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| 00:43.02 | brlcad | eep, it's late |
| 00:43.27 | brlcad | *really late* |
| 00:45.32 | KTL | time is relative |
| 00:52.13 | brlcad | yes it is |
| 00:52.36 | AAA_awright | Time is an illusion, Lunchtime doubly so. |
| 00:52.37 | brlcad | and in this case relative to a handful of other bzflaggers that I'm supposed to meet in five minutes |
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| 00:52.55 | KTL | ah that famous meeting :D |
| 00:53.49 | AAA_awright | Oh, where? |
| 00:54.28 | KTL | and who |
| 00:56.08 | KTL | any women? /me experienced that there are very very nice girls playing bz :D |
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| 01:21.59 | AAA_awright | Does anyone want to help out with the creation of a tutorial server? It would go over the flags, default keys, and have some bots |
| 01:32.29 | orthox | help how? |
| 01:33.16 | orthox | map creation? bot creation? textures? |
| 01:33.53 | orthox | is the 2.0.9 code only available via svn? |
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| 01:53.26 | AAA_awright | Map creation, plugins, and robots |
| 01:54.03 | AAA_awright | I can imagine it would be a plugin-heavy server. Players should join the rogue team, and robots to colored teams, randomly. |
| 01:55.05 | AAA_awright | You would learn how to chat and send commands first, then you would complete tasks and move to different parts of the map |
| 01:55.12 | orthox | do you have a breakdown of the tutorials yet? |
| 01:55.19 | AAA_awright | No |
| 01:56.34 | orthox | is it possible to turn teleporters on and off in-game? |
| 01:57.28 | orthox | i'll help in my spare time (which can be rather random) |
| 01:59.07 | AAA_awright | No, a plugin can make people sprawn in different locations though |
| 01:59.38 | orthox | heh i've got an auto-admin that knows how to /kill |
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| 04:38.26 | AAA_awright | Does Anyone test builds before committing? 2.1 freezes more then my ice cubes. And I have a ice maker built in. |
| 04:58.14 | blast007 | AAA_awright: you're using a development branch. If it breaks, you get to keep both pieces. Deal with it, or fix it. |
| 04:58.38 | AAA_awright | Heh. |
| 04:58.53 | ruskie | :) |
| 05:20.03 | brlcad | ahh, that was fun |
| 05:20.37 | brlcad | good to see JBDiGriz, L4m3r, and DTRemenak face-to-face again |
| 05:21.19 | brlcad | AAA_awright: in San Diego |
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| 05:27.16 | jude- | "Rebelion called on account of illness" ??? |
| 05:30.03 | brlcad | Jeff being funny w.r.t. TimRiker |
| 05:30.55 | jude- | how did the meeting go? |
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| 05:31.41 | *** topic/#bzflag by brlcad -> http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9453 || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 -- Stats still offline due to svn problem || http://my.bzflag.org/w/ || Google Summer of Code is nearing an end ... thanks to all of the students |
| 05:31.52 | brlcad | JeffM: sorry to have missed ya |
| 05:31.58 | brlcad | hope you're feeling better |
| 05:32.09 | JeffM | sneezing sucks :( |
| 05:32.10 | brlcad | jude-: pretty good, it's always good to see the folks you spend a lot of time talking to |
| 05:32.31 | jude- | do you know if there will be another in 2008? |
| 05:32.40 | JeffM | I have some, they just suck |
| 05:32.56 | brlcad | jude-: siggraph is in LA next year, so quite possibly |
| 05:33.02 | jude- | sweet |
| 05:33.09 | a_meteorite | are regular BZFlaggers invited? |
| 05:33.14 | brlcad | sure |
| 05:33.15 | JeffM | what time did DTR and l43mr get there? |
| 05:33.25 | a_meteorite | hmm, never know :) |
| 05:33.26 | brlcad | they were a bit .. late :) |
| 05:33.28 | JeffM | regular players have a 15$ cover, 2 drink min. |
| 05:33.31 | brlcad | almost missed them entirely |
| 05:33.47 | a_meteorite | heh, I'm not legal age to drink |
| 05:33.48 | JeffM | yeah he said he was leaving at 3, and that's a LONG drive |
| 05:33.49 | brlcad | jb and I were just finishing up our beers and had paid the bill when they showed up |
| 05:34.02 | brlcad | they hit traffic, didn't get there till after 7 |
| 05:34.09 | JeffM | did SportChick show? |
| 05:34.18 | brlcad | no, just the four of us |
| 05:34.33 | JeffM | yeah I don't think she got the details |
| 05:34.41 | brlcad | she said sowwy |
| 05:35.04 | JeffM | shoulda had a wiki page made during planing stages :) |
| 05:35.18 | brlcad | and a bzbb announcement for the players |
| 05:35.25 | JeffM | yeah |
| 05:35.30 | brlcad | maybe next year |
| 05:36.09 | brlcad | i was just too busy this year to pump it to the community, hard enough just to make the time myself |
| 05:37.02 | JeffM | I hear the conf. was MStastic |
| 05:37.34 | brlcad | stayed an extra day down here just so I'd have time to meet up, and still almost missed it -- didn't finish my necessities until about 15 min before 6 |
| 05:38.02 | brlcad | MS certainly had a presence -- they've been making themselves more and more visible for a couple years now |
| 05:38.18 | brlcad | but specially with this year's showcasing of Surface along with some other research |
| 05:39.40 | brlcad | still not incredibly noticable to the point that they had a significantly bigger visibility than any other group that was presenting, just more than usual for them |
| 05:41.54 | JeffM | I got more ram for that SGI o2, but one of the 6 dimms was bad :( |
| 05:42.17 | brlcad | ahh |
| 05:42.29 | jude- | how much did you pay for the RAM? |
| 05:42.50 | JeffM | 0.99$ each |
| 05:43.47 | a_meteorite | that's a pretty good deal even if half of em were bad :) |
| 05:44.03 | jude- | indeed--cheap O2 ram is rare |
| 05:44.16 | jude- | heck, cheap O2 components are rare |
| 05:44.18 | brlcad | just one of my beers cost more tonight |
| 05:44.59 | JeffM | one of 6 was bad |
| 05:45.15 | JeffM | so since they go in pairs, it has 192 megs of ram instead of 256 |
| 05:45.22 | JeffM | better then the 64 it had before |
| 05:45.58 | jude- | so you're stuck with one good DIMM that can't be used? |
| 05:46.22 | JeffM | the person I purchased it from on ebay has a 7 day no DOA policy |
| 05:46.26 | JeffM | I've sent them a message |
| 05:46.32 | JeffM | we'll see if I can get another |
| 05:46.50 | JeffM | they had 25 |
| 05:46.58 | JeffM | I only purchased 6 |
| 05:47.10 | jude- | hopefully they still have some :) |
| 05:47.20 | JeffM | well I was the only bidder |
| 05:47.30 | JeffM | and she had 2 acutions for 25 each |
| 05:47.38 | JeffM | so I'm sure they have at least 1 |
| 05:47.56 | JeffM | mostly since they go in pairs, it would be rare that someone oder the other 19 |
| 05:48.54 | jude- | I never really understood why early UNIX workstations could only handle RAM in pairs :/ |
| 05:49.21 | brlcad | wasn't just unix workstations |
| 05:49.25 | JeffM | proablaby how they did the busses |
| 05:49.37 | JeffM | but yeah many PCs needed pairs or quads |
| 05:49.42 | brlcad | lots of mobos were like that back then, and some still are (though rare) |
| 05:49.49 | JeffM | I recall having to put 30 pin simms in 4s |
| 05:50.00 | JeffM | dual channel DDR has to in pairs |
| 05:50.16 | JeffM | so you do pairs now for DDR and DDR2 in every modern computer |
| 05:50.29 | a_meteorite | you don't have to do pairs with DDR |
| 05:50.36 | jude- | I was just going to say that |
| 05:50.41 | JeffM | you don't HAVE to |
| 05:50.48 | jude- | my machine takes DDR2 in singles |
| 05:50.48 | a_meteorite | doubles the bus though |
| 05:50.51 | JeffM | but you should, if you want to get dual channel support |
| 05:51.05 | JeffM | jude-, sure but your running at 1/2 bandwith then |
| 05:51.08 | brlcad | yeah, you just take a performance hit if you don't |
| 05:51.13 | jude- | I don't *do* that, though :) |
| 05:51.44 | jude- | I just know that it's possible to run with an odd # of sticks |
| 05:52.59 | blast007 | RIMM memory was fun |
| 05:53.20 | JeffM | you had to use the blanks |
| 05:53.27 | blast007 | had to be in pairs, and any slots without RAM had to have CRIMM's |
| 05:54.06 | brlcad | yeah, it's often possible, it just might not help and might even hurt performance -- and if you didn't have matching pairs, it could even ignore the odd one (and report it, but not allow it to be addressed) |
| 05:55.36 | jude- | haven't tried that yet |
| 05:56.23 | JeffM | on the SGI I put the 7th module in, but it dosnt' report it |
| 05:56.47 | brlcad | the problem is usually access frequency, the chips are rated at a certain frequency and the mobos access all memory at a fixed specific frequency |
| 05:57.10 | brlcad | so it has to use the slowest frequency of all chips (which is constant per bank if the chips match in pairs) |
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| 07:01.11 | jude- | ...and in other news, SCO lost to Novell in Novel v. SCO |
| 07:01.23 | jude- | (Novell *does* own UNIX) |
| 07:16.10 | eTangenT | wee |
| 07:17.21 | L4m3r | thanks DTRemenak :) |
| 07:17.37 | jude- | ...and now, SCO will be torn to shreads by IBM, now that the entire premise of their case has been destroyed >:D |
| 07:59.16 | DTRemenak | well, only took about 2:35 to drive back |
| 07:59.33 | DTRemenak | more than 4 hours to get there though |
| 08:01.24 | L4m3r | yeah, ouch |
| 08:02.05 | DTRemenak | and fwiw, sunset does not get a 405N onramp :) |
| 08:02.22 | L4m3r | ah crap. Sorry. |
| 08:02.32 | L4m3r | the locals must use Sepulveda or something |
| 08:02.47 | DTRemenak | I just got back on 405S and turned around the next one down |
| 08:03.07 | L4m3r | yeah, Wilshire is good for that at least |
| 08:04.02 | DTRemenak | wilshire is a crazy mess though |
| 08:04.14 | DTRemenak | can't they just stick to standard on/offramp designs? :P |
| 08:05.26 | L4m3r | those are somewhat standard, iirc, aside from the 405N -> Wilshire E one |
| 08:05.37 | L4m3r | they're just directional, like a junction |
| 08:05.44 | L4m3r | wilshire is a REALLY busy street |
| 08:06.10 | DTRemenak | no, it's not a cloverleaf |
| 08:06.18 | DTRemenak | junctions should be cloverleaves :P |
| 08:07.02 | L4m3r | not always |
| 08:07.44 | L4m3r | sometimes the right-hand turn is on the outside, instead of the inside. This puts the exit before the entrance, resulting in less of a headache (generally) |
| 08:08.04 | L4m3r | sometimes they do it the other way when less land is available |
| 08:09.08 | DTRemenak | proper cloverleaves always have right hand on the outside |
| 08:09.23 | DTRemenak | doing it the other way makes mergina a pain |
| 08:09.33 | DTRemenak | s/mergina/merging |
| 08:11.42 | L4m3r | yup |
| 08:11.51 | L4m3r | isn't that how that system is, though? |
| 08:12.04 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 08:12.12 | L4m3r | the right-handed ramps do cling a little bit close to the inside |
| 08:12.22 | L4m3r | but aside from the 405N exit... |
| 08:13.46 | DTRemenak | my biggest problem is that it's asymmetric, so exiting doesn't tell you anything about how entering is going to work |
| 08:14.08 | L4m3r | heh |
| 08:14.51 | DTRemenak | anyway, 's all good. the car and I both made it back in one peice |
| 08:15.43 | L4m3r | yeah, well, after the assclown back on the 5, I figured it wouldn't be a problem |
| 08:16.01 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 08:16.16 | DTRemenak | yup, idiots in mustangs notwithstanding, the rest of the drive was uneventful :) |
| 08:16.28 | L4m3r | 'night |
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