| 00:00.10 | CBG` | sure :P |
| 00:00.36 | CBG` | sorry for OT but... any debian (or similar) user want to help me (in private) configure my network connection setting stuff? :) |
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| 00:02.08 | JeffM | Winny, the bland gray blend in the text dosn't wow me ether |
| 00:02.18 | JeffM | maybe make it solid but slightly transperant |
| 00:02.26 | JeffM | and throw the moon in there :) |
| 00:02.32 | Winny | uhh |
| 00:02.36 | Winny | it was so fugly looking with the mon |
| 00:02.40 | Erroneous | woot moon |
| 00:02.43 | Winny | moon, even |
| 00:02.46 | Erroneous | or the stars :) |
| 00:02.50 | JeffM | you don't have to do the full moon |
| 00:02.54 | JeffM | just maybe a sliver |
| 00:03.07 | CBG` | <Macrosoft> add a goatse too |
| 00:05.26 | Winny | heh |
| 00:06.06 | Winny | http://bzfusion.net/bzflag.org/diff2.jpg |
| 00:06.12 | tannerld | wasn't there a deb for 2.0.10RC1 somewhere? |
| 00:06.33 | JeffM | better |
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| 00:06.54 | JeffM | maybe overlap the tanks a little, move the blue one back |
| 00:07.02 | Winny | "back"? |
| 00:07.05 | JeffM | in depth |
| 00:07.12 | JeffM | back and behind the red |
| 00:07.17 | Winny | oh |
| 00:07.26 | JeffM | I'd also tighen up the spacing between the ltters |
| 00:07.36 | JeffM | and fatten them up a smidge |
| 00:09.05 | Winny | http://bzfusion.net/bzflag.org/diff3.jpg |
| 00:10.41 | Winny | and in-game: http://bzfusion.net/bzflag.org/bzfi0890.png |
| 00:10.49 | brlcad | B7Flag? |
| 00:10.50 | Winny | oops.. |
| 00:10.52 | Winny | nvm that one. |
| 00:11.29 | CBG` | not 7, brlcad. you can see the "tail" of the Z above the blue tank/s left tread |
| 00:11.48 | Winny | lets try this again.. in-game: http://bzfusion.net/bzflag.org/bzfi0891.png |
| 00:12.00 | delusional_ | I say move the blue tank in front of the F |
| 00:12.34 | brlcad | uh huh |
| 00:13.50 | Winny | BZFlag crash...need to restart to reset my gamma... brb. |
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| 00:18.10 | Winny | anyone want the PSD so they can play with it? |
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| 00:19.27 | CBG` | me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me me |
| 00:25.53 | Winny | annyone? |
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| 00:41.13 | brlcad | Winny: keep at it, you're getting there |
| 00:41.27 | Winny | brlcad: what should I change? :p |
| 00:44.04 | Winny | I can't "get it there" if there is no place to go to |
| 00:46.17 | spldart | No matter where you go... there you are. |
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| 01:01.03 | Winny | laters |
| 01:01.37 | spldart | head'n out? |
| 01:01.48 | Winny | indeed |
| 01:01.57 | spldart | C_yah :) |
| 01:02.14 | Winny | o_o |
| 01:02.38 | spldart | o_O |
| 01:03.49 | spldart | pfffth |
| 01:05.17 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15918 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/geometry/models/tank/high_turret.cxx: fix a small gap in the hightank turret model, the hatch cap is at 2.05 not 2.08 |
| 01:07.27 | awilcox | spldart: howdy! |
| 01:07.33 | awilcox | how hoes it? |
| 01:07.37 | awilcox | s/hoes/goes/ |
| 01:07.47 | spldart | High_Dee_Hoe |
| 01:08.00 | awilcox | Lol. |
| 01:12.45 | spldart | ah crap |
| 01:13.23 | spldart | sry |
| 01:14.25 | spldart | uhmm... what does "SportChicked" mean??? |
| 01:14.28 | awilcox | spldart: begud it. |
| 01:14.33 | awilcox | s/begud/debug/ |
| 01:15.08 | awilcox | You said that...acronym and you got scolded in PM for saying it. |
| 01:15.13 | spldart | I may have too but it's common to both OS's... and windows .exe and debian .deb dun't work |
| 01:15.39 | spldart | ah |
| 01:15.53 | spldart | Nopers... but I did say sry nonetheless |
| 01:16.05 | awilcox | Ahh. Normally when I say it I get SportChicked. |
| 01:16.12 | spldart | heh |
| 01:16.22 | spldart | Jeff don't appreciate it either |
| 01:16.31 | awilcox | No wonder. |
| 01:16.43 | awilcox | Anyways, spldart, I'm having kinda the same problem |
| 01:16.47 | spldart | thus the sry... but anywho... I'm not good... badly jonesing for some bzfflag play |
| 01:16.59 | awilcox | bzflag locks on this machine...randomly DURING play. |
| 01:17.05 | awilcox | so I just d/led the code |
| 01:17.19 | awilcox | And I will be compiling it and running it in a debugger shortly. |
| 01:17.49 | spldart | I grabbed the code twice.. svn and an old tar.gz but NOPE... will not build on this POS either... I'm SERIOUSLY not happy. |
| 01:18.25 | spldart | Maybe I should just enjoy the poop outta Halo and UT |
| 01:18.53 | awilcox | building and running != debugging |
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| 01:20.29 | spldart | heh... bzflag... bzfrag |
| 01:20.48 | spldart | I WANNA BLOW UP TANKERS |
| 01:20.53 | awilcox | spldart: I know that, no I mean bzf lag as in, "I'm lagging" |
| 01:21.04 | spldart | yeppers |
| 01:21.05 | awilcox | bzf lag XD |
| 01:21.14 | spldart | btw |
| 01:21.31 | spldart | were you able to put any of that stuff I sent yah to good use? |
| 01:22.13 | awilcox | I also had a rather...interesting discussion last night with a guy. he noticed I was @ and asked how he would set up a server. I told him about the love-r-ly man pages and he said thanks. then I asked him "what kind of server?" he said "well, I dunno." I eventually squeezed it out of him... |
| 01:22.25 | awilcox | He said he wanted to make a server for cheaters to go to cheat. |
| 01:22.55 | spldart | silly people... cheating is for no list server servers |
| 01:23.00 | awilcox | Now, ya know, he's got the right _idea_, preventing them from logging on to other servers. but the problem is, it might look like we're _endorsing_ cheating... |
| 01:23.39 | spldart | yeah |
| 01:24.04 | awilcox | I told him all this. he said "yeah" and then left...but not before showing me a "trick"...heh |
| 01:24.18 | awilcox | he was obviously a cheater himself. |
| 01:24.38 | spldart | s/to/two |
| 01:24.43 | spldart | or |
| 01:24.46 | spldart | s/two/to |
| 01:24.54 | awilcox | he called himself "nightmare" and said you guys would have a field day just telling you about him. |
| 01:25.12 | spldart | meh... never heard of him |
| 01:25.13 | awilcox | s/telling you/telling me/ |
| 01:25.21 | awilcox | he said "yeah those IRC guys hate me" |
| 01:25.22 | KTL | mmm it could be that old Xtra guy, the yelling one |
| 01:25.45 | spldart | But there was this 'wheelchair' guy that was a pita a while back |
| 01:25.48 | awilcox | no, he said his _old_ name was "NightMare" but that he changed |
| 01:26.01 | awilcox | he said it was so bad, you can't even _register_ the callsign NightMare |
| 01:26.20 | KTL | well Xtra had Nightmare as second nick |
| 01:26.20 | Erroneous | don't pay him any attention, he loves that |
| 01:26.32 | KTL | but to be him it should be a more then average player too |
| 01:26.36 | KTL | hihi |
| 01:26.37 | awilcox | but ya know...I was thinking...still, he has the right idea |
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| 01:27.22 | awilcox | and for him to take the initiative to seek me out and ask how to run his own server, I dunno, maybe it's the "always find the good side" part of me, but I mean it seems like his heart is in the right place |
| 01:27.57 | KTL | strange for a player to be able to adapt the code but not to setup a server ... |
| 01:28.01 | spldart | A caveat... Heart on the internet.... |
| 01:28.04 | spldart | NOPERS |
| 01:28.10 | awilcox | spldart: hah. |
| 01:28.18 | awilcox | KTL: yeah...that's true |
| 01:28.19 | spldart | :-) |
| 01:28.37 | spldart | Extremely good point KTL... |
| 01:29.02 | awilcox | KTL: he's crafty enough, though, he told me the cheaty stuff AFTER he asked all his questions about setting up a server. |
| 01:29.19 | awilcox | and how does -public work and how to set names etc. |
| 01:30.29 | awilcox | anyways. I was just kinda wondering what you guys thought of it |
| 01:30.39 | spldart | Man... :( I wish I still had my broadband and had wartowers up :( |
| 01:30.53 | awilcox | imho he has the right idea, but I mean you don't necessarily want a cheaters server public |
| 01:31.13 | awilcox | he even said "man, but then the other ops might come and get banlists from it" |
| 01:31.31 | spldart | General consensus is have cheat server on different proto than release and server not on list server |
| 01:32.10 | KTL | proto |
| 01:32.32 | KTL | ? |
| 01:32.33 | awilcox | different proto? |
| 01:32.37 | spldart | ?... Not compatible with release |
| 01:32.39 | awilcox | how would you even do that? |
| 01:32.44 | KTL | protocol |
| 01:32.50 | KTL | protocol version number |
| 01:32.57 | awilcox | ahhhhh |
| 01:34.01 | awilcox | the *other* interesting thing was |
| 01:34.22 | awilcox | since we were on together on the same server, it was a VERY slow night so it was towards the top of the list |
| 01:34.32 | awilcox | so other people came on, and he didn't use his cheats |
| 01:35.06 | awilcox | now my thoughts were 1) he knew I was @ and could kick his little tank off the server permanently; 2) he didn't want OTHER people to know his new identity; or, 3) he changed. |
| 01:35.07 | spldart | Well... if you cheat you kill the server real quick... I quit almost instantly at the realization of cheat code |
| 01:35.41 | spldart | Maybe a little action was more important than a cheap thrill that night |
| 01:35.47 | spldart | pardon my cynisism |
| 01:35.54 | spldart | sp? |
| 01:35.59 | awilcox | spldart: heh. I actually had that problem today on the server. someone was cheating (someone else) and 5 people complained before I realised |
| 01:36.08 | spldart | heheh |
| 01:36.24 | awilcox | I didn't actually see the offense, but 5 out of 9 players can't be wrong |
| 01:36.35 | awilcox | that was consensus. just call me the wiki admin. |
| 01:36.50 | KTL | ???? i allmost had a consensus between moderators that i cheated! |
| 01:36.59 | awilcox | KTL: lol |
| 01:36.59 | KTL | that did not make me a cheater! |
| 01:37.31 | awilcox | yes but having 5 of the 8 or 9 saying "he shot angled" when that isn't even on this server is kinda telling. |
| 01:37.52 | awilcox | well, I kicked him first and he came back and did it again, so I did a 1D ban |
| 01:38.28 | awilcox | unless it's blatant vandalism |
| 01:38.34 | awilcox | s/vandalism/cheating/ |
| 01:38.52 | spldart | I got kicked from a MAGOR server for cheating by /poll last year... it was totally cuz I was playing to good. Yah never know |
| 01:39.11 | awilcox | well, no you don't |
| 01:39.18 | awilcox | but he didn't debate being kicked when he came back. |
| 01:39.46 | spldart | hrm |
| 01:39.52 | KTL | usually saying one word again makes the mod kick again hehe |
| 01:40.05 | spldart | Pogovina says her blog is rat_tastic |
| 01:40.17 | awilcox | hehe |
| 01:40.20 | KTL | indeed lots of rats even when i cant see the videos |
| 01:41.04 | KTL | dedicated players |
| 01:41.11 | spldart | LOLOL |
| 01:41.16 | spldart | BOTS |
| 01:41.28 | spldart | RAT_BOTS |
| 01:41.47 | KTL | electrodes in the heads, grown up with only the image of badgerking |
| 01:41.58 | blast007 | heh |
| 01:41.58 | KTL | pain if shot |
| 01:42.07 | spldart | burgerking... have it your way |
| 01:42.38 | KTL | then some cheater comes by and all rats dead because of electrocution |
| 01:42.58 | spldart | Nope... Rat_Cheat_Code |
| 01:43.24 | spldart | Only SW kills them |
| 01:44.17 | KTL | grepping after james in her blog ... |
| 01:44.32 | KTL | unbelievable how open |
| 01:45.24 | spldart | Have you confused me with another J-name/. |
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| 01:45.41 | spldart | oop x-p |
| 01:45.42 | KTL | i love to scare people by researching all kinds of information about them on the net, but you 2 ... |
| 01:45.46 | KTL | :D |
| 01:45.50 | KTL | hi ritha :) |
| 01:46.04 | spldart | POOP_LOADS on spldart and pogovina right? |
| 01:46.09 | Pogovina | lol hi |
| 01:46.43 | spldart | We have contaminated the net with our thilth |
| 01:46.53 | Pogovina | pogovina is known worldwide :) |
| 01:47.24 | KTL | http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb248/Pogovina/Memphis trip June 2007/wholefamilysm.jpg |
| 01:47.47 | Pogovina | yep, thats the fam |
| 01:47.54 | Pogovina | i'm the fat one |
| 01:48.00 | Pogovina | :;p |
| 01:48.13 | KTL | ah the one with the beard, yes it must be genetic :) |
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| 01:48.33 | Pogovina | yep, lol |
| 01:49.49 | spldart | umm.. yeah |
| 01:50.26 | KTL | w00t i found the end of the blog |
| 01:50.46 | awilcox | lol. |
| 01:51.57 | KTL | hey bye i go sleep :D |
| 01:56.39 | spldart | oop... nighty night |
| 01:58.19 | Pogovina | ok, back to mmy movie' |
| 01:58.23 | Pogovina | gnite |
| 02:11.02 | awilcox | nn :) |
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| 02:13.28 | Winny | hehe |
| 02:15.56 | brlcad | aah, hehe |
| 02:22.55 | spldart | 280.. woah... I never got alot past 100 |
| 02:23.17 | spldart | but that beats my best win 98 uptime.... 36 or so days |
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| 02:24.35 | DTRemenak | by that time you should have been entirely out of memory just from alloc leaks |
| 02:24.58 | spldart | Get this.... Take some hallucinagen... imagen the geico lizard as gojira 'godzilla' trying to sell insurance to tokyo residence... eh' eh eh' |
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| 02:37.00 | short_circuit | Ok... that is just weird |
| 02:37.17 | short_circuit | brb |
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| 02:38.47 | short_circuit | aaahhh.. much better.. [/duke_nukem] |
| 02:42.24 | Macrosoft | ...? |
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| 04:04.18 | Supaplex | where can I find bzflag rpms for RHEL5? I've unlearned plenty of rpmish stuff. I tried building from source, but it says the /lib/cpp preprocessor failed the sanity check. (which I don't know how to fix either) |
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| 04:25.57 | blast007 | Supaplex: do you have g++ installed? :P |
| 04:26.48 | Supaplex | I'll have to check when I'm on that machine again. |
| 04:26.54 | Supaplex | yum search g++ I assume? |
| 04:27.35 | blast007 | I suppose |
| 04:27.50 | blast007 | but likely that error is from not having a C++ compilier |
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| 04:49.53 | Epyon_ | Time to stop drinking. Time to go to sleep. |
| 04:49.57 | Epyon_ | I guess. |
| 04:59.38 | JeffM | DTRemenak: what was I going to do with shots? |
| 04:59.40 | JeffM | the GM tracking? |
| 05:00.22 | Thumper_ | s |
| 05:01.37 | JeffM | s? |
| 05:02.37 | Epyon_ | t |
| 05:02.43 | Thumper_ | ww |
| 05:02.46 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 05:02.53 | awilcox | u |
| 05:15.51 | DTRemenak | yeah, gm tracking |
| 05:31.11 | rob1n | ~seen amathis |
| 05:31.13 | ibot | amathis <n=amathis@c-75-64-163-68.hsd1.tn.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 63d 5h 23m 8s ago, saying: 'oof, wrong window'. |
| 05:37.38 | rob1n | ~seen pyrobunny101 |
| 05:37.39 | ibot | rob1n: i haven't seen 'pyrobunny101' |
| 05:37.49 | rob1n | ~seen patlabor221 |
| 05:37.50 | ibot | patlabor221 <n=JeffM@pool-71-109-227-134.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 121d 1h 19m 53s ago, saying: 'I prefer Ubuntu over debian now'. |
| 05:38.04 | JeffM | he's dead |
| 05:38.09 | JeffM | died long ago |
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| 13:02.07 | Guest256eu | hallo leutz |
| 13:02.34 | Guest256eu | mein kumpel und ich möchten ne runde zocken aber haben das random level satt... |
| 13:03.02 | Guest256eu | kann uns jemand kurz erklären wie wie die heruntergeladenen maps spielen können? |
| 13:04.24 | Chestal | Guest256eu: mit englisch hat man hier mehr Glück. Ihr wollt auf nem lokalen Server spielen? |
| 13:38.08 | Macrosoft | <Guest256eu>my buddy and I would like to have ne round zocken however the random level fullly... |
| 13:39.00 | Macrosoft | <Guest256eu>to us can someone being able to play briefly to explain like like the downloaded maps? |
| 13:40.35 | Chestal | Macrosoft: noch da? |
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| 13:41.03 | Macrosoft | <Chestal>with English one has here more luck. You want to play local server on nem? |
| 13:41.30 | Macrosoft | Chestal: just trying find out what he was asking |
| 13:41.38 | Chestal | ah, ok |
| 13:42.03 | Chestal | long gone, though |
| 13:43.11 | Macrosoft | the only words i knew out of german were hallo, mein, spieler, and englisch |
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| 14:59.58 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03t-s * r15919 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Check whether player still exists before trying to kick |
| 15:06.29 | Plouj | hahah |
| 15:06.32 | Plouj | nice fix |
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| 15:29.46 | JBdiGriz | Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrr !!!! |
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| 15:32.00 | blast007 | shiver my timbers!! |
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| 15:37.11 | BirthdayChick | I wanna know who made today, of all days, pirate day :p |
| 15:39.49 | blast007 | SportChick: it be John Baur 'n' Mark Summers! arrrr! |
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| 15:54.01 | Plouj | blast007: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/17/1948238&from=rss Trent Reznor? |
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| 16:49.01 | djpenguin | hi guys |
| 16:49.06 | djpenguin | i need some help |
| 16:51.44 | JeffM | With? |
| 17:08.29 | bryjen | maintaining an open connection? |
| 17:08.41 | Thumper_ | getting a real IRC client? |
| 17:09.07 | Thumper_ | patience? :-P |
| 17:19.15 | *** topic/#bzflag by Erroneous -> http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9453 || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || http://my.bzflag.org/w/ || 2.0.10RC 1 Tag and builds are going up, may the gods have mercy on us all |
| 17:19.35 | donny_baker | heh... my guess is having his server global auth :P |
| 17:19.47 | Erroneous | ohloh has updated :) |
| 17:28.58 | bryjen | Avast! Who dregded up that scurvy rat JBdiGriz? I 'adn't 'erd a peep outa that one in a long while. |
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| 18:31.19 | tannerld | ~CBG++ |
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| 18:48.41 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r15920 10/trunk/bzflag/plugins/plugin_utils/ (Makefile.am VC71/Makefile.am): plugin_utils makefile fixes as per branch |
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| 20:25.37 | JBdiGriz | bryjen: I escaped from Davy Jone's locker, just to harass you for the day. |
| 20:27.03 | awilcox | Arrrrr thar be JBdiGriz! |
| 20:27.40 | Winny | talk like a pirate day so soon? |
| 20:27.51 | Winny | oh wait, Im thinking of download like a pirate day |
| 20:28.00 | CBG` | heh |
| 20:28.07 | awilcox | haha! |
| 20:28.15 | CBG` | it is infact today!! |
| 20:28.21 | CBG` | damnit. why do I always miss it?! |
| 20:28.32 | awilcox | Winny: or is that B7Flag? XD |
| 20:29.38 | awilcox | I think the blue tank should be on the right. but no transporter. |
| 20:30.03 | Winny | awilcox: not like theyy'll use it anyways |
| 20:31.23 | Constitution | awilcox: you could always pirate one of a_meteorite's maps... assuredly he would not rest until he landed you in jail. ;) |
| 20:31.32 | Winny | rofl |
| 20:31.35 | awilcox | lol |
| 20:31.36 | Winny | ~Constituion++ |
| 20:31.38 | Constitution | (just an example to show that it is possible) |
| 20:31.49 | awilcox | ~Constitution++ |
| 20:31.54 | awilcox | You dropped a 't' there, Winny. |
| 20:32.10 | Constitution | ~karma Constituion |
| 20:32.10 | ibot | constituion has karma of 1 |
| 20:32.14 | Winny | ~Constitution++ |
| 20:32.18 | Constitution | ~Constituion-- |
| 20:32.23 | Constitution | thank you :) |
| 20:32.29 | awilcox | ~karma Constitution |
| 20:32.29 | ibot | constitution has karma of 30 |
| 20:32.31 | awilcox | :o |
| 20:32.33 | Winny | ~karma Winny |
| 20:32.33 | ibot | winny has karma of 23 |
| 20:32.35 | awilcox | ~karma awilcox |
| 20:32.35 | ibot | awilcox has karma of 10 |
| 20:32.36 | Winny | woot |
| 20:32.40 | awilcox | Aw come on. |
| 20:32.41 | JeffM | ~Constituion-- |
| 20:32.44 | awilcox | I donated an icon! |
| 20:32.50 | JeffM | cus he's a jerk ;) |
| 20:32.54 | Winny | JeffM: IMHO, this looks better. http://bzfusion.net/bzflag.org/BZTitle.png |
| 20:32.56 | awilcox | JeffM: haha |
| 20:32.59 | Constitution | ~karma Constituion |
| 20:32.59 | ibot | constituion has karma of -1 |
| 20:33.01 | Constitution | lol |
| 20:33.51 | JeffM | the spacing between things is odd |
| 20:33.57 | awilcox | Winny: no no no |
| 20:34.06 | awilcox | Winny: the blue tank goes infront of the g. |
| 20:34.09 | awilcox | trust me, it will woot. |
| 20:34.10 | JeffM | the spacing between the letters and the tank |
| 20:34.20 | JeffM | I perfer the tanks overlaping in our current logo |
| 20:34.30 | Winny | hm |
| 20:34.35 | Winny | it just, lumps everything |
| 20:34.39 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:34.44 | JeffM | it's a good anchor |
| 20:34.48 | JeffM | your lighting is also mehh |
| 20:34.49 | Winny | :/ |
| 20:35.04 | JeffM | I like the moon |
| 20:35.06 | JeffM | I like the moutnans |
| 20:35.09 | JeffM | I like the font |
| 20:35.31 | awilcox | The moon woots. |
| 20:35.34 | Winny | if you think about it, the lighting on the tanks is almost right |
| 20:35.40 | JeffM | the overall design has low contrast |
| 20:35.41 | Winny | since its coming from behind |
| 20:35.52 | JeffM | I don't mean the direction I mean the intensity |
| 20:36.00 | JeffM | the shadows aren't as sharp |
| 20:36.21 | JeffM | the current design has more "pop" |
| 20:37.22 | JeffM | I think you've got the right images, you just now need to work on the design aspect |
| 20:37.32 | JeffM | how they are all laid out |
| 20:39.15 | CBG` | current image has more "pop" because, imho, grass is greener, text is stronger (with faint gradient, that JeffM told Winny to remove from his version) and a darker background (no mountains/moon). |
| 20:39.51 | JeffM | yeah the mountans and the moon will make it a little more mushy there |
| 20:40.00 | JeffM | but I think there are ways to bring the rest out |
| 20:40.08 | JeffM | mostly I think it's just spacing and contrast |
| 20:40.19 | CBG` | letters need to stand out more, imho |
| 20:40.25 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:40.28 | JeffM | the blend before was meh |
| 20:40.37 | JeffM | maybe the transperant isn't the way to go |
| 20:40.43 | JeffM | or maybe they need a stronger outline |
| 20:41.59 | JeffM | can you duype it? |
| 20:42.20 | Winny | JeffM: http://bzfusion.net/bzflag.org/BZTitle2.png |
| 20:42.36 | JeffM | Winny, try black |
| 20:42.45 | Winny | for the letters? |
| 20:42.46 | JeffM | too casper |
| 20:42.50 | JeffM | for the outline at least |
| 20:43.00 | JeffM | and maybe use a darker, less transperant fill for the letters |
| 20:43.08 | JeffM | or of you want try non transpearants |
| 20:43.29 | JeffM | and realy tighten up those letters |
| 20:43.38 | JeffM | make em allmost touch |
| 20:44.54 | Winny | then theres a huge gap on each end.. |
| 20:45.04 | JeffM | then make the text wider |
| 20:45.05 | CBG` | make 'em bigger too! :D |
| 20:45.14 | JeffM | they don't have to be the default width |
| 20:45.30 | JeffM | but realy, feel free to ignore any of my sugestions or comments, it's your art :) |
| 20:45.56 | Constitution | brlcad: are there further issues for the "Ip to alternate callsigns database" patch (possibly an issue with Windows file paths), or are we cool to apply it? |
| 20:46.05 | CBG` | add a green slogan saying "SUCK THIS". |
| 20:46.31 | JeffM | Constitution, how many people have that API bug? and can you dupe it? |
| 20:46.35 | Winny | JeffM: http://bzfusion.net/bzflag.org/BZTitle3.png (letter-texture-wise)? |
| 20:46.53 | JeffM | not horible for a texture |
| 20:46.54 | Constitution | JeffM: I only came across it in my own tests, but yes I can dupe it |
| 20:46.56 | JeffM | not hoprible at all |
| 20:47.01 | JeffM | Constitution, can you fix it? |
| 20:47.02 | CBG` | hmm, a little better I think |
| 20:47.30 | Constitution | JeffM: probably, but I'm afraid I'll break something else. I was hoping for some input on what's the best way to go about it. |
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| 20:47.43 | Constitution | there's several ways to do it |
| 20:47.44 | JeffM | record is mystic sorcery |
| 20:47.46 | CBG` | still could do with being a bit bigger |
| 20:47.48 | CBG` | and, tbh, I think small case "lag" would be nice, if the font will allow |
| 20:47.53 | JeffM | what is the exact cause of the crash? |
| 20:48.06 | CBG` | awilcox: take an eye test |
| 20:48.11 | Winny | awilcox: you downloaded the game, you KNOW what its called. |
| 20:48.17 | awilcox | Winny: lol |
| 20:48.23 | CBG` | right above the left track of the blue tank is the tail of the Z. |
| 20:48.33 | Constitution | bz_saveRecBuf() on a bz_ePlayerPart event results in the RecordReplay class trying to send notice of the saved buffer to all players, including the one that is in the proccess of leaving |
| 20:48.50 | JeffM | oh, just dont' send it to him then |
| 20:48.51 | Constitution | realPlayer(playerID) passes too, since the player hasn't fully parted yet |
| 20:49.05 | JeffM | do we have some sort of mark on them? |
| 20:49.06 | Constitution | yeah, but it's a broadcastMessage() call |
| 20:49.20 | Constitution | the only check is whether getPlayerRecord returns null |
| 20:49.20 | JeffM | so make it not be a broadcast |
| 20:49.23 | CBG` | awilcox: wow, you have to be real close to see it? |
| 20:49.23 | JeffM | we have to do that as well |
| 20:49.28 | JeffM | in many places |
| 20:49.31 | JeffM | just do a loop |
| 20:49.44 | JeffM | that's the simplest fix I'd think |
| 20:49.51 | Constitution | so the Player class will need some sort of flag? |
| 20:49.57 | awilcox | CBG`: yes. |
| 20:50.04 | JeffM | yeah don't we have an active flag? |
| 20:50.07 | awilcox | CBG`: This is a laptop TFT, I'm blind as a bat when it comes to light things |
| 20:50.12 | CBG` | awilcox: take an eye test. ;) |
| 20:50.17 | JeffM | or do we have the player ID of who's parting when we broadcast? |
| 20:50.24 | JeffM | did we pack it into the message |
| 20:50.30 | JeffM | just don't send it if the ID == that parting ID |
| 20:50.42 | JeffM | if not, pass the ID along |
| 20:50.54 | Winny | JeffM, CBG`, awilcox: http://bzfusion.net/bzflag.org/BZTitle4.png |
| 20:51.15 | awilcox | Well I can see more of the Z, but it kinda blends :/ |
| 20:51.26 | awilcox | The font is really cool. |
| 20:51.35 | JeffM | I'd still move that blue tank to overlap a lot more |
| 20:51.48 | JeffM | you did a noise bulr for the texture didn't you? |
| 20:51.55 | Winny | yes |
| 20:51.58 | Winny | :p |
| 20:52.00 | CBG` | nice... but the font stroke needs some work |
| 20:52.01 | JeffM | do it in a biger image |
| 20:52.08 | JeffM | then passte that INTO the seclection |
| 20:52.11 | Winny | yeah |
| 20:52.14 | Winny | I was lazy this time |
| 20:52.15 | JeffM | you won't get the outline around the words |
| 20:52.20 | JeffM | it's geting more pop |
| 20:52.26 | JeffM | I'd increase the contrast on the tanks |
| 20:52.30 | JeffM | and tighten them up |
| 20:52.34 | JeffM | and your getting there |
| 20:52.43 | JeffM | maybe move the moon inbetween the L and A |
| 20:52.44 | awilcox | I still say the blue tank should be pushed further back in the Z line and moved to in front of the 'g' |
| 20:52.59 | JeffM | awilcox, that will split it too much |
| 20:53.05 | JeffM | you want all your tanks in a row ;) |
| 20:53.14 | awilcox | hehe |
| 20:53.33 | JeffM | at best we want to minimise the number of letters that are covered |
| 20:53.48 | awilcox | Of course, now that I've _reported_ it freezes, it doesn't freeze anymore -- even after doing 2-hour long sessions |
| 20:53.50 | JeffM | Constitution, what file/line calls the boardcast? |
| 20:54.11 | Constitution | bzfs.cxx:264 |
| 20:54.20 | Constitution | it's all in the backtrace file I attached to the bug report |
| 20:54.56 | JeffM | no no |
| 20:55.05 | JeffM | not where broadcast is |
| 20:55.13 | JeffM | where the replay class sends out the boradcast |
| 20:55.32 | JeffM | we don't want change boradcast, we want to not call broadcast ;) |
| 20:55.56 | Constitution | well Record::saveBuffer() calls sendMessage to ServerPlayer, which results in sendMessage calling broadCastMessage() |
| 20:55.56 | awilcox | boradcast! |
| 20:56.36 | Constitution | bzfs.cxx: 1391 |
| 20:56.55 | Winny | http://bzfusion.net/bzflag.org/BZTitle5.png |
| 20:57.31 | Constitution | and broadcastMessage() does the realPlayer() check on each player before sending, but that's all |
| 20:57.38 | awilcox | Winny: a little to the right, and maybe a tick up |
| 20:57.53 | Constitution | Winny: ooo brushed metal :D |
| 20:58.05 | JeffM | hmm maybe we di want to change broadcast, this could be a much more general problem.... |
| 20:58.14 | Constitution | yeah exactly |
| 20:58.48 | Winny | awilcox: so you DO what B7Flag back? |
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| 20:58.57 | Constitution | the fix is probably small, but an "elegant" solution will probably require a change in approach |
| 20:59.02 | awilcox | Winny: the moon |
| 20:59.07 | Constitution | and we're so close to release :\ |
| 20:59.09 | awilcox | Winny: [the moon needs to go] a little to the right, and maybe a tick up |
| 20:59.12 | CBG` | Constitution: bz... elegant... ? |
| 20:59.24 | JeffM | Winny, you made it brighter. not more constrasty |
| 20:59.29 | JeffM | make the darks darker ;) |
| 20:59.31 | Constitution | CBG`: i.e., not severely messed up and convoluted :P |
| 20:59.35 | Winny | I did both |
| 20:59.47 | Winny | JeffM: darks darkers on the tank, or the..? |
| 20:59.58 | JeffM | look at the existing logo |
| 21:00.02 | JeffM | see how dark the shadows are |
| 21:00.13 | JeffM | it's night time, the tanks should not GLOW ;) |
| 21:00.22 | awilcox | hehe |
| 21:00.37 | Winny | the current tanks glow in the current logo |
| 21:00.37 | CBG` | Constitution: since when was anything in bz ever elegant? :P |
| 21:00.40 | Winny | *cough* |
| 21:00.41 | awilcox | basically, turn off your headlights, because there are none Winny :P |
| 21:00.50 | JeffM | the current logo isn't at night |
| 21:01.02 | JeffM | but your shadows are washy |
| 21:01.05 | JeffM | they don't go out to black |
| 21:01.16 | JeffM | I think you'll need to change your ambient light in your render |
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| 21:01.29 | Constitution | CBG`: so maybe it isn't always, but always something to shoot for... this is open-source code, and others will have to look at and understand how it works :) |
| 21:01.47 | CBG` | they will have to try to... ;) |
| 21:02.20 | awilcox | where did they put the time selection? |
| 21:02.46 | awilcox | I thought I read _somewhere_ that you could force it to look like early morn |
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| 21:04.02 | Winny | http://bzfusion.net/bzflag.org/BZTitle6.png I give up ;) |
| 21:06.15 | Constitution | Winny: when you rendered the tanks it looks like your light source was overhead (notice the shadows on the tanks)... now the light source is behind, and not nearly as bright |
| 21:06.28 | Constitution | so you might need to re-render the tanks ;) |
| 21:06.34 | awilcox | Winny: Moon is perfect \o/ |
| 21:07.40 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15921 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (GameKeeper.cxx GameKeeper.h bzfs.cxx): keep a flag to mark players that are parting so we can not send them any network messages that arn't directly from the handler. |
| 21:07.43 | JeffM | Constitution, try that. it shoudl work for every case. |
| 21:08.15 | JeffM | cus you can get that issue even with out using record, try to send the player a server message on part, it'll do the same thing |
| 21:08.52 | JeffM | Winny, heh, makes the tanks look bad, seeing real art behind them :) |
| 21:09.04 | Winny | uh |
| 21:09.12 | Winny | which image are you talking about now? |
| 21:09.13 | JeffM | I mean the crap texture we use |
| 21:09.15 | JeffM | your last one |
| 21:09.26 | JeffM | your stuff looks better then the crap game art we use |
| 21:09.28 | Constitution | JeffM: strangely, doing a bz_sendTextMessage() to all users on a bz_ePlayerPartEvent didn't cause the crash... although I suppose it could happen elsewhere. I'll give it a shot... thanks. |
| 21:10.17 | JeffM | that fix will still let us send message via the handler, but won't for other stuff that may send broadcast or direct messages. |
| 21:10.24 | JeffM | it shoudl get anything not funky |
| 21:10.27 | JeffM | give it a shot |
| 21:10.43 | JeffM | if it's cool let me know so I can do trunk, or you can do trunk if you want. |
| 21:10.46 | CBG` | I sneezed once... that was when I quit bz.. the graphics on my tissue were just so superior... |
| 21:10.50 | Constitution | k |
| 21:10.55 | Winny | JeffM: do you want the PSD to play around with it? its not my idea of fun to sit here and hear 100 things from as many people... You'd probably make it look better anyways |
| 21:11.34 | JeffM | heh, that's what happens when you make art by commitie :) |
| 21:11.46 | JeffM | sure I can look at, but I don't know when I'll ahve time. |
| 21:12.01 | JeffM | awilcox, we don't have responsibilities to give out |
| 21:12.14 | awilcox | JeffM: :/ then what is the logo? |
| 21:12.31 | CBG` | awilcox: the whole project is open source ;) |
| 21:12.36 | JeffM | awilcox, we don't ASIGN responsibilities |
| 21:12.38 | awilcox | I just meant, the responsibility of dealing with the committe. |
| 21:12.41 | JeffM | saturos said he's make one |
| 21:12.47 | JeffM | if he dosn't we'll figure something out |
| 21:12.53 | awilcox | well, true |
| 21:12.59 | JeffM | we just deal with what we get |
| 21:13.00 | Winny | well, I might as well throw mine out then, if satu is making one |
| 21:13.03 | awilcox | Winny: just gimme the PSD already. |
| 21:13.05 | Winny | his are actually good |
| 21:13.07 | JeffM | Winny, I'd not say that |
| 21:13.11 | JeffM | if yours is better |
| 21:13.18 | JeffM | he's just going to change the version number |
| 21:13.23 | JeffM | and it's not bad to have a backup |
| 21:13.30 | JeffM | or maybve a new one for the froums, etc... |
| 21:13.44 | JeffM | I think your design will be a nice change for 2.2 |
| 21:13.49 | JeffM | a very nice cahnge |
| 21:13.55 | JeffM | simiar in style, but updated :) |
| 21:14.20 | Winny | :O |
| 21:14.24 | JeffM | I realy like the moon |
| 21:14.55 | JeffM | and the design was solififying nicely |
| 21:15.01 | JeffM | the steel letters are nice as well |
| 21:15.15 | JeffM | much better then the transperant ones |
| 21:15.15 | whodaman- | what are we talking about? |
| 21:15.24 | JeffM | leting jesus into your heart |
| 21:15.42 | whodaman- | lol |
| 21:15.52 | JeffM | the lord is no laughing matter |
| 21:16.04 | whodaman- | Depends |
| 21:16.05 | CBG` | keep your friends close, your enemies closer |
| 21:16.09 | Winny | rofl |
| 21:16.11 | JeffM | Winny, sure send me the psd if oyu want |
| 21:16.20 | JeffM | my name 2501 at gmail |
| 21:16.28 | CBG` | in the case of your biggest adversary, jeebus, keep him INSIDE YOUR HEART. how much closer can you get!? |
| 21:16.32 | JeffM | I think your allmost there. |
| 21:16.32 | Winny | k |
| 21:16.48 | JeffM | and if your tired of working on it, that's totaly understandable |
| 21:16.56 | JeffM | you've goten it a good start :) |
| 21:17.09 | JeffM | I think at least I'll use it for the froums |
| 21:17.21 | JeffM | and maybe it'll push somone to make better tank textures/UVS for 2.2 :) |
| 21:17.34 | Winny | Im not tired of working on it, I just am tired of doing the "move this 2 inches that way" etc :p |
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| 21:17.47 | JeffM | welcome to being a designer with customers ;) |
| 21:17.59 | tannerld | ~JeffM++ |
| 21:18.06 | awilcox | well you don't HAVE to moon the move ust because I tld you too |
| 21:18.14 | JeffM | remember the fun I went thru with botht he froum theme's and the current website? ) |
| 21:18.15 | awilcox | s/moon the move ust/move the moon just/ |
| 21:18.16 | CBG` | 2 inches is a BIG move on a 500px image. |
| 21:18.28 | Winny | JeffM: indeed :p |
| 21:18.33 | Constitution | JeffM: crash is gone |
| 21:18.35 | JeffM | it's part of the process |
| 21:18.36 | Constitution | ~JeffM++ |
| 21:18.37 | JeffM | Constitution, cool |
| 21:18.46 | Winny | JeffM: sent |
| 21:18.47 | JeffM | you want to apply that to trunk? |
| 21:18.51 | Constitution | sure |
| 21:18.57 | JeffM | my tests have finished and I Have to do real work now |
| 21:18.58 | JeffM | thanks |
| 21:19.03 | Winny | np |
| 21:19.08 | JeffM | Winny, I'll take a look at it when I get home |
| 21:19.12 | Winny | it should open.. was made in CS3 |
| 21:19.14 | JeffM | I donj't actualy have PS at work anymore |
| 21:19.26 | JeffM | I got bumped down to elements. |
| 21:19.30 | Winny | ouch |
| 21:19.35 | Winny | ~elements-- |
| 21:19.39 | JeffM | I don't need full PS for work |
| 21:19.41 | awilcox | oof. |
| 21:19.53 | JeffM | and it's like 90% cheaper |
| 21:20.12 | JeffM | all I do is make 15x9 images that have 4 leters on them :) |
| 21:20.17 | Winny | not if you can get CS3 for free :o |
| 21:20.37 | JeffM | it's VERY dangerous to do that a company |
| 21:20.40 | JeffM | so we don't |
| 21:20.45 | awilcox | Winny: CS3 for free? |
| 21:20.58 | Winny | awilcox: I know someone who works @ adobe |
| 21:21.07 | JeffM | we don't want people to stell our software, so we don't steal it |
| 21:21.13 | JeffM | and yeah we don't have any ins |
| 21:21.18 | awilcox | Winny: ooh lucky you. |
| 21:21.24 | Winny | JeffM: I never said anything about stealing ;) |
| 21:21.27 | JeffM | I know |
| 21:21.28 | whodaman- | JeffM, where do you work? |
| 21:21.36 | JeffM | whodaman-, same place Erroneous does |
| 21:21.45 | whodaman- | JeffM, witch is? |
| 21:21.51 | Winny | ~revive awilcox |
| 21:21.51 | ibot | ACTION performs the Heimlich, mouth-to-mouth, shock treatment and anything else necessary to revive awilcox |
| 21:21.54 | JeffM | a cad/cam company |
| 21:22.05 | awilcox | *cough* *spit* *buzz* |
| 21:22.16 | awilcox | ~lart himself |
| 21:22.16 | ibot | --purges himself |
| 21:24.01 | Winny | awilcox: you can get the educational version for about 300. |
| 21:25.16 | whodaman- | so some people are software designers/developers? |
| 21:25.31 | awilcox | 2 problems. 1) I'm defintely not using it for educational purposes only. 2) I'm not in uni yet :- |
| 21:25.39 | awilcox | s/:-/:-\// |
| 21:25.47 | awilcox | whodaman-: I am |
| 21:26.02 | Winny | awilcox: they allow k-12 |
| 21:26.26 | whodaman- | awilcox, how come you don't get that for free? Isn't it kinda part of work |
| 21:27.05 | awilcox | whodaman-: no. I write code. |
| 21:27.16 | awilcox | like, vim and gcc and nasm and all that good stuff. |
| 21:27.38 | whodaman- | oh. Yea, i don't know what any of that means |
| 21:27.51 | awilcox | ahh. |
| 21:28.06 | awilcox | vim = a text editor geared towards programmers |
| 21:28.22 | awilcox | gcc/nasm = the programs that we use to turn code into .EXE files |
| 21:28.41 | awilcox | X11 = a UNIX graphics environment. basically, I used nothing but the command prompt for days. |
| 21:28.58 | whodaman- | ok, so write all these programs until they look they do on our computers? |
| 21:29.04 | whodaman- | and function the way they do |
| 21:29.24 | awilcox | I write the actual functionality. my UIs, well, they aren't all that great |
| 21:33.51 | Constitution | would an anonymous /say plugin be a good addition to the source code (talking trunk, of course)? seems a lot of people use it, and have to mod their code for it. Theme97 has a nice plugin for it... I could ask him if we could use his, or write up a new one. |
| 21:34.20 | Winny | Constitution: I'd add it |
| 21:35.09 | Constitution | that, or else a command-line option for it |
| 21:36.33 | Winny | IMO, normal say shouldn't have a name after it anyways. You're trying to make it appear that the server said it, anyways. |
| 21:37.35 | JeffM | Constitution, plug-in |
| 21:37.46 | JeffM | let it be abbused :) |
| 21:37.50 | Constitution | [SERVER WARNING]: Your lag is too high [300ms] |
| 21:37.52 | Constitution | oops |
| 21:37.54 | Constitution | /say [SERVER WARNING]: Your lag is too high [300ms] |
| 21:37.57 | Constitution | :) |
| 21:38.06 | JeffM | exactlty |
| 21:38.06 | Constitution | JeffM: okay |
| 21:38.15 | JeffM | it's not a good thing to have in by default IMHO |
| 21:38.20 | JeffM | more of a munchkin thing |
| 21:38.47 | Constitution | you mean it's not something we'd want in the main source code? |
| 21:38.50 | JeffM | I'd even go so far as to say, make the API hook have the ability to set it in the message, but don't even make a plug-in for it |
| 21:38.53 | JeffM | yeah |
| 21:38.58 | JeffM | make them write there own |
| 21:40.03 | JeffM | I think we may also want to look into making a repository of optional plug-ins |
| 21:40.15 | JeffM | stuff that we support, but isn't part of the mainline |
| 21:40.42 | JeffM | stuff like weapon arena, UnrealCTF, the stuff that makes the game way wacky |
| 21:40.58 | Constitution | hmm yeah |
| 21:41.47 | JeffM | sadly the makefile build system dosn't make it as easy to build drop in plugin dirs like VC does |
| 21:44.22 | CBG` | [10:28pm] <awilcox> X11 = a UNIX graphics environment. basically, I used nothing but the command prompt for days. -- same here |
| 21:44.51 | CBG` | because I didn't get a chance to wire my ibook up to the 'net to install anything on my fresh debian base install. :P |
| 21:45.17 | CBG` | so... it's kinda useless right now. I guess I could make ascii art in nano but that's about it |
| 21:47.29 | JeffM | what was the other change you wanted Constitution ? |
| 21:47.44 | Constitution | other change... |
| 21:47.46 | CBG` | wow... sorry for killing the conversation |
| 21:47.54 | JeffM | thought you had 2 bugs/issues |
| 21:47.59 | JeffM | the record thing and something else |
| 21:48.50 | Constitution | oh, a question on one of the patches on SF... |
| 21:48.57 | JeffM | what one? |
| 21:49.20 | Constitution | "Ip to alternate callsigns database" ... http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1770468&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 21:49.58 | JeffM | that sould be a plug-in |
| 21:50.12 | JeffM | the base server should not track across sessions |
| 21:50.36 | JeffM | it's a good idea |
| 21:50.45 | JeffM | I'd implement it as a plug in |
| 21:51.01 | JeffM | cus there may also be other ways people would want to store the data |
| 21:51.04 | JeffM | or difrent logic for it |
| 21:51.09 | JeffM | and moding BZ each time for that is lame |
| 21:51.18 | CBG` | well, speak to Gilly. he's often on IRC - i think. |
| 21:51.50 | JeffM | well the real question is, do you feel like porting it to be a plug in? |
| 21:51.51 | JeffM | if so, do it |
| 21:51.59 | JeffM | if not, then comment, or just leave it |
| 21:52.17 | Constitution | okay, well I was just looking over the patches, and it looked like brlcad was ready to apply it and just hadn't gotten around to it, but I thought it was just a matter of getting a final confirmation |
| 21:52.19 | JeffM | I'd actaly be against it being applied as a baseline patch |
| 21:52.34 | Constitution | I'll just leave it |
| 21:52.38 | JeffM | k |
| 21:53.05 | JeffM | personaly I'd rool it all into a single persistant world plug-in |
| 21:53.18 | JeffM | one that lets you keep your score/spawn pos when you rejoin after a time |
| 21:53.26 | JeffM | and tracks names, based on IPs/ etc |
| 21:53.33 | JeffM | since its' all related |
| 21:53.41 | JeffM | and can all use the same rules for IP -> player matching |
| 21:54.10 | JeffM | ISPs and homes that use NATs will screw up any logic like that |
| 21:55.18 | Constitution | logs are a good way to track names/IPs for the meantime... I know several people who do that |
| 21:56.19 | JeffM | yeah it can be |
| 21:56.28 | JeffM | like I say it's a good idea |
| 21:56.39 | JeffM | I just don't think it's rock solid enough to put in the code |
| 21:56.48 | JeffM | there are too many mods people will want to make to it. |
| 21:56.57 | Constitution | maybe tie it all into your webstats plugin, so admins can open it up in a web browser and see a record of players and their IPs? ;) |
| 21:57.02 | Constitution | hehe |
| 21:58.01 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r15922 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (GameKeeper.cxx GameKeeper.h bzfs.cxx): r15921 from trunk: keep a flag to mark players that are parting so we can not send them any network messages that arn't directly from the handler. |
| 21:58.17 | Constitution | oops... from branch :\ |
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| 22:05.05 | JeffM | yeah it may be a good idea to work it into a player tracker base class that is part of pug-in uitls |
| 22:05.12 | JeffM | so everyone can just get that info if they want |
| 22:05.35 | JeffM | that method so far has seemed to work decently with the HTTP stuff |
| 22:05.54 | JeffM | I added a comment to the patch stating my desires :) |
| 22:07.49 | awilcox | CBG`: But I don't use X11 by choice :) |
| 22:08.19 | CBG` | Can anyone tell me what permission one needs to /(un)load plugins ? |
| 22:10.14 | JeffM | admin |
| 22:10.27 | Constitution | so BAN or SHORTBAN |
| 22:10.37 | JeffM | yeah I think so |
| 22:10.51 | JeffM | it's just died to isAdmin |
| 22:11.51 | CBG` | so anyone with @ should be able to do it? |
| 22:12.02 | JeffM | that's what it looks like |
| 22:12.11 | CBG` | ok thanks |
| 22:12.19 | Erroneous | isAdmin tests the admin bit specifically iirc |
| 22:12.29 | JeffM | thoguht that was isOwner |
| 22:12.38 | Erroneous | ah, perhaps you renamed it |
| 22:13.00 | JeffM | isOperator |
| 22:13.06 | JeffM | that checks serverop |
| 22:13.19 | JeffM | isAdmin checks return isOperator() || hasPerm(ban) || hasPerm(shortBan); |
| 22:13.25 | Erroneous | k |
| 22:13.42 | JeffM | probably should have it check a custom perm for "PLUGINS" |
| 22:13.49 | Erroneous | yup |
| 22:16.26 | JeffM | admin OR the perm?, Operator OR the perm? or just the perm? |
| 22:16.45 | Constitution | operator status for overriding antiperms works pretty well... but what about an OVERRIDE perm, so high-level admins can override antiperms on lower-level admins? useful for when they go NR, and stuff. |
| 22:16.53 | Erroneous | should be able to check just the perm |
| 22:16.59 | Erroneous | since it should be granted to ops by default |
| 22:17.05 | JeffM | it's a custom perm |
| 22:17.13 | Erroneous | ah |
| 22:17.16 | Erroneous | bleh |
| 22:17.21 | JeffM | hmm probalby shoudl make the custom perms return true for ops :) |
| 22:17.25 | Erroneous | yup |
| 22:17.44 | JeffM | ahh. it does |
| 22:17.48 | Erroneous | heh |
| 22:21.34 | JeffM | if CIA would get off it's butt, it's been changed. |
| 22:28.54 | bryjen | i wonder if brlcad got around to fixing the commit hook |
| 22:30.19 | JeffM | he said it was in place |
| 22:30.41 | JeffM | and I had one a while ago |
| 22:31.21 | bryjen | yeah, Constitution did too. and they're on the cia web page. |
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| 22:56.33 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15924 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsPlugins.cxx: change load an unload to check for the PLUGINS perm not just admin status, some admins are stupid ;) |
| 22:56.49 | CIA-24 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r15923 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsPlugins.cxx: change load an unload to check for the PLUGINS perm not just admin status, some admins are stupid ;) |
| 22:56.56 | JeffM | ohh NOW it goes |
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| 22:58.42 | Winny | he finally got off the toliet |
| 22:59.54 | Think_Differentl | Winny, who? |
| 23:00.03 | Winny | CIA |
| 23:01.49 | Think_Differentl | ello, anyone interested in a few 64bit 2.0.10RC1 .debs? |
| 23:04.56 | JeffM | more then one? |
| 23:05.17 | Think_Differentl | no, just one. the server and the client. |
| 23:05.30 | JeffM | ahh |
| 23:05.32 | Think_Differentl | just one release. |
| 23:05.38 | JeffM | built from the tag? or current code? |
| 23:05.49 | Think_Differentl | took the source off of your post. |
| 23:05.53 | JeffM | cool |
| 23:05.58 | JeffM | yeah we should post those |
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| 23:06.19 | Think_Differentl | they seem to install fine on my system. |
| 23:06.53 | JeffM | sure throw them up somewhere, and add an item to the post |
| 23:07.21 | SportChick | ~lart brlcad |
| 23:07.21 | ibot | eats brlcad's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti |
| 23:07.22 | Think_Differentl | I've never really compiled any kind of .deb before. I just ran the script in the root dir /debian |
| 23:07.42 | Think_Differentl | buildsnap |
| 23:08.04 | Constitution | The source code for this patch is already fixed in trunk... okay to close it? http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1668040&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 23:08.16 | JeffM | yeah |
| 23:08.22 | JeffM | if they don't dupe for any reason, just close em |
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| 23:14.16 | CBG` | is there a FlagMaster permission, not documented on http://my.bzflag.org/w/Group_Permissions ? |
| 23:15.11 | Thumper_ | CBG`: yes. for /flag give and /flag take |
| 23:15.37 | CBG` | ooooooook. now it all makes sense. thanks |
| 23:17.02 | CBG` | so, what does flagmod allow you to do, if not flag give or flag take? |
| 23:17.19 | Constitution | /flag reset, /flag up |
| 23:17.31 | Constitution | and maybe others |
| 23:17.55 | Thumper_ | it seems flagMaster implies flagMod |
| 23:20.52 | Thumper_ | CBG`: got it all straight now? |
| 23:21.56 | CBG` | k |
| 23:23.32 | Thumper_ | CBG`: wiki updated |
| 23:24.58 | CBG` | thanks. was gonna do it myself when I got a chance |
| 23:25.09 | CBG` | everything started happening at once today :| |
| 23:25.27 | Thumper_ | ... but nothing finished. hate those days |
| 23:26.07 | CBG` | nah, gettin stuff done one at a time |
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| 23:57.32 | Macrosoft | w00t! gnome 2.20 released! |
| 23:57.57 | Winny | heh |
| 23:59.24 | Macrosoft | time to upgrade |
