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| 00:44.45 | Djpenguin | Winny thanks for the new textures :) |
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| 01:51.37 | JeffM | man is our CIA bot busted or what |
| 01:51.55 | JeffM | :( |
| 01:52.01 | Winny | oh... you fast typed |
| 01:52.13 | Winny | better typer, too :p |
| 01:52.38 | JeffM | tried to make it inactive on the website, but I get an error :( |
| 01:53.33 | JeffM | tho oddly I can edit the ruleset |
| 01:57.58 | blast007 | yeah, doesn't even respond to a CTCP ping |
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| 02:27.15 | brlcad | inchworm: have you tried the compiled binary at http://beta.bzflag.bz/builds/2.0.x/MacOSX/ ? |
| 02:27.27 | brlcad | inchworm: particularly the one that says 10.4 |
| 02:27.30 | inchworm | nope |
| 02:27.35 | inchworm | i grabbed from svn |
| 02:27.49 | brlcad | see if that still gives you the NSGlyph error |
| 02:28.09 | inchworm | brlcad: will try here in a moment |
| 02:28.30 | inchworm | downloading now |
| 02:28.59 | JeffM | I should have totaly goten the camera :\ |
| 02:31.28 | JeffM | yeah she's busted |
| 02:31.35 | JeffM | can't even boot her from the channel on the web interface |
| 02:31.40 | JeffM | generates an internal error |
| 02:38.14 | inchworm | brlcad: looking good, i'm actually able to raom |
| 02:38.17 | inchworm | *roam |
| 02:38.38 | inchworm | hehe lasermania at 28 people :) |
| 02:41.21 | brlcad | inchworm: good to hear it -- it's your version of sdl |
| 02:41.26 | brlcad | mismatch with sdlmain |
| 02:41.36 | inchworm | intersting |
| 02:41.53 | inchworm | i installed sdl because it would compile without it |
| 02:42.01 | inchworm | u*wouldn't |
| 02:42.16 | brlcad | it will, just probably requires some settings being tweaked |
| 02:42.37 | inchworm | hehe, had problems aboutvirtual functions |
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| 02:49.40 | inchworm | brlcad: I compiled with 1.2.12. Ther version you supplied looks like it is 1.2.11 |
| 02:49.45 | inchworm | just FYI |
| 02:51.23 | JeffM | .12 is the one that has a problem ;) |
| 02:51.33 | inchworm | :) |
| 02:52.55 | inchworm | hmm the SDL site isn't offering anything other than .12 |
| 02:54.20 | JeffM | nope |
| 02:54.47 | inchworm | break without leaving the last stable version :) |
| 02:54.59 | JeffM | .12 was done long ago |
| 02:55.06 | JeffM | they probably didn't know 10.5 was going to break them |
| 02:55.07 | inchworm | nice. i'll have to try to not do that myself in the future |
| 02:55.24 | inchworm | but i'm on 10.4 |
| 02:55.26 | inchworm | ? |
| 02:55.29 | JeffM | ahh |
| 02:55.33 | JeffM | ok, then they suck |
| 02:55.41 | inchworm | hehe |
| 02:55.44 | JeffM | probably some update to 10.4 that is also in 10.5 |
| 02:55.56 | JeffM | they haven't done anything in their svn since september |
| 02:56.01 | inchworm | bummer |
| 02:56.08 | JeffM | I don't get the feeling SDL is active in dev much anymore |
| 02:56.44 | inchworm | hmm i wouldn't know.. its been out a long time |
| 02:56.55 | inchworm | i guess they could be considered mature |
| 02:57.23 | inchworm | so maybe it'll be awhile till a fix comes out probably |
| 02:57.53 | JeffM | up untill september they had many commits per month |
| 02:58.06 | inchworm | ahh |
| 02:58.32 | inchworm | so the last guy left and didn't turn out the lightes? |
| 02:58.42 | JeffM | hard to say |
| 02:59.02 | JeffM | they may just be on vacation |
| 02:59.06 | inchworm | true |
| 02:59.30 | inchworm | i'll be patient :) i only really updated for norangs admin party today |
| 03:01.32 | JeffM | you sure it's reported? |
| 03:02.40 | inchworm | no clue |
| 03:03.00 | inchworm | google search for sdlmain problem SDL 1.2.12 doesn't get me much |
| 03:04.20 | inchworm | http://www.nabble.com/--bzflag-Bugs-1772656---mac-OS-X-BZFlag-crash-t4501793.html |
| 03:04.26 | inchworm | someone else had the same problem... |
| 03:04.27 | inchworm | from sept |
| 03:04.50 | JeffM | somehow I don't think that the SDL team reads the bugs for bzflag |
| 03:05.55 | inchworm | heh |
| 03:05.55 | inchworm | it's a reasonbly large group.. you'd think they would... |
| 03:05.57 | JeffM | huh? |
| 03:06.38 | inchworm | nevermind. I mis read your comment |
| 03:29.51 | brlcad | it's not necessarily an sdl bug |
| 03:30.33 | brlcad | folks have to realize that there are two parts .. libsdl and sdlmain, they're probably just out of sync (which would be your fault for using a newer libsdl with an older sdlmain) |
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| 03:37.04 | brlcad | CIA-22: BZFlag: brlcad * bzflag/configure.ac: if we can use the OpenGL framework (which presently is a Darwin-specific feature), then specifically do not check for X11 functionality. this fixes a problem on Mac OS X 10.5 where there are both X11 and Aqua frameworks for OpenGL and the new ld in 10.5 chokes when it finds both. stupid ld behavior, but shouldn't be searching X11R6 anyways. |
| 03:37.33 | purple_cow | haha |
| 03:38.11 | brlcad | po' man's cia |
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| 04:01.40 | Winny | lol |
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| 07:16.08 | a_meteorite | ~admins |
| 07:16.17 | a_meteorite | ~bigredbutton |
| 07:16.34 | a_meteorite | meh, brlcad, DTRemenak.. http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11695 |
| 07:16.52 | a_meteorite | or even blast007 |
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| 11:58.39 | kaskayou | salut ts le monde |
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| 14:10.10 | brlcad | if anyone is interested in our google summit attendance: http://googlesummerofcode.blogspot.com/2007/11/notes-from-mentor-summit.html |
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| 14:46.13 | donny_baker | brlcad, JeffM, DTRemenak: You guys look nothing like you sound on IRC :P |
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| 15:56.53 | inchworm | http://bp3.blogger.com/_fxRR_bT3LgA/Rw1VzKUE4fI/AAAAAAAABNc/Sx1Yhl7PsoY/s1600-h/gsoc-mentor-summit.jpg <--- I need names for these faces! |
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| 16:40.42 | Pimpinella | where would configure search for gl.h? |
| 16:41.05 | Pimpinella | it's in /usr/include, but configure complains it's missing |
| 16:46.52 | JeffM | thats actualy a generic error |
| 16:47.03 | JeffM | check your configure log and see exacty what failed |
| 16:47.21 | JeffM | you can get that error on many other problems, like not having the C++ compiler |
| 17:02.20 | Pimpinella | appears after missing sdl-image check, should be installed though |
| 17:02.32 | JeffM | sdl image isn't required |
| 17:02.52 | JeffM | so it's ok for that one to fail, it should go thru and do the rest of the checks |
| 17:05.48 | Pimpinella | http://pastebin.ca/762380 |
| 17:06.11 | Pimpinella | can't see nothing wrong... |
| 17:09.47 | JeffM | your missing the C++ compiler |
| 17:09.53 | JeffM | your on ubuntu I take it? |
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| 17:34.21 | eTangenT | ack, I knew the answer to this |
| 17:34.25 | eTangenT | I had the same thing in Ubuntu |
| 17:35.38 | brlcad | donny_baker: I don't know what you're talking about, I look exactly like how I think I sound :) |
| 17:35.59 | eTangenT | Pimpinella: I'm gonna try and find what package I installed to fix that |
| 17:36.33 | JeffM | eTangenT, it was ether the g++ or the c++ one |
| 17:36.37 | brlcad | actually, most of the bzflag folks that I've met have been almost spot on what I figured |
| 17:36.44 | brlcad | SportChick was probably the one exception so far.. |
| 17:37.00 | JeffM | Dave and Micha were oposete for me |
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| 17:40.50 | eTangenT | JeffM: That sounds about right |
| 17:41.03 | eTangenT | cuz I remember having the OpenGL dev packages already |
| 17:42.27 | eTangenT | I don't seem to recall what it was that I did |
| 17:44.03 | eTangenT | I suppose I can look through logs |
| 17:46.18 | brlcad | donny_baker: better panorama at http://www.photopla.net/071006google/ if you know who you're looking for |
| 17:46.37 | eTangenT | JeffM: Yeah, apparently it was installing g++ that fixed it. |
| 17:46.42 | eTangenT | As per an old log I found on the issue. |
| 17:46.46 | eTangenT | <3 ibot |
| 17:47.51 | JeffM | yeah the sample programs it makes kinda assumes C++ will be there |
| 17:48.06 | JeffM | not sure why ubuntu dosn't install it by default |
| 17:51.40 | eTangenT | Yeah. It's the only one I've seen that does that. |
| 17:55.22 | Pimpinella | ehrm... |
| 17:55.40 | donny_baker | brlcad: That is a better picture :) |
| 17:55.59 | Pimpinella | i never looked that far up in the configure output... |
| 17:56.26 | Pimpinella | there's actually g++, so no idea why it assumes there's not |
| 17:58.07 | donny_baker | brlcad: JeffM looks more like I imagined in the panorama, I didn't have either of you with facial hair in my mind :P |
| 17:58.40 | Pimpinella | ok, got it. |
| 17:58.52 | Pimpinella | so simpöe, was messed up alternatives |
| 18:00.13 | Pimpinella | so, why did nobody tell me i didn't have a c++ compiler? |
| 18:02.44 | Pimpinella | JeffM: i'm on debian, and that why i not even looked at the c++ checks ... g++ is nearly always present unless you uninstall it willingly |
| 18:03.01 | Pimpinella | but i have no idea what broke alternatives |
| 18:15.45 | JeffM | so debian dosn't install it by default ether? |
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| 19:07.30 | Pimpinella | JeffM: as far as i know it installs compilers by default, however it's quite a while since i installed it |
| 19:08.04 | Pimpinella | last time is years ago and though it was a minimal installation i had to uninstall it |
| 19:09.33 | Pimpinella | in this case g++ was installed, but configure tests failed because some links were pointed on a no longer existing version of g++ |
| 19:09.44 | Pimpinella | no idea why this was messed up |
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| 19:10.50 | Pimpinella | :( |
| 19:11.00 | Pimpinella | but still bzflag kills my xserver |
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| 21:03.07 | JeffM | :( |
| 21:03.52 | tannerld | Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today to mourn the death of a loved one, CIA-22.... |
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| 21:06.32 | ruskie | Tupone, happened with 2.0.8 as well |
| 21:06.43 | ruskie | also with narrow flag being picked up |
| 21:06.49 | ruskie | but it is less noticable |
| 21:07.36 | BenUrban | what happened to CIA-22? |
| 21:07.41 | JeffM2501 | it's been busted for a while |
| 21:07.50 | JeffM2501 | sometimes kicking it forces the server to add us a new one |
| 21:07.53 | BenUrban | i see |
| 21:09.59 | Constitution | screen -R |
| 21:10.04 | Constitution | oops |
| 21:10.14 | JeffM2501 | command not found, please enter root password |
| 21:10.22 | Constitution | password |
| 21:10.36 | Tupone | ruskie: could you try earlier release |
| 21:10.36 | Constitution | oh, oops again |
| 21:16.48 | JeffM2501 | damn I can't even connect to our CIA bot via the web interface :( |
| 21:17.04 | ruskie | Tupone, I'll try... how far back? |
| 21:17.18 | tannerld | JeffM2501: wait 3 days for his resurrection :P |
| 21:17.26 | Tupone | 2.0 ? |
| 21:17.39 | ruskie | that far? |
| 21:17.42 | JeffM2501 | you presume too much |
| 21:18.38 | ruskie | I guess I'll try 2.0.6 and if that doesn't solve it go back to the next stable... |
| 21:19.09 | JeffM2501 | heh.. stable |
| 21:19.34 | ruskie | trying to find the origin of my zbuffer issues |
| 21:19.46 | JeffM2501 | didn't you say it was with your mesa build? |
| 21:19.50 | ruskie | it works in software mode(which is what I was apparently running after downgrading) |
| 21:19.56 | JeffM2501 | cus I'm beting it's GL, not bz |
| 21:20.09 | ruskie | but as soon as I switched to hardware driver I had it again |
| 21:20.26 | JeffM2501 | well then sounds like your hardware drive is buggy |
| 21:21.44 | ruskie | I'll try 2.0.6 first... if even that shows the same issue I'll assume the driver or the hardware |
| 21:21.47 | JeffM2501 | GL is GL, your not suposed to have to do anything difrent for hardware, that's the point of it |
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| 21:22.10 | JeffM2501 | if it was a general GL issue, it'd have done it in both drivers |
| 21:22.21 | JeffM2501 | i.e. we wernt' clearing the depth mask or something |
| 21:22.58 | ruskie | "2007-10-17 18:33:02<_anomaly_> i think the narrowwithdepth might have played with the z buffer, can't remember for sure" <-- he mentioned the same issue |
| 21:23.32 | JeffM2501 | the narrow width is applied way after the depth buffer is setup |
| 21:23.40 | JeffM2501 | they are very difrent things |
| 21:23.43 | ruskie | but it happens only when narrow flag is picked up |
| 21:23.48 | JeffM2501 | hmmm |
| 21:24.02 | JeffM2501 | wonder if your driver dosn't like the scale matrix to go that thin |
| 21:24.24 | ruskie | I can play for hours with no issues then someone picks up narrow and poof suddenly everything is broken |
| 21:24.55 | ruskie | also noticed that if for example I have narrow or am observing someone with narrow directly behind(following) the issue doesn't appear |
| 21:26.04 | JeffM2501 | sounds like the narrow matrix triggers your driver to geek |
| 21:26.06 | JeffM2501 | what driver is it? |
| 21:26.10 | JeffM2501 | dri? or ATI? |
| 21:27.16 | ruskie | dri |
| 21:27.23 | ruskie | r200 |
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| 21:27.49 | JeffM2501 | let me find the narrow scale section and maybe you can try to comment that out |
| 21:27.58 | JeffM2501 | to get arround your buggy driver |
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| 21:29.46 | JeffM2501 | comment out line 249 in TankSceneNode.cxx |
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| 21:30.41 | JeffM2501 | see if that helps you |
| 21:30.47 | ruskie | will do |
| 21:32.43 | JeffM2501 | I'm guessing that it dosn't like polygon offset |
| 21:33.10 | ruskie | well I'll know when it builds... |
| 21:33.51 | JeffM2501 | do you run with track marks on or off? |
| 21:34.05 | ruskie | track marks on |
| 21:34.19 | ruskie | I like to spot CLs :) |
| 21:34.39 | JeffM2501 | ahh we set the depth func when we are in polygon offset mode |
| 21:34.48 | JeffM2501 | I'm guessing it dosn't like that |
| 21:35.15 | JeffM2501 | that's the only case where we modify anything with depth buffer |
| 21:35.26 | JeffM2501 | ether that or you can't do GL_LESSTHAN |
| 21:35.46 | JeffM2501 | let me know if that works, I may have a small fix I can do that would maybe work for you, and still work for others |
| 21:36.51 | ruskie | sure thing |
| 21:37.12 | JeffM2501 | wen can probably set the depth mode before and after the offset, not in the middle |
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| 21:41.49 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, does ibot support RSS feed annoucments? |
| 21:43.56 | JeffM2501 | techincaly we an use another bot and an RSS feed untill CIA gets fixed |
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| 22:03.39 | JeffM2501 | poor TimRiker |
| 22:22.03 | ruskie | JeffM2501, that fixed it |
| 22:22.09 | JeffM2501 | ok cool] |
| 22:22.16 | JeffM2501 | then turn that line back on |
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| 22:22.41 | JeffM2501 | and lets go to line 1047 |
| 22:22.51 | JeffM2501 | that should put you in a method called void TankSceneNode::TankRenderNode::renderNarrowWithDepth() |
| 22:23.05 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: yes. but the rss auto-update is in flux at the moment. |
| 22:23.05 | JeffM2501 | find the line below that, that has glDepthFunc(GL_LEQUAL); |
| 22:23.17 | TimRiker | blootbot is merging back into the parent infobot project. |
| 22:23.25 | JeffM2501 | and move that up to the line just after the first { in that method |
| 22:23.35 | TimRiker | that and my internet connection here at the office sux. |
| 22:23.36 | JeffM2501 | and find the line that says glDepthFunc(GL_LESS); |
| 22:23.49 | JeffM2501 | and move that down to before the last } of the method. |
| 22:23.57 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, still? |
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| 22:24.05 | TimRiker | ~literal slashdot |
| 22:24.08 | ibot | "slashdot" is "http://slashdot.org, or they're so lame they had to interview unknown_lamer for more content" |
| 22:24.08 | JeffM2501 | wasn't that like years and years ago you started that merge |
| 22:24.27 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, so it won't do a poll and announce changes? |
| 22:24.33 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: well it was talked about for a long time. it's actually happening now. |
| 22:24.59 | JeffM2501 | I'm looking to use an RSS feed to do the job CIA did untill CIA gets fixed |
| 22:25.00 | TimRiker | it will, but it's unstable atm. I need to merge in the latest patches first. |
| 22:25.19 | JeffM2501 | what section of the help describes it? |
| 22:26.00 | TimRiker | none as far as I know yet. though with the patches I think there's help too. |
| 22:26.17 | JeffM2501 | ruskie, if you cant' get that changed, let me know and I can make you a patch |
| 22:26.31 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, so the format is just to give ibot the factoid about it? |
| 22:27.09 | TimRiker | that works for just reading one. an admin needs to add the channel rss watches. |
| 22:27.16 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 22:27.22 | ruskie | JeffM2501, before the return? or after it? |
| 22:27.23 | JeffM2501 | then simpler to just start a supybot |
| 22:27.39 | ruskie | the GL_LESS |
| 22:27.39 | JeffM2501 | ruskie, before the return for the last one |
| 22:27.40 | JeffM2501 | sorry |
| 22:27.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah nothing happens after the return :) |
| 22:27.57 | JeffM2501 | and be sure to remove that commented line in the first part |
| 22:28.08 | JeffM2501 | cus if that works for you I can just commit the change. |
| 22:28.21 | ruskie | yup I already restored taht line |
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| 22:28.26 | JeffM2501 | it'll still be a bug in your driver, but this may work around your non standard GL |
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| 22:29.46 | ruskie | well I'm heading to bed... so I'll try this in the morning... |
| 22:30.02 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 22:30.05 | JeffM2501 | let me know |
| 22:30.13 | ruskie | of course |
| 22:30.23 | ruskie | anyway my brain wants to shut down... |
| 22:30.27 | JeffM2501 | or get off DRI ;) |
| 22:30.46 | ruskie | if the issue is found I'll bug the dri ppl :) |
| 22:31.04 | JeffM2501 | well you know the issue is in DRI, cus software works |
| 22:31.12 | JeffM2501 | and software is the refrence implemenation |
| 22:31.28 | TimRiker | ~rss http://rss.slashdot.org/Slashdot/slashdot |
| 22:31.53 | ruskie | I'll have to file a bug and hope it will actually get some attention... so far all the bugs I put forth to X people got 0 responses... |
| 22:32.01 | ruskie | anyway sleep... nyx all |
| 22:32.04 | JeffM2501 | ~rss http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag/.rss |
| 22:32.25 | JeffM2501 | hmm not that usefull of a dump |
| 22:33.45 | TimRiker | well, that's what is shows in a browser too. |
| 22:34.00 | JeffM2501 | not in mine |
| 22:34.09 | JeffM2501 | I get the commiter, revistion, branch, etc. |
| 22:35.02 | JeffM2501 | probably just how the fields are laid out |
| 22:35.19 | TimRiker | ah.. in the description. yeah, complete with lots of html markup. |
| 22:36.16 | TimRiker | like so: <div style="border: 1px solid #888; background-color: #DDD; padding: 0.25em 0.5em; margin: 0em;">Commit by <strong>JeffM2501</strong><span style="color: #888;"> :: </span>r<b>16159</b> |
| 22:36.35 | TimRiker | would you rather have that in the channel? |
| 22:36.45 | JeffM2501 | nope, I'd epect the bot to parse it ;) |
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| 22:37.34 | JeffM2501 | I also think I can get a feed sans that |
| 22:38.24 | JeffM2501 | ibot rss http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag/.rss?ver=2&medium=plaintext&limit= |
| 22:38.25 | TimRiker | the bot is only looking at rss titles atm. happy to add other bits if Someone(tm) wants to code it up. |
| 22:38.43 | JeffM2501 | oh if I was going to code it up, it'd not be in perl ;) |
| 22:39.14 | TimRiker | feel free to write your own bot in whatever language you like. :) |
| 22:39.26 | JeffM2501 | allready have, libIRC has a sample one |
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| 22:39.43 | JeffM2501 | was mostly just curios what the ibot could do, since I had seen some uses of RSS with it |
| 22:39.53 | JeffM2501 | at least it has some now, I remember when it didnt :) |
| 22:40.14 | TimRiker | :) |
| 22:41.24 | TimRiker | should be a simple addition to get rss descriptions instead of titles. |
| 22:41.52 | JeffM2501 | but then I would have to touch perl and that would cause me to forfit my eternal soul |
| 22:42.25 | ruskie | JeffM2501, just saw it finished building and tried it... it worked |
| 22:42.36 | JeffM2501 | ok cool, and it looks normal and everything? |
| 22:42.39 | ruskie | yup |
| 22:42.49 | JeffM2501 | ok, then I'll commit it to branch and trunk |
| 22:44.34 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.47 | JeffM2501 | because there may be other thigns that they don't do well that are related. |
| 22:45.32 | JeffM2501 | ahh in trunk we pulled the depth mode change, probably for similar reasons |
| 22:45.43 | JeffM2501 | stupid buggy drivers |
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| 23:56.32 | Winny | new lappy? |
| 23:56.38 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 23:56.49 | Winny | :o |
| 23:56.56 | tannerld | :o |
| 23:57.23 | JeffM2501 | DHL says they got it last night |
| 23:58.52 | JeffM2501 | tho I guess I shuold be happy, it wasn't suposed to ship till the 8th, so 4 days early ain't bad |
| 23:58.58 | JeffM2501 | and I got a good deal on it |
| 23:59.30 | Winny | What kind of lappy? |
| 23:59.33 | Winny | mac? ;) |
| 23:59.36 | JeffM2501 | 2.2 gig core 2 |
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| 23:59.42 | JeffM2501 | 15 inch display |
| 23:59.49 | Winny | how much was it? |
| 23:59.55 | JeffM2501 | GeForce 8600 w/ 256 megs of ram |
