| 00:00.05 | Constitution | heh |
| 00:00.16 | Winny | heh? |
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| 00:15.38 | Macrosoft | hello? |
| 00:15.52 | Macrosoft | ... |
| 00:15.54 | Macrosoft | ? |
| 00:16.09 | Macrosoft | can anyone hear me now? |
| 00:16.29 | CBG | nope |
| 00:16.35 | CBG | Can you type louder? |
| 00:16.37 | blast007 | what? type louder |
| 00:16.38 | blast007 | heh |
| 00:16.44 | CBG | ~lart blast007 |
| 00:16.44 | ibot | beats blast007 senseless with a 50lb Unix manual |
| 00:17.09 | Macrosoft | oh, good, kopete crashed and logged me in several times, couldnt talk at all |
| 00:17.20 | Macrosoft | i guess its working now |
| 00:17.41 | CBG | What happened to that Macrosoft guy? |
| 00:17.55 | Macrosoft | the _alternate ? |
| 00:18.39 | blast007 | CBG: not sure, haven't seen him in a while |
| 00:18.51 | Macrosoft | kopete logged me in as Macrosoft_alternate earlier |
| 00:19.05 | CBG | Odd, he kinda just vanished... |
| 00:19.25 | blast007 | yeah |
| 00:19.40 | Macrosoft | ...go forum yourselves |
| 00:19.43 | Tedius | Nope, I don't hear anything from him either |
| 00:20.04 | Macrosoft | WRT54G be damned |
| 00:20.30 | Macrosoft | i think im going to return it to get my money back, it sucks |
| 00:20.50 | blast007 | told ya |
| 00:21.03 | Macrosoft | what should i get |
| 00:21.06 | Macrosoft | instead |
| 00:21.13 | CBG | Oh well... He may show up again soon. |
| 00:22.50 | eTangenT | ~lart blast007 |
| 00:22.50 | ibot | raises middle finger to blast007 |
| 00:24.43 | Tedius | I need some help with a bz related conundrum |
| 00:24.55 | Deepa | blast007: Careful, The bots are starting a uprising! |
| 00:25.12 | Tedius | I have an angular physics driver running on tedius.dyndns.org:5171 |
| 00:25.37 | Tedius | sometimes when I join it causes my tank to spin uncontrollably |
| 00:25.54 | Tedius | especially when I turn of the chat window |
| 00:26.19 | Tedius | but I can gain control again if I hit escape to dim the screen |
| 00:26.58 | Tedius | Why would the amount of dim in the HUD change the amount of tank angular velocity? |
| 00:29.29 | Tedius | no one? |
| 00:29.58 | Tedius | Its as if when I increase my lag, my tank becomes easier to control |
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| 00:32.01 | Tedius | I guess I'll ask again later |
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| 00:36.40 | Jefenry | ~bzfquery 192.168.1.47:5154 |
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| 00:40.11 | Constitution | Jefenry: that's a local address... ibot will not be able to connect to that |
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| 00:40.39 | Jefenry | hmm, ok |
| 00:40.53 | Constitution | er, an internal address rather |
| 00:40.56 | Constitution | on your local network |
| 00:46.33 | JeffM | Tedius, proably just bugs in physics code |
| 00:46.46 | JeffM | applying an update with a min delta T |
| 00:47.24 | Tedius | ok, is there any way around it? |
| 00:47.43 | Tedius | I'm pretty sure the problem is linked with the amount of the screen that is dimmed |
| 00:48.38 | JeffM | it's probably linked to your frame rate |
| 00:48.44 | JeffM | how many FPS you running? |
| 00:48.49 | JeffM | someting super high? |
| 00:49.24 | Tedius | I just turned energy saver on and it seems to work |
| 00:49.29 | JeffM | :) |
| 00:49.35 | Tedius | (how do I tell my fps?) |
| 00:49.42 | JeffM | t |
| 00:50.35 | Tedius | ooh, never knew that, thanks |
| 00:51.06 | Tedius | frame rate 150, 190, 162... |
| 00:51.25 | Tedius | makes me spin |
| 00:51.38 | Macrosoft | i was searching online, and i found that overheating is a common problem on the WGR614 |
| 00:52.18 | Tedius | fps under 30 is fine |
| 00:53.09 | blast007 | you probably want to shoot for 30 to 60 |
| 00:53.10 | JeffM | sounds like the vector is added per frame |
| 00:53.23 | JeffM | not per second |
| 00:53.26 | JeffM | what is your angular vec? |
| 00:53.55 | blast007 | oh wait, nvm, didn't read about the spinning uncontrollably part ;) |
| 00:53.58 | Tedius | .005 I think |
| 00:54.12 | JeffM | seems small |
| 00:54.22 | Tedius | thats the physics driver |
| 00:54.27 | JeffM | I know |
| 00:55.09 | JeffM | have to check the code, but I'll bet its' doing it per frame |
| 00:56.26 | Tedius | er, .05 |
| 00:56.44 | JeffM | still if that was per second, that'd be nothing |
| 00:57.09 | JeffM | at 30 fps how long does it take you to do one revolution? |
| 00:57.58 | Tedius | starting now |
| 00:58.04 | Tedius | too.... |
| 00:58.18 | Tedius | now |
| 00:58.41 | JeffM | so like 4-5 seconds? |
| 00:59.01 | Tedius | about 15 seconds per revolution |
| 00:59.17 | JeffM | then it's not per frame, it may just have a min limit |
| 01:00.09 | Tedius | but its not the revolutions that are the problem |
| 01:00.17 | Tedius | its the spinning of the tank itself |
| 01:00.28 | JeffM | does it keep spning you faster and faster as your FPS increases? |
| 01:00.43 | Tedius | its hard to tell |
| 01:01.01 | JeffM | increase your FPS limit in stages |
| 01:01.05 | Tedius | once you get spinning its impossible to know what is going on |
| 01:01.24 | Tedius | right, the more that is dimmed, the more control I have |
| 01:01.26 | JeffM | there are many bugs related to FPS |
| 01:01.35 | JeffM | dimming slows down many cards |
| 01:02.02 | Tedius | I turn off chat and I spin, I turn it back on, it returns to normal |
| 01:02.11 | Tedius | when I hit escape it returns sooner |
| 01:02.19 | JeffM | chat makes cards draw faster |
| 01:02.25 | JeffM | text in the menu makes it draw slower |
| 01:02.26 | JeffM | sorry |
| 01:02.29 | JeffM | chat makes it draw slower |
| 01:02.37 | JeffM | it's all tied to your frame rate |
| 01:02.41 | Tedius | yep |
| 01:02.46 | JeffM | your just changing things that change your rate |
| 01:02.54 | JeffM | there are many bugs with frame rate |
| 01:05.03 | Tedius | there isn't a way to limit the frame rate of the clients that connect to my server, is there? |
| 01:05.09 | JeffM | nope |
| 01:05.23 | JeffM | rotary phydrivs are not used often |
| 01:07.02 | Tedius | perhaps if I draw a lot of polygons, that will help? |
| 01:07.56 | Tedius | I'll put the Borg Cube above the main playing area |
| 01:09.15 | JeffM | probably not |
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| 02:36.32 | Macrosoft | ... |
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| 02:57.27 | eTangenT | wonder when Macrosoft will be coming back |
| 02:57.31 | eTangenT | starting to miss the guy |
| 02:58.30 | Macrosoft | hes here, hes just busy trying to figure out how to make a WRT54G not suck |
| 02:59.06 | Winny | update the firmware, thats what I had to do to mine |
| 02:59.14 | eTangenT | :P |
| 02:59.14 | Winny | works like a charm now :) |
| 02:59.16 | eTangenT | sup Macro |
| 03:04.39 | Macrosoft | ive already got the latest firmware |
| 03:05.03 | blast007 | Macrosoft: I had said the new ones wouldn't be all that great |
| 03:05.08 | blast007 | since they have VxWorks |
| 03:05.27 | Macrosoft | well, i cant find a GL in my area |
| 03:05.31 | blast007 | what revision is it? should say on the bottom |
| 03:05.37 | Macrosoft | v8 |
| 03:05.43 | blast007 | k |
| 03:06.01 | Macrosoft | its not tested for openwrt yet |
| 03:06.20 | Macrosoft | and im not using it as a sacrifice to try it either |
| 03:06.36 | blast007 | has a faster CPU than the others though |
| 03:06.41 | Macrosoft | "lamb to the slaughter" |
| 03:06.50 | blast007 | yeah, I wouldn't try it either |
| 03:06.58 | Macrosoft | you sure, it seems slower |
| 03:07.09 | Macrosoft | it takes longer to load pages now |
| 03:07.12 | blast007 | well, a faster CPU than the other WRT54Gs :P |
| 03:07.23 | Macrosoft | very noticably slower |
| 03:08.01 | Macrosoft | is it faster than a WGR614 |
| 03:08.02 | Macrosoft | ? |
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| 03:08.19 | blast007 | 240MHz |
| 03:08.46 | blast007 | WGR614 has a 180MHz |
| 03:08.54 | blast007 | but more RAM/flash |
| 03:09.05 | Macrosoft | is the WRT54GS compatible with openwrt |
| 03:09.22 | Macrosoft | (thats the speed booster model) |
| 03:09.49 | blast007 | again, you need to read |
| 03:09.54 | blast007 | the newer ones are a WiP |
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| 03:10.13 | blast007 | they only have 2MB flash |
| 03:10.41 | eTangenT | yo Jeff |
| 03:10.46 | Macrosoft | those losers at netgear and linux keep cutting back on ram and flash to save on prices (they insist on continuing to suck) |
| 03:10.55 | blast007 | the older ones actually have 8MB though, if you can find one on ebay |
| 03:11.03 | blast007 | and 32MB of RAM |
| 03:12.04 | Macrosoft | i found out about an altermative to openwrt called openwgt, its for netgear |
| 03:12.21 | Macrosoft | but not my specific model |
| 03:12.46 | JeffM | hi |
| 03:13.25 | Macrosoft | hey |
| 03:13.59 | Macrosoft | make up your mind willcox |
| 03:15.36 | awilcox | Hmm? |
| 03:15.49 | awilcox | I am definitely not a girl, Macrosoft, I've never had to make up my mind on that one. |
| 03:16.08 | Macrosoft | then pick a name and keep it |
| 03:16.16 | awilcox | Mmkay. |
| 03:20.14 | Macrosoft | :( |
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| 03:27.52 | Macrosoft | hola |
| 03:28.08 | Constitution | hi |
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| 03:33.49 | Macrosoft | looking at wikipedia, it looks like the best choice for openwrt would be the wrtsl54gs |
| 03:34.44 | Macrosoft | has: 266 MHz cpu, 32 MB ram, 8 MB flash |
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| 03:44.41 | a_meteorite | Macrosoft: just get the GL |
| 03:44.41 | a_meteorite | it runs linux, so no resource problems.. |
| 03:44.41 | a_meteorite | (vxworks can run on lesser amounts of cpu/ram/flash) |
| 03:44.46 | Macrosoft | but the sl has the most ram, flash, etc. |
| 03:44.55 | a_meteorite | that doesn't mean it'll work |
| 03:45.12 | a_meteorite | unless openwrt says it has support for that model and revision, I wouldn't get it |
| 03:45.21 | Macrosoft | its on the supported list at openwrt's site |
| 03:45.32 | a_meteorite | then, yeah, go for it... |
| 03:45.49 | Macrosoft | i see one for $99 on newegg |
| 03:45.56 | a_meteorite | pricey |
| 03:46.05 | Macrosoft | but worth it |
| 03:46.19 | a_meteorite | or you could just get an old pentium, put two NICs in it, and get a switch |
| 03:46.35 | a_meteorite | could probably find a pentium for free, the others are trvial.. |
| 03:46.38 | a_meteorite | *trivial |
| 03:46.44 | a_meteorite | but that's only if you like DIY |
| 03:47.47 | Macrosoft | i have a P3 thats not in use |
| 03:47.47 | a_meteorite | that works, at more heat and electricity, but works :) |
| 03:47.48 | Macrosoft | but its in a micro atx case |
| 03:47.48 | Macrosoft | normal pci cards dont fit |
| 03:47.58 | a_meteorite | most NICs that you buy have a smaller PCI plate included |
| 03:48.12 | Macrosoft | last time i put a NIC in it, i had to "modify" the faceplate myself |
| 03:48.33 | a_meteorite | doable, but many have it included :) |
| 03:48.48 | Macrosoft | it was a linksys NIC |
| 03:49.43 | Macrosoft | to be more specific it was a wireless G card |
| 03:49.46 | a_meteorite | unless you're into super-über high performance... you really don't need name brand NICs (the only case you might is if your CPU isn't powerful enough to route a gigabit port, and want to offload most processing to the NIC) |
| 03:50.19 | a_meteorite | or if you need a name brand for driver support in linux |
| 03:54.30 | Macrosoft | i wish this wrt54g would let me reserve IP's like my netgear does |
| 03:55.33 | Macrosoft | i think im going to keep my netgear, just to use it for DHCP |
| 03:55.40 | blast007 | Macrosoft: it should |
| 03:55.52 | blast007 | does it let you specify the starting IP and how many DHCP clients to support? |
| 03:56.00 | Macrosoft | yes |
| 03:56.08 | blast007 | then, do that |
| 03:56.22 | blast007 | you can make it only use, for instance, 10 IPs for DHCP |
| 03:56.24 | Macrosoft | but it doesnt let me reserve an IP for a certain MAC address |
| 03:56.29 | blast007 | oh |
| 03:56.54 | Macrosoft | thats what i liked about the netgear |
| 03:56.57 | blast007 | are those for desktop PCs? or systems that are always located in the house? |
| 03:57.08 | blast007 | if so, just use static IPs on the systems |
| 03:57.37 | Macrosoft | its easier just to reserve addresses |
| 03:58.20 | Macrosoft | im going to disable DHCP on the linksys, and connect the netgear to a lan port to let it handle the DHCP |
| 03:58.44 | Macrosoft | that way i can still have it reserve IPs for me |
| 03:58.56 | blast007 | why not just use the netgear for your router then? |
| 03:59.13 | blast007 | you said it was on it's last leg, so why would you purchase a router and keep it, when it doesn't suit your needs |
| 03:59.24 | blast007 | you're still relying on the netgear |
| 03:59.40 | Macrosoft | because it would overheat, its a common problem for that model, it cant handle the traffic |
| 04:00.25 | Macrosoft | im only going to use the netgear for DHCP, the linksys will handle internet traffic |
| 04:01.24 | blast007 | go find an old PII system, install linux, two NICs, run a DHCP server on that |
| 04:02.15 | Macrosoft | why all that work just for DHCP, or did you mean for me to use it for a gateway too |
| 04:03.40 | blast007 | use it for the router, firewall, and everything |
| 04:03.50 | blast007 | could run a time server, web cache, etc |
| 04:04.11 | Macrosoft | instead of looking for a P2, i can just use the unused P3 i have sitting around (all it needs is a hard drive) |
| 04:04.29 | blast007 | sure |
| 04:05.05 | Macrosoft | i would need another hard drive because i took its out to add to this computer |
| 04:08.53 | blast007 | some firewall systems: IPCop, SmoothWall, Firestarter |
| 04:09.45 | Macrosoft | those are distros for making routers? |
| 04:09.47 | The_Vaxorcist | iptables anyone? |
| 04:10.34 | blast007 | The_Vaxorcist: yeah yeah :P :) |
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| 04:20.12 | Macrosoft | cool, with shipping added, the total for a wrtsl54gs is about $105\ |
| 04:20.55 | eTangenT | I made a router out of a computer with SuSE 10.1 on it |
| 04:20.57 | eTangenT | :| |
| 04:21.08 | eTangenT | I had no use for such a thing, so I shut it off |
| 04:21.11 | eTangenT | but it worked |
| 04:22.58 | Constitution | did anyone look into davemicc's patch earlier today? it seemed to fix the make install problem for me |
| 04:23.00 | Constitution | https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1732265&group_id=3248&atid=103248 |
| 04:24.55 | Macrosoft | would dd-wrt work on a v8 linksys 54g |
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| 04:28.27 | blast007 | ask dd-wrt |
| 04:29.16 | Macrosoft | im looking for a compat page, cant find one |
| 04:29.58 | blast007 | just a note, but installing a non-Linksys fireware will void your warranty |
| 04:31.07 | Macrosoft | i know, but i might be able to return it to radio shack |
| 04:31.18 | Macrosoft | if i screw it up |
| 04:31.33 | Macrosoft | (which there is a high chance of) |
| 04:32.00 | blast007 | I don't think ANY of them will support v8 |
| 04:32.04 | blast007 | it's rather recent |
| 04:32.15 | blast007 | DD-WRT does not support it |
| 04:33.42 | Macrosoft | it supports v5 |
| 04:34.03 | Macrosoft | v5 runs vxworks too |
| 04:35.54 | blast007 | my pentium 133 can run Windows 95... doesn't mean my Core 2 Duo can |
| 04:36.18 | blast007 | but it's your router, your money, have fun |
| 04:38.42 | Macrosoft | i just want to make it stop sucking |
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| 04:39.10 | blast007 | it's hard to say if it's the hardware, or the software ;) |
| 04:39.11 | jude- | hello all |
| 04:39.15 | Constitution | hi jude- |
| 04:39.21 | eTangenT | hey jude- |
| 04:39.53 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14301 10/trunk/bzflag/m4/mkdirp.m4: pull an update from cad that already fixes the issue -- automake 1.10+ uses an uppercase MKDIR_P so both upper and lower need to be subst'd. this fixes sf bug 1732265 from davemicc. |
| 04:41.43 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14302 10/trunk/bzflag/m4/mkdirp.m4: hehe, I made this exact same typo in cad when I first fixed it too. dumb. |
| 04:42.12 | blast007 | ;) |
| 04:42.24 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r14303 10/trunk/bzflag/configure.ac: call AM_PROG_MKDIR_P just to be sure the subst's are called, even though everal of the other macros are supposed to call it as well. |
| 04:44.40 | eTangenT | whoa |
| 04:44.44 | eTangenT | that's the same bug I had |
| 04:44.46 | eTangenT | thanks, brlcad |
| 04:44.55 | eTangenT | but I already fixed it over here by using automake 1.9 |
| 04:44.58 | eTangenT | ah well |
| 04:45.31 | eTangenT | come to think of it, davemicc is the guy who gave me that bit of advice, too |
| 04:50.33 | brlcad | yeah, I ran into that bug with brl-cad's source code about a year ago and fixed it then... |
| 04:53.14 | eTangenT | well, at least it's fixed now |
| 04:53.22 | eTangenT | always good to move forward |
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| 05:05.39 | eTangenT | oh, Macrosoft was here after all! :D |
| 05:40.43 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r14304 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (4 files in 3 dirs): added error box mechanism |
| 05:41.23 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r14305 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (dialogs/Fl_Dialog.cpp include/Fl_Dialog.h main.cpp): ...and tweaked Fl_Dialog |
| 05:57.21 | Constitution | thanks for the fix, brlcad |
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| 06:03.08 | brlcad | Constitution: np |
| 06:03.29 | brlcad | didn't even realize it was a problem |
| 06:04.27 | brlcad | folks should post their bugs more frequently like that instead of letting them fester quietly -- though the key even for this one was that the problem was very much narrowed down so I had no trouble locating (i.e. remembering) it |
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| 06:41.59 | Constitution | sheesh, this thread: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=10677 has degenerated into quite a nasty exchange |
| 06:43.51 | jude- | indeed |
| 06:44.03 | jude- | besides, flags *are* overrated ;) |
| 06:44.39 | jude- | ...although homing missiles are quite useful |
| 06:53.57 | blast007 | Constitution: I figured that thread was dead, but apparently someone administered CPR and brought it back |
| 06:55.24 | Constitution | blast007: heh |
| 07:24.56 | L4m3r | Pythonian back on the first page, filled with bots... |
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| 09:21.25 | spooch | hi |
| 09:21.41 | spooch | how was the name of the var for multiple jumping? |
| 09:21.47 | spooch | like flying |
| 09:21.55 | spooch | is there a list of possible vars? |
| 09:39.48 | Constitution | spooch: _wingsJumpCount? |
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| 10:41.48 | spooch | hi |
| 10:42.10 | spooch | whats the difference between v2_0branch and v2_0_cs_branch ? |
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| 10:53.38 | Constitution | spooch: v2_0_cs_branch was a conceptual version of BZFlag that used the Crystal Space engine. |
| 11:03.12 | spooch | Constitution, ah,tx |
| 11:03.25 | spooch | isnt in use anymore? |
| 11:08.59 | Constitution | It was never publically used... it was just to see how it would work. The main bzflag client may itself use Crystal Space someday. |
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| 11:17.54 | spooch | Constitution, tx |
| 11:18.13 | spooch | Constitution, btw, is there a list of all configurable variables in the tree? |
| 11:27.30 | Constitution | aside from './configure -help', I'm not sure |
| 11:27.43 | spooch | pwd |
| 11:29.20 | spooch | Constitution, no, Ive meant the list of vars, that i can modify at runtime as admin |
| 11:29.25 | Constitution | oh |
| 11:29.27 | spooch | in bzflag |
| 11:29.42 | Constitution | just log into any server, and type '/set'... it will print out the full list |
| 11:32.08 | spooch | oh, i'll try it out |
| 11:33.45 | spooch | Constitution, works fine, thx! |
| 11:33.49 | Constitution | np |
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| 11:35.51 | spooch | Constitution, is there a kind of autoexpansion? |
| 11:36.36 | spooch | Constitution, oh, the page-keys ... |
| 11:38.53 | Constitution | autoexpansion...? |
| 11:39.30 | spooch | Constitution, beginning a var-name then .. (like tab-key in bash) |
| 11:39.57 | spooch | Constitution, Im looking for the var for the maxnumber of jumps (fly-effect) |
| 11:40.13 | spooch | i saw it yesterday her - just forgotten the name |
| 11:41.42 | spooch | Constitution, _wingsJumpCount, that was ist .. *puh* |
| 11:46.09 | Constitution | ah. |
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| 12:21.28 | eTangenT | ok |
| 12:21.33 | eTangenT | off to work #1 |
| 12:21.49 | eTangenT | oh wow, I jus tpushed s to try and see who was here |
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| 12:45.39 | Macrosoft | problem solved |
| 12:48.52 | tannerld | ? |
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| 14:32.48 | Macrosoft | imgoing to run my server on the new router, i hope i dont fry this one too |
| 14:33.36 | blast007 | Macrosoft: unless they screwed up big time, you won't |
| 14:34.04 | blast007 | I can run rather bandwidth intensive stuff on my WRT54G v2 |
| 14:34.07 | Macrosoft | well thats how it happned to my old one |
| 14:34.18 | blast007 | P2P applications |
| 14:34.22 | Macrosoft | but this is a v8 |
| 14:34.34 | Macrosoft | cheaper hadrware |
| 14:34.44 | blast007 | mine DOES freak out when I run bittorrent unthrottled |
| 14:35.04 | blast007 | but part of that might just be flooding the CPU, not overheating |
| 14:35.28 | blast007 | also heard of some log issues (filling up the logs, for instance) but can't remember if that affected my router |
| 14:35.36 | Macrosoft | my netgear looks better than the linksys, but the design for the netgear doesnt give it good ventilation |
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| 14:36.28 | Macrosoft | i wish i had my old IP, it changed when i switched the routers |
| 14:36.46 | blast007 | do you have Cable internet? |
| 14:36.51 | Macrosoft | yes |
| 14:36.53 | blast007 | strange |
| 14:37.07 | blast007 | mine only changed when I had to get a new cable modem |
| 14:37.10 | Macrosoft | i had my old one memorized and everything |
| 14:37.32 | Macrosoft | now i have to change it in my server config |
| 14:38.04 | TheRedBaron | aren't most cable IP's dynamic? |
| 14:38.24 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: I had the same IP for probably two years |
| 14:38.36 | blast007 | it was tied to the MAC address on my modem |
| 14:38.37 | Macrosoft | yes, but it always gives the same IP when it renews |
| 14:38.49 | Macrosoft | except for now |
| 14:38.53 | blast007 | Macrosoft: oh no! you have to change it in a text file! the horror! |
| 14:39.18 | Macrosoft | yeah, and if it changes again, ill have to keep doing that |
| 14:39.24 | blast007 | oh no! |
| 14:39.30 | blast007 | or, just get a dynamic DNS name! |
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| 14:39.57 | Macrosoft | or force the router to guve me my old IP back |
| 14:41.01 | Macrosoft | ive tried pinging my old IP, there isnt any answer, so no one is using it |
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| 14:42.20 | donny_baker | that doesn't work in a dhcp environment |
| 14:42.31 | donny_baker | someone will get it and you will be blocked out |
| 14:42.49 | blast007 | or more likely, both of you will be blocked ;) |
| 14:42.52 | donny_baker | their dhcp server keeps track of who has which ip |
| 14:43.24 | donny_baker | and their really isn't any way to influence the one it gives you |
| 14:43.36 | donny_baker | I usually get a new IP on power loss |
| 14:43.58 | blast007 | technically, you could make it request a certain address via DHCP |
| 14:43.59 | donny_baker | and I am on comcast as are you IIRC |
| 14:44.09 | blast007 | that's part of the DHCP protocol |
| 14:44.24 | donny_baker | true... if you could manufature the correct packets to send |
| 14:44.50 | donny_baker | but that is not usually part of the interface provided ;) |
| 14:44.50 | Macrosoft | any way to request a certain ip |
| 14:44.54 | Macrosoft | ? |
| 14:45.25 | blast007 | not built-in to the router |
| 14:45.40 | blast007 | not that it would work anyway |
| 14:46.21 | blast007 | if you use the old router, does it give your old IP back? |
| 14:46.39 | blast007 | if so, maybe there is some MAC address faking you could do on the linksys |
| 14:46.41 | Macrosoft | no |
| 14:47.01 | Macrosoft | im using the mac to my old router |
| 14:47.37 | Macrosoft | so, its the surfboard modem that gives the IP, right |
| 14:47.52 | Macrosoft | any way to configure it? |
| 14:48.07 | blast007 | unlikely, for what you want |
| 14:48.11 | donny_baker | well actually it just forwards the request to your ISP's DHCP server |
| 14:48.30 | blast007 | most of them do have a web interface, but I doubt any of them have stuff to send custom DHCP requests |
| 14:48.52 | Macrosoft | what does? the router or the modem |
| 14:48.57 | blast007 | the modem |
| 14:49.09 | Macrosoft | how would i connect to that |
| 14:49.11 | Macrosoft | ? |
| 14:49.20 | blast007 | by RTFM |
| 14:49.37 | Macrosoft | whats that |
| 14:49.43 | blast007 | go google it |
| 14:49.59 | donny_baker | like we said... nothing you can really do.. the modem just passes the packets back and forth |
| 14:50.13 | donny_baker | its not going to let you change your ip either |
| 14:50.34 | donny_baker | ~blast007++ |
| 14:50.41 | blast007 | all you would get is some stats about the signal quality, and maybe some settings to change that could adversely affect your connection |
| 14:50.44 | blast007 | donny_baker: ;) |
| 14:53.04 | Macrosoft | it didnt give me a new IP until i unplugged the router |
| 14:53.04 | donny_baker | analyzing the IPs I have had over the last 2 years looks like I bounce between 6 IP addresses |
| 14:53.19 | donny_baker | right, the router requests it |
| 14:53.26 | donny_baker | the modem forwards it |
| 14:53.49 | Macrosoft | when i first connected the new router, it couldnt get an IP |
| 14:53.58 | donny_baker | you may try reseting it a couple times and see if it servers you up your old one, but that is a real long shot |
| 14:54.25 | Macrosoft | its worth the effort |
| 14:54.54 | Macrosoft | ooh, someones on my server |
| 14:54.55 | donny_baker | I dont think so, easy to fix with a dynamic DNS name |
| 14:58.30 | Macrosoft | the new IP is close to my old one |
| 14:59.00 | Macrosoft | old: 75.65.79.249 new:75.65.81.245 |
| 14:59.02 | Tedius | ~DTRemenak ++ |
| 14:59.19 | blast007 | Macrosoft: so if you cross your eyes, it looks the same? |
| 14:59.35 | blast007 | Macrosoft: but really, why do we care? |
| 15:00.06 | Tedius | did I do that right? how do I give DT karma points again? |
| 15:00.10 | donny_baker | with a DDNS name you don't even have to care |
| 15:00.15 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: probably no space |
| 15:00.19 | blast007 | er |
| 15:00.21 | donny_baker | Tedius: yes that was right |
| 15:00.26 | blast007 | Tedius* |
| 15:00.34 | blast007 | donny_baker: even with the space? |
| 15:00.35 | donny_baker | oh no no spaces after the name |
| 15:00.50 | Tedius | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 15:01.01 | donny_baker | see where I gave blast some like 20 lines up |
| 15:01.12 | Macrosoft | ? |
| 15:01.17 | blast007 | ! |
| 15:01.28 | donny_baker | . |
| 15:01.44 | Macrosoft | /:) |
| 15:01.45 | blast007 | by our powers combined, WE ARE PUNCTUATION! |
| 15:02.57 | Macrosoft | wait, you forgot about comma and apostraphe |
| 15:03.40 | Macrosoft | /playerlist |
| 15:04.16 | Tedius | ~karma DTRemenak |
| 15:04.16 | ibot | dtremenak has karma of 253 |
| 15:04.36 | Macrosoft | karma? |
| 15:04.51 | Tedius | for respecting historical entertainment |
| 15:04.55 | Macrosoft | is that a good number? |
| 15:05.13 | Macrosoft | what number would neutral be? |
| 15:05.13 | donny_baker | yes karma, and that is pretty high and good |
| 15:05.19 | donny_baker | o is nutreal |
| 15:05.28 | Tedius | ~karma Tedius |
| 15:05.28 | ibot | tedius has neutral karma |
| 15:05.29 | donny_baker | s/0/0/ |
| 15:05.36 | Macrosoft | ok, neg. bad, pos. good |
| 15:05.36 | donny_baker | s/o/0/ |
| 15:06.00 | Macrosoft | check on ebay |
| 15:06.05 | donny_baker | depends on what kind of karma you want |
| 15:06.16 | donny_baker | ~karma CBG |
| 15:06.17 | ibot | cbg has karma of -440 |
| 15:06.23 | Macrosoft | for all your used finger needs |
| 15:06.25 | Tedius | ! |
| 15:06.45 | Macrosoft | sale: used fingers, half price |
| 15:06.49 | donny_baker | CBG prefers negative karma ;) or at least I think he does |
| 15:06.56 | blast007 | "left hand only" |
| 15:07.13 | blast007 | "tested and working, provided AS IS with NO WARRANTY" |
| 15:07.17 | Tedius | George Costanza would want negative karma? |
| 15:07.52 | donny_baker | i think so... well not so sure he would WANT it, but that is what he would get |
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| 17:23.47 | thefirstdude | can I set a whole mesh to drive through and shoot through, without having to apply it to each face? |
| 17:28.54 | thefirstdude | nvm, found a solution |
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| 18:28.14 | thefirstdude | if someone could pass my images on http://images.bzflag.org that'd be great, thanks |
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| 18:50.24 | thefirstdude | I want to add all of norang's cops, sr trusted, etc. but I can't find a list of all the groups? |
| 18:52.06 | thefirstdude | Thumper_, can you point me to a list? |
| 18:52.58 | Tedius | thefistdude, you can add the groups themselves to your groupdb |
| 18:54.04 | thefirstdude | Tedius, yes, but I don't know what they are |
| 18:54.15 | thefirstdude | I know NORANG.JRADMIN because I'm in that |
| 18:54.22 | thefirstdude | but I don't know what the others are |
| 18:54.39 | thefirstdude | is it NORANG.TRUSTED, or NORANG.TRADMIN |
| 18:54.44 | thefirstdude | or NORANG.ADMIN? |
| 18:54.49 | Tedius | have you checked here? http://my.bzflag.org/bb/groupcp.php |
| 18:55.04 | brad | thefirstdude: so /grouplist on a norang server |
| 18:55.12 | thefirstdude | yes |
| 18:55.13 | brad | so=do |
| 18:56.11 | donny_baker | thefirstdude: the groups are NORANG.JRADMIN, NORANG.SRADMIN and NORANG.TRADMIN |
| 18:57.10 | thefirstdude | thanks |
| 18:57.11 | donny_baker | np |
| 18:57.19 | thefirstdude | I just want to get a bnuch of trustworthy admins on my server |
| 18:57.34 | donny_baker | thanks we appreciate your confidence |
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| 18:57.47 | donny_baker | you get 57 admins with those 3 groups |
| 18:58.02 | thefirstdude | yeh, including myself :) |
| 18:58.33 | Winny | 57 admins? |
| 18:58.35 | Winny | holy... |
| 18:59.20 | donny_baker | Winny: hey your one of them :) |
| 18:59.41 | donny_baker | ok you get 56 good admins and Winny :P |
| 18:59.47 | Winny | yeah |
| 18:59.49 | Winny | exactly |
| 18:59.52 | CBG | 55 |
| 19:00.11 | CBG | assuming all other admins are active. I'm not. |
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| 19:04.26 | TD-Linux | quite a few more SRADMINs than JRADMINs these days |
| 19:04.57 | TD-Linux | well, maybe not, /me might be getting another server confused |
| 19:08.05 | SpazzyMcGee | For every spelling/grammar mistake I die a little inside: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=10905 |
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| 19:11.30 | Tedius | ~SpazzyMcGee++ |
| 19:11.34 | Tedius | for making Normandy |
| 19:12.50 | Winny | I made my random world generator, but I forgot about the negative quadrants :p |
| 19:12.58 | TD-Linux | :p |
| 19:13.00 | SpazzyMcGee | heh |
| 19:13.05 | TD-Linux | just subtract half the size of your world |
| 19:13.25 | TD-Linux | from all your coordinates, and you will be good to go |
| 19:13.54 | Winny | no, Ill just replace MinXPos = 1 with MinXPos = -400 |
| 19:13.55 | Winny | and so on |
| 19:14.46 | brad | what if someone wants -500? |
| 19:15.03 | TD-Linux | I have the best random world generator ever |
| 19:15.12 | Winny | then they need a new map maker :p |
| 19:15.21 | TD-Linux | [~]$ bzfs |
| 19:18.33 | Winny | yay, fixed :p |
| 19:22.35 | donny_baker | TD-Linux: only 12 JRs left, 35 SRs and 10 TRs |
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| 19:32.08 | TD-Linux | wowee 10 TRs :O |
| 19:32.38 | TD-Linux | wow, the forums are full of junk |
| 19:32.52 | Winny | mhhmmm |
| 19:33.03 | TD-Linux | some of these threads should have been locked right away, imho |
| 19:33.30 | Winny | some of those account should have been locked right away ;) |
| 19:39.58 | TD-Linux | noooooo, it can't be.... |
| 19:40.00 | TD-Linux | trepan wrote: |
| 19:40.00 | TD-Linux | ./bzflag -view anaglyph |
| 19:40.00 | TD-Linux | what dies that do? and where would i put it? |
| 19:40.16 | TD-Linux | sorry, I guess that paste was a bit ambiguous |
| 19:40.57 | TD-Linux | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=7501&p=76786 |
| 19:41.07 | TD-Linux | let's see if that link works, I wrote it by hand... |
| 19:41.35 | TD-Linux | aah this does it: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=7501#76786 |
| 19:41.43 | TD-Linux | there should be a button for that in phpbb. |
| 19:42.43 | TD-Linux | ... and I just noticed how old that thread was |
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| 20:17.07 | AAA_awright | Anyone know who sf.net user macsforme is? |
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| 21:03.23 | davemicc | brlcad, ping? |
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| 21:25.42 | jude- | hello all |
| 21:26.25 | Winny | bonjour |
| 21:28.04 | ts | hello jude- |
| 21:28.47 | Constitution | hi jude- |
| 21:29.49 | TheRedBaron | good evening |
| 21:29.51 | thefirstdude | hi jude |
| 21:29.55 | jude- | lol |
| 21:29.55 | ts | /usr/bin/ld: unknown flag: -obzw |
| 21:29.58 | jude- | five responses |
| 21:30.00 | thefirstdude | jude, how far are you? |
| 21:30.06 | jude- | from...? |
| 21:30.09 | ts | jude-: May you try with a space after o? ;) |
| 21:30.11 | JeffM | nirvana |
| 21:30.24 | thefirstdude | from making a map editor... |
| 21:30.32 | jude- | 2.5 months |
| 21:30.49 | jude- | ts: where's that happenning? |
| 21:30.58 | thefirstdude | I'll be dead from anxiety before that :( |
| 21:31.19 | JeffM | thefirstdude, the schedule for the project has been known for ages |
| 21:31.25 | jude- | thefirstdude: the dialogs will all be finished by July...the 3D scene is next |
| 21:31.28 | JeffM | since we announced SoC acceptance. |
| 21:31.50 | thefirstdude | JeffM, I guess I'm just not well informed |
| 21:32.02 | JeffM | or you don't read much :) |
| 21:32.10 | thefirstdude | well, I don't |
| 21:32.12 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r14306 10/trunk/bzworkbench/dialogs/Fl_Error.cpp: updated Fl_Error.cpp |
| 21:32.23 | thefirstdude | jude, is the project on sourceforge? |
| 21:32.30 | JeffM | it's in our tree |
| 21:32.36 | JeffM | it's part of bzflag |
| 21:32.39 | thefirstdude | oh |
| 21:32.49 | JeffM | since he's a SoC studen, he's being paid to do it for us. |
| 21:32.51 | JeffM | by google. |
| 21:32.58 | thefirstdude | WOW |
| 21:33.05 | JeffM | go read the wiki |
| 21:33.06 | thefirstdude | what does google get out of it? |
| 21:33.12 | jude- | my soul :) |
| 21:33.15 | Winny | http://my.bzflag.org/w/ |
| 21:33.18 | JeffM | better open source developers, and advertsing |
| 21:33.30 | TheRedBaron | jude-: not a bad exchange rate - at least for me |
| 21:33.44 | jude- | heh |
| 21:34.02 | jude- | I can just send someone else's soul in place |
| 21:34.03 | ts | jude-: /Debug/makefile |
| 21:34.06 | thefirstdude | jude, are you the only student? |
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| 21:34.12 | thefirstdude | working on the editor? |
| 21:34.16 | jude- | yes |
| 21:34.16 | JeffM | yes he is |
| 21:34.17 | jude- | for now |
| 21:34.22 | JeffM | each student does there own project |
| 21:34.22 | ts | jude-: line 49 |
| 21:34.27 | JeffM | dude, seriousl GO READ |
| 21:34.39 | JeffM | instead of wasting his time on questions that have posted answeres. |
| 21:34.55 | thefirstdude | I did |
| 21:35.00 | ts | jude-: I think it should be -o "bzw" |
| 21:35.10 | thefirstdude | it doesn't say 'each student does his OWN project' |
| 21:35.23 | Constitution | thefirstdude: read farther ;-) |
| 21:35.34 | JeffM | thefirstdude, it does in the google SoC rules, that the pages link to |
| 21:35.36 | jude- | ts: yeah, it should |
| 21:36.09 | jude- | ...only the problem isn't on line 49--it's somewhere else |
| 21:36.15 | jude- | line 49 is the linker invocation |
| 21:36.35 | ts | I don't use eclipse :/ |
| 21:41.04 | jude- | what build environment are you using? |
| 21:43.26 | ts | Xcode, make |
| 21:44.06 | jude- | could you pastebin the output of building the project? |
| 21:44.11 | jude- | here's what it should look like: |
| 21:44.12 | jude- | http://pastebin.ca/548853 |
| 21:45.14 | Thumper_ | thefirstdude: pong - did you get what you need |
| 21:51.06 | ts | jude-: My g++ chokes on -o and no space...and my ld can not find -lftltk |
| 21:51.23 | jude- | O.o |
| 21:51.36 | jude- | -lftltk? |
| 21:51.37 | ts | I'm not sure if the ld one is my problem |
| 21:51.52 | jude- | I'm not saying it is |
| 21:52.02 | jude- | you might want to download the makefile again, though |
| 21:52.21 | ts | Only the space is the mod |
| 21:52.25 | ts | nothing else |
| 21:52.35 | jude- | it should be -lfltk |
| 21:52.49 | jude- | I'm not sure how that got translated to -lftltk |
| 21:52.52 | ts | ah, I did type it by hand in this window here |
| 21:53.07 | ts | maybe I spelled incorrectly..I drunk a bit alkohol |
| 21:53.37 | ts | wait, I'll pastebin |
| 21:53.42 | jude- | -o"bzw" should also work |
| 21:53.50 | ts | not for me |
| 21:53.57 | jude- | which g++? |
| 21:54.18 | ts | powerpc-apple-darwin8-g++-4.0.1 (GCC) 4.0.1 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 5367) |
| 21:54.28 | jude- | ah yes |
| 21:54.29 | ts | Output: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/548878 |
| 21:54.32 | jude- | I've asked that before :) |
| 21:56.32 | jude- | I'm using g++ 4.1.2 |
| 21:56.48 | ts | As I said..I can not update |
| 21:56.54 | jude- | I remember that one too |
| 21:57.36 | ts | Aaah, it's not only me who is experiencing problems with pastebin |
| 21:57.41 | blast007 | brlcad: do you have an idea of how many hits per second the list server gets for action=LIST ? (or per minute?) |
| 21:58.02 | jude- | could you put it in a normal pastebin? (i.e. not bzflag's)? |
| 21:58.07 | jude- | nm |
| 21:58.09 | jude- | it loaded |
| 21:58.10 | blast007 | wondering if it would have a performance increase by caching the LIST output for, say, 5 seconds at a time |
| 21:58.12 | ts | heh |
| 21:58.46 | jude- | ld can't seem to find FLTK |
| 21:58.51 | jude- | I'm using 1.1.7 |
| 21:58.59 | jude- | u sure it's properly installed? |
| 21:59.24 | ts | My fltk is at /opt/local/lib/ |
| 21:59.35 | ts | I did export LD_LIBRAY_PATH=${LD_LIBRAY_PATH}:/opt/local/lib/ in my .profile |
| 22:00.02 | jude- | do you have a libfltk.so? |
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| 22:00.31 | ts | I have a libfltk.a but no libfltk.dylib |
| 22:00.37 | jude- | that's the problem |
| 22:00.45 | jude- | you need the library |
| 22:00.51 | jude- | what you have is the statically-linkable archive |
| 22:01.09 | ts | Can I create the library from the archive? |
| 22:01.13 | tupone | TimRiker, again no logging from ibot :/ |
| 22:01.14 | jude- | dunno |
| 22:01.20 | jude- | doubtful |
| 22:01.33 | jude- | try getting the sources and building it |
| 22:02.52 | ts | hrm, so not using my port manager :/ |
| 22:03.10 | TheRedBaron | TimRiker: since the 4th |
| 22:03.27 | jude- | ...unless the port manager has the dylib |
| 22:03.36 | ts | It does not |
| 22:03.44 | jude- | can you point it at a repo that has it? |
| 22:04.32 | ts | yes...but now I gonna sleep |
| 22:04.42 | ts | too late to concentrate :) |
| 22:05.45 | jude- | sorry about that |
| 22:05.53 | jude- | I'll ask my mentor if I can statically link it |
| 22:06.00 | jude- | to eliminate the library dependency |
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| 22:08.53 | jude- | hello L4m3r |
| 22:13.38 | awilcox | wait wait wait |
| 22:13.42 | awilcox | THE TimRiker is in HERE? |
| 22:14.08 | CBG | Yes, awilcox |
| 22:14.18 | jude- | why do you ask? |
| 22:14.23 | blast007 | he's signed in at least ;) |
| 22:14.35 | blast007 | doesn't mean he's at the keyboard |
| 22:14.38 | awilcox | jude-: Because he's cool. |
| 22:15.04 | CBG | Devs are cool too. :) |
| 22:15.45 | jude- | heh--TimRiker has quite the reputation |
| 22:16.05 | jude- | ~wiki Tim Riker |
| 22:16.39 | JeffM | he is? |
| 22:16.54 | purple_cow | he's apparently famous enough to be on wikipedia |
| 22:17.25 | jude- | JeffM, purple_cow: you guys are referenced in BZFlag's wiki article; someone just needs to write an article for you :) |
| 22:17.41 | CBG | bleh, should be at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TimRiker really |
| 22:17.56 | JeffM | meh |
| 22:17.57 | CBG | purple_cow: anyone can be on wikipedia... |
| 22:18.11 | purple_cow | CBG: only until the kiddos decide it's "unnotable" |
| 22:18.24 | awilcox | CBG: Not anyone can be on Wikipedia |
| 22:18.29 | awilcox | They have to be notable enough. |
| 22:18.37 | awilcox | see WP:NN |
| 22:19.02 | CBG | I'm on wikipedia. |
| 22:19.09 | CBG | I've never achieved anything. |
| 22:19.11 | jude- | ~wiki CBG |
| 22:19.16 | CBG | I'm a waste of air. |
| 22:19.20 | CBG | ~wiki User:CBG |
| 22:19.24 | CBG | ~wiki User:CannonBallGuy |
| 22:19.25 | purple_cow | CBG: you mean there's an article about you or a user page? |
| 22:19.33 | purple_cow | those are different things |
| 22:19.44 | CBG | I'm "on" wikipedia. |
| 22:19.52 | CBG | Doesn't matter if the url has "User:" in it or not. |
| 22:20.03 | Chestal | http://www.dasliedzumspiel.de/wikipedia.mp3 (German lyrics) |
| 22:20.31 | CBG | And imho, anyone who's alive, not a famous actor, famous sports person, etc, etc should use User: . |
| 22:21.07 | awilcox | CBG: If you are *that* against Tim Riker's Wiki article, tag it. |
| 22:21.25 | CBG | I'm not so much against it - just stating my opinion. |
| 22:21.26 | purple_cow | CBG: well, that's what I mean by "famous enough" =P |
| 22:21.55 | Chestal | there's a lot in Wikipedia which I would not have put into it |
| 22:22.04 | CBG | The wikipedia userbase is an odd bunch if you ask me... |
| 22:22.16 | Chestal | descriptions of every single episode of some TV show etc. |
| 22:23.00 | purple_cow | compare: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_%28mythology%29 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pon_Farr |
| 22:23.11 | CBG | Usually to establish which one I missed or something. |
| 22:24.25 | jude- | what's to compare? |
| 22:24.39 | CBG | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_%28mythology%29 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pon_Farr ;) |
| 22:25.02 | jude- | I don't get it |
| 22:25.15 | jude- | neither are particularly well-written articles, but that's where the similarities end |
| 22:25.18 | awilcox | Gah. |
| 22:25.24 | purple_cow | one's really short and one's long and detailed |
| 22:25.27 | purple_cow | guess which is which! |
| 22:25.41 | CBG | heh |
| 22:25.41 | jude- | so there are some trekkies with too much time on their hands |
| 22:25.48 | awilcox | Hehe. |
| 22:26.22 | awilcox | CBG: Wait, did you just call me 'odd'? |
| 22:26.23 | jude- | the fact that Pon_Farr is longer isn't important--it's the content that is |
| 22:26.29 | CBG | I guess. |
| 22:26.34 | awilcox | :O |
| 22:26.35 | jude- | Pon_Farr just takes more words to describe :) |
| 22:26.43 | awilcox | jude :) |
| 22:27.05 | awilcox | jude-: what you don't watch Star Trek TOS? |
| 22:27.13 | jude- | nope |
| 22:27.14 | CBG | Quality, not quantity. |
| 22:27.40 | jude- | *computers |
| 22:30.23 | awilcox | Erroneous: That is where Wikipedia gets some of it's Trek facts, iirc. |
| 22:31.08 | Erroneous | undoubtedly. but, compare, for instance, http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/D7_class with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klingon_starships#D7_class |
| 22:33.09 | Erroneous | and the more specific you get, the more the difference is apparent. see http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/IKS_Gr%27oth vs. the only mention of the Gr'oth on wikipedia, a short blurb on Koloth's biography |
| 22:33.50 | awilcox | Yeah. |
| 22:34.07 | awilcox | Wikipedia is like the Reader's Digest version of Memory Alpha for Star Trek. |
| 22:34.14 | Erroneous | same deal happens with other fictional universes |
| 22:34.51 | Erroneous | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alderaan vs http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Alderaan for instance |
| 22:36.14 | Erroneous | in all honesty, I don't see why wikipedia maintains detailed articles on fictional universes, when there are specialized wikis with far more content available. transwiki links ftw. |
| 22:38.11 | Erroneous | it's not all that good for that either |
| 22:38.25 | jude- | "when applicable" |
| 22:38.31 | jude- | i.e. general-purpose stuff |
| 22:38.38 | jude- | also, for the sources and links |
| 22:38.45 | jude- | not so much the article |
| 22:38.46 | awilcox | It's good for F/M/S data |
| 22:40.17 | Erroneous | sources and links are what google is for :) |
| 22:40.34 | Chestal | and google will then point to Wikipedia :-) |
| 22:40.54 | awilcox | I've had that happen (Google for something and Wiki comes up) |
| 22:41.12 | jude- | happens to me |
| 22:41.14 | jude- | a lot |
| 22:41.22 | Chestal | Wikipedia articles are reguarly among the top 5 hits |
| 22:41.28 | Erroneous | wikipedia, though, is not a source :) |
| 22:41.51 | jude- | for example, I'm currently looking for information on how to install Debian Linux on an SGI Octane, but keep getting Wikipedia (and linux-mips.org's wiki) |
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| 22:44.25 | wert613 | hiya Tedius! |
| 22:44.34 | wert613 | erm its me gravel |
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| 22:46.17 | jude- | Erroneous--there's no debian installer for the Octane |
| 22:46.27 | jude- | so far, I've resorted to net-booting Gentoo |
| 22:46.35 | Erroneous | jude-: didn't get irix with it? |
| 22:46.40 | jude- | no |
| 22:46.42 | jude- | to my disgust |
| 22:46.48 | Erroneous | that's too bad |
| 22:46.50 | jude- | I know |
| 22:46.57 | jude- | I was hoping to test BZWorkbench on it! |
| 22:46.58 | Chestal | http://www.cyrius.com/debian/o2/ is the first hit I get |
| 22:47.10 | jude- | Chestal: I need the Octane, not the O2 |
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| 22:47.15 | jude- | different motherboards |
| 22:47.37 | Chestal | not sure where google foudn octante on there |
| 22:47.42 | Erroneous | jude-: ebay? :) |
| 22:47.49 | jude- | yeah...for $100 |
| 22:47.55 | thefirstdude | how to add adminchannel in group file? |
| 22:48.01 | thefirstdude | like is it ADMINCHANNEL? |
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| 22:50.06 | Chestal | thefirstdude: what dou you want to achieve? there's ADMINMESSAGESEND and ADMINMESSAGERECEIVE |
| 22:50.22 | thefirstdude | both, thanks |
| 22:50.38 | thefirstdude | well, just receive :) |
| 22:56.43 | eTangenT | moo |
| 22:59.22 | awilcox | I can moo can yoU? |
| 22:59.35 | awilcox | *you |
| 23:02.16 | awilcox | thefirstdude: I see in my logs that you joined #AWOS, any particular reason why? |
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| 23:08.48 | thefirstdude | awilcox, just wondering what it was about |
| 23:08.59 | thefirstdude | awilcox, can I say natural curiosity |
| 23:09.01 | awilcox | It's an operating system |
| 23:09.14 | awilcox | Yes, curiosity is how most people got there, thefirstdude :) |
| 23:09.25 | thefirstdude | awilcox, linux ? |
| 23:09.33 | awilcox | Like Linux. |
| 23:09.36 | awilcox | My own code though. |
| 23:09.40 | awilcox | Not Linux. |
| 23:09.44 | thefirstdude | awilcox, is it any good? |
| 23:09.58 | awilcox | Asking a lead developer if his program is any good.... |
| 23:10.04 | awilcox | Of course it is! |
| 23:10.16 | jude- | POSIX-compliant? |
| 23:10.19 | thefirstdude | are you using it :P |
| 23:11.36 | awilcox | jude-: Yep. |
| 23:11.47 | awilcox | thefirstdude: It doesn't have network yet, so no, I'm not yet |
| 23:12.43 | thefirstdude | can I just ask here for a group file |
| 23:12.52 | thefirstdude | or global group |
| 23:13.12 | jude- | awilcox: smp? |
| 23:13.17 | awilcox | jude-: Working on it. |
| 23:13.21 | awilcox | Literally. |
| 23:13.25 | awilcox | vim mp.c |
| 23:13.35 | awilcox | <--- over there |
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| 23:53.14 | Winny | Hmm, would a random map creator be considered a "map editor"? |
| 23:53.22 | Winny | I was going to post it, but I am unsure of where to put it. |
| 23:53.41 | TD-Linux | sure, I think it's close enough |
| 23:54.58 | jude- | not really... |
| 23:55.06 | jude- | and editor implies some sort of interaction |
| 23:55.13 | jude- | telling a program to randomly generate a map isn't editing |
| 23:55.15 | Winny | you do ineed interact |
| 23:55.26 | Winny | you tell it what parameters it ueses, etc |
| 23:55.38 | jude- | interaction occurs at run-time |
| 23:55.49 | jude- | not before |
| 23:55.57 | jude- | then, you're interacting with the shell that launches the program |
| 23:56.03 | Winny | well, then where shall I place it? |
| 23:56.09 | jude- | tools/utilities? |
| 23:56.33 | Winny | I do not see a forum section about that ;) |
| 23:56.56 | TD-Linux | I think map editors is the best spot |
| 23:57.22 | Winny | we need a "BZFlag Utilities" forum |
| 23:57.30 | jude- | that's what I was just about to suggest |
| 23:57.53 | jude- | 'cause we'll be getting a random map generator from another GSoC participant :) |
| 23:58.20 | Winny | :) |
| 23:58.28 | jude- | I think Epyon's making it |
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| 23:58.39 | Winny | and here I'm doing it for free ;p |
| 23:58.49 | jude- | you could coordinate your efforts with him... |
| 23:59.01 | Winny | Windows only :) |
| 23:59.03 | Winny | :( |
| 23:59.12 | jude- | ...or you could hold off for a few months, and make it into a plugin for BZWorkbench :) |
| 23:59.56 | jude- | ...or you could go ahead and make it into a plugin for BZFS |