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| 00:01.57 | Tupone | http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_2.0.10 I put the link here |
| 00:03.06 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r15801 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/common/StateDatabase.cxx: r14234 from trunk - skip excess parens at eval time too (both left and right), prevents crash on unmatched left-parens. |
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| 00:06.30 | brlcad | ahh, hogar dulce hogar |
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| 00:07.45 | brlcad | Erroneous: no objections .. I'd "possibly" object to removing the notification too .. it's just as useful to know that others are querying you, I'd almost think a client-side setting would be best if folks are that bugged by it |
| 00:07.56 | Tupone | hogar? who is |
| 00:08.56 | brlcad | ~tr es en hogar |
| 00:09.23 | brlcad | ~x es en hogar |
| 00:09.38 | Tupone | ahh |
| 00:09.42 | TD-Linux | I remember that crash :P |
| 00:09.49 | TD-Linux | ~Erroneous++ |
| 00:10.03 | Erroneous | TD-Linux: the most commonly used to crash is actually the unmatched right parens |
| 00:10.05 | Tupone | casa dolce casa |
| 00:10.09 | brlcad | :) |
| 00:10.13 | TD-Linux | yeah I know |
| 00:10.14 | Erroneous | that was fixed in both branch and head |
| 00:10.15 | TD-Linux | :) |
| 00:10.26 | TD-Linux | the evil happy face crash :P |
| 00:10.27 | Erroneous | I just hadn't copied this one :) |
| 00:10.31 | Erroneous | yup |
| 00:10.50 | Erroneous | well :) and (: both did it :) |
| 00:12.51 | brlcad | another option would be to have an optional tab for system alerts that players could enable that'd keep that keep their chat clean, it's really just a filtering issue not really worthy of perms or even server-side handling |
| 00:15.35 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r15802 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/platform/EvdevJoystick.cxx: allow EvdevJoystick to compile on old kernels that do support evdev but don't support FF. 14760, 14777, 14779 from trunk. |
| 00:16.10 | Erroneous | brlcad: sounds good to me |
| 00:16.54 | Erroneous | it's on trunk, so feel free to whip somethin gup |
| 00:17.00 | Erroneous | s/ g/g / |
| 00:17.15 | brlcad | giggity giggity |
| 00:20.37 | ryanakca | Tupone: for the fixed bzflag, or for gutsy? |
| 00:20.51 | Tupone | whatever is the next |
| 00:21.00 | Tupone | I thought you have a timeline |
| 00:21.19 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * r15803 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/platform/EvdevJoystick.cxx: or like this |
| 00:21.21 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r15804 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/platform/SDLJoystick.cxx: fix sdl joystick axis problem (up=left down=right is bad). 13051 from trunk. |
| 00:22.09 | Erroneous | that there is another important one. I think I've seen more forum posts on that issue than all other joystick issues combined... |
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| 00:26.02 | Constitution | is this correct? http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/686511 |
| 00:26.27 | Constitution | there was a "too few arguments" compilation error |
| 00:27.52 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r15805 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/plugin_HTTP.cpp: Spelling corrections. |
| 00:28.26 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r15806 10/trunk/bzflag/src/game/StartupInfo.cxx: most of that destructor is pointless. the memory's being deallocated anyway, why clear it? leave password clear out of paranoia. |
| 00:29.12 | Erroneous | Constitution: probably |
| 00:29.25 | Constitution | k |
| 00:29.33 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r15807 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/authors.xml: authors list. In the format used as input by svn2cl |
| 00:30.20 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r15808 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/plugin_files.cpp: Incorrect arguments to LinuxAddFileStack() fix. |
| 00:30.29 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r15809 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/Makefile.am: Adding to the distribution |
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| 00:31.24 | Erroneous | ~Constitution++ |
| 00:33.23 | Constitution | and I take it disabling the clientquery notification is a no-go? |
| 00:33.52 | bryjen | i thought i fixed that already.... |
| 00:33.56 | Erroneous | dunno. it's brlcad's call |
| 00:35.00 | bryjen | neutral good or neutral evil then, Erroneous? |
| 00:35.20 | JeffM | Constitution, do whatever you need for that one, I had no way to test it ;) |
| 00:35.22 | Erroneous | usually neutral good :) |
| 00:35.29 | JeffM | and yeah it should have the list |
| 00:35.38 | Erroneous | but I said I was NOT neutral |
| 00:35.44 | Constitution | JeffM: at least it compiles now :) |
| 00:35.47 | JeffM | cool |
| 00:36.05 | JeffM | it's a mod of the stuff in bzflag in OS file, so it shoudl work, I just had to shuffle it arround a ittle |
| 00:36.33 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r15810 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/plugins/rabidRabbit/: ignoring plugins/rabidRabbit/Makefile.in |
| 00:36.58 | JeffM | brlcad, what would it take to get branch to build as a universal? |
| 00:37.12 | bryjen | grrr, and the CRLF's are back. |
| 00:37.27 | JeffM | bryjen, where is it puting them? |
| 00:37.42 | JeffM | why is my svn system all of a sudden adding them? |
| 00:37.52 | JeffM | on every line? or just the end? or what? |
| 00:37.58 | bryjen | that's the $64k question |
| 00:38.07 | JeffM | I did change machines here |
| 00:38.18 | JeffM | and I'm using the x64 bit version |
| 00:38.32 | Tupone | bryjen: trunk or branch? |
| 00:38.38 | Tupone | and what file |
| 00:38.50 | JeffM | trunk |
| 00:38.54 | JeffM | the plugin stuff I just did |
| 00:38.58 | bryjen | Tupone: trunk, in the plugins JeffM's doing recently |
| 00:39.08 | Tupone | k |
| 00:39.11 | JeffM | bryjen, does it put them on each line I moded? |
| 00:40.04 | bryjen | i only saw one just now, but i thought i'd nuked 'em all earlier. |
| 00:40.15 | JeffM | I had to merge in some of my changes |
| 00:40.24 | JeffM | but I thought my svn should handle that |
| 00:42.12 | JeffM | did I not check the files in text maybe? |
| 00:43.52 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15811 10/trunk/bzflag/NEWS: CRLF test |
| 00:43.59 | JeffM | check that edit, did it do it right? |
| 00:44.05 | JeffM | should be right after the version line |
| 00:44.23 | brlcad | JeffM: just a lil love, realy just a bunch of flags |
| 00:44.54 | brlcad | configure-love, that is |
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| 00:45.19 | Guest083eu | hallo! |
| 00:45.25 | bryjen | NEWS looks OK |
| 00:45.25 | JeffM | brlcad, so, we get you some bary white and we can make a uni? |
| 00:45.29 | JeffM | bryjen, wierd |
| 00:45.35 | JeffM | wonder if its' just when it merges |
| 00:45.40 | brlcad | yup |
| 00:45.41 | Erroneous | JeffM: I think it's when it creates the file |
| 00:45.52 | Erroneous | then when you merge, it uses your existing line endings |
| 00:46.09 | JeffM | I make files by copying old ones |
| 00:46.15 | brlcad | isn't there an svn prop for this? |
| 00:46.15 | JeffM | or you mean when it makes the conflift file? |
| 00:46.21 | Erroneous | brlcad: yes |
| 00:46.47 | Tupone | svn:eol-style |
| 00:46.49 | Erroneous | JeffM: when you do "svn add" it sets default properties |
| 00:46.50 | brlcad | eol:auto or somesucnh |
| 00:47.03 | JeffM | ahh |
| 00:47.08 | JeffM | so its not setting them the right way |
| 00:47.10 | Erroneous | svn:eolstyle=native is what we want |
| 00:47.14 | Erroneous | tortoise leaves it unset |
| 00:47.44 | JeffM | how come I've never had this problem before then? |
| 00:47.50 | Erroneous | JeffM: you have :) |
| 00:47.56 | JeffM | since the dawn of time? |
| 00:48.01 | Erroneous | brlcad fixed dozens of them yesterday |
| 00:48.11 | JeffM | but like months and months ago? |
| 00:48.14 | Erroneous | since we switched to svn |
| 00:48.16 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 00:48.42 | JeffM | no es bueno |
| 00:49.05 | Erroneous | JeffM: compare the properties on RogueGenocide (which was imported from cvs) to those on httpTest |
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| 00:50.04 | JeffM | so looks like I can't add anymore |
| 00:50.06 | Erroneous | basically we want all files to be eol-style:native except for about three iirc |
| 00:50.14 | Erroneous | no, you just have to set it yourself when you add |
| 00:50.18 | JeffM | that's too hard |
| 00:50.21 | Erroneous | heh |
| 00:50.33 | brlcad | probably don't want to set the prop on the binary files |
| 00:51.08 | Erroneous | brlcad: yeah, true |
| 00:51.33 | JeffM | you'd think they'd have a way to set the properties on add automaticly based on extension and project |
| 00:51.45 | JeffM | do you guys have to set them manualy? |
| 00:51.47 | Erroneous | other than that, it's just config.h.in, version.h, and one other, that must be unix line endings in order for our sed magic to work |
| 00:51.55 | brlcad | i think there is a way to do that, per extension set defaults |
| 00:52.03 | brlcad | but don't remember how exactly |
| 00:52.17 | Erroneous | currently our vc projects are set to windows line endings, but they don't need to be (I tested) |
| 00:52.37 | JeffM | when you gus add files do you have to do more then svn add svn commit? |
| 00:52.54 | Erroneous | JeffM: vc doesn't mind unix linebreaks |
| 00:52.59 | Erroneous | so we'd never notice |
| 00:52.59 | JeffM | I know |
| 00:53.02 | JeffM | I'm just asking in general |
| 00:53.15 | Erroneous | well, I'm guessing they don't know, since we've never complained :) |
| 00:53.30 | JeffM | this native mode, is it only set on stuff from CVS? |
| 00:53.32 | Erroneous | what's the most recent file one of them has added? |
| 00:53.39 | JeffM | I'm not sure |
| 00:53.44 | JeffM | am I the only adder? |
| 00:53.49 | Erroneous | how about jude-'s stuff? |
| 00:54.00 | Erroneous | he's on nix, right? |
| 00:54.12 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r15812 10/trunk/db/bzgrpmgr/ (bzgrpmgr.php data_phpbb2.class.php): Editing of group properties implemented. |
| 00:54.19 | JeffM | his files have no properties |
| 00:54.23 | JeffM | at all |
| 00:54.35 | Erroneous | yeah, that's the same as tort does then |
| 00:54.44 | JeffM | epyone would be the big quesion |
| 00:54.52 | JeffM | he used windows, but command line tools |
| 00:54.55 | Erroneous | his are windows, we got complaints about that |
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| 00:55.18 | JeffM | can we make a server side script that sets the properites on commit for everyone? |
| 00:55.24 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r15813 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/ (5 files in 3 dirs): remove more carriage returns |
| 00:55.29 | JeffM | for at least the source files? |
| 00:55.34 | JeffM | sorry on add? |
| 00:56.06 | Erroneous | probably |
| 00:56.07 | Tupone | can't you set tortouse to do that by default? |
| 00:56.12 | JeffM | Tupone, no |
| 00:56.15 | JeffM | not that I can see |
| 00:56.21 | Erroneous | Tupone: it affects more than just tort, too |
| 00:56.29 | JeffM | but if epyone had the same issue, then it's not just tort |
| 00:56.29 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:56.35 | JeffM | it's command line svn in general |
| 00:56.54 | JeffM | nether nix nor windows command line svn set the prop |
| 00:57.13 | JeffM | based on the SoCers |
| 00:57.51 | Erroneous | JeffM: tort can be configured to do it |
| 00:57.55 | JeffM | where? |
| 00:57.57 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r15814 10/trunk/bzflag/ (68 files in 17 dirs): add missing property, svn:eol-style native |
| 00:58.01 | JeffM | not in the gui |
| 00:58.07 | Erroneous | # enable-auto-props = yes <- uncomment that line in config |
| 00:58.13 | JeffM | ahh |
| 00:58.19 | JeffM | now where is that config ;) |
| 00:58.29 | Erroneous | general properties, Edit button |
| 00:58.41 | Erroneous | sorry general settings |
| 00:58.47 | JeffM | got it |
| 00:58.55 | Erroneous | then uncomment the lines in auto-props too |
| 00:59.14 | Erroneous | and add one for cxx 'cause we're strange |
| 00:59.15 | uso | Erroneous: there were two reasons for the clientquery permission, first was to disable it for the same people which have no spawn or talk permission to prevent spamming on match servers |
| 00:59.49 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:59.49 | Erroneous | also .am |
| 00:59.49 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * r15815 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/webstats/: svn:ignore |
| 01:00.14 | uso | the second is privacy, if you built bzflag yourself you have an easily trackable version string, restrivting the clientquery to verified player at least give you the chance to see who is tracking you |
| 01:00.27 | uso | so I would not disable the notification |
| 01:00.34 | Erroneous | why do you care who knows? |
| 01:00.54 | uso | having a local clientoption to disable the notification is a good idea though |
| 01:01.00 | JeffM | cool so that just breaks me from commiting at all ;) |
| 01:01.03 | Erroneous | yeah, I agree that's the best way |
| 01:01.09 | JeffM | wo't let me add, says the newlines are wrong |
| 01:01.14 | Erroneous | hah! |
| 01:01.27 | JeffM | can't it do auto conversions like CVS did? |
| 01:01.31 | brlcad | just turned on the check-mime-type commit hook -- that will reject adds that don't have the prop set if mime-type is a text type |
| 01:02.51 | Erroneous | brlcad: mime-type is not set for most of our files |
| 01:02.58 | Erroneous | so it rejects our adds |
| 01:03.02 | Erroneous | that's what jeff is seeing |
| 01:03.02 | JeffM | yeah |
| 01:03.05 | brlcad | hm |
| 01:03.13 | JeffM | Erroneous, well no, I saw another error, THEN that error |
| 01:03.13 | Erroneous | guess we could add mime-types too |
| 01:03.27 | JeffM | I hadn't updated my webstats.cpp |
| 01:03.27 | Erroneous | JeffM: that's the only one I got |
| 01:03.35 | JeffM | and that was the file I copied to test adding |
| 01:03.45 | JeffM | so it realy did have incositent endings |
| 01:04.18 | Erroneous | yeah, it should block it if it's not the same through the whole file |
| 01:04.26 | JeffM | it did |
| 01:04.29 | Erroneous | 'cause that's a darn good indication you're trying to add a binary file |
| 01:04.42 | JeffM | when I updated the file then tried to send again I got the script error |
| 01:05.22 | brlcad | so yeah, blocking me on an add that doesn't have mime-type set |
| 01:05.35 | Erroneous | brlcad: should we be setting mime-type also? we can, if you want |
| 01:05.43 | brlcad | so do we want to require mime types or just turn it off |
| 01:05.50 | brlcad | i don't care |
| 01:05.57 | brlcad | i'm not sure what it really buys us |
| 01:06.15 | Erroneous | and I'm not sure what mime type some files are :) |
| 01:06.21 | brlcad | just as easy to run find . -type f -not -regex '.*svn.*' -name \*.cxx -exec svn propset svn:eol-style native {} \; |
| 01:06.40 | JeffM | well I can set the native propertie now |
| 01:06.44 | JeffM | automaticly |
| 01:06.49 | Erroneous | yeah, we can do the set on add |
| 01:07.04 | Erroneous | that's easy, just a couple options to toggle in tort |
| 01:07.15 | JeffM | and we can doc that |
| 01:07.20 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 01:07.25 | brlcad | wow, not a single mime-type is set |
| 01:07.35 | Erroneous | not surprising |
| 01:07.38 | Erroneous | can't do it from import |
| 01:07.46 | Erroneous | without file-magic sniffing anyway |
| 01:08.46 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15816 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/webstats/statTemplates.cpp: |
| 01:08.52 | JeffM | there, was that set right? |
| 01:09.11 | Winny | CSI: Pie-ami |
| 01:09.39 | bryjen | JeffM: yeah |
| 01:09.44 | brlcad | probably a good idea to set the mime-type, i can set it on the source files if nobody objects |
| 01:10.57 | Tupone | I'd do only on non text-file |
| 01:12.05 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15817 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/webstats/ (statTemplates.cpp statTemplates.h): templatetasic |
| 01:13.13 | brlcad | Tupone: per che? |
| 01:13.38 | brlcad | shouldn't be harmful to set it so long as it's right |
| 01:13.50 | Tupone | just to simulate the case where we just add file |
| 01:14.25 | brlcad | could just as easily add a non-binary and set the type .. |
| 01:14.41 | brlcad | we don't have *any* at the moment, it's guessing entirely based on contents atm |
| 01:15.02 | Tupone | if I add a file probably if is a text-file it does not set mime. We should try with images |
| 01:15.39 | Tupone | Otherwise to be consistent, we should make automated rules after switching to all mime |
| 01:17.18 | brlcad | the ttf files that were added on trunk are binary, no mime set -- it won't auto-set, it just auto-guesses based on content if there is no mime-type |
| 01:17.19 | Tupone | however is perchè not "per che"! But good guess :) |
| 01:17.49 | brlcad | wasn't a guess, just bad spelling :) |
| 01:18.23 | Tupone | mime-type is guessed on checkout or on commit? |
| 01:18.40 | brlcad | diff |
| 01:19.07 | Tupone | ok, forget then :) |
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| 01:22.27 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03atupone * r15818 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/man/Makefile.am: All man pages are built with make, and clean should then delete it |
| 01:22.55 | Tupone | nite all |
| 01:23.16 | brlcad | the biggest impact would probably be the web interface for svn |
| 01:23.31 | brlcad | as itll set the mimetype correctly |
| 01:27.29 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r15819 10/trunk/bzflag/test.txt: test |
| 01:27.57 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r15820 10/trunk/bzflag/test.txt: un-test |
| 01:28.40 | Erroneous | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Auto-props |
| 01:28.44 | brlcad | (commit hook is off now) |
| 01:31.09 | Erroneous | that should include all of our "normal" types |
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| 01:31.56 | JeffM | WTF.... why is it all broken now!?!! |
| 01:32.15 | Erroneous | hm? |
| 01:32.37 | JeffM | the entire HTTPServer class won't compile |
| 01:32.50 | Erroneous | heh |
| 01:32.57 | Erroneous | probably the nix fixes |
| 01:33.28 | JeffM | that made it unable to find an entire class? |
| 01:33.56 | Erroneous | works for me |
| 01:34.04 | Erroneous | but someone trampled my warning fixes |
| 01:34.06 | Erroneous | (grr) |
| 01:34.51 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r15821 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/plugin_HTTP.cpp: re-fix warnings |
| 01:38.37 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15822 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/webstats/ (Makefile.am statTemplates.cpp webstats.cpp webstats.vcproj): setup to maybe start using a template |
| 01:49.40 | brlcad | looking at the files that didn't have eol-style set, seems mostly new devs and windows folks .. probably why it's not more prevalent |
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| 06:15.23 | Legolas_ | Is Jude around? |
| 06:15.36 | blast007 | nope |
| 06:16.01 | Legolas_ | bummrt. |
| 06:16.04 | Legolas_ | bummer* |
| 06:17.38 | Legolas_ | how about this, are there any mac users out there right now that would like to test out blender with bzwtools preinstalled? |
| 06:17.57 | blast007 | for what OS? |
| 06:18.29 | Legolas_ | 10 |
| 06:18.36 | Legolas_ | 10.4 would be great |
| 06:18.47 | Legolas_ | but lower should work fine aswell |
| 06:23.08 | L4m3r | Are you sure it's OK to redistribute Blender? |
| 06:23.20 | Legolas_ | Well... I have know idea. |
| 06:23.33 | Legolas_ | talk to teppic on that one, he had the idea, i followed commands ;) |
| 06:24.32 | L4m3r | is blender GPL? |
| 06:25.08 | Legolas_ | who knows ;) |
| 06:25.15 | AAA_awright | GNU GPL |
| 06:25.49 | AAA_awright | It is that hard to use Wikipedia? ;) |
| 06:25.59 | L4m3r | in that case, if you're going to hand out binaries, you need to make the source available |
| 06:26.43 | Legolas_ | http://www.blender.org/download/source-code/ :) |
| 06:28.02 | Constitution | including your changes, I think he meant |
| 06:28.36 | AAA_awright | If you distribute the official binaries, you can just point to the official source. If you distribute your own binaries, you need to provide the source you compiled with (Which I believe can also be the official source, IF unmodified) |
| 06:28.42 | Legolas_ | My changes? oh no.. not my changes. |
| 06:29.30 | AAA_awright | Read the GPL, if you change the source, you MUST distribute those changes along with the binaries |
| 06:31.09 | AAA_awright | It should be in a file called LICENSE |
| 06:34.10 | Constitution | so it's Teppic's code, which I believe is already released under GPL. if all you're doing is combining them, I think you're fine |
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| 10:04.03 | J-23 | Hello! What "game name" I need to give when I register on BB? |
| 10:06.50 | Tupone | maybe is the nick you want to use? |
| 10:07.51 | J-23 | Steel I see "Please enter the name of the game." |
| 10:07.52 | J-23 | :| |
| 10:08.57 | Tupone | maybe bzflag then |
| 10:09.34 | J-23 | Thanks! |
| 10:10.35 | J-23 | COPPA :| |
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| 10:38.27 | ruskie | Tupone, just got autokicked again for moving to fast... svn checkout from 20070830 |
| 10:38.47 | Manu | ruskie: then stop moving too fast ;) |
| 10:39.16 | Tupone | thanks |
| 10:41.12 | ruskie | and again :( |
| 10:41.20 | ruskie | but a few days ago it didn't happen once.. |
| 10:41.36 | Manu | I see ruskie .. (in the logs) :/ |
| 10:42.01 | Tupone | what server you were on? 2 castles? |
| 10:42.34 | Manu | ruskie: viper: Kicking Player ruskie [1] tank too large a move |
| 10:42.34 | Manu | ment update (tank: 169.158249, allowed: 13.258252) |
| 10:42.52 | Manu | that's too long :) |
| 10:42.58 | ts | Hello |
| 10:43.13 | ts | Little bit too fast, I guess |
| 10:43.24 | Tupone | ahh, then is not a speed check |
| 10:43.25 | Manu | and this one ruskie viper: Kicking Player ruskie [1] tank too large a move |
| 10:43.25 | Manu | ment update (tank: 141.918808, allowed: 14.915534) |
| 10:43.55 | Manu | ruskie: were you kicked when respawning after dead right? |
| 10:43.56 | ts | Hmm, allowed ~15? Isn't tank speed max at 25.0? |
| 10:51.36 | Tupone | allowed is the allowed distance from the previous point :/ |
| 10:54.26 | Manu | ruskie: I guess the problem is issolated |
| 10:54.42 | Manu | server side... :( |
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| 11:01.16 | Epyon | Yay, finally got my PC back :D |
| 11:06.37 | ruskie | Manu, yup after death |
| 11:07.43 | Manu | ruskie: the problem is found :) |
| 11:07.47 | Manu | but it's server side |
| 11:08.05 | Manu | so servers will need to update |
| 11:08.10 | Manu | after the fix |
| 11:08.36 | Manu | ruskie: try to delay your respawn, probably it will help you :) |
| 11:10.16 | ruskie | ahh |
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| 15:55.34 | tupone | SDL does not work anymore after last changes for windows (I guess) Need to fix it :/ |
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| 16:54.34 | Winny | ~blast007++ |
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| 17:19.44 | Constitution | hmm, the moderator wannabes are hitting hard on the forum this morning |
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| 17:34.11 | Winny | hehe |
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| 18:27.55 | blast007 | hi jude- |
| 18:28.00 | jude- | man, what a week |
| 18:28.07 | jude- | hello blast007 |
| 18:29.17 | jude- | to whoever did it: thanks for adding me as a project dev on bzbb :) |
| 18:30.35 | blast007 | I think someone went through and updated that |
| 18:30.38 | blast007 | I got put in too ;) |
| 18:32.43 | brlcad | so maybe the spam filter isn't working any more ;) |
| 18:33.40 | blast007 | hehe |
| 18:33.54 | jude- | lol |
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| 19:18.23 | Teppic | Hi guys, who owns the copyright on the BZFlag default textures? |
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| 19:19.36 | Teppic | Damn, I didn't realize people could smell me over IRC. |
| 19:19.49 | blast007 | heh Teppic :) |
| 19:19.50 | ruskie | erm |
| 19:20.04 | blast007 | ShadowSpectre: hiya |
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| 19:20.24 | ShadowSpectre | hey |
| 19:20.35 | ShadowSpectre | took a little while to get the IRC working |
| 19:20.37 | blast007 | :) |
| 19:20.39 | ShadowSpectre | xchat is buggy |
| 19:20.54 | ShadowSpectre | acts like a beta |
| 19:21.16 | Teppic | Mine's fine, what version, I'll be sure to avoid it. |
| 19:21.39 | ShadowSpectre | 2.8.0-1 |
| 19:21.56 | ShadowSpectre | just quirky with editing and joing servers |
| 19:22.18 | Teppic | Ahh, 2.8.4 here, seems normal enough, I don't use it very often. |
| 19:22.49 | Winny | anyone in here have an iPhone? |
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| 19:23.20 | Teppic | Post it in PM then winny. |
| 19:23.33 | Winny | Teppic: ? |
| 19:23.57 | Winny | you have one? :o |
| 19:23.57 | Teppic | Don't spam up the channel, post the URL in private chat. |
| 19:24.18 | neutronix7 | Winny: you can send to me if you wish |
| 19:24.35 | Teppic | iPhone, no, I like my Sony too much. |
| 19:25.23 | Teppic | I have one of those SPV thing from work, I'll never have to call the police, I can just bludgeon muggers to death with it. |
| 19:25.35 | ruskie | lol |
| 19:26.12 | SpazzyMcGee | Teppic: do you want to modify them for bzflag? In which case they are licensed GPL. |
| 19:26.51 | Teppic | I don't want to modify them, but they will be bundled with other peoples work, and I want it to be clear who owns what in the licences file. |
| 19:27.38 | Teppic | More of a courtesy than a necessity |
| 19:30.15 | blast007 | ShadowSpectre: so you were saying you have a better/different way of banning users? |
| 19:32.29 | ShadowSpectre | yes, it's not original to me. |
| 19:32.43 | blast007 | k |
| 19:32.45 | ShadowSpectre | but it's ingenius in its approach |
| 19:33.30 | ShadowSpectre | basically it does a footprint on the user's comp, namely reporting RAM size and processor type and HD size |
| 19:33.58 | ShadowSpectre | It's been used on http://hoylegames.sierra.com for years |
| 19:34.00 | L4m3r | actually, it's not ingenius at all |
| 19:34.09 | Teppic | Wouldn't that match many off the shelf items though? |
| 19:34.20 | blast007 | ShadowSpectre: that wouldn't work |
| 19:34.26 | blast007 | the game is open-source |
| 19:34.30 | ShadowSpectre | it may match them but it's better than IP banning. |
| 19:34.31 | L4m3r | this is an open-source game, and any of those stats could be spoofed by tweaking code |
| 19:34.35 | Teppic | SO they can spoof it..... |
| 19:34.41 | blast007 | very easily |
| 19:34.45 | ShadowSpectre | Miscreants keep coming back time and time again |
| 19:34.50 | L4m3r | Never ever trust the client, ever |
| 19:35.14 | ShadowSpectre | who in their right mind would go to the labor of continually spoofing their hardware profile |
| 19:35.24 | blast007 | ShadowSpectre: people who want to cause trouble |
| 19:35.33 | L4m3r | hell, you could get the signature of someone else by running a server, and then get that person banned |
| 19:35.34 | ShadowSpectre | even if they did the time and effort involved would act as a apeed bump |
| 19:35.39 | blast007 | they could get around it with probably 5 lines of code, dude |
| 19:36.05 | L4m3r | someone would have a random signature generator within hours |
| 19:36.10 | blast007 | yeah |
| 19:36.31 | blast007 | checksums, hardware ID, MAC address.... none of these can be trusted |
| 19:37.06 | Teppic | iptables -I INPUT 0 -s ! 127.0.0.1 -j DROP |
| 19:37.11 | Teppic | that'd stop them... |
| 19:37.42 | ShadowSpectre | BIOS strings too? |
| 19:38.04 | L4m3r | we can't trust *anything* from the client |
| 19:38.07 | ruskie | everything that isn't set in diamond can be changed easily |
| 19:38.49 | L4m3r | they don't need to change their hardware- they could just reprogram their client to misreport it |
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| 19:39.25 | blast007 | and again, less than 5 lines would be all they'd need to change to spoof any one of those items |
| 19:39.29 | ShadowSpectre | Well it works on other sites. |
| 19:39.34 | blast007 | sites? |
| 19:39.37 | ruskie | lol |
| 19:39.42 | L4m3r | Sierra doesn't do open-source games |
| 19:39.44 | ruskie | it works for closed source systems |
| 19:39.46 | Teppic | If the apps are open source it can't |
| 19:39.53 | blast007 | it only half-works in closed source games |
| 19:39.59 | blast007 | people just have to crack those |
| 19:40.01 | L4m3r | that too |
| 19:40.15 | L4m3r | still not perfect, but not moronic as it is for OSS |
| 19:40.26 | blast007 | with open-source, they can just go in, change a line, compile, and BAM! bypassed |
| 19:40.41 | blast007 | thing kind of thing has been discussed dozens of time in the past :) |
| 19:40.48 | L4m3r | the time is better spent closing the holes that allow asshats to cheat in the first place |
| 19:40.50 | blast007 | all with the same conclusion |
| 19:41.06 | ShadowSpectre | it hasn't been implemented then? |
| 19:41.08 | Teppic | andy@admin ~/Desktop $ find bzflag-2.0.8/ -iname "*gpl*" |
| 19:41.08 | Teppic | andy@admin ~/Desktop $ |
| 19:41.13 | L4m3r | it's being worked on |
| 19:41.18 | Teppic | that's not right is it? |
| 19:41.22 | blast007 | ShadowSpectre: what hasn't been implemented? |
| 19:41.27 | ruskie | well rather have a completly open game than have something like saurebraten or cube or any others that have a bit of a binary blob in them just for this kinds of things... |
| 19:41.41 | ruskie | Teppic, you're looking for files... |
| 19:41.43 | ShadowSpectre | I mean, make no mistake concepts get shot down all the time. Theory is nothing unless it is actually applied |
| 19:41.47 | Teppic | Ya |
| 19:41.58 | ruskie | so why shouldn't it be right? |
| 19:42.06 | ruskie | the license is usually in COPYING |
| 19:42.13 | ruskie | or LICENSE |
| 19:42.30 | blast007 | ShadowSpectre: the effort to implement that functionality would take longer than it would to get around it |
| 19:42.36 | blast007 | therefore, it's not worth the time |
| 19:43.41 | Teppic | Thx, it's in COPYING. |
| 19:44.09 | Teppic | OH, it's LGPL. |
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| 19:44.30 | ShadowSpectre | ok, I'll contemplate the concept more. I think it is possible, maybe with individual session keys. If you get the report from the BIOS and not the client It can't be faked, you can't fake it to the OS and have the OS work after all |
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| 19:45.29 | blast007 | ShadowSpectre: uh, yes it can be faked |
| 19:45.36 | blast007 | the client has to send it to the server |
| 19:45.49 | blast007 | the client can just lie |
| 19:46.28 | blast007 | how do you guarantee that the client doesn't lie? |
| 19:46.32 | ruskie | yeah |
| 19:46.48 | blast007 | remember, the full code is available to everyone |
| 19:46.51 | blast007 | even the bad guys |
| 19:46.51 | ShadowSpectre | the same way that the OS knows what it is running on |
| 19:46.55 | ruskie | just replace function get_bios_string(){ somefanccode with return "myspoofed string" |
| 19:46.56 | brlcad | ShadowSpectre: remember that they have the entire source -- they can bypass or fake any information |
| 19:47.28 | brlcad | if it pulled bios information, they could just as easily inject a random character at the end of the result in their client so it never matches a check |
| 19:47.31 | ShadowSpectre | Like I said I will devellop the concept more with a programmer and submit a sample code |
| 19:47.47 | ruskie | lol |
| 19:47.50 | blast007 | ShadowSpectre: we are programmers |
| 19:47.54 | ruskie | ShadowSpectre, it won't work... |
| 19:47.58 | brlcad | you can do a heck of a lot more with closed source |
| 19:47.59 | blast007 | and we're telling you it won't work |
| 19:48.26 | ShadowSpectre | I'll try, maybe not succeed. |
| 19:48.36 | brlcad | with open source, they can pretty much do anything even bridging to an "official binary" to get a real result, then bypassing it on their hacked version |
| 19:48.44 | ruskie | ShadowSpectre, how does a $random_barman verify you are who you are? they ask for your ID... you can give them your real ID or your fake ID... they DON'T know which is which |
| 19:49.12 | ruskie | you have the same option with open source code |
| 19:49.20 | blast007 | ShadowSpectre: I guess if you want to waste time, then sure, go for it |
| 19:49.39 | Teppic | If people can write bios wrappers to fool Vista into thinking it's running on an OEM Dell machine, so as not to have to activate it, how long will it work in an OS environment? |
| 19:51.22 | blast007 | yeah, I think ShadowSpectre is underestimating the hax0rz |
| 19:51.51 | ShadowSpectre | anyways, thanks for you time. thank you for listening. |
| 19:51.53 | ruskie | naahhh he just doesn't get the idea of open source apparently |
| 19:52.24 | blast007 | SpazzyMcGee: sure :) |
| 19:53.07 | SpazzyMcGee | what's sure? |
| 19:53.44 | blast007 | er |
| 19:54.01 | blast007 | apparently not me |
| 19:54.09 | blast007 | ~lart tab |
| 19:54.09 | ibot | hereby declares tab a troll |
| 19:55.12 | SpazzyMcGee | heh |
| 19:57.36 | brlcad | that should save about 7GB on the server |
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| 20:50.36 | Teppic | Anyone fancy testing a .torrent file for me? |
| 20:51.13 | Teppic | It's not porn.... |
| 20:51.28 | Teppic | And it's bzflag related... |
| 20:55.04 | ruskie | sure thing |
| 20:55.07 | ruskie | link it... |
| 20:55.22 | Teppic | ruskie: win or Mac |
| 20:55.33 | ruskie | linux :) |
| 20:55.43 | ruskie | just gimme both... |
| 20:55.49 | ruskie | I don't mind seeding some extra |
| 20:55.54 | Teppic | http://craven.dyndns.org/torrents.htm |
| 20:56.06 | Teppic | 3 there PPC Intel and Doze |
| 20:58.14 | Teppic | Cheers ruskie. |
| 20:59.07 | ruskie | I haven't yet managed to access the site :) |
| 20:59.39 | Teppic | 404? |
| 20:59.47 | ruskie | no |
| 20:59.50 | ruskie | Connection: close |
| 20:59.57 | ruskie | doesn't like my proxy setting or something... |
| 21:00.08 | ruskie | anyway got it now |
| 21:00.13 | ruskie | unset *_proxy :) |
| 21:00.15 | ts | I'm downloading with 0,0KiB/s |
| 21:00.52 | Teppic | That makes sense, I'm uploading with 0k/s too |
| 21:01.08 | ruskie | yup |
| 21:01.10 | Teppic | I thought it was too easy to set the tracker up.... |
| 21:01.48 | Teppic | Can people reach the tracker via http://craven.dyndns.org:8082/announce ? |
| 21:02.14 | ruskie | curl http://craven.dyndns.org:8082/announce |
| 21:02.14 | ruskie | you sent me garbage - exceptions.ValueError : no info hash |
| 21:02.14 | ts | "you sent me garbage - exceptions.ValueError : no info hash" |
| 21:02.17 | ruskie | lol |
| 21:02.29 | Teppic | So the firewall works than |
| 21:03.05 | Teppic | ahh, it's shifting something. |
| 21:06.46 | LongDon | global login is down |
| 21:07.09 | Winny | surprise! |
| 21:14.09 | Teppic | I think I'm expecting too much of bittorrent for the transfer to be instant with only one seed... |
| 21:18.10 | ruskie | I only use encrypted traffic with torrent... |
| 21:19.13 | Teppic | I wonder if I have that turned on, and tut tut, why would you do that ;) |
| 21:20.23 | Teppic | Yep, it's on. |
| 21:24.27 | delusional | listserver down? |
| 21:25.04 | ruskie | Teppic, so that the ISP can go ****peep**** itself by not being able to figure out what traffic is actually going through... |
| 21:26.36 | Teppic | Yeah, I think my only server which doesn't SSL is ftp, oh and bzfs, I assume. |
| 21:27.25 | Teppic | Well, I'm sure thay will pick up in the fullness of time, I'll go post the torrent files. |
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| 21:28.51 | blast007 | delusional: seems so |
| 21:29.17 | delusional | foeum is slow, but not nonexistant |
| 21:29.19 | blast007 | ~bzflist |
| 21:29.30 | blast007 | brlcad: ping :) |
| 21:30.05 | blast007 | might be doing some backup |
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| 21:30.21 | blast007 | I see gzip running ;) |
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| 21:31.15 | Dessy | hiho :) |
| 21:31.41 | Dessy | ya ya, listserver down ^ |
| 21:32.25 | brlcad | hm, pong? |
| 21:32.34 | Dessy | pong? |
| 21:32.37 | Dessy | lol ^ |
| 21:32.45 | brlcad | the list server is quite busy at the moment |
| 21:33.34 | Dessy | i know ^ |
| 21:33.41 | Dessy | we want to match and it dont work ^ |
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| 21:34.10 | Winny | Dessy: then you'll need to wait |
| 21:34.15 | Dessy | yep ^ |
| 21:34.19 | brlcad | ~bzflist |
| 21:34.39 | brlcad | Dessy: patience .. give it a try in a minute or so |
| 21:34.53 | Dessy | ya :P |
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| 21:36.39 | brlcad | 15 requests currently being processed, 0 idle workers .. it's loaded so connections are throttled back |
| 21:36.51 | Dessy | yay |
| 21:36.53 | Dessy | it work ^ |
| 21:37.11 | Dessy | hi timriker :) |
| 21:38.55 | brlcad | increased the limit to 20 simultaneous |
| 21:40.59 | Epyon | brlcad, ping? |
| 21:42.31 | Winny | how can you slap me with something that isn't made?! huh?! |
| 21:43.12 | Epyon | They're plain black :P |
| 21:43.31 | tannerld | Winny: he shot your grandfather in the future |
| 21:43.46 | Winny | tannerld: ? |
| 21:44.14 | tannerld | Exactly! |
| 21:46.26 | Winny | macsforme: new name? |
| 21:47.18 | brlcad | Epyon: pong |
| 21:50.04 | Constitution | Winny: my alternate nick for when my DSL dies :( |
| 21:50.13 | Winny | oh |
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| 21:55.36 | Teppic | Is it normal for dsl to die all the time, I had cable for years, and have just switched to dsl, it goes down more than a cheap wh***? |
| 21:57.12 | Constitution | sometimes mine dies about once every hour... other times it goes for days without disconnecting |
| 21:58.08 | gsnedders | last disconnect here was caused by my dad kicking the phone wire out of the socket |
| 21:58.31 | Teppic | I got bored in the end, now I have a cron run every five minutes, if it can't ping the gateway it resets the modem, but that can't be right, can it? |
| 21:59.42 | DTRemenak | in the year+ I've had dsl here I've only had it disconnect twice, and once was a planned outage |
| 22:00.31 | DTRemenak | on the other hand, my parents' cable connection disconnects once or twice every couple days |
| 22:00.47 | DTRemenak | so I guess it's a YMMV thing |
| 22:01.03 | Constitution | I live out in the middle of nowhere... that might have something to do with it |
| 22:01.42 | Constitution | like ten miles from the city |
| 22:01.54 | Teppic | My cable was dhcp with an hour lease, it was so stable I had the same IP for 8 months, the only time it w=ever went down in 4 years was when the modem died, but it was in a new house, new town, new cables, new exchange etc. |
| 22:07.46 | Teppic | Anyone here work on the wiki? |
| 22:08.23 | Epyon | brlcad, I have a favor to ask... |
| 22:08.57 | Epyon | brlcad, would you like to proofread my master thesis (on bzwgen) somewhere at the end of the comming week? |
| 22:09.33 | Epyon | By proofreading I mean just reading it and pointing out outstanding style/grammar errors... |
| 22:13.23 | blast007 | Teppic: whatcha need? |
| 22:13.47 | Teppic | erm, I forget now. |
| 22:14.36 | Teppic | Oh, I remember, it's OK, I have mediawiki too, I'll just cut and paste the markup from mine if the topic is suitable. I'll have to check. |
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| 22:16.32 | Teppic | AH, man my website has soo much junk in the htdocs folder... |
| 22:17.51 | brlcad | Epyon: how long is it? |
| 22:18.23 | Epyon | 21 pages of text. |
| 22:18.31 | Epyon | But sparse. |
| 22:18.33 | blast007 | heh |
| 22:18.39 | brlcad | double-spaced, 32 point font |
| 22:18.49 | Epyon | brlcad, not that sparce :P |
| 22:18.56 | delusional | I think DSL disconnects directly correllates to the number of possible IP's your provider owns. I have verizon, and they own the largest pool of IP's by far, and they re-allocate IP's as they're network demands. |
| 22:19.01 | brlcad | :) |
| 22:19.01 | Epyon | single-spaced, 12 afair |
| 22:19.15 | brlcad | i could probably help with that then |
| 22:19.23 | Epyon | Great :) |
| 22:19.34 | Epyon | BTW, how's the GSoC report? |
| 22:23.48 | brlcad | oh, finished for the most part |
| 22:24.00 | brlcad | been reviewed by a handful, I'm satisfied |
| 22:24.11 | brlcad | want to proof it? |
| 22:28.30 | Epyon | yeah :D |
| 22:44.17 | Teppic | delusional: I don't care what mine to with IP's, mines static, nice and easy to ban ;-) |
| 22:45.10 | brlcad | while I'm at it, anyone else interested in proofing (what should be a near-final copy)? |
| 22:45.44 | brlcad | i.e. you have time to review it today/tomorrow at the latest |
| 22:45.53 | brlcad | lemme know via pm if youare |
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| 23:35.06 | brlcad | wow, nearly a whole GB of user-uploaded data on phpbb |
| 23:36.37 | Winny | thats all? I figured there would be more for some reason |
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| 23:48.56 | I_Died_Once | question: is there a record anywhere of when someone might have been added and removed from the masterban list ????????? |
| 23:49.12 | I_Died_Once | n/m |
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| 23:53.40 | brlcad | there's a record of every add/remove including comments usually as to why |
| 23:54.08 | brlcad | Winny: that's a lot for basically a bunch of lil images and bzw files |
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