| 00:03.00 | Tupone | I bet my life anytime I take an aircraft, or drink water ... All software is not guaranteed to be clean. And even if software is .. CPU could not . Just that I don't care that much |
| 00:04.02 | brlcad | yep, some I do .. a package management system is one that I don't think I would :) |
| 00:05.53 | brlcad | the software that goes onto a plane does undergo "massive efforts" too .. on the order of massive amounts of paperwork and testing _per_line_of_code_ |
| 00:06.13 | brlcad | and even then there is usually a fully redundant electronic backup, and a manual override :) |
| 00:06.58 | L4m3r | it seems that more often, human error is to blame in aircraft accidents :) |
| 00:07.13 | brlcad | human error and user interface |
| 00:07.26 | brlcad | go hand in hand of course |
| 00:07.32 | spldart | That and those pesky hydraulic boosters on the rudders of 737's |
| 00:10.40 | CBG | 100%!!! |
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| 00:13.22 | CBG | tried to run make all in bzwb/Debug again....... "/usr/bin/ld: can't locate file for: -losg" :( |
| 00:17.34 | a_meteorite | CBG: did you install osg? |
| 00:19.29 | CBG | ah, fixed that... got new error |
| 00:19.31 | CBG | http://rafb.net/p/fnlzXA83.html |
| 00:22.27 | blast007 | fun |
| 00:22.58 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15476 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (inc/MultiFace.h rules/start.set src/MultiFace.cxx): Chapter one of 'Bugs and Bunnies'. |
| 00:24.14 | Epyon | OMG, somethings wrong! |
| 00:24.22 | Epyon | I must have did something wrong! |
| 00:24.26 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15477 10/trunk/db/bzfls2/ (bzfls.php config.php.template): For all ADD message attempt to connect a socket back to verify that something is running on that port |
| 00:24.33 | Epyon | It ran and didn't crash o.O |
| 00:25.03 | Epyon | Ah yes, I didn't uncomment the test :P |
| 00:27.03 | blast007 | brlcad: should I even have the 'register' and 'confirm' actions in the list server? |
| 00:28.44 | brlcad | what do you mean? |
| 00:28.53 | blast007 | for user registration |
| 00:29.14 | blast007 | do we want that in the list server actions, or as just a seperate web page or module? |
| 00:29.57 | brlcad | shouldn't matter a whole lot, depending on how cleanly the connection is/can be |
| 00:30.07 | brlcad | think of it from what makes sense to the client |
| 00:30.13 | brlcad | for in-game registration |
| 00:30.27 | blast007 | okay |
| 00:30.32 | brlcad | the client hits up a registration link, chatters some protocol, and gets what it needs |
| 00:31.57 | brlcad | what I'd originally planned on was allowing for the usual e-mail registration, but then the client gets back a 2-hour token or something (that is locked one per-I, per-user, per-email (dependently to all)) |
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| 00:32.35 | brlcad | so that players can fill out their details, get a temp token, and play with probationary status of sorts |
| 00:32.55 | brlcad | later then affirming that e-mail |
| 00:33.23 | brlcad | (and locking that IP/user/email to 24 hours per request or somesuch) |
| 00:33.31 | brlcad | until validated |
| 00:33.41 | CBG | brlcad: sorry to interrupt, but my new link above shows an unclear error "collect2: ld returned 1 exit status" :( |
| 00:33.49 | brlcad | ld is the linker |
| 00:33.53 | brlcad | so linking failed |
| 00:33.58 | brlcad | why did linking fail |
| 00:34.30 | CBG | line 212: OpenThreads::Mutex::Mutex() referenced from libosg.11 expected to be defined in libOpenThreads.7.dylib |
| 00:34.39 | brlcad | look at the first error line |
| 00:34.51 | CBG | all lines after that have "something... expected to be defined somewhere..." |
| 00:35.01 | brlcad | /usr/bin/ld: warning can't open dynamic library: libOpenThreads.7.dylib referenced from: /usr/local/lib//libosg.dylib (chec ..... |
| 00:35.09 | brlcad | it can't open your dylibs |
| 00:35.15 | brlcad | all of them it seems |
| 00:35.22 | brlcad | so something is wrong with the install |
| 00:35.27 | CBG | :( |
| 00:35.32 | blast007 | the // worries me ;) |
| 00:35.34 | brlcad | or the build, either way, something is messed up |
| 00:35.42 | blast007 | maybe they're in a subdirectory? |
| 00:35.49 | blast007 | CBG: find libosg.dylib |
| 00:36.11 | brlcad | i suspect he just put -L/usr/local/lib/ instead of -L/usr/local/lib |
| 00:36.17 | brlcad | that wouldn't cause the error |
| 00:36.18 | blast007 | k |
| 00:36.55 | brlcad | it's a symlink to a file that it's saying doesn't exist |
| 00:37.02 | CBG | you mean, the line in the objects.mk file? |
| 00:37.12 | brlcad | /usr/bin/ld: warning can't open dynamic library: libOpenThreads.7.dylib referenced from: /usr/local/lib//libosg.dylib (chec... |
| 00:37.19 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15478 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (rules/start.set src/MultiFace.cxx): Another bunny |
| 00:37.48 | CBG | I have "LIBS := -lfltk -lfltk_images -losg -losgViewer -lfltk_gl -framework OpenGL" because last time we talked (friday?) you said to just remove the -L stuff |
| 00:37.49 | blast007 | oh, so it can find libosg.dylib |
| 00:37.55 | brlcad | right |
| 00:37.57 | blast007 | but not libOpenThreads.7.dylib |
| 00:38.23 | brlcad | CBG: see all of those warning lines? |
| 00:38.32 | brlcad | those libs are missing or installed wrong |
| 00:38.36 | CBG | lines 4-8? |
| 00:38.39 | brlcad | yep |
| 00:39.00 | brlcad | perhaps modules of OSG that aren't installed |
| 00:39.24 | brlcad | reread their install instructions, I think you missed some step(s) |
| 00:39.29 | CBG | I completed the instructions for osg and didn't see any errors |
| 00:39.46 | CBG | not many to miss....: cd OpenSceneGraph, ./configure, make, sudo make install |
| 00:40.28 | brlcad | at least so you think, and lo and behold it's not installed right :) |
| 00:40.49 | CBG | i did what the readme said. what more can I do? :( |
| 00:40.49 | brlcad | look for modules, check the configure help, check readme docs |
| 00:41.01 | brlcad | check the install file |
| 00:41.08 | brlcad | check their wiki |
| 00:41.13 | brlcad | plenty to do |
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| 00:54.31 | L4m3r | brlcad, new plugin |
| 00:54.41 | L4m3r | rabbit timer |
| 00:54.46 | CBG | seems I need OpenThreads and Producer to install OSG. But the OpenThreads readme says to install it with "gmake"... "-bash: gmake: command not found" :( |
| 00:55.37 | L4m3r | It sets a maximum time a rabbit can wait between kills... so if they hide, they get nuked |
| 00:55.56 | L4m3r | mind if I add it to 2.0 SVN? |
| 00:56.33 | L4m3r | also a bug in the API I'm gonna try to track down... |
| 00:57.40 | brlcad | i don't mind, though kinda nasty plugin .. isn't the point of being a hunted rabbit to hide and not be found? :) |
| 00:57.43 | spldart | Someone doesn't like bunny ST's |
| 00:57.58 | L4m3r | brlcad: you don't get any points for hiding :) |
| 00:58.04 | L4m3r | you only get points for kills |
| 00:58.11 | brlcad | maybe they don't care about points |
| 00:58.18 | brlcad | or are just really patient |
| 00:58.34 | L4m3r | either way, it slows down the game and pisses the hunters off :P |
| 00:58.54 | brlcad | that's the hunters fault if they suck :) |
| 00:58.56 | spldart | Kinda ironic.... |
| 00:59.00 | L4m3r | and it's not really fair when a rabbit, say, flies away with WG, hides with OO, etc etc. |
| 00:59.14 | spldart | hunters are suppossed to be very very patient... they hunting wabbit... hehehehehehee |
| 00:59.17 | brlcad | i'd more appreciate a plugin that ridicules the hunters for sucking or not coordinating :) |
| 00:59.25 | L4m3r | heh |
| 00:59.29 | spldart | :) |
| 00:59.36 | L4m3r | well, this is a quick one for mofo's "week of the rabbit hunt" |
| 00:59.49 | brlcad | you got N folks going after _1_ .. it's not rocket science :) |
| 00:59.58 | Winny | ~a_meteorite++ |
| 01:00.07 | L4m3r | heh, I can't wait for the friendly fire option in 2.2 |
| 01:00.13 | L4m3r | that will help rabbit hunt A LOT |
| 01:00.17 | brlcad | here ya go.. |
| 01:00.24 | brlcad | after N minutes |
| 01:00.39 | brlcad | the plugin kills all the hunters, and makes someone else rabbit |
| 01:00.50 | brlcad | giving the rabbit bonus points |
| 01:00.54 | brlcad | make them work for it |
| 01:01.07 | L4m3r | can't do the bonus points |
| 01:01.13 | brlcad | else reward for a good job instead of taking it away |
| 01:01.32 | brlcad | i mean credit him for all the kills, that should be doable |
| 01:01.44 | brlcad | or even just one kill, then transfer |
| 01:01.45 | L4m3r | on most servers I've seen, a "good job" constitutes kicking ass, not being a coward :P |
| 01:02.14 | brlcad | that's not being a coward, that's being freaking smart if they're the ones that survive |
| 01:02.21 | spldart | mofo?!?!?!!?! rabbit hunt??? |
| 01:02.30 | L4m3r | there's something to be said for hiding and using the element of surprise, but not just hiding :P |
| 01:02.40 | brlcad | there's no difference |
| 01:02.50 | brlcad | element of surprise might mean waiting for just the right moment |
| 01:03.01 | brlcad | which might not happen but once every hour kind of thing |
| 01:03.10 | brlcad | that'd be a great hiding spot |
| 01:03.12 | L4m3r | no one's gonna search for an hour :P |
| 01:03.21 | blast007 | autopilot will |
| 01:03.22 | brlcad | exactly, that's why you'd need coordination |
| 01:03.27 | blast007 | ;) |
| 01:03.33 | brlcad | the maps aren't that big |
| 01:03.41 | brlcad | especially if there are decent weapons |
| 01:03.45 | L4m3r | some of them are... ever play at sleepycows? |
| 01:03.58 | L4m3r | Temple of Ire rabbit hunt? that was a piece of work |
| 01:04.08 | brlcad | three tanks with SW can pretty much cover a map in about a minute |
| 01:04.16 | a_meteorite | there was this one lame server ran by yourmom, iirc |
| 01:04.18 | brlcad | working together, of course |
| 01:04.20 | a_meteorite | he ran rabbit hunt on that. it pwned. |
| 01:04.33 | a_meteorite | I hid for half an hour going in and out with ST, no one even noticed |
| 01:04.41 | L4m3r | Temple of Ire was Aribeth's server... |
| 01:04.45 | L4m3r | back in the day |
| 01:05.11 | a_meteorite | if they got remotely close to me, I popped them. none of the hunters could work together on my location. |
| 01:05.11 | L4m3r | eventually someone (thumper I think) made a bzfs patch that fired PZ shots at a stealthed rabbit hiding in the tower |
| 01:05.16 | a_meteorite | </self type="plug" /> |
| 01:05.27 | Thumper_ | wasn't me |
| 01:05.35 | brlcad | fess up |
| 01:05.41 | L4m3r | maybe it was nidhoggr? who knows |
| 01:06.05 | Thumper_ | the only PZ bullets I did was the olympic server patch for > 50m altitude |
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| 01:06.25 | Thumper_ | and actually that wasn't done by me either -- it was jpa |
| 01:06.30 | brlcad | i still think the rabbit should be rewarded if they're not captured.. that is the nature of the mode, N against 1, try to stay alive while the N try to shoot you, bonus if you get to pop any of them in the process |
| 01:08.11 | L4m3r | So what about cases where someone shops for WG, pops the rabbit, and flies away out of reach? |
| 01:08.52 | blast007 | add more WG to the map |
| 01:08.53 | L4m3r | it's not "outsmarting" the hunters, really |
| 01:08.59 | Thumper_ | or limit wings jump to 1 |
| 01:09.24 | brlcad | yep, that's a map issue |
| 01:09.37 | Epyon | OMG, something scary just happened! |
| 01:09.48 | brlcad | your code compiled? |
| 01:09.50 | blast007 | Epyon: your code worked? |
| 01:09.55 | brlcad | hehe |
| 01:09.59 | spldart | Dude.. Hunters shooting hunters fest on mofo... wow |
| 01:11.02 | L4m3r | well, I guess that's the beauty of plug-ins... optional :P I'm gonna check it in and start fixing the API bug... |
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| 01:16.15 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15479 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (5 files in 3 dirs): WTF! It works o.O |
| 01:16.54 | brlcad | i guess it did compile/work :) |
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| 01:17.06 | brlcad | that is scary sometimes :) |
| 01:17.42 | brlcad | refreshing to code for hours upon end, then have it actually compile and work on the first try .. deep bliss |
| 01:18.19 | L4m3r | I can only imagine |
| 01:18.49 | L4m3r | being able to make something work the same day usually feels quite nice for me :P |
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| 01:19.04 | brlcad | just have to code more and more :) |
| 01:19.18 | brlcad | quantity helps with quality ;) |
| 01:20.19 | Epyon | O.o |
| 01:20.43 | Epyon | Actually there are still some bugs, but the basics compile, run and generate properly o.O |
| 01:20.56 | Epyon | Who wants a screenshot then? :P |
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| 01:23.56 | Epyon | Nobody :( |
| 01:28.18 | brlcad | but i'm not replacing yours in the doc now :) |
| 01:28.25 | brlcad | just 2 pages to go |
| 01:28.53 | spldart | yep... tk orgy in mofo |
| 01:28.55 | brlcad | Epyon: so what would you say "went well or better than expected" for GSoC? |
| 01:29.11 | brlcad | and what was "problematic or a failure" |
| 01:29.24 | Epyon | one moment :) |
| 01:29.59 | brlcad | same questions to l4m3r and daxxar and jude- if he ever wakes up and logs on :) |
| 01:30.22 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r15480 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: Delete the world before creating a new one. We can't live in two. |
| 01:30.36 | brlcad | we .. we .. can't?!? |
| 01:30.37 | brlcad | *sniff* |
| 01:30.47 | Tupone | real and virtual? |
| 01:30.54 | Tupone | not 2 real |
| 01:31.17 | Tupone | :) |
| 01:31.33 | L4m3r | oof |
| 01:31.34 | Tupone | with this sentence, I'll go sleep |
| 01:31.41 | Tupone | nite |
| 01:31.46 | L4m3r | newplug.sh copes svn info too- how convenient |
| 01:31.52 | L4m3r | copies* |
| 01:32.09 | brlcad | ahh, right |
| 01:32.16 | brlcad | i wrote that script during cvs days |
| 01:32.21 | L4m3r | heh |
| 01:32.31 | Epyon | http://bzflag.chaosforge.org/screenshots/bzfi0056.png |
| 01:33.00 | Epyon | I havn't had time to write some interesting grammars using them, but I'll do that tommorow :D |
| 01:33.01 | Epyon | http://bzflag.chaosforge.org/screenshots/bzfi0057.png |
| 01:33.02 | blast007 | ~Epyon++ |
| 01:33.07 | brlcad | buildings are getting more expensive by the day |
| 01:33.12 | Epyon | And finally -- http://bzflag.chaosforge.org/screenshots/bzfi0058.png |
| 01:33.34 | brlcad | still waiting for the "crap" that you actually find on the top of most buildings :) |
| 01:33.46 | blast007 | lawn chairs |
| 01:33.48 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03L4m3rthanyou * r15481 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ (10 files in 3 dirs): Add the rabbitTimer plug-in |
| 01:33.54 | blast007 | 3 year old christmas lights |
| 01:33.56 | Epyon | OMG, here they go again :P |
| 01:34.01 | brlcad | pools |
| 01:34.04 | Epyon | Blog updated. |
| 01:34.05 | brlcad | air conditioners |
| 01:34.10 | brlcad | antennas |
| 01:34.12 | blast007 | bird poo |
| 01:34.14 | L4m3r | birc crap |
| 01:34.17 | brlcad | power lines |
| 01:34.18 | L4m3r | aww blast beat me |
| 01:34.20 | blast007 | ;D |
| 01:34.21 | Epyon | brlcad, at least you have roofgardens :P |
| 01:34.22 | L4m3r | vents |
| 01:34.25 | brlcad | phone lines |
| 01:34.27 | L4m3r | skylights |
| 01:34.31 | L4m3r | antennas |
| 01:34.31 | brlcad | air vents |
| 01:34.44 | spldart | Tagging |
| 01:35.00 | spldart | ... and assorted graffiti |
| 01:35.00 | L4m3r | greenhouses (you know, for weed) |
| 01:35.07 | spldart | mmMMmm weeeed |
| 01:35.07 | L4m3r | helipads |
| 01:35.35 | L4m3r | ~beer Epyon |
| 01:35.36 | ibot | ACTION pours a litre of Spaten Optimater for Epyon |
| 01:35.40 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r15482 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: Well, tell in between that the word is void. |
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| 01:37.28 | Epyon | brlcad, honestly I'd say it went a little worse than expected :P |
| 01:37.55 | Epyon | I was supposed to be at this level that I'm now, the 20th. |
| 01:38.30 | brlcad | not about your progress specifically |
| 01:38.51 | brlcad | what about your "involvement in the program" was good and bad, better and worse than expected |
| 01:39.10 | Epyon | You mean how I enjoyed working with BZFlag? |
| 01:39.16 | brlcad | i'm sure we didn't send you enough beer |
| 01:39.29 | brlcad | because we didn't send any, but then you didn't specifically ask either ;) |
| 01:39.33 | Epyon | :P |
| 01:39.59 | brlcad | if you had to tell your mom what went well and what didn't |
| 01:40.14 | Epyon | Another beer would be cool, but I guess I'll be asleep before it arrives :P |
| 01:40.37 | Epyon | Well, I overestimated the worth of academic papers :P |
| 01:40.51 | brlcad | not getting all your tasks or as far as you wanted might be one, from what you just said |
| 01:40.53 | L4m3r | I'd use my catapult to send you one, but I don't have any |
| 01:41.07 | Epyon | Also I was taken by surprise by many time-eating tasks. |
| 01:41.11 | L4m3r | ...and it'd probably end up in orbit anyway |
| 01:41.24 | Epyon | And overestimated my C++ skills :/ |
| 01:41.43 | Epyon | L4m3r, I can find someone to take it down from there xP |
| 01:41.57 | brlcad | okay, now what about something positive |
| 01:42.24 | Epyon | Positive? Three thing mainly. |
| 01:43.05 | Epyon | 1) I learned a *lot* new stuff. And I learned stuff that I always wanted to learn. I finally am doing progress and research in the direction I want to study. |
| 01:43.52 | Epyon | 2) The community around the IRC channel is great, commiting to the channel is exceptionaly cool :P |
| 01:44.07 | Epyon | 3) Hell, it's a helluva fun now xP. |
| 01:44.25 | brlcad | heh, great thanks |
| 01:45.23 | Epyon | AD.1 -> I also learned about project management, and finally learned to value version control :P |
| 01:46.07 | Epyon | Not to mention "a couple of things" about multi-platform deployment. |
| 01:46.26 | Epyon | Oh, and I stopped hating C/C++ xP |
| 01:46.39 | Epyon | It has it's moments xP |
| 01:50.07 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03l4m3rthanyou * r15483 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Whoops, someone forgot to set the 'time' member when calling bz_ePlayerDieEvent. Fixed. |
| 01:50.48 | L4m3r | hopefully that's the only one... I don't feel like testing them all :P |
| 01:54.51 | JeffM | blast007, oddly enough, airspawn IS documented ;) |
| 01:57.58 | JeffM | and is there a cleanup tag for the wiki? |
| 01:59.58 | Constitution | Epyon: nice improvements... that last screenshot actually looks kind of like a college campus I know of. |
| 02:00.23 | Epyon | Constitution :) |
| 02:01.06 | Epyon | These are not yet enabled by default. Still need some testing and improvement. |
| 02:01.58 | Constitution | compare the building at the bottom to http://www.phc.edu/HPP4.jpg :) |
| 02:02.44 | Epyon | xP |
| 02:03.04 | Epyon | Such buildings will yet be seen in bzwgen xP |
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| 02:35.23 | blast007 | is there a specific reason why the bz token is strictly digits? |
| 02:35.42 | JeffM | fung shue |
| 02:36.00 | blast007 | :) |
| 02:36.13 | JeffM | probalby just simplest to create and ensure is unique |
| 02:36.14 | blast007 | from what it seems, it's handled as a string anyway |
| 02:36.50 | blast007 | gonna be a 10 digit hex string now ;) |
| 02:38.04 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15484 10/trunk/db/bzfls2/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 02:38.04 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Add 'tokenipaddress' to players table |
| 02:38.04 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Update DataLayer::Player_Update_ByUsername so it doesn't need every column passed to it |
| 02:38.04 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Implement the ability to obtain tokens by both the LIST and GETTOKEN actions |
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| 03:05.21 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15485 10/trunk/db/bzfls2/ (bzfls.php includes/functions.validation.php): Switch to using 'username' instead of 'callsign'. Maintain support for callsign in LIST and GETTOKEN for 2.0.x and other resources that rely on callsign. |
| 03:07.32 | Winny | ~Constitution++ |
| 03:10.48 | AAA_awright | blast007: We are supposed to be switching to callsign *from* username |
| 03:11.22 | blast007 | says who? |
| 03:11.58 | AAA_awright | Whyd you have to say, that, now I have to say "me" |
| 03:12.07 | blast007 | heh |
| 03:12.21 | blast007 | 21:06:12 <blast007> eventually we might have multiple callsigns per username (username being tied directly to an account) |
| 03:12.37 | blast007 | this is phase 1 of that step |
| 03:12.40 | AAA_awright | Link callsigns for that case then |
| 03:12.42 | AAA_awright | It... |
| 03:12.50 | AAA_awright | Actually that might be a good idea |
| 03:13.04 | AAA_awright | How would private mail be handled? |
| 03:13.36 | blast007 | you could send PMs to any callsign, and it would go to that user's account |
| 03:13.39 | AAA_awright | For security, if you login with a seperate name then what you display, it is that much harder to log in |
| 03:13.51 | AAA_awright | How would you send private mail from one account? |
| 03:14.06 | AAA_awright | From a callsign? You would see the different "to" headers? |
| 03:14.10 | blast007 | there's several ways we could handle stuff |
| 03:14.13 | blast007 | yeah, that's one way |
| 03:14.32 | blast007 | Tibia (a different game) has account numbers, and multiple players can be assigned to that account |
| 03:14.45 | blast007 | then, when you go to their forum, there's a pulldown box for your player names |
| 03:14.51 | blast007 | (when you're posting) |
| 03:14.58 | AAA_awright | Freenode has a pretty good system, you have a master account, and the slave accounts forward activity to whatever account is logged into at the time, or the master account if not |
| 03:14.59 | blast007 | and that's just one implementation |
| 03:15.10 | blast007 | yup |
| 03:15.13 | blast007 | that would work too |
| 03:15.14 | AAA_awright | I would prefer that. It needs thought though. |
| 03:15.27 | blast007 | it's just a matter of what we'll support with stuff like phpBB |
| 03:15.36 | AAA_awright | BZFlag works totally differently, it may not be the best. |
| 03:16.06 | blast007 | I think you can do aliases with OpenLDAP |
| 03:16.38 | blast007 | AAA_awright: old clients could work like they do now, and pass a "callsign" value that we link back to the username |
| 03:16.39 | AAA_awright | I would just recommend for now, if something like that happens, we need to start using the same title *now*. weblogin.php, phpbb both use "username", and bzflag uses "callsign" |
| 03:17.05 | blast007 | it'll need some planning of how stuff will work, yes |
| 03:17.35 | blast007 | worst case, this is pretty much a search&replace away from being back to 'callsign' |
| 03:17.44 | AAA_awright | Nevermind, I realised why a seperate login username and display callsign wouldn't work |
| 03:18.16 | AAA_awright | How would you select what callsign to use when logging in with any given username? We go back to the 1.7 era of not knowing who is logged in. |
| 03:18.31 | AAA_awright | Rather, who is who, we would know who is logged in. |
| 03:18.57 | blast007 | AAA_awright: that would be pointed back to the main account |
| 03:19.22 | blast007 | for example, if we're using MySQL, have a userid next to each callsign in a callsigns table |
| 03:19.33 | blast007 | on LDAP, have an alias pointing back to the main user account |
| 03:19.53 | AAA_awright | The only reason I have ever seen a seperate login/display username is because of the security |
| 03:20.08 | blast007 | then you must not play any MMOs |
| 03:20.21 | AAA_awright | I know how it works on WoW |
| 03:20.52 | AAA_awright | One username, multiple characters you choose *after* you log in. That would not work IF we keep the current menu system |
| 03:20.56 | blast007 | guild wars I log in with a username/password (or maybe it's an email addy and a password), then it brings up your characters, and you pick one or create a new one |
| 03:21.05 | blast007 | AAA_awright: who said anything about keeping it? ;) |
| 03:21.13 | AAA_awright | I kinda like the simplicity |
| 03:22.26 | AAA_awright | blast007: How would you re-arrange the menu to support that? |
| 03:23.24 | blast007 | have a "Log In" menu first |
| 03:23.33 | blast007 | they would log in with a username and a password |
| 03:24.50 | blast007 | I'd like something where the user could see what players are on the server, and what team they are on |
| 03:24.51 | AAA_awright | Currently the join server and find server actions log in for you, you wouldn't want to make that a seperate action |
| 03:24.59 | blast007 | and THEN pick a color |
| 03:25.25 | AAA_awright | It needs to go fast, you could have a special menu for that though |
| 03:25.29 | blast007 | AAA_awright: currently, those two actions don't use the actions they were supposed to use |
| 03:25.44 | blast007 | GETTOKEN is never used by the client |
| 03:25.50 | AAA_awright | ? |
| 03:25.51 | blast007 | nor is CHECKTOKENS used by the server |
| 03:26.02 | blast007 | they piggyback them onto LIST and ADD, respectively |
| 03:26.15 | AAA_awright | list? |
| 03:26.19 | blast007 | server list |
| 03:26.33 | blast007 | so whey you join a game, it queryies the LIST action with a username/password |
| 03:26.47 | AAA_awright | That is just a patch, though? |
| 03:26.48 | blast007 | it gets the entire server list, when all it really needs is the first line that contains "TOKEN: 273837428" |
| 03:26.56 | AAA_awright | :S |
| 03:27.31 | blast007 | my current goal is to make it work the same as the old list system |
| 03:27.36 | AAA_awright | It would be neat if it requested a token when you got the server list, that would save it from making that connection when you press Join Server |
| 03:27.54 | blast007 | then I can start on new things (while maintaining compatability) |
| 03:28.17 | blast007 | 1.10 used the new list server, but didn't use global auth |
| 03:28.22 | blast007 | 2.0 added global auth |
| 03:28.43 | AAA_awright | Right now it does a LIST when Join Server is pressed? Or does it use the token it got when you pressed Find Servers? |
| 03:29.03 | blast007 | I think it'll use the one from Find Servers |
| 03:29.25 | blast007 | but I haven't checked too hard into that |
| 03:30.07 | AAA_awright | Oh, cool, it does |
| 03:30.19 | blast007 | but a rejoin will query the full server list again ;) |
| 03:30.33 | AAA_awright | Who thought of that? |
| 03:30.46 | blast007 | apparently it was easier to code |
| 03:30.53 | AAA_awright | I really like that |
| 03:30.56 | AAA_awright | Someone gets karma |
| 03:31.28 | AAA_awright | blast007: If you just accept responsibility... |
| 03:32.58 | AAA_awright | I guess no one did, but keep that in, use the token you get from the LIST if you did a LIST prior to Join Server |
| 03:33.10 | AAA_awright | ~anonymous++ |
| 03:33.51 | AAA_awright | blast007: How would you do dynamic server tracking i.e. Who is on what server? |
| 03:34.36 | blast007 | right, I'm not taking THAT one out, but it would be nice to use GETTOKEN when hitting "Join" :) |
| 03:34.38 | AAA_awright | Would you keep the record of players, who joined and left when? For how long? Or just who is on, delete the record when they leave? |
| 03:35.06 | blast007 | dynamic server tracking? |
| 03:35.12 | blast007 | stats site, you mean? |
| 03:35.26 | AAA_awright | For stats, or like you said, seeing where your friend is. |
| 03:35.45 | blast007 | that would be handled much the way it is now |
| 03:35.54 | AAA_awright | Right now all a person can tell is how many people are on, not who is on. |
| 03:36.04 | AAA_awright | (In real-time) |
| 03:36.09 | blast007 | right |
| 03:36.32 | AAA_awright | Did you want to improve that? I would support that |
| 03:36.38 | blast007 | that's still low priority right now |
| 03:36.51 | blast007 | I have a place in the list server where I would query a server |
| 03:36.55 | AAA_awright | (The same could be said for global chat) |
| 03:37.16 | blast007 | that way it's not a huge MySQL hit every 5 minutes quering servers |
| 03:37.21 | blast007 | it's more staggered |
| 03:37.40 | blast007 | and for servers without players, they only get queried when they send their keep-alive ADD message |
| 03:37.51 | blast007 | (or servers where the players aren't joining/leaving) |
| 03:38.03 | blast007 | I think that's every 15 minutes |
| 03:38.20 | AAA_awright | idk |
| 03:38.25 | blast007 | hmm, though player scores wouldn't be necessarily saved then |
| 03:38.35 | AAA_awright | No. What? |
| 03:38.49 | blast007 | if I only check every 15 minutes, for instance |
| 03:39.02 | blast007 | which I think is when the ADD message is sent at a minimum |
| 03:39.05 | AAA_awright | My stats server doesn't ping servers with no new tanks |
| 03:39.08 | blast007 | maybe it's 30 minutes though |
| 03:39.17 | AAA_awright | Is that the same idea at all |
| 03:39.30 | blast007 | AAA_awright: I suppose that's how the current stats site works then, haven't checked |
| 03:39.41 | blast007 | been a while since I looked at that code |
| 03:39.50 | blast007 | plus it was Perl :P |
| 03:39.59 | AAA_awright | I don't think do. But s.b.o is different then the list server |
| 03:40.06 | AAA_awright | ...right? |
| 03:40.14 | blast007 | yeah |
| 03:40.14 | AAA_awright | Or do they use the same database? |
| 03:40.24 | blast007 | I lose track :) |
| 03:40.30 | blast007 | they won't now |
| 03:40.36 | blast007 | ... probably |
| 03:41.12 | blast007 | I almost want to merge the main site with the stats site |
| 03:42.06 | brlcad | woot, last page! |
| 03:43.12 | AAA_awright | blast007: Servers send ADD *every* time a player joins or exits |
| 03:43.18 | blast007 | right |
| 03:43.20 | AAA_awright | And s.b.o does not look at that database |
| 03:43.27 | L4m3r | I think there's something to be said for keeping the stats site separate |
| 03:43.40 | AAA_awright | the list server is not a stats site |
| 03:44.01 | L4m3r | just so that, if need be, stats can be dumped into a separate db on another server, to avoid bogging down our... realtime services |
| 03:44.18 | AAA_awright | Stats means trends in history, a list server is not interested in history |
| 03:44.45 | AAA_awright | Also, there are people like me who would get left out of stats pushed to them |
| 03:45.01 | AAA_awright | Right now everyone is equal, we can all pull |
| 03:45.38 | AAA_awright | I still like the idea of JOINED/ect... messages to the list server |
| 03:45.47 | AAA_awright | So we can track who is on what server |
| 03:46.05 | AAA_awright | We could to that right now |
| 03:46.17 | blast007 | yeah, something to think about |
| 03:46.21 | AAA_awright | Check up on what server validates what token |
| 03:46.39 | AAA_awright | ... you still need to know when they leave |
| 03:46.45 | blast007 | I'd love to make the stats site only store globally registered users ;) |
| 03:46.55 | AAA_awright | Me too |
| 03:46.59 | blast007 | "Why should I register?" "Here's why! *points to stats*" |
| 03:47.35 | AAA_awright | As for my site, I want to keep registered user data longer (because I keep track of trends based on callsign, problems pop up when people change callsigns) |
| 03:47.38 | blast007 | give the users more for taking the time to registering |
| 03:47.48 | blast007 | yeah |
| 03:48.02 | blast007 | we could store records with the bzid, to track callsign changes |
| 03:48.21 | AAA_awright | I don't keep records for /that/ long. Good idea none the less. |
| 03:48.42 | brlcad | blast007: for profile management and the web servers, I don't think you'd have to worry about players logging in with any profile -- I'd expect them to log in using their username (which can have considerably more constraints than the callsigns too) |
| 03:49.08 | brlcad | but for the client, yeah, the could pick from a number of any profiles that would all tie back to the same account |
| 03:49.11 | blast007 | brlcad: ok |
| 03:49.14 | AAA_awright | I considered creating an OpenID proxy |
| 03:49.29 | AAA_awright | Problem is that WAY too many characters are allowed in callsigns |
| 03:49.51 | blast007 | AAA_awright: again, another reason to seperate callsigns from usernames |
| 03:50.15 | AAA_awright | There are two things to do if we want multiple linked accounts |
| 03:50.26 | AAA_awright | Two good ideas we know of that is |
| 03:50.46 | AAA_awright | We... hm. |
| 03:51.04 | AAA_awright | Would we keep usernames secret? Only use callsigns? |
| 03:51.37 | brlcad | flexibility in callsigns is an implementation luxury that I don't want to go away and I don't think most players want to see go away |
| 03:51.51 | brlcad | in fact I think there just might be a riot if we even did something as simple as no spaces |
| 03:51.59 | blast007 | heh, yeah |
| 03:52.04 | brlcad | and there's no point/benefit (to them) .. it can be handled |
| 03:52.22 | AAA_awright | Agreed. I still like the idea of an OpenID proxy. |
| 03:52.25 | brlcad | and especially if it's tied to a username that really NOBODY would ever half to know about, then it doesn't matter |
| 03:52.35 | brlcad | s/half/have/ |
| 03:52.46 | AAA_awright | How about this: We use a freenode-type linked callsign system |
| 03:53.27 | AAA_awright | with one master callsign, and advanced users can login to their alias callsigns and provide the callsign and password of a master account, then it gets linked. |
| 03:54.17 | AAA_awright | One callsign table, instead of two relational username and callsign tables |
| 03:54.48 | AAA_awright | The one callsign table would still be relational, because some entries point to the same table. |
| 03:55.13 | brlcad | kinda the same thing, except we're calling the master a username |
| 03:55.19 | brlcad | and allowing additional restrictions on it |
| 03:55.36 | AAA_awright | What would you login with? |
| 03:55.46 | brlcad | depends what you're logging in to |
| 03:55.51 | brlcad | to the game, doesn't matter, any of them |
| 03:55.53 | AAA_awright | List all of them off |
| 03:55.58 | AAA_awright | okay |
| 03:56.09 | brlcad | to a web serveice, you'd use your username |
| 03:56.13 | AAA_awright | :s |
| 03:56.32 | brlcad | we can worry about "web-aliases" later, if someone wants to have multiple identities there too |
| 03:56.48 | brlcad | but several of the web services certainly can't handle everything we'd like to allow |
| 03:56.49 | AAA_awright | We *need* the constancy |
| 03:57.03 | brlcad | heck most of the restrictions that we added since 1.7 are because of phpbb |
| 03:57.09 | AAA_awright | On a web service, you can only log in with your master? |
| 03:57.41 | brlcad | for now, that's probably more than enough |
| 03:57.56 | brlcad | especially if you can log in to the game with various profiles |
| 03:58.22 | brlcad | someone could work up a drupal or phpbb module that hooks into the user db for aliases and allows alias management, but it's kinda low-payoff |
| 03:58.51 | blast007 | yeah, I'm not too worried about those |
| 03:59.18 | AAA_awright | The concept of usernames and child callsigns is just way too confusing. Alias callsigns is just something you do after the fact. |
| 03:59.52 | AAA_awright | If you want a system that has usernames and child callsigns, design it so the master callsign is also the username. |
| 04:00.09 | blast007 | AAA_awright: that's something I already said |
| 04:00.12 | AAA_awright | That is what you sugguested, if not similar? |
| 04:00.25 | AAA_awright | You sugguested separate relational tables |
| 04:01.21 | AAA_awright | Idk, it seems to all work the same way depending on how you implement it in the client. |
| 04:02.59 | AAA_awright | In some cases you want seperate callsigns to have seperate privileges not linked together, what do you do then? Just keep seperate registered usernames? |
| 04:03.28 | AAA_awright | Then we go back to the same system we have now. |
| 04:03.57 | AAA_awright | Something to think about. I need to go. |
| 04:06.40 | brlcad | privs go to people, not profiles imho |
| 04:07.29 | brlcad | profiles just provide a different name, perhaps a different team, perhaps different client settings -- but not different permissions, groups, karma/honor/merit/whatever, etc |
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| 04:53.14 | Winny | can -tkkr be set while the server is up? |
| 04:53.23 | Thumper_ | don't think so |
| 04:53.33 | Winny | darn |
| 04:56.53 | AAA_awright | Is that a server variable in 2.1? |
| 04:57.01 | AAA_awright | Can we patch it in in 2.0.9? |
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| 05:04.29 | a_meteorite | AAA_awright: sure, it could be a 2.0.9 patch |
| 05:04.45 | a_meteorite | just check the bzdb whenever a TK is made, so it can be a /set variable |
| 05:05.09 | AAA_awright | Yah. I can work on that. |
| 05:05.17 | a_meteorite | tis easy |
| 05:05.59 | JeffM | is it a server only fucntion? |
| 05:06.24 | AAA_awright | Yes (you don't know that?) |
| 05:06.35 | JeffM | I now it's on the server |
| 05:06.41 | JeffM | but does the client do anything with it as well? |
| 05:06.48 | blast007 | nope |
| 05:06.49 | AAA_awright | I don't think so. |
| 05:06.53 | JeffM | if so, you can't patch it in branch |
| 05:06.56 | JeffM | ok, just make sure |
| 05:06.59 | blast007 | the client doesn't even know about it |
| 05:07.05 | blast007 | JeffM: sure you can |
| 05:07.05 | JeffM | good |
| 05:07.06 | a_meteorite | yeah, the server does the kill |
| 05:07.20 | AAA_awright | Yah, the client doesn't even know the tk ratio |
| 05:07.32 | blast007 | it would just be changing where the server looks for the ratio value |
| 05:07.37 | JeffM | if the client was dependent on it as well, and you changed it life, old clients woudl not get updated, and you'd have compataiblity issues |
| 05:07.44 | JeffM | yeah if it's server only, it's fine |
| 05:07.46 | AAA_awright | Speaking of which, is it possible to seperate the client and server settings? |
| 05:07.49 | JeffM | that's why I asked ;) |
| 05:08.25 | AAA_awright | So clients do ignore settings they have not learned per se? |
| 05:08.47 | blast007 | they store them, but no, they don't use them |
| 05:09.02 | JeffM | the bzdb just stores arbitrary sets of strings |
| 05:09.10 | JeffM | if the client dosn't ask for it, it just sits there |
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| 05:42.49 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15486 10/trunk/db/bzfls2/ (bzfls.php config.php.template): |
| 05:42.49 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Heavily comment the configuration template |
| 05:42.49 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Reuse the token value if there is still enough time left before it expires |
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| 05:55.58 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Add tokenipaddress to functions in the DataLayer |
| 05:55.58 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Compare the token IP before reusing the old token |
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| 06:44.20 | Constitution | ++var is more efficient than var++, right? |
| 06:46.58 | L4m3r | technically |
| 06:47.15 | L4m3r | not really practically |
| 06:47.25 | Constitution | k, thanks |
| 06:47.39 | L4m3r | er, s/practically/significantly |
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| 07:11.35 | brlcad | woo hoo. done |
| 07:12.36 | brlcad | 5270 words, 888 lines, 32995 characters, 10 pages |
| 07:12.55 | L4m3r | I hope you enjoy writing |
| 07:12.59 | L4m3r | :P |
| 07:13.14 | brlcad | not really, I kinda loathe it |
| 07:13.43 | L4m3r | eek |
| 07:13.45 | brlcad | but I do a heck of a lot of it regardless |
| 07:14.00 | L4m3r | I can write stuff like... docs... |
| 07:14.01 | AWOSLappy | brlcad \o/ |
| 07:14.02 | brlcad | and like to think i'm actually kinda good at it |
| 07:14.11 | AWOSLappy | brlcad: now, where can we all read it? :) |
| 07:14.12 | L4m3r | and other sorts of dry, informational junk |
| 07:14.31 | L4m3r | but I suck at writing things that are supposed to be interesting or well-organized |
| 07:14.50 | brlcad | AWOSLappy: oh, it still in alpha form, it'll need at least two proof-readers to go through it before it's shared up to the community |
| 07:16.45 | L4m3r | "If you're looking for sympathy, you can find it in the dictionary betwee--- er, nevermind |
| 07:16.55 | brlcad | i end up writing all sorts of documents for brl-cad, preparing presentations, contracts, reports, papers, and other publications -- keeps me fresh on the verbosity |
| 07:17.27 | brlcad | aside from just having done stuff like this for years |
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| 07:17.34 | L4m3r | Mechanically, I'm actually a very good writer |
| 07:17.35 | brlcad | it's like pulling teeth when you have a cavity |
| 07:17.46 | L4m3r | (though admittedly a HORRIBLE typist) |
| 07:17.48 | brlcad | gotta do it, painful as heck, seemingly takes forever, but feels great when you're done |
| 07:18.15 | L4m3r | it's tedious for me... I obsess over sentence structure and silly things like that |
| 07:18.22 | brlcad | oh, i do to |
| 07:18.35 | L4m3r | and it never feels good when I'm done |
| 07:18.52 | L4m3r | it feels like, "Screw this, it sucks, but it's good enough. I'm done." |
| 07:18.54 | brlcad | i've spent a week -- a solid 40 hours -- on a single paragraph |
| 07:20.22 | brlcad | I know i'm done when I read all the way through it and don't find something I feel like I *have* to change |
| 07:20.59 | L4m3r | heh |
| 07:21.03 | L4m3r | that's one approach |
| 07:21.14 | brlcad | this document, i've just finished pass through #1 .. which involved about 10 reread-throughs |
| 07:21.44 | L4m3r | my last look-over is more like "Hm... stuff missing... too short... no way to pack more BS in here. Oh well." |
| 07:23.14 | brlcad | localized read-throughs, though, so now I get to start from the top, looking for several criteria consecutively -- spelling, punctuation, flow, repetition, alignment, color, grammar, tense, and tone |
| 07:23.43 | brlcad | fun stuff |
| 07:23.48 | brlcad | (not, but necessary) |
| 07:23.49 | L4m3r | I do that as I write |
| 07:24.00 | L4m3r | modification after the fact is usually slight |
| 07:24.06 | AWOSLappy | dang. |
| 07:24.06 | brlcad | i do too, but you will never catch them all that way |
| 07:24.13 | AWOSLappy | I *LOVE* doing that. |
| 07:24.17 | L4m3r | most often at points where I stopped working for a day :P |
| 07:24.25 | AWOSLappy | I am _very_ anal about that stuff. |
| 07:24.37 | AWOSLappy | I correct everyone that I know. and it drives them up the wall. |
| 07:25.00 | AWOSLappy | "that comma should be a semicolon." "it's i-s-e, not i-z-e". |
| 07:25.13 | AWOSLappy | "You already said that two paragraphs ago." |
| 07:25.23 | AWOSLappy | brlcad: so where do I sign up to be an alpha tester? :P |
| 07:25.31 | brlcad | tester? |
| 07:25.45 | brlcad | you mean to proof it? |
| 07:26.27 | brlcad | i'll let you proof it if you want, soon as I finish my first proof (tomorrow) |
| 07:27.06 | AWOSLappy | Yes. |
| 07:27.09 | AWOSLappy | Yay! |
| 07:27.56 | brlcad | i'd like at least two folks to proof, if not three .. it's the equivalence of peer review in code, rather important |
| 07:28.02 | Constitution | what does it mean when my debugger tells me "Previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?)"? |
| 07:28.18 | AWOSLappy | Constitution: the call frame is corrupt |
| 07:29.14 | Constitution | I'm getting one at FontManager::deleteGLFont() |
| 07:29.15 | brlcad | a book I published last year I'd read through at *least* twenty times over from start to finish looking for various criteria (even stepped away and came back to review it days later) .. handed the book over to someone else to proof and they found at least a hundred different issues I'd missed. |
| 07:29.22 | brlcad | Constitution: known issue |
| 07:29.36 | brlcad | jeffy brokedidit |
| 07:29.42 | AWOSLappy | :P |
| 07:29.52 | Constitution | okay |
| 07:29.56 | brlcad | hasn't been fixed yet, feel free to debug it :P |
| 07:30.10 | Constitution | I'm relatively new to the debugger... trying to figure out what this means :) |
| 07:30.24 | brlcad | it means it's crashing in the FontManager |
| 07:30.34 | brlcad | during a deleteGLFont() call |
| 07:30.53 | brlcad | which is probably being made from the class destructor |
| 07:31.06 | brlcad | as it crashes when you quit |
| 07:31.15 | Constitution | yeah... so somehow it's getting a deleteGLFont() call on a bad pointer? |
| 07:31.32 | brlcad | something in deleteGLFont() is bad, or something before it |
| 07:31.44 | brlcad | probably a font that was already deleted having delete called on it |
| 07:31.52 | Constitution | hm, okay |
| 07:32.05 | Constitution | interestingly, when bitmapfonts is turned on, there is no issue |
| 07:32.11 | brlcad | minor issue, just nobody has looked at it yet |
| 07:32.18 | Constitution | and that's one of the checks in deleteGLFont |
| 07:32.39 | daxxar | brlcad: Implementing an interpreter and wrapping the API in SWIG went better than expected. ;-) |
| 07:32.42 | brlcad | step through with the debugger, see if it's something obvious |
| 07:32.47 | brlcad | daxxar: good morning :) |
| 07:32.57 | daxxar | Good morning, brlcad :-) |
| 07:33.19 | daxxar | brlcad: Nothing was a failure, but working with the old bzrobots codebase was at times a bit problematic. |
| 07:33.58 | daxxar | If that's the kind of answer you wanted. |
| 07:34.11 | brlcad | not exactly -- i mean program-wise :) |
| 07:34.20 | brlcad | gsoc |
| 07:34.32 | brlcad | participating, the bigger picture stuff |
| 07:35.11 | brlcad | whether you felt like you got something out of it, or learned something or wasted your time, or whatever |
| 07:37.00 | daxxar | Okay, well, interacting with the community and the mentors went really well, and was a breeze. A pleasant experience, and I felt the whole project was a great trip - as I learnt a lot of things, not just technically. |
| 07:37.17 | [dmp] | and you got more karma too! :) |
| 07:37.19 | brlcad | perfect ;) |
| 07:37.48 | AWOSLappy | ~karma daxxar |
| 07:37.48 | ibot | daxxar has karma of 25 |
| 07:37.54 | AWOSLappy | ~karma AWOSLappy |
| 07:37.54 | ibot | awoslappy has karma of 13 |
| 07:37.57 | AWOSLappy | :o |
| 07:38.02 | AWOSLappy | you have more karma than me! :) |
| 07:38.10 | daxxar | 'twas a bit problematic with the foggyness (sp?) of the supposed mentor/student relationship, when my mentor vanished. Didn't hold back my progress, though, but rather made me a bit confused and frustrated for a time |
| 07:38.35 | daxxar | s/for a/at the/ |
| 07:38.56 | brlcad | edited for diction/spelling ;) |
| 07:39.07 | daxxar | Meep. ;p |
| 07:39.20 | brlcad | yeah, I already got that bit in from an earlier discussion |
| 07:39.31 | brlcad | we needed to be better at communicating |
| 07:40.33 | daxxar | Is this something that Google has requested, or is it for the bzflag community's benefit? |
| 07:49.48 | brlcad | neither and both |
| 07:50.13 | brlcad | google asked for feedback, though they didn't ask for anything quite this detailed |
| 07:51.20 | brlcad | it should be interesting to other projects that may be interested in participating, as well as the bzflag community to know what actually happened, and to others that did participate just to get a different perspective |
| 07:51.55 | brlcad | i figure that if Google is going to throw $20k at our project, the least we can do is given them a decent report |
| 07:55.16 | daxxar | Hehe |
| 07:57.43 | daxxar | Anyway |
| 07:57.49 | daxxar | Heading to lecture, catch you later. :-) |
| 07:57.59 | daxxar | Looking forward to reading your postmortem. :) |
| 07:59.04 | brlcad | still needs lots of proofing, and I'm a bit burnt out tonight |
| 08:00.02 | brlcad | i just keep sitting back in awe that it's actually finally preliminaraily done, bad habit I have with stuff I write |
| 08:00.36 | brlcad | still, tomorrow comes first proof, maybe even finish it if I'm lucky |
| 08:01.12 | daxxar | Hehe |
| 08:01.14 | daxxar | Great |
| 08:01.23 | daxxar | I can probably try to do a proofreadinng if yuo want |
| 08:01.24 | daxxar | proofreading |
| 08:01.25 | daxxar | you |
| 08:01.39 | daxxar | Wow, that was the worlds worst application as a proofreader. ;-P |
| 08:01.42 | brlcad | of all the showcase sections, yours is actually my favorite I think |
| 08:01.48 | brlcad | but then I'm biased |
| 08:01.49 | daxxar | \o/ |
| 08:01.54 | daxxar | Hehe |
| 08:03.02 | daxxar | I'm out, see ya later. :) |
| 08:04.56 | brlcad | cya |
| 08:06.08 | AWOSLappy | bye guys |
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| 09:07.52 | daxxar | brlcad: When do you plan on filling out the survey, btw? (Not rushing it, I know you have a lot on your hands) |
| 09:18.39 | daxxar | Hm |
| 09:21.09 | L4m3r | daxxar, keep in mind it's about 5:30 AM where brlcad is ;) |
| 09:22.32 | daxxar | Hehe ^_ |
| 09:22.33 | daxxar | ^_^ |
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| 09:42.51 | CBG | Wow! loads of crazy errors with osg now :/ |
| 09:44.35 | Constitution | CBG: pastebin it? |
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| 09:51.10 | CBG | Constitution: http://rafb.net/p/7PGOTd94.html |
| 10:00.59 | Constitution | This is a release version of OSG? |
| 10:09.41 | CBG | yeah. zip file of the latests stable source |
| 10:12.33 | Constitution | what's your gcc version? |
| 10:12.50 | Constitution | gcc --version in a terminal |
| 10:12.56 | CBG | 4.0.1 |
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| 10:50.46 | CBG | Constitution: any ideas? |
| 10:54.59 | Constitution | CBG: if you were on Linux I'd say update gcc... presumably the code compiles correctly with whatever they were using, but that's hard to do on macs |
| 10:55.35 | CBG | :( |
| 10:56.13 | Constitution | or there might be an easier solution I don't know about :) |
| 10:56.37 | Constitution | guess you could try a different version of OSG |
| 10:57.13 | CBG | I think the problem really lies with producer, where it says to run "make" and "make install". make works, make install does not. |
| 11:12.15 | brlcad | daxxar: within three days or so :) |
| 11:13.31 | Epyon | brlcad, any idea what happened to DTRemenak? |
| 11:13.41 | brlcad | er, what do you mean? |
| 11:14.07 | Epyon | He hasn't shown up for a while, and it's 3 days to the survey deadline o.O |
| 11:14.18 | brlcad | well it was the weekend |
| 11:14.29 | brlcad | some of us do like to spend some time offline once in a while |
| 11:14.40 | brlcad | particularly weekends |
| 11:14.41 | Epyon | No kiddin o.O |
| 11:14.48 | brlcad | don't worry about the deadline |
| 11:14.54 | Epyon | You mean *away* from the computer? |
| 11:15.00 | brlcad | that falls into the admin's hands if any aren't filled out come the deadline |
| 11:15.13 | brlcad | yeah, i hear there's this big blue box or something |
| 11:15.23 | brlcad | with a big scary bright thing |
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| 11:15.30 | brlcad | i think it's called a daystar or something |
| 11:15.43 | Epyon | Maan, outside in the "nature" there are so many polys that my graphics card chokes! |
| 11:15.50 | Epyon | So I keep staing inside. |
| 11:15.59 | Epyon | staying* |
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| 11:20.23 | Epyon | On a more serious note, I could use a few days off, but can't do that before I finish my thesis -_- |
| 11:24.10 | daxxar | Meh, these physics-excersises make me feel feeble. |
| 11:24.30 | CBG` | lost my connection :( |
| 11:24.38 | CBG` | Constitution: I think the problem really lies with producer, where it says to run "make" and "make install". make works, make install does not... http://rafb.net/p/yLYsEn51.html |
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| 13:22.21 | lepoulpe303 | hi all |
| 13:23.18 | lepoulpe303 | anyone knows if a server in version 0056 is running somewhere ? |
| 13:23.52 | lepoulpe303 | i can't compile bzfs from svn |
| 13:24.08 | lepoulpe303 | so i can't test my bzadmin modifications |
| 13:39.30 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15490 10/trunk/bzwgen/src/MultiFace.cxx: Minor cleanup |
| 13:44.24 | CBG` | Epyon: ping |
| 13:44.33 | Epyon | CBG`, pong :) |
| 13:44.46 | CBG` | Epyon: I can't find any install instructions for bzwgen :) |
| 13:45.03 | Epyon | CBG` it's a standalone |
| 13:45.07 | Epyon | compile and run |
| 13:45.17 | CBG` | Epyon: I can't find any compile instructions for bzwgen :P |
| 13:45.25 | Epyon | make ? |
| 13:45.32 | CBG` | no dependencies? |
| 13:45.34 | Epyon | nope |
| 13:45.40 | CBG` | just download and run "make". that's it? |
| 13:45.44 | Epyon | yep |
| 13:45.45 | Epyon | ;] |
| 13:45.47 | CBG` | wow. no freaking way can it be that easy!! |
| 13:45.59 | Epyon | :> |
| 13:46.03 | Epyon | Ah wait |
| 13:46.10 | Epyon | Linux, or Windows? |
| 13:46.18 | CBG` | I spent the last week struggling with bzwb and getting nowhere... lol. the dependencies have dependencies, and even those have dependencies. geez |
| 13:46.23 | CBG` | Epyon: OS X. :) |
| 13:46.29 | Epyon | There is one dependency :/ |
| 13:46.33 | CBG` | ah? |
| 13:46.39 | Epyon | flex and bison. |
| 13:46.40 | CBG` | don't you dare say OSG. |
| 13:46.47 | CBG` | oh? that's two.. |
| 13:46.50 | Epyon | Are they available on OS X? |
| 13:47.19 | Epyon | they're common *nix tools, so I sometimes forget they're a dependency :P |
| 13:47.39 | CBG` | no idea. i'll look |
| 13:47.41 | CBG` | http://flex.org/ ? |
| 13:47.50 | ts | They are installed on my system |
| 13:48.18 | Epyon | CBG`, no no, just tiny commandline tools :P) |
| 13:48.31 | CBG` | does someone have a link? :/ |
| 13:48.57 | CBG` | "flex: The Fast Lexical Analyzer" ? |
| 13:49.09 | Epyon | CBG`, Mac OS X is nix based? If so you might have them already (check at the command prompt) |
| 13:49.49 | CBG` | wow, seem to have flex already. ok... bison. |
| 13:50.02 | ts | CBG`: Read what I wrote :p |
| 13:50.10 | CBG` | (flex version 2.5.4 sound good?) |
| 13:50.15 | Epyon | Yep :) |
| 13:50.15 | CBG` | ts: that doesn't help me... |
| 13:50.31 | ts | No 10.4.x? |
| 13:50.44 | CBG` | aha, and I have GNU Bison version 1.28, Epyon |
| 13:50.50 | CBG` | ts: yes, 10.4 |
| 13:51.01 | CBG` | but just because you have them, does not mean I would. |
| 13:51.06 | Epyon | hmm 1.28 might be too old |
| 13:51.41 | CBG` | I'm trying "make" anyway. |
| 13:51.47 | CBG` | ah... failed :( *sigh* |
| 13:51.50 | CBG` | story of my life... |
| 13:52.20 | CBG` | Epyon: http://rafb.net/p/xvOH6T25.html |
| 13:52.41 | Epyon | One moment, you'll be fine :P |
| 13:54.20 | lepoulpe303 | CBG`: ? |
| 13:54.24 | Epyon | CBG, download src release from http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/bison |
| 13:54.30 | CBG` | hey lepoulpe303 :) |
| 13:54.40 | Epyon | Then : |
| 13:54.41 | Epyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.41 | Epyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.41 | Epyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.41 | Epyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.46 | CBG` | Epyon: I have 2.3 now, is that good to install? |
| 13:54.53 | lepoulpe303 | CBG`: hey hey hey long time no see ;) |
| 13:55.04 | Epyon | Yep, 2.1 is required |
| 13:55.15 | CBG` | lepoulpe303: yeah, I don't really play anymore, but still here :) |
| 13:55.32 | Epyon | CBG`, you know however that you'll need a HEAD bzfs, do you ? :P |
| 13:55.54 | CBG` | Epyon: 2.1? :/ |
| 13:56.00 | lepoulpe303 | CBG`: i don't play much also ; just spent a couple of months in building my house, so not ime for digital life ;) |
| 13:56.05 | CBG` | I've played on a 2.0 server with z bzwgen map. |
| 13:56.16 | CBG` | lepoulpe303: ooh, wow :) |
| 13:56.19 | Epyon | 2.1 bison or higher |
| 13:56.40 | CBG` | yes, i have 2.3 bison, installing it now. but what do you mean by HEAD bzfs? |
| 13:56.48 | CBG` | HEAD = 2.1, no? |
| 13:57.05 | Epyon | 2.0.9 is fine too |
| 13:57.19 | Epyon | BUt needs the latest server because a bug was discovered in bzfs |
| 13:57.29 | Epyon | That prevented the loading of bzwgen maps. |
| 13:57.39 | CBG` | right. ;) |
| 13:57.41 | CBG` | oh? darn |
| 13:58.08 | CBG` | I hosted a bzwgen map on a (somewhat) old 2.0.9 bzfs recently... it was a map I stole from constitutions server |
| 13:58.15 | Epyon | not my fault :/ |
| 13:58.27 | lepoulpe303 | CBG`: in fact i just made yard monitoring (and manual things inside like painting) but it was very time consuming |
| 13:58.37 | Epyon | If it did run, that means that the server you have is fine |
| 13:58.40 | CBG` | will maps generated by newer versions of bzwgen not work? |
| 13:58.46 | CBG` | ah, ok. thanks Epyon |
| 13:58.56 | CBG` | lepoulpe303: I see :) so life is good for you? |
| 13:58.58 | Epyon | depends on how old that map was. |
| 13:59.18 | CBG` | I downloaded it approx 7-10 days ago, iirc. |
| 13:59.32 | Epyon | try it -- if the *server* hangs without any warnings errors, that means that it's the servers fault |
| 13:59.32 | CBG` | actually, only 4 days ago. :) |
| 13:59.42 | CBG` | ok thanks |
| 13:59.46 | Epyon | the bug was fixed in HEAD around a month ago. |
| 14:00.21 | CBG` | can't tell you when the bzfs was built, sorry. but I'll just try it and see :) |
| 14:00.41 | Epyon | it should have the date in it's version number :P |
| 14:00.55 | CBG` | oh? k, i'll see |
| 14:01.04 | lepoulpe303 | CBG`: yes ; know i try to understand better in which wood is made bzflag ;) |
| 14:01.12 | lepoulpe303 | CBG`: /know/now |
| 14:01.36 | CBG` | :D |
| 14:02.12 | CBG` | Epyon: aww :( bison upgraded to 2.3... tried to build bzwgen again and... http://rafb.net/p/J6q4pH99.html |
| 14:02.40 | Epyon | Just a warning. My fault. One moment. |
| 14:03.00 | CBG` | :) thanks |
| 14:03.30 | CBG` | bzfs version: 2.0.9.20070814 14th of August, so it should be fine :D |
| 14:04.07 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15491 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (inc/Face.h src/Operation.cxx): New Face method and a warning fix in Operation.cxx |
| 14:04.19 | Epyon | svn update, and don't forget to make clean |
| 14:04.43 | CBG` | it says "Done." :D |
| 14:05.44 | Epyon | :D |
| 14:05.58 | CBG` | now, what do I run? |
| 14:05.59 | Epyon | BTW, tell me if you get a segfault at program end. |
| 14:06.05 | Epyon | ./bzwgen |
| 14:06.19 | CBG` | -bash: ./bzwgen: No such file or directory |
| 14:06.21 | Epyon | It should generate the map and then segfault nicely xP |
| 14:06.23 | CBG` | :| |
| 14:06.28 | Epyon | O.o |
| 14:06.54 | Epyon | ls? |
| 14:07.39 | CBG` | not there :/ |
| 14:07.41 | CBG` | wait.. do I do "make" after "make clean"? |
| 14:07.49 | Epyon | Um, yes? |
| 14:08.13 | Epyon | make clean just cleans the temporary object files :P |
| 14:08.17 | CBG` | k... I get an error with that. http://rafb.net/p/PwxSYS88.html |
| 14:08.42 | Epyon | Wierd o.O |
| 14:08.59 | Epyon | Are you sure bison is updated, and the right version is called? |
| 14:09.27 | ts | which bison && bison --version |
| 14:09.30 | CBG` | gah. "bison --version" says GNU Bison version 1.28 |
| 14:09.41 | CBG` | which -> /usr/bin/bison |
| 14:09.55 | ts | Then you use the built-in bison |
| 14:10.03 | Epyon | you need to make it call the right version. No idea how to do that... ts, help? |
| 14:10.12 | ts | adjust your $PATH |
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| 14:10.46 | CBG` | :( how? |
| 14:11.14 | ts | $PATH must point to the dir where you installed the newer bison first, the other dirs should have lower priority |
| 14:11.46 | CBG` | if only I knew where bison 2.3 installed itself to |
| 14:12.27 | ts | I can't help you when you don't know where you put the newer bison |
| 14:12.43 | CBG` | I just followed instructions. |
| 14:12.50 | CBG` | Where should "make install" put it? |
| 14:13.08 | donny_baker | can't you just use 'find' |
| 14:13.24 | ts | Try /usr/local/bin/bison --version |
| 14:14.12 | CBG` | that's it! "bison (GNU Bison) 2.3" |
| 14:14.12 | donny_baker | or 'find / -name "bison" -print' |
| 14:15.20 | ts | CBG: echo $PATH please |
| 14:16.55 | CBG` | /opt/local/bin:/opt/local/sbin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/mysql/bin |
| 14:17.58 | ts | CBG`: Do you want to modify your $PATH just for building this one time, or permanent? |
| 14:18.16 | CBG | is it bad to change it permanently? |
| 14:18.34 | ts | No, only a few extra steps |
| 14:18.47 | CBG | ok, lets do it permanently please : |
| 14:18.49 | CBG | :) |
| 14:19.34 | ts | Have you already set up a .profile , .bashrc or similar? |
| 14:19.43 | CBG | no idea :| |
| 14:19.51 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15492 10/trunk/bzwgen/src/Operation.cxx: Minor cleanup |
| 14:19.53 | lepoulpe304 | i need a server in version 0056 ; anyone has one on? |
| 14:20.01 | ts | echo $SHELL |
| 14:20.13 | CBG | /bin/bash |
| 14:20.17 | ts | k |
| 14:20.57 | ts | vim ~/.profile |
| 14:21.08 | CBG | ok |
| 14:21.37 | ts | Are you familiar with vim? |
| 14:21.41 | CBG | nope |
| 14:22.05 | CBG | I like to use pico/nano for commandline text editing |
| 14:22.18 | CBG | vim doesn't seem any different |
| 14:22.31 | ts | Let's do it the "dirty" way |
| 14:22.36 | CBG | except backspace doesn't work :P |
| 14:22.51 | Epyon | Do not underestimate the newbie unfriendliness of vim :P |
| 14:23.12 | CBG | I hope ts doesn't need me to delete anything, Epyon :P |
| 14:23.21 | ts | err...wait a moment |
| 14:23.25 | CBG | omfg I can't type a space?! |
| 14:23.44 | CBG | ah, works now |
| 14:24.34 | ts | CBG: Do you see something like "export PATH=" in the file already? |
| 14:25.06 | CBG | just "export PATH" nothing after on that line |
| 14:25.10 | ts | /opt/local/bin is a location $PATH does not point to by default but yours does |
| 14:25.34 | CBG | hmm |
| 14:27.33 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15493 10/trunk/bzwgen/src/Mesh.cxx: Minor cleanup |
| 14:27.35 | ts | I think you installed mysql in the past and it set up $PATH somewhere |
| 14:27.37 | CBG | ah, wait..... |
| 14:27.39 | CBG | first line: "PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/mysql/bin" |
| 14:27.41 | CBG | second line: "export PATH" |
| 14:27.44 | CBG | yeah, seems so |
| 14:27.47 | ts | aah |
| 14:28.34 | ts | Change it to PATH=/usr/local/bin:${PATH}:/usr/local/mysql/bin |
| 14:28.56 | ts | then save |
| 14:29.20 | CBG | save? :/ |
| 14:29.32 | CBG | gah, I already hate vim. lol |
| 14:29.37 | ts | :x |
| 14:29.50 | ts | Type :x |
| 14:29.51 | Epyon | ^ that is not an emoticon :P |
| 14:30.11 | ts | It'll save and quit then |
| 14:30.33 | ts | (and make sure you hit esc before typing) |
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| 14:31.06 | CBG | k, done |
| 14:31.26 | ts | Can you check with more if it is changed correctly? |
| 14:31.36 | CBG | with more? |
| 14:31.46 | ts | more ~/.profile |
| 14:31.56 | CBG | PATH=/usr/local/bin:${PATH}:/usr/local/mysql/bin |
| 14:31.56 | CBG | export PATH |
| 14:32.03 | ts | goog |
| 14:32.06 | ts | good* |
| 14:32.14 | CBG | now run make in bzwg again? |
| 14:32.26 | ts | New bash instances will have the changes applied |
| 14:32.34 | ts | no |
| 14:32.43 | ts | You need to open a new Terminal window |
| 14:32.57 | ts | then make bzwg ;) |
| 14:33.10 | ts | old window will have old $PATH |
| 14:33.14 | CBG | *sigh*. new window... new error: http://rafb.net/p/sJrTyZ16.html ( ping Epyon ) |
| 14:33.53 | ts | CBG: That, I can not help with :( |
| 14:34.04 | CBG | thanks a lot ts :) |
| 14:34.07 | CBG | ~ts++ |
| 14:35.10 | ts | I would think just the removing of -Werror would pass compilation..but I don't know bzwg's build system |
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| 14:45.11 | Epyon | Remove -Wall this one is a MacOS only warning |
| 14:45.26 | Epyon | sorry, remove -WError instead |
| 14:45.34 | Epyon | From the Makefile |
| 14:48.35 | daxxar | You're surely one optimistic person if you compile generated code using -Wall -pedantic -Werror |
| 14:48.39 | daxxar | ;P |
| 14:49.29 | ruskie | -Werror is great for development... BAD for distributing the code to others... |
| 14:53.18 | lepoulpe303 | anyone has a clue about "force_cast : non declared identifier in bzfsApi ? |
| 14:54.10 | lepoulpe303 | if i believe google , this instruction is rather used by ppl using ideogram language :S |
| 14:55.16 | daxxar | That's me. ;-P |
| 14:55.21 | lepoulpe303 | lol |
| 14:55.40 | lepoulpe303 | ni-hao-maï ? |
| 14:58.16 | daxxar | What're you compiling it under, lepoulpe303? |
| 14:58.42 | lepoulpe303 | msvs8 |
| 14:58.49 | Epyon | daxxar, it compiles under linux and windows with -Wall -pedantic -Werror :P |
| 15:00.02 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03daxxar * r15494 10/trunk/bzflag/include/ (bzfsAPI.h common.h): fixing bzfsApi + force_cast? |
| 15:00.06 | daxxar | Try with this, lepoulpe303? |
| 15:12.51 | lepoulpe303 | daxxar: hard, to be beginner in c++ ;) |
| 15:12.58 | daxxar | Did it work? |
| 15:13.22 | lepoulpe303 | it compiles ; i just have to find where it puts the exe :D |
| 15:13.37 | blast007 | it should copy them to the root of the source |
| 15:13.53 | daxxar | Great. :-) |
| 15:14.00 | blast007 | if not, stuff will be located in their respective src/ directory |
| 15:14.35 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15495 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (inc/Expression.h inc/MultiFace.h src/RuleSet.cxx): Minor cleanup, addition of face(c) attribute, returning the number of face components. |
| 15:14.51 | lepoulpe303 | blast007: there were strange things, so i "cleaned" before building again |
| 15:15.17 | lepoulpe303 | crash in libcurl :((( |
| 15:20.19 | Epyon | Hmm, can I write delete a, b, c; ? |
| 15:20.35 | Winny | Do machine gun shots use the sane amnt of bandwidth as normal shots? |
| 15:21.06 | blast007 | Winny: well, they use more packets faster |
| 15:21.11 | blast007 | same packet though |
| 15:22.14 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15496 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (inc/Expression.h src/Expression.cxx): Cleanup |
| 15:22.18 | Winny | blast007: ok, thanks |
| 15:22.23 | Epyon | blast007, you're running linux? |
| 15:22.34 | Winny | I wondered why badgerking's was using so much bandwidth :p |
| 15:23.15 | Epyon | blast007, could you checkout bzwgen, uncomment one rule, and paste me the segfault tracedump? |
| 15:23.33 | CBG | Epyon: now it seems to work |
| 15:23.57 | CBG | but the program won't open :( "Loading ./rules/build.set... syntax error at line 7" |
| 15:23.59 | Epyon | CBG, does it segfault after generation? |
| 15:24.07 | CBG | won't open :( |
| 15:24.47 | Epyon | Very wierd o.O |
| 15:25.03 | Epyon | Duh, must be those damn line endings probably. |
| 15:25.16 | CBG | gotta walk the dog.. back in 10 |
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| 15:26.58 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15497 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (MSVC/lexer.cxx src/lexer.l): Damn line endings. Possible fix for the OS X error. |
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| 15:31.11 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15498 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (inc/BuildZone.h src/BuildZone.cxx): Cleanup again. |
| 15:31.52 | Epyon | KTL, on windows or nix? |
| 15:32.00 | KTL | ldebian |
| 15:32.22 | KTL | to generate the avi |
| 15:32.24 | KTL | my system |
| 15:32.41 | KTL | the presentation system ... i don't know, could be everything |
| 15:33.25 | blast007 | Epyon: can't right now, busy at work |
| 15:33.36 | Epyon | There are plenty Windows apps to do that, unfortunately I don't know any Linux ones :/ |
| 15:33.53 | Epyon | blast007, ok |
| 15:34.25 | KTL | if it is really going bad ... in theory i could still read all pixels for every frame and make a movie with them , my motivation to do that is a bit low |
| 15:38.27 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15499 10/trunk/bzwgen/src/FloorZone.cxx: Cleanup again. |
| 15:43.42 | Chestal | KTL: there's http://www.neopsis.com/projects/yukon/ which specializes on OpenGL, and of course there is a bunch of general-purpose screen capturing utilities, see http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Apps/screen-capture.html or http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Apps/desktop-video-capture.html Never used one of these myself |
| 15:44.18 | KTL | thanks :) diving into it |
| 15:48.46 | CBG | Epyon: i'm back. do you know what is (i'm doing) wrong? |
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| 15:56.14 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15500 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Cleanup |
| 15:56.40 | Epyon | I did a linefix commit. Try updating, make clean and make again. |
| 16:06.08 | CBG | Epyon: Thanks :) i'll try |
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| 16:14.10 | CBG | Epyon: exact same error on ./bzwgen :( |
| 16:14.37 | CBG | Loading ./rules/build.set... syntax error at line 7 |
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| 16:27.53 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15501 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Cleanup |
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| 16:45.54 | CBG | still the same, Epyon :( |
| 16:50.49 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15502 10/trunk/bzwgen/src/ (Generator.cxx GridGenerator.cxx): Moved material output to Generator |
| 16:54.00 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15503 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (inc/Generator.h src/Generator.cxx): Argument shoud be Output not stream... |
| 16:55.20 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15504 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (inc/RuleSet.h src/RuleSet.cxx): RuleSet now has it's own set of materials. |
| 16:57.46 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15505 10/trunk/bzwgen/src/Generator.cxx: Generator now calls RuleSet ouput after outputing it's own materials. |
| 17:01.23 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15506 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (8 files in 4 dirs): OperationLoadMaterial/loadmaterial(attrname,filename) added to the code and language. |
| 17:05.06 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * r15507 10/trunk/bzwgen/inc/Expression.h: one at a time, please |
| 17:06.21 | CBG | retrying... |
| 17:06.38 | CBG | nope :( still Loading ./rules/build.set... syntax error at line 7 |
| 17:07.14 | Epyon | bryjen, why? |
| 17:07.34 | Epyon | CBG, I can't help you because I have no clue why that happens :? |
| 17:07.38 | Epyon | :/ |
| 17:08.22 | CBG | Epyon: :( |
| 17:08.22 | bryjen | a warning, something like "operation on right side of comma has no effect" |
| 17:08.22 | Epyon | it must be something Mac-bison specific. |
| 17:08.39 | blast007 | bzwgen.bzw: warning (line 27844): unknown object parameter "vertex" - skipping |
| 17:08.39 | blast007 | bzwgen.bzw: error (line 27845): missing "end" parameter |
| 17:08.39 | blast007 | bzwgen.bzw: error: world file failed to load. |
| 17:08.39 | Epyon | bryjen, oh, I thought one can group deletes o.O |
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| 17:08.59 | Epyon | blast007, with the uncommented rule? |
| 17:09.10 | blast007 | Epyon: that's just from a clean build |
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| 17:09.14 | blast007 | didn't change anything |
| 17:09.36 | Epyon | Will look into it now. |
| 17:10.11 | blast007 | ah |
| 17:10.13 | blast007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.13 | blast007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.17 | blast007 | ;) |
| 17:10.21 | Epyon | yes I know that :P |
| 17:10.39 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03t-s * r15508 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ (9 files in 4 dirs): backport packetlosskick from 2.1 |
| 17:10.59 | ts | Someone(tm) should test this |
| 17:11.42 | CBG | Epyon: maybe look at http://cbg.sh.nu:10000/bzwg.txt |
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| 17:43.32 | brlcad | erm, OS X has a lexer and parser installed by default |
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| 17:45.10 | brlcad | if you needed a never version of bison, then you're probably doing something you really shouldn't in the parser file |
| 17:53.50 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15510 10/trunk/bzwgen/src/ (BuildZone.cxx GridMap.cxx): This might be the bug that made bad maps -_- |
| 17:54.22 | Epyon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:11.26 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15511 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (23 files in 3 dirs): float -> double, I hate precision problems -_- |
| 18:15.52 | Dessy | hello |
| 18:16.05 | blast007 | hi |
| 18:16.17 | Dessy | give it a applicatiob to open a rpm file under windows |
| 18:16.50 | JeffM | give what an app? |
| 18:17.19 | Dessy | to extract a a linux rpm file under windows |
| 18:17.27 | blast007 | 7-zip can |
| 18:17.40 | blast007 | http://www.7-zip.org/ |
| 18:18.06 | Dessy | wow fast answer! thx |
| 18:20.07 | blast007 | Epyon: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d40b0b5c9 |
| 18:28.19 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15512 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (7 files in 2 dirs): round -> roundToInt to avoid GCC name conflicts. |
| 18:28.26 | Epyon | blast007, here you are :) |
| 18:28.48 | Epyon | if it does, then could you please run a test for me? |
| 18:29.24 | blast007 | sure |
| 18:29.28 | blast007 | worked |
| 18:29.33 | Epyon | it runs? |
| 18:29.50 | blast007 | yeah |
| 18:29.57 | Epyon | good. Now edit start.set and uncomment -> 0.4 : sidewalk_sky spawn(test_run) |
| 18:30.12 | Epyon | run again and copy the segfault (if it happens) |
| 18:30.46 | blast007 | just run? not rebuild? |
| 18:31.21 | Epyon | just run |
| 18:31.34 | blast007 | okay, got it, 1 sec |
| 18:31.37 | Epyon | set files are compiled at run time. |
| 18:31.54 | blast007 | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d6ea18806 |
| 18:31.59 | Epyon | bzwgen is a compiler xP |
| 18:32.20 | blast007 | :) |
| 18:32.25 | Epyon | Thanks :) |
| 18:33.09 | blast007 | np |
| 18:33.37 | CBG | still getting "Loading ./rules/build.set... syntax error at line 7" after all changed :( |
| 18:33.55 | blast007 | CBG: must just be you |
| 18:34.09 | blast007 | I'll have to try on my mac when I get home |
| 18:34.16 | Epyon | blast, what's your version of bison? |
| 18:34.32 | blast007 | bison (GNU Bison) 1.875d |
| 18:34.49 | Epyon | 1.87? wow, I can lower the reqs :P |
| 18:35.49 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15513 10/trunk/bzwgen/README: Bison 1.875 is enough. |
| 18:36.44 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15514 10/trunk/bzwgen/src/Expression.cxx: LOL, that I didn't notice this bug before :D |
| 18:39.21 | blast007 | ooo, now it's really making broken map files |
| 18:39.37 | Epyon | ? |
| 18:39.39 | blast007 | several pages of invalid mesh faces |
| 18:39.57 | Epyon | with unmodified set? |
| 18:40.07 | blast007 | oh wait ;D |
| 18:40.12 | blast007 | let me revert that |
| 18:40.48 | Epyon | Some things in the start.set will send the whole map into hell if uncommented xP |
| 18:42.18 | blast007 | yeah, that works much better |
| 18:42.45 | L4m3r | oh, Epyon, I thought of a simplistic workaround for the sidewalk problem |
| 18:42.48 | Epyon | what did you do? |
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| 18:43.00 | Epyon | sidewalk problem? |
| 18:44.10 | L4m3r | bzf has a weird ground |
| 18:44.16 | L4m3r | anything below is visible |
| 18:44.48 | L4m3r | so you could theoretically put the street level below ground, and the sidewalks just a hair below zero, in height |
| 18:45.02 | L4m3r | and you'd be able to drive over the sidewalk from the street |
| 18:45.40 | Epyon | lol, solving problems by abusing bugs is 3vil :P |
| 18:46.05 | Epyon | L4m3r, I can just add "drivethrough" to the sidewalk meshes :P |
| 18:47.23 | tannerld | Epyon: ooo lots of updates |
| 18:50.23 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15515 10/trunk/bzwgen/src/ (BuildZone.cxx Mesh.cxx MultiFace.cxx): Fixed the segfault at program end when using MultiFaces (thanks blast!) |
| 18:50.33 | blast007 | :) |
| 18:52.03 | Epyon | BTW, blast007, you got that fubared map only by uncommenting that single line? |
| 18:52.10 | blast007 | yeah |
| 18:52.24 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15516 10/trunk/db/ (.cvsignore config.php.example): We are using svn, so get rid of .cvsignore |
| 18:52.29 | Epyon | Wierd, it works for me (except for some empty vertices) |
| 18:52.55 | Epyon | try again, and tell me what the bzfs cries about |
| 18:52.58 | blast007 | hmm, didn't want that config.php.example |
| 18:53.41 | blast007 | Epyon: it crys about invalid mesh faces |
| 18:53.56 | blast007 | so much so, that it goes off the scrollback ;) |
| 18:54.03 | Epyon | O.o |
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| 18:54.24 | Epyon | Try with a update/make clean and make again, maybe somethings wrong |
| 18:55.23 | blast007 | at the end of bzwgen, I get an "Illegal instruction" |
| 18:55.47 | Epyon | see in the file at that point |
| 18:55.55 | blast007 | right after the "43764 vertices, 1907 texcoords and 38515 faces generated." |
| 18:56.01 | Epyon | you're running bzfs 2.0.9 |
| 18:56.03 | Epyon | ? |
| 18:56.06 | blast007 | yeah |
| 18:56.08 | Epyon | line end? |
| 18:56.20 | blast007 | hmm? |
| 18:56.50 | Epyon | paste me the outpur |
| 18:56.53 | Epyon | t* |
| 18:57.42 | blast007 | when I make the cache file: |
| 18:57.44 | blast007 | mesh faces need at least 3 vertices |
| 18:57.44 | blast007 | bzwgen.bzw: warning (line 3184): unknown object parameter "vertices" - skipping |
| 18:57.44 | blast007 | mesh faces need at least 3 vertices |
| 18:57.44 | blast007 | bzwgen.bzw: warning (line 137318): unknown object parameter "vertices" - skipping |
| 18:58.12 | Epyon | There ones are ok (not ok, but I know why they happen) |
| 18:58.15 | Epyon | Anything else? |
| 18:58.55 | blast007 | http://static.bzexcess.com/log |
| 19:01.14 | blast007 | and here's the map file it was using: http://static.bzexcess.com/bzwgen.bzw |
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| 19:21.15 | Epyon | Funny, I get just two warnings with this map |
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| 19:22.40 | Epyon | The map seems ok though |
| 19:22.53 | Epyon | You lack the std_ground.png texture however |
| 19:23.05 | Epyon | (I think I should put itin the media folder :/) |
| 19:23.21 | Epyon | Those warnings are from badly generated buildings, I'll fix them. |
| 19:25.12 | blast007 | I run my server with -ddd too |
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| 19:25.25 | Epyon | what's -ddd? |
| 19:25.30 | blast007 | debug level 3 |
| 19:25.33 | Winny | yay! internets! :p |
| 19:25.44 | Epyon | CBG, I'm sorry I can't help you :( |
| 19:25.58 | CBG | the problem is at my end? |
| 19:26.06 | Epyon | Winny, the T-word ;P |
| 19:26.07 | blast007 | CBG: remind me in about 4 hours and I'll try at my house |
| 19:26.18 | Epyon | CBG, we need to wait for blast007 :) |
| 19:26.27 | CBG | ok |
| 19:28.42 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15517 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (media/grass.png media/mesh.png rules/init.set): Added the grass and mesh texture to the media folder, and made the set bind to them for completeness' sake. |
| 19:34.00 | Dessy | hi again :P |
| 19:34.22 | Dessy | question: What is better for a gameserver? 64 ot 32bit? |
| 19:34.33 | blast007 | doesn't matter |
| 19:34.40 | daxxar | You probably won't get any advantage from using 64bit |
| 19:34.40 | CBG | 128 |
| 19:34.58 | daxxar | (Unless you're planning on running insane amounts of servers, and therefore need >4GB (?) mem) |
| 19:35.00 | Epyon | BTW, why isn't there a polish locale file in bzflag? o.O |
| 19:35.07 | Macrosoft | Dessy: buts its nice to have a 64bit box anyway |
| 19:35.13 | daxxar | Epyon: Because you poles are such lazy bastards! |
| 19:35.33 | Dessy | ya, on my server runs Suse Linux 10.1 64bit |
| 19:35.44 | daxxar | No Norwegian locales either, tbh. ;-) |
| 19:35.46 | daxxar | I'll fix that, I guess |
| 19:35.58 | Dessy | and on it Counter-Strike source server |
| 19:36.04 | Macrosoft | Epyon: oh noez, teh positrons, they burn!! |
| 19:36.11 | Epyon | daxxar, it's wierd, I'm sure someone had to do it before me, but if not, then I'm willing to do it |
| 20:06.15 | ryanakca | Hmmm. Where can I checkout BZWorkbench? |
| 20:06.44 | *** part/#bzflag LongDo2 (n=LongDon@host-091-097-032-062.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 20:07.52 | blast007 | ryanakca: iirc, https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzworkbench/ |
| 20:08.03 | ryanakca | blast007: ah, thanks :D |
| 20:08.23 | blast007 | ryanakca: the building of the dependencies can be "fun" ;) |
| 20:08.26 | blast007 | OSG and FLTK |
| 20:08.40 | ryanakca | hehe |
| 20:08.43 | blast007 | :) |
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| 20:22.22 | TimRiker | whois enydona |
| 20:22.24 | TimRiker | eep |
| 20:22.36 | TimRiker | ~ww |
| 20:22.36 | ibot | Wrong window, you fool! |
| 20:24.12 | AWOSLappy | Hmm. |
| 20:24.18 | AWOSLappy | Who _is_ enydona, TimRiker? :) |
| 20:24.34 | TimRiker | heh. not me. |
| 20:24.49 | AWOSLappy | :No such nick/channel |
| 20:36.11 | AWOSLappy | Anybody want to play some bz? bzflag2.norang.ca port 4420 |
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| 20:37.16 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15518 10/trunk/db/config.php.example: Get rid of config.php.example |
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| 20:56.28 | Winny | AWOSLappy: can you help me test out my server again? |
| 20:57.44 | AWOSLappy | Winny: in a race. I can in a minute, mmkay? |
| 20:57.48 | Winny | k |
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| 21:06.36 | AWOSLappy | Winny: okay, back from the bzlympics, where's the server? |
| 21:06.48 | Winny | one sec |
| 21:06.54 | Winny | restarting BZFS |
| 21:07.05 | AWOSLappy | ~bad TD-Linux for getting me addicted to the bzolympics map |
| 21:07.06 | ibot | Bad TD-Linux for getting me addicted to the bzolympics map, bad! No cookie for you! |
| 21:07.14 | AWOSLappy | XD |
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| 21:08.59 | AWOSLappy | Winny: you have a new machine. it can't take THAT long to start bzfs. :P |
| 21:09.07 | Winny | AWOSLappy: bzflagr.net:5154 |
| 21:09.15 | Winny | I had to change some settings too, HMMPF |
| 21:09.16 | AWOSLappy | mmkay. |
| 21:09.20 | AWOSLappy | P |
| 21:09.23 | AWOSLappy | *:P |
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| 21:53.29 | AWOSLappy | Hmm. |
| 21:53.46 | AWOSLappy | There was an ant crawling on my screen. I hit him with my hand and he kept going. Hitting him again killed him. |
| 21:55.20 | AWOSLappy | augh! can't....see...IRC! |
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| 23:39.49 | CBG | blast007: 4 hours. |
| 23:40.07 | CBG | ben from the city! :D |
| 23:40.29 | BenUrban | hiya cbg |
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