| 00:03.41 | spldart | what is anisotropic and should I use it on windows ver of bzflag? |
| 00:04.00 | Macrosoft | spldart: it involves textures |
| 00:04.28 | Constitution | antialiasing, iirc |
| 00:04.30 | Macrosoft | spldart: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anisotropic_filtering |
| 00:04.34 | spldart | Was in my display settings on a fresh install |
| 00:05.09 | Macrosoft | spldart: its optional, will lower your fps some |
| 00:05.57 | spldart | hrm ok thanks |
| 00:13.45 | spldart | woah... impressive... maxed it out and it really helps |
| 00:17.26 | Macrosoft | spldart: what card are you using? |
| 00:17.45 | spldart | This is that new/old parts machine I built.... Geforce 5200 FX |
| 00:17.58 | spldart | With Barton 2500 |
| 00:18.19 | spldart | Haven't built the nvidia module for debian yet |
| 00:18.44 | Macrosoft | spldart: i finally got mine working in ubuntu |
| 00:18.54 | spldart | sweet |
| 00:21.51 | Macrosoft | spldart: btw, the linux nvidia drivers dont support anisotropic |
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| 00:33.53 | nn-main | Jeffm? |
| 00:35.03 | *** join/#bzflag bier_ (n=bier@p54A53317.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 00:35.21 | nn-main | hi |
| 00:35.41 | Macrosoft | nn-main: hes not here |
| 00:37.07 | nn-main | ? |
| 00:37.20 | nn-main | i cant seem to start servers? |
| 00:37.41 | Macrosoft | any errors? |
| 00:39.40 | spldart | Just need good gl direct... and I'll be happy |
| 00:40.01 | Winny | Macrosoft: we |
| 00:40.04 | Winny | oops |
| 00:40.07 | Winny | we're suppost to guess! |
| 00:40.34 | Winny | lol |
| 00:40.46 | Winny | 379549490! |
| 00:40.54 | Macrosoft | ok...is your error 0x3F? |
| 00:41.27 | *** join/#bzflag the (n=user@cpe-204-210-181-211.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 00:42.16 | the | Q: Does anyone know why my mouse pointer centers when I spawn? |
| 00:42.40 | Macrosoft | the: so you dont start off moving |
| 00:42.47 | Winny | 'cause thats the idea |
| 00:43.17 | the | ak, but what if I just use the keyboard only? |
| 00:43.33 | Macrosoft | the: then it shouldnt be a big deal |
| 00:43.49 | Macrosoft | the: it wont affect gameplay |
| 00:44.10 | the | except it does. It interferes with line of sight. |
| 00:44.31 | Macrosoft | 0_o how big is your mouse pointer? |
| 00:45.21 | the | standard size but it is perfectly in the middle. I do move it, but when I die, it re-centers. and so on... |
| 00:45.34 | Winny | thats just a fact of life |
| 00:45.42 | Winny | if you use the keys, the mouse is ignored |
| 00:46.41 | Macrosoft | Winny: is the pointer used by bz in the same folder as the textures (as in, can he just edit it) |
| 00:47.00 | the | hmm. But this behavior seem to have started in 2.0.8. |
| 00:47.16 | Macrosoft | Winny: like make a transparent pointer or something |
| 00:47.22 | Winny | Macrosoft: uh |
| 00:47.30 | Winny | the pointer used by BZ is the OS pointer. |
| 00:47.31 | Winny | ... |
| 00:47.42 | the | yes, it is the OS pointer. |
| 00:47.42 | nn-main | it seems i got delisted because i didn't see jeffm's worning untill today when he sent it yesterday |
| 00:47.49 | Macrosoft | Winny: not for me |
| 00:47.53 | nn-main | any way i can get relisted |
| 00:48.01 | nn-main | on the server listings |
| 00:48.04 | nn-main | ? |
| 00:48.12 | Macrosoft | nn-main: wait till jeff show up and ask him about it |
| 00:48.17 | Macrosoft | *shows |
| 00:48.24 | nn-main | whens that |
| 00:48.40 | Winny | some time |
| 00:49.39 | the | hmmm. is there some sort of hack that I can do for the mouse pointer? |
| 00:49.56 | Winny | probably |
| 00:50.07 | Macrosoft | the: dont know, depends on if it is an os specific pointer |
| 00:50.16 | Winny | just gotta be careful.. too much modding can be considered cheating |
| 00:50.47 | Macrosoft | my normal pointer is white, but in bz it's black with a thin white outline |
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| 00:51.17 | the | well, on my system, it is the OS pointer. So, I'll try something on the OS level first. |
| 00:51.49 | the-lisp-way | sorry. My nick is incorrect. |
| 00:52.14 | Winny | :p |
| 00:53.11 | the-lisp-way | LOL, ERC was highlighting "the" and I could not figure out why. :) |
| 00:53.30 | Macrosoft | ...im sure there is one, i just cant find it |
| 00:54.19 | the-lisp-way | OK, let me try some stuff and I will come back when I get stuck. |
| 00:54.30 | Macrosoft | ok found it |
| 00:54.50 | the-lisp-way | Later. |
| 00:54.56 | *** part/#bzflag the-lisp-way (n=user@cpe-204-210-181-211.neo.res.rr.com) |
| 00:54.58 | Macrosoft | bz uses the "DMZ (Black)" pointer |
| 00:55.45 | Macrosoft | ...in linux |
| 00:55.55 | Macrosoft | bbl |
| 01:05.38 | nn-main | is there any other admin other than jeffm for bzflag.org? |
| 01:06.59 | Winny | well, most of em |
| 01:09.47 | nn-main | Winny, any one who can remove me for the delisted on the bzflag names server ;; I apoligized to jeffm in forum but he isn't here now |
| 01:10.10 | Winny | yeah, most of the people who are voiced in here have access to the listserver, IIRC. |
| 01:14.59 | Constitution | nn-main: if JeffM was the one who delisted you, he's probably the best one to handle it, even if others are capable of doing it |
| 01:15.28 | Constitution | since he knows exactly what the situation is |
| 01:17.07 | Constitution | Winny: there are probably as many non-voiced users in here who have listserver access as there are voiced users |
| 01:17.52 | nn-main | here is his pm to me i comply fully with his terms unforenetlly I think i broke them because i didn't see them untill today and yesterday when i was doing it was when he swnt it:::: here is his message |
| 01:18.04 | nn-main | Please stop using bots to increase your ranking in the server list. If you wish to keep the bots, upgrade the server |
| 01:18.14 | nn-main | to 2.0.10 so the bots arn't reported. |
| 01:18.25 | nn-main | failure to do so will cause your servers(s) to be delisted |
| 01:19.05 | Constitution | nn-main: it's an issue between the two of you, probably best to let him handle it like I said |
| 01:19.17 | nn-main | kk |
| 01:22.36 | DTRemenak | nn-main: assuming you're pythonian, you are currently listed |
| 01:23.02 | Constitution | different server, I believe |
| 01:23.54 | nn-main | no it was bzfmaps.net |
| 01:24.14 | nn-main | the most major problem is i host others |
| 01:24.30 | nn-main | so the people i host cant host |
| 01:24.53 | DTRemenak | you also currently have two servers listed |
| 01:25.15 | nn-main | he sugested 2.0.10 dosen't work corectly i tryed it |
| 01:25.39 | DTRemenak | what does "doesn't work correctly" mean? |
| 01:25.53 | nn-main | i have 3 servers linuxmain.net (working ) userbin.net (not used) and bzfmaps.net (main) |
| 01:26.38 | nn-main | bzfmaps.net is not being acceped to the list server |
| 01:26.55 | DTRemenak | bzfmaps.net:5101 and :5102 are both currently on the list |
| 01:27.19 | nn-main | n? |
| 01:27.24 | nn-main | k? |
| 01:27.25 | nn-main | brb |
| 01:27.46 | nn-main | hu? |
| 01:28.09 | nn-main | ok ...... ?? maby it's not the list server |
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| 01:29.41 | gnu-sense | there are some config options that don't work in 2.0.10, right? |
| 01:29.55 | DTRemenak | one or two may have been changed |
| 01:31.42 | nn-main | but it wont except pings or server tags which makes them not show up on the list |
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| 01:32.21 | DTRemenak | shows up fine for me |
| 01:34.05 | gnu-sense | mystix ctf and long base lazer sniping |
| 01:34.16 | gnu-sense | they show up for me |
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| 01:35.41 | ShadowSpectre | How can the banlist be checked? |
| 01:36.59 | Winny | /banlist |
| 01:37.49 | ShadowSpectre | I ran into a miscreant this morning and he claimed to be banned but was still logging in. He was a registered player to boot. |
| 01:38.09 | ShadowSpectre | Makes me wonder how Snakes11 does it |
| 01:38.34 | gnu-sense | sometimes they change ips |
| 01:38.51 | ShadowSpectre | The CAN system should change all that, correct? |
| 01:38.55 | nn-main | ik it wosent the list |
| 01:39.16 | nn-main | it was somthing else on my server ... works now |
| 01:39.51 | gnu-sense | idk about that. maybe ask AAA |
| 01:41.40 | Winny | ShadowSpectre: on bloodbath? |
| 01:51.43 | AAA_Awright | ShadowSpectre: Hi |
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| 01:57.27 | delusional_ | constitution pong |
| 01:58.06 | Winny | he *just* left like 3 min ago |
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| 01:58.10 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v bryjen] by ChanServ |
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| 02:08.12 | Macrosoft | nn-main: he's here |
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| 02:09.46 | Winny | JeffM: nn-main wants to come into your office |
| 02:10.10 | gnu-sense | actually, i think he said his prob is resolved |
| 02:10.19 | Winny | oh? |
| 02:11.22 | JeffM | Winny, once again, we'll take care of it |
| 02:11.31 | JeffM | I have messages from him that I am reading. |
| 02:11.35 | Winny | oh, ok |
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| 02:32.56 | Winny | any idea what would be causing this kind of error? |
| 02:32.59 | Winny | "Player donny_baker [1] removed at 2007-11-23 21:18:15: send queue too big" |
| 02:33.58 | Winny | seems to be happening to random people... I can't figure out what's causing it |
| 02:34.45 | Winny | non-registered players, registered, and adminized players get it.. |
| 02:35.09 | JeffM | server isn't sending out data fast enough |
| 02:35.26 | JeffM | basicly it's something that needs to be redone so it dosn't happen |
| 02:35.39 | JeffM | or you have some messages that are bigger then a packet |
| 02:35.54 | Winny | could it be the srvmsg? |
| 02:36.11 | JeffM | how long is it? |
| 02:36.22 | Winny | the server is on 10mbit, so it shouldn't be an issue.. |
| 02:36.36 | JeffM | it's not a bandwith thing |
| 02:36.40 | JeffM | it's a buffer thing |
| 02:36.49 | Winny | 20 lines :p |
| 02:37.32 | JeffM | yeah it wasn't meant for that |
| 02:37.38 | Winny | JeffM: this is it http://pastebin.ca/795411 |
| 02:37.46 | Winny | hmm, ok |
| 02:38.06 | JeffM | holly crap |
| 02:38.15 | Winny | Ive seen it work with stuff 2x as big before |
| 02:38.42 | JeffM | all depends on how fast your OS/system fire off the data to the sockets system |
| 02:38.55 | JeffM | like I said, there are changes we can make to have it work better |
| 02:39.11 | Macrosoft | Winny: a bit overkill |
| 02:39.23 | Winny | Macrosoft: tons of servers do that |
| 02:40.39 | Macrosoft | will it be easier to make up game types in 3.0? |
| 02:40.53 | JeffM | define easier? |
| 02:41.00 | JeffM | in a plug-in? |
| 02:41.07 | Macrosoft | yeah |
| 02:41.15 | Winny | alright, down to 10 lines |
| 02:41.17 | JeffM | well you can't change the game type |
| 02:41.35 | Macrosoft | i mean something like the zombie game |
| 02:41.39 | JeffM | so it's still FFA, OpenFFA, CTF, rabit, etc... but you can controll a lot more |
| 02:41.42 | JeffM | what does it do? |
| 02:42.32 | Macrosoft | normal players have no flag, zombies have PZ, but can be killed by normal players, and vice versa |
| 02:43.00 | Macrosoft | ...when a normal player is killed, he/she becomes a zombie too |
| 02:43.31 | JeffM | if the kill check goes to the server then yes |
| 02:43.35 | JeffM | you'd not need a flag for it |
| 02:43.45 | JeffM | just set the shot type |
| 02:44.03 | Macrosoft | ...game goes until there is only one normal player left, who is the winner, then server kills everyone and makes the winner into the starting zombie |
| 02:45.38 | Macrosoft | ...l4m3r or someone made it, but the source was lost. all i have is a .so that only works on 2.0.8 |
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| 02:47.10 | Winny | darn... the srvmsg can't be reloaded via /reload :( |
| 02:47.48 | Macrosoft | can it be disabled in-game? |
| 02:48.19 | Winny | I need some help seeing if I still get the error with a smaller srvmsg |
| 02:48.26 | Winny | Macrosoft: care to join me> |
| 02:48.31 | Macrosoft | sure |
| 02:48.39 | Winny | bzflagr.net:5154 |
| 02:48.57 | ShadowSpectre | Can't you decompile for the source? |
| 02:49.06 | Macrosoft | ShadowSpectre: no |
| 02:50.13 | JeffM__ | decompile? |
| 02:50.20 | JeffM__ | what are you talking about? |
| 02:50.43 | ShadowSpectre | a reverse compiler. Some languages support it. |
| 02:50.58 | Macrosoft | JeffM__: he means the plugin |
| 02:51.28 | Macrosoft | its way buggy anyway, would be better to rewrite from scratch on 3.0 |
| 02:52.05 | JeffM__ | no |
| 02:52.12 | ShadowSpectre | I've seen some neat games that were done and redone. More than one way to accomplish the goal. |
| 02:52.28 | JeffM__ | that's most often a simple re-implemenation |
| 02:52.33 | JeffM__ | what does the plug-in do? |
| 02:52.52 | Macrosoft | its the zombie game-type plugin |
| 02:53.04 | JeffM__ | that'd be not hard to do |
| 02:53.17 | JeffM__ | simpler if the kill check goes server side |
| 02:53.39 | Macrosoft | it freaks out if players quit in the middle of a game |
| 02:54.44 | ShadowSpectre | who is running the bztank network? it is part of thumper's empire? |
| 02:54.46 | JeffM__ | probably keeps an invalid ID |
| 02:55.00 | Thumper_ | my what? |
| 02:55.03 | Thumper_ | :-P |
| 02:55.21 | ShadowSpectre | Someone took over Castle Wars. It's on the bztank server |
| 02:55.38 | Thumper_ | if it doesn't end in norang.ca it's not mine |
| 02:55.56 | Macrosoft | no it doesnt crash, but the game never ends |
| 02:55.59 | ShadowSpectre | oh. I thought mofo was on norang. |
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| 02:56.07 | Thumper_ | no the other way around :) |
| 02:56.20 | ShadowSpectre | shows what I know. |
| 02:56.43 | ShadowSpectre | still I wonder who owns the thing |
| 02:57.13 | JeffM__ | there are like 200+ servers |
| 02:57.16 | Winny | 275 |
| 02:57.52 | ShadowSpectre | Why I still cannot figure most are NEVER used |
| 02:58.14 | JeffM__ | it's not hard to understand why most arn't |
| 02:58.20 | Winny | I'd like to know how many people actually pay for a dedicated server that is never used for BZ |
| 02:58.49 | JeffM__ | there are more servers then there are players |
| 02:59.41 | Macrosoft | weirdest server ive been to was some super anti-apple and anti-mac server |
| 02:59.58 | Macrosoft | whoever owns it has issues |
| 03:00.06 | ShadowSpectre | Yeah I know why they're not populated but why run them if no one uses them? |
| 03:00.28 | JeffM__ | because kiddies want the joy of having them |
| 03:00.43 | ShadowSpectre | Stupid question: does BZ advertise? If no, why not? |
| 03:00.44 | JeffM__ | also many hosts run more then one map |
| 03:01.00 | JeffM__ | who would we advertise to? and with what money? |
| 03:01.19 | Winny | well |
| 03:01.24 | ShadowSpectre | No free ads at all? |
| 03:01.27 | Winny | lets see, lots of lonely, single men play :p |
| 03:01.36 | ShadowSpectre | I found out about it on wiki |
| 03:01.40 | JeffM__ | I think he means ads FOR the game |
| 03:01.45 | JeffM__ | not in the game |
| 03:01.46 | Winny | oh... |
| 03:01.59 | Winny | ShadowSpectre: $$ |
| 03:02.08 | Macrosoft | *advertises bzflag |
| 03:02.09 | Winny | lots of money to advertise in any large volume |
| 03:02.16 | JeffM__ | ShadowSpectre, you seem to think we are much more organised then we are |
| 03:02.28 | ShadowSpectre | well I have a couple of sites. I'll put a banner there. |
| 03:02.35 | JeffM__ | also, honestly we'ld be laughed at |
| 03:02.57 | JeffM__ | if you go adds, you get compared to the other comerical softwares |
| 03:03.10 | ShadowSpectre | well it really is a great game. I think it's better than a lot of commercial products. |
| 03:03.21 | JeffM__ | it's better then soe |
| 03:03.23 | JeffM__ | not most |
| 03:03.25 | JeffM__ | but some |
| 03:03.34 | JeffM__ | it lacks polish and end user ease of use |
| 03:03.47 | JeffM__ | we don't even have anything that tells you HOW to play the game |
| 03:03.47 | Winny | JeffM__, people like Satu, you etc (maybe me? I dunno), could probably make some nice ads |
| 03:03.57 | ShadowSpectre | I like to play the old original nintendo and super NES games still. the new stuff just isn't fun for me |
| 03:04.27 | JeffM__ | I'm sure you could |
| 03:04.36 | ShadowSpectre | I've seen plenty of the younger kids say the same thing when the actually see the older console games |
| 03:04.41 | Winny | This is honestly the only game I really like, BECAUSE of the reason it is very simple. If we advertised to that crowd, it could work |
| 03:04.44 | JeffM__ | but other then a few banners on a couple sitesther would be no large distrobutaion |
| 03:04.58 | JeffM__ | you can do whatever you wish Winny |
| 03:04.59 | Macrosoft | found it: bzfmaps.net:5050 |
| 03:06.55 | ShadowSpectre | Geez jeff, neat place. |
| 03:07.04 | ShadowSpectre | Bitter about apple? :) |
| 03:07.17 | JeffM__ | huh? |
| 03:07.27 | Macrosoft | ShadowSpectre: i dont think it's his |
| 03:07.28 | ShadowSpectre | that site wasn't yours? |
| 03:07.31 | JeffM__ | no |
| 03:07.37 | JeffM__ | what the heck made you think that? |
| 03:07.48 | ShadowSpectre | well obviously someone sure knows you then |
| 03:07.54 | JeffM__ | ? |
| 03:07.55 | ShadowSpectre | quotations from you |
| 03:08.04 | JeffM__ | I'm a popular guy ;) |
| 03:08.04 | Winny | err |
| 03:08.13 | Macrosoft | JeffM__: yeah, they do quote you, but just once |
| 03:08.17 | ShadowSpectre | floating on the wall in 50 foot high letters |
| 03:08.28 | Macrosoft | ShadowSpectre: told you it was weird |
| 03:08.36 | JeffM__ | you just seem to be chock full of random assumtions and misinformation arn't you? |
| 03:09.01 | Macrosoft | funny thing is, nn is hosting it now (but he's not the creator) |
| 03:09.23 | Macrosoft | i guess he doesnt preview stuff before he hosts it |
| 03:09.43 | Winny | lol |
| 03:09.50 | Winny | "and jeffm always knows what he is talking about" |
| 03:09.59 | JeffM__ | probably just offered the hosting |
| 03:10.04 | JeffM__ | he gives out SSH accounts |
| 03:10.08 | JeffM__ | IIRC |
| 03:10.20 | ShadowSpectre | Well it would have been hilarious if you did do it, jeff. |
| 03:10.28 | JeffM__ | not really |
| 03:10.39 | ShadowSpectre | Aw c'mon, it's not bad humor |
| 03:10.48 | JeffM__ | if I did a server it would involve the right hand of god |
| 03:11.16 | Macrosoft | JeffM__: with death physics applied to said hand? |
| 03:11.16 | ShadowSpectre | are you familiar with Dr Science from NPR? |
| 03:11.24 | JeffM__ | no |
| 03:11.33 | ShadowSpectre | Well he's pretty funny. |
| 03:11.52 | JeffM__ | if you say so |
| 03:12.11 | ShadowSpectre | And that server would have epitomised that type of humor if it had been yours |
| 03:12.32 | JeffM__ | again if you say so |
| 03:12.37 | Macrosoft | JeffM__: oh, you meant it would be like it was made by god. i thought you meant you would make a giant hand coming out of the clouds |
| 03:12.54 | JeffM__ | Macrosoft, you thought right |
| 03:13.53 | Macrosoft | with the power of world weapons, go no longer shoots lighning out of his fingers...now he has GM's |
| 03:14.01 | ShadowSpectre | Don't you at least find it flatteringly comedic that someone would put a quote supposedly from you in big flashing letters? |
| 03:14.01 | Macrosoft | *god |
| 03:14.22 | Macrosoft | ShadowSpectre: it is from him, ive seen the post he quoted it from |
| 03:14.47 | Macrosoft | it's in the "what mouse do you use to play" thread |
| 03:15.24 | ShadowSpectre | I mean, someone had to have taken those words to heart. Plus they temporarily immortalized you. Very complimentary |
| 03:15.55 | bryjen | oxymoron much? |
| 03:16.03 | Macrosoft | ShadowSpectre: in a creepy psychopath kind of way, you mean? |
| 03:16.04 | ShadowSpectre | Every chance I get. |
| 03:16.06 | ShadowSpectre | ;) |
| 03:16.32 | ShadowSpectre | What chat clients do you use, macro? |
| 03:16.46 | ShadowSpectre | I can't get the pm thing down |
| 03:16.49 | Macrosoft | ShadowSpectre: kopete |
| 03:20.33 | JeffM__ | ShadowSpectre, no |
| 03:21.06 | JeffM__ | ShadowSpectre, if you had any clue what it was about |
| 03:21.31 | JeffM__ | I denied all his image submissions for weeks |
| 03:22.16 | JeffM__ | tho I"m wondering where he got them hosted? |
| 03:22.58 | JeffM__ | probably be changing default image hosts for 3.0 |
| 03:23.02 | JeffM__ | had some talks with tim |
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| 03:26.26 | ShadowSpectre | What I cannot figure... if that guy hates apple so much... I know he used a mac to make the map. |
| 03:26.42 | JeffM__ | he dosn't |
| 03:26.49 | JeffM__ | he does it to make people mad |
| 03:26.56 | JeffM__ | and listen to the complaints |
| 03:27.46 | ShadowSpectre | Well jeff, everyone tries to take a shot at the big dog. Consider youself complimented. |
| 03:28.10 | Macrosoft | so who made it? |
| 03:28.21 | JeffM__ | vanity is not a trait I admire |
| 03:28.42 | ShadowSpectre | Well you're not blowing your own horn, someone else is. |
| 03:29.12 | JeffM__ | I'd rather jerks like him just leave |
| 03:29.28 | JeffM__ | he wanted images of hitler approved that said "think different" |
| 03:29.55 | ShadowSpectre | well that might be illegal in some countries. Did Hitler actually say that? |
| 03:30.10 | JeffM__ | don't know, don't care |
| 03:30.20 | JeffM__ | even talking about him this much here is giving him too much credit |
| 03:31.01 | ShadowSpectre | Who was it? |
| 03:31.15 | JeffM__ | don't know, don't care |
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| 03:52.23 | blast007 | JeffM__: the server doesn't use images |
| 03:52.30 | blast007 | they did the text with boxes |
| 03:52.36 | JeffM__ | WOW |
| 03:53.02 | blast007 | and they did an apple logo using a mesh |
| 03:53.11 | JeffM__ | that's one hell of a workaround for me not approving images :) |
| 03:53.16 | blast007 | yeah |
| 03:53.23 | blast007 | looks great too :P |
| 03:53.35 | blast007 | it's like 8-bit goodness all over again |
| 03:53.41 | JeffM__ | heh |
| 03:54.47 | Winny | actually |
| 03:54.57 | Winny | meshes with dyncols so the msgs can rotate |
| 03:55.16 | JeffM__ | LED clock stye? |
| 03:55.30 | Winny | sorta |
| 03:56.14 | JeffM__ | well URL change woudn't change that |
| 04:03.28 | Winny | what on earth... bzfs is pulling 30% of a 2.0ghz CPU |
| 04:03.35 | Winny | that sounds like far too much |
| 04:04.08 | blast007 | eh, yeah |
| 04:04.15 | blast007 | how many players? |
| 04:04.19 | Winny | It's bloodbath, 28 players |
| 04:04.34 | blast007 | running plugins? |
| 04:04.47 | Winny | don't think so |
| 04:05.10 | Winny | nope |
| 04:05.34 | Winny | jumping between 10-30 |
| 04:10.15 | JeffM__ | lots of chat maybe? and a chat filter? |
| 04:10.22 | Winny | chat filter |
| 04:10.29 | JeffM__ | badwords |
| 04:10.50 | Winny | I have -filterChat and -filterCallsigns in my conf |
| 04:11.22 | JeffM__ | how many entries are in the badwords list? |
| 04:11.31 | Winny | not many |
| 04:11.34 | Winny | like, 5 |
| 04:11.41 | JeffM__ | should not be that bad then |
| 04:12.37 | Winny | I'm logging on -d, but that shouldn't be causing it, I'd think |
| 04:13.30 | blast007 | Winny: I run -ddd with the simple swear list from the source dist |
| 04:13.35 | blast007 | and I never had that kind of usage |
| 04:13.56 | blast007 | at least, as far as I know |
| 04:14.07 | blast007 | and I sometimes had 20 or 30 players |
| 04:14.27 | blast007 | I had shot limits as well |
| 04:14.32 | Winny | 6 shots, fast as heck reload, and GM, L, SW, etc... |
| 04:14.36 | blast007 | hmm |
| 04:15.00 | Winny | from the conf, about 150 flags, too. |
| 04:15.12 | blast007 | still isn't that many |
| 04:15.42 | spldart | Something is wrong |
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| 04:16.21 | jude- | hello all |
| 04:16.23 | Winny | hey jude- |
| 04:16.39 | spldart | I've had a 1.7 2.0 and 2.1 all running @ same time with chat/callsign filter with substantial word list and 14 players and my old k62-500 wasn't breaking a sweat |
| 04:16.51 | blast007 | hi jude-! :) |
| 04:17.03 | jude- | weee!!! four-day holiday |
| 04:17.42 | spldart | I'm very astute. |
| 04:17.47 | jude- | how is everyone doing? |
| 04:18.50 | Winny | can explodeTime cause CPU usage? |
| 04:19.11 | blast007 | Winny: possible that lots of spawning could |
| 04:19.21 | blast007 | since it has to compute a spawn location |
| 04:19.30 | Winny | ehe, bloodbath certainly has that |
| 04:19.46 | blast007 | but that should only take a fraction of a second per spawn (isn't the limit 100ms)? |
| 04:21.01 | Winny | hmm, fun |
| 04:21.01 | blast007 | correction, 10ms |
| 04:21.45 | Winny | ohh |
| 04:21.54 | Winny | can a large worldsize cause it? |
| 04:22.09 | Winny | bloodbath has it set to 7000 so the clouds look "lower" |
| 04:22.23 | blast007 | I wouldn't see why that would matter |
| 04:22.39 | Winny | its the only difference I can think of |
| 04:24.08 | inchworm | running a debug bzfs? |
| 04:24.30 | Winny | not sure, I didn't compile it |
| 04:26.14 | Winny | is there a way to tell after the fact? |
| 04:27.44 | inchworm | look at the size of the binary? |
| 04:28.18 | Winny | ah ha... I believe you are correct |
| 04:28.25 | Winny | 26.3somemb... |
| 04:28.46 | inchworm | somemb? |
| 04:28.58 | Winny | some mb |
| 04:29.05 | inchworm | ahh |
| 04:30.30 | JeffM__ | spawning on complex maps can take time |
| 04:30.35 | JeffM__ | but not constnatly |
| 04:30.53 | inchworm | it's not that complex a map, at least compared to olympic |
| 04:31.27 | inchworm | 50 to 100 objects ? |
| 04:32.04 | inchworm | eh, i'm probably wrong on that, but still it isn't a louman map :) |
| 04:32.04 | JeffM__ | that's not bad |
| 04:32.14 | Winny | I assume the build debug makes it that big? |
| 04:33.23 | JeffM__ | debug builds are larger |
| 04:35.28 | Winny | does it cause moe CPU usage when run? |
| 04:35.44 | JeffM__ | yes |
| 04:35.51 | JeffM__ | no optimisations |
| 04:35.51 | Winny | whee |
| 04:36.02 | JeffM__ | are you running IN a debuger? |
| 04:36.27 | Winny | Constitution is the one who compiled it, Ill need to talk to hm |
| 04:36.40 | JeffM__ | compile dosn't matter |
| 04:36.57 | JeffM__ | did you start the server with somethikgn like gdb bfs ? |
| 04:37.01 | Winny | nope |
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| 04:38.33 | Winny | alrightee, tommorow Ill compile it non-debug |
| 04:38.39 | Winny | thanks for the help |
| 04:39.13 | JeffM__ | then it should not add THAT much |
| 04:39.20 | JeffM__ | maybe a % or 2 at the most |
| 04:39.40 | Winny | building debug should? |
| 04:39.43 | Winny | hmm.. |
| 04:40.11 | JeffM__ | jsut building debug would be the same as turning off compiler optimisations in release mode |
| 04:40.27 | JeffM__ | it gets signifigantly slower when you run it in a debuger |
| 04:40.41 | JeffM__ | cus the debuger has to process each bit of code as well as run it |
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| 04:46.14 | Legolas_ | Hey, guys. |
| 04:46.19 | Winny | hello |
| 04:50.56 | Winny | crap, missing letterman |
| 04:50.57 | Winny | bbl |
| 04:51.39 | Legolas_ | when building, i get these errors: |
| 04:51.40 | Legolas_ | make[3]: *** [FTVectoriser.lo] Error 1 |
| 04:51.40 | Legolas_ | make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 04:51.40 | Legolas_ | make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 04:51.41 | Legolas_ | make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 04:51.46 | Legolas_ | Any thoughts/comments? |
| 04:52.10 | JeffM__ | those are not the actual errors |
| 04:52.11 | JeffM__ | find them |
| 04:52.31 | Legolas_ | ok |
| 04:53.02 | Legolas_ | and also, when i do a make install i get permission denied, im using the admin login |
| 04:53.22 | JeffM__ | on a mac or linux? |
| 04:53.26 | Legolas_ | macintosh |
| 04:53.37 | JeffM__ | you don't do make isntall on mac |
| 04:53.57 | Legolas_ | any particular reason? |
| 04:54.05 | JeffM__ | because a mac is NOT linux |
| 04:54.10 | Legolas_ | that works. |
| 04:54.21 | JeffM__ | and handles it's applicaiton in a TOTALY different way |
| 04:54.22 | Winny | It's always worked when I run it |
| 04:54.39 | JeffM__ | that will try to put the app in like usr/share/games or something |
| 04:54.49 | JeffM__ | OSX is set up for a .app |
| 04:55.28 | JeffM__ | you don't realy "install" applications on a mac, you drag a .app to where you want to run it from |
| 04:55.50 | Legolas_ | ok. |
| 04:56.03 | Legolas_ | And, how would i find the errors? |
| 04:56.08 | JeffM__ | installers are for when you need software that installs more then one thing |
| 04:56.12 | JeffM__ | they would be in the log |
| 04:56.45 | JeffM__ | same place that you got the stuff you pasted, just higher up |
| 04:56.49 | Legolas_ | src/FTVectoriser.cpp: In member function 'void FTVectoriser::MakeMesh(FTGL_DOUBLE)': |
| 04:56.49 | Legolas_ | src/FTVectoriser.cpp:186: error: invalid conversion from 'GLvoid (*)(...)' to 'GLvoid (*)()' |
| 04:56.50 | Legolas_ | src/FTVectoriser.cpp:186: error: initializing argument 3 of 'void gluTessCallback(GLUtesselator*, GLenum, GLvoid (*)())' |
| 04:56.50 | Legolas_ | src/FTVectoriser.cpp:187: error: invalid conversion from 'GLvoid (*)(...)' to 'GLvoid (*)()' |
| 04:56.50 | JeffM__ | first lines that say "error" |
| 04:56.50 | Legolas_ | src/FTVectoriser.cpp:187: error: initializing argument 3 of 'void gluTessCallback(GLUtesselator*, GLenum, GLvoid (*)())' |
| 04:56.52 | Legolas_ | src/FTVectoriser.cpp:188: error: invalid conversion from 'GLvoid (*)(...)' to 'GLvoid (*)()' |
| 04:56.54 | JeffM__ | dude, pastebin |
| 04:56.54 | Legolas_ | src/FTVectoriser.cpp:188: error: initializing argument 3 of 'void gluTessCallback(GLUtesselator*, GLenum, GLvoid (*)())' |
| 04:56.57 | Legolas_ | src/FTVectoriser.cpp:189: error: invalid conversion from 'GLvoid (*)(...)' to 'GLvoid (*)()' |
| 04:56.59 | Legolas_ | src/FTVectoriser.cpp:189: error: initializing argument 3 of 'void gluTessCallback(GLUtesselator*, GLenum, GLvoid (*)())' |
| 04:57.02 | Legolas_ | src/FTVectoriser.cpp:190: error: invalid conversion from 'GLvoid (*)(...)' to 'GLvoid (*)()' |
| 04:57.04 | Legolas_ | src/FTVectoriser.cpp:190: error: initializing argument 3 of 'void gluTessCallback(GLUtesselator*, GLenum, GLvoid (*)())' |
| 04:57.07 | Legolas_ | gah, didnt mean to post that |
| 04:57.09 | Legolas_ | yeah. wrong window, sorry |
| 04:57.10 | JeffM2501 | dude |
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| 04:57.50 | Legolas_ | yes? |
| 04:57.55 | JeffM2501 | your trying to build trunk? |
| 04:57.59 | JeffM2501 | 2.99? |
| 04:58.11 | Legolas_ | not sure i understand what you mean by 2.00 |
| 04:58.13 | Legolas_ | 2.99* |
| 04:58.21 | JeffM2501 | what code are you building? |
| 04:58.24 | JeffM2501 | was it from SVN? |
| 04:58.28 | Legolas_ | 2.0.10, yes from svn |
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| 04:58.38 | JeffM2501 | did you use the 2.0.10 branch? |
| 04:58.45 | JeffM2501 | or just the trunk URL? |
| 04:58.47 | Legolas_ | i believe so |
| 04:58.56 | Tanksnipe | hey, jeff |
| 04:58.58 | JeffM2501 | you didn't |
| 04:59.05 | JeffM2501 | you'r using trunk |
| 04:59.10 | JeffM2501 | cus it's trying to build FTGL |
| 04:59.10 | Tanksnipe | compile troubles? |
| 04:59.16 | JeffM2501 | not taking to you Tanksnipe |
| 04:59.22 | Legolas_ | svn co https...../bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag2.0.10 |
| 04:59.26 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 04:59.33 | Legolas_ | thats incorrect, im assuming? |
| 04:59.36 | JeffM2501 | that got trunk and put it into a folder named bzflag2.0.10 |
| 04:59.41 | JeffM2501 | did you read the wiki page? |
| 04:59.44 | Legolas_ | yes. |
| 04:59.52 | JeffM2501 | so then you saw the URL for 2.0.x branch |
| 04:59.58 | JeffM2501 | and used that then right? |
| 05:00.09 | Legolas_ | not exactly |
| 05:00.28 | JeffM2501 | then why would you expect it magicaly work? |
| 05:00.40 | JeffM2501 | you have code for 2.99.0 |
| 05:00.44 | JeffM2501 | trunk |
| 05:00.51 | JeffM2501 | see the word "trunk" in the URL? |
| 05:00.55 | Legolas_ | yes, i see now |
| 05:01.10 | Legolas_ | should i use ...svnroot/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag bzflag2.01.0 then? |
| 05:01.29 | JeffM2501 | what does the line in the wiki right before that say? |
| 05:01.45 | Legolas_ | If you want the SVN code for the 2.0.x compatible version use the URL |
| 05:01.58 | JeffM2501 | I wrote that line |
| 05:02.03 | Tanksnipe | lego thats the one i used |
| 05:02.07 | JeffM2501 | if you don't belive it, I'm not sure why you belive me here |
| 05:02.20 | Legolas_ | hmm? |
| 05:02.31 | JeffM2501 | you didn't belive the wiki when it said to use that line |
| 05:02.37 | JeffM2501 | so why should you belive me |
| 05:02.46 | JeffM2501 | since I wrote that line in the wiki |
| 05:02.51 | Legolas_ | i think it was a misread. |
| 05:02.55 | JeffM2501 | and it obviously wasn't good enough |
| 05:03.01 | JeffM2501 | what can you missread? |
| 05:03.08 | JeffM2501 | how else can we make it clearer in the wiki? |
| 05:03.14 | JeffM2501 | it says "use this freaking URL" |
| 05:03.16 | Legolas_ | ok, jeff, calm down mate. |
| 05:03.28 | JeffM2501 | I want to make the wiki very clear that is all |
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| 05:04.34 | JeffM2501 | but yes, you'd use that URL |
| 05:04.38 | Legolas_ | ok. |
| 05:04.42 | JeffM2501 | just be sure to kill the old dir |
| 05:04.47 | Legolas_ | yeah, did that already |
| 05:04.54 | JeffM2501 | trunk didn't build because your missing libs |
| 05:05.03 | JeffM2501 | did you setup the SDL dev lib? |
| 05:05.54 | JeffM2501 | and hello to you as well Tanksnipe |
| 05:05.54 | Legolas_ | im assuming no, since i have no idea what that is |
| 05:05.54 | JeffM2501 | you need it |
| 05:06.01 | Legolas_ | where would one get this? |
| 05:06.06 | JeffM2501 | libsdl.org |
| 05:06.42 | JeffM2501 | also note that your version will be tagged 2.0.11 |
| 05:06.47 | JeffM2501 | since your using svn |
| 05:06.58 | Legolas_ | ok |
| 05:07.11 | Tanksnipe | jeff would you happen to know what -lfridge is? |
| 05:07.31 | JeffM2501 | the link command to include the fridge library for gcc |
| 05:08.01 | Tanksnipe | hmm now where to get libfridge.. |
| 05:08.08 | Tanksnipe | to google i go |
| 05:08.16 | JeffM2501 | probably package manager |
| 05:08.19 | JeffM2501 | what are you building? |
| 05:08.55 | Tanksnipe | scorched3d |
| 05:08.58 | Legolas_ | Found GNU Libtool version 1.5.22 |
| 05:08.58 | Legolas_ | would that be the libtool version needed? |
| 05:09.14 | JeffM2501 | did autogen give you an error? |
| 05:09.18 | Legolas_ | not yet |
| 05:09.23 | JeffM2501 | then it's fine |
| 05:09.36 | JeffM2501 | it will tell you what the minimum is if you dont' meet it |
| 05:09.43 | JeffM2501 | what version of OSX are you on? |
| 05:09.50 | Legolas_ | 10.5 |
| 05:10.01 | JeffM2501 | I highly recomend not building |
| 05:10.15 | JeffM2501 | you will have to use an older verison of SDL |
| 05:10.18 | Legolas_ | i was thinking it would probably work better on my ibook with 10.4 |
| 05:10.20 | JeffM2501 | .11 |
| 05:10.40 | JeffM2501 | why do you have to compile BZ? the 2.0.10 RC3 bin dosn't work? |
| 05:11.01 | Legolas_ | oh no, it works fine. Tankzilla wants something done, however. |
| 05:11.13 | Legolas_ | and im retarded enough to do it for him, wasting my time, and yours |
| 05:11.16 | JeffM2501 | it will not be trivial for you to build |
| 05:11.24 | JeffM2501 | what does he want "done"? |
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| 05:11.49 | Winny | fullscreen radar |
| 05:11.54 | Legolas_ | me to change the maxRadarSize+1 to be +48 |
| 05:11.55 | JeffM2501 | well good luck |
| 05:12.00 | JeffM2501 | 10.5 has issues |
| 05:12.18 | Legolas_ | yep. still have errors here. but not as many |
| 05:12.29 | Winny | oh boy... http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11818 |
| 05:12.36 | JeffM2501 | it will NOT work right unless you use an older version of SDL |
| 05:12.41 | JeffM2501 | you will probably have to build it yourself |
| 05:12.53 | Tanksnipe | jeff do u know where i can get the source for libfridge? |
| 05:12.58 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 05:13.01 | Tanksnipe | google turned up nothin |
| 05:13.03 | Legolas_ | downgrading sdl is not trivial, i hope? |
| 05:13.09 | JeffM2501 | Tanksnipe, we are not a generic game compiling channel |
| 05:13.14 | jude- | Winny: lol, newb |
| 05:13.20 | Tanksnipe | alrite.. |
| 05:13.20 | JeffM2501 | check the game's support system |
| 05:13.31 | JeffM2501 | legonot in the least |
| 05:13.33 | jude- | Legolas_: it shouldn't be...depending on what else you have installed that may depend on your current SDL |
| 05:13.52 | JeffM2501 | and if they have a bin for the framework for the old version |
| 05:14.09 | JeffM2501 | the important thing will be to get your app build with the proper SLD frameworkin the app |
| 05:14.14 | jude- | Legolas_: it should be painless if you let your package manager do it |
| 05:14.22 | JeffM2501 | jude-, he's on a mac |
| 05:14.25 | JeffM2501 | no package manager |
| 05:14.33 | jude- | oh |
| 05:14.34 | Legolas_ | :-() |
| 05:14.34 | JeffM2501 | and framework issues |
| 05:14.40 | JeffM2501 | so no,it's NOT painless |
| 05:14.56 | jude- | indeed |
| 05:14.56 | jude- | my bad |
| 05:15.16 | Legolas_ | .11 you said jeff? |
| 05:15.19 | JeffM2501 | Legolas_, honestly,you don't have enough experience with it all to do it |
| 05:15.23 | JeffM2501 | that's what I've heard |
| 05:15.36 | JeffM2501 | .12 has Fkey issues |
| 05:16.10 | Legolas_ | so, if i just switch computers it should be fine? |
| 05:16.33 | JeffM2501 | the SDL issue does not seem to happen on 10.4 |
| 05:16.41 | JeffM2501 | what OS is tankzilla running? |
| 05:16.46 | Winny | 10.5 |
| 05:16.47 | Legolas_ | 10.5 aswell |
| 05:17.09 | JeffM2501 | then same issue |
| 05:17.13 | nn-main | jeffm the problem with v 10 is configs arn't out right convetible |
| 05:17.27 | JeffM2501 | you'd need to build with the old SDL |
| 05:17.32 | JeffM2501 | nn-main, v10 what? |
| 05:17.35 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.10? |
| 05:17.45 | nn-main | actually |
| 05:17.49 | nn-main | im not shure |
| 05:17.55 | JeffM2501 | then why say anything |
| 05:18.00 | JeffM2501 | what are you talking about? |
| 05:18.03 | nn-main | it was wright out of the trunk svn |
| 05:18.09 | JeffM2501 | what was? |
| 05:18.16 | JeffM2501 | can't read your mind man |
| 05:18.30 | nn-main | wat ever ver that was server said 2.0.99? |
| 05:18.40 | Winny | huh? |
| 05:18.48 | nn-main | y freeky |
| 05:18.54 | JeffM2501 | speak correctly |
| 05:18.59 | JeffM2501 | and wow |
| 05:19.00 | JeffM2501 | just wow |
| 05:19.03 | Winny | what are you talking about man |
| 05:19.09 | JeffM2501 | are you refering to why you can't swap to .10? |
| 05:19.10 | nn-main | bzfs |
| 05:19.15 | JeffM2501 | FULL SENTANCES |
| 05:19.18 | JeffM2501 | it's not that hard |
| 05:19.20 | JeffM2501 | think |
| 05:19.21 | JeffM2501 | type |
| 05:19.28 | nn-main | i thought it was v 10 maby it wosent |
| 05:19.34 | nn-main | ?? im confused |
| 05:19.45 | JeffM2501 | ok, I'm going to ignore you untill you can say a correct sentance, ok? |
| 05:19.57 | Legolas_ | lol @jeff |
| 05:19.59 | Winny | wheee.... there is no "v10" its 2.0.10, 2.0.9, etc/// |
| 05:20.03 | nn-main | ok im pasting it fom server |
| 05:20.21 | JeffM2501 | read your PMs |
| 05:20.39 | JeffM2501 | trunk is NOT 2.0.x anything |
| 05:20.43 | JeffM2501 | it is 2.99.0 |
| 05:20.57 | delusional_ | legolas, orivate window please. |
| 05:20.58 | Winny | we |
| 05:21.02 | delusional_ | private |
| 05:21.08 | Winny | oops, we're going right to 3? |
| 05:21.18 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 05:21.22 | Winny | cool |
| 05:21.27 | JeffM2501 | major version now is the potocoll |
| 05:21.31 | JeffM2501 | 99 is the special for dev |
| 05:21.47 | JeffM2501 | it gives us more "room" in the version for build update numbers |
| 05:21.56 | Winny | ah |
| 05:22.01 | JeffM2501 | nn-main, read the /msg I just sent you. |
| 05:22.10 | Winny | was wondering why everyone was saying 2.99.0 |
| 05:22.12 | JeffM2501 | if you paste huge in here, I will kick you |
| 05:22.23 | JeffM2501 | Winny, cus we changed, read the wiki articles on it |
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| 05:22.30 | Winny | doing that now |
| 05:23.53 | Winny | ahh, this makes much more sense then before |
| 05:25.25 | L4m3r | a ban? |
| 05:25.28 | Winny | cookies |
| 05:29.49 | nn-main | making xchat |
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| 05:30.43 | JeffM2501 | nn just LISTEN for a sec |
| 05:31.09 | Winny | why do you need "nn-main" and "nn-server"? |
| 05:31.23 | JeffM2501 | cus he wants to paste |
| 05:31.26 | JeffM2501 | and then i'll kick him |
| 05:31.34 | JeffM2501 | cus he won't listen for a sec |
| 05:32.05 | Winny | this is a bit OT for now, but is edit disabled on the main page of the wiki? I was going to update the header image. |
| 05:32.26 | JeffM2501 | edit the image |
| 05:32.28 | JeffM2501 | not the page |
| 05:33.51 | nn-server | BZFlag server 2.0.8.20071114-MAINT-linux-gnu-SDL (protocol 0026) http://BZFlag.org/ |
| 05:33.52 | nn-server | Copyright (c) 1993 - 2006 Tim Riker |
| 05:34.12 | nn-server | BZFlag server 2.99.0.20071121-DEVEL-linux-gnu-SDL (protocol 0057) http://BZFlag.org/ |
| 05:34.12 | nn-server | Copyright (c) 1993 - 2007 Tim Riker |
| 05:34.20 | blast007 | 2.99.0 is not compatible |
| 05:34.29 | blast007 | you didn't download v2_0branch |
| 05:34.34 | blast007 | you downloaded trunk |
| 05:34.39 | Legolas_ | nn-server, please be careful. There are a few devs out there kind of mad at you atm |
| 05:34.39 | nn-server | y |
| 05:34.53 | blast007 | nn-server: what? "y"? |
| 05:35.07 | JeffM2501 | nn-server, are you ready to talk seriously? |
| 05:35.15 | nn-server | o k i get it i got the wrong one |
| 05:35.21 | nn-server | :( |
| 05:35.25 | blast007 | nn-server: go read the wiki page BZFlag_SVN |
| 05:35.28 | JeffM2501 | nn-server, answer me |
| 05:35.30 | JeffM2501 | now |
| 05:36.28 | JeffM2501 | blast007, can you edit the list server please? |
| 05:36.46 | JeffM2501 | add nn's server to the list servers banned IPs |
| 05:36.54 | JeffM2501 | cus he treats public services like a joke |
| 05:37.14 | nn-server | What !!!!! |
| 05:37.35 | JeffM2501 | I've tried to talk to you tonight like five times |
| 05:37.45 | JeffM2501 | and you can't even take the time to answer seriously |
| 05:37.56 | JeffM2501 | so if your going to blow us off, I'm we don't need your servers |
| 05:39.05 | JeffM2501 | nn-server, are you willing to discuss this in a clear and civil manner? |
| 05:39.20 | nn-server | Yes! |
| 05:39.22 | JeffM2501 | good |
| 05:39.23 | JeffM2501 | now |
| 05:39.29 | JeffM2501 | trunk is not 2.0.10 |
| 05:39.33 | JeffM2501 | as the wiki says |
| 05:39.36 | Winny | the man with the gun always gets what he wants ;) |
| 05:39.40 | JeffM2501 | you want to get the 2.0.x branch |
| 05:39.52 | JeffM2501 | or just get the soruce tarball from sourceforge |
| 05:39.55 | nn-server | ok |
| 05:39.58 | JeffM2501 | you don't need svn |
| 05:40.15 | nn-server | How often is the svn updated |
| 05:40.27 | blast007 | for 2.0.x there won't really be any more updates |
| 05:40.30 | JeffM2501 | nn-instatly |
| 05:40.35 | nn-server | ok |
| 05:40.37 | nn-server | cool |
| 05:40.38 | JeffM2501 | but 2.0.10 is it |
| 05:40.39 | JeffM2501 | the end |
| 05:40.39 | blast007 | except critical bug fixes |
| 05:40.58 | JeffM2501 | for your limited techincal knowledge the tarball is best for you |
| 05:41.36 | JeffM2501 | just undtar it and then build acording to the readme |
| 05:41.41 | nn-server | ok so compile the directory 2.0.x and use that correct? |
| 05:41.51 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 05:41.57 | JeffM2501 | god you can't listen at all can you? |
| 05:42.09 | Tanksnipe | want me to help him in a pm jeff? |
| 05:42.13 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 05:42.18 | Tanksnipe | ok |
| 05:42.23 | JeffM2501 | no Tanksnipe you don't need to help with everything |
| 05:42.36 | JeffM2501 | he dosn't listen, you talking to him more isn't going to change that |
| 05:43.51 | nn-server | Im trying to get my instructions strait so i dont get band: Which do i use Svn or tarrball |
| 05:44.02 | JeffM2501 | nn-server, what you should be doing is READING |
| 05:44.13 | JeffM2501 | if you were, you'd have seen what one I sugested to use |
| 05:45.09 | JeffM2501 | use the tarball |
| 05:45.12 | JeffM2501 | you don't need svn |
| 05:45.39 | nn-server | sory i get jittery around people who can squash me like a bug |
| 05:45.55 | JeffM2501 | I can do nothing of the sort |
| 05:46.08 | JeffM2501 | and if you can't handle talking to an admin, then you sir are not ready to do hosting |
| 05:46.43 | Legolas_ | come on jeff, be nice. |
| 05:47.04 | Winny | Legolas_: he's been more then nice |
| 05:47.08 | Legolas_ | nn-server: Jeff answered your question, please do some research before you get yourself into trouble |
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| 05:49.17 | JeffM2501 | Winny, I'm very proud of you |
| 05:49.28 | JeffM2501 | that's the least ammount of scarcasm in a post I've seen you make ;) |
| 05:49.28 | Winny | JeffM2501: I can count! |
| 05:49.36 | Winny | oh, that ;) |
| 05:50.15 | JeffM2501 | actual usefull information, good job |
| 05:50.20 | nn-server | ok I get the point I generally try to read the documentation I think I misunderstood the time I read the documentation for svn;; I think i need to print out a new copy of that wiki page: thank for the advice persinally I always like it when jeffm tips me when Im messing up: its onily when people start talking about bans i get really nervese! |
| 05:50.25 | nn-server | Thanks again |
| 05:50.39 | nn-server | for the advice |
| 05:50.57 | JeffM2501 | all you have to do is listen |
| 05:51.02 | JeffM2501 | and stop jumping the gun |
| 05:51.02 | Winny | now just use periods insted of colons :P |
| 05:51.05 | JeffM2501 | there is no rush |
| 05:51.38 | JeffM2501 | nn-server, I mean in the /msg I'm trying to help you step by step |
| 05:52.46 | nn-server | Ok, Im still youg better learn it now when im offering free stuff; Then when I get a job and get in Real trbble :) |
| 05:53.05 | Winny | You can't get a job hosting BZFlag servers :p |
| 05:53.12 | jude- | ...yet |
| 05:53.18 | JeffM2501 | honestly, you are not getting a job with communcation skills like that |
| 05:54.33 | nn-server | Y i really ment somthing other then bzflag but you get the idea;; im here to learn from thoes who are willing to give |
| 05:54.36 | nn-server | :) |
| 05:54.42 | Winny | hah, that'll be the day jude- |
| 05:54.46 | blast007 | jude-: maybe for the N64 :P |
| 05:54.58 | JeffM2501 | they'd just use a battlezone emulator |
| 05:55.04 | jude- | hey, I still have an N64...how else can I play super smash brothers? :) |
| 05:55.09 | blast007 | wonder if it'd run on a PS3 running linux |
| 05:55.17 | JeffM2501 | nn-server, last chance, can you or can you not type all the letters of a word? |
| 05:55.20 | rob1n | blast007, that's a good question actually |
| 05:55.25 | rob1n | anyone have a spare PS 3? |
| 05:55.35 | jude- | blast007: possibly, once 3D acceleration gets reverse-engineered on the PS3 |
| 05:55.45 | blast007 | the PS2 didn't have hardware acceleration, plus a limited supply of copies |
| 05:55.48 | jude- | or Sony suddently becomes nice |
| 05:56.02 | blast007 | jude-: ah, still no 3D accel? too bad |
| 05:56.31 | nn-server | building : /mnt/sda/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ |
| 05:56.33 | jude- | blast007: IIRC, the PS3 has some sort of NVIDIA card...so it may happen if Nouveau ever becomes useful |
| 05:56.45 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 05:56.53 | JeffM2501 | he just goes off and can't even read can he? |
| 05:56.57 | Tanksnipe | why are u building in /mnt? |
| 05:57.05 | L4m3r | I don't think we'd ever be able to distribute console versions of the game |
| 05:57.29 | jude- | L4m3r: that's why another company would do it for us :) |
| 05:57.30 | blast007 | L4m3r: not official stuff, but linux versions |
| 05:57.30 | L4m3r | somehow I don't think LGPL would fly with a licensed console game |
| 05:57.39 | nn-server | its my scsi disk on my server : extra storge i mirrored stuff there |
| 05:57.45 | Tanksnipe | ah |
| 05:58.01 | blast007 | I use a RAID card to mirror stuff on my server |
| 05:58.04 | JeffM2501 | nn-server, can you answer my question please? |
| 05:58.37 | rob1n | yeah the PS 3 card is based on the 7xxx line |
| 05:58.38 | nn-main | i did read did i miss understan your point |
| 05:58.41 | nn-main | again |
| 05:58.45 | nn-main | :( |
| 05:58.54 | JeffM2501 | nn-server, can you answer my question please? |
| 05:59.01 | Winny | nn-main: how old are you, if I may ask? |
| 05:59.45 | nn-main | No generally i misspell stuff i was born a bad speller |
| 06:00.03 | JeffM2501 | so the answer is no |
| 06:00.05 | blast007 | jude-: "Any Linux Operating System has access to 6 of the 7 Synergistic Processing Elements" <-- is that the CPU stuff? |
| 06:00.16 | rob1n | jude-, what with all 8 cores and all heh |
| 06:00.17 | JeffM2501 | you are physicaly incapable of typing all the letters of a word? |
| 06:00.31 | nn-main | i wish this xchat im using now had a spellchecker :( |
| 06:00.46 | rob1n | so do we, so do we |
| 06:00.53 | blast007 | "i was born a bad speller" Uh, aren't we all? |
| 06:00.56 | Winny | The rest of us seem to be able to spell |
| 06:00.58 | JeffM2501 | bad spelling does not turn the word Why into y |
| 06:01.08 | JeffM2501 | we can not comunicate with you if you continue with this |
| 06:01.11 | Tanksnipe | Laziness does.. |
| 06:01.17 | JeffM2501 | and all you are doing with it is disrupting the channel |
| 06:01.26 | JeffM2501 | typos are ok |
| 06:01.31 | JeffM2501 | but you need to slow down |
| 06:01.32 | jude- | blast007: yeah |
| 06:01.33 | nn-main | ok i get it i will stop the abreviations |
| 06:01.37 | JeffM2501 | and type all the letters |
| 06:01.39 | JeffM2501 | thank you |
| 06:01.46 | JeffM2501 | now, did you get the tarball or the svn? |
| 06:02.23 | JeffM2501 | all you have to is give short simple answers like "I got the tarball" or "I got svn" |
| 06:02.26 | jude- | now if only I had a PS3 to build it on... |
| 06:02.38 | nn-server | /mnt/sda/bzflag/ The full svn was mirrored here |
| 06:02.49 | nn-server | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:02.51 | blast007 | jude-: I've read some stuff that says it has OpenGL ES (Embedded Systems) |
| 06:02.53 | JeffM2501 | so you got svn |
| 06:02.57 | JeffM2501 | that is ALL you had to say |
| 06:03.02 | JeffM2501 | we don't care about your local paths |
| 06:03.05 | JeffM2501 | keep it simple |
| 06:03.08 | JeffM2501 | very very simple |
| 06:03.10 | nn-server | ok |
| 06:03.26 | JeffM2501 | did you run autogen.sh? |
| 06:03.33 | jude- | blast007: that's cool, but can BZFlag's rendering API be stripped down to conform to the OpenGL ES specs? |
| 06:03.48 | JeffM2501 | jude-, what don't they do? |
| 06:03.48 | jude- | IIRC, it doesn't even support display lists |
| 06:03.54 | JeffM2501 | jude-, then no |
| 06:04.05 | JeffM2501 | we make heavy use of lists |
| 06:04.06 | jude- | didn't think so :/ |
| 06:04.07 | JeffM2501 | more so now |
| 06:04.08 | jude- | yeah |
| 06:04.14 | JeffM2501 | lists == good for modern hardware |
| 06:04.17 | jude- | indeed |
| 06:04.19 | nn-main | Yay ! ./config said version 2.10 !!!!! |
| 06:04.26 | JeffM2501 | any console port has to be a real port |
| 06:04.33 | JeffM2501 | nn-server, did it say 2.0.10 or 2.10? |
| 06:04.37 | JeffM2501 | or 2.1? |
| 06:04.45 | JeffM2501 | read ALL the letters |
| 06:04.46 | nn-main | oups 2.0.10 my fualt |
| 06:04.51 | JeffM2501 | just SLOW DOWN |
| 06:04.55 | JeffM2501 | seriously |
| 06:05.11 | Tanksnipe | shouldn't it say 2.0.11? |
| 06:05.18 | nn-main | ok , sory i got to excited |
| 06:05.21 | JeffM2501 | Tanksnipe, depends when he synced last |
| 06:05.25 | Tanksnipe | right |
| 06:05.32 | JeffM2501 | nn-main, if you can't controll yourself, we won't be able to help you |
| 06:05.50 | JeffM2501 | we are going to expect you to act in a mature manner |
| 06:06.00 | JeffM2501 | are you capable of doing that? |
| 06:06.01 | nn-main | Im really trying. I snked 5 days ago |
| 06:06.18 | JeffM2501 | then it will probalby be 2.0.11 when it's done |
| 06:06.22 | JeffM2501 | but that is fine |
| 06:06.49 | nn-main | ok cool! I like being up to date |
| 06:07.02 | JeffM2501 | there are no feature changes |
| 06:07.11 | blast007 | well, one... |
| 06:07.16 | blast007 | even though there wasn't supposed to be |
| 06:07.18 | JeffM2501 | important feature changes ;) |
| 06:07.28 | blast007 | ;) |
| 06:07.32 | Tanksnipe | what is that feature? |
| 06:07.39 | JeffM2501 | listening seems to be a problem all over the world |
| 06:07.40 | blast007 | Tanksnipe: it now runs on hydrogen |
| 06:07.43 | nn-main | Its Really nice that they include plugins in the svn |
| 06:07.46 | JeffM2501 | Tanksnipe, go read the commit log |
| 06:07.55 | blast007 | Tanksnipe: it's even in the ChangeLog |
| 06:07.57 | JeffM2501 | nn-main, all our sources include them |
| 06:08.09 | JeffM2501 | they'e never not been included in any source package or system |
| 06:08.12 | nn-main | ok |
| 06:08.41 | nn-main | oh that is why, cool I love new facts |
| 06:09.25 | JeffM2501 | I highly doubt it, if you did you'd have actualy read the info on it all. |
| 06:11.16 | nn-main | yes, but i don't have all the time in the world I work on the server after school if it wosent for home schooling i would have less time and less success |
| 06:11.34 | JeffM2501 | ahhh that explains it |
| 06:11.40 | JeffM2501 | get mom to work on english |
| 06:11.58 | Winny | maybe he's from the south? |
| 06:12.16 | JeffM2501 | highly probbable |
| 06:12.33 | nn-main | I heavily rely on a spell check with out one I mess up a lot |
| 06:12.48 | JeffM2501 | hence why I say you need to work on your english |
| 06:12.50 | Winny | looseleaf doesn't come with spellcheck |
| 06:12.55 | JeffM2501 | if you want to make your way in the world |
| 06:13.05 | Tanksnipe | i think theres spellchecker plugin for xchat |
| 06:13.22 | Tanksnipe | i vagyely remember reading about it |
| 06:13.27 | Winny | he should learn how to spell, not have a plugin do it for him |
| 06:13.45 | JeffM2501 | Whoever cares about your education should have caught this by now |
| 06:13.51 | nn-main | I like firefox the message box spellchecker get most mastakes |
| 06:14.32 | JeffM2501 | nn-main, have you ever build bzflag before? |
| 06:14.34 | Winny | mastakes... yeah, south. |
| 06:15.51 | nn-main | Actually im setuwated in the Phildelphia PA suburbs |
| 06:15.59 | JeffM2501 | WOW |
| 06:16.03 | JeffM2501 | situated? |
| 06:16.16 | JeffM2501 | did that even look RIGHT to you when you read it? |
| 06:16.24 | Winny | Set, you waited? |
| 06:16.53 | JeffM2501 | nn-main, have you ever build bzflag before? |
| 06:17.49 | nn-main | 3 or 4 times all though im still courious the difference inbetween plain auto conf and the autogen script? |
| 06:18.09 | JeffM2501 | and your . key is brokne |
| 06:18.21 | JeffM2501 | autogen runs autoconf and automake for you |
| 06:18.27 | Winny | nn-main |
| 06:18.35 | Winny | which do you consider easier to read? |
| 06:18.53 | nn-main | most of my systems and server run off of gentoo so building is usually not a problem |
| 06:18.56 | Winny | a) hi how are you oh your good oh thats good cause im good too lol thats funny |
| 06:19.36 | Winny | or b) Hi, how are you? Oh, you're good? Thats good, because I'm good too <lets throw out the lol>. |
| 06:20.48 | Winny | also, why do you run so many gosh darn server boxes? |
| 06:20.56 | Winny | just plop everything on one. |
| 06:21.51 | JeffM2501 | that's not allways the best way Winny |
| 06:22.11 | Winny | JeffM2501: for the amount of usage his servers get, it seems like the best idea |
| 06:22.36 | JeffM2501 | he may have more usage ( or planned usage ) then you know about |
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| 06:25.54 | nn-main | jeffm im 15 i run the best equipment and work extreamly hard to keep on the document side of things. Yes i know I am terrable with english but hopefually that will inpruve as i get older. Some times i seem to be able to do amasing stuff with my server but cant get a long with my parents. Please try to be a little patient I try hard to keep up. But generally it takes more energy when your a little tired. So wright now im going to cleen all the computer equipmen |
| 06:25.54 | nn-main | t off my bed and try to get some sleep. I didn't realize it was past 1 AM |
| 06:26.09 | JeffM2501 | age dosn't matter |
| 06:26.14 | JeffM2501 | you dont run the best |
| 06:26.21 | JeffM2501 | and it wont't get better untill you try |
| 06:26.22 | nn-main | I know it dosent |
| 06:26.38 | JeffM2501 | so you want me to treat you difrently from everyone else? |
| 06:27.00 | nn-main | Yes i know im sory i didn't do better im really tyred |
| 06:27.02 | JeffM2501 | if you are not ready to do what need to be done ( tired, drunk, whatever ) then don't do it |
| 06:27.11 | JeffM2501 | where is the rush? |
| 06:27.50 | nn-main | good point; talk later i need to get to bed |
| 06:27.57 | blast007 | bye |
| 06:30.36 | Winny | nn-main: FYI... the "best equipment" doesn't matter on a 1mbit comcast connection, as Ive said many times... |
| 06:33.34 | nn-main | Winny to keep up with the compition from verison comcast seems to constantly be uping the band with i think is 2Mbits Now in a year after my contract has wained or comcast provides cheep fiber i will swich to it |
| 06:34.59 | rob1n | 2 mbits is nothing |
| 06:35.10 | rob1n | there are comcast lines with 8 mbits iirc |
| 06:35.28 | jude- | and in Japan there are consumer subscriptions with 100 MBits IIRC |
| 06:35.35 | blast007 | rob1n: upstream |
| 06:35.39 | rob1n | and japan (some parts of asia, too) get mbits for only $0.75 a mbit |
| 06:35.43 | rob1n | here it's aroudn $6.00 |
| 06:35.47 | nn-main | rob1n, Cool ! i will look in to that |
| 06:35.49 | rob1n | blast007, true |
| 06:36.04 | rob1n | probably sucks |
| 06:36.22 | blast007 | rob1n: he has 1 or 2mbit upstream |
| 06:36.32 | rob1n | blast007, nn? |
| 06:36.34 | blast007 | yeah |
| 06:36.41 | rob1n | that's not bad |
| 06:36.59 | blast007 | still can't handle running 20 players on a server |
| 06:37.02 | rob1n | comcast cable is filthy expensive compared to other services though |
| 06:37.04 | rob1n | heh |
| 06:37.11 | blast007 | yeah |
| 06:37.13 | rob1n | that's why they have datacenters ^.^ |
| 06:37.16 | Winny | yeah |
| 06:37.19 | nn-main | over 6 M down or somthing like that it may have been uped since i last checkes |
| 06:37.26 | blast007 | he's doing it to learn how to manage the servers |
| 06:37.30 | Winny | if you REALLY want a low latency server |
| 06:37.39 | blast007 | nn-main: downstream is less important |
| 06:37.40 | L4m3r | downstream is almost irrelevant for serving bzfs |
| 06:37.40 | Winny | rent something in a datacenter |
| 06:38.06 | rob1n | though if i'm going to go through the trouble of getting space in a datacenter, i'd rather host a real game that would use bandwidth |
| 06:38.15 | L4m3r | downstream use increases in direct proportion with the number of players, while upstream use increases exponentially |
| 06:38.34 | Winny | rob1n: last month I used 300gb for BZFS |
| 06:38.38 | L4m3r | so for just about any connection, upstream is the constraining factor |
| 06:39.10 | rob1n | In some areas, they are offering 16 Mbit/s downstream and 1 or 2 Mbit/s (125 kB/s) upstream as a more expensive, yet speedier alternative |
| 06:39.11 | rob1n | (comcast) |
| 06:39.39 | Winny | I was usually pulling 3-4mbits with 30 players |
| 06:39.42 | rob1n | i wish the US would update their infrastructure |
| 06:39.51 | rob1n | as jude- said, other places are waaay ahead |
| 06:39.55 | blast007 | someone I had talked with before that had comcast had them reverse the upstream/downstream |
| 06:39.58 | blast007 | so they have 8mbps upstream |
| 06:40.21 | rob1n | can you get comcast to do that? ^.^ |
| 06:40.26 | L4m3r | rob1n: US telcos have bought the government and no one wants to upgrade the lines |
| 06:40.32 | blast007 | rob1n: they had comcast |
| 06:40.33 | rob1n | L4m3r, pretty much. |
| 06:40.40 | blast007 | they had two connections, and they had one reversed |
| 06:40.48 | blast007 | so they downloaded with one, uploaded with the other ;) |
| 06:40.51 | rob1n | and the cell phone networks suck -- the rest of the world is on 3g, we're on EDGE |
| 06:41.05 | nn-main | Winny, your allways seeming to think my system is not much; Maby its not to some people; but to others it is like gold some of the people i server dont care of there is a 100ms lag they jus need a server for there map; maby even one that might not be used much! Winny instad of complaining -->> Try it You might even be supprized :) |
| 06:41.23 | rob1n | nn-main, can you type english? |
| 06:41.28 | blast007 | nn-main: Winny has a real server |
| 06:41.30 | L4m3r | nn-main, the rest of us have REAL servers to use |
| 06:41.32 | Winny | please |
| 06:41.38 | blast007 | eve his VPS had better bandwidth |
| 06:41.50 | Winny | which expiries in 2 hours! |
| 06:41.53 | Winny | yay |
| 06:42.00 | rob1n | Winny, where did you host your VPS? |
| 06:42.13 | rob1n | heh i jsut cancelled my vps recently too |
| 06:42.16 | rob1n | moved to dreamhost |
| 06:42.24 | Winny | me and const moved to sagonet |
| 06:42.48 | Winny | 2.0ghz P4, 1gb RAM, 120gb HDD, 1tb bandwidth for 50$/mo |
| 06:42.52 | L4m3r | ISPs generally have local monopolies, so they have no reason to push for infrastructure upgrades. They can charge whatever they like to shove the same crappy connection down their customers' throats. |
| 06:43.00 | nn-main | This is a useless argument you guys have what you will Some time giving what you have is better than braging about it ! |
| 06:43.18 | rob1n | nn-main, you make no sense whatsoever. |
| 06:43.19 | blast007 | what? |
| 06:43.30 | rob1n | L4m3r, yeah, that's the sad truth : |
| 06:43.30 | rob1n | :\ |
| 06:43.45 | L4m3r | not that upgrades would change much |
| 06:43.59 | L4m3r | public money funded the copper we have now, and the telcos own it anyway. it's a load of crap. |
| 06:44.07 | rob1n | rip it up! ;) |
| 06:44.10 | rob1n | lay fiber optic |
| 06:44.28 | Winny | nn-main: you can get a BETTER server for 50$ a month insted of the 70 your paying now for comcrud |
| 06:44.36 | L4m3r | can you write me a check? that'll be a few billion, plz. :) |
| 06:44.46 | rob1n | hey, instead of the war in iraq... |
| 06:46.21 | Winny | nn-main: http://www.sagonet.com/bargain-servers.html or maybe xlhost http://xlhost.com/moreinfo.php?service=1 |
| 06:46.31 | L4m3r | nn-main, the reason you get so much crap is that YOU do most of the bragging. You offer to serve more than your capacity. |
| 06:46.58 | L4m3r | any time more than one of your servers gets just a little popularity, the whole thing collapses into a lagfest |
| 06:47.27 | blast007 | wouldn't be so bad if the server had a logical player limit |
| 06:47.32 | blast007 | then it wouldn't get that bad |
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| 06:49.49 | nn-main | i don't like to argue which i have done to much of it is time I leave; |
| 06:50.03 | nn-main | i cant say anything else |
| 06:50.06 | nn-main | bye |
| 06:50.09 | blast007 | cya |
| 06:52.21 | Winny | yeah |
| 06:52.35 | Winny | some part of me wonders if our legs are being pulled |
| 06:52.38 | L4m3r | I mean, seriously. his parents should be sending him to remedial English classes or something |
| 06:52.52 | blast007 | L4m3r: he's going to get a job at AOL |
| 06:52.58 | blast007 | testing AIM |
| 06:53.01 | Winny | haha |
| 06:53.25 | L4m3r | oh, I thought you were gonna say tech support :P |
| 06:53.35 | blast007 | L4m3r: well, that would probably work too |
| 06:54.15 | Winny | "HAI WELCUM TO AOL WUTS UR POBRLEM" |
| 06:56.15 | L4m3r | he could, like, dress up as a lolcat and walk around a theme park |
| 06:56.24 | Winny | ROFL |
| 06:56.30 | blast007 | hehe |
| 07:07.00 | Winny | sorry |
| 07:07.05 | Winny | but this is so nn. |
| 07:07.07 | Winny | http://lolcat.com/pics/edumactionkat.jpg |
| 07:07.56 | sigonasr2 | Good one winny :) |
| 07:17.25 | ruskie | :) |
| 07:17.38 | ruskie | sad but amusing |
| 07:18.13 | Winny | hehe |
| 07:18.29 | ruskie | and morning all *yaaaawwwwnnn* |
| 07:19.08 | Winny | night |
| 07:42.17 | Tanksnipe | goodnight |
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| 14:21.18 | Winny | remove last post http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11813 |
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| 17:30.18 | bzIronFoot | hello |
| 17:30.37 | Winny | uh, hi |
| 17:30.53 | bzIronFoot | anybody wanna tackle a BIG server problem? :) |
| 17:31.26 | bzIronFoot | bummer |
| 17:31.27 | Winny | Im sure it's a messed up config option |
| 17:31.54 | bzIronFoot | it doesnt show on list |
| 17:32.05 | bzIronFoot | and i get an fsock error |
| 17:32.16 | Winny | pastebin them |
| 17:32.27 | bzIronFoot | Got line: "<b>Warning</b>: fsockopen() [<a href='function.fsockopen'>function.fsockopen</a>]: unable to connect to 71.53.126.142:5154 (Connection refused) in <b>/usr/web/my.bzflag.org/bzfls.php</b> on line <b>611</b><br />" |
| 17:32.28 | bzIronFoot | Got line: "failed to connect: Connection refused" |
| 17:32.50 | Winny | hm |
| 17:32.58 | bzIronFoot | lol, thats what i said |
| 17:33.47 | brad | did you forward the port at your router |
| 17:34.09 | bzIronFoot | yes, and upgraded firmware, called isp opened their firewall etc etc.... |
| 17:34.25 | brad | I get connection refused too when trying to connect |
| 17:34.29 | bzIronFoot | i even dmz and get same error |
| 17:34.34 | Winny | what about the PC firewall? |
| 17:34.44 | bzIronFoot | its the same in linux and windows |
| 17:34.47 | bzIronFoot | nerror i mean |
| 17:34.53 | bzIronFoot | error* |
| 17:35.29 | bzIronFoot | is there a firewall issue in linux, i have turned off guarddog |
| 17:37.39 | bzIronFoot | Got line: "MSG: ADD 71.53.126.142 BZFS0026 0010000100000000000000000000c800c800c800c800c800c800c8 ironfoot" |
| 17:37.50 | bzIronFoot | but then warning error |
| 17:38.44 | bzIronFoot | that is with simple startup bzfs -public "ironfoot" -publicaddr 71.53.126.142 -d -d -d -d |
| 17:39.38 | bzIronFoot | oh yeah, i posted a topic in the forum, now i cant post it says php forbidden acces somethingorother |
| 17:39.38 | brad | what port did you forward? |
| 17:39.57 | Winny | the defaultt BZ port is 5154 |
| 17:40.18 | bzIronFoot | well i have tried 5100-5200 then i forwarded 1-65535 for test, same results |
| 17:40.27 | bzIronFoot | even dmz same error |
| 17:41.39 | bzIronFoot | yes i fowarded 5154 and 80 the first time, then i started opening more and more |
| 17:41.45 | bzIronFoot | and 81 |
| 17:42.08 | Winny | opening more won't help |
| 17:42.14 | bzIronFoot | yup :( |
| 17:42.51 | brad | ok . . are you sure they are being forwarded to the right lan IP? |
| 17:42.58 | bzIronFoot | yes |
| 17:44.42 | bzIronFoot | uhm, i made my internal network 10. not 192.168 does that make any difference |
| 17:45.47 | [dmp] | bzIronFoot: please answer my pm, its important |
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| 19:03.58 | spldart | is there anyway to set observer mode following leader to stay with the leader you spawn with until he dies and only then grab a new leader if available? |
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| 19:49.48 | SportChick | hi [dmp] |
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| 20:21.02 | spldart | Geez... bzflagr.net.. someone joins red team.. grabs sw and starts tk'ing... spawn.. tk spawn tk.. until blue compeltely dominates red base and then quits respawning/rejoining red team... takes the fun out of it |
| 20:22.22 | spldart | Whoever has logs of bloodbath 2.3 by r3lax needs to ip ban this short-and-curly |
| 20:22.46 | Winny | of course I just logged out of SSH :p |
| 20:23.15 | spldart | Does the logs have the patch.... or is it in stable now... that allows the view of TK's in the logs? |
| 20:23.49 | Winny | err, I can't find anyone by that name in the logeroos |
| 20:23.54 | spldart | Sry I didn't bother to remember his tankername |
| 20:23.59 | Winny | oh boy |
| 20:24.13 | spldart | no... I'm calling him a short-and-curly.. his name was different |
| 20:24.18 | Winny | was it a jumble of letters? I banned someone by the name of "shjdshfdhjkgdfjkgf" a few min ago |
| 20:24.21 | spldart | look for tk's like 3 minutes ago |
| 20:24.31 | spldart | maybe 5 |
| 20:25.09 | spldart | Watching the radar he wasn't accidentily being a moron he was doin a good job of hunting teamates |
| 20:25.25 | spldart | He went after the ones holding key positions to defend our base |
| 20:25.51 | whodaman- | they'll do that ;) |
| 20:26.09 | spldart | The map dropped from number one to number 4 in 2 minutes time it was so bad... |
| 20:26.18 | spldart | heh |
| 20:26.50 | whodaman- | no admins were present? |
| 20:27.04 | Winny | ~dns 89.53.103.37 |
| 20:27.15 | spldart | meh.. don't remember.. I had a death grip on the mouse trying to kill the mofo.... |
| 20:27.19 | Winny | hostban tiame! |
| 20:27.27 | whodaman- | no! |
| 20:27.43 | whodaman- | :P |
| 20:27.59 | whodaman- | looks german...? |
| 20:29.15 | spldart | Do you have /poll ban on that server? |
| 20:29.19 | spldart | I didn't think to try |
| 20:29.39 | spldart | of course.. that works on name and not ip though doesn't it |
| 20:31.11 | Winny | spldart: just msg me if you have any problems with him again, Ill look into the logs |
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| 20:33.25 | Winny | the banfile is only written to when the server shuts off, correct> |
| 20:33.57 | Tanksnipe | no, i believe it does it whiel running, or else the person could come back |
| 20:34.01 | Tanksnipe | while* |
| 20:38.57 | Winny | cause Im inputting bans, and they're showing up in BZFlag, but not in the banfile. |
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| 20:42.35 | spldart | okies... just got back... yelling @ my kids hehe |
| 20:43.06 | Tanksnipe | maybe it stores em in ram..idk |
| 20:43.18 | Tanksnipe | and it does it how u said |
| 20:43.42 | Tanksnipe | imma try for my self |
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| 21:00.31 | SpazzyMcGee | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Texturematrix |
| 21:00.41 | SpazzyMcGee | Anything i've omitted? |
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| 21:10.16 | spldart | Anything you've included? |
| 21:10.27 | spldart | Are you just creating a new page? |
| 21:11.45 | SpazzyMcGee | spldart: there was a naming mix up |
| 21:11.56 | SpazzyMcGee | see http://my.bzflag.org/w/TextureMatrix |
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| 21:12.58 | spldart | Ah.. sry |
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| 22:05.32 | Winny | yay |
| 22:05.39 | Winny | my servers are #1 and 2 :p |
| 22:06.12 | ts | ibot: Manu++ |
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| 22:27.43 | spldart | 1 and 2 ay |
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| 23:55.11 | SpazzyMcGee | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11825&highlight= |
| 23:57.38 | Constitution | BZBB admins: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11825 |
| 23:57.45 | Constitution | oops |
