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| 00:53.39 | Djpenguin | where, in 2.0, does bzflag trigger slowKeyboard to true or false? |
| 00:53.56 | JeffM2501 | probably in a command |
| 00:54.00 | JeffM2501 | have you searched for it? |
| 00:54.14 | Djpenguin | searched for "slowKeyboard"? |
| 00:54.24 | JeffM2501 | what's the bind command? |
| 00:55.02 | Djpenguin | bind A up toggle "slowKeyboard" |
| 00:55.04 | Djpenguin | i think |
| 00:55.57 | JeffM2501 | it's part of the keymap |
| 00:56.00 | Djpenguin | bind A down "toggle slowKeyboard" |
| 00:56.19 | JeffM2501 | not sure why it was shoved into bzdb, it dosn't need to be persistent |
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| 00:56.44 | Erroneous | probably because it was easier |
| 00:56.50 | JeffM2501 | yeah I guess |
| 00:57.11 | Erroneous | it's like one line that way, instead of needing to subclass clientcommand |
| 00:57.33 | JeffM2501 | and I guess it dosn't happen that often |
| 00:57.35 | Erroneous | and we can mark bzdb items as nonpersistent |
| 00:57.40 | Erroneous | which it probably is |
| 00:57.53 | JeffM2501 | we need a global broker |
| 00:58.37 | Erroneous | not for that kind of thing; bzdb is slightly overkill, but not evil |
| 00:58.42 | Erroneous | if we need one, it's for objects |
| 00:58.50 | a_meteorite | I think Djpenguin wants to know when BZFlag "knows" that the key that causes everything to be slow is determined |
| 00:58.53 | JeffM2501 | yes for objects |
| 00:59.04 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, it's part of the action keymap |
| 00:59.07 | JeffM2501 | it's complex |
| 00:59.15 | JeffM2501 | you can bind a key to togle a bzdb state |
| 00:59.34 | JeffM2501 | so there isn't a single bit of code that says "set slowKeyboard = true" |
| 00:59.42 | a_meteorite | mmmk |
| 01:01.07 | JeffM2501 | if he wants to do his speed thing the same way he can bind up some other commands to toggle, like "slowKeyboard25" "slowKeyboard50" and "slowkeyboard75" and then check them in stead of "slowKeyboard" |
| 01:01.33 | JeffM2501 | or add a bound key command to increase or decrease the multiplier |
| 01:01.40 | JeffM2501 | or however he wants his design to work |
| 01:01.46 | Erroneous | it's easy enough to make it set an int |
| 01:01.59 | Erroneous | a la radarRange or whatever |
| 01:02.10 | Djpenguin | I'd like it to be a percentage |
| 01:02.17 | Erroneous | yeah...like slowFactor or something |
| 01:02.17 | Djpenguin | of the servers max |
| 01:02.26 | JeffM2501 | server's max what? |
| 01:02.32 | Djpenguin | speed |
| 01:02.39 | Djpenguin | say you are on kb, when u press arrow up |
| 01:02.45 | Djpenguin | it goes to server max speed |
| 01:02.52 | JeffM2501 | it's a multilier |
| 01:02.53 | Djpenguin | when u toggle A it goes to 50 percent |
| 01:03.04 | JeffM2501 | so you go from 0 to 1 |
| 01:04.16 | JeffM2501 | it has nothing to do with the server's max |
| 01:04.22 | JeffM2501 | since it's a multiplier |
| 01:04.58 | Djpenguin | the bind id like may look: bind A down "toggle slowMotion75" for 75 percent... etc. |
| 01:05.13 | JeffM2501 | to do it like that, you'd need a name for each one |
| 01:05.20 | Erroneous | that'll generate a ton of extra variables |
| 01:05.25 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 01:05.36 | Erroneous | better to have something like "bind A down "set slowFactor 0.75"" |
| 01:06.10 | Djpenguin | it would have to be toggle |
| 01:06.10 | Erroneous | look at radarRange (or whatever it's called - whatever's default bound to 1, 2, 3, and 4) for an example |
| 01:06.25 | Djpenguin | wouldnt want to hold it down for that speed |
| 01:06.43 | blast007 | Djpenguin: make one for "set slowFactor 1" |
| 01:06.53 | Erroneous | you end up with another key for "full speed" |
| 01:07.03 | Erroneous | so you can assign however many keys you want speeds |
| 01:07.10 | Erroneous | to exactly the speeds you want |
| 01:07.11 | JeffM2501 | then toggle it off when the key goes up ;) |
| 01:07.18 | a_meteorite | Erroneous: that's already implemented? |
| 01:07.28 | Erroneous | a_meteorite: no, but it'd be pretty simple to do |
| 01:07.57 | Djpenguin | Erroneous: it's already set that when i hit the arrow up key it goes to 1 |
| 01:08.17 | blast007 | Djpenguin: no it's not |
| 01:08.26 | blast007 | it's set to "move forward" |
| 01:08.29 | Erroneous | Djpenguin: so why do you want a toggle then? |
| 01:08.56 | blast007 | if you have more than one "slow" speed, does does it toggle back to? the previous speed? or full speed? |
| 01:09.11 | Djpenguin | Erroneous: I want a toggle for others other than "1" like maybe another key for 0.75, 0.25, etc. |
| 01:09.13 | JeffM2501 | yould do it with sets |
| 01:09.18 | JeffM2501 | and set it to full on the UP |
| 01:09.32 | JeffM2501 | so holding it down would set it to the N speed, then up to the full speed |
| 01:09.35 | Erroneous | JeffM2501: he said he does NOT want to hold it down |
| 01:09.39 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 01:09.45 | Erroneous | <Djpenguin> wouldnt want to hold it down for that speed |
| 01:09.47 | JeffM2501 | then no bind on up |
| 01:09.52 | JeffM2501 | simple as that |
| 01:09.52 | Djpenguin | Yes i want it to toggle like "A" |
| 01:09.58 | Djpenguin | yup |
| 01:10.00 | Erroneous | why do you want it to toggle? |
| 01:10.01 | JeffM2501 | you can set on down only |
| 01:10.06 | JeffM2501 | you don't want a toggle |
| 01:10.11 | JeffM2501 | you want multiple sets |
| 01:10.14 | JeffM2501 | where one is full speed |
| 01:10.16 | Djpenguin | ? |
| 01:10.31 | Djpenguin | i have the arrow for full speed. |
| 01:10.36 | blast007 | no you don't |
| 01:10.42 | blast007 | the arrow says "move foward" |
| 01:10.47 | JeffM2501 | A = set 50% B = set 75% C = Set 100% |
| 01:11.01 | blast007 | as it is, if 'slowKeyboard' is enabled, the arrow does half speed |
| 01:11.08 | Djpenguin | ahh i know what u mean |
| 01:11.23 | Djpenguin | well, when none are toggled, its at 100 |
| 01:11.26 | JeffM2501 | were youthinking of like making a "forward 50%" key? |
| 01:11.39 | Djpenguin | i was thinking of a 50 percent key |
| 01:11.45 | JeffM2501 | the "slow keyboard" state is what is toggled, not the arrows |
| 01:11.45 | Djpenguin | then arrows to move forward or back |
| 01:11.55 | JeffM2501 | ok, then how do you go boack to 100%? |
| 01:12.09 | Djpenguin | well i guess i would need to add a 100% key |
| 01:12.17 | JeffM2501 | then you don't want toggles |
| 01:12.20 | JeffM2501 | you want multiple sets |
| 01:12.26 | JeffM2501 | one for each speed |
| 01:12.29 | Djpenguin | Yes |
| 01:12.41 | Djpenguin | But would i need to include each variable possible? |
| 01:12.45 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 01:12.52 | Djpenguin | I cant just change one from say 75 to 74 |
| 01:12.52 | JeffM2501 | look at the radar stuff like Erroneous mentioned |
| 01:13.02 | JeffM2501 | it works in a similar manner |
| 01:13.33 | JeffM2501 | you'd set the speed in the config |
| 01:14.22 | Djpenguin | So is the radar set to "true" and "false" |
| 01:14.59 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 01:14.59 | JeffM2501 | it's set to a number |
| 01:15.29 | Erroneous | bind 1 down "set displayRadarRange 0.25", bind 2 down "set displayRadarRange 0.5", bind 3 down "set displayRadarRange 1.0", etc |
| 01:15.59 | JeffM2501 | just be sure to init it to 1 ;) |
| 01:16.01 | Djpenguin | Ohh, I see |
| 01:25.24 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, just so you know, It's like a 3 line change |
| 01:25.38 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: I haven't been able to find those 3 lines.. |
| 01:26.00 | JeffM2501 | I've finished it |
| 01:26.13 | a_meteorite | can I ask where at so as to learn? :) |
| 01:26.21 | JeffM2501 | doMotion |
| 01:26.31 | JeffM2501 | and defaultBZDB |
| 01:26.40 | a_meteorite | k |
| 01:27.03 | JeffM2501 | it's not a default bind so I don't belive you need to add anything to the action binding stuff |
| 01:27.41 | JeffM2501 | ok so maybe it's a 6 line change |
| 01:27.46 | JeffM2501 | 2 parts in doMotion need it |
| 01:33.59 | JeffM2501 | you want the patch? |
| 01:41.34 | delusional_ | jeffm2501, i've got three sure ways to crash modeltool, from a wings-exported .obj one of them is a non-tesselated circle. the other two require a bit more research |
| 01:41.40 | delusional_ | to be sure |
| 01:41.51 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 01:41.59 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure there are objects it own't handle |
| 01:42.11 | JeffM2501 | I belive it has some hard limit on ponlygon edges |
| 01:42.19 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: yes, please |
| 01:42.24 | JeffM2501 | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/f138f78af |
| 01:42.40 | delusional_ | di-machine handles the exports, but bzfs crashes when i load the drawinfo |
| 01:42.41 | JeffM2501 | delusional_, and there are some realy out there OBJ prims that it won't read ether |
| 01:42.50 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 01:43.51 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: are you going to commit that to 2.0 and/or 2.1? I think that's one big reason djpenguin wanted it :) |
| 01:43.57 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 01:44.00 | delusional_ | wings isnt perfect, either |
| 01:44.19 | JeffM2501 | nothing is going into 2.0.x |
| 01:44.27 | JeffM2501 | release |
| 01:44.28 | JeffM2501 | soon |
| 01:44.57 | a_meteorite | 2.1 would be fine then |
| 01:45.07 | JeffM2501 | is there a massive call for it? |
| 01:45.41 | a_meteorite | well, this is the first person I've heard wanting it... but at least it'll be there for others who may decide they'd like it |
| 01:45.56 | JeffM2501 | meh |
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| 02:46.01 | brlcad | JeffM2501: I've thought about that a *lot* over the years (for bz and cad), rather familiar with the processes, paperwork, and tradeoffs |
| 02:46.44 | brlcad | it's a fair bit of work, lots of moderate benefits, really need a pressing need (like managing funds) |
| 02:47.27 | brlcad | though if that's the primary motivation, there are at least two non-profit orgs that will take care of the "business" aspects for open source projects for you |
| 02:48.01 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 02:48.29 | JeffM2501 | there is also the copyright thing ;) |
| 02:56.04 | brlcad | they'll accept that as well (with whatever stipulations) |
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| 02:56.32 | brlcad | basically an org to deal primarily with those two issues (money and copyright) |
| 02:56.49 | JeffM2501 | may not be a bad idea |
| 02:56.50 | brlcad | DTRemenak: where's your google local var block project? |
| 02:57.16 | brlcad | getting the timster to assign would be interesting |
| 02:57.32 | JeffM2501 | extabsettings? |
| 02:57.52 | brlcad | yeah, thx |
| 03:50.12 | brlcad | hah, awesomeness: http://www.ohloh.net/blog/worlds_oldest_source_code_repositories |
| 03:55.14 | AAA_awright | brlcad: Neat |
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| 05:30.24 | whodaman- | >school |
| 05:32.29 | whodaman- | ups wrong channel |
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| 10:38.41 | Manu | brlcad: BRL-CAD 1983 ... ha llovido desde entonces ;) |
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| 14:43.04 | Djpenguin | why will my irc client not let me use my same name on different channels |
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| 14:51.07 | brlcad | Manu: :) |
| 14:51.31 | brlcad | Djpenguin: you only have one username handle per connection to an irc network |
| 14:52.01 | brlcad | so you'd have to create a separate network connection to simultaneously use two different names (and in that case, they'd *have* to be different) |
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| 15:27.40 | brlcad | (aside from his writeup being a good summary of that first session's notes) |
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| 15:36.15 | brlcad | nifty, saturos has a new site up: http://bzflag.saturos.de/ |
| 15:39.11 | JeffM | the boy sure can art |
| 15:39.31 | JeffM | tho page is a little bland for my tastes |
| 15:39.50 | brlcad | yeah, lacking content, but I like his downloadie buttons |
| 15:40.06 | brlcad | http://www.silverstripe.com/google-summer-of-code-2007-mentor-summit/ if you haven't seen it |
| 15:40.14 | brlcad | pretty good notes from the first session in there |
| 15:41.04 | L4m3r | is jeff in that photo? I can't find him :P |
| 15:41.35 | JeffM | if we go next year we should take a digital recorder and record it all |
| 15:41.44 | brlcad | L4m3r: try http://bp3.blogger.com/_fxRR_bT3LgA/Rw1VzKUE4fI/AAAAAAAABNc/Sx1Yhl7PsoY/s1600-h/gsoc-mentor-summit.jpg |
| 15:41.46 | JeffM | since we can't video it |
| 15:42.03 | JeffM | I am stealth like NINJA! |
| 15:42.04 | L4m3r | granted it's been a couple of years |
| 15:42.21 | brlcad | look at the women just lining up behind him |
| 15:42.25 | L4m3r | I've seen brlcad and DTR a bit more recently :P |
| 15:42.32 | JeffM | the awesomness of DTRemenak and brlcad hides me from the camera |
| 15:43.00 | brlcad | JeffM: you mean audio? |
| 15:43.03 | JeffM | yes |
| 15:43.07 | brlcad | yeah, I was thinking that too |
| 15:43.16 | brlcad | though really hard to hear some sessions, but better than nothing |
| 15:43.28 | JeffM | if we go next year, and when we see who gets to go :) |
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| 15:44.26 | L4m3r | too bad you can't video the whole thing |
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| 15:45.02 | JeffM | yeah |
| 15:45.07 | JeffM | but no pictures inside |
| 15:45.13 | JeffM | so audio is as close as you can get |
| 15:45.25 | L4m3r | from the stories you've told it sounds like it'd be fun to watch :P |
| 15:45.46 | JeffM | if it's titles "social implications of source controll" no it's not |
| 15:45.59 | JeffM | bzflag as a project got pissed at that one |
| 15:46.20 | brlcad | he mentions that one |
| 15:46.32 | brlcad | that git did a bad job at "marketing" |
| 15:46.53 | brlcad | yeah |
| 15:47.04 | brlcad | f'ing annoying |
| 15:47.43 | L4m3r | >_< |
| 15:47.54 | JeffM | even in that write up, why does git have to be better, why can't it just be diferent? |
| 15:48.12 | JeffM | what is it about distributed source controll that turns them into zealots |
| 15:48.45 | L4m3r | I think linux use is just a risk factor for general zealotry |
| 15:49.01 | JeffM | this was sub zealoutry in the linux ranks |
| 15:49.32 | JeffM | it was just bizare |
| 15:49.40 | JeffM | it basicly derailed the entire session |
| 15:49.49 | JeffM | we had to activly fight to try to get it back on track |
| 15:49.56 | L4m3r | eek |
| 15:50.11 | L4m3r | you had mentioned the shouting bit |
| 15:50.47 | JeffM | yeah it was odd |
| 15:50.58 | JeffM | we were suposed to be talking about how it affected the students |
| 15:51.09 | JeffM | not a tutorial on distributed source controll |
| 15:51.27 | JeffM | if it had been "various ways to do source controll" it would have been on topic |
| 15:52.01 | L4m3r | I have a hard time complaining about source control after considering the alternative |
| 15:52.15 | JeffM | heh |
| 15:52.22 | JeffM | yeah I don't hink anyone was saying not to use it |
| 15:52.34 | L4m3r | my lab partner in compsci had never used source control before... I set up an svn repo so we could work alone |
| 15:52.49 | L4m3r | he thinks it's awesome. :P |
| 15:52.53 | JeffM | ther are just many ways to do it, and I don't think you can say one way is BETTER in all cases for all projects then any other |
| 15:53.19 | JeffM | yeah that's what our point about the students was, most were unused to it, so whatever your project used, make them use it |
| 15:53.35 | JeffM | and have public recognition and tracking of the commits and stuff |
| 15:53.42 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 15:53.52 | JeffM | cus the social implicaiton of all that is, the student's code gets reviewd by everyone, even non mentors |
| 15:54.10 | JeffM | who cares if it's git or svn, or svs, or whatnot, that's just transport |
| 15:54.44 | DTRemenak | there are different social implications for distributed systems than for centralized |
| 15:54.47 | JeffM | in some ways I think some of the projects used git's features to deter that |
| 15:54.55 | DTRemenak | that's a valid point of discussion |
| 15:55.09 | L4m3r | what exactly is so great about distributed source control? even for huge projects, it seems like a liability more than anything |
| 15:55.23 | JeffM | the people that had mentors review student code before anything I think removed an important part of the commit process |
| 15:55.25 | JeffM | FEAR |
| 15:55.26 | JeffM | ;) |
| 15:55.41 | JeffM | L4m3r, it can give you local history while you work |
| 15:55.53 | JeffM | so say, you made some changes, then need my help |
| 15:56.00 | JeffM | I sync to your reop |
| 15:56.02 | JeffM | repo |
| 15:56.04 | DTRemenak | L4m3r: essentially you have your entire repository locally |
| 15:56.11 | JeffM | pick up your chnages, work on it and help you outy |
| 15:56.13 | JeffM | then commit it |
| 15:56.28 | JeffM | my "commit" to whatever cerntral node we have, has both my history, AND your history |
| 15:56.29 | L4m3r | so there's still a central repo? |
| 15:56.31 | DTRemenak | so you can commit a patch locally, and leave it merged in your tree, without needing to constantly re-merge |
| 15:56.35 | JeffM | you can have one |
| 15:56.36 | JeffM | or you can not |
| 15:56.37 | DTRemenak | there doesn't have to be |
| 15:56.39 | JeffM | it depends how you set it up |
| 15:56.47 | DTRemenak | most people use one, because it *works better* |
| 15:56.49 | JeffM | basicly it's a REALY cool merge that keeps history |
| 15:56.53 | brlcad | and if you have one, it's purely by convention of use |
| 15:57.03 | brlcad | yeah, intelligent diffs |
| 15:57.10 | JeffM | we could use git just like we use SVN now |
| 15:57.17 | JeffM | with CIA, etc.. |
| 15:57.29 | JeffM | we'd just have one central repo that is THE thing |
| 15:57.33 | L4m3r | must make forking pretty simple :P |
| 15:57.36 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.39 | brlcad | svn could allow similar "local commits" in an off-line mode that were later uploaded |
| 15:57.43 | JeffM | and for some projects that makes sense |
| 15:57.58 | DTRemenak | svk does something similar on top of svn |
| 15:58.00 | L4m3r | yeah, I can see how it'd be really useful for the kernel folks |
| 15:58.06 | JeffM | but in many cases, if left unchecked, it lets people hide in there own little world |
| 15:58.13 | JeffM | and just slap down a massive code dump |
| 15:58.28 | JeffM | forcing them to merge, makes them be aware of the changes others have made :) |
| 15:58.29 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 15:58.38 | JeffM | that's a social implication of SVN style |
| 15:58.55 | DTRemenak | it works very well for projects with very heavy patch submission, and few committers |
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| 15:59.01 | JeffM | if we were a lot more patch based, it'd make more sense |
| 15:59.09 | DTRemenak | which is very much not a description of our project |
| 15:59.17 | brlcad | very much so, and a more important one imho than the potential for communication breakdowns |
| 16:00.00 | JeffM | brlcad, ok so go into the wiki log for the talk on SoC, and submit this log instead ;) |
| 16:00.01 | L4m3r | lucky you- I need to go to class. later! >_< |
| 16:00.57 | JeffM | it did feel good to have us all stand up and "represen" :) |
| 16:01.04 | JeffM | represent even |
| 16:02.40 | JeffM | sadly we had noone to represent at the women in open source :( |
| 16:03.02 | JeffM | tho I did get the feeling that as far as policies and stuff we arn't too bad at all |
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| 16:19.34 | Constitution | ~blast007++ |
| 16:19.44 | JeffM | is all that live? |
| 16:20.13 | Constitution | I believe not |
| 16:20.33 | blast007 | JeffM: live meaning running at images.b.o? |
| 16:20.50 | JeffM | yes |
| 16:21.26 | blast007 | no |
| 16:21.39 | JeffM | k |
| 16:21.49 | blast007 | it's not fully functional yet |
| 16:21.52 | JeffM | ahh |
| 16:21.53 | blast007 | though it's getting there |
| 16:22.33 | blast007 | the upload part works, though it could use some more validation |
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| 16:27.28 | blast007 | :) |
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| 20:50.57 | Winny | ~donny_baker++ |
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| 21:08.12 | JeffM | that should help get some of the GL out |
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| 22:03.40 | Tennessee_Jed | howdy... |
| 22:03.55 | Winny | uh, hi |
| 22:04.05 | Tennessee_Jed | i have a question... |
| 22:04.14 | Winny | k |
| 22:04.41 | Tennessee_Jed | any issues reported with bzflag and the new ubuntu (7.10) release? |
| 22:05.23 | Winny | Kind of early to tell |
| 22:05.33 | Winny | Did you install or upgrade you videocard drives? |
| 22:05.38 | Winny | s/drives/drivers |
| 22:05.58 | blast007 | what kind of issues? |
| 22:05.58 | JeffM2501 | the one in 7.10 was built for ubuntu by an ubuntu dev with a couple patches to fix the known bugs |
| 22:06.08 | Tennessee_Jed | yep...new nvidia drivers |
| 22:06.10 | JeffM2501 | so it's not exactly our standard code |
| 22:06.15 | JeffM2501 | but it should work |
| 22:06.19 | Tennessee_Jed | i built my own... |
| 22:06.25 | blast007 | 2.0.8? |
| 22:06.26 | Tennessee_Jed | from 2.0.8 source |
| 22:06.39 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 22:06.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah that won't work |
| 22:06.51 | Tennessee_Jed | tickless kernel wouldn't be a problem would it? |
| 22:06.55 | JeffM2501 | you want svn code, or 2.0.10 RC3 |
| 22:07.15 | JeffM2501 | no there is a bug with float packing on some nix systems in .8 |
| 22:07.32 | JeffM2501 | also lots of dual core fixes |
| 22:07.32 | Tennessee_Jed | i compiled with fno-strict-aliasing... |
| 22:08.04 | Tennessee_Jed | that should work around the packing issue, right? |
| 22:08.07 | JeffM2501 | are you on an MD64? |
| 22:08.12 | JeffM2501 | AMD64 |
| 22:08.14 | Tennessee_Jed | nope athlon xp |
| 22:08.44 | Tennessee_Jed | ran my own 2.0.8 w/o incident before upgrade to ubuntu 7.10 |
| 22:08.47 | JeffM2501 | I'd recomend .10rc3 |
| 22:09.01 | Tennessee_Jed | is it publicly available? |
| 22:10.09 | JeffM2501 | the code is in subversion |
| 22:10.16 | JeffM2501 | and there are tarbals on our fourms |
| 22:10.41 | Tennessee_Jed | mofo's running 2.0.10 RC3...would that be a problem for a 2.0.8 client? |
| 22:10.48 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 22:10.49 | L4m3r | no |
| 22:10.55 | JeffM2501 | all the 2.0.x clients are compatable |
| 22:11.03 | JeffM2501 | compatability breaks at 2.1 |
| 22:11.05 | L4m3r | mofo has been running on 2.0.9 for over a year anyway, I bet :P |
| 22:11.24 | Tennessee_Jed | hmmm... |
| 22:11.35 | JeffM2501 | what exact issues are you having? |
| 22:11.49 | JeffM2501 | if any |
| 22:12.09 | Tennessee_Jed | pauses of 1-2 seconds every 10-15 seconds...whole app pauses, not just gameplay... |
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| 22:12.29 | JeffM2501 | and your single core? |
| 22:12.39 | JeffM2501 | XP yeah you would be |
| 22:12.43 | Tennessee_Jed | yep...but running 2.6.22 (tickless) kernel... |
| 22:12.46 | JeffM2501 | dunno |
| 22:13.12 | JeffM2501 | .8 did have some time issues |
| 22:13.18 | JeffM2501 | mostly they showed with dual core |
| 22:13.24 | JeffM2501 | but maybe the kernel could do it too |
| 22:13.27 | Tennessee_Jed | glxgears runs fine...only gl app i have to test things against... |
| 22:13.54 | JeffM2501 | dosn't mean anything |
| 22:14.13 | Tennessee_Jed | .22 has been out for a while, though...you probably would have heard something by now... |
| 22:14.16 | JeffM2501 | glxgrears is a very simple text, it does not do the same things as a real game. |
| 22:14.28 | JeffM2501 | not nesisaraly |
| 22:15.11 | Tennessee_Jed | well, i dunno...only change between yesterday and today is 7.04 to 7.10... |
| 22:15.32 | Tennessee_Jed | i'll go bark on the ubuntu forums, i guess... |
| 22:15.33 | ruskie | that's a HUGE change I think |
| 22:16.10 | Tennessee_Jed | thanks... |
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| 22:45.20 | L4m3r | d'ur :P |
| 22:56.06 | blast007 | Djpenguin: unless you say CTF or rabbit, it will be FFA |
| 22:56.14 | blast007 | 2.1 adds a new open FFA |
| 22:56.31 | blast007 | but still defaults to the old style FFA |
| 23:00.02 | Djpenguin | -c is ctf right? |
| 23:00.12 | Djpenguin | havent put up my server in foreva forgot all of this |
| 23:01.16 | whodaman- | Djpenguin, yes |
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| 23:11.21 | blast007 | Djpenguin: bzfs -help :P |
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