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| 00:14.58 | Think_Differentl | ellos :P |
| 00:15.17 | Think_Differentl | just wondering, what was the fastest recorded time for compiling 2.0.9? |
| 00:16.40 | Winny | heh |
| 00:16.47 | Winny | I doubt they keep records |
| 00:17.00 | a_meteorite | Wish I had a cluster with distcc loaded |
| 00:17.17 | Think_Differentl | a_meteorite, NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN |
| 00:17.21 | Think_Differentl | :P |
| 00:26.00 | ShadowSpectre | Gentoo on that distcc |
| 00:26.02 | ShadowSpectre | ? |
| 00:26.23 | Think_Differentl | Gentoo? |
| 00:26.25 | Think_Differentl | eww :p |
| 00:26.29 | ShadowSpectre | gentoo linux |
| 00:26.43 | Think_Differentl | i know what gentoo is :P |
| 00:26.55 | ShadowSpectre | well they do have an integrated distro with distcc |
| 00:27.25 | Think_Differentl | still, it's gentoo. |
| 00:27.28 | brlcad | Think_Differentl: so then what's your time? |
| 00:27.28 | Think_Differentl | <3 apt. |
| 00:27.43 | Think_Differentl | brlcad, real 2m25.444s |
| 00:27.45 | Think_Differentl | user 3m55.947s |
| 00:27.47 | Think_Differentl | sys 0m32.454s |
| 00:27.51 | Think_Differentl | returned from running time make -j 3 |
| 00:28.14 | JeffM | I just did it in a 1:10 |
| 00:28.17 | brlcad | is that opt or unoptimized, with or without plugins, and with all binaries enabled |
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| 00:28.34 | brlcad | i'd think baseline would be unoptimized, with plugins, all binaries |
| 00:28.38 | Think_Differentl | brlcad, no idea :P |
| 00:28.40 | JeffM | sorry 1:05 |
| 00:28.53 | JeffM | ahh that was no plugins |
| 00:29.08 | Think_Differentl | prolly would be unoptomized. |
| 00:29.24 | Think_Differentl | i just ran autogen and configure. |
| 00:29.43 | JeffM | but it was max speed |
| 00:29.47 | JeffM | /O2 |
| 00:30.12 | Think_Differentl | JeffM, what kinda proc you got? |
| 00:30.24 | JeffM | this is a dual core 4800 I think |
| 00:30.33 | JeffM | build was distibuted tho |
| 00:30.35 | Think_Differentl | 64bit? |
| 00:30.37 | JeffM | over 10 cores |
| 00:30.37 | brlcad | yeah, with optimizations make things really harder to compare .. some compilers specifically take as much time as they like in optimization loops |
| 00:30.37 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:30.54 | Think_Differentl | 10 cores? |
| 00:30.56 | Think_Differentl | :O |
| 00:31.03 | JeffM | yeah 10 execution units over the network |
| 00:31.07 | Think_Differentl | ohhh |
| 00:31.08 | Think_Differentl | :p |
| 00:31.16 | JeffM | and.. on windows ;) |
| 00:31.19 | a_meteorite | distcc? |
| 00:31.19 | brlcad | baseline would probably also include either all or no deps |
| 00:31.33 | Think_Differentl | I ran this solely on a Core 2 E6600 @ 2.4Ghz running 64bit ubuntu :P |
| 00:31.59 | Think_Differentl | it was a 2.0.9 svn. |
| 00:32.02 | JeffM | if I had vc8 installed I could test a normal dual core build |
| 00:32.28 | JeffM | we don't build plug-ins as part of the base app build on windows |
| 00:32.42 | JeffM | and i'd have to mofiy the the projects to work with the distributed system anyway |
| 00:32.47 | JeffM | they all have the same GUID :( |
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| 01:21.52 | delusional_ | i did saveworld -o with a drawinfo map, then ran it back through modeltool, no problems |
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| 01:48.51 | keith80403 | BZFlag 2.0.7 - is there info for enabling buttons on the Logitech Precision Gamepad other than using joy2key ? I have the axes working by modifying the config file, but I need buttons to fire, jump, and drop flags. |
| 01:49.06 | keith80403 | ^^^ Correction, version 2.0.8. |
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| 02:11.02 | keith80403 | BZFlag 2.0.8 - is there info for enabling buttons on the Logitech Precision Gamepad other than using joy2key ? I have the axes working by modifying the config file, but I need buttons to fire, jump, and drop flags. |
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| 02:17.36 | blast007 | keith80403: you might have to relaunch the game after configuring the joystick |
| 02:18.08 | blast007 | then you should be able to map buttons in the Change Key Mapping screen |
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| 13:00.22 | hintzy64 | delusional_: i came up with a workaround for the syncTime thing |
| 13:00.36 | hintzy64 | i dunno if you saw my conclusions the other day |
| 13:02.14 | hintzy64 | the integer after the _syncTime variable isn't a switch, it appears to actually set the synced time to that number of seconds past midnight at the prime meridian |
| 13:02.54 | hintzy64 | i'm using the rotate.sh script provided on the bzflag wiki: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Rotating_Maps |
| 13:03.39 | hintzy64 | and added the following two lines before "$BZFSPATH -conf $b": |
| 13:04.46 | hintzy64 | echo -n "set _syncTime " > currenttime |
| 13:04.57 | hintzy64 | date +%s >> currenttime |
| 13:06.14 | hintzy64 | and then in my .conf file, i added "-synctime", "-synclocation", and "-vars /path/to/currenttime" |
| 13:08.22 | hintzy64 | so what that does is set _syncTime to the number of seconds since 00:00:00 GMT on 1/1/1970 |
| 13:10.06 | hintzy64 | i tested it last night and it drew the moon in the correct location at the correct phase (as confirmed by kstars and by looking out my window) |
| 13:11.12 | hintzy64 | the downside is that, since my server resets every hour, its only accurate within an hour |
| 13:11.47 | hintzy64 | the celestial objects aren't moving, they're staying at the "currenttime" that i input |
| 13:12.07 | hintzy64 | so somehow i need to update syncTime every second |
| 13:12.24 | hintzy64 | but hell, its definitely getting closer :-p |
| 13:14.19 | hintzy64 | one other note, the sign convention for longitude is opposite what i am used to from the aerospace industry |
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| 13:14.31 | hintzy64 | in bzfs, positive is west longitude and negative is east |
| 13:14.52 | hintzy64 | in my work, east is positive b/c it makes a right-handed coordinate system :-p |
| 13:15.30 | hintzy64 | so give that a try, let me know if you have any ideas/improvements |
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| 18:20.01 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03blast007 * r16008 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzflag/CommandsImplementation.cxx: 'send' is only for observers |
| 18:24.48 | JeffM | branch? |
| 18:25.19 | JeffM | was it causing a crash? |
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| 19:32.49 | blast007 | JeffM: you get my PM? |
| 19:36.12 | JeffM | yeah |
| 19:36.15 | JeffM | I understand now |
| 19:36.26 | blast007 | k |
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| 19:55.49 | fooba | are there any websites that discuss improving one's gameplay? |
| 19:56.05 | Winny | playing? ;) |
| 19:56.13 | fooba | I tried that |
| 19:56.16 | fooba | didn't work ;P |
| 19:56.23 | Winny | :P |
| 19:56.23 | JeffM | play more |
| 19:56.33 | fooba | I'm pretty good at dodging now, but my aim sucks |
| 19:56.39 | fooba | I can't even blow a still tank :) |
| 19:56.43 | JeffM | there is the " Help: Tactics and Playstyles" fourm |
| 19:57.12 | fooba | let me check that |
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| 20:03.18 | fooba | how long does it take to become competent in bzflag? |
| 20:03.33 | JeffM | it's not realy quantifyable like that |
| 20:03.36 | fooba | currently I stop playing after I hit -100 :) |
| 20:03.55 | fooba | JeffM, hmm? |
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| 20:04.10 | JeffM | every person is diferent |
| 20:04.14 | JeffM | some get it |
| 20:04.16 | JeffM | some don't |
| 20:04.21 | brlcad | about 6.2 days |
| 20:04.30 | Tupone | hola brlcad |
| 20:04.30 | blast007 | s/days/years/ |
| 20:04.34 | brlcad | ciao Tupone |
| 20:04.40 | Tupone | s/years/century/ |
| 20:04.50 | brlcad | blast007: proficient at navigating the menus ;) |
| 20:05.02 | blast007 | heh |
| 20:09.07 | fooba | some people use multiple keys to fire, is that advisable? |
| 20:09.33 | JeffM | depends on what is most comforatble for you |
| 20:09.33 | ts | fooba: One can be playing decent after 6 months and hard work |
| 20:09.38 | a_meteorite | fooba: for shooting quickly, yeah |
| 20:09.45 | fooba | I tried using the scroll wheel, but its fire was too tightly spaced to be of any use |
| 20:09.49 | a_meteorite | it works for me and others |
| 20:09.55 | JeffM | but shooting fast isn't always what you need to do |
| 20:10.03 | fooba | ts: 6 month?! dammit |
| 20:10.04 | JeffM | in some cases it's more like billiards |
| 20:10.06 | a_meteorite | JeffM: but shooting close is |
| 20:10.31 | ts | JeffM: One shots lots of bullets, but speed is controlled by tank direction ;) |
| 20:10.32 | a_meteorite | depending of course on your aim and the style of play |
| 20:10.39 | fooba | a_meteorite, why can't you achieve the same result with one key? |
| 20:10.50 | JeffM | aim is more important then pray and spray ;) |
| 20:10.51 | Chestal | fooba: one simple hint is to always drive forward when shooting, because the tank speed will add to the shot speed |
| 20:11.08 | a_meteorite | JeffM: a good aim and close shots are deadly, impossible to dodge. |
| 20:11.14 | a_meteorite | if you're not that far away |
| 20:11.22 | fooba | Chestal, interesting, thanks |
| 20:11.35 | a_meteorite | fooba: dunno, but my score always thanks my multiple shot keys :) |
| 20:11.41 | ts | a_meteorite: Only with much shots |
| 20:11.42 | fooba | :) |
| 20:11.54 | ts | otherwise the situation can be avoided |
| 20:11.59 | a_meteorite | it's just harder to repeat a single button I guess, easier to line up 2-3 fingers |
| 20:12.11 | a_meteorite | ts: not at all, it works great with 3 shot |
| 20:12.27 | a_meteorite | on GU even |
| 20:12.39 | ts | hehe, but I'll kill you sooner ;) |
| 20:12.46 | a_meteorite | cause you're inherently better |
| 20:12.56 | a_meteorite | but I can kill more baddies with two shot buttons than with one |
| 20:12.59 | ts | however at viper I'm bad :/ |
| 20:16.06 | ts | fooba: Best idea is to use a biiiig radar and looooong shot trails |
| 20:17.04 | fooba | ts, I found long shot trails distracting, but I haven't tried changing the radar size |
| 20:17.51 | a_meteorite | that is good |
| 20:17.57 | ts | fooba: yeah, they are unusual at the beginning but in the long term they'll give a big score increase |
| 20:17.58 | a_meteorite | and use leading shot trails |
| 20:18.01 | a_meteorite | not lagging |
| 20:18.08 | a_meteorite | you'll get used to it in a week or so |
| 20:18.26 | fooba | what's the difference between leading and lagging? |
| 20:18.31 | a_meteorite | you may even want to amp the shot trails up to more than what the menu will let you (via the config) |
| 20:18.36 | a_meteorite | shot trail stats before the shot |
| 20:18.37 | ts | regarding tactics you need to anticipate the opponent movements |
| 20:18.45 | a_meteorite | it's good, gives you time to react |
| 20:21.08 | fooba | my reactions are fairly good this far, my main concern is with aiming |
| 20:21.18 | fooba | one could only dodge so many bullets before getting hit :) |
| 20:21.38 | ts | You need to understand the angles of ricos, it's math |
| 20:22.27 | blast007 | fooba: another thing I do sometimes is shoot at someone so they jump, then kill them on the drop |
| 20:22.32 | fooba | I'm playing on dub.bzflag.org, it's a no flags, no jumping, no rico server |
| 20:22.49 | fooba | I thought that would get me more familiar with the basics quickly |
| 20:22.51 | hintzy64 | fooba: i frequently turn left/right some while shooting to make a fan |
| 20:23.09 | hintzy64 | my aim isnt so great either |
| 20:23.22 | Chestal | fooba: pillbox map? not bad for practice, maybe a bit too full |
| 20:23.34 | hintzy64 | but with rico, i can corner someone and barrage them |
| 20:23.45 | fooba | Chestal, yeah, you were there lately, kicking my ass fyi =) |
| 20:24.17 | hintzy64 | my coworkers and i like to practice playing ricochet-ONLY |
| 20:24.50 | fooba | riochet only? like professional billiards? |
| 20:25.15 | hintzy64 | yeah |
| 20:25.28 | hintzy64 | it's good for improving aim, and helping you kill from around corners |
| 20:25.47 | hintzy64 | but i have to make my server non-public for us to have time to do it :-p |
| 20:25.56 | Chestal | fooba: it is also important to know the general level of lag (/lagstats) |
| 20:26.06 | hintzy64 | ah, good point |
| 20:26.38 | fooba | my lag is ~100ms, is that too bad? |
| 20:27.00 | fooba | I'm distant from most servers, can't do anything about that I guess... |
| 20:27.24 | Chestal | 100ms is ok, but already noticable |
| 20:30.27 | fooba | ok, I'll read the forums and give it another shot |
| 20:30.32 | fooba | thanks everybody |
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| 20:49.00 | blast007 | hah, nice, 160ms ping from my xlhost server to the mofo server ;) |
| 20:49.13 | blast007 | er, I mean, 0.160 |
| 20:49.23 | Manu | lagger :p |
| 20:49.45 | blast007 | :P |
| 20:49.57 | Manu | you mean 0.160 ms I guess right? |
| 20:50.02 | blast007 | yeah |
| 20:50.13 | Tupone | on the same host? |
| 20:50.16 | blast007 | nope |
| 20:50.20 | blast007 | same datacenter though |
| 20:50.21 | Manu | you can be kicked because too low lag.. I'l implement it ;) |
| 20:50.22 | KTL | same street? |
| 20:50.27 | KTL | lol |
| 20:51.16 | ts | Manu: Noooo! |
| 20:51.57 | Manu | ts, players with lower lag has advantage :) |
| 20:52.12 | Manu | have* |
| 20:52.30 | KTL | manu ... then you could implement extra lag :) let fast packets wait some ms :) |
| 20:53.14 | ts | Manu: Right, I deserver as much advantages as possible. |
| 20:53.17 | KTL | if a players score goes up you increase his virtual lag :) |
| 20:53.25 | Manu | KTL, the server can introduce a delay to compansate the lag to those low lag players ;) |
| 20:53.47 | ts | Wasn't there a lag flag sometime implemented? |
| 20:53.58 | Tupone | It has been removed |
| 20:54.08 | ts | Why? |
| 20:54.16 | Manu | because laggy.. lol |
| 20:54.28 | ts | Well, it sounds funny |
| 20:54.37 | Manu | I guess may be problematic :) |
| 20:54.39 | Tupone | because we don't need it, Players are laggy without it, except blast007 |
| 20:55.07 | Manu | we can implement the [nr] flag :) |
| 20:55.44 | Manu | if you pick up it, you goes NR untill you drop it :) |
| 20:57.03 | JeffM | if you want a flag to make people drive erratic, then make an erratic flag |
| 20:57.25 | JeffM | but the biggest reason was, irrc it make you harder to kill |
| 20:57.31 | JeffM | since lag affects states |
| 20:57.55 | Manu | not exactly it, JeffM. Erratic for the rest of the players.. you still can move and when drop the flag.. all can see you in your new position :) |
| 20:58.14 | Manu | as nr does actually :) |
| 20:58.19 | JeffM | well then figure out what you want the flag to do, make the users input have a delay |
| 20:58.26 | JeffM | then do that, |
| 20:58.30 | JeffM | but don't affect network packets |
| 20:58.52 | Manu | JeffM: we aren't playing seriously ;) |
| 20:59.11 | Manu | we aren't talking* |
| 20:59.21 | Manu | :) |
| 20:59.25 | JeffM | I'm just saying for ts for the lag flag and how it was removed |
| 20:59.26 | blast007 | we need a cow launcher |
| 20:59.36 | JeffM | if you want a lag flag, then fine, just make it be a client lag |
| 20:59.46 | Manu | lag flag is a silly thing :) |
| 20:59.47 | JeffM | be realy hard to check on the server |
| 20:59.49 | JeffM | it is |
| 21:00.18 | JeffM | I think the server should just be able to apply random forces to the tank |
| 21:00.26 | JeffM | so every so often we can make everyone turn left :) |
| 21:00.34 | Tupone | no good news from a_meteorite/legolas or winny I guess :/ |
| 21:01.03 | JeffM | winny was trying to dupe the prolblem in the logging version last I heard |
| 21:01.06 | Manu | JeffM: we can add gravity to the map objects :) |
| 21:01.10 | Tupone | Next week I'll go abroad again, without a release |
| 21:01.14 | Tupone | :( |
| 21:01.25 | Tupone | But I think we should wait for those |
| 21:01.35 | JeffM | Tupone, I'd like to get an RC3 out thrusday |
| 21:01.58 | ts | Manu: Is server crash fixed or did you just remove thief flag? |
| 21:01.58 | Tupone | what was added? Maybe only server changes? |
| 21:02.02 | JeffM | and if we dn't hear anything from them more, by next week, and we have reports of others on those same platforms working. I'm inclinded to do a final by next weekend. |
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| 21:02.17 | Manu | ts, yep |
| 21:02.31 | ts | Manu: Yep to what? ;) |
| 21:02.44 | Manu | ts: and if not.. now we are running the server with debug enabled |
| 21:02.52 | ts | Workaround? |
| 21:02.56 | JeffM | Tupone, I bleive only some very small server fixes to prevent a bug or 2 that was found in testing. |
| 21:03.04 | Manu | ts, no more hangs since the last update |
| 21:03.26 | Manu | ts: work around was to remove the TH flag ;) |
| 21:04.10 | Tupone | I saw some bt pointing to SquareAndAdd but wasn't a debug build, and not here, only saw |
| 21:04.21 | ts | Manu: Is thief flag now removed? Yes or no? |
| 21:04.30 | Manu | ts: nope, no needed |
| 21:04.56 | Manu | Tupone: you talk about viper? |
| 21:05.12 | Tupone | maybe. It was it ? |
| 21:05.17 | Manu | yes |
| 21:05.25 | Manu | well, now we are ready to debug it ;) |
| 21:05.42 | Tupone | did you compile like I told? |
| 21:05.42 | ts | JeffM: Some Mac testers for UB may be nice, to prevent possible problems at release |
| 21:05.57 | Manu | Tupone: yes, Pimpi did it |
| 21:06.06 | ts | There wasn't a release candidate for Macs yet |
| 21:06.28 | Tupone | nope, brlcad need some loving care to push for it :) |
| 21:06.36 | Winny | someone ping me when const show up, please |
| 21:06.39 | Manu | heh |
| 21:07.42 | Manu | Tupone: now I'll discover why an autralian player is able to hang the server when he connects (before the ban is cheched) |
| 21:08.23 | Tupone | now /= I'll :) |
| 21:08.50 | Manu | I mean now I'm ready to do it ;) |
| 21:08.56 | Tupone | iptables :) |
| 21:09.14 | Manu | yes, he is iptables filtered :) |
| 21:09.29 | Manu | but he changed his ISP |
| 21:09.51 | Manu | also happens with an African player, but not so frecuent |
| 21:09.58 | ts | Manu: Maybe he wants to play at viper :p |
| 21:10.31 | Manu | he can't :( is to connect and the server pass away |
| 21:11.11 | Manu | and in other servers no hang :/ |
| 21:14.02 | Pimpi_ | yes, it's amazing. It seems those players manage to kill viper, only viper, no other server |
| 21:14.17 | Manu | hallo Pimpi_ :) |
| 21:14.49 | Pimpi_ | originally i thought it might be a libcurl problem, since i'm probably the only one to link it statically |
| 21:14.59 | Pimpi_ | hi Manu :) |
| 21:15.18 | Manu | Pimpi_: why statically? |
| 21:15.44 | Pimpi_ | was easier |
| 21:16.03 | Pimpi_ | i had to do my own libcurl build to include ares |
| 21:16.14 | Manu | ah |
| 21:16.35 | Manu | I remember now :) |
| 21:17.03 | Pimpi_ | but that player would hang also dub, he doesn't though |
| 21:17.28 | Manu | Pimpi_: he never joined dub I guess |
| 21:17.47 | Pimpi_ | he did, i asked him to |
| 21:18.09 | Manu | wow, he never responded to me :/ |
| 21:18.33 | Manu | you mean the player "Dont kill me"? |
| 21:18.37 | Pimpi_ | it was quite a while ago |
| 21:19.09 | Pimpi_ | no, another one, can't remember though |
| 21:19.16 | Manu | rukus? |
| 21:19.25 | Pimpi_ | i have to search for the name |
| 21:19.31 | Pimpi_ | not either |
| 21:19.43 | Manu | the main problem was the player "Dont kill me" |
| 21:19.51 | Manu | instant hang |
| 21:19.57 | Pimpi_ | there was one before |
| 21:20.04 | Pimpi_ | same problem |
| 21:20.41 | Manu | are you using an updated curl? some bug were fixed |
| 21:22.02 | Pimpi_ | not in quite a while |
| 21:22.51 | Pimpi_ | hmm, wife...later... |
| 21:23.42 | Manu | Pimpi_: she rules ;) |
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| 21:24.55 | Tupone | ping Winny |
| 21:25.02 | Winny | yay |
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| 21:25.25 | Tupone | you asked, you get |
| 21:25.33 | Manu | heh |
| 21:25.40 | Manu | the most wanted arrived :) |
| 21:38.01 | Thumper_ | I haven't noticed any server issues since the fix for the Thief check. |
| 21:40.18 | Manu | Thumper_: yes, it looks pretty stable now :) |
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| 21:52.51 | L4m3r | iConstipated? |
| 21:53.00 | a_meteorite | lol! |
| 21:53.00 | L4m3r | from shoving an iPod up your ass? |
| 21:53.20 | a_meteorite | iTouch the iConst |
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| 21:54.49 | Winny | He's testing iPod touch web iRC :) |
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| 22:06.04 | Epyon | :P |
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| 22:52.44 | JeffM | brlcad, can you post some form of universal build? |
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