| 00:00.03 | L4m3r | but it stops the opportunists |
| 00:00.11 | L4m3r | and those are everywhere nowadays |
| 00:00.29 | jude- | heh |
| 00:00.38 | Winny | dammit, when are they gunna release a new iPhone-like iPod |
| 00:00.48 | L4m3r | never? |
| 00:00.53 | Winny | its fun fitting 4gb of music on a 2gb nano |
| 00:01.11 | blast007 | Winny: buy two nanos |
| 00:01.26 | Winny | I actually have a second one :p |
| 00:01.34 | L4m3r | having had my cell phone stolen while I was sleeping in the room, the laptop lock makes me comfortable :P |
| 00:01.46 | jude- | eeeek |
| 00:01.50 | L4m3r | Winny: Zen Vision: W |
| 00:02.34 | jude- | woo! BZWB didn't segfault when it applied a material! |
| 00:02.47 | jude- | (first attempt, too) |
| 00:02.56 | tannerld_mac | yay |
| 00:02.58 | tannerld_mac | ~jude-++ |
| 00:03.16 | jude- | it didn't work, though :/ |
| 00:04.05 | tannerld_mac | you get points for trying |
| 00:04.49 | jude- | wait... |
| 00:04.53 | jude- | woohoo1 |
| 00:04.58 | jude- | it DOES work! |
| 00:05.23 | a_meteorite | that's when you know you have something well built: you code it all first, then compile it at the very end crossing your fingers |
| 00:05.53 | jude- | that's what I've been doing this summer xP |
| 00:06.15 | a_meteorite | I only do that for "smaller" things.. 100 lines or less |
| 00:06.16 | jude- | praying to the Mystical Programming gods to NOT coredump my system :) |
| 00:06.25 | a_meteorite | I seg fault a ton :D |
| 00:06.33 | Winny | Im trying to explain to someone that the BZ source is messy.... whats the best way to explain it? |
| 00:06.46 | tannerld_mac | ~jude-++ |
| 00:07.00 | a_meteorite | Winny: open up the source tree and ask the person if they know exactly what file does what |
| 00:07.12 | a_meteorite | oh, yeah, and tell them what playing.cxx does exactly |
| 00:07.15 | a_meteorite | *ask them |
| 00:09.17 | AAA_awright | ja |
| 00:09.25 | blast007 | or just tell them it's been an evolving project for 15 years with a lot of different developers, and no planning :) |
| 00:09.33 | AAA_awright | Ha. |
| 00:13.02 | AAA_awright | The network protocol seems very well designed (until 2.1, I will discuss that some other time). The code you can very clearly see had a stable source tree at one time (my "1.5" he he), and has been hacked together since |
| 00:13.19 | jude- | Winny: ask them if they want to know which scenegraph engine BZFlag uses |
| 00:13.27 | tannerld_mac | jude-: so it displays it or just is able to parse it? |
| 00:13.35 | jude- | tannerld_mac: both :) |
| 00:13.40 | tannerld_mac | jude-: oooo |
| 00:13.46 | tannerld_mac | ~jude-++ |
| 00:13.48 | tannerld_mac | lol |
| 00:13.49 | jude- | parse, render, AND save :) |
| 00:13.54 | tannerld_mac | oooo |
| 00:14.06 | blast007 | ~jude-++ |
| 00:14.06 | jude- | only primitive support now, though (just colors and textures, no options yet) |
| 00:14.11 | blast007 | there we go, that one worked |
| 00:14.16 | jude- | :) |
| 00:14.26 | tannerld_mac | ~karma jude- |
| 00:14.26 | ibot | jude- has karma of 98 |
| 00:14.29 | tannerld_mac | wow |
| 00:14.50 | jude- | woah |
| 00:36.10 | Macrosoft|AFK | AAA_awright: pingo |
| 00:36.20 | AAA_awright | Macrosoft|AFK: Pongo |
| 00:36.52 | Macrosoft|AFK | can your stats site get stats for IP's, or just by callsign? |
| 00:38.35 | Macrosoft|AFK | ...it would be useful for tracking cheaters and stuffs |
| 00:38.49 | AAA_awright | bzfs doesn't provide IP addresses :( |
| 00:39.16 | AAA_awright | It's only available to administrators of the server |
| 00:39.31 | Macrosoft|AFK | ahh... |
| 00:39.57 | Macrosoft|AFK | ok, food time *goes to eat* |
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| 02:04.04 | AAA_awright | There is a cheating server on the list server, That is not usually allowed, right? |
| 02:04.13 | R3laX | yep |
| 02:04.29 | AAA_awright | http://bzflag.redjacket.ws/index.php/server/190.161.128.59:5154 |
| 02:05.45 | blast007 | most certainly is not, one moment :) |
| 02:06.12 | L4m3r | wahoo, listban! |
| 02:06.50 | L4m3r | a_meteorite: ping |
| 02:06.56 | a_meteorite | L4m3r: pong |
| 02:07.02 | L4m3r | ok, ready |
| 02:07.14 | a_meteorite | ready for what? |
| 02:08.22 | AAA_awright | Who was the noted cheat server host in 1.7/1.10? Knight someone? |
| 02:08.29 | a_meteorite | knightmare |
| 02:08.43 | AAA_awright | Yes |
| 02:09.23 | a_meteorite | L4m3r: .. ready for what? :\ |
| 02:10.05 | a_meteorite | O_o |
| 02:10.50 | AAA_awright | Who wants to flood the server with bots? |
| 02:10.54 | AAA_awright | I can offer 20 |
| 02:11.00 | blast007 | baleeted! |
| 02:11.04 | AAA_awright | a_meteorite blast007 R3laX lets do it |
| 02:11.09 | L4m3r | yay, it worked |
| 02:11.12 | blast007 | AAA_awright: no |
| 02:11.18 | a_meteorite | do what..? |
| 02:11.20 | blast007 | do not give them any more attention |
| 02:11.23 | blast007 | that's what they want |
| 02:11.26 | blast007 | just ignore them |
| 02:11.41 | AAA_awright | They will get attention all right, thats the whole point |
| 02:11.51 | AAA_awright | Come on, its 200 players max |
| 02:11.58 | a_meteorite | O_o |
| 02:12.10 | AAA_awright | a_meteorite: Nothing to risk, its not a network |
| 02:12.16 | AAA_awright | about to be banned anyways |
| 02:12.31 | L4m3r | I have to admit that it'd be fun to join them with a bunch of god-mode bots |
| 02:12.38 | a_meteorite | rofl |
| 02:12.38 | L4m3r | break their only rule :P |
| 02:12.38 | AAA_awright | LOL |
| 02:12.43 | blast007 | heh |
| 02:12.50 | L4m3r | but blast is right |
| 02:13.06 | L4m3r | leave it alone |
| 02:13.11 | AAA_awright | Flood them with bots just for a few mins, then empty the place |
| 02:13.30 | blast007 | AAA_awright: no |
| 02:13.35 | blast007 | do you know what that two letter word means? |
| 02:13.48 | blast007 | if not, try "false" or "negative" or "0" |
| 02:13.53 | AAA_awright | blast007: Not to be blunt or anything, but... |
| 02:14.06 | AAA_awright | <small>its not your server</small> |
| 02:14.14 | AAA_awright | (sorry) |
| 02:14.16 | blast007 | it's not your server either |
| 02:14.23 | blast007 | so what right do you have to abuse their server? |
| 02:14.31 | AAA_awright | The very fact they say to do so |
| 02:14.45 | blast007 | no, they do not say "bring 100 bots onto the server" |
| 02:15.40 | blast007 | I don't think you understand how these people think/work |
| 02:15.59 | blast007 | the more reaction they get, the more fun they think it is |
| 02:16.11 | blast007 | their entire goal is to cause a disruption and to get players angry |
| 02:16.29 | blast007 | by targeting them, you're showing that you're angry at them, and thus, just feeding them |
| 02:17.28 | blast007 | it took me all of two minutes to shut them down |
| 02:18.22 | blast007 | and they probably don't even know it yet |
| 02:18.27 | blast007 | :) |
| 02:18.39 | AAA_awright | No, they dont. It will all end with a thud. |
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| 02:25.30 | jude- | ooooo bannage |
| 02:26.45 | AAA_awright | It just thuded. I counted over 50,000 messages spammed on the server. |
| 02:28.16 | bremac | who was hitting it, anyway? |
| 02:28.22 | AAA_awright | Dunno. |
| 02:28.40 | bremac | the guy running it certainly wasn't doing anything about it |
| 02:28.55 | blast007 | he's running 2.0.8, and thus, is vulnerable |
| 02:31.02 | AAA_awright | The thud came, and is over. Lets start a flame war over "BZFLAG\r\n\r\n".... |
| 02:31.21 | a_meteorite | uh oh, don't let AAA get riled up over THAT :P |
| 02:32.08 | AAA_awright | First of all, we could start by taking it out. |
| 02:33.01 | AAA_awright | And we could consider how to host multiple servers on one port. |
| 02:34.24 | AAA_awright | I like a named servers idea, that is you connect with a named server in mind (server:5154/boxy), or you can leave out the named server and get the named server list for servers running on that port: |
| 02:35.12 | AAA_awright | connecting to server:5154/ sends "~LIST\n" and it responds with "boxy\nbloodbath\n" |
| 02:35.23 | bremac | so you mean, run what essentially is a local list server |
| 02:35.49 | bremac | or name server, I suppose it would be called |
| 02:35.50 | AAA_awright | It's a way to put multiple games on one port |
| 02:36.02 | AAA_awright | Each port would host its own local list server |
| 02:36.05 | AAA_awright | So yah |
| 02:36.13 | blast007 | how would that be useful? |
| 02:36.20 | bremac | ungh, multiple games on one port is reinventing the port paradigm yet again |
| 02:36.30 | AAA_awright | Set port forwarding on one port, instead of all of them |
| 02:36.35 | blast007 | AAA_awright: that's it? |
| 02:36.45 | blast007 | that's just being lazy |
| 02:36.57 | AAA_awright | no |
| 02:36.59 | blast007 | dedicated servers don't have to use port forwarding :) |
| 02:37.05 | AAA_awright | I can actually make prioritizing connections on my router work |
| 02:37.11 | bremac | that's just dropping the concept of ports to level 7 |
| 02:37.25 | bremac | in addition to those in (TCP|UDP)/IP |
| 02:37.38 | blast007 | AAA_awright: what happens when you want to update a single map? |
| 02:37.46 | AAA_awright | Update a single map? |
| 02:37.53 | AAA_awright | Or single server? |
| 02:37.58 | blast007 | map file |
| 02:38.08 | AAA_awright | On a server? |
| 02:38.36 | blast007 | if a single process is running 10 maps and servers |
| 02:38.51 | AAA_awright | You close the child process for that server, and re-start it. It will re-register itself with the parent process and start working again. |
| 02:39.04 | blast007 | I still say that's a waste of time |
| 02:39.06 | a_meteorite | sounds.. uh, hackish? |
| 02:39.11 | jude- | use a semaphore or a mutex to lock the process, reload the map, and unlock it? |
| 02:39.20 | blast007 | what real benefit does that give us? seriously? |
| 02:39.45 | AAA_awright | The ability to run multiple games on one port. A HUGE benefi . |
| 02:39.59 | bremac | not really |
| 02:40.04 | bremac | just mangling the idea of ports |
| 02:40.31 | AAA_awright | bzflag protocol is only supposed to be running on one port, ideally. It is only registered for port 5154. |
| 02:41.16 | AAA_awright | The iana says if it's not port 5154 is *should* be 49152 or above. |
| 02:41.39 | jude- | what'd be really nice is BZFlag over SSL, to prevent known cheaters from entering certain games |
| 02:42.27 | blast007 | is it even registered? |
| 02:42.39 | AAA_awright | One could start bzfs on an ssl tunnel and another person could start a client on an ssl tunnel. |
| 02:43.00 | blast007 | yeah, it's not even registered, AAA_awright |
| 02:43.00 | AAA_awright | blast007: What registered? |
| 02:43.08 | AAA_awright | Port 5154? |
| 02:43.10 | blast007 | yeah |
| 02:43.13 | AAA_awright | It is |
| 02:43.16 | blast007 | http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 02:43.18 | AAA_awright | http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 02:43.27 | blast007 | ah, there it is |
| 02:43.31 | blast007 | guess it was still loading |
| 02:43.47 | a_meteorite | A SSL tunnel would lag it up a ton.. |
| 02:43.52 | blast007 | still a moot point, AAA_awright |
| 02:44.11 | blast007 | it's the owners server... they know what processes they run |
| 02:45.18 | blast007 | if you think it's such a great idea, discuss it when the devs are actually around :P |
| 02:45.30 | AAA_awright | Yah, at 6 in the morning |
| 02:45.54 | AAA_awright | (I just had to change the topic) |
| 02:49.15 | AAA_awright | I should point out, HTTP allows for the same thing, via the Host: header |
| 02:49.33 | blast007 | yup |
| 02:50.02 | blast007 | this is a game though |
| 02:50.37 | a_meteorite | Let's send a host header! |
| 02:50.40 | AAA_awright | It would benefit from the same thing, using a standard port like we are supposed to |
| 02:50.41 | blast007 | "What server were you on?" "Example.com port 5154... uh... and subserver... 18? 16? crap" |
| 02:50.43 | a_meteorite | Wait, let's make HTTP over UDP! |
| 02:50.48 | bremac | gah |
| 02:50.50 | AAA_awright | ... |
| 02:50.53 | bremac | the horror |
| 02:51.24 | AAA_awright | It isn't that hard to set up. |
| 02:51.29 | blast007 | code it up |
| 02:51.43 | a_meteorite | I hope AAA_awright really didn't take my HTTP over UDP idea serious. |
| 02:51.56 | blast007 | I'd be more interested in someone fixing the connection issues that area already there, though |
| 02:52.13 | bremac | if you really want to stick to one port, the best way would be have a frontend cause a response from a udp port outside the registered range, and continue with subprocesses as is |
| 02:52.28 | bremac | one registered port* |
| 02:52.30 | bremac | sorry |
| 02:53.05 | AAA_awright | Connect me to server:5154. Here you go. We have two servers running, "a" and "b". Transfer me to "b" please. This is server B. I want to be a player. etc... |
| 02:53.39 | AAA_awright | It seemed like a good idea. |
| 02:53.40 | bremac | pretty much |
| 02:54.15 | bremac | at least removes the proxy |
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| 03:29.49 | orthox | you now that Christopher Reeves Wheelchair player is a really nice guy |
| 03:30.37 | orthox | oops that you know... |
| 03:51.56 | Macrosoft | ... |
| 03:52.04 | Macrosoft | ~finishHim |
| 03:52.05 | ibot | /kick Macrosoft fatality! |
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| 06:59.38 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r14871 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (16 files in 11 dirs): |
| 06:59.38 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Preliminary support for materials is working--"ambient", "diffuse", "specular", "emission", and "addTexture" all work internally. |
| 06:59.38 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: As proof-of-concept, the MainMenu class adds a red wall material to the cone object to demonstrate that material references |
| 06:59.38 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: can be loaded, rendered, and saved. Also, fixed a major bug in the bz2object class's ability to load/save angular orientations |
| 06:59.42 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: created *interactively* as opposed to *textually*. |
| 07:18.12 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03judecn * r14872 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (3 files in 2 dirs): bz2object::setRotationZ() should call superclass method Renderable::setRotationZ(), not Renderable::setRotationX(). |
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| 09:51.05 | CBG` | Anyone about? I used newplug.sh, copied the flagStay.cpp contents into my new flagBring.cpp and changed all occurances of flagStay to flagBring. The plugin loads (and there are no errors such as bzfs not recognising the "flagbringzone" in my map which would stop bzfs from starting up if the plugin was broke) but doesn't "work". I can take the flags out of the flagbring zones. |
| 09:51.10 | CBG` | And the "flagbring" zones should work exactly like flagstayzones, all I have done is change the name, nothing else. |
| 10:11.05 | CBG` | Why is making a plugin so damn difficult... geez. |
| 10:13.31 | CBG` | It's like ya'll don't want people to do it. :| |
| 10:22.12 | tannerld | heh |
| 10:26.17 | eTangenT | CBG, maybe it just doesn't like you. |
| 10:28.44 | CBG` | I don't suppose either of you can help...? |
| 10:30.00 | eTangenT | CBG, not right now |
| 10:30.03 | eTangenT | it's 4:30am |
| 10:30.14 | tannerld | Not unless the great plugin God makes his rounds |
| 10:31.28 | eTangenT | In the meantime, I offer you www.xkcd.com to look at. |
| 10:33.31 | eTangenT | Oh sweet, I'll be able to get on CSU's network. |
| 10:33.52 | eTangenT | They said you needed VPN, also that it was ONLY available on Win/Mac |
| 10:33.59 | eTangenT | Ubuntu repositories beg to differ :-\ |
| 10:58.08 | daxxar | Yarr. Yarr. |
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| 14:16.03 | Winny | anyone here running XP on a core 2 duo? |
| 14:17.47 | Epyon | Winny, me |
| 14:17.54 | Winny | how does it run? |
| 14:18.04 | Epyon | all ok |
| 14:18.24 | Epyon | except that when one program hangs it sometime hangs all :/ |
| 14:18.33 | Winny | :o |
| 14:19.05 | Winny | it runs faster then a p4 running XP, you think? |
| 14:21.42 | Winny | 'cause Ive heard odd things about xp on a c2d |
| 14:23.52 | Epyon | Well I love the concurrency :) |
| 14:24.19 | Epyon | It is noticeable especially when switching tasks between huge programs (photoshop/max |
| 14:24.57 | Chestal | even a single core should be significantly faster than any P4 on most things |
| 14:27.33 | Winny | thanks |
| 14:29.05 | Chestal | I have no experience with XP, though. I guess there were some problems with the parallelism the cores provide but you'd think they have been fixed by now |
| 14:32.23 | Winny | you also figure they would have had less bugs in vista when it was released ;) |
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| 14:48.36 | daxxar | Hmm, anyone with some mad autoconf/make skills? How should I go ahead to get the proper LD and CPP-flags for compiling something that uses python? |
| 14:48.46 | daxxar | I'm guessing python-config is helpful? (Given it's "guaranteed" to be available) |
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| 18:47.23 | Winny | eh? |
| 18:47.29 | tannerld | *grass |
| 18:47.30 | Winny | oh |
| 18:47.38 | Winny | I was thinking BZBB when I saw BZWB |
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| 19:30.22 | wanda | ping JeffM ... or other developer ... pse look at http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/655964 // plugins dont compile any more |
| 19:36.11 | JeffM | ahh, yeah spelling change |
| 19:38.06 | JeffM | well errors in optional components |
| 19:39.17 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14873 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/weaponArena/weaponArena.cpp: it's evenT data not even data |
| 19:40.18 | JeffM | that shoudl fix that one, were there any others? |
| 19:55.18 | JeffM | anyone know what the deal is with this __attribute__ ((__format__ (__printf__, 1, 2))); thing? |
| 19:56.41 | JeffM | daxxar, seems you implemented it, you arround? |
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| 20:06.17 | JeffM | or everyone is at lunch |
| 20:06.24 | JeffM | or deaded |
| 20:07.34 | eTangenT | hi |
| 20:10.16 | tannerld | oooo |
| 20:10.19 | JeffM | well that's good |
| 20:10.24 | L4m3r | I'm here, but I have no idea |
| 20:10.26 | L4m3r | :P |
| 20:10.31 | eTangenT | :o |
| 20:10.41 | eTangenT | that darn L4m3r |
| 20:11.14 | L4m3r | it's a nerdy job, but someone's gotta do it. |
| 20:11.35 | JeffM | I'm just going to #def it out |
| 20:11.48 | JeffM | cus I don't know what it does and makes plug-ins not build on VC71 |
| 20:12.04 | JeffM | I'm guessing there is some header that BZFS includes that the plugins don't |
| 20:16.08 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14874 10/trunk/bzflag/ (3 files in 3 dirs): don't do the __atribute__ stuff on windows, it dosn't compile inside the plugins. if it needs another header to work, then bzfsAPI.h needs to include that header so it can be stand alone. |
| 20:17.51 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14875 10/trunk/bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h plugins/plugin_utils/plugin_utils.h): take the ; out of the _ATTRIBUTE defines, so the code doesn't look so WACKY |
| 20:18.05 | zero^ | lol |
| 20:20.58 | JeffM | I guess it's just for warnings |
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| 21:02.05 | JeffM | a_meteorite, any other API events you needed? |
| 21:02.32 | blast007 | bz_ExplodeCheatersMonitor() |
| 21:02.39 | JeffM | tjat |
| 21:02.40 | JeffM | that' |
| 21:02.47 | JeffM | that's a method, not an event ;) |
| 21:02.54 | JeffM | bz_eBastardIsCheatingEvent |
| 21:02.57 | a_meteorite | blast007: implementing now in fact, though tracking wings cheats is proving hard |
| 21:02.58 | blast007 | close enough, it would cause an event though ;) |
| 21:03.03 | JeffM | and bz_BastardIsCheatingEventData |
| 21:03.47 | blast007 | is there an event that is triggered when a player is kicked or banned? (either by a poll or by a cop/admin) |
| 21:04.31 | a_meteorite | yes |
| 21:04.43 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.43 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.43 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.06 | blast007 | k |
| 21:05.39 | blast007 | does the kick event fire if they get kicked for, say, going out of bounds or moving too fast? |
| 21:05.50 | JeffM | the flag reset event should let you set flag spawns now |
| 21:05.57 | JeffM | I think it's tied to the core "kick" func |
| 21:05.59 | JeffM | let me check |
| 21:06.25 | a_meteorite | JeffM: did you get a flag reset event? (can pass back what type) |
| 21:06.37 | JeffM | you can't set the type, you can set the postion |
| 21:06.51 | JeffM | there are issues with changing flag types |
| 21:07.10 | JeffM | types are set at the start |
| 21:07.14 | blast007 | hmm |
| 21:07.30 | blast007 | -s and +s must do stuff a little different then |
| 21:07.47 | a_meteorite | no, I mean, when a /flag reset happens.. or when a flag is respawned |
| 21:08.02 | a_meteorite | (and what type of flag reset it was in the data for that event) |
| 21:08.02 | JeffM | both |
| 21:08.15 | JeffM | you'll get one at the start for each flag |
| 21:08.17 | JeffM | that's the spawn |
| 21:08.19 | a_meteorite | oh |
| 21:08.25 | JeffM | then you'll get one each time a flag is reset |
| 21:08.33 | JeffM | ether by drop and zap, or by flag reset |
| 21:08.33 | a_meteorite | that event already exists? |
| 21:08.42 | JeffM | it was added for you this weekend |
| 21:08.43 | blast007 | a_meteorite: jeff made it last night iirc |
| 21:08.49 | JeffM | again, read the commit messages |
| 21:08.53 | a_meteorite | oh great |
| 21:08.57 | blast007 | CIA has lovely logs |
| 21:09.01 | a_meteorite | I know |
| 21:09.04 | JeffM | there is also a mailing list |
| 21:09.53 | JeffM | blast007, no it seems it's only called from a real kick |
| 21:10.00 | JeffM | the out of bounds just calls remove player |
| 21:10.22 | JeffM | you'll get a part event for out of bounds |
| 21:10.28 | JeffM | with the reason being "out of bounds" |
| 21:11.42 | JeffM | sf site |
| 21:11.52 | a_meteorite | yeah. looking where. :) |
| 21:12.00 | a_meteorite | there we go, mailing lists.. |
| 21:14.08 | a_meteorite | does "Would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest?" mean instead of an e-mail for each commit, I get one for the whole day? |
| 21:14.20 | JeffM | yes |
| 21:14.43 | a_meteorite | signed up :) |
| 21:15.11 | JeffM | cool something else you can ignore ;) |
| 21:15.38 | a_meteorite | most of the time I actually watch my e-mail |
| 21:16.03 | a_meteorite | I haven't found a decent mac os x rss reader, that would be nice (since cia supports tha) |
| 21:16.09 | Winny | are you one of those freaks like me that has the notifier on the desktop and jumps into gmail whenever one arrives? |
| 21:16.12 | a_meteorite | yes |
| 21:18.26 | a_meteorite | great, a flag reset event.. hmm |
| 21:20.48 | Winny | why does discoverychannel.ca have the WORST website ever? |
| 21:22.52 | a_meteorite | nice, I see the bz_FlagResetEventData :) |
| 21:29.25 | JeffM | the pos will be set to where we want to spawn it, you can change it if you want. |
| 21:30.31 | a_meteorite | sweet |
| 21:31.33 | JeffM | that right there is something you could not do with a packet based interface |
| 21:31.46 | a_meteorite | true |
| 21:32.18 | JeffM | since if you modifed the flag spawn postion when you sent out the update, the internal server state would not pick up your change, so the next person that joined would see the flag in a difrent place |
| 21:33.37 | a_meteorite | I noticed the inter-plugin communication (get|set)clipField, is there a way you could expand that to support custom classes/types (void *), and provide an event for when a field is updated? |
| 21:33.58 | JeffM | you can't send pointers across, that would be bad |
| 21:34.03 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 21:34.38 | JeffM | you may have diferent versions of the runtimes have allocated it |
| 21:35.03 | TD-Linux | a_meteorite, I heard safari is a good RSS reader |
| 21:35.07 | a_meteorite | didn't think of that |
| 21:35.24 | a_meteorite | TD-Linux: I know, I've used it, but it is.. simplistic compared to a "real" RSS reader |
| 21:36.01 | a_meteorite | JeffM: what about providing an event when a clip field is set? |
| 21:36.08 | JeffM | that is simple |
| 21:36.10 | JeffM | I'm doing it now |
| 21:36.13 | a_meteorite | ok |
| 21:36.15 | JeffM | it won't be an event |
| 21:36.21 | JeffM | it'll be a callback you install |
| 21:36.27 | a_meteorite | alrighty |
| 21:56.30 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14876 10/trunk/bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx): |
| 21:56.30 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: add notification callbacks for when plug-in clip fields are changed |
| 21:56.30 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: BZF_API bool bz_addClipFieldNotifyer ( const char *name, bz_ClipFiledNotifer *cb ); |
| 21:56.30 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: BZF_API bool bz_removeClipFieldNotifyer ( const char *name, bz_ClipFiledNotifer *cb ); |
| 21:56.30 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: use a field name of "" for notification of any field change. |
| 21:56.39 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14877 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx): |
| 21:56.39 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: add notification callbacks for when plug-in clip fields are changed |
| 21:56.39 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: BZF_API bool bz_addClipFieldNotifyer ( const char *name, bz_ClipFiledNotifer *cb ); |
| 21:56.39 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: BZF_API bool bz_removeClipFieldNotifyer ( const char *name, bz_ClipFiledNotifer *cb ); |
| 21:56.41 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: use a field name of "" for notification of any field change. |
| 21:56.52 | JeffM | there ya go |
| 21:58.10 | JeffM | just make sure you remove your callbacks when you unload |
| 22:02.23 | a_meteorite | uh, s/Notifyer/Notifier/ :) |
| 22:02.45 | a_meteorite | thanks though, gonna try that out as soon as I'm done having lunch |
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| 22:07.20 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14878 10/trunk/bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx): stupid English |
| 22:08.54 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r14879 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx): stupid English |
| 22:11.12 | CBG` | JeffM: ping |
| 22:11.15 | JeffM | ? |
| 22:11.59 | CBG` | I created a new plugin "flagBring" with newplug.sh and copied the source of flagStay into flagBring.cpp changing all occurances of flagStay to flagBring. |
| 22:12.25 | CBG` | It compiles and runs without complaining about my "flagbringzone"s. But they don't work... I can take flags out of them... |
| 22:13.20 | JeffM | and you left the logic the same? |
| 22:13.35 | CBG` | yeah. all I did to that source was a find and replace. |
| 22:13.44 | a_meteorite | ~JeffM++ |
| 22:13.56 | JeffM | did you change the name of the map object? |
| 22:14.38 | CBG` | Yep. I changed all occurances of flagStay to flagBring. It complains and halts bzfs if I try to load a map with flagstayzones, but loads fine with flagbringzones |
| 22:17.50 | JeffM | well you'll have to step thru the code in a debuger and see where it's failing |
| 22:20.00 | JeffM | cus if you did all you said you did, then it should work |
| 22:20.14 | JeffM | I'm guessing something didn't get changed, or something got changed that wasn't suposed to be |
| 22:20.17 | CBG` | Can you suggest an app for Tiger? |
| 22:20.31 | JeffM | xcode or gdb are the only 2 I know |
| 22:21.01 | JeffM | I can look at your code if you'd like |
| 22:21.07 | CBG` | Preferably free. :) |
| 22:21.07 | JeffM | but you should learn how to debug |
| 22:21.09 | CBG` | ah, xcode'll work. |
| 22:21.30 | CBG` | Hmm, that would be nice... 90% of the "Debug" menu is greyed out. :| |
| 22:21.32 | JeffM | you have to build it with debug info |
| 22:21.38 | CBG` | oh |
| 22:21.58 | CBG` | the file is at: http://cbg.sh.nu:10000/flagBring.cpp |
| 22:22.48 | JeffM | once again, you have screwed the pooch with cases |
| 22:22.48 | JeffM | this is not valid |
| 22:22.48 | JeffM | flagBringZoneHandlerflagBringZoneHandler; |
| 22:23.07 | JeffM | you can't make an object that is named the same as your class name |
| 22:23.27 | JeffM | your search and replace must not check for case |
| 22:23.28 | CBG` | does case matter? |
| 22:23.31 | CBG` | right |
| 22:23.36 | JeffM | in C, ohh YEAH |
| 22:23.36 | CBG` | probably not. that must be it. |
| 22:23.47 | CBG` | In your flagStay, it's "FlagStayZoneHandlerflagStayZoneHandler;" |
| 22:23.47 | JeffM | look at how the EventHandler is done |
| 22:24.05 | JeffM | see how the class is EventHandler, the object is eventHandler |
| 22:24.21 | CBG` | ah, ok |
| 22:24.28 | JeffM | seriously, learn the C basics.. please |
| 22:24.54 | JeffM | This isn't the first time Iv'e seen this error, and IIRC it was from you last time |
| 22:25.08 | CBG` | I've not seen any code in the bz source that looks much like "basic C", to be honest. |
| 22:25.18 | JeffM | C++ contains basic C |
| 22:25.26 | JeffM | so it follows the same case rules |
| 22:25.34 | CBG` | I didn't say otherwise. |
| 22:25.56 | JeffM | bz includes a lot of C style code |
| 22:26.10 | CBG` | And you've not helped me diagnose this problem before, though we have talked about it previously. |
| 22:26.20 | JeffM | I've seen that exact same problem |
| 22:26.23 | JeffM | maybe it wasn't you |
| 22:26.33 | JeffM | somone did a search and replace and had the same thing |
| 22:26.41 | JeffM | mabye it was that german guy |
| 22:28.40 | CBG` | To me, basic C is stuff like... int x=0; while(x<3) {x++;} |
| 22:29.04 | JeffM | that is part of it |
| 22:29.18 | JeffM | it's also knowing that int X; is not the same as int x; |
| 22:29.18 | CBG` | All I see is a whole truck load of functions which could be doing absolutely anything for all I know. |
| 22:29.28 | JeffM | the language is more then the functions |
| 22:29.42 | JeffM | this is the problems with people who jump in and don't learn the basiscs ;) |
| 22:30.03 | CBG` | I made a mistake, sure. Didn't think to uncheck the "ignore case" box on the Find window. You never made a mistake? :) |
| 22:30.19 | JeffM | never said it was a bad thing |
| 22:30.30 | JeffM | just offering my opinion on what you should learn more of ;) |
| 22:30.43 | JeffM | and a statement that I've seen it offten |
| 22:30.50 | JeffM | with people who seem to jump ahead |
| 22:31.02 | JeffM | if it wasn't you that asked last time, then I'm sure you'll remember it next time |
| 22:31.07 | CBG` | I've learnt the basics of C++, variables, math, loops, etc. |
| 22:31.11 | CBG` | If I was jumping ahead, you think I'd still be just copying and pasting your code? |
| 22:31.15 | a_meteorite | Pointers, ftw |
| 22:31.27 | JeffM | CBG`, yeah cus you may not know the bzflag API |
| 22:31.38 | JeffM | maybe it was a_meteorite that had the issue. |
| 22:31.44 | CBG` | All I'm trying to do at the moment is change the freaking name of an existing plugin. That's a baby step in my book. |
| 22:31.47 | JeffM | I don't remember :) |
| 22:31.55 | a_meteorite | I don't think so... I use newplug.sh :) |
| 22:31.58 | JeffM | yeah case is totaly important |
| 22:32.08 | CBG` | a_meteorite: me too. |
| 22:32.10 | a_meteorite | And just go from there |
| 22:32.41 | JeffM | I could swear it was the same plugin too |
| 22:33.04 | JeffM | but then more then one person has copied that one, so it is likely I am mistaken |
| 22:35.35 | JeffM | what'd be cool is if we could make a plugin VC app wizard that would ask you what events you want to handle then it would generate the base code for you :) |
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| 22:36.32 | CBG` | heh |
| 22:36.48 | CBG` | Ok, re-compiling. |
| 22:36.56 | CBG` | Thanks, JeffM. I do appreciate it. :) |
| 22:37.07 | JeffM | no prob |
| 22:37.21 | CBG` | Maybe, just maybe, soon I'll be asking how to fire World Weaps with a plugin... :P |
| 22:37.54 | CBG` | Ah, I re-ran autogen.sh and configure.ac.... I couldda just run make this time, right? |
| 22:38.49 | JeffM | yeah you can just redo the make |
| 22:38.58 | JeffM | firing the weaps is easy, it's just one function |
| 22:39.05 | JeffM | aming them.. that's the trick :) |
| 22:42.49 | CBG` | Gah, still same problem... Loads fine, doesn't stop me taking flags out of an area. :( |
| 22:43.07 | JeffM | update the code on your site, I'll look again |
| 22:43.14 | JeffM | I just stoped at the first thing I saw |
| 22:43.20 | CBG` | Yep, it's updated. |
| 22:44.34 | JeffM | are you the only player? |
| 22:44.38 | CBG` | yep |
| 22:44.44 | JeffM | that may be the issue |
| 22:44.49 | CBG` | oh |
| 22:45.02 | JeffM | IIRC, your client dosn't send out updates unless there is more then one player |
| 22:45.21 | JeffM | a flaw we need to change for 2.1 |
| 22:46.19 | JeffM | cus the code looks ok after a quick eval |
| 22:46.47 | CBG` | Hmm, still no luck with 2 clients... |
| 22:47.18 | JeffM | well you can ether run it in a debuger, or add some printf lines to make sure what events it's geting |
| 22:47.24 | JeffM | see if it's reading the map right, etc.. |
| 22:47.59 | CBG` | ok |
| 22:48.30 | JeffM | was the other "player" a local bot? |
| 22:49.31 | CBG` | another client, yes, but not on autopilot. just driving in a circle |
| 22:50.06 | JeffM | a real client tho? not -solo? |
| 22:50.23 | CBG` | yep |
| 22:50.31 | JeffM | then that shoulda done it |
| 22:51.10 | CBG` | i'm not feeling so great so I think I'll look again tomorrow and try to debug somehow... :) |
| 22:51.13 | CBG` | cheers JeffM |
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| 22:55.47 | JeffM | good luck with it |
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