the silly double-linked-list we have now. that lets me get rid of the separate element and control lists also, and means we can do things like skip controls, nest controls, navigate out of order, do true scrolling lists, etc. |
| 21:12.42 | DTRemenak | course I only had to do that 'cause I wanted a nestable auto-resize control |
| 21:12.46 | TD-Linux | scrolling lists! |
| 21:12.51 | DTRemenak | which I haven't gotten around to writing yet :) |
| 21:13.06 | TD-Linux | now if we add mouse navigation, we can enter the 21st century! |
| 21:13.30 | TD-Linux | I want it for menus |
| 21:13.34 | TD-Linux | I guess not for the HUD |
| 21:13.42 | DTRemenak | menus are HUDui items |
| 21:13.49 | TD-Linux | yeah |
| 21:13.56 | TD-Linux | I looked at that code a long time ago |
| 21:14.04 | TD-Linux | it was very interesting to add menu items |
| 21:14.45 | DTRemenak | should be easier now, you won't have to bump numbers for navigation. still will have to adjust resize positioning |
| 21:15.00 | TD-Linux | it's not like the mouse can be used for anything else when in a menu, anyway |
| 21:15.11 | DTRemenak | sure it can, you can drive around |
| 21:15.14 | JeffM | then get rid of the cursor :) |
| 21:15.17 | DTRemenak | dodge bullets while changing options |
| 21:15.26 | DTRemenak | gettin' there JeffM :) |
| 21:15.30 | JeffM | or draw it behind the menu, since it's a game UI input indicator :) |
| 21:15.57 | TD-Linux | I'm not that talented to do both at once :P |
| 21:16.11 | JonathanD | no big deal, make one of the options "automatically dodge bullets while manipulating menu" |
| 21:16.24 | TD-Linux | :P |
| 21:16.41 | DTRemenak | we could do that :) |
| 21:16.47 | TD-Linux | how about "automatically pause while manipulating menu" ? |
| 21:16.50 | JonathanD | and nest it 40 levels deep |
| 21:16.51 | DTRemenak | have autopilot take over in the menus |
| 21:17.07 | DTRemenak | pause takes time |
| 21:17.08 | JonathanD | DTRemenak: only if you turn it on |
| 21:17.24 | brlcad | that would be a good thing, the cursor is misleading |
| 21:17.49 | DTRemenak | brlcad: yeah, I had a plan for that. I think JeffM had some code for it too even |
| 21:18.00 | DTRemenak | somewhere in playground |
| 21:18.32 | TD-Linux | haha I like the "Happy Birthday 2.0.8" thread :P |
| 21:18.48 | JeffM | I had no clode |
| 21:18.50 | JeffM | just a design |
| 21:19.05 | JeffM | 3 bars in a "U" shape |
| 21:19.26 | JeffM | with marks for current input speed in that axis, and a bar that fills for current real speed in that axis |
| 21:19.44 | JeffM | and marks for the dead zone |
| 21:19.55 | JeffM | then the "inner box" can be made into a real target sight |
| 21:20.01 | JeffM | for aiming |
| 21:20.26 | JeffM | I can draw it for you if you want |
| 21:21.00 | DTRemenak | naw, I'm fine. won't be getting to that for a while anyway |
| 21:21.11 | JeffM | k |
| 21:21.23 | JonathanD | what I would like above all things, is for a mouse movement mode where rate of turn was controlled by rate o mouse movement. |
| 21:22.15 | DTRemenak | JonathanD: patches welcome? :) |
| 21:22.22 | JonathanD | DTRemenak: yeah, sure, ok :P |
| 21:22.33 | JonathanD | DTRemenak: if I could, I would have done it already. |
| 21:22.39 | DTRemenak | you can |
| 21:22.41 | DTRemenak | use the source |
| 21:22.48 | JonathanD | mmhmmm |
| 21:22.49 | JonathanD | I can't :p |
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| 21:23.40 | JonathanD | DTRemenak: well, possibly I could, given enough time and a pointer in the right direction, but even then, I assure you it wouldn't be in any form usable for general use. |
| 21:23.50 | JonathanD | IE: I would just "fix it" my way. |
| 21:24.17 | DTRemenak | input handling is pretty labrynthine anyway |
| 21:24.29 | JonathanD | i figured as much |
| 21:24.34 | JonathanD | this is why I haven't even tried. |
| 21:25.13 | DTRemenak | use a joystick :) |
| 21:25.26 | JonathanD | I find them hard to fit in a laptop bag, DTRemenak |
| 21:25.35 | JeffM | gamepad |
| 21:25.36 | JonathanD | even then, the translations are not nearly as fast. |
| 21:25.44 | JonathanD | same problem. sort of. |
| 21:25.53 | JonathanD | I play on my laptop, on the trackpoint |
| 21:26.02 | DTRemenak | ahh |
| 21:26.07 | JonathanD | which means I can go from 100% forward to 100% reverse with minimal movement |
| 21:26.22 | JonathanD | but driving in a straight line for any length of time is tedious, at best. |
| 21:26.33 | JonathanD | which is why you'll always see me waving back and forth or circling. |
| 21:26.51 | DTRemenak | there should be a "relative motion mode" in the drivers for it somewhere, iirc |
| 21:27.07 | JonathanD | the mouse drivers? |
| 21:27.10 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 21:28.03 | JonathanD | that makes no sense at all :p |
| 21:28.03 | JonathanD | in such a case, the mouse pointer would always run back to center |
| 21:28.03 | DTRemenak | yeah, exactly |
| 21:28.04 | JonathanD | fairly certain the driver has no such option |
| 21:28.05 | DTRemenak | basically makes it act more like a touchpad |
| 21:28.16 | JonathanD | that wouldn't be much like a touchpad... |
| 21:28.51 | JonathanD | touchpad stays put, when you release |
| 21:29.02 | DTRemenak | yeah, you have to hold it down while clicking |
| 21:29.09 | DTRemenak | friend of mine had his laptop set up like that |
| 21:29.12 | DTRemenak | annoying as heck |
| 21:29.35 | JonathanD | and the pointer bounces back to center after? |
| 21:29.40 | JonathanD | you know what I'm after, aye? |
| 21:29.45 | DTRemenak | yeah, release the thing, it goes back to center |
| 21:29.47 | JonathanD | something akin to first person shooter mouse controls? |
| 21:29.53 | JonathanD | DTRemenak: I would shoot myself |
| 21:29.58 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 21:30.48 | JonathanD | and no, no such option. |
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| 21:53.20 | Benfish | what permission needs to go in my groups file to allow players to run the /lagstats command?:) |
| 21:53.56 | Benfish | i cannot find it in the wiki |
| 21:55.00 | DTRemenak | lagstats |
| 21:55.24 | Benfish | thank you |
| 21:55.33 | DTRemenak | real hard one to guess, too ;) |
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| 21:55.48 | Benfish | yeah, just wanted to be -sure- :) |
| 21:56.02 | DTRemenak | it's granted to everyone by default |
| 21:56.05 | JonathanD | lol |
| 21:56.17 | Benfish | hmmm o.o |
| 21:56.37 | Benfish | ok.. but no one can do it? |
| 21:57.00 | DTRemenak | perhaps you have redefined everyone? :) |
| 21:57.20 | Benfish | good point |
| 21:58.25 | Winny | Is there a command to play the latest replay? |
| 21:58.31 | Winny | err, recording |
| 21:58.42 | Winny | a server had over 100, and BZFS isn't listing them |
| 22:02.08 | DTRemenak | no |
| 22:03.09 | Winny | :\ |
| 22:06.16 | tannerld | lol |
| 22:11.34 | catay | maybe giving up a pattern can help you to find the one you look |
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