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| 00:11.13 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15554 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (9 files in 5 dirs): let plug-ins define an overide for the standard file open dialog. |
| 00:26.46 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15555 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (include/commonControls.h src/commonControls.cpp): add the file that handles the common controls |
| 00:27.23 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15556 10/trunk/bzworkbench/include/BZWBAPI.h: open dialog boxes can have descriptions, imagine that. |
| 00:27.48 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15557 10/trunk/bzworkbench/plugins/Win32CommonControls/Win32CommonControls.cpp: implement a native windows file open dialog from a plug-in. |
| 00:29.17 | JeffM | take that, ugly old FLTK open dialog! |
| 00:29.30 | blast007 | ;) |
| 00:30.11 | JeffM | I'll have to do the save one later tonight |
| 00:30.51 | a_meteorite | stardust? |
| 00:32.28 | Winny | a_meteorite: a movie |
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| 03:09.35 | L4m3r | clearly he doesn't get it... now there are seven pics in the queue, including Che, Steve Jobs, Hitler again, and the same rejected images... |
| 03:09.52 | AWOSLappy | dang. |
| 03:15.31 | Macrosoft | L4m3r: send him to /dev/null? |
| 03:16.06 | Macrosoft | ...its like computer purgatory |
| 03:19.01 | blast007 | more like a black hole ;) |
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| 03:25.43 | Thumper_ | LouMan has a new rabbit hunt map out - Rabid Rabbit |
| 03:26.40 | Macrosoft | Thumper_: is it hosted? |
| 03:26.44 | Thumper_ | yup |
| 03:26.46 | Thumper_ | on the serve rlist |
| 03:26.57 | Macrosoft | nvm, i cant play |
| 03:27.01 | Thumper_ | ok :) |
| 03:27.11 | Macrosoft | i forgot |
| 03:27.16 | Thumper_ | bummer |
| 03:27.24 | Thumper_ | time to sleep - cya tomorrow |
| 03:45.49 | kc9foh | lol |
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| 04:00.58 | brlcad | L4m3r: which one(s) are you rejecting? |
| 04:01.15 | L4m3r | all of them? |
| 04:01.19 | L4m3r | take a look |
| 04:01.25 | brlcad | i saw them |
| 04:01.37 | L4m3r | Hitler should probably go, copyright on the rest is questionable |
| 04:01.46 | L4m3r | Che might be ok |
| 04:01.52 | brlcad | there are others similar in the repo already that might be his persistence |
| 04:02.11 | L4m3r | there are? |
| 04:02.19 | brlcad | (not saying that as a reason to approve, it's not) |
| 04:02.59 | L4m3r | well, the hitler image and the "think differet" dude with the laptop were both rejected earlier today |
| 04:03.02 | brlcad | that is one thing I really wish/want on that form -- a reference or statement to their copyright/license claims |
| 04:03.34 | brlcad | i see several images in the folder that I'd be surprised if we "really" had a right to use them |
| 04:03.48 | L4m3r | oh, of course |
| 04:04.05 | L4m3r | but that doesn't mean we should turn the other cheek just to be fair |
| 04:06.26 | L4m3r | I think we're going to have to email him |
| 04:10.41 | blast007 | are they using them on maps? |
| 04:10.56 | blast007 | or are they just using it as a place to upload images? |
| 04:13.34 | L4m3r | good question |
| 04:13.45 | L4m3r | this person has uploaded some chainlink textures |
| 04:13.49 | L4m3r | and the text image |
| 04:13.57 | L4m3r | so it's probably intended for a map |
| 04:15.13 | Macrosoft | whts the "safety" parameter for zone do? |
| 04:15.23 | Macrosoft | its not in the wiki |
| 04:15.41 | L4m3r | team flag safety zone |
| 04:15.50 | Macrosoft | ok |
| 04:15.54 | L4m3r | where the flag goes when it's passed |
| 04:16.18 | blast007 | (instead of to the center of the map, or back to the base) |
| 04:17.51 | Macrosoft | is there a way to override _friction for different objects? |
| 04:18.02 | L4m3r | physics driver |
| 04:18.07 | L4m3r | I think |
| 04:18.15 | blast007 | we should probably disable hotlinking for images.bzflag.org |
| 04:18.27 | L4m3r | aren't they fetched on port 80? |
| 04:18.33 | blast007 | yeah |
| 04:18.39 | blast007 | but we could tweak it for the game |
| 04:18.41 | L4m3r | won't it block clients? :\ |
| 04:18.47 | blast007 | I'm assuming the game doesn't send a referrer |
| 04:19.12 | blast007 | so allow blank referrers, or ones from *.bzflag.(org|com|bz|etc) |
| 04:20.07 | blast007 | should probably also explain more what the image hosting service is for |
| 04:20.14 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 04:20.30 | L4m3r | for 2.1 we should try to set it up with a different port |
| 04:20.35 | L4m3r | or something |
| 04:20.40 | blast007 | what would that help with...? |
| 04:21.11 | L4m3r | or just do something to the images so they won't be handled by a browser |
| 04:21.23 | blast007 | that won't work |
| 04:21.27 | L4m3r | why not? |
| 04:21.39 | blast007 | we use curl, which talks the same way a browser does |
| 04:21.51 | L4m3r | >_< |
| 04:22.03 | blast007 | unless we want to switch to using SGI RGB files ;) |
| 04:22.14 | L4m3r | change the extension to .gnp :P |
| 04:22.23 | blast007 | or .gtfo |
| 04:22.26 | L4m3r | lol |
| 04:22.59 | blast007 | but really, a simple referrer check would eliminate most of the abuse |
| 04:23.13 | blast007 | possible abuse* |
| 04:23.19 | blast007 | not saying it's currently abused |
| 04:27.41 | AWOSLappy | L4m3r: Apache has a mod_rewrite that can block specific user-agents |
| 04:28.08 | AWOSLappy | I don't know what/if bzclient sends for that |
| 04:28.45 | blast007 | bzflag sends a curl user agent |
| 04:29.10 | blast007 | however, we don't want to block browsers from seeing the images |
| 04:29.22 | blast007 | we want to block them from seeing those images when accessed from 3rd party sites |
| 04:29.50 | L4m3r | it'd be a simple thing to have the images.bzflag.org browser access them by other means |
| 04:30.02 | L4m3r | run 'em through a php script |
| 04:30.22 | blast007 | true |
| 04:30.26 | blast007 | but why bother? |
| 04:30.30 | L4m3r | heh |
| 04:30.43 | blast007 | we can do a referrer check in less than 10 lines of mod_rewrite |
| 04:34.58 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15558 10/trunk/db/bzfls2/ (bzfls.php includes/datalayer.class.php): |
| 04:34.58 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Also return playerid for Player_Fetch_ByUsername |
| 04:34.58 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Include the BZID in the CHECKTOKENS response |
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| 04:49.13 | brlcad | though, part of the ease of use now is that you can hit up/test the url with a browser |
| 04:49.23 | brlcad | the linking isn't really a problem |
| 04:50.09 | brlcad | we're not to the point where that is a problem at all (i.e. posting up an image and using it for other purposes/sites for example) at least not yet |
| 04:52.06 | brlcad | the problem really is just that the "proof" that folks are allowed to use an image or not is entirely dependent upon whomever is reviewing the image (which isn't to review after it's been accepted), there's very hand-wavy "it's license BLAH" right now with no actual reference, and there's no exchange with the player to get the security |
| 04:52.55 | L4m3r | I think it's designed just well enough for us to deny any responsibility and pass the buck :) |
| 04:53.40 | L4m3r | I mean, it'd be rather impractical to verify the rights beyond what's blatantly infringing... like stock photos and whatnot |
| 04:54.28 | brlcad | I think what would help is a non-optional field that answers "where did you get it?" |
| 04:54.45 | blast007 | "google images" |
| 04:54.50 | brlcad | to either say they made it or derived, or downloaded, etc |
| 04:55.06 | brlcad | if they did, then they can provide a URL |
| 04:55.34 | brlcad | could add a little comment that says, if you have a URL to the page it comes from and/or to the page that says you can use the image... |
| 04:55.42 | brlcad | give an example |
| 04:55.52 | brlcad | that would work |
| 04:56.08 | brlcad | and be a heck of a lot better that just asking wha the license is |
| 05:18.01 | L4m3r | perhaps |
| 05:18.15 | L4m3r | we also would then not have to ask who made it |
| 05:18.34 | ruskie | Manu, will give it a try |
| 05:26.35 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15559 10/trunk/db/bzfls2/ (bzfls.php includes/datalayer.class.php): |
| 05:26.35 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Smarter DataLayer::Player_Update_ByUsername |
| 05:26.35 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Delete the token when we check it |
| 05:26.35 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Global authentication works (groups still need to be implemented) |
| 05:27.29 | blast007 | brlcad: I have a + by my name in a local server ;D |
| 05:27.34 | brlcad | yesh, server getting hard tonight |
| 05:27.40 | brlcad | *hit |
| 05:27.52 | Winny | rofl |
| 05:27.52 | brlcad | blast007: coool |
| 05:28.31 | blast007 | AWOSLappy: put one in the freezer |
| 05:28.40 | brlcad | well, it certainly has been going up and down, up and down |
| 05:28.48 | AWOSLappy | brlcad: rofl |
| 05:29.09 | brlcad | it hasn't been hit the much for *months* |
| 05:29.15 | Winny | brlcad: DOS? |
| 05:29.23 | blast007 | Winny: no, BSD |
| 05:29.26 | Winny | or just general list server suckage? |
| 05:29.27 | brlcad | no, just coincidence |
| 05:29.29 | AWOSLappy | lol |
| 05:29.50 | AWOSLappy | BZFlag for DOS! |
| 05:29.59 | AWOSLappy | ooooh that's an evil thought, but fun. |
| 05:30.09 | AWOSLappy | I'd LOVE to be able to unwind with BZFlag on my 486 :P |
| 05:30.19 | blast007 | AWOSLappy: install Windows 95 then |
| 05:30.47 | Macrosoft | bzbb is going very slow |
| 05:30.48 | AWOSLappy | blast007: I think it has that already |
| 05:30.56 | blast007 | Macrosoft: read up |
| 05:30.57 | AWOSLappy | Macrosoft: Read what brlcad just said. |
| 05:31.11 | blast007 | AWOSLappy: I ran 2.0.something on a 486 75MHz with Windows 95 ;) |
| 05:31.14 | blast007 | slooooow |
| 05:31.18 | AWOSLappy | blast007: It won't even run on my Pentium II/300 with 4M VRAM |
| 05:31.28 | Winny | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=114296#114296 |
| 05:31.28 | blast007 | hmm |
| 05:31.29 | AWOSLappy | I very doubt it would run on a 486/50 with 1M VRAM |
| 05:31.40 | Winny | oh... the irony betwen the double post and what he said. |
| 05:31.41 | Macrosoft | blast007: he said the server is getting hard :S |
| 05:31.50 | blast007 | in this case, the VRAM probably doesn't matter |
| 05:31.57 | blast007 | since I doubt either does acceleration of GL :) |
| 05:32.09 | AWOSLappy | Macrosoft: well, bypass the sexual innuendo and you get that it has a lot of request pouring in to it. |
| 05:32.13 | AWOSLappy | :) |
| 05:32.24 | AWOSLappy | blast007: the P2 does, it's an ATI 3D Rage Pro |
| 05:32.35 | blast007 | AWOSLappy: heh.. |
| 05:32.40 | AWOSLappy | blast007: that was a top-of-the-line, 40fps-in-Quake machine when new |
| 05:32.46 | blast007 | :) |
| 05:32.50 | AWOSLappy | :) |
| 05:32.51 | Macrosoft | gah! i double posted because of slowness of server |
| 05:32.56 | blast007 | so was my Savage IX |
| 05:34.50 | AWOSLappy | ATI made a number of changes over the 3D RAGE II: a new triangle setup engine, perspective correction improvements, fog support and transparency implementations, specular lighting support, and enhanced video playback and DVD support. The 3D RAGE Pro chip was designed for Intel's Accelerated Graphics Port (AGP), taking advantage of execute-mode texturing, command pipelining, sideband addressing, and full 2x-mode protocols. |
| 05:35.06 | AWOSLappy | ... [with newer drivers it has] native OpenGL support |
| 05:35.25 | Winny | 2x.. lol |
| 05:35.39 | AWOSLappy | Winny: in Nov 1997, AGP 2x was teh pwn. |
| 05:35.57 | Winny | AWOSLappy: its 2007, not 1997 |
| 05:36.12 | AWOSLappy | it runs Flash applets better than this AGP 8x RADEON 7000 with Celeron 1600 |
| 05:36.34 | ruskie | lol I still have a rage pro myself... though it's pci(all-in-wonder) |
| 05:36.46 | AWOSLappy | ruskie: they wooted, didn't they? |
| 05:36.53 | blast007 | Macrosoft: fixed your double post ;) |
| 05:36.58 | ruskie | ran it for 5 years |
| 05:36.58 | Macrosoft | yep |
| 05:37.19 | AWOSLappy | yeah. |
| 05:37.41 | AWOSLappy | wow, you have an AIW. those are _still_ supported by ATi |
| 05:37.49 | ruskie | yeah |
| 05:38.00 | ruskie | but the coax connector is broken |
| 05:38.11 | ruskie | and I so don't want to send them the whole card just to replace that little bit |
| 05:39.04 | L4m3r | that's not a "little bit" |
| 05:39.13 | AWOSLappy | that's a pretty important bit. |
| 05:39.17 | L4m3r | they'd likely have to replace the whole tuner box on the board |
| 05:39.29 | ruskie | nope |
| 05:39.31 | AWOSLappy | and I'd hurry it up, ruskie, the older the card is, the worse the support is |
| 05:39.37 | ruskie | it's only the connector |
| 05:39.43 | ruskie | which can be desoldered and replaced easily |
| 05:39.47 | L4m3r | yeah, but ATi doesn't service the tuner box |
| 05:40.05 | L4m3r | it's manufactured by someone else, usually... Philips, Samsung, etc |
| 05:40.15 | ruskie | well it's not really an issue |
| 05:40.17 | AWOSLappy | ruskie: if you think you could fix it, don't send it, otherwise I'd send it _now_ |
| 05:40.27 | ruskie | everything else works :) |
| 05:40.40 | AWOSLappy | :) |
| 05:40.53 | ruskie | not to mention that getting input capabilities working under linux is a pita |
| 05:41.08 | AWOSLappy | native "ati" server should work |
| 05:41.11 | AWOSLappy | oh, input |
| 05:41.27 | ruskie | basicaly boils down to: you use dri and no input or gatos and get input |
| 05:41.30 | AWOSLappy | let me know. my 3D Rage Pro has RCA jacks |
| 05:41.51 | AWOSLappy | I don't know if you'd consider that an AIW or not. it's on the mobo, so it's a Rage LT |
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| 05:41.55 | ruskie | of course the question is would gatos even work nowdays... |
| 05:42.03 | AWOSLappy | that was when IGPs weren't bad. |
| 05:42.08 | ruskie | :) |
| 05:42.19 | AWOSLappy | most of an AIW on the mobo? I just couldn't refuse that deal :) |
| 05:42.27 | ruskie | though the card is still in use :) |
| 05:42.34 | AWOSLappy | was pretty reasonable price back then, too |
| 05:42.34 | ruskie | using it in my media box :) |
| 05:42.39 | ruskie | hooked to the tv... |
| 05:42.41 | AWOSLappy | ruskie: that's awesome :D |
| 05:43.03 | ruskie | to bad it doesn't have v4l* supported tuner... else I'd might even consider fixing it... |
| 05:43.46 | ruskie | I asked them for the bit that got broken but they responded by requesting I send them the card... |
| 05:43.57 | ruskie | I guess I could try asking the maker of the tuner directly... |
| 05:44.32 | AWOSLappy | they may not even give you the time of day. you aren't a wholesaler |
| 05:44.39 | AWOSLappy | you can try, but don't expect much |
| 05:44.48 | ruskie | I never expect anything :) |
| 05:44.51 | AWOSLappy | :) |
| 05:45.06 | AWOSLappy | were you expecting that? :) |
| 05:45.18 | ruskie | lol |
| 05:51.00 | ruskie | hmm need to modify bzadmin to colour the text even in stdboth mode... |
| 05:55.08 | L4m3r | why? |
| 05:55.27 | L4m3r | stdboth is more used for logging |
| 05:55.30 | ruskie | because it's annoying to read the output plainly... |
| 05:55.41 | ruskie | well how about providing a stdbothcolor then? |
| 05:55.55 | ruskie | I'd like to run a bzadmin instance through irssi in it's own irssi window |
| 05:56.15 | ruskie | and having it two colour only is a tad annoying... |
| 05:56.22 | L4m3r | you can't do it with curses? |
| 05:57.11 | ruskie | well I can give it a try but I highly doubt it... not to mention I won't be using it's input... I'll be sending input to it from irssi to stdin |
| 05:57.34 | ruskie | infact I think I tried ncurses and it didn't really work |
| 05:57.43 | ruskie | through irssi that is |
| 05:58.09 | ruskie | not that I have even the faintest clue on how to add colours to it... |
| 05:59.18 | AWOSLappy | ruskie: ^C<irc color #>text |
| 05:59.20 | AWOSLappy | i.e. |
| 05:59.25 | ruskie | no |
| 05:59.27 | ruskie | ansi colors |
| 05:59.29 | AWOSLappy | ^C2c^C3olors! |
| 05:59.30 | L4m3r | me neither. I had just assumed that was what curses was for. |
| 05:59.40 | ruskie | hmm well it accepts ColorCode |
| 05:59.42 | AWOSLappy | ruskie: oh, then you would use ANSI. |
| 05:59.45 | ruskie | whatever that might be... |
| 05:59.54 | ruskie | AWOSLappy, I meant in the code... |
| 06:00.27 | AWOSLappy | ohhhhh. |
| 06:00.42 | AWOSLappy | it's an ANSI char code |
| 06:01.04 | AWOSLappy | http://www.google.com/search?q=ANSI+character+code+colors |
| 06:01.25 | ruskie | hmm so it seems ColorCode would be one of: Default, White, Red, Green, Blue, Purple, Yellow, Cyan... so I guess I'd just need to add the ansi code in there depending on what ColorCode was passed... through... |
| 06:01.45 | ruskie | AWOSLappy, on an annoyance scale of 1 ... 10 you're on a 9 |
| 06:01.50 | ruskie | currently |
| 06:04.24 | ruskie | hmm I guess I'd need something like: std::pair<std::string, ColorCode> p(msg, color); from the curses ui... |
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| 06:04.49 | AWOSLappy | \x1B[30m for black, \x1B[31m for red, etc. |
| 06:04.52 | AWOSLappy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANSI_escape_code |
| 06:05.12 | AWOSLappy | that's standard C/Perl/Ruby/etc ANSI escape codes |
| 06:05.14 | ruskie | amazingly you're telling me what I already know more or less... |
| 06:05.27 | AWOSLappy | then what _is_ your question? |
| 06:05.36 | AWOSLappy | <ruskie> not that I have even the faintest clue on how to add ansi colours to it... |
| 06:05.57 | ruskie | read that as I haven't the foggiest on how to code |
| 06:06.07 | AWOSLappy | ohh. |
| 06:06.35 | AWOSLappy | C++? cout >> "\x1B[CODEm"; |
| 06:08.35 | Constitution | how important is it that code stay within the 80 column? |
| 06:09.34 | AWOSLappy | Constitution: depends on the project |
| 06:09.50 | AWOSLappy | AWOS has a firm rule (namely because I use real VTs) that it's 80 columns. That's IT. |
| 06:10.09 | Constitution | AWOSLappy: I'm referring to BZFlag |
| 06:10.21 | AWOSLappy | No idea. |
| 06:10.25 | AWOSLappy | Compare current code. |
| 06:28.52 | JeffM | Constitution, all depends how much you care |
| 06:28.55 | JeffM | I never care |
| 06:28.59 | JeffM | and look where it got me :) |
| 06:29.15 | JeffM | some try some don't |
| 06:29.21 | JeffM | it's the least thing to worry about |
| 06:31.25 | Constitution | okay... yeah I guess it's just formatting |
| 06:31.44 | JeffM | yeah |
| 06:32.00 | Constitution | but I would rather format "properly" in other senses, such as tabbing, than worry so much about the 80-column |
| 06:32.02 | JeffM | I know of nobody who uses a 80 character wide display |
| 06:32.07 | JeffM | yes |
| 06:32.10 | JeffM | tabs > 80 |
| 06:32.23 | Constitution | k |
| 06:32.34 | JeffM | tabs are prety much the only thing I even tried to match with the "coding docs" |
| 06:32.46 | JeffM | and only cus dtr made a VC plug-in to do it for me :) |
| 06:32.53 | JeffM | I'm a bastage |
| 06:50.51 | ruskie | \o/ I has colorz in bzadmin |
| 06:50.59 | ruskie | stdboth mode that is |
| 06:56.44 | ruskie | though hmm.... kills still seem to be reported as colour-less... |
| 06:56.51 | ruskie | but atleast chatter isn't... which is good |
| 06:58.36 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15560 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (5 files in 4 dirs): move the save dialog to common controls |
| 06:59.08 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15561 10/trunk/bzworkbench/plugins/Win32CommonControls/Win32CommonControls.cpp: add a standard windows save dialog via the Win32CommonControls plug-in |
| 07:12.26 | daxxar | I hope the Intel IGPs get VS-support under Linux ;) |
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| 09:26.50 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r15562 10/trunk/db/bzgrpmgr/ (6 files): |
| 09:26.50 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: Reorganized data layer into a class. |
| 09:26.50 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: "listmemberships" action works. |
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| 09:37.47 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r15563 10/trunk/db/bzgrpmgr/ (bzgrpmgr.php functions.inc): Started on "Create Group" page, reorganized links a bit. |
| 09:39.54 | Constitution | http://fairserve.bzflag.org/bzgrpmgr/bzgrpmgr.php |
| 09:41.16 | Constitution | Going to need some UI work next, I guess |
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| 15:56.50 | TD-Linux | anyone want to play with me on Rabid Rabbits? |
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| 16:22.53 | Epyon | DTRemenak, ping? |
| 16:33.28 | JeffM | I don't think he's in yet |
| 16:33.58 | JeffM | I have a feelign he'll be late, he's been traveling |
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| 16:41.20 | Epyon | Erroneous, ping? |
| 16:41.29 | Erroneous | Epyon: pong |
| 16:42.12 | Epyon | Erroneous, it's almost the end of the survey deadline o.O |
| 16:42.18 | Erroneous | almost :) |
| 16:42.45 | Epyon | It's dangerous to do timed things at the last possible moment -_- |
| 16:43.16 | Erroneous | hi Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle ;) |
| 16:43.50 | Erroneous | but I know...was out of town |
| 16:43.59 | Epyon | But that one was solely my risk :P |
| 16:44.06 | JeffM | I can do his evaluation for you :) |
| 16:44.15 | Epyon | NO, NOT YOU |
| 16:44.17 | Epyon | xP |
| 16:44.34 | Erroneous | yeah, if I had been delayed/hit by a bus/whatever for some reason there are two others who could complete it |
| 16:44.53 | JeffM | brlcad has a large report to send to goole |
| 16:45.14 | Erroneous | and I still have three days, so it's not *exactly* last-minute :P |
| 16:45.31 | Epyon | Erroneous, mind the time zone :P |
| 16:46.02 | JeffM | it's a good think you wern't here yesterday Erroneous, I amost commited a plug-in full of evil |
| 16:46.13 | Erroneous | again? |
| 16:46.14 | JeffM | isn't google up north? |
| 16:46.19 | JeffM | Erroneous, very much big time |
| 16:46.26 | Erroneous | it's in mountain view |
| 16:46.28 | JeffM | MFC |
| 16:46.40 | JeffM | int BZWorkbench |
| 16:47.22 | Erroneous | eww |
| 16:48.21 | JeffM | thankfuly it didn't work :) |
| 16:48.46 | JeffM | didn't want to take the time to figure out how to hook the FLTK main window into the mini app that the DLL had |
| 16:49.00 | JeffM | so I just went with old school win32 calls :) |
| 16:49.27 | Epyon | JeffM, wouldn't a dual interface actually be cool? |
| 16:49.36 | JeffM | Epyon, what do you mean? |
| 16:50.19 | Epyon | I mean that BZWB would use WinAPI in windows and FLTK elsewhere :P |
| 16:50.32 | JeffM | umm yeah dude, that's like what I started doing |
| 16:50.47 | Epyon | So what went wrong? |
| 16:50.49 | JeffM | you drop the Win32CommonControls.dll into the plugins dir |
| 16:51.02 | JeffM | and you get native file and save dialgos instead of those crap FLTK ones |
| 16:51.06 | JeffM | MFC didn't work |
| 16:51.08 | JeffM | WIn32 did |
| 16:51.22 | JeffM | MFC needs more backend code, that is harder to hook into |
| 16:51.41 | Epyon | JeffM, how about writing an abstraction layer over the interface? |
| 16:51.55 | JeffM | Epyon, that's what I did, via the API |
| 16:52.16 | Epyon | ~JeffM++ |
| 16:52.45 | JeffM | I'd like to have most of the interface items overideable, cus there's bound to be more then one way to do the interface |
| 16:52.52 | JeffM | this way we can have UI plugins |
| 16:52.58 | Erroneous | duplicating interface stuff is generally a bad idea, especially when we have a reasonably good crossplatform toolkit in use. just makes it harder to maintain |
| 16:53.09 | JeffM | Erroneous, mostly I wanted the common controlls |
| 16:53.13 | JeffM | open, close etc.. |
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| 16:53.20 | Erroneous | yeah, those are good |
| 16:53.23 | JeffM | maybe the menu |
| 16:53.25 | JeffM | not the dialogs |
| 16:53.40 | JeffM | I want to expose the FLTK dialog stuff, so plugins can define dialgos |
| 16:53.47 | Erroneous | yup |
| 16:53.52 | Erroneous | that sounds good |
| 16:53.53 | JeffM | and overide the build in ones, with difrent ones, that's what I meant |
| 16:54.16 | Erroneous | hm. maybe. seems like a lot of work for little return to me. |
| 16:54.17 | JeffM | like have a plug-in handle the world movment, or add a vew pannel, or stuff |
| 16:54.31 | JeffM | I haven't done that part yet |
| 16:54.36 | JeffM | was just pondering |
| 16:54.43 | JeffM | mostly the file dialog :) |
| 16:54.49 | JeffM | cus MAN does that FLTK one suck |
| 17:01.35 | JeffM | I was looking at the FLTK docs, there may be a way to get the gneric widget info, overide the draw, and have it be done with native Win32 calls :) |
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| 17:01.49 | JeffM | that'd be awecome |
| 17:02.54 | JeffM | gotta see what I can do with the menu bar next |
| 17:03.02 | JeffM | it scales as a % of window size |
| 17:04.17 | Winny | You know you've been using BZEdit too much when you go into firefox, and start left clicking and dragging to change the page |
| 17:04.32 | Winny | s/left/right |
| 17:04.43 | JeffM | there ya go ;) |
| 17:05.08 | JeffM | could change the interface to be middle click to move |
| 17:05.13 | JeffM | then it'd be the same as firefox |
| 17:05.30 | Winny | :P |
| 17:05.47 | JeffM | right to move, left to select seems more universal to me I think |
| 17:05.54 | JeffM | unless we want to go with modes |
| 17:05.59 | JeffM | I'm not a huge fan of modes |
| 17:07.50 | JeffM | Erroneous, I was able to get OSG to build finaly tho |
| 17:07.56 | Erroneous | cool |
| 17:08.07 | JeffM | and I put up a set of premade bins |
| 17:09.00 | JeffM | you may want to update the VC8 project to be more like the VC71 one. it copies just the DLLs it needs, uses environ vars for OSG and FTGL, etc.. |
| 17:10.59 | JeffM | oh and I probably jacked the makefile system for it up when I took out include/ out of all the #includes :) |
| 17:16.04 | Erroneous | heh |
| 17:16.35 | JeffM | I fixed the makefile when I moved all the sources files to src |
| 17:16.50 | JeffM | but I don't think I got the include stuff riight |
| 17:16.57 | JeffM | the make system is spread out all over |
| 17:17.05 | JeffM | and for soem rason in a folder called "debug" |
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| 17:19.56 | Erroneous | it's autogenerated by eclipse, iirc |
| 17:20.08 | Erroneous | which you probably also broke ;) |
| 17:20.33 | JeffM | mayhaps |
| 17:22.35 | AWOSLappy | \o/! |
| 17:22.43 | AWOSLappy | I got bzwb to actually do something! |
| 17:22.46 | JeffM | what does that mean? |
| 17:23.09 | AWOSLappy | I mean, I was able to get it to display the base PNGs, so I can actually create a world now. |
| 17:23.17 | JeffM | no the thing before that |
| 17:23.58 | AWOSLappy | \o/! --> this is a guy with his hands up, like he's really excited. |
| 17:24.22 | JeffM | ummm if you say so |
| 17:24.46 | JeffM | personaly I would replace that with "Whoot!" as it's like readable |
| 17:25.48 | AWOSLappy | This is what it looks like --> http://i11.tinypic.com/4uxlhys.png |
| 17:26.15 | JeffM | yeah.. we know |
| 17:28.03 | TD-Linux | hey Epyon look on constitution's server |
| 17:28.10 | TD-Linux | there is one insane skyscraper there :P |
| 17:28.25 | AWOSLappy | Now, is there any manual on actual BZW? I don't understand very well how to position everything |
| 17:28.47 | JeffM | the world format you mean? |
| 17:28.54 | JeffM | or for the program? |
| 17:30.32 | AWOSLappy | I believe I need the manual on the world format, because I need to know the X/Y/Z things. for example, it looks like 5 units is one map square. |
| 17:30.52 | JeffM | world format is in wiki |
| 17:30.59 | JeffM | but it won't tell you that |
| 17:31.09 | JeffM | since the "Square" is a construct of the editor |
| 17:31.36 | JeffM | and XYZ should be obvious |
| 17:31.37 | AWOSLappy | ohh. I didn't realise that. |
| 17:31.39 | JeffM | Z i up |
| 17:32.00 | JeffM | the standard map is +- 400 units |
| 17:32.11 | AWOSLappy | I know that. I've done 3D rendering. what I don't quite know is why 50 units doesn't really do anything |
| 17:32.46 | JeffM | go look at the tank page on the wiki, it'll help you pick the scale |
| 17:33.17 | JeffM | it's all arbitrary |
| 17:35.57 | AWOSLappy | one unit is the size of the tank. okay. |
| 17:36.02 | JeffM | no |
| 17:36.33 | AWOSLappy | ...1000 cubic "units" (one unit is about the size of a tank in the game),... |
| 17:36.46 | JeffM | where do you see that? |
| 17:37.21 | JeffM | the tank is 8 units long, 2.8 units wide, and 2 units high |
| 17:37.32 | AWOSLappy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BZFlag#Maps |
| 17:37.57 | JeffM | dude use our wiki |
| 17:38.09 | AWOSLappy | ohh. |
| 17:38.24 | JeffM | cus that stuff is like wrong |
| 17:38.26 | Erroneous | "the wiki" in this channel means "the bzflag wiki", silly |
| 17:38.29 | JeffM | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Tank |
| 17:38.38 | AWOSLappy | Erroneous: :) |
| 17:38.45 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: okay, thank you. |
| 17:38.48 | JeffM | the wikipedia article shoudl just link to our wiki anyway |
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| 17:51.01 | JeffM | OH MY GOD! |
| 17:51.09 | JeffM | this is not going to be fun |
| 17:51.16 | ts | Hmm? |
| 17:51.17 | Epyon | JeffM? |
| 17:51.22 | JeffM | 1912 instances of "this->" |
| 17:51.30 | Epyon | O.o |
| 17:51.33 | AWOSLappy | O_o |
| 17:51.41 | ts | What's the problem? |
| 17:51.47 | AWOSLappy | what does that have to do with anything? |
| 17:51.59 | JeffM | shadow variables all over the place |
| 17:52.43 | ts | Now I need to know what shadow variables are :/ |
| 17:53.28 | AWOSLappy | I believe he's talking about members of this-> |
| 17:53.31 | JeffM | member variables of the class, confict with locals in methods, so he used this-> for all the clas ones |
| 17:53.33 | ts | found it |
| 17:53.58 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: oh wow...who was it? |
| 17:54.11 | JeffM | jude- |
| 17:54.24 | AWOSLappy | ~lart jude- |
| 17:54.24 | ibot | cats /dev/urandom into jude-'s ear |
| 17:54.35 | AWOSLappy | has he never heard of g_ ? |
| 17:54.45 | JeffM | or _ for the locals |
| 17:54.53 | JeffM | data = _data; |
| 17:55.09 | AWOSLappy | yeah, I've seen that too...wow... |
| 17:55.15 | ts | Heh, in my past project I shadowed a lot of variables, too... |
| 17:55.41 | JeffM | it's not good practice |
| 17:55.48 | JeffM | specialy when others are going to work on the code |
| 17:55.57 | Epyon | _data is not a good practice? |
| 17:56.16 | JeffM | _data is |
| 17:56.19 | JeffM | shadowing is not |
| 17:56.21 | Erroneous | _x and this->x are actually very similar. one typo and your code doesn't work. |
| 17:56.28 | JeffM | yeah |
| 17:56.35 | Erroneous | better to use good names |
| 17:56.36 | JeffM | I just prefer to make the locals difrent |
| 17:56.40 | JeffM | not the globals |
| 17:56.45 | AWOSLappy | I favor the g_ for globals |
| 17:56.56 | AWOSLappy | probably because I use locals more than globals in my applications |
| 17:57.16 | JeffM | I'm changing all his stuff now |
| 17:57.34 | Erroneous | it's all bad. you need unambiguous names. just "avoiding shadowing" is not sufficient (explicit scoping works fine for that). |
| 17:57.52 | Epyon | Hmm so what should I change lines like this? (Class constructor): |
| 17:57.54 | Epyon | Material(const int _name, const std::string& _file, bool _noradar = false) : name(_name), file(_file), noradar(_noradar) {}; |
| 17:58.19 | JeffM | isualy I'm puting "input" or "temp" in front of the name :) |
| 17:58.20 | Erroneous | constructors are a slightly different case |
| 17:58.20 | AWOSLappy | Epyon: well, Erroneous is saying that you should just use good names |
| 17:58.24 | AWOSLappy | those are pretty good names |
| 17:58.33 | AWOSLappy | oh wow, the power just browned. |
| 17:58.34 | Erroneous | since when you're mapping directly, you WANT the names to be the same |
| 17:59.15 | Epyon | Erroneous, I think that's a good naming scheme as long as I use it ONLY in constructors, and only in direct initialization -_- |
| 17:59.20 | Epyon | I might be wrong, though... |
| 17:59.41 | JeffM | int x = x(); |
| 17:59.43 | JeffM | that's a bute |
| 17:59.45 | Epyon | Anyway, I keep to this scheme pretty much consequently everywhere. |
| 17:59.55 | Epyon | JeffM? |
| 18:00.23 | Erroneous | but there's no particular reason to use _ instead of this-> in constructors either. jude tends to do things like (to steal your example) Material(const int name, const std::string& file, bool noradar = false) { this->name = name; this->file = file; this->noradar = noradar; } |
| 18:01.06 | AWOSLappy | Epyon: yeah, it seems to be the case (to me anyways). just don't go overboard, Mr. getFaceWithVertexExceptTheOnePassedAsAnArgumentAndReturnItsIndexInThatFaceToo :P |
| 18:01.24 | Epyon | AWOSLappy, oh come on, I was desperate :P |
| 18:02.16 | Erroneous | there are some problems with using this-> to disambiguate in some cases on gcc, since it can fire -Wshadow. that's the best reason not to use it. |
| 18:02.37 | Epyon | Erroneous, but then you can't use autoinitialization, and AFAIK that's faster :) |
| 18:02.48 | Erroneous | depends on the compiler, Epyon |
| 18:03.17 | Epyon | Erroneous, afaik it doesn't initialize objects with () then. |
| 18:03.32 | Erroneous | hm? |
| 18:03.38 | Epyon | And immidately initializes them with the proper constructor. |
| 18:03.43 | AWOSLappy | Erroneous: ah ha I finally remember why I pinged you! |
| 18:03.55 | Epyon | Say we have string name; in that material class. |
| 18:04.37 | AWOSLappy | Erroneous: aren't you the one who suggested putting MSVCRT.LIB from Visual C++ 6.0 in to my 7.1 libs directory so that I could compile GTK apps? |
| 18:04.45 | Epyon | In the "jude example" it would be first initialized with string (); and then once the execution reaches this->name = name; it would be reinitialized with string(name) |
| 18:04.48 | Erroneous | AWOSLappy: no, I suggested building GTK yourself |
| 18:04.56 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15564 10/trunk/bzworkbench/ (73 files in 11 dirs): remove the 1912 instances of this-> and a number of shadow variables |
| 18:04.59 | Erroneous | anything else is just a hack |
| 18:05.17 | Epyon | In my example string() is dropped, and immidately string(name) constructor is used. |
| 18:05.24 | Epyon | All AFAIK. |
| 18:05.38 | Erroneous | Epyon: since when is string(int) a valid constructor? :P |
| 18:06.19 | Epyon | yyyh, I forgoyt Material takes an int. Assume for the sake of argument it's a string :) |
| 18:06.20 | Erroneous | and yes, reasonable compilers will take shortcuts on autoinitialization |
| 18:07.29 | AWOSLappy | itoa(int, int)? :P |
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| 18:25.43 | Chestal | Epyon: yes, in general it is good practice to use the constructor initializer whenever possible |
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| 18:30.57 | AWOSLappy | woo! I'm going to go test my new world |
| 18:33.52 | TD-Linux | I'm content with this one |
| 18:35.46 | AWOSLappy | TD-Linux: :p |
| 18:36.13 | Winny | does someone have a working EXE for BZWB? |
| 18:36.25 | Winny | I wanna make the first "real" 1.0 world with it :p |
| 18:36.55 | tannerld | Winny: blast's doesn't work? |
| 18:37.00 | Winny | tannerld: nope |
| 18:37.14 | tannerld | heh |
| 18:38.10 | Winny | can't select objects |
| 18:38.33 | AWOSLappy | Winny: right here |
| 18:38.41 | AWOSLappy | Winny: I just made a world! |
| 18:38.47 | Winny | AWOSLappy: :( |
| 18:38.47 | AWOSLappy | just the EXE file? |
| 18:38.54 | Winny | yes |
| 18:39.05 | tannerld | Release the first BZWB map in the forums and get a spot on MDG :P |
| 18:39.24 | AWOSLappy | tannerld: I'm still working on it :P |
| 18:39.31 | AWOSLappy | right now there are 4 bases, and 4 boxes. |
| 18:39.34 | tannerld | AWOSLappy: hurry, before winny installs linux :P |
| 18:39.40 | tannerld | AWOSLappy: thats a good start :P |
| 18:39.57 | AWOSLappy | I can't get it to work 100% of the time |
| 18:40.09 | Winny | I wonder if my mouse drivers have anything to do with the fact nothing gets selected/un-slected |
| 18:40.27 | tannerld | AWOSLappy: bzwb? |
| 18:40.41 | AWOSLappy | yes |
| 18:41.07 | AWOSLappy | for instance: right now, I can select things and play with the arrows, but I can't get it to double-right-click to edit the properties by hand |
| 18:44.48 | AWOSLappy | meh. making a new world worked. |
| 18:47.50 | Winny | donny_baker: poke |
| 18:48.06 | donny_baker | ~lart winny |
| 18:48.06 | ibot | forces winny to use Outlook Express |
| 18:48.12 | donny_baker | rofl |
| 18:48.59 | AWOSLappy | Doesn't he do that already? |
| 18:49.02 | AWOSLappy | :P |
| 18:50.06 | AWOSLappy | ~lart Winny's parents for using OE |
| 18:50.06 | ibot | cuts Winny's parents into thin stripes for using OE |
| 18:55.29 | AWOSLappy | does bzwb let you move around at zoom, or do I have to be fully zoomed out to see the corners? |
| 18:56.19 | tannerld | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.30 | tannerld | not sure if you can do it while zooming |
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| 18:57.36 | AWOSLappy | I mean, when I am zoomed in, I can't see the corners |
| 18:57.47 | AWOSLappy | the center of the camera is locked to the center of the world |
| 19:00.18 | A_Heart_Attack | maybe shift |
| 19:00.23 | A_Heart_Attack | or ctrl? |
| 19:00.52 | AWOSLappy | nope. |
| 19:01.07 | AWOSLappy | also, why can't I get this bugger to change which item is in the Master Configuration Dialog? |
| 19:01.21 | AWOSLappy | no matter what I select, the only one I can change is the most recently added item |
| 19:01.32 | A_Heart_Attack | well, its still in development |
| 19:01.38 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: you've read the code, is there a specific reason for this? |
| 19:01.44 | A_Heart_Attack | so im sure all the bugs will be worked out |
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| 19:05.37 | AWOSLappy | Hmm. Seems that it takes an bzobj. shouldn't be that much work to hack a little patch. |
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| 19:41.19 | JeffM | AWOSLappy, huh? I was eating foods |
| 19:41.25 | JeffM | phad Thai :) |
| 19:41.30 | AWOSLappy | :) |
| 19:41.46 | JeffM | are you asking about the camera in WB? |
| 19:41.51 | AWOSLappy | yes |
| 19:41.54 | JeffM | it sucks |
| 19:41.58 | JeffM | and will be replaced |
| 19:41.58 | AWOSLappy | yes :P |
| 19:43.13 | JeffM | once I figure out how it all works, I'll replace it with the one from power painter |
| 19:43.19 | JeffM | it works a lot better |
| 19:43.27 | tannerld | heh |
| 19:43.34 | JeffM | where you start draging stays perty much under the cursor as you drag |
| 19:44.00 | tannerld | I noticed that too |
| 19:44.45 | AWOSLappy | also, why can't I get this bugger to change which item is in the Master Configuration Dialog? |
| 19:44.55 | AWOSLappy | no matter what I select, the only one I can change is the most recently added item |
| 19:45.43 | donny_baker | the user interface is just a placeholder, while he worked on the backend |
| 19:47.20 | donny_baker | correct me if I'm wrong, but it would be a streach to even call this an alpha of bzwb yet |
| 19:47.49 | AWOSLappy | donny_baker: he said it's between alpha and beta |
| 19:48.15 | AWOSLappy | but really. how do I "Tweak" an item? |
| 19:48.49 | JeffM | cus it's just dev code |
| 19:48.58 | JeffM | all the answers are "cus that's how it's writen" |
| 19:50.00 | donny_baker | ~pw |
| 19:50.00 | ibot | hmm... patches welcome is a common response by maintainers of Open Source products. It's roughly means "We don't have much time on our hands, so if you write that feature and send it to us we will likely roll it in. If you don't have the time to write it, we don't either. Stop asking for it." |
| 19:50.11 | donny_baker | :) |
| 19:50.18 | JeffM | no, not just patches, more like design work |
| 19:51.05 | tannerld | programmers are no good at makign a program look good/effiecent |
| 19:51.13 | JeffM | they can be |
| 19:51.22 | JeffM | if they take the time to design it |
| 19:52.10 | L4m3r | The programmer's perspective is usually skewed, because they know the ins and outs of the program from the get-go, and design the interface accordingly |
| 19:52.25 | JeffM | it depends on what that programers goal is :) |
| 19:52.37 | JeffM | if they care more about the back end, then yes, that is true |
| 19:52.42 | L4m3r | So, programs designed by programmers from the ground up can sometimes be difficult for people who are new to the app |
| 19:52.47 | JeffM | if the programer is just doing the UI, then no |
| 19:53.12 | TD-Linux | blender :P |
| 19:53.15 | JeffM | you all are asuming that each program is made by a single person |
| 19:53.17 | AWOSLappy | well, when I'm developing programs, I user test it using some of my not-advanced friends |
| 19:53.34 | JeffM | TD-Linux, photoshop, it's UI was designed by a programer |
| 19:53.37 | JeffM | an UI programer ;) |
| 19:53.51 | L4m3r | photoshop's UI stinks |
| 19:53.53 | L4m3r | :P |
| 19:53.55 | tannerld | designer/programmer |
| 19:54.00 | JeffM | it's better then gimp ;) |
| 19:54.09 | JeffM | blender suffers from design by committie |
| 19:54.14 | L4m3r | actually, done right, gimp can be pretty good |
| 19:54.19 | TD-Linux | I was using blender at school one day, and my somewhat-n00by friend thought it was cool and asked for it |
| 19:54.20 | L4m3r | I discovered this recently |
| 19:54.27 | TD-Linux | so I copied it to his flash drive |
| 19:54.39 | TD-Linux | the next day he came back with a sword mesh he made in it o.O |
| 19:55.01 | ruskie | http://www.openusability.org/ <-- :) |
| 19:55.02 | tannerld | 'Whos the n00by friend now?' :P |
| 19:55.03 | JeffM | then why do more people use bzedit over blender? |
| 19:55.18 | donny_baker | i could barely make the man in the tut :P |
| 19:55.29 | tannerld | donny_baker: lol |
| 19:55.29 | L4m3r | in KDE, at least, if you snap the gimp toolbars to the edge of the screen, and fill the rest with the editor windows, it works just fine |
| 19:55.53 | AWOSLappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:55.55 | L4m3r | you can do that with PS, too, but it's less elegant :P |
| 19:55.57 | JeffM | a programer can do a good UI, they just need to understand the caveats of it |
| 19:56.05 | AWOSLappy | um, shouldn't be it Copyright (c) 2007 Jude Nelson ? |
| 19:56.20 | JeffM | L4m3r, that's the window system, not gimp ;) |
| 19:56.24 | L4m3r | the only issue with GIMP is that its toolbar windows don't float |
| 19:56.30 | JeffM | gimp's geting better |
| 19:56.41 | JeffM | they will be good in a year or so |
| 19:56.45 | L4m3r | but floating toolbars are annoying because they cover the image |
| 19:56.57 | L4m3r | if PS's side bars all docked into the side of the window, it'd be awesome |
| 19:56.58 | JeffM | L4m3r, put them on your second display? |
| 19:57.17 | L4m3r | I usually shrink the PS window and stick all the toolbars outside |
| 19:57.18 | JeffM | L4m3r, you can doc them to the main window section since CS1 |
| 19:57.34 | L4m3r | hm... |
| 19:57.47 | JeffM | and then the doc window dosn't fill under them |
| 19:57.54 | JeffM | it's just a difrent methodoglogy |
| 19:58.04 | JeffM | cus the majoritty of PS users have more then one display |
| 19:58.12 | JeffM | so they want to be able to put them elsewhere |
| 19:58.44 | JeffM | but still, my point is, you can do a good UI, you just have to follow some human intrface gudelines |
| 19:59.12 | JeffM | and if you want it to be intiutive, don't break the mold, just fit your stuff into a methodology that people are used to. |
| 19:59.40 | JeffM | we can get BZWB there |
| 19:59.47 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: actual bz question :) where are the mouse events handled in bzwb? |
| 19:59.53 | JeffM | it's just going to take some time while everyone figure out how the hell FLTK works :) |
| 19:59.58 | JeffM | AWOSLappy, no clue |
| 20:00.12 | AWOSLappy | I keep trying to trace it. it doesn't work. |
| 20:00.15 | JeffM | I can't even find the resize event |
| 20:00.22 | JeffM | FLTK has a very odd event system |
| 20:01.03 | JeffM | and the docs are somewhat weak |
| 20:01.21 | JeffM | I was hoping they'd have a section on window management |
| 20:01.48 | AWOSLappy | Resize event --> return Fl_Window::handle( event ); |
| 20:01.59 | JeffM | where is that? |
| 20:02.03 | JeffM | in the render window? |
| 20:02.12 | AWOSLappy | MainWindow.cpp:166 |
| 20:02.35 | AWOSLappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.35 | AWOSLappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.43 | AWOSLappy | RenderWindow.cpp:88-89 |
| 20:03.03 | JeffM | 166 is the else case |
| 20:03.09 | JeffM | for the events |
| 20:03.23 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: correct. it is being handled by Fl_Window::handle |
| 20:03.25 | JeffM | the render window is not the main window, it's the inset window |
| 20:03.36 | JeffM | yeah look at the enumerations for the events |
| 20:03.46 | AWOSLappy | That seems to be the FLTK equivalent of DefWindowProc |
| 20:03.48 | JeffM | do you see a resize event? |
| 20:03.54 | AWOSLappy | no. there is none. |
| 20:03.57 | JeffM | exactly |
| 20:04.43 | JeffM | the render window is not the main outter window, it's the small work area window that has GL bound to it |
| 20:04.55 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: right. RenderWindow.cpp:88-89 |
| 20:04.57 | JeffM | I've steped into that section and I didn't see anything that handled it |
| 20:05.04 | JeffM | AWOSLappy, I want the one for the MAIN window |
| 20:05.06 | AWOSLappy | oh. |
| 20:05.09 | JeffM | not the render window |
| 20:05.19 | JeffM | the render window scales fine |
| 20:05.37 | JeffM | it's the main that is also scaling the menu bar and other stuff |
| 20:05.57 | JeffM | I'm not working on it now |
| 20:06.00 | JeffM | I have real work to do |
| 20:06.26 | AWOSLappy | okay. just letting you know. |
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| 20:06.45 | JeffM | then don't tell me to "hold please" ;) |
| 20:08.22 | AWOSLappy | hehe. okay. |
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| 20:10.28 | JeffM | the mouse movement stuff should be decently easy to track down, check in render window when it moves the OSG view/camerea around |
| 20:10.31 | JeffM | and back track from there |
| 20:12.35 | AWOSLappy | not movement, I want the clicking |
| 20:12.48 | JeffM | it'll all be handled in the same place |
| 20:13.04 | AWOSLappy | s/it'll all/it should all/ |
| 20:13.18 | JeffM | what do you want to change? |
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| 20:13.47 | AWOSLappy | well I need to figure out how the Tweak... menu item gets the object to change, and then change the selection routine to set that |
| 20:13.59 | AWOSLappy | so that I can tweak any object, not just the last thing I plopped in |
| 20:14.09 | JeffM | see the nice file called "selectHandler.cpp" ? |
| 20:14.22 | AWOSLappy | yes. under Windows/Event Handlers |
| 20:14.39 | JeffM | that does what looks to be the OSG picking stuff. |
| 20:14.41 | AWOSLappy | I've read all the lines. nothing about the actual bringing up the Tweak box. |
| 20:14.55 | AWOSLappy | yeah, I saw that. but thank you :) |
| 20:15.07 | JeffM | then find the tweak box, set a break point, and check your callstack ;) |
| 20:15.20 | AWOSLappy | / use the OSG intersection API to pick objects |
| 20:15.20 | AWOSLappy | bool selectHandler::pickSelector(View* viewer, const osgGA::GUIEventAdapter& ea) { |
| 20:15.26 | AWOSLappy | JeffM hehe :) |
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| 20:27.22 | AWOSLappy | awesome, the call stack goes all the way back to WinMainCRTStartup |
| 20:28.34 | JeffM | why woudln't it? |
| 20:29.18 | AWOSLappy | well, I'm too used to AWOS, limit of 8 functions printed in the call stack |
| 20:29.24 | AWOSLappy | had to, it scrolls off the screen otherwise |
| 20:29.36 | JeffM | eww |
| 20:29.51 | JeffM | get larger screens |
| 20:29.54 | AWOSLappy | I know, I need to implement screenbuffers |
| 20:29.55 | AWOSLappy | :p |
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| 20:30.14 | AWOSLappy | but I see where the object is being found |
| 20:30.38 | xota | hi! i'm using bzfs and bzflag on same pc. bzs works without problems (friend can connect to it) but i can't connect to localhost ;( |
| 20:30.56 | JeffM | you have a firewall or something blocking it? |
| 20:31.20 | xota | JeffM, no, my friends can connect without problem. I can't connect on localhost |
| 20:31.32 | AWOSLappy | xota: can you connect using your IP address? |
| 20:31.38 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15565 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (inc/Mesh.h src/Mesh.cxx): repeatSubdivideFace implemented for the Mesh class |
| 20:31.45 | xota | public ip address? |
| 20:31.47 | JeffM | and you have no firewall software on your local PC that may prevent the localhost connection? |
| 20:31.52 | JeffM | public, private, try em all |
| 20:32.03 | xota | I try with 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:32.08 | JeffM | there are lots of setups that may limit locahost, depending on your OS |
| 20:32.09 | AWOSLappy | xota: what OS? |
| 20:32.09 | xota | go to try with 192.168.1.33 |
| 20:32.19 | xota | AWOSLappy, ubuntu |
| 20:32.22 | AWOSLappy | okay. |
| 20:33.38 | JeffM | there is nothing in BZFlag's code that would prevent it |
| 20:33.46 | JeffM | so if it's anything it's the OS |
| 20:33.59 | JeffM | you sure you have the port correct? |
| 20:36.27 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03chaos-dev * r15566 10/trunk/bzwgen/ (7 files in 3 dirs): OperationRepeat/repeath(value)[] and repeatv(value)[] added to the language. |
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| 20:38.13 | Epyon | I need relative values for subdivision, and a variable param array for subdivision, and fixing of the multimeshes and then bzwgen will be master-thesis-complete (MT-complete, lol) |
| 20:43.37 | AWOSLappy | Ah-ha! JeffM: when a new object is added, it calls ConfigurationMenu::setObject |
| 20:45.22 | tannerld | Epyon: of? |
| 20:47.31 | Epyon | facades :) |
| 20:47.52 | Epyon | Someone promised me some buildings... |
| 20:47.59 | Epyon | Textures.. |
| 20:48.13 | AWOSLappy | um wow. |
| 20:48.23 | AWOSLappy | I just moved the camera |
| 20:48.24 | JeffM | did they promice or say that they'd try to make some when they had time? |
| 20:48.29 | Epyon | ... but it seems I will have to take matters into my own hands -_- |
| 20:48.40 | Epyon | JeffM, they promised xP |
| 20:48.52 | Epyon | For like tommorow ^_^ |
| 20:48.59 | Epyon | And that was like 2-3 weeks ago xP |
| 20:48.59 | JeffM | or just grab some from quake texture sites |
| 20:49.07 | JeffM | people have lives |
| 20:49.18 | Erroneous | pft, lives are for the weak |
| 20:49.59 | Epyon | Real-life? You mean there is something out there that's not possible to connect via USB? |
| 20:50.05 | bryjen | there'll be time for living when you're.... oh, no, wait... ;) |
| 20:51.09 | AWOSLappy | Epyon: yes, there are things that can only use the 9-pole serial |
| 20:51.49 | bryjen | but, but, it's _Universal_, it should connect to everything ;) |
| 20:53.07 | AWOSLappy | hehe |
| 20:54.26 | bryjen | hmm, what was the factiod with that... |
| 20:54.33 | AWOSLappy | ~usb |
| 20:54.34 | ibot | hmm... usb is Unusable Serial Bus. Useless Serial Bus. Ugly Stupid Bus |
| 20:54.43 | bryjen | ~uart AWOSLappy |
| 20:54.44 | ibot | ACTION strangles AWOSLappy with a 9-pole serial cable. |
| 20:54.47 | AWOSLappy | hehe |
| 20:55.18 | L4m3r | aww, there are still USB haters out there? heh |
| 20:55.29 | AWOSLappy | bryjen: don't strangle me yet, I think I just made a bzwb patch |
| 20:55.34 | AWOSLappy | L4m3r: me :P |
| 20:55.52 | L4m3r | I think we can all now agree that firewire is dead for everything except cameras |
| 20:56.02 | L4m3r | and storage and ipods to a lesser extent |
| 20:56.56 | AWOSLappy | yeah, firewire for storage is good |
| 20:57.07 | L4m3r | daisy-chains are fun :P |
| 20:57.12 | JeffM | the speed isn't that much faster then USB2 |
| 20:57.24 | L4m3r | firewire 800 is |
| 20:57.35 | JeffM | and can drives keep up with that? |
| 20:57.56 | L4m3r | heh |
| 20:58.13 | L4m3r | I don't know what the average transfer rate of a SATAII drive is |
| 20:58.19 | AWOSLappy | 3Gb/s, supposedly |
| 20:58.27 | L4m3r | no, that's the burst rate |
| 20:58.34 | AWOSLappy | woot |
| 20:58.38 | JeffM | and that's the rate of the SATA interface |
| 20:58.38 | bryjen | nobody wants to talk about fire-anything and their laptops these days http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/08/24/dell_laptop_fries/ |
| 20:58.39 | L4m3r | it could never sustain that :P |
| 20:58.42 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: middle button moves the camera |
| 20:58.43 | Winny | Epyon: i said if time permits :p |
| 20:58.44 | JeffM | not nesisarly the drive |
| 20:58.55 | Winny | not to mention I seem to have become retarded in photoshop |
| 20:59.24 | L4m3r | oh well, my USB missile launcher owns you all >:D |
| 20:59.52 | AWOSLappy | Woooooooooooot, I just fixed bzwb's selection routine! |
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| 21:01.36 | AWOSLappy | http://76.26.0.123/selectHandler.patch |
| 21:01.56 | AWOSLappy | that makes it change the Master Configuration Dialog when you select an item |
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| 21:02.31 | JeffM | AWOSLappy, SF |
| 21:02.35 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: okay |
| 21:02.48 | JeffM | or how big is the change? |
| 21:02.55 | L4m3r | like, one line |
| 21:02.56 | L4m3r | lol |
| 21:02.59 | JeffM | where? |
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| 21:04.35 | L4m3r | selectHandler.cpp? |
| 21:04.53 | JeffM | yeah its' wiered |
| 21:04.56 | JeffM | wierd |
| 21:05.04 | CIA-23 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15567 10/trunk/bzworkbench/src/windows/eventHandlers/selectHandler.cpp: change the config dialog when selection changes ( thanks A. Wilcox) |
| 21:05.07 | L4m3r | I haven't even looked at it, really |
| 21:05.26 | JeffM | well at leas you now won't have to see 1912 this->s :) |
| 21:05.57 | AWOSLappy | :D |
| 21:06.01 | L4m3r | graaaarg! |
| 21:06.16 | L4m3r | this-> should throw an exception or something :P |
| 21:06.34 | L4m3r | project.cpp:42 error: Are you retarded? |
| 21:06.41 | L4m3r | :P |
| 21:06.43 | AWOSLappy | L4m3r: haha |
| 21:08.04 | L4m3r | (not that gcc doesn't make you feel stupid half the time anyway) |
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| 21:08.37 | JeffM | that's not an error, that's a configure question. |
| 21:09.10 | L4m3r | lol |
| 21:09.13 | AWOSLappy | Are you retarded [Y/n]? |
| 21:09.25 | AWOSLappy | Y ... Building Win32 PE files. |
| 21:09.32 | AWOSLappy | :P |
| 21:10.09 | L4m3r | Are you retarded? y/n Y |
| 21:10.19 | L4m3r | Adding my.bzflag.org to HOSTS file... done |
| 21:10.50 | JeffM | PE? |
| 21:11.17 | AWOSLappy | Checking for updates... Your brain is running an old version of RetardBrain. Upgrade now [y/N] ? |
| 21:11.23 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: yes. |
| 21:11.28 | JeffM | what is PE? |
| 21:11.35 | AWOSLappy | Portable Execution |
| 21:11.44 | AWOSLappy | the Win32 equivalent of ELF |
| 21:11.54 | AWOSLappy | s/Execution/Executable/ |
| 21:11.59 | JeffM | do they ahve a non portable executable? |
| 21:12.12 | AWOSLappy | I don't think so. DOS COFF maybe. |
| 21:12.13 | donny_baker | AWOSLappy: I thought it was PreExecution... kind of a bootstrap |
| 21:12.43 | donny_baker | both wron... Preinstalation Environment |
| 21:13.26 | AWOSLappy | Peering Inside the PE: A Tour of the Win32 Portable Executable File Format |
| 21:13.36 | AWOSLappy | http://www.google.com/search?q=Win32+PE |
| 21:13.48 | donny_baker | http://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/sa/benefits/winpe.mspx |
| 21:14.01 | donny_baker | Microsoft Windows Preinstallation Environment |
| 21:14.06 | AWOSLappy | wrong PE, donny_baker |
| 21:14.12 | AWOSLappy | we're talking about the executable foramt |
| 21:14.14 | AWOSLappy | *format |
| 21:14.33 | AWOSLappy | it should be called PEFF (portable executable file format) |
| 21:14.42 | donny_baker | ah, ok |
| 21:14.46 | AWOSLappy | like COFF (common object file format) |
| 21:15.11 | AWOSLappy | and that's just what I call binaries for Windows. Win32 PE files. |
| 21:15.19 | JeffM | so why not just say that it's the Win32Version |
| 21:15.30 | JeffM | since you are making asumptions about there inelegence |
| 21:15.37 | AWOSLappy | haha true |
| 21:15.41 | JeffM | and you smart guys can't even get the acryonim right |
| 21:15.54 | AWOSLappy | Y ... Magically making Windows programs. |
| 21:16.00 | AWOSLappy | :P |
| 21:16.10 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: I got it right, because I Googled. |
| 21:16.52 | JeffM | exactly |
| 21:17.01 | JeffM | also, if they are on windows, they'd not be runing configure |
| 21:17.08 | JeffM | cus the would not have a compiler ;) |
| 21:17.18 | AWOSLappy | true ;) |
| 21:17.39 | JeffM | so realy the only action available for that configure step is to uninstall linux |
| 21:18.02 | AWOSLappy | Are you retarded [y/N]? Y |
| 21:18.13 | AWOSLappy | Making "retard" for bzflag... |
| 21:18.16 | AWOSLappy | -rm -rf / |
| 21:20.29 | brlcad | Epyon: no worries, the deadline is being closely watched -- they'll all be in on time |
| 21:20.52 | Epyon | brlcad, Erroneous just submitted, so did I :) |
| 21:21.00 | JeffM | tho honestly you should not be making presumptions about mental conditions of people on an IRC chat, it's not there fault they were born like that. |
| 21:21.19 | AWOSLappy | hehe |
| 21:21.28 | L4m3r | heh |
| 21:22.12 | L4m3r | People on IRC can be described as: Nice, intelligent, mentally stable (choose any two) |
| 21:24.05 | Epyon | (choose at most two) |
| 21:24.59 | TD-Linux | you are too what? |
| 21:25.08 | TD-Linux | nice and intelligent? |
| 21:25.12 | Epyon | Yep :P |
| 21:25.13 | L4m3r | mmhm |
| 21:25.19 | TD-Linux | same here |
| 21:25.22 | L4m3r | well, technically, I'm mentally stable too |
| 21:25.23 | TD-Linux | I'm pretty stable |
| 21:25.29 | L4m3r | but that just means I'm consistently insane |
| 21:25.33 | L4m3r | :D |
| 21:25.34 | TD-Linux | but my ups and downs are really long lately |
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| 21:25.51 | TD-Linux | sun depresses me. |
| 21:26.06 | Epyon | Chaotic even xP |
| 21:26.11 | L4m3r | lol |
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| 21:29.18 | AWOSLappy | Do you think, if I was mentally stable, I would be developing an operating system?! |
| 21:29.20 | AWOSLappy | :p |
| 21:29.57 | Epyon | Do you think if I were mentally stable I'd be developing roguelikes? xP |
| 21:31.08 | AWOSLappy | I think I did it! |
| 21:31.12 | AWOSLappy | nthe first bzwb map! |
| 21:32.29 | tannerld | O.o |
| 21:32.40 | Epyon | o.O |
| 21:33.11 | Epyon | Ah hell |
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| 22:30.38 | AWOSLappy | bzwb test map is being hosted by my server right now |
| 22:31.08 | tannerld | any good? (map, not host) |
| 22:31.32 | AWOSLappy | tannerld: I just made it, and am in the process of making it |
| 22:31.38 | AWOSLappy | this is showing that I am really working on it |
| 22:34.11 | tannerld | ah |
| 22:34.54 | AWOSLappy | tannerld: can you get on it? I can't seem to :/ |
| 22:35.18 | tannerld | name/address? |
| 22:35.28 | AWOSLappy | The Kernel Map |
| 22:36.09 | tannerld | yep |
| 22:36.10 | tannerld | neat |
| 22:36.59 | AWOSLappy | :D |
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| 22:44.55 | AWOSLappy | argh |
| 22:44.59 | AWOSLappy | I can't get the transporters to work |
| 22:46.05 | brlcad | make sure they're in order |
| 22:46.11 | brlcad | can't reference before using |
| 22:48.28 | AWOSLappy | testing again |
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| 22:51.53 | AWOSLappy | No worky. |
| 22:51.59 | AWOSLappy | brlcad: how busy are you? |
| 22:55.12 | AWOSLappy | http : / /76.26.0.123/AWOSkern.bzw |
| 22:55.46 | TD-Linux | what is that??? |
| 22:55.56 | TD-Linux | your kernel... in a bzw file? |
| 22:56.29 | TD-Linux | looks short. |
| 22:59.30 | AWOSLappy | TD-Linux: lol. it's a BZ map. |
| 22:59.50 | AWOSLappy | I can't figure out why the transporters don't work |
| 23:00.02 | tannerld | s/trans/tele/ |
| 23:00.10 | AWOSLappy | s/trans/tele/ |
| 23:00.16 | AWOSLappy | >_> |
| 23:00.26 | AWOSLappy | s/>/</ |
| 23:00.32 | AWOSLappy | -_- |
| 23:00.36 | AWOSLappy | s/-/x/ |
| 23:00.46 | AWOSLappy | ~ping |
| 23:00.47 | ibot | pong |
| 23:00.52 | AWOSLappy | Anyway. |
| 23:01.00 | AWOSLappy | tannerld: Any ideas? |
| 23:01.10 | tannerld | ummm, nope |
| 23:01.15 | tannerld | bzedit did my teleporters |
| 23:01.19 | tannerld | does the wiki not help? |
| 23:01.59 | JeffM | AWOSLappy, did you define links? |
| 23:02.19 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: yes. |
| 23:02.33 | JeffM | are the teleporters on the ground? |
| 23:02.38 | JeffM | or on a building? |
| 23:02.39 | AWOSLappy | one is |
| 23:02.46 | AWOSLappy | it transports from bottom to top |
| 23:02.50 | AWOSLappy | like the bzf maps |
| 23:02.59 | JeffM | make the one that is on the building extend into the building ever so slightly |
| 23:03.05 | JeffM | in Z |
| 23:03.11 | AWOSLappy | okay. |
| 23:03.18 | JeffM | also how wide did you make them? |
| 23:06.04 | AWOSLappy | okay, testing |
| 23:06.29 | AWOSLappy | default width, 10 units |
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| 23:19.22 | AWOSLappy | dangit |
| 23:19.25 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: Still not working. |
| 23:20.52 | JeffM | dunno man |
| 23:22.42 | AWOSLappy | hmm |
| 23:22.58 | AWOSLappy | is anybody here experienced with bzw files and want to take a look? |
| 23:25.18 | AWOSLappy | Epyon: you? |
| 23:27.19 | AWOSLappy | Epyon: ... |
| 23:27.25 | AWOSLappy | you made the building map things. |
| 23:27.51 | AWOSLappy | can't you just take a peek? |
| 23:28.22 | Epyon | I have no clue about BZW except meshes :/ |
| 23:29.03 | JeffM | you have 4 teleporters and 2 links |
| 23:29.30 | JeffM | and you don't define the sides on the porters in the link |
| 23:31.37 | AWOSLappy | seemed optional to me: "To specify which side of the teleporter you are linking you can use the ":f" (forward) or ":b" (backward) after the name of the teleporter." |
| 23:31.49 | JeffM | no it's not |
| 23:32.03 | JeffM | each side of a teleporter is seperate |
| 23:32.13 | JeffM | to fully link 2 porters, you need 4 links |
| 23:32.14 | AWOSLappy | that is how bzwb made it |
| 23:32.21 | JeffM | then it did it wrong |
| 23:32.27 | AWOSLappy | okay. |
| 23:32.50 | JeffM | that or someone changed how links were defined and I was not aware |
| 23:33.30 | JeffM | if you didn't have the front / back sutff, eahc link would have to make 2 internal links |
| 23:33.56 | JeffM | a link represents a single trip, not a bidirectional road of travel |
| 23:34.19 | AWOSLappy | okay. |
| 23:34.26 | AWOSLappy | trying it with the four-way for each set |
| 23:36.57 | AWOSLappy | not working. |
| 23:37.05 | JeffM | from the link parsing code I see, it neds ether full face numbers or the : |
| 23:37.05 | AWOSLappy | I updated the bzw on the Internet |
| 23:37.43 | JeffM | you have one of the links pointing to tiself? |
| 23:37.50 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.50 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.54 | AWOSLappy | argh |
| 23:38.04 | AWOSLappy | would that _really_ make the others not work though? |
| 23:38.18 | JeffM | depends what one your drivin thu :) |
| 23:39.19 | AWOSLappy | I was doing the 31/37 |
| 23:39.22 | JeffM | but yeah, one would tink they would work if you are trying to use others that arn't in that jacked up set |
| 23:39.26 | AWOSLappy | and I did it both ways |
| 23:39.31 | JeffM | dunno |
| 23:39.34 | JeffM | what version of bzfs? |
| 23:39.46 | AWOSLappy | 2.0.8 |
| 23:39.57 | JeffM | one wold think that woudl work then |
| 23:39.59 | AWOSLappy | BZFlag server 2.0.8.20060513-MAINT-W32VC71 (protocol 0026) http://BZFlag.org/ |
| 23:39.59 | AWOSLappy | Copyright (c) 1993 - 2006 Tim Riker |
| 23:41.59 | JeffM | compre them to the links in a working map |
| 23:42.43 | JeffM | go get one |
| 23:43.34 | AWOSLappy | I fixed the 52:b, still not working |
| 23:44.30 | ryanakca | TimRiker: ping, can you try to upload to Debian by say September 10th, so that I can merge before the cutoff date to include a working version of bzflag in Ubuntu Gutsy (the current version doesn't even start... because of the bashisms) |
| 23:44.41 | AWOSLappy | to /t2:b |
| 23:45.11 | AWOSLappy | teleporter /t1 |
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| 23:51.00 | JeffM | gnomes |
| 23:51.24 | ryanakca | hehe |
| 23:57.18 | AWOSLappy | woo, JeffM I fixed it! |
| 23:57.42 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: I had to put it "teleporter tele31" instead of "teleporter name tele31" |
| 23:58.56 | JeffM | ahh |
