| 00:00.17 | Erroneous | i.e. it's been fixed, update your mesa |
| 00:01.29 | awilcox | okay. thanks. |
| 00:02.46 | awilcox | Erroneous: Just making sure you get the warning about the certificate expiring a week ago as well? |
| 00:03.11 | Erroneous | from fd.o? probably, I seem to remember something like that |
| 00:03.17 | awilcox | okay |
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| 00:34.59 | Constitution | okay if I change -filterSimple to at least ignore case when filtering? |
| 00:35.16 | Constitution | bzfs won't accept the same word in both upper and lower case in the badwords file anyway |
| 00:45.34 | Macrosoft | anyone notice the forums cutting off the right edge of the last column? |
| 00:46.12 | Macrosoft | the "last post" column is too narrow now |
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| 01:00.32 | brlcad | Constitution: hm, it should accept both upper and lower if you're using filterSimple |
| 01:01.32 | brlcad | at least it used to -- simple is supposed to be just that |
| 01:02.26 | brlcad | you could add maybe something like -filterSimpleNoCase |
| 01:02.42 | Constitution | brlcad: looks like it does actually accept it, but discards one of them... lemme run a few more tests |
| 01:04.39 | Constitution | so a whole new config option is preferable to changing the filtersimple behavior to just ignore the case? |
| 01:07.53 | DTRemenak | imho it should ignore case regardless |
| 01:08.20 | DTRemenak | case-changes are cheap |
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| 01:42.32 | Constitution | how's this? http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d76734630 |
| 01:49.59 | brlcad | the reason I mentioned optional wasn't because it's expensive but because the word filter is just that, i.e. a generic word filter |
| 01:50.06 | brlcad | not necessarily just callsign matching |
| 01:50.25 | brlcad | be sure you look at the other uses in bz to make sure making that assumption that it's okay to go insensitive won't break something else |
| 01:51.05 | brlcad | the simple filter is used in a couple places as a convenient/simple input pattern match |
| 01:51.56 | Constitution | so perhaps move the changes outside of the actual function? |
| 01:53.25 | Constitution | for instance, in sendFilteredMessage() |
| 01:54.55 | Constitution | although we wouldn't want to tolower the whole message, or all messages would be converted to lowercase |
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| 02:09.27 | brlcad | perhaps .. but just check the other uses (look for the WordFilter.h include) .. if they can all be insensitive then it shouldn't matter where in the filter it goes |
| 02:09.44 | brlcad | simple can just mean exact insensitive match then |
| 02:10.01 | brlcad | i just can't think of all of the cases at the moment and am knee deep in other code to look myself right this second |
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| 02:10.34 | brlcad | iirc, the login window has a filter that prohibits logging in with something that resembles "SERVER" to avoid spoofing |
| 02:10.59 | brlcad | but I think that one is aggressive; there might be other uses |
| 02:11.17 | Constitution | hm, okay |
| 02:12.54 | brlcad | i could see using it for callsign matching too, but that can also be insensitive |
| 02:16.55 | Constitution | I don't see a call to simpleFilter() anywhere outside of WordFilter.cxx |
| 02:17.02 | Constitution | (looking at branch) |
| 02:18.29 | brlcad | that's not the routine, iirc |
| 02:18.53 | brlcad | follow the -filterSimple handler |
| 02:22.31 | Constitution | in WordFilter::filter() (called from bzfs.cxx), if (simple) {filtered = simpleFilter(input);} |
| 02:23.59 | Constitution | WordFilter::filter() is in clOptions, called in bzfs.cxx from sendFilteredMessage() |
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| 02:51.08 | brlcad | yeah, it's filter() passed with a boolean for simple/aggressive |
| 02:51.17 | brlcad | so you should look for filter() |
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| 02:53.10 | Constitution | brlcad: filter() calls simpleFilter() in the case of the simpleFilter configuration |
| 02:53.29 | brlcad | yes.. and? |
| 02:53.44 | Constitution | that's where I get simpleFilter |
| 02:54.06 | brlcad | yes.. and? |
| 02:54.11 | brlcad | that doesn't help with what I was saying |
| 02:54.22 | brlcad | the point was to check all of the usages |
| 02:54.36 | brlcad | all of the usages aren't to simpleFilter() -- that's only called inside filter() |
| 02:54.42 | brlcad | filter() is the external routine |
| 02:54.54 | Constitution | oh I see |
| 02:54.57 | brlcad | so you'd have to look for that if you want to see if there are other places that matter |
| 02:55.20 | brlcad | ergo why I mentioned looking for WordFilter.h and/or filter() |
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| 03:11.38 | Constitution | brlcad: so yeah, looks like callsigns, email addresses, client-side filtering, and server-side message filtering... don't think any of that would be broken by case insensitivity |
| 03:12.18 | Constitution | guess there might be a question of whether any future usage of filter() would fail to take the case insensitivity into account |
| 03:13.32 | brlcad | just document it in the header that simple is insensitive |
| 03:13.47 | brlcad | then if someone down the road needs it different, they can deal with it |
| 03:13.59 | Constitution | k |
| 03:15.43 | Constitution | heh, there's already a note in the header that it's case insensitive |
| 03:17.08 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r16040 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/common/WordFilter.cxx: -filterSimple is now case-insensitive. |
| 03:22.30 | brlcad | then something else probably changed |
| 04:06.19 | AAA_awright | gcc says bzfs 2.0.10 is segfaulting at CmdLineOptions.cxx:786 |
| 04:06.25 | AAA_awright | Loading a plugin... |
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| 04:26.26 | blast007 | AAA_awright: backtrace? |
| 04:51.45 | AAA_awright | Constitution blast007: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/732669 |
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| 10:58.15 | Pimpi_ | menotume: ping |
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| 13:54.39 | Tedius | heh, finally my screenshots loaded from yesterday: |
| 13:54.44 | Tedius | http://browsershots.org/http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewforum.php?f=68 |
| 13:56.47 | Macrosoft | Tedius: so yours is cutting off the right column too? |
| 13:57.29 | Tedius | only in firefox and opera |
| 13:57.36 | Tedius | in every platform |
| 13:58.04 | Macrosoft | i think that just started happening a few days ago |
| 13:59.07 | Macrosoft | any way to fix it? |
| 14:00.04 | Tedius | This is continued from the conversation yesterday |
| 14:00.18 | _anomaly_ | jeffm asked someone to fix the left column to a certain width in the forums a few days ago |
| 14:00.27 | _anomaly_ | is that what you are talking about? |
| 14:00.44 | Macrosoft | no, i mean the "last post" column |
| 14:00.45 | donny_baker | _anomaly_: yes, that is when we started noticing it |
| 14:01.00 | Tedius | Someone(tm) has to fix the css on the website, it'll get done eventually(tm) |
| 14:01.09 | donny_baker | after that edit took place, on a different column |
| 14:01.58 | Tedius | in the meantime use Konqueror, IE, or Safair |
| 14:02.09 | _anomaly_ | my "last post" column isn't cutting off on firefox or epiphany in Fedora |
| 14:02.09 | Tedius | s/ir/ri |
| 14:02.25 | Macrosoft | eww, konqueror |
| 14:02.50 | Tedius | eww, all three of those |
| 14:02.59 | Macrosoft | yeah |
| 14:03.13 | Macrosoft | <--- firefox user |
| 14:03.28 | _anomaly_ | eww ? |
| 14:03.51 | _anomaly_ | you mean the cloumn cuts off or eww the browser |
| 14:04.00 | _anomaly_ | column* |
| 14:04.01 | Macrosoft | both ;) |
| 14:04.11 | _anomaly_ | hey now |
| 14:04.44 | Macrosoft | IE = evil, Konqueror = suck, Safari = evil |
| 14:05.06 | _anomaly_ | IE = way not secure |
| 14:05.20 | Tedius | the least-standards-based browsers process the columns correctly |
| 14:05.25 | blast007 | I already fixed it |
| 14:05.36 | donny_baker | _anomaly_: go inside one of the forum sections, the front page is fine |
| 14:05.38 | _anomaly_ | IE = ActiveX control = remote control |
| 14:05.46 | blast007 | didn't realize that phpBB used the 'postdetails' class for other areas |
| 14:05.54 | Macrosoft | = mind control :p |
| 14:06.16 | blast007 | Tedius: are you still having problems? |
| 14:06.23 | Macrosoft | yay, fixed |
| 14:06.28 | Tedius | no, just holdover from yesterday |
| 14:06.31 | blast007 | I fixed it yesterday |
| 14:06.42 | Tedius | screenshots are from pre-fixed bzbb |
| 14:06.52 | Tedius | sorry to bring up old news |
| 14:06.54 | blast007 | k |
| 14:06.57 | _anomaly_ | cool, mine looks the same |
| 14:07.22 | Macrosoft | o-/< |
| 14:07.27 | Macrosoft | o-\< |
| 14:07.36 | Tedius | ~phpbb-- |
| 14:07.42 | Tedius | ~blast007++ |
| 14:07.44 | Macrosoft | o->-< |
| 14:10.36 | _anomaly_ | donny_baker: that's what i was doing |
| 14:11.26 | donny_baker | _anomaly_: yeah, didn't know blast had fixed it, and since Tedius was talkin bout it figured he hadn't |
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| 14:15.30 | _anomaly_ | I finally saw where blast fixed the issue yesterday |
| 14:15.52 | _anomaly_ | no wonder it looked ok to me today :P |
| 14:16.08 | blast007 | ;) |
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| 15:05.55 | menotume | Pimpi_: pong :) |
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| 17:52.54 | donny_baker | ~pastebin |
| 17:52.55 | ibot | i heard pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well |
| 18:02.06 | donny_baker | doesn't someone here work at vmware? |
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| 18:20.49 | donny_baker | ~JeffM++ |
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| 18:26.52 | ts | donny_baker: IIRC DTRemenak worked at vmware |
| 18:27.57 | ts | That's why I wrote "worked" |
| 18:28.08 | CBG | And I wrote "works". |
| 18:28.32 | ts | CBG: Do you have sound in the latest release candidate build? |
| 18:28.48 | CBG | ts: I don't have the latest RC build. |
| 18:28.58 | ts | Mine says sound volume is unavailable |
| 18:29.25 | ruskie | O.o |
| 18:29.27 | ruskie | got bored? |
| 18:29.54 | CBG | I stopped actively playing a long time ago, for a bunch of reasons.. |
| 18:30.04 | ruskie | care to share? |
| 18:30.07 | CBG | Mainly I came to really hate playing - not just a matter of "not enjoying it". :| |
| 18:31.17 | JeffM | yes we do |
| 18:31.32 | JeffM | he never worked at VMware |
| 18:31.40 | JeffM | you are thinking of purple_cow |
| 18:33.27 | JeffM | we did stand outside of the VMWare offices on friday tho. |
| 18:35.38 | DTRemenak | indeed |
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| 18:46.47 | donny_baker | DTRemenak: don't know Backwards dat is generally celebrated on January 31st |
| 18:46.59 | donny_baker | s/dat/day/ |
| 18:47.04 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 18:48.01 | tannerld | wouldn't it be 7/13 then? |
| 18:48.18 | CBG | eek |
| 19:03.29 | CBG | You wish! :P |
| 19:03.38 | KTL | oo :) |
| 19:03.49 | CBG | Come fight me on counter strike! :P |
| 19:03.57 | KTL | no no starcraft ... |
| 19:03.58 | KTL | :) |
| 19:04.24 | ruskie | sc? |
| 19:04.34 | KTL | starcraft it is :) |
| 19:04.37 | CBG | starcraft? |
| 19:04.39 | CBG | heh |
| 19:04.44 | KTL | resolution 640 x 480 bitmaps |
| 19:06.19 | CBG | All the good things in life have those initals! :D |
| 19:06.25 | ruskie | there's also SmellyCat and ScardeyCat :) |
| 19:06.53 | ruskie | what's ##essy all about??? |
| 19:07.22 | CBG | The home of SportChick! The best IRC channel ever! (sorry for all these pings, SportChick. :) ) |
| 19:07.29 | ruskie | lol |
| 19:07.33 | KTL | ah ... it seems SportChick is active, but on another channel ... |
| 19:08.15 | CBG | If only.... sadly she is inactive on IRC in general lately... Only able to pop on for a few moments each day. :( |
| 19:08.30 | KTL | what is the "in loving memory" about? |
| 19:08.35 | KTL | are those irc users diing? |
| 19:08.43 | ruskie | KTL, probably still wrt to lilo |
| 19:10.50 | awilcox | KTL: No, those are family and friends of SportChick's. She blogged about it. I don't *believe* any of them used Freenode. |
| 19:11.07 | ruskie | aw |
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| 20:08.46 | Djpenguin | hi |
| 20:08.50 | Djpenguin | i have a question |
| 20:09.00 | Djpenguin | if anyone here can program |
| 20:09.14 | donny_baker | there are a few here :P |
| 20:09.14 | tannerld | question about? |
| 20:09.24 | Djpenguin | i would like to have the observer labels on tanks while im playing, with the exception of showing cl's and st's |
| 20:09.33 | Djpenguin | so it could be portrayed as legal |
| 20:09.36 | Djpenguin | not interested in cheating |
| 20:09.39 | donny_baker | that would be a cheat client |
| 20:09.46 | Djpenguin | why? |
| 20:09.51 | Djpenguin | it doesnt give advantages |
| 20:10.20 | donny_baker | i would say it does... easier to track the noobs and avoid the good guys |
| 20:10.33 | Djpenguin | they have hunting for that... |
| 20:10.55 | donny_baker | yeh, but that is the reason that it isn't in th client |
| 20:11.04 | donny_baker | for people playing |
| 20:11.22 | Djpenguin | id just want it to c the names |
| 20:11.32 | Djpenguin | not flags or etc... |
| 20:11.40 | donny_baker | to me knowing who all the different people are driving the tank would be a HUGE advantage |
| 20:11.51 | Djpenguin | well they have identify |
| 20:11.56 | Djpenguin | thats "i" for me |
| 20:11.59 | Djpenguin | or right click |
| 20:12.05 | donny_baker | yep, but not nearly as accurate |
| 20:12.05 | Djpenguin | thats basically the same thing... |
| 20:12.28 | tannerld | if theres something in your client that no one else has, I would consider it a cheat/advantage |
| 20:12.33 | donny_baker | can't see anyone behind.. not even sure which tank it is if they are close |
| 20:12.48 | Djpenguin | u cant c a tank behind u with this.. |
| 20:13.17 | Djpenguin | its like radar but in hud with names... |
| 20:13.26 | donny_baker | no.. i doesn't see behind the tank you are identifying |
| 20:13.42 | donny_baker | so you have less info available with 'i' |
| 20:13.49 | Djpenguin | okay well if its cheating then il stay away from it. thanks. |
| 20:13.56 | Djpenguin | :) |
| 20:14.03 | donny_baker | if there are 3 or 4 in a pack you only id one of them |
| 20:14.04 | donny_baker | np |
| 20:14.23 | Djpenguin | just thought it would be a cool idea |
| 20:14.40 | Birdie | hmm he does have a point though, you can hunt all the good guys |
| 20:14.46 | Birdie | and do the same thing |
| 20:15.05 | tannerld | but it doesn't highlight which tank is who in a small group |
| 20:15.16 | tannerld | (unless it does that in 2.1.*) |
| 20:15.21 | bryjen | there's not a visual marking out-the-window on hunted tanks |
| 20:15.22 | Djpenguin | yes well if tanks are in a group it would be hard to read anyway |
| 20:15.22 | Chestal | labels as drawn in observer mode would also show up behind buildings |
| 20:15.50 | Djpenguin | chestal u can see them on radar anyways... |
| 20:16.04 | Chestal | Djpenguin: not the same |
| 20:16.11 | Birdie | and if you make exceptions for stealth ? |
| 20:16.14 | Djpenguin | yes |
| 20:16.18 | Djpenguin | stealth and cl |
| 20:16.43 | Chestal | personally, I think that hunting gives too much information already, but it has been implemeted and is available to everyone, so the issie is mood |
| 20:16.53 | Chestal | eh, moot |
| 20:17.01 | Birdie | you can also hunt mulitple persons |
| 20:17.05 | Djpenguin | you can? |
| 20:17.11 | tannerld | press 7 in-game |
| 20:17.26 | Djpenguin | oooh thats useful :) |
| 20:17.50 | Djpenguin | and if hunt can be used this would be the same information |
| 20:17.55 | Djpenguin | just in the screen |
| 20:18.13 | Chestal | not quite the same, and certainly presented in a different way |
| 20:18.22 | Chestal | it's not acceptable to use a patches client like that |
| 20:18.24 | Djpenguin | u said it can see through buildings |
| 20:18.28 | Djpenguin | well hunt does taht too |
| 20:18.30 | Djpenguin | that* |
| 20:18.38 | Djpenguin | it says "spotted ____" |
| 20:18.46 | tannerld | but you don't know where exactly |
| 20:18.50 | Chestal | it#s significantly less information |
| 20:18.57 | tannerld | theres like a few degrees of leeway |
| 20:18.58 | Djpenguin | u know they are where u were looking |
| 20:19.05 | Birdie | and most people only look to radar as thats the best, so if you look who it is on your screan its a bit of a disadvantage also? |
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| 20:20.00 | Djpenguin | yes a bit of a disadvantage |
| 20:20.07 | Djpenguin | only looking for namesake tho |
| 20:20.09 | Chestal | if you want you can propose it for 2.2 and start a discussion |
| 20:20.17 | Djpenguin | where shall i do that? |
| 20:20.25 | Chestal | but adding it in a 2.0 client yourself and playing with it is certainly not acceptable |
| 20:20.40 | Djpenguin | okay, as i said im not interested in cheating |
| 20:20.51 | Djpenguin | Where shall i propose it for 2.2? |
| 20:21.30 | JeffM | 2.2 has a form of that allready |
| 20:21.56 | JeffM | you see a label over the closest person to you in your "look at" cone |
| 20:22.27 | Djpenguin | You mean the idea is already in there/ |
| 20:22.27 | Djpenguin | hmm, thats nearly the same idea |
| 20:22.32 | JeffM | yes |
| 20:22.41 | JeffM | it's limited somewhat so people don't complain too much |
| 20:22.51 | Chestal | what if the tank is behind a building? |
| 20:23.03 | donny_baker | more like an automatic 'i' than labels on all tanks though |
| 20:23.09 | Chestal | maybe I don't understand "look at" cone |
| 20:23.16 | JeffM | Chestal, we have a look at |
| 20:23.18 | Djpenguin | Ahh, so how would it be worse if it allows more than one? |
| 20:23.19 | JeffM | right click |
| 20:23.28 | JeffM | that works thru buildings |
| 20:23.40 | Chestal | well, kind of |
| 20:23.43 | JeffM | identify, that's the word |
| 20:23.46 | Djpenguin | right click works through buildings.... |
| 20:23.52 | Chestal | it doesn't draw the tanks position into the main view, though |
| 20:24.07 | JeffM | but the info is shown on radar |
| 20:24.14 | JeffM | this is one thing I'm not sure of keeping yet |
| 20:24.18 | JeffM | it needs playtesting |
| 20:24.23 | Djpenguin | shows the name on the radar? |
| 20:24.24 | Birdie | on radar? wouldnt it become messy? |
| 20:24.29 | Djpenguin | yes |
| 20:24.31 | Djpenguin | ... |
| 20:24.33 | JeffM | no, I mean the postion of the tank is on radar |
| 20:24.36 | Djpenguin | ohh |
| 20:24.38 | JeffM | this just puts that info on the hud |
| 20:24.39 | Djpenguin | well yes |
| 20:24.41 | JeffM | so it's not new info |
| 20:24.45 | JeffM | or info you don't have |
| 20:24.51 | JeffM | as I said, it needs play testing |
| 20:24.52 | Chestal | well, that#s not quite true |
| 20:24.56 | Djpenguin | and it certainly has exceptions for cloak and stealth correct? |
| 20:25.02 | Chestal | height is difficult to see on radar |
| 20:25.08 | Birdie | you can know the position of the tank (you mean facing which way right?) if you want |
| 20:25.09 | JeffM | Chestal, correct |
| 20:25.21 | JeffM | so it is a better display |
| 20:25.26 | JeffM | we'll have to see how it plays out |
| 20:25.31 | Chestal | also, you have to project the position you see on radar into main view in your head |
| 20:25.36 | JeffM | it'd be simple to turn it into a ray test |
| 20:25.52 | JeffM | and not make it work behind buildings |
| 20:26.07 | Djpenguin | but why not behind buildings |
| 20:26.11 | JeffM | it does have the advantage of doing an IFF as well based on the current team settings |
| 20:26.14 | Djpenguin | its not like radar doesnt offer that |
| 20:26.19 | JeffM | Djpenguin, becuase it may make things easier, too easy |
| 20:26.30 | JeffM | it's a fine ballance. |
| 20:26.53 | JeffM | the IFF features of it would still be intact if it only showed visable tanks |
| 20:26.58 | Djpenguin | IFF? |
| 20:27.16 | JeffM | Identify Friend or Foe |
| 20:27.25 | JeffM | it puts a marker on teammates |
| 20:27.31 | JeffM | so you know they are not to be shot |
| 20:27.36 | Chestal | could always make it confgurable if it is an issue, so server owner might turn it off. DOn't know if it would be necessary |
| 20:27.40 | Djpenguin | so what your saying is, if it only shows visible tanks u can have it show as many as u want/ |
| 20:27.49 | JeffM | Chestal, perhaps, we'll see in testing |
| 20:27.57 | JeffM | Djpenguin, no, I said nothing of the sort |
| 20:28.02 | JeffM | I'd still only have it show the closest |
| 20:28.22 | JeffM | aka the most likely to be shot |
| 20:29.52 | JeffM | the way it's coded now, is it works as if you always held down identify |
| 20:30.08 | Djpenguin | thats nice |
| 20:30.10 | JeffM | but old identify didn't give you the screen pos bedhind stuff, so that may be an advantage |
| 20:30.14 | Djpenguin | often times i dont have the time |
| 20:30.16 | JeffM | so i'd be ok with making it do vis only |
| 20:30.40 | JeffM | the current identify of stuff you cant' see is silly |
| 20:32.11 | Chestal | it's a tachyon ray probe. And because that takes so much energy, you have to do it manually each time ;-) |
| 20:32.24 | JeffM | it goes back in time? |
| 20:32.57 | Chestal | maybe, or maybe it's neutrinos. WOuld have to read the manual of your tank |
| 20:33.14 | JeffM | well geting those to bounce back, that'd be the trick ;) |
| 20:33.23 | JeffM | I'm guessing it's simple RF triangulation |
| 20:33.39 | Djpenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.51 | JeffM | or it's just a simple computer ploting the radar info ;) |
| 20:34.00 | JeffM | like what a hud does in a fighter jet |
| 20:34.10 | JeffM | overlay radar data onto the visable screen |
| 20:34.29 | Djpenguin | i c |
| 20:34.35 | JeffM | I also show the screen postion of flags |
| 20:34.44 | JeffM | since they were on the compass anyway |
| 20:35.01 | JeffM | I was trying to think what somone woudl make a real hud do in that situation, to help the driver of this tank |
| 20:35.34 | JeffM | and in a real tank you'd want a hud to project onto the view so you don't have to keep your head down on the radar, hence heads UP display ;) |
| 20:35.39 | JeffM | but we can ballance it. |
| 20:37.03 | tannerld | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.07 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:37.14 | JeffM | game balance |
| 20:37.17 | JeffM | playtest |
| 20:37.25 | JeffM | all those wonderfull things game designers do ;) |
| 20:37.47 | tannerld | :) |
| 20:38.06 | Djpenguin | what are some of the names of other game designers? |
| 20:38.24 | JeffM | there are none |
| 20:38.42 | JeffM | it's all prety much communal |
| 20:38.54 | Djpenguin | hmm |
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| 20:42.00 | nn-main | hi |
| 20:42.24 | tannerld | hello |
| 20:45.20 | JeffM | tannerld, nope, just the regular word :) |
| 20:45.38 | JeffM | I see chestal's point, and the more that I think about it, I like making it visable only. |
| 20:46.09 | JeffM | is gives the IFF info I was looking for, but dosn't give out any "extra" info so you still have to have some skill. |
| 20:47.08 | JeffM | it should not be too hard to collision ray test the returned list of ID tanks |
| 20:47.28 | JeffM | just ray from you to the CoM of each one, if that is clear, let it go |
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| 20:53.27 | JeffM | trepan, you arround? |
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| 21:15.46 | tannerld | does the group parameter spin not work on boxes? |
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| 21:16.19 | JeffM | it'll internaly convert them to meshboxes IIRC |
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| 21:39.31 | tannerld | anyone know what color values the default blue sky color in bz? |
| 21:39.44 | tannerld | in 0-1 for the color bzw parameter |
| 21:40.09 | JeffM | depends on the time of day |
| 21:40.29 | tannerld | noon? |
| 21:40.36 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.36 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:42.14 | tannerld | ooo - merci |
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| 21:42.39 | KTL | didnt epyon make a skybox? |
| 21:42.54 | KTL | what happens with day night then? |
| 21:42.56 | awilcox | KTL: not sure, he made that neat bzcity though |
| 21:43.09 | bremac | ok... any mofo admins/cops HERE? |
| 21:43.09 | KTL | myes that's a map |
| 21:43.48 | awilcox | bremac: I believe I_Died_Once in #bzchat is |
| 21:45.44 | bremac | I checked planet mofo and ever pming him |
| 21:46.38 | bremac | no response... I'm starting to think it should be delisted for encouraging cheating by not enforcing rules like any other server would |
| 21:47.04 | bremac | just temp, of course, until they can ip-ban the cheater |
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| 21:50.46 | KTL | isnt there a more centralised way of knowing who has mod rights on what servers? |
| 21:50.54 | JeffM | when you do a skybox you turn off the sky |
| 21:51.03 | KTL | ah ok a switch |
| 21:51.20 | JeffM | bremac, there is also ##planetmofo |
| 21:51.31 | bremac | I was there already, finally got temporal distraction on |
| 21:51.54 | JeffM | KTL, we have a forum where people can post admin lists if they want, they don't |
| 21:52.49 | CBG | some do... but only a few |
| 21:53.15 | bremac | it would be nice if some of the more popular servers had a few more cops |
| 21:53.26 | JeffM | that's up to them |
| 21:53.37 | JeffM | it'd be nice if all the servers were well maintained |
| 21:53.46 | JeffM | it'd be nice if I had a billion $ |
| 21:53.50 | bremac | heh |
| 21:53.53 | CBG | it'd be nice if the buses ran on time. |
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| 21:54.05 | CBG | that's all I ask. |
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| 21:54.17 | JeffM | I don't realy get into the day to day of server admins |
| 21:54.18 | CBG | hey soraya, bye soraya. :) |
| 21:54.25 | JeffM | it's not our place to say how they run stuff |
| 21:54.31 | JeffM | so we don't try to centralise uit |
| 21:55.04 | bremac | I'd just like if players were a bit more responsible with voting in polls myself, but I suppose the buses running on time is more likely |
| 21:55.15 | JeffM | you can never trust players |
| 21:55.35 | JeffM | there will always be one that will screw you over5 |
| 21:56.29 | CBG | bremac: you think?! man. the buses here suck so bad... |
| 21:57.00 | CBG | I had to practically run up a mile hill this morning and was still late for my class... because of the damn buses. |
| 21:58.51 | JeffM | unless anyone else knows how the time component of the ray tests works |
| 21:59.07 | JeffM | is it units per second for the speed, or does it use the magnitude of the vector? |
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| 22:02.16 | awilcox | WE ARE WORTHY, WE ARE NOT! |
| 22:06.10 | tannerld | how does one use texmat in material? |
| 22:06.52 | Winny | textmat, IIRC |
| 22:07.05 | Winny | material; textmat youname; otherstuff; end |
| 22:07.37 | tannerld | Winny: ? the wiki says you need addtexture before it |
| 22:08.08 | tannerld | Winny: and its texmat |
| 22:08.31 | Winny | well, you just anwsered your own question |
| 22:09.00 | trepan | JeffM: ? |
| 22:09.16 | tannerld | Winny: but what do I put for texmat? or is it just texmat? |
| 22:09.17 | JeffM | whoot |
| 22:09.32 | Winny | taxmat yourtexmatname |
| 22:09.33 | Winny | ,,, |
| 22:09.39 | Winny | err |
| 22:09.40 | Winny | yeah. |
| 22:09.54 | JeffM | trepan, when doing a ray test, it has a time paramater ( object->intersect), does that return the time assuming the vector of the ray per second speed? |
| 22:10.00 | JeffM | or is it units/specond |
| 22:10.11 | Winny | texturematrix; fixedshift x y; fixedspin x y; etc; end |
| 22:10.33 | JeffM | I want to see if anything is between 2 points, so I'm using the ray vector to be the delta between the points, and testing to see if the time is less then 1 |
| 22:10.34 | tannerld | hmm |
| 22:11.09 | tannerld | how can I scale a texture on a meshbox? |
| 22:11.20 | trepan | looks like it would be the time required from the starting point |
| 22:11.22 | tannerld | no repeating/tiling |
| 22:11.29 | JeffM | time at what speed |
| 22:11.30 | Winny | use a mesh... meshboxes are horrible at texturing |
| 22:11.32 | JeffM | that's my question |
| 22:11.38 | trepan | (based on a quick look at timeRayHitsOrigBox) |
| 22:11.55 | JeffM | it looks like it's using the magnitude of the passed in vector |
| 22:11.59 | JeffM | as the speed |
| 22:11.59 | trepan | whatever speed is passed in as the 'v' param |
| 22:12.04 | JeffM | k |
| 22:12.08 | JeffM | cool |
| 22:12.17 | JeffM | so then if I use that to be the max distance |
| 22:12.17 | trepan | well, speed = |v| :) |
| 22:12.32 | JeffM | any time over 1 is past the distace |
| 22:12.33 | JeffM | easy out |
| 22:12.35 | JeffM | thanks |
| 22:12.42 | JeffM | was just looking for verifcation |
| 22:13.18 | trepan | i'm assuming that the rest of the ray tests follow the same format as timeRayHitsOrigBox(), haven't looked at any of that in quite some time |
| 22:13.45 | JeffM | they are combined in other bits of code, so I belive they all do it the same way |
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| 22:14.47 | trepan | not using the depth buffer? |
| 22:15.02 | JeffM | it's all done before drw |
| 22:15.04 | JeffM | drawing |
| 22:15.09 | JeffM | so this was just simpler to put in |
| 22:15.53 | trepan | the BSP code still in there? ;-) |
| 22:16.02 | JeffM | this will be good enough |
| 22:16.12 | JeffM | it's just a modification of the identify code |
| 22:16.23 | JeffM | and it dosn't need to be pixel accurate |
| 22:16.41 | Constitution | ~JeffM++ |
| 22:17.16 | brlcad | JeffM: time w.r.t ray-tracing is usually just the 't' value along the ray (i.e. magnitude/distance along the ray at a unit speed) |
| 22:17.33 | trepan | heh, looks like it is ... and your way works just fine with it (the BSP comment wasn't implying otherwise) |
| 22:17.34 | brlcad | i'd be surprised if bz used anything different and called it a ray |
| 22:17.57 | JeffM | if it was unit speed, it'd be the disance |
| 22:18.18 | JeffM | it seems to us the magnitute of the vector as the speed |
| 22:18.25 | JeffM | since its' mostly used for shots |
| 22:19.09 | JeffM | we'll have to see |
| 22:19.15 | JeffM | I can't test till home |
| 22:20.51 | brlcad | is the ray vector unitized? |
| 22:20.55 | JeffM | no |
| 22:21.01 | brlcad | hm |
| 22:21.09 | JeffM | I used the distance beween the points as the magnitude |
| 22:21.15 | JeffM | gives me an easy out |
| 22:21.23 | JeffM | if the time is over 1, then it's past the point |
| 22:21.31 | JeffM | and for that I'm done. |
| 22:21.37 | brlcad | "sounds right" |
| 22:21.41 | JeffM | I'm trying to test if anything is between 2 points |
| 22:21.48 | JeffM | yeah it sounds right, we'll have to see :) |
| 22:22.24 | JeffM | may have to shift the origin up by a muzzle height, but we'll see |
| 22:22.46 | brlcad | which means that t isn't actually a distance (like I think it should be at least) .. :) |
| 22:22.54 | JeffM | no it isn't |
| 22:23.08 | JeffM | it looks to be the time at that speed, makes sense for shots |
| 22:23.26 | JeffM | cus then you can just loop off time, and compute all the segements for the lifetime. |
| 22:23.39 | JeffM | with just the orgin and the movement vector |
| 22:23.45 | brlcad | but doesn't make sense for just about any other sort of collision/interference/visibility test you might want to use with it |
| 22:24.07 | JeffM | well you can use it for one, it just has a bad name them |
| 22:24.18 | JeffM | if you unitise your movement vector, you get distance |
| 22:24.36 | JeffM | if you use the vector between 2 points you can get a fast front/back test |
| 22:24.37 | brlcad | yeah |
| 22:24.42 | JeffM | it's not horible, just oddly named. |
| 22:24.44 | brlcad | i'm just used to always needing the distance |
| 22:25.01 | brlcad | and yeah, I wouldn't use those same names |
| 22:25.13 | JeffM | I'd call it like param, or something |
| 22:25.24 | JeffM | number of vector magnitues way |
| 22:26.00 | JeffM | like paramatrising a line, anything over 1.0 is past the end of the line. |
| 22:26.42 | JeffM | we'll have to see how it plays out |
| 22:27.07 | JeffM | since it's a simple CoM test, you won't see the marker till the midpoint is visable. |
| 22:27.33 | JeffM | for most situations that should be 1/2 the tanks visable, so that's not unbelivable |
| 22:27.51 | JeffM | it'd suck to get a marker for just having your barrel peek out |
| 22:28.58 | JeffM | tho I'm not testing teleporters cus they are mostly transperant too |
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| 22:29.04 | JeffM | and the borders are thiner then a tank |
| 22:34.29 | brlcad | hehe, yeah, that'd suck |
| 22:35.19 | brlcad | though i'm not convinced of the markers themselves .. a lot of additional overlay/hud info compared to without |
| 22:36.01 | brlcad | having to "identify" the tank you saw somewhere in view is part of the gameplay most eventually learn -- for better or worse |
| 22:36.09 | brlcad | (not against it, just noting that it'd change) |
| 22:36.31 | JeffM | we'll see |
| 22:36.44 | trepan | teleporters could be opaque (LinkMaterial) |
| 22:37.04 | JeffM | can we know that from the obstacle? |
| 22:37.29 | JeffM | mehh, I can just make it a bzdb var later if somone complains :) |
| 22:38.53 | trepan | ya, you'd have to teleporter->meshface->bzmaterial, for the applicable side |
| 22:38.59 | trepan | pita |
| 22:39.38 | trepan | I guess both sides are the same, unless someones added something more to the code |
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