| 00:00.22 | JeffM | how do I add a bunch of flags? |
| 00:00.44 | blast007 | +f good{2} |
| 00:01.00 | bryjen | changing the tangible test from != to == in isValidLanding gets the flags back up, but the tank still falls through |
| 00:01.13 | JeffM | yeah that's what I think is wrong |
| 00:01.22 | JeffM | the tests are backwards in one or more cases |
| 00:01.27 | JeffM | I am testing now |
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| 00:03.40 | donny_baker | blast007: 2 is lots? :P |
| 00:03.47 | JeffM | 2 of each god |
| 00:03.49 | JeffM | good |
| 00:03.53 | donny_baker | ah |
| 00:04.10 | blast007 | ;) |
| 00:04.10 | donny_baker | displaying my awsome server skills :) |
| 00:04.19 | donny_baker | that's why i hire out |
| 00:04.24 | blast007 | it's fun with +f good{50} |
| 00:04.38 | blast007 | usually can't connect ;) |
| 00:06.08 | JeffM | bahh I have to get a new tree |
| 00:06.23 | JeffM | this one has hit surface stuff in it |
| 00:08.17 | JeffM | but I do concur with bryjen the test on the server is backwards, I have to find out why, cus it does just return isDriveThrough, and that should be 0 for every object |
| 00:09.58 | bryjen | here's the world i'm working with: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=34570#34570 |
| 00:10.29 | JeffM | have you tried a random world? |
| 00:10.33 | bryjen | the team bases are soild. most of the rest of it's meshes, which _should_ be soild, but aren't |
| 00:10.40 | JeffM | hmm |
| 00:10.45 | JeffM | maybe I just got an init wrong then |
| 00:11.11 | JeffM | cus I changed it to a full byte instead of a bool |
| 00:11.19 | JeffM | so we could have team based drive and shoot thru |
| 00:11.59 | JeffM | there are only 4 faces that are drivethru |
| 00:15.24 | bryjen | in a random world, just plain old boxes and pyrs, those objects are soild.... not seeing any flags inside them either... |
| 00:15.32 | JeffM | k' |
| 00:16.16 | JeffM | I think I see one part of the problem |
| 00:16.22 | JeffM | some stuff is still bools |
| 00:19.33 | JeffM | does it appear inside meshes that may have angled tops? |
| 00:20.27 | bryjen | donno |
| 00:22.50 | bryjen | hrm. i've also got a boxes-and-pyrs world file that has some drivethrough boxes that aren't behaving that way :( |
| 00:23.06 | JeffM | I just mean flags now |
| 00:23.12 | JeffM | the client I haven't looked at yet |
| 00:23.18 | JeffM | and I think I know why they aren't going |
| 00:23.23 | JeffM | 0xFF != 1 |
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| 00:34.58 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16031 10/trunk/bzflag/ (20 files in 3 dirs): make all the drive thru and shoot thru variables be of the same type, and be inited to proper values. |
| 00:38.29 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16032 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ (Player.cxx World.cxx): when checking for collisions check for the object to have a 0 tangibility if it's solid |
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| 00:50.22 | JeffM | I don't have ftgl here to test the client out tho |
| 00:52.38 | blast007 | anyone want to try these out? http://beta.bzflag.bz/builds/2.0.x/Debian/ |
| 00:54.16 | blast007 | that's a build from Etch |
| 00:55.25 | bryjen | still no good on camelot. tank and flags are below "ground" mesh |
| 00:55.38 | JeffM | hmm |
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| 02:14.13 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16033 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/include/BzfMedia.h: needs to be virtual so we can override it |
| 02:14.50 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16034 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx: use DEFAULT_MEDIA_DIR instead of just 'data' even if they're the same |
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| 02:23.39 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16035 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/platform/ (SDLMedia.cxx SDLMedia.h): Mac predominantly uses SDL interface now, so need to do the same search into the .app bundle's resource folder regardless of the setting (when the settin will fail) if we're running from within. |
| 02:25.06 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16036 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/MacMedia.cxx: logic unbroken |
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| 03:08.47 | a_temp_dist | Hi, I'm trying to apply trepan's autohunt_bz2.0.9_v3.0.diff patch to the 2.0_branch from SVN - I think I have all of the "failed" patches fixed, but now I get this error at a couple lines in the same file during the build |
| 03:08.48 | a_temp_dist | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:09.16 | a_temp_dist | would anyone know what my next step to get past that would be? |
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| 03:23.30 | blast007 | JeffM: I have a new version of my OpenALFramework :) |
| 03:25.39 | JeffM | cool |
| 03:25.41 | JeffM | it working better? |
| 03:26.35 | blast007 | yeah |
| 03:27.04 | blast007 | added a function that will play a sound at a certain position |
| 03:27.11 | JeffM | coo |
| 03:27.15 | blast007 | loads the sound files as requested |
| 03:27.25 | blast007 | probably hackish the way I did it |
| 03:29.25 | blast007 | http://static.bzexcess.com/OpenALFramework/OpenALFramework.cxx |
| 03:30.15 | blast007 | NUM_SOURCES is set low so it's easy to fill the unused sources |
| 03:30.40 | blast007 | the IJKL keys move the red cube source around |
| 03:35.14 | blast007 | a_temp_dist: the DEBUG* defines were probably removed |
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| 03:35.37 | blast007 | do a search for 'debug' and see what they were replaced with |
| 03:36.31 | a_temp_dist | search AutoHunt.cxx ? |
| 03:36.42 | blast007 | no, other files |
| 03:36.45 | blast007 | let me check quick |
| 03:36.48 | a_temp_dist | oh, ok thx |
| 03:37.52 | blast007 | swap DEBUG3( with logDebugMessage(3, |
| 03:37.54 | blast007 | and see if that works |
| 03:38.12 | a_temp_dist | alrighty |
| 03:39.26 | blast007 | isn't autohunt already in the client? |
| 03:40.04 | a_temp_dist | just in 2.1 - not the 2.0_branch |
| 03:40.29 | blast007 | ah |
| 03:51.24 | a_temp_dist | blast007 the build made it through that bit, but died later - so I'm going to bag it for now - thx for the help |
| 03:51.34 | blast007 | k |
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| 04:18.06 | Constitution | BZBB admins: double post at http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=115804#115804 |
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| 12:58.18 | agg | salve |
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| 12:59.01 | agg | i'd like to join the bzflag-thing. good tutorials? |
| 13:01.50 | ruskie | erm -thing? |
| 13:01.57 | ruskie | which thing specificaly |
| 13:03.36 | agg | just bzflag gaming, all sorts |
| 13:04.41 | ruskie | and you read the stuff on the website yet? |
| 13:05.05 | agg | it must be a hell of fun, isn't it? but i guess i have to learn by gaming |
| 13:05.15 | ruskie | that's the general idea... |
| 13:05.22 | ruskie | I recommend reading the built in help atleast... |
| 13:05.24 | ruskie | before playing |
| 13:05.54 | agg | ruskie: i'm scanning trough it |
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| 13:55.05 | whodaman- | ruskie, the n00bs ;) |
| 13:57.40 | ruskie | ??? |
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| 16:21.31 | CIA-25 | libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r241 10/trunk/libirc/ (19 files in 2 dirs): 2004 -> 2007 |
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| 16:44.45 | Tedius | would a server with a blatant cheater that has local.admin be considered a cheat server? |
| 16:45.36 | JeffM | all we can realy do is prevent them from advertising it's a cheat server |
| 16:45.42 | JeffM | they can run there own stuff how they want |
| 16:46.29 | Tedius | ok, you can't take it off the list or anything like that |
| 16:46.43 | JeffM | if we did that, then we'd be telling people how to run there servers |
| 16:47.04 | JeffM | all we can do is prevent them from using us to publish data we don't want |
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| 17:20.11 | CIA-25 | libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r242 10/trunk/libirc/ (include/IRCServer.h src/IRCServer.cpp): |
| 17:20.13 | CIA-25 | libirc: make server client records be virtual so derived classes can create their own. |
| 17:20.15 | CIA-25 | libirc: stub out virtual channel classes. |
| 17:20.17 | CIA-25 | libirc: free any user classes we make when we disconnect. |
| 17:20.19 | CIA-25 | libirc: disconnect on destruction |
| 17:20.21 | CIA-25 | libirc: clean up some searches and typedefs for ease of use. |
| 17:20.41 | purple_cow | hah, libirc |
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| 18:00.00 | JeffM | I'm going to put an IRC server in my RC airplane |
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| 18:32.52 | JeffM | for libIRC |
| 18:33.00 | JeffM | brlcad, you have an opinion on it? |
| 18:36.01 | Erroneous | seems like you just put it back not too long ago |
| 18:38.02 | JeffM | it left cus IIRC all of CIA for it was busted when he went to SVN before then |
| 18:40.41 | CIA-25 | libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r243 10/trunk/libirc/HACKING: mention the real IRC channel for the project now instead of #bzflag |
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| 18:46.14 | CIA-25 | libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r244 10/trunk/libirc/ (22 files in 2 dirs): |
| 18:46.14 | CIA-25 | libirc: whitespace |
| 18:46.14 | CIA-25 | libirc: free any allocated channel records when we disconnect |
| 18:46.25 | CIA-25 | libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r245 10/trunk/libirc/examples/stupidBot/src/stupidBot.cpp: log part and join events |
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| 18:48.18 | CIA-25 | libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r246 10/trunk/libirc/src/IRCClient.cpp: more whitespace |
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| 19:01.10 | Guest83 | hello, all! |
| 19:01.27 | Guest83 | anyone around? |
| 19:02.11 | Winny | nope |
| 19:02.39 | Winny | ROFL |
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| 19:36.56 | MinuteElectron | Good evening, I have just installed BZflag on Windows, however the speed is unbareable. Is there anything I can do to make it run faster (I was even having trouble changing the settings). |
| 19:37.28 | Winny | Well, make sure you have the latest drivers for your GFX card |
| 19:37.44 | MinuteElectron | Oh, good point. That would help :P |
| 19:37.58 | Winny | and, you do need a 1.2 decent video card in the first place (although it does run on a intel GMA 950 wuite well) |
| 19:38.01 | Winny | 1/2* |
| 19:38.39 | MinuteElectron | I usually install them when I first install my PC - although this time I blanked it I haven't installed Battlefield which is the only thing I have that needs drivers. Thanks for the hints. |
| 19:39.16 | MinuteElectron | I have a GeForce FX 5200 - it is reasonably old and I usually have the mick taken out of me for it (but it works fine for me). |
| 19:39.49 | Winny | that'll run it no problem -- with the correct drievrs |
| 19:40.02 | MinuteElectron | Cool, I'll install them right now :) |
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| 20:31.27 | CIA-25 | libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r247 10/trunk/libirc/ (9 files in 2 dirs): make event data structures all be called client data structures so they don't conflict with server event data. |
| 20:32.18 | CIA-25 | libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r248 10/trunk/libirc/examples/stupidBot/src/stupidBot.cpp: update to new spellings/names |
| 20:35.31 | CIA-25 | libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r249 10/trunk/libirc/examples/spamBot/src/spamBot.cpp: update to new spellings/names |
| 20:37.50 | CIA-25 | libirc: 03JeffM2501 * r250 10/trunk/libirc/examples/simpleIRCConnect/vc7.1/simpleIRCConnect.vcproj: build multi-threaded, and link the run-times dynamically. |
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| 20:56.41 | AWOSLappy | Hi. I'm building BZFlag 2.2 SVN for the first time, and I am running the "autogen.sh" script right now. It doesn't seem to be do anything, and there is no disk activity, but I see a program named "m4" using 37.6% CPU. Is this the autogen.sh program? |
| 20:57.15 | ruskie | m4 is the m4 macro language interpreter |
| 20:57.26 | JeffM | so yeah it's autogening |
| 20:57.34 | ruskie | it parses a ton of m4 scripts and then outputs a configure script |
| 20:57.52 | AWOSLappy | Ahh, okay. |
| 20:57.59 | JeffM | the .sh just calls automake and autoconf |
| 20:58.18 | JeffM | they in turn read the .am files to generate the files you need |
| 20:58.40 | jorgenpt | AWOSLappy: ps auxfw, and you'll see forest structure :-) |
| 20:58.43 | AWOSLappy | The last time I did this, which was admittedly almost a year ago, I was sure you already had a configure script. what happened to that build sys? :) |
| 20:58.54 | jorgenpt | AWOSLappy: THen you can see that autogen.sh calls autoconf that calls m4, or something. |
| 20:59.10 | AWOSLappy | wows |
| 20:59.25 | jorgenpt | And now, good night. |
| 20:59.45 | AWOSLappy | login -> bash -> startx -> xinit -> X -> xterm -> bash -> fvwm -> xterm -> bash -> screen -> SCREEN -> bash -> irssi |
| 20:59.51 | AWOSLappy | jorgenpt: Goodngiht. |
| 20:59.53 | AWOSLappy | *night |
| 21:00.31 | AWOSLappy | But no, I don't see those. |
| 21:00.39 | AWOSLappy | probably because it just finished :) |
| 21:00.40 | ruskie | hmm last I checked bzflag never provided a configure script(in the time I was using it...) always had to generate it using autogen |
| 21:01.12 | JeffM | that is how your suposed to do it |
| 21:01.27 | ruskie | and I don't really mind it that way |
| 21:01.28 | AWOSLappy | 2.1.16? wow we came up in the revisions since I did this. |
| 21:01.34 | bryjen | from cvs/svn it doesn't. the source tarball may. |
| 21:01.42 | ruskie | bryjen, doesn't :) |
| 21:01.53 | JeffM | I belive it should |
| 21:01.56 | AWOSLappy | ruskie: here on this old Celeron/1600, autotools are just another thing to "waste" CPU cycles :P |
| 21:02.01 | JeffM | the ones done with make dist |
| 21:02.15 | ruskie | not in 2.0.x |
| 21:02.15 | JeffM | AWOSLappy, we bump revision when we change proto |
| 21:02.20 | JeffM | then that is a bug |
| 21:02.45 | AWOSLappy | Ahh. |
| 21:02.49 | ruskie | the spell uses plain vanilla official bzflag source from the site with no patches and it always calls autogen.sh... be it svn or source tarball |
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| 21:03.07 | AWOSLappy | Hmm, "Could not find an appropriate SDL version. Configuring without SDL." Will the thing even *run* without SDL? |
| 21:03.12 | JeffM | what do you mean "it" |
| 21:03.20 | JeffM | autogen is run manualy |
| 21:03.30 | JeffM | AWOSLappy, techincaly yes |
| 21:04.08 | ruskie | JeffM, yeah(spell == ebuild/deb/call it whatever you prefer) in source mage |
| 21:04.20 | JeffM | ohhhh yeah those |
| 21:04.26 | JeffM | those are not the tarballs but the packages |
| 21:04.36 | ruskie | the spell dls the official tarball |
| 21:04.37 | ruskie | unpacks it |
| 21:04.41 | AWOSLappy | <3 ebuild |
| 21:04.43 | ruskie | runs everything to build it and install it |
| 21:04.52 | ruskie | from source |
| 21:04.53 | JeffM | well that tarball should have a config in it |
| 21:05.27 | JeffM | dosn't hurt to reubild it tho, just in case |
| 21:05.27 | JeffM | probably why they do that, just in case |
| 21:05.29 | ruskie | I'm the maintainer of games in source mage :) |
| 21:05.33 | ruskie | I never run anything just in case :) |
| 21:05.45 | bryjen | or so you thought ;) |
| 21:05.51 | JeffM | check the tarball then, I belive it is suposed to have a config |
| 21:05.58 | JeffM | as they are built from makedist |
| 21:05.59 | AWOSLappy | Do I need all the SDL builds, or just specific ones? |
| 21:06.11 | JeffM | AWOSLappy, think about it |
| 21:06.20 | JeffM | you need sdl dev |
| 21:06.39 | AWOSLappy | tuxlappy /usr/portage/media-libs $ ls sdl-* sdl-flic sdl-gfx sdl-gui sdl-image sdl-mixer sdl-net sdl-pango sdl-sound sdl-terminal sdl-ttf |
| 21:06.42 | JeffM | what distro are you on? |
| 21:06.51 | ruskie | isn't it obvious :) |
| 21:06.52 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: Gentoo Linux 2007 |
| 21:06.53 | JeffM | those are not "builds" of sdl |
| 21:07.02 | AWOSLappy | they are ebuilds. |
| 21:07.13 | JeffM | they are difrent packages that all start with sdl |
| 21:07.23 | JeffM | they are not all the same thing |
| 21:07.28 | AWOSLappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.29 | JeffM | mixer is a sound libary |
| 21:07.35 | ruskie | doesn't gentoo have a search type thingy? |
| 21:07.37 | JeffM | you need the core |
| 21:07.42 | JeffM | the core dev package |
| 21:07.50 | AWOSLappy | JeffM: Yeah, I've done a few little apps with SDL, I know what the things are |
| 21:07.53 | AWOSLappy | hmm |
| 21:07.56 | AWOSLappy | I see "sdlmm" |
| 21:07.57 | ruskie | AWOSLappy, try sdl ol SDL |
| 21:08.13 | ruskie | shouldn't have anything else |
| 21:08.14 | JeffM | then you'll know that most of those are not part of SDL, but other libs writen in the same style ;) |
| 21:08.50 | AWOSLappy | "libsdl" |
| 21:08.50 | AWOSLappy | ? |
| 21:08.52 | ruskie | yup |
| 21:09.21 | AWOSLappy | I suppose I should USE="curl" :P |
| 21:09.43 | ruskie | hmm ow the 2.0.8 does indeed have a configure |
| 21:10.32 | AWOSLappy | USE="alsa X -arts opengl" emerge -vp libsdl |
| 21:10.36 | AWOSLappy | er |
| 21:10.42 | ruskie | :) |
| 21:10.44 | ruskie | complicated |
| 21:10.48 | AWOSLappy | hehe :) |
| 21:10.56 | ruskie | cast sdl -> answer a few questions and let it run |
| 21:11.32 | AWOSLappy | ruskie: what distro do you use? |
| 21:11.34 | ruskie | source mage |
| 21:11.44 | AWOSLappy | ahh. |
| 21:11.51 | JeffM | curl is required |
| 21:12.07 | ruskie | I doubt that it is requred in sdl... |
| 21:12.13 | AWOSLappy | well, not in SDL |
| 21:12.18 | JeffM | bz needs curl |
| 21:12.27 | AWOSLappy | but yeah, JeffM, thinking I would want to build bzflag I emerged libcurl long ago :) |
| 21:12.29 | JeffM | bz does not "need" SDL, but it is highly recomented |
| 21:13.02 | ruskie | hmm does bz handle xinerama any better yet... |
| 21:13.49 | AWOSLappy | ruskie: I wouldn't know, I don't use that on my pitiful RADEON 7k ;) however if you, um, "cast" sdl with xinerama support it might help |
| 21:15.37 | ruskie | each time I run it in fullscreen I get everything streched and so forth... |
| 21:15.48 | ruskie | I really wish games would be smarter about multiple screens |
| 21:16.01 | JeffM | SDL has no concept of multiple displays |
| 21:16.04 | ruskie | i.e. limit stuff to one screen and on the other show high score list/chatter etc... |
| 21:16.12 | JeffM | we discussed this over the weekend |
| 21:16.37 | JeffM | more may be available with engines like CS and Ogre, since they do platform stuff |
| 21:16.44 | AWOSLappy | ruskie: it's a nice concept, but from the standpoint of a graphics programmer, that's a hard feat. |
| 21:17.00 | JeffM | AWOSLappy, not realy, be cake on windows, just more then one context |
| 21:17.13 | JeffM | if the renderer was set up well enough |
| 21:17.24 | ruskie | sadly cs makes a poor attempt at it |
| 21:17.37 | ruskie | (I do paly planeshift from time to time) |
| 21:17.53 | ruskie | and frankly am not impressed with anything about cs... or planeshift |
| 21:18.11 | ruskie | the entire codebase is one giant indirection |
| 21:19.06 | ruskie | and even with minimal data it still gobles up tons of ram |
| 21:19.31 | ruskie | though I tried the cs branch of bzflag |
| 21:19.45 | AWOSLappy | well you can tell which way they opted to go on the whole "RAM vs CPU" debate :p |
| 21:20.05 | ruskie | erm... it also goples tons of cpu |
| 21:20.06 | JeffM | that's not the reasons |
| 21:20.12 | AWOSLappy | heh. |
| 21:20.14 | JeffM | it's just the way they write things |
| 21:20.18 | ruskie | yup |
| 21:20.19 | JeffM | everything is a plug-in |
| 21:20.19 | AWOSLappy | yay \o/ sdl is done |
| 21:20.34 | JeffM | we meet a guy from CS |
| 21:21.22 | ruskie | I'm still amazed at certain apps at how efficient they are overall... |
| 21:21.39 | AWOSLappy | configure: WARNING: could not find an appropriate SDL version. BZflag will build without SDL |
| 21:21.40 | ruskie | then I see monsters like mozilla, oo.o, X, cs and similar... |
| 21:21.42 | AWOSLappy | checking for SDL_image library... no |
| 21:21.51 | JeffM | SDL image isn't needed |
| 21:22.15 | JeffM | we have our own png loader |
| 21:22.18 | AWOSLappy | ruskie: Xorg-modular isn't all that bad. I had to cancel building Thunderbird because it wasn't done when I was going to bed and I can't leave the machine on all night |
| 21:22.29 | AWOSLappy | checking for SDL - version >= 1.2.5... no |
| 21:22.36 | ruskie | AWOSLappy, lol.. I've been running -modular for ~2 years |
| 21:22.44 | JeffM | what version of SDL do you have? |
| 21:22.49 | AWOSLappy | however, right here in the other terminal |
| 21:22.58 | AWOSLappy | >>> Regenerating /etc/ld.so.cache... |
| 21:22.58 | AWOSLappy | >>> media-libs/libsdl-1.2.11-r2 merged. |
| 21:23.03 | ruskie | also do most of the work on it in source mage |
| 21:23.06 | AWOSLappy | Maybe I need to do source /etc/profile? |
| 21:24.20 | ruskie | AWOSLappy, and I mean generaly even if it is modular and more managable it still has a ton of stuff that make it not so good overall... |
| 21:24.24 | ruskie | anyway off to bed... |
| 21:24.45 | AWOSLappy | okay, nn ruskie |
| 21:24.53 | AWOSLappy | yep, "source /etc/profile" and now it builds. yay. |
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| 21:32.28 | AWOSLappy | Shoot, I'm using gcc-3.4.6, is that okay? |
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| 22:07.07 | JeffM | that's what happens when you don't own it anymore ;) |
| 22:08.23 | Erroneous | heh...the other day I couldn't figure out why one my pngtest server wouldn't start...turned out it was still using -public dtremenak.bakadigital.com :) |
| 22:08.32 | JeffM | hah |
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| 22:59.51 | Constitution | brlcad, JeffM: regarding a "plan" (in yesterday's discussion), another point is that sometimes we just want to work on something, but want it to be something that we know is going to count. We just want the game to move forward. |
| 23:00.00 | Constitution | It's not always obvious what needs work. Some kind of guidelines or wishlist (even something as simple as keeping the TODO up-to-date) would probably be helpful. |
| 23:03.40 | JeffM | preaching to the choir man :) |
| 23:04.41 | JeffM | and if you'd look at who was the last person to update said todo |
| 23:05.58 | Constitution | indeed :) |
| 23:06.19 | JeffM | we just kinda need everyone to get on board with a good roadmap plan, and take the time to write it up |
| 23:06.27 | JeffM | it's hard with our size |
| 23:06.37 | Constitution | yeah |
| 23:06.50 | JeffM | and the fact that the maintainer isn't active at all. I fear many still put weight into what he says. |
| 23:07.31 | JeffM | you won't get a clean consensus on a feature map, there needs to be a strong guidance to break the ties, and set down what is best for the project, that's what the maintainer should do |
| 23:10.06 | JeffM | anyone know about an IRC ban for Daniel Jackson? |
| 23:10.44 | eTangenT | eh? what with DJ? |
| 23:11.06 | Constitution | was just trying to say that from my standpoint, some guidelines for stuff to work on would be really motivating... I think the same would be true of other devs |
| 23:12.02 | JeffM | he sent me a PM asking about his IRC ban, and I have no clue what he's talking about. |
| 23:12.17 | JeffM | Constitution, depends on what the dev's goals are |
| 23:12.24 | JeffM | for some yes it would be great |
| 23:12.39 | JeffM | for others, they are just going to do what they want so it's no big deal |
| 23:12.47 | eTangenT | JeffM: I'd ask the Freenode staff about the ban. |
| 23:12.47 | JeffM | the problem is with making those guidelines |
| 23:13.13 | JeffM | I've been trying to get Tim to write down his wishlist/vision for bzflag for years |
| 23:13.24 | Constitution | perhaps it's just a lack of confidence that goes away as they get more comfortable |
| 23:13.26 | JeffM | eTangenT, you think t was that high up? kline type things? |
| 23:13.45 | eTangenT | Wait, is he K-lined or G-lined? |
| 23:13.57 | eTangenT | If it's just a K-line, it's probably not for long, and he can get on another server. |
| 23:14.01 | JeffM | Constitution, I agree with you, but it's just been the way we've done it, so most users are just laxadasical about it |
| 23:14.08 | eTangenT | If it's a G-line, then I'd talk to Freenode staff about removing it. |
| 23:14.10 | JeffM | eTangenT, I dunno all he said was ban |
| 23:14.27 | eTangenT | Probably a G-line, then. |
| 23:14.51 | JeffM | no, probalby just got hit in a range ban in the channel |
| 23:15.35 | eTangenT | Hm. |
| 23:15.42 | eTangenT | Banned from server or frmo channel? |
| 23:15.46 | JeffM | dunno |
| 23:15.52 | JeffM | I've asked him |
| 23:16.04 | JeffM | but I wanted to ask if anyone here had seen anything recetnly for him |
| 23:16.11 | JeffM | aka, the longshot |
| 23:16.23 | JeffM | not all problems have imediate solutions ;) |
| 23:16.46 | eTangenT | ~seen daniel_jackson |
| 23:16.48 | ibot | daniel_jackson <n=bsanford@cpe-24-25-198-49.san.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 5d 11h 42m 53s ago, saying: 'oh I'll probably take your advise'. |
| 23:17.01 | eTangenT | he was apparently in #divi yesterday |
| 23:17.04 | eTangenT | idunno |
| 23:17.19 | JeffM | then it's most likely a channel ban |
| 23:18.35 | eTangenT | Ah, I see what it is. |
| 23:18.43 | eTangenT | The mask *!*root@* is banned |
| 23:18.46 | eTangenT | have him change his ident |
| 23:18.55 | JeffM | heh |
| 23:19.02 | JeffM | then it's his own silly fault |
| 23:19.16 | JeffM | IRC as root is stupid |
| 23:19.52 | eTangenT | Yep. |
| 23:21.11 | Winny | hehe, I did that once. |
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