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| 01:37.45 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03L4m3rthanyou * r15865 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/plugins/rabbitTimer/rabbitTimer.cpp: Figure out who the new rabbit is when the current one leaves. Also added a message to inform the rabbit how much time they have as soon as they become the rabbit. Updated for 2.0.10. |
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| 03:56.20 | Rawk | hmm, latest svn bzflag is giving me "[PLUGIN] found but expects an older API version (1), upgrade it" |
| 03:57.02 | Rawk | and "WARNING: unable to load the plugin; [PLUGIN]" |
| 03:58.45 | Rawk | But the plugins I was trying to load were ones in the latest svn. |
| 03:59.59 | Rawk | i.e. the ones I just compiled along side the client and server. |
| 04:01.13 | Rawk | Is the plugin API known to be broken at the moment? |
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| 04:07.08 | Rawk | Or rather, are the plugins in svn head incompatible with the svn head API? |
| 04:16.48 | blast007 | Rawk: are you sure you are using everything from the same build? |
| 04:17.16 | L4m3r | yeah, head's plugins should use the same bzfsAPI.h as bzfs ^_^ |
| 04:18.17 | Rawk | let me try a clean rebuild just to be sure |
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| 05:29.55 | JeffM | and trunk should not still use that message |
| 05:30.02 | JeffM | the API version changed meanings |
| 05:30.48 | JeffM | it's to pevent newer from runing in older, not older from runing in newer. older should run fine in newer, and just use the older interfaces |
| 05:32.02 | JeffM | he must be talking about branch |
| 05:32.54 | JeffM | cus trunk has "Plugin:%s found but expects an newer API version (%d), upgrade your bzfs" |
| 05:44.43 | L4m3r | JeffM: well, same problem |
| 05:45.00 | L4m3r | bzfs and plugins should build with the same version of the API |
| 05:45.11 | JeffM | L4m3r: indeed |
| 05:45.20 | JeffM | he has some old bins mixed in paths somewhere |
| 07:14.57 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r15866 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: NR tanks should not kill burrowed tanks. |
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| 08:06.39 | L4m3r | careful Constitution, it may be better to keep that behavior consistent and fix it in trunk |
| 08:06.48 | Constitution | L4m3r: it's fixed in trunk |
| 08:07.13 | L4m3r | sometimes bugs are left intact for the sake of consistency |
| 08:07.20 | Constitution | ah |
| 08:07.31 | L4m3r | like the player score bug with the API |
| 08:07.34 | Constitution | a good motivation to update? ;) |
| 08:07.43 | L4m3r | still unfair |
| 08:07.46 | L4m3r | ;) |
| 08:07.55 | Constitution | hm |
| 08:07.57 | L4m3r | albeit a minor, specialized advantage |
| 08:08.58 | L4m3r | I don't think it's a big deal in this case... after all, we want to prevent people from using archaic clients |
| 08:09.23 | L4m3r | (especially when they use them specifically for wallwalking and whatnot) |
| 08:10.28 | L4m3r | but in general, consider the implications of fixing client-side bugs that affect gameplay :) |
| 08:10.41 | L4m3r | in the stable branch, that is |
| 08:11.03 | Constitution | yeah, good points... thanks :) |
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| 10:12.40 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r15867 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Reset announcement flags on forgetPoll() so that results are announced correctly in subsequent polls. |
| 10:15.51 | Constitution | if anyone has a wise word on whether my change to the NR-squishing-burrow behavior in 2.0 branch is appropriate, please let me know :) |
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| 12:24.08 | rtfm | Constitution: re: the NR-burrow-squishing, probably better to leave the behavior the same in the branch |
| 12:46.07 | Thumper_ | Constitution: behaviour shouldn't change between 2.0.8 and 2.0.10 clients in a way that affects game play |
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| 16:49.07 | Thumper_ | JeffM: I've got a new trunk server that rebuilds daily so it should pick up protocol changes automagically |
| 16:49.46 | Thumper_ | It's currently just a random map with flags and some plugins. Let me know if you need anything specific for testing |
| 16:52.55 | JeffM | what plugins? |
| 16:53.07 | JeffM | run webstats :) |
| 16:53.12 | JeffM | that one I want to see if it works |
| 16:53.22 | JeffM | fast map would be good too |
| 16:53.45 | JeffM | nether of them require configuration. |
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| 16:59.39 | Thumper_ | logDetail and serverControl so far |
| 16:59.45 | Thumper_ | I build them all and can load whatever you want |
| 17:01.53 | JeffM | fastmap is cool |
| 17:02.12 | JeffM | it will build a cache file for any map, and let the client download it via HTTP |
| 17:02.50 | JeffM | and webstats will provide a web page with each player, score, etc.. |
| 17:03.32 | Thumper_ | done |
| 17:03.42 | Thumper_ | you can load any standard plugin manually with |
| 17:03.52 | Thumper_ | /loadplugin plugins/blah |
| 17:04.13 | Thumper_ | I need to fix the perms - you can't /listplugins but you can load them :-P |
| 17:04.39 | JeffM | what is the server address? |
| 17:04.43 | Thumper_ | it's on the list |
| 17:04.47 | Thumper_ | bzflag3.norang.ca:10000 |
| 17:05.05 | JeffM | http://bzflag3.norang.ca:10000/webstats/ |
| 17:05.27 | Thumper_ | cool |
| 17:06.19 | donny_baker | ~JeffM++ |
| 17:06.28 | donny_baker | ~Thumper_++ |
| 17:06.47 | Thumper_ | try it now |
| 17:06.51 | Thumper_ | (I'm connected) |
| 17:07.04 | donny_baker | really cool |
| 17:07.25 | donny_baker | there might be a bug though... your score isn't negative |
| 17:07.34 | donny_baker | ;) |
| 17:07.38 | Thumper_ | it is now |
| 17:07.40 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 17:08.26 | Thumper_ | JeffM: the server can be restarted by any dev - it's on a shell script loop with a 20 second delay between restarts |
| 17:08.30 | donny_baker | needs a space in the label.."Stats forbzflag3.norang.ca:10000" |
| 17:08.34 | Thumper_ | so if it gets totally hosed you can just kill it with /shutdownserver |
| 17:08.40 | Thumper_ | yeah I saw that |
| 17:09.49 | Thumper_ | the server code refreshes from SVN at midnight PDT rebuilds and restarts (assuming the compile works) |
| 17:09.55 | Thumper_ | if it fails it'll retry the next day |
| 17:10.17 | Thumper_ | I can add more servers with different maps if it's useful |
| 17:11.57 | donny_baker | blast007: ping |
| 17:19.05 | blast007 | donny_baker: pong |
| 17:19.07 | JeffM | donny_baker, the HTML generation needs a LOT of help |
| 17:19.10 | JeffM | feel free to edit it |
| 17:19.17 | JeffM | I'd like it to be able to take templates later |
| 17:19.23 | Thumper_ | heh |
| 17:19.39 | JeffM | and use team colors, and sorts, etc.. |
| 17:19.42 | blast007 | JeffM: embed PHP into it |
| 17:19.48 | JeffM | blast007, I thought about that |
| 17:20.03 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03bthansen * r15868 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/webstats/statTemplates.cpp: |
| 17:20.04 | JeffM | Erroneous, and I even thought of just loading the apache module lib |
| 17:20.05 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: Add blank before servername |
| 17:20.07 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: Trivial formatting change to see if the test server picks it up tomorrow |
| 17:20.09 | blast007 | heh |
| 17:20.15 | JeffM | or python |
| 17:20.18 | JeffM | that could work too |
| 17:20.38 | JeffM | mostly I just wanted to start it so the webheads could have something to exetnd |
| 17:20.54 | JeffM | you can expose anything that the API knows on that page |
| 17:20.57 | Erroneous | mm, webheads |
| 17:21.09 | JeffM | heck you could generate an image that showed where each tank is :) |
| 17:21.11 | Thumper_ | it also responds to this: http://bzflag3.norang.ca:10000/webstatsarethegreatestthingsinceslicedbread |
| 17:21.29 | JeffM | Thumper_, yeah it just uses the first part for the vdir |
| 17:21.40 | JeffM | that should probably be fixed |
| 17:22.10 | JeffM | it'd only be an issue if you loaded 2 plugins that had the same name at the start, cus it uses the plug-in name as the vdir |
| 17:26.29 | donny_baker | np... like i said, it wasn't important |
| 17:26.48 | donny_baker | just trying to keep up with the name changes |
| 17:26.57 | donny_baker | doh |
| 17:27.03 | donny_baker | wrong window |
| 17:27.07 | JeffM | hah |
| 17:27.13 | blast007 | ;) |
| 17:29.32 | JeffM | in just simple HTML how does one change the color of text |
| 17:30.40 | blast007 | http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/special/font.html |
| 17:30.41 | blast007 | http://htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/values.html#color |
| 17:30.59 | JeffM | ahh cool, thanks |
| 17:31.07 | JeffM | and that lasts untill the </font> tag? |
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| 17:31.15 | blast007 | JeffM: yup |
| 17:31.33 | blast007 | just make sure you close tags in the reverse order you opened them |
| 17:32.05 | blast007 | ex: avoid stuff like: <b>This is <i>a short</b> sentence.</i> |
| 17:32.29 | JeffM | yeah not going that far, just want to sort the players by team and color the names based on team name |
| 17:32.44 | blast007 | k |
| 17:34.11 | blast007 | something is slightly wrong with packetloss kick on 2.0.x |
| 17:34.17 | blast007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.17 | blast007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.33 | blast007 | thier lag isn't too high (my limit is 350) |
| 17:40.59 | donny_baker | hmm.. just the message is wrong maybe? |
| 17:41.26 | donny_baker | it is packeloss kick, so their lag shouldn't matter |
| 17:43.54 | blast007 | yeah |
| 17:44.43 | blast007 | I also didn't specify any packetloss kick in my config... |
| 17:45.23 | ts | blast007: hrm |
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| 17:49.13 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03t-s * r15869 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/game/LagInfo.cxx: Consistancy on increasing counter |
| 17:49.34 | ts | blast007: I don't know what is going on |
| 17:51.43 | ts | blast007: Make sure you use the latest version |
| 17:57.07 | ts | blast007: Do you use the announcement feature? |
| 17:58.28 | blast007 | Specifically for the lag stuff? |
| 17:58.34 | blast007 | I have -tkannounce turned on for TKs |
| 18:01.36 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15870 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/webstats/ (statTemplates.cpp statTemplates.h webstats.cpp): |
| 18:01.39 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: sort the players by team. |
| 18:01.41 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: use the template stuff for more of the HTML generation. |
| 18:02.17 | JeffM | untested, but looking better I hope |
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| 18:05.24 | JeffM | blast007, please feel free to make better HTML for it if you wish ;) |
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| 18:10.43 | ts | blast007: Hrm, I don't see what's going on. |
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| 18:16.58 | blast007 | ts: I can probably check it over at some point this week |
| 18:17.39 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15871 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/webstats/ (statTemplates.cpp webstats.cpp): more template stuff. |
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| 18:27.26 | ts | blast007: [Admin] SERVER: *** Server Warning: SomeUser's lag is too high (214 ms) *** |
| 18:27.52 | ts | blast007: That sounds like you use the announcement feature |
| 18:28.49 | ts | blast007: Announcement feature for admins is triggered by -adminlagannounce |
| 18:28.59 | ts | blast007: Do you use that command line option? |
| 18:29.36 | SpazzyMcGee | ts: is that an implemented feature of 2.1? |
| 18:29.44 | ts | SpazzyMcGee: No |
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| 18:30.03 | SpazzyMcGee | Is it on schedule to be? |
| 18:30.05 | JeffM | you only did it for branch? |
| 18:30.20 | ts | For now only in v2_0branch |
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| 18:30.26 | JeffM | why "for now"? |
| 18:30.31 | JeffM | is it unstable code? |
| 18:30.44 | ts | I'm waiting for feedback from some admins |
| 18:30.55 | JeffM | will it be stable by the 17th? |
| 18:31.00 | ts | I did test it and it worked for me |
| 18:33.11 | JeffM | is it somethign that we have to push into branch? |
| 18:33.38 | ts | It's something "nice to have" for me |
| 18:33.56 | JeffM | it's just packetloss kick? or enhancements to packet loss kick? |
| 18:34.08 | Thumper_ | Is this safe? (where lossthreshold is a float initialized to 0.0 |
| 18:34.09 | Thumper_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.24 | ts | Packet loss kick is something different |
| 18:35.06 | Thumper_ | can the compiler create a really small (close to 0.0 float value) but the lossthreshold > 0 is true ? |
| 18:35.19 | Thumper_ | ie there's not epsilon involved in this float check |
| 18:35.28 | Thumper_ | s/not/no/ |
| 18:37.11 | Thumper_ | (in which case the packetloss kick would be active even though nobody set it explicitly) |
| 18:40.23 | blast007 | ts: I don't have -adminlagannounce in my config |
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| 18:40.53 | blast007 | nor did I tell the server to do any packet loss kicks |
| 18:40.57 | blast007 | yet it's doing both |
| 18:41.24 | blast007 | or so it seems, at least... I only get lagwarn announcements when it kicks someone for packetloss |
| 18:41.47 | blast007 | and the lagwarn announcements are not correct, since the values are below my lagwarn limit |
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| 18:57.18 | ts | blast007: How old is your built? |
| 18:59.42 | blast007 | ts: last week maybe? I did a new one since now just today after your change |
| 19:01.03 | ts | There were some bugs that should be gone by now |
| 19:01.12 | ts | but one is still there |
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| 19:17.30 | awilcox | Erroneous: o/ |
| 19:21.28 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r15872 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: Revert r15866 by macsforme. v2_0branch should retain old behavior. |
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| 19:34.50 | Constitution | rtfm: ah, beat me to it :) |
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| 19:42.30 | Constitution | so basically the only stuff that should be changed in 2.0 branch are client crashes, and then small server-side things, like bugs and crashes (obviously), and API features when appropriate? |
| 19:44.48 | Manu | Constitution: time ago, in the topic there was a message about only commit bug fixes in v2_0 branch, but now is not so clear ;) |
| 19:46.27 | Constitution | Manu: yeah, and even my "bug fix" turned out to be inappropriate :) |
| 19:46.43 | Manu | the commited server side changes, don't break the protocol, so old clients also can use it |
| 19:47.05 | Constitution | well that (I hope) goes without saying :) |
| 19:47.25 | Manu | you mean the kick messages? |
| 19:47.33 | Manu | kill* |
| 19:48.08 | Constitution | I mean I understand the importance of not breaking the protocol in 2.0 :) |
| 19:48.08 | Manu | ah, the not responding tank |
| 19:48.29 | Constitution | yeah |
| 19:48.45 | Manu | heh.. that's a bug/feature |
| 19:49.02 | Constitution | I didn't even know about it until it happened to me last night, and I'm like, "Ack! What a nasty bug!" lol |
| 19:49.48 | Constitution | and yeah the kill message was a serverside issue... there were no objections to that, I trust? |
| 19:49.49 | Manu | another side effect happens when you are zoned and goes NR, then the server drops your pz flag and when you are ok again.. you aren't zoned |
| 19:50.05 | Constitution | hm |
| 19:50.10 | Manu | about the kill message I guess better is to send two messages |
| 19:50.26 | JeffM | ts, so is this just annoucement of when kicks and stuff happen? |
| 19:50.32 | Manu | one to the killer and the other to the protected telling who tries to kill/kick/ban him ;) |
| 19:50.56 | Constitution | JeffM: http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag?view=rev&revision=15836 |
| 19:51.10 | JeffM | Constitution, what about it? |
| 19:51.32 | ts | JeffM: It announces when the lag is higher than a value specified |
| 19:51.57 | Manu | Constitution: he is responding to ts :) |
| 19:52.03 | JeffM | ts, is it optional? |
| 19:52.28 | ts | JeffM: The announcements are commandline options |
| 19:52.37 | Thumper_ | JeffM: it's supposed to be optional :) |
| 19:52.40 | JeffM | perhaps it would be better served as a plugin |
| 19:52.41 | Constitution | JeffM: that's the change we were discussing, I thought |
| 19:52.58 | JeffM | just add a hook for when a ping comes in |
| 19:53.06 | JeffM | then thre is less impact on the base server code. |
| 19:53.21 | ts | JeffM: -lagannounce for league and -adminlagannounce for admins seeing players with lag like > 2000ms fast |
| 19:53.31 | Constitution | Manu: oh |
| 19:53.44 | JeffM | ts, I'm just worried about shoving too much into the code |
| 19:53.52 | JeffM | right before a release |
| 19:53.56 | Manu | Constitution: the problem with your fix is.. some clients will do one thing and unpatched ones will work in another way ;) |
| 19:54.24 | ts | JeffM: I made the changes before tupone has discussed about 2.0.10 in this channel |
| 19:54.34 | Manu | Constitution: I guess this is the reason for revert your change |
| 19:55.30 | Constitution | yeah, I understand |
| 19:55.56 | Constitution | just trying to figure out exactly what changes are appropriate leading up to the 2.0.10 release |
| 19:58.27 | JeffM | ts, I know, but if there are stability issues with it, I'm just looking at options |
| 19:58.37 | JeffM | hopefully it'll get worked out |
| 19:59.46 | Manu | Constitution: but you can add the other message like: Player XXX tried to kill you |
| 19:59.50 | Manu | :) |
| 20:00.07 | Manu | for kill/kick and ban |
| 20:00.11 | JeffM | ts, I just like to have backup plans ;) |
| 20:00.35 | Manu | Constitution: I'm too lazy ;) |
| 20:00.44 | Constitution | Manu: yeah, my primary concern was making /kill consistent with /kick and /ban... a good idea, though |
| 20:00.46 | JeffM | Constitution, what is the thing your talking about? do I need to care? ;) |
| 20:00.55 | Manu | JeffM: nah :) |
| 20:00.58 | JeffM | cool |
| 20:01.00 | Constitution | JeffM: wrecking the 2.0 branch code ;) |
| 20:01.04 | JeffM | good |
| 20:01.35 | donny_baker | Constitution: your not really a developer until you break it real good at least once :P |
| 20:01.41 | Constitution | lol |
| 20:01.47 | Manu | hehe |
| 20:02.12 | Manu | you can break it one day before the release ;) |
| 20:02.49 | ruskie | there'll be a 2.0.10 ? |
| 20:02.56 | Manu | probably |
| 20:03.01 | JeffM | ruskie, what does the topic say? |
| 20:03.31 | ruskie | ahh |
| 20:03.50 | ruskie | might put that as the FIRST item if you want to have it noticed? |
| 20:04.01 | JeffM | the first one dosn't change |
| 20:04.13 | ruskie | so the second then... |
| 20:04.28 | JeffM | we assume developers read the entire line ;) |
| 20:04.38 | Manu | hehe |
| 20:04.44 | JeffM | but yes, if we can work it, 2.0.10 sometime in october. |
| 20:04.50 | brlcad | ooh, a date |
| 20:04.53 | JeffM | so that we can get good nix packages. |
| 20:05.01 | JeffM | and hopefully a mac universial build |
| 20:05.06 | JeffM | but nothing major feature wise |
| 20:05.06 | Manu | hi brlcad :) |
| 20:05.10 | brlcad | howdy manu |
| 20:05.22 | JeffM | cool |
| 20:05.41 | brlcad | disgrudgingly that it's a 2.0, but better than nothing :) |
| 20:05.42 | JeffM | it dosn't look like we can make the ubuntu release tho |
| 20:06.20 | JeffM | the only way to hit that, would be if TimRiker did a 2.0.8-2 debian update, today. |
| 20:06.38 | brlcad | anyone else a debian dev? |
| 20:06.51 | brlcad | it's just a matter of submitting the update iirc |
| 20:06.51 | JeffM | not that can submit to the repo |
| 20:07.05 | JeffM | he's "the man" as it was explained to me |
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| 20:07.27 | JeffM | an ubuntu dev will be patching 2.0.8 just for ubnutu |
| 20:07.37 | JeffM | so it will have a working package |
| 20:07.42 | brlcad | TimRiker: you da man, ubuntu/debian need your love ;) |
| 20:07.42 | JeffM | but it won't be the same as the debian one. |
| 20:07.52 | brlcad | got it |
| 20:07.58 | JeffM | he's been buged about it for weeks now. |
| 20:08.19 | JeffM | ubuntu has a cutoff of the end of september for the next release |
| 20:08.23 | Manu | ubuntu will release in october the 7.10 |
| 20:08.35 | JeffM | and it'll take 2ish weeks to get thru the packge system |
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| 20:08.45 | JeffM | so that means we'd have to get that submited NOW |
| 20:08.52 | ruskie | slow system |
| 20:09.27 | Manu | Sourcemage is faster ruskie ;) |
| 20:09.27 | brlcad | could still submit "soon" and it'll be in for their next release .. which might be before 2.2 anyways |
| 20:10.00 | ruskie | Manu, yeah considering I do it as soon as I notice and it's "released" to the rest of the world within 6 hours after I push it... |
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| 20:11.40 | Manu | brlcad: next ubuntu release will be in march probably (the 8.04) |
| 20:11.54 | Manu | april* |
| 20:13.02 | ruskie | well I think I'll crawl off to bed... am tired... |
| 20:13.50 | brlcad | Manu: *nod* |
| 20:14.13 | brlcad | i'd "hope" that we release 2.2 by then ... but it's never garanteed |
| 20:21.46 | JeffM | by then my evil plan will have come to fruition :) |
| 20:22.49 | Manu | JeffM: your evil plan fears me ;) |
| 20:23.01 | JeffM | duh... that's what makes it EVIL |
| 20:23.47 | JeffM | brlcad, you ok with my.bzflag.org hosting some basic images for the webstats plug-in? |
| 20:24.49 | Constitution | speaking of evil plans, can we masterban all IP ranges for next year's april fools joke? |
| 20:24.56 | JeffM | nope |
| 20:25.00 | Constitution | aw :D |
| 20:26.39 | Manu | wow latest news in bzflag.org is the April fools fun :) |
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| 20:40.02 | brlcad | JeffM: of course, anything bz-related is fair game without asking |
| 20:40.33 | JeffM | I'm worried about load |
| 20:40.38 | JeffM | not that it'll be used that much now |
| 20:40.51 | JeffM | but it'd be hit each time somone went and used the default stats page from webstats. |
| 20:41.07 | brlcad | yeah, I'm worried about load too .. but the server's really not overloaded just yet |
| 20:41.13 | brlcad | probably at about 80% capacity |
| 20:41.21 | JeffM | k |
| 20:41.31 | JeffM | the current webstats page is fugly :) |
| 20:41.34 | brlcad | it's only when I'm intentionally overloading it |
| 20:41.47 | brlcad | course, it won't take much to eat up that remainder |
| 20:42.02 | brlcad | but I'm all for finding new and creative ways to eat up bandwidth without taking up more cpu |
| 20:42.23 | brlcad | I'd be a lot happier if I was using more than 50% bandwidth :) |
| 20:42.58 | Manu | what's your max bandwidth brlcad ? :) |
| 20:42.59 | JeffM | http://bzflag3.norang.ca:10000/webstats/ |
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| 20:43.05 | JeffM | that's an example of the current page |
| 20:43.39 | Manu | JeffM: There are no players? ;) |
| 20:43.49 | JeffM | so it seems |
| 20:43.56 | JeffM | join the server, then reload the page ;) |
| 20:44.23 | brlcad | the limit we have repeatedly hit that we have to be careful about is the mysql load, the web server will often seem overloaded because mysql is swamped with inefficient queries |
| 20:44.24 | Manu | join you.. if you remember how to do it ;) |
| 20:44.37 | JeffM | can't |
| 20:44.39 | JeffM | I'm at work |
| 20:45.57 | brlcad | Manu: max is around 4Mbit sustained 24/7 |
| 20:46.20 | brlcad | about 1.25TB/month |
| 20:46.27 | Manu | not bad.. ;) wow |
| 20:46.35 | brlcad | new server over in .de is about double that |
| 20:46.57 | Manu | in Germany? |
| 20:47.03 | brlcad | yep |
| 20:47.27 | Manu | that's good for europeans ;) |
| 20:47.28 | brlcad | "new" .. i've had it for nearly half a year now |
| 20:47.34 | Manu | like me |
| 20:47.40 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:47.44 | brlcad | wanna set it up? :) |
| 20:47.46 | Manu | yes, I remember had hear it |
| 20:48.02 | Manu | I'm not sure having enought time :( |
| 20:48.45 | Manu | brlcad: what kind of setup? |
| 20:49.02 | Manu | well.. set it up.. |
| 20:49.06 | brlcad | a lot like .bz, just faster and bigger |
| 20:49.27 | Manu | probably too much for my little spare time :/ |
| 20:49.36 | Manu | but if I can help, I'll do |
| 20:50.01 | brlcad | at this point, whomever has enough time to dedicate towards setting it up will get to decide a lot about how/what to set up :) |
| 20:50.32 | Manu | brlcad: I'm still working with my POS. Want to finish it before next year :) |
| 20:51.20 | brlcad | that leaves a good 20 hours or so left in your day ;) |
| 20:51.40 | Manu | brlcad: hehe.. I write it at spare time ;) |
| 20:51.47 | Manu | my main job is another |
| 20:52.03 | brlcad | so leaves 12 ;) |
| 20:52.19 | Manu | hehe |
| 20:52.54 | Manu | also have to cook.. attend my kids.. |
| 20:53.30 | Manu | brlcad: and I usually do sleep too ;) |
| 20:54.21 | Manu | but at work I have no problems. .I'm the job ;) |
| 20:54.25 | Manu | boss* |
| 20:55.09 | brlcad | what's your ping to 89.149.202.165 ? |
| 20:55.30 | brlcad | well.. there's your problem .. sleep .. eating .. pffft |
| 20:55.33 | Manu | 94 ms aprox |
| 20:55.40 | Manu | 90-100 ms to Germany |
| 20:55.46 | brlcad | hm, not so great |
| 20:55.51 | brlcad | what's it to .bz ? |
| 20:55.55 | Manu | Germany is far ;) |
| 20:56.00 | brlcad | that's not the ip, but it's same rack |
| 20:56.15 | Manu | 214 ms to bzflag.bz |
| 20:56.21 | donny_baker | Manu: I thought you were German |
| 20:56.22 | brlcad | ahh, hehe |
| 20:56.27 | Manu | donny_baker: nein :) |
| 20:56.32 | brlcad | so it is much better at least :) |
| 20:56.58 | Manu | brlcad: in Spain our pings aren't so great :( |
| 20:57.19 | Manu | and now it's better, last year my ping to Germany was 125-130 ms |
| 20:57.59 | brlcad | if you weren't so busy sleeping and eating ... |
| 20:57.59 | Manu | and to .bz 250-260 ms |
| 20:58.00 | Manu | brlcad: I also do another things instead of sleeping ;) |
| 20:58.11 | Manu | brlcad: I have 4 kids ;) |
| 20:58.11 | brlcad | clearly, eating :) |
| 20:58.28 | Manu | nah.. my kids eat me |
| 20:58.35 | brlcad | that's a lot of potential coders and networking gurus ;) |
| 20:58.54 | Manu | yes, I hope they'll make me rich some day.. lol |
| 20:59.00 | brlcad | hehe |
| 20:59.06 | Manu | the little one is 8 and plays bzflag |
| 20:59.21 | Manu | is not so bad for his age :) |
| 20:59.25 | Manu | is a first step |
| 20:59.44 | Manu | he has his web page too.. |
| 20:59.51 | brlcad | cool |
| 21:00.00 | Manu | and never asked me how to do it... o_O |
| 21:00.22 | Manu | he managed the computer before learned to read |
| 21:00.50 | Erroneous | heh |
| 21:00.56 | Manu | I guess with the method error and retry ;) |
| 21:02.02 | Manu | he also talks somethign in english |
| 21:03.04 | brlcad | yup, my first coding lessons were effectively trial and error, editing lines of basic and seeing what happened when I ran with the changes |
| 21:03.18 | brlcad | that's pretty cool, and pretty good for a kid his age |
| 21:03.45 | Manu | brlcad: my first language was code machine.. (not assembler) for a self made computer |
| 21:03.52 | Manu | then I learned assembler and basic |
| 21:04.04 | Manu | 1978 IIRC |
| 21:04.25 | Manu | I had to type the program in an hex keyboard |
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| 21:05.36 | Manu | brlcad: yes, I hope my little kid is the only one who likes computers ;) |
| 21:05.58 | Manu | they other kids are simply users |
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| 21:07.14 | gsnedders | Manu: silly kids. shouldn't get into computers. should go outside more. |
| 21:07.22 | Manu | brlcad: BTW what happened to learner? ;) long time no see |
| 21:08.02 | brlcad | yeah, his computer's been sitting rather unused for a while.. |
| 21:08.15 | Manu | gsnedders: he likes bicycle too |
| 21:27.16 | Manu | brlcad: about the lag some german players in german servers have a lag of 7-15 ms |
| 21:27.42 | Manu | today I saw one with 4 ms lag.. :_( |
| 21:52.55 | Manu | bad lan.. :) |
| 21:58.30 | L4m3r | best ping on a real server was on in san diego... 16ms |
| 21:58.36 | L4m3r | one* |
| 22:02.48 | brlcad | that's pretty wild |
| 22:03.04 | Manu | L4m3r: I'm talking about a real server, Viper |
| 22:04.07 | L4m3r | brlcad: this was when mofo rented a server there. the dorm pipe in LA helped too ;) |
| 22:18.18 | ts | Manu: I guess I can consider myself lucky then :) |
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| 23:45.17 | spldart | Questi9on... I cannot start bzflag without windows error. Tried starting in command prompt but no info... tried 2.0.8 and 2.0.9s9 |
| 23:45.33 | a_meteorite | what is the error, spldart? |
| 23:45.53 | spldart | none specified...juust generic send error report? query |
| 23:46.06 | a_meteorite | is there a not "more info" button or something? |
| 23:46.07 | spldart | amd, nvidia, |
| 23:46.21 | spldart | nonya |
| 23:46.44 | spldart | its like it's not even getting to the graphic portion before crash |
| 23:47.04 | a_meteorite | got the latest drivers? |
| 23:47.12 | a_meteorite | from the mfg, not from microsoft |
| 23:47.18 | spldart | I changed the video card aweek ago... ati 9800 to nvidia 6200 |
| 23:47.26 | spldart | latest drivers yes |
| 23:47.27 | a_meteorite | that's a tell-tale sign |
| 23:48.09 | spldart | I uninstalled ati stuff and put in t;his nvidia and installed latest drivers |
| 23:48.29 | spldart | also installed hauppage pvr-150 and a usb 2.0 by via recently |
| 23:48.30 | a_meteorite | fdisk. that will fix your problems |
| 23:48.36 | spldart | LOL |
| 23:48.36 | a_meteorite | heh, just kidding... :P |
| 23:48.44 | spldart | it runs fine in linux |
| 23:48.48 | spldart | it's a dual boot |
| 23:48.48 | a_meteorite | sometimes windows breaks badly on hardware changes |
| 23:49.11 | spldart | widoze accell is working fine otherwise |
| 23:49.18 | spldart | 3d accell that ius |
| 23:49.51 | spldart | linux = debian,radeon free, xorg |
| 23:50.35 | spldart | windoze = xp sp2 |
| 23:52.18 | Winny | windoze = me |
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| 23:58.51 | a_meteorite | spldart: does other 3d apps work? |
| 23:58.57 | a_meteorite | games, specifically |