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| 02:19.15 | Constitution | are we planning on releasing bzwgen binaries, and if so what needs to be done before that happens? |
| 02:27.41 | delusional | constitution.. i was just about to ping you about the same subject |
| 02:29.20 | delusional | as far as i know.. you are the only person to use it. |
| 02:29.39 | delusional | you have a windows binary? |
| 02:30.45 | delusional | don't hold your breath waiting for me to get a mac build |
| 02:31.03 | Constitution | I have a linux binary |
| 02:31.11 | delusional | debian? |
| 02:31.16 | Constitution | I had a mac build, I think, before I sold my macbook |
| 02:31.20 | Constitution | ubuntu |
| 02:32.12 | delusional | so i built the bison and flex dependencies.. how to go about linking them in the bzwgen build? |
| 02:32.32 | Constitution | built, but not installed? |
| 02:32.52 | delusional | yes, sudo make install |
| 02:32.58 | delusional | is done |
| 02:33.22 | Constitution | k... and the bzwgen build process says it can't find them? |
| 02:33.35 | delusional | mkdir /usr/local/share/bison |
| 02:33.35 | delusional | mkdir /usr/local/share/bison/m4sugar |
| 02:33.58 | delusional | bison -d -osrc/parser.cxx src/parser.y |
| 02:33.58 | delusional | src/parser.y:15: unrecognized: %parse_param |
| 02:34.29 | Constitution | when you run the "bison" command, does it work? |
| 02:34.34 | Constitution | i.e., does it exist? |
| 02:34.52 | delusional | bison: no grammar file given |
| 02:34.59 | delusional | thats working, right |
| 02:35.02 | Constitution | okay, so it is installled |
| 02:35.05 | Constitution | what version do you have? |
| 02:35.38 | delusional | 2.3 |
| 02:36.13 | Constitution | looks like the latest on... |
| 02:36.15 | Constitution | *one |
| 02:36.59 | Constitution | well I'm not sure... maybe ping me tomorrow, and I'll look back at my setup and try to figure it out |
| 02:37.14 | JeffM | who's the primary target audience for it? |
| 02:37.26 | JeffM | map makers or server owners? |
| 02:37.28 | Constitution | server owners, I guess? |
| 02:37.46 | delusional | yeah.. i should see if thumper can build it.. |
| 02:38.04 | JeffM | then bins are pointless |
| 02:38.04 | delusional | since it will run there, anyyway |
| 02:38.16 | JeffM | server owners == nix |
| 02:38.19 | JeffM | nix == build |
| 02:38.25 | Constitution | hm |
| 02:38.43 | JeffM | there are too many binary formats |
| 02:38.47 | JeffM | and packages |
| 02:39.09 | JeffM | and I don't think there is any need or plan to put it into a package manager, as it has rather limted uses |
| 02:39.14 | delusional | I wanted to try ti make it work locally, before having to ssh for every try. |
| 02:39.34 | JeffM | and that makes total sense |
| 02:39.43 | JeffM | I was commenting on Constitution's question about bins for it |
| 02:39.58 | JeffM | the furthest I'd go is a source tarbal |
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| 02:40.47 | Constitution | yeah, even without bins, maybe a tag and source code release with a bit of documentation to raise awareness about it |
| 02:41.11 | Constitution | from what I understand, it's way more flexible than it's being used for now |
| 02:41.30 | JeffM | indeed |
| 02:41.46 | JeffM | but 1) I don't think the maps it makes are that useable, and 2) there is a huge call for it |
| 02:43.03 | Constitution | so you think changes should be made to the tool? or you don't think the maps will ever be usable? |
| 02:43.04 | JeffM | puting more work into bzworkbench would have a much larger payof |
| 02:43.13 | Winny | yeah... |
| 02:43.16 | JeffM | the tool does what it does |
| 02:43.21 | JeffM | the concept is cool and all |
| 02:43.42 | JeffM | I just don't see there being a huge cry for more complex random maps |
| 02:44.02 | JeffM | and just because it's a prety random map dosn't make it fun |
| 02:44.10 | JeffM | the best maps are designed with gameplay in mind |
| 02:44.27 | JeffM | most of your random maps are the way they are because of gameplay choice (ducati) |
| 02:44.33 | JeffM | where the added graphics would be lost |
| 02:45.28 | JeffM | the ammount of work that a user would put into it to modify the random worlds ( making new model nodes, changing rules, etc.. ) they could just as easlay spend on making a new map |
| 02:45.46 | JeffM | and I don't see people using more then once per map |
| 02:46.33 | delusional | alright constitution.. I'm finally getting around to testing the changes to simplestats... I give up on bzwgen for now |
| 02:46.49 | Constitution | heh, k |
| 02:46.50 | JeffM | of the 3 projects for SoC that was the one with the least amount of commuity impact. |
| 02:48.07 | Constitution | JeffM: also, it seems to me that (actual usefulness aside), bzwgen was the most complete as far as being ready for the end users. |
| 02:48.26 | JeffM | that is probably true |
| 02:48.42 | Constitution | well I guess it was kind of a use-as-you-go tool from the beginning |
| 02:48.47 | JeffM | if you want to clean up the docs and stamp and tarball it, hey have fun ;) |
| 02:48.47 | Constitution | once he committed his first code |
| 02:48.53 | JeffM | but I'd not go so far as bins |
| 02:48.58 | Constitution | okay :) |
| 02:49.55 | Constitution | did any leopard users ever get a chance to test the 2.0.10 Mac build? |
| 02:50.10 | Constitution | heh, do we even have any leopard users here? ;) |
| 02:51.26 | delusional | ATD tried to build it today... so far no luck.. they can build with autogen configure and make, but not xcodebuild |
| 02:51.41 | Constitution | I mean the binary |
| 02:52.03 | Constitution | we have a binary that's almost ready for release that we want leopard users to test |
| 02:52.22 | delusional | I havent heard any bad reports, and i knoow more than a few leopard users |
| 02:52.24 | Constitution | http://beta.bzflag.bz/builds/2.0.x/MacOSX/BZFlag-2.0.10.dmg |
| 02:52.33 | Constitution | so it has been tested? |
| 02:52.53 | delusional | well.. he would have said something if it didnt work |
| 02:53.33 | delusional | A_Temp_dist Ping... how's 2.0.10 on OSX 10.5? |
| 02:53.48 | delusional | need a 10.5 PPC user too. |
| 02:55.21 | delusional | if theres one feature i want leopard really bad for.. it's the tabbed terminal |
| 02:58.10 | a_meteorite | tabbed terminal is awesome :) |
| 03:11.09 | delusional | well... those plugin sounds arent gonna work |
| 03:12.09 | delusional | worked better with a 2.0.4 client than a 2.0.10 |
| 03:12.26 | Constitution | you're on mac, right? |
| 03:12.37 | Constitution | can you post a backtrace? |
| 03:13.24 | delusional | naah.. because its a waste, anyway |
| 03:14.18 | Constitution | no it isn't :) |
| 03:14.30 | Constitution | if it's a mac issue, maybe we can still fix it before we post the build |
| 03:16.11 | Constitution | do you know how to run bzflag in a debugger? |
| 03:23.12 | delusional | no windows is crashing too |
| 03:23.18 | delusional | at least matt's |
| 03:23.33 | delusional | it's gotta be 100 percent reliable |
| 03:24.57 | delusional | maybe this will help... http://pastebin.com/m5f4798b2 |
| 03:24.57 | delusional | thats RC3 |
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| 04:15.54 | Constitution | Hmm, seems that turning off your signature on the BZBB turns off the "attach signature" option in all your posts during that time, so adding a signature later doesn't add it to those posts... |
| 04:16.34 | Constitution | would the forum admins mind if I executed an SQL query to turn on attachments in all my posts? |
| 04:16.57 | Constitution | assuming there isn't an admin technique for that |
| 04:17.03 | JeffM | check with blast007 |
| 04:17.14 | JeffM | or L4m3r |
| 04:17.19 | JeffM | they are the webmonkeys in that area |
| 04:17.23 | Constitution | blast007, L4m3r: ping? |
| 04:18.13 | Constitution | it would be a: UPDATE phpbb_posts SET enable_sig=1 WHERE poster_id=9972; |
| 04:20.55 | L4m3r | blast007, not me :P |
| 04:21.08 | Constitution | heh |
| 04:23.46 | L4m3r | I've got admin rights, but not server access ;) |
| 04:23.52 | L4m3r | blast is the maintainer |
| 04:25.24 | Winny | ~blame blast007 |
| 04:25.24 | ibot | ACTION blames blast007 (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 04:25.27 | Winny | grrr... |
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| 04:26.38 | Winny | yay, colloquy still works after leopard upgrade |
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| 04:31.54 | Macrosoft | Winny: arent you canadian, though |
| 04:32.07 | Winny | uh |
| 04:32.09 | Winny | sure |
| 04:32.44 | Macrosoft | "* ibot blames blast007 (and Canada) for all the evil in the world" |
| 04:35.13 | spldart | ... floppy heads and beady eyes... |
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| 04:38.58 | AAA_Awright | ~blame me |
| 04:38.59 | ibot | ACTION blames aaa_awright (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 04:40.01 | Constitution | ~factinfo cmd: blame (.*?) |
| 04:40.01 | ibot | cmd: blame (.*?) -- last modified at Thu Jun 22 16:47:45 2006 by sjansen!n=sjansen@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com; it has been requested 328 times, last by AAA_Awright, 1m 2s ago. |
| 04:56.54 | Winny | ~a_meteorite++ |
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| 05:46.43 | JeffM | activate interlocks |
| 05:46.48 | JeffM | conect dynatherms |
| 05:46.54 | JeffM | bring up infracells |
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| 10:36.47 | lepoulpe303 | when i was cleaning my computer , i found a bzflag irc -like bot program i started ; was wondering if it would be still interesting to develop |
| 10:53.03 | Constitution | lepoulpe303: I'm interested in seeing it... I had/have plans for a similar project in mind |
| 10:53.40 | lepoulpe303 | Constitution: written in python |
| 10:53.46 | lepoulpe303 | using sqlite db |
| 10:54.14 | lepoulpe303 | i used it to perform player rankings, but ppl disagreed with ranking results :D |
| 10:54.21 | Constitution | heh |
| 10:54.31 | lepoulpe303 | oh ; there might be a bug in it, no offense |
| 10:54.41 | Constitution | mine will probably be in C++, but I'd be interested in seeing what you have anyway |
| 10:56.45 | lepoulpe303 | Constitution: http://bzbot.sourceforge.net/ |
| 10:57.56 | lepoulpe303 | as you can see i'm the king of ajax |
| 10:58.01 | lepoulpe303 | :D |
| 10:58.26 | Constitution | hehe |
| 10:58.32 | Constitution | thanks... I'll take a look at it |
| 10:58.45 | Constitution | bbl |
| 10:59.20 | lepoulpe303 | bzclient is the generic class to access server and retrieve events ; bzbot inherits and performs specific tasks |
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| 11:02.35 | lepoulpe304 | bzclient is the generic class to access server and retrieve events ; bzbot inherits and performs specific tasks |
| 11:02.38 | lepoulpe304 | oops sry |
| 11:02.41 | lepoulpe304 | oops sry |
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| 12:46.07 | brlcad | http://www.theopenpress.com/index.php?a=press&id=26110 |
| 12:49.28 | spldart | BZFlag is famous :-) |
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| 16:18.19 | CIA-23 | libirc: 03brlcad * r355 10/trunk/libirc/botlib/ (inc/Makefile.am inc/botlib.h src/Makefile.am): add build files to compile the new noinst botlib |
| 16:18.20 | CIA-MIA | libirc: 03brlcad * r355 10/trunk/libirc/botlib/ (inc/Makefile.am inc/botlib.h src/Makefile.am): add build files to compile the new noinst botlib |
| 16:18.46 | CIA-23 | libirc: 03brlcad * r356 10/trunk/libirc/botlib/Makefile.am: ws |
| 16:18.47 | CIA-MIA | libirc: 03brlcad * r356 10/trunk/libirc/botlib/Makefile.am: ws |
| 16:19.23 | CIA-23 | libirc: 03brlcad * r357 10/trunk/libirc/NEWS: itemize news for a 0.2 release |
| 16:19.23 | CIA-MIA | libirc: 03brlcad * r357 10/trunk/libirc/NEWS: itemize news for a 0.2 release |
| 16:19.40 | CIA-23 | libirc: 03brlcad * r358 10/trunk/libirc/Makefile.am: have to traverse botlib before src |
| 16:19.41 | CIA-MIA | libirc: 03brlcad * r358 10/trunk/libirc/Makefile.am: have to traverse botlib before src |
| 16:19.59 | CIA-23 | libirc: 03brlcad * r359 10/trunk/libirc/src/Makefile.am: link in botlib |
| 16:20.00 | CIA-MIA | libirc: 03brlcad * r359 10/trunk/libirc/src/Makefile.am: link in botlib |
| 16:20.15 | CIA-23 | libirc: 03brlcad * r360 10/trunk/libirc/configure.ac: generate the makefiles for botlib |
| 16:20.16 | CIA-MIA | libirc: 03brlcad * r360 10/trunk/libirc/configure.ac: generate the makefiles for botlib |
| 16:20.27 | Winny | brlcad: spammer! :p |
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| 16:26.09 | CIA-23 | libirc: 03brlcad * r361 10/trunk/libirc/ (31 files in 11 dirs): credit where credit is due, assign copyright to the Jeff guy that actually wrote most of it all |
| 16:28.58 | CIA-23 | libirc: 03brlcad * r362 10/trunk/libirc/AUTHORS: yet he is not me |
| 16:28.58 | CIA-MIA | libirc: 03brlcad * r362 10/trunk/libirc/AUTHORS: yet he is not me |
| 16:29.12 | CIA-MIA | libirc: 03brlcad * r363 10/trunk/libirc/autogen.sh: and he didn't write this |
| 16:29.12 | CIA-23 | libirc: 03brlcad * r363 10/trunk/libirc/autogen.sh: and he didn't write this |
| 16:29.36 | Winny | now it just sounds like you're writing lines |
| 16:29.42 | CIA-23 | libirc: 03brlcad * r364 10/trunk/libirc/configure.ac: this is libIRC project.. not 'that other project' |
| 16:29.42 | CIA-MIA | libirc: 03brlcad * r364 10/trunk/libirc/configure.ac: this is libIRC project.. not 'that other project' |
| 16:30.15 | brlcad | o.O |
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| 16:31.13 | brlcad | interesting that MIA missed the 31 files in 11 dirs relay |
| 16:31.56 | brlcad | wonder if CIA-9 didn't catch it |
| 16:32.42 | brlcad | Winny: I've filled up the channel with commits before, nothing new :P |
| 16:32.59 | brlcad | just depends where my attention is at |
| 16:33.23 | Winny | :o |
| 16:35.38 | CIA-23 | libirc: 03brlcad * r365 10/trunk/libirc/ (5 files in 3 dirs): accept pelya's sf patch [ 1843257 ] "MSVC 6 project files" -- thanks\! |
| 16:39.16 | CIA-23 | libirc: 03brlcad * r366 10/trunk/libirc/AUTHORS: thank pelya for the vc6 build system addition |
| 16:41.10 | CIA-23 | libirc: 03brlcad * r367 10/trunk/libirc/Makefile.am: add vc6 to the source dist |
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| 18:00.56 | brlcad | so google's willing to donate some shirts to us for hosting the map-making and bot-making competitions |
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| 18:03.44 | JeffM | heh, shirts are currency ;) |
| 18:04.03 | JeffM | I can work with saturos to come up with designs if you want |
| 18:04.21 | brlcad | ah, she meant left-over gsoc shirts |
| 18:04.26 | JeffM | ahhhh |
| 18:04.28 | JeffM | good enough |
| 18:04.34 | brlcad | freebies |
| 18:04.44 | JeffM | do you want to make the bzrobots stuff work on windows first? |
| 18:04.47 | JeffM | or just leave it to nixies? |
| 18:05.00 | brlcad | heh, could give him a gsoc shirt for making a shirt design.. ;) |
| 18:05.42 | brlcad | ideally everyone of course, but there's even a lot of cleanup on the nix side that has to happen |
| 18:05.56 | brlcad | want to get the C++ and python interfaces both working cleanly and tested |
| 18:06.00 | JeffM | probably should put a plan together for that with milestones ( not dates, just features ) |
| 18:06.02 | brlcad | so users can try both |
| 18:06.13 | JeffM | that'll be "fun" on windows |
| 18:06.36 | JeffM | not imposible but fun |
| 18:07.00 | JeffM | probably just have to add a glue class or 3 in somewhere |
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| 18:10.30 | JeffM | if somone could make a list of the interfaces that the python stuff exports, that'd be a good help in starting it for windos, since I'd just have to glue the same stuff |
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| 18:34.07 | brlcad | I've been talking to these folks about their work since last week, really interesting stuff: |
| 18:34.10 | brlcad | http://www.slis.indiana.edu/news/story.php?story_id=1624 |
| 18:34.29 | brlcad | going to see if I can get a transcript or audio of some sort |
| 18:35.05 | brlcad | the research lead is a player on the gu servers (forget the name atm), working on three bzflag-specific research areas |
| 18:35.24 | brlcad | related to networking, on-line communication, and social interactions |
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| 19:09.51 | CIA-23 | GPLib: 03JeffM2501 * r35 10/trunk/GPLib/ (4 files in 4 dirs): start virtual file system wrapers |
| 19:14.52 | CIA-23 | GPLib: 03JeffM2501 * r36 10/trunk/GPLib/build/vc71/GPCore.vcproj: Add GPFile to vc71 project |
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| 19:54.10 | blast007 | hi f687s |
| 19:54.28 | f687s | hello |
| 19:54.38 | tannerld | hi f687s |
| 19:54.59 | f687s | hi (again) |
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| 21:04.10 | jftsang | hi |
| 21:06.15 | JeffM | word |
| 21:13.36 | f687s | sentence |
| 21:16.32 | jftsang | paragraph |
| 21:16.52 | jftsang | f687s should have said clause or phrase |
| 21:17.45 | f687s | page, chapter, book, library, wikipedia |
| 21:17.51 | f687s | did I miss anything? |
| 21:22.59 | delusional_ | participle |
| 21:23.30 | Erroneous | internet |
| 21:23.40 | JeffM | stream |
| 21:23.45 | Macrosoft | libraries of congress |
| 21:27.18 | f687s | how about "all written documents" |
| 21:28.41 | tannerld | everything. |
| 21:28.42 | tannerld | poof. |
| 21:28.43 | tannerld | I win. |
| 21:30.10 | f687s | And you win.....a new car! |
| 21:31.53 | delusional_ | impulse |
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| 21:41.27 | jftsang | intrat ictl |
| 21:41.30 | jftsang | exit jftsang :P |
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| 23:01.50 | brlcad | JeffM: CIA-MIA config change (I assume you're the one running it atm..) from snarl to Snarl |
| 23:01.56 | brlcad | otherwise it's missing them |
| 23:04.38 | JeffM | I'm not |
| 23:04.43 | JeffM | you are |
| 23:04.55 | JeffM | it's not running |
| 23:05.16 | brlcad | interesting.. |
| 23:05.25 | brlcad | must be detached |
| 23:05.35 | brlcad | it is running, just kicked from here |
| 23:05.41 | brlcad | CIA-23 is working |
| 23:05.50 | JeffM | ahh |
| 23:13.14 | JeffM | f687s, why do you want to reinvent the wheel? |
| 23:13.42 | JeffM | considering we are on wheel v.4 ;) |
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| 23:14.58 | Winny | the wheel is currently in beta. |
| 23:15.11 | JeffM | v.4.0 |
| 23:15.20 | JeffM | v. as the abreviation ;) |
| 23:15.25 | JeffM | for version |
| 23:16.31 | L4m3r | so now we have enough wheels to roll the car over a cliff? |
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| 23:26.18 | f687s | I'm reinventing a wheel? Cool. |
| 23:27.48 | a_meteorite | reinventing a wheel is far from cool, unless you are a grunt |
| 23:28.08 | JeffM | we need to finish our wheel ;) |
| 23:28.32 | awilcox | yay for developer releases :) |
| 23:28.32 | JeffM | f687s, re, using another langauge for a better bzedit |
| 23:28.57 | awilcox | oh, a_met, you're alive! |
| 23:29.15 | f687s | I am NOT writing another BZEdit. |
| 23:29.20 | a_meteorite | Yes, but doing schoolwork |
| 23:29.41 | JeffM | well you mentioned using another language, and that would basicly mean starting it over. |
| 23:30.19 | f687s | I was just wondering why you would _need_ to do it in C++ |
| 23:30.34 | JeffM | cus it's been done in C++ ;) |
| 23:30.40 | macsforme | we should do it in PHP |
| 23:30.44 | JeffM | techincaly you could "do" it in any language |
| 23:30.51 | f687s | PHP -- training wheels without the bike |
| 23:30.57 | L4m3r | macsforme: hell no, we should use Bash. |
| 23:31.06 | L4m3r | or BASIC |
| 23:31.15 | JeffM | but C++ 1) has a high level of UI and library support, and 2) is well known by the deveopers for maintenance. |
| 23:31.24 | JeffM | and 3) it's it's been done in C++ ;) |
| 23:31.32 | JeffM | there was a pybzedit |
| 23:31.35 | macsforme | L4m3r: better yet, let's make it a lighttpd plug-in |
| 23:31.37 | JeffM | there is also the blender tools |
| 23:31.47 | JeffM | those seem to have little use |
| 23:31.48 | f687s | And the first real thing I learned to do in C++ was make calls to Perl. |
| 23:32.08 | JeffM | well how many graphical UI libs do you know for perl? |
| 23:32.10 | f687s | wait...you can make plug-ins for lighthttpd? |
| 23:32.29 | f687s | JeffM: None...the CLI is where it's at |
| 23:32.37 | JeffM | also any other language that can't be compiled down to a native bin is going to have harder time with distribution |
| 23:32.49 | JeffM | f687s, ok, you define the CLI for a bzedit, tell me when your done ;) |
| 23:32.55 | JeffM | and it isn't a text editor |
| 23:32.56 | awilcox | ...f687s: You are suggesting to make a bzedit for CLI? |
| 23:33.04 | f687s | I write all my maps in TMCTE (the most convenient text editor) |
| 23:33.19 | JeffM | the point of that thread was for a graphical editor |
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| 23:33.53 | awilcox | HEY! I like bzwb :( |
| 23:34.06 | L4m3r | is bzwb in a usable state, now? I haven't played with it in a very long time. |
| 23:34.11 | awilcox | it's got strange mouse buttons, but bzwb is still nice |
| 23:34.13 | JeffM | that's where work should go, into finishing up bzWB |
| 23:34.14 | awilcox | L4m3r: I made a map with it |
| 23:34.22 | JeffM | yeah it needs a new UI layout |
| 23:34.26 | f687s | I cannot compile it, however hard I try |
| 23:34.30 | JeffM | but other then that it's goot a good backend |
| 23:35.21 | awilcox | s/goot/got/ :P |
| 23:35.40 | JeffM | became german for a bit :) |
| 23:35.41 | awilcox | f687s: I did it on Windows NT 5.1...*nix is nothing. pastebin your compiler errors |
| 23:35.54 | awilcox | JeffM: or Canadian :P |
| 23:36.00 | JeffM | you mean windows 2000? |
| 23:36.06 | awilcox | 5.1 = xp. |
| 23:36.12 | JeffM | then say XP |
| 23:36.15 | awilcox | and I don't really know why I typed it like that =/ |
| 23:36.34 | f687s | ../include/DrawInfo.h:114: warning: format '%d' expects type 'int', but argument 2 has type 'size_t' (seems like lousy code to me) |
| 23:36.44 | awilcox | O_O |
| 23:36.50 | awilcox | You have -Wextra on? |
| 23:37.08 | JeffM | what OS? |
| 23:37.17 | JeffM | but that's just a warning |
| 23:37.18 | L4m3r | perhaps if we tossed out some builds and let people use bzwb, more would be motivated to work on it ;) |
| 23:37.20 | JeffM | not an error |
| 23:37.34 | f687s | I have the default (somewhat hacked) makefile, on Mac OS X, and it ends with a bang (whenever the compile ends sometime in the near future). |
| 23:38.11 | JeffM | ahh, OSX |
| 23:38.18 | JeffM | good luck |
| 23:38.34 | JeffM | L4m3r, you mean like http://beta.bzflag.bz/builds/tools/ |
| 23:38.40 | f687s | It seems like almost every function is an undefined symbol |
| 23:38.56 | JeffM | you have the required libs? |
| 23:39.03 | JeffM | OSG, FLTK? |
| 23:39.20 | f687s | yes, installed them right before compiling |
| 23:39.27 | JeffM | are they found? |
| 23:39.32 | L4m3r | I don't see a bzwb buld there, JeffM |
| 23:39.44 | JeffM | what is the first error you get for undefined symbol you get? |
| 23:39.46 | JeffM | L4m3r, bzworkbench-20070825-r15444.zip |
| 23:39.54 | L4m3r | oh, it's zipped, no wonder |
| 23:39.54 | JeffM | that's a windows build |
| 23:40.00 | JeffM | yeah it has no installer |
| 23:40.10 | f687s | (well, I commented out the libs, so let's see what happens now) |
| 23:40.18 | L4m3r | -_- |
| 23:40.20 | JeffM | ahh so your another guesser |
| 23:40.34 | JeffM | well good luck randomly trying stuff instead of taking the time to work out what the problem is. |
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| 23:41.53 | f687s | (wow, my memory's low) Well, problem 1 was something about a bad switch -o"bzworkbench", so I had to fix that (with one space) |
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| 23:43.55 | f687s | Sorry, got no response |
| 23:43.57 | JeffM | why do people use macs? |
| 23:44.10 | f687s | Linux doesn't really work well on a mac :-0 |
| 23:44.19 | JeffM | same statement then ;) |
| 23:44.21 | a_meteorite | Because we like an OS that just works |
| 23:44.32 | JeffM | except when it dosnt' ;) |
| 23:44.37 | a_meteorite | Most of us are not in love with the hardware (unless you like aesthetics) |
| 23:45.16 | Macrosoft | a_meteorite: what's wrong with the 2x quad core setup on the mac pro ;) |
| 23:45.40 | JeffM | 5000$ |
| 23:45.41 | a_meteorite | Macrosoft: you can build a hackintosh for 1/4th the price, same, if not better, specs |
| 23:45.51 | Macrosoft | ...other than the whole "costs as much as a new car" problem |
| 23:45.57 | a_meteorite | Or maybe about 1/3rd |
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| 23:47.20 | f687s | It's a long story why I have a Mac.... |
| 23:47.30 | L4m3r | a while back they were trumpeting the mac pro at the ucla student store |
| 23:47.58 | L4m3r | super academic discount! $2000 for a box with no monitor, a gig of ram, and a 7300 |
| 23:48.30 | L4m3r | or was it 2G? |
| 23:49.41 | f687s | So far, the hacker spirit in me has broken Fink, crippled MacPorts, and is configured just enough differently to make many software packages cringe |
| 23:49.55 | JeffM | oh you used fink |
| 23:49.58 | JeffM | yeah there is your problem |
| 23:50.03 | JeffM | reinstall |
| 23:50.05 | JeffM | clean |
| 23:50.10 | JeffM | that will fix you up |
| 23:50.31 | JeffM | fink will eat your system for bunch |
| 23:50.41 | JeffM | it dosn't work well when other people update libs |
| 23:50.44 | JeffM | like oh say .. APPLE |
| 23:51.01 | JeffM | apt is a good concept, when it's the ONLY package manager on the the system. |
| 23:51.30 | a_meteorite | ports work well, they don't mess with my lib system |
| 23:51.34 | a_meteorite | (macports that is) |
| 23:51.53 | JeffM | I didn't mean there can not be good mac package managers |
| 23:52.13 | JeffM | I just meant that fink is not a good mac package manager ;) |
| 23:52.32 | a_meteorite | yeah, I agree |
| 23:52.42 | a_meteorite | for some reason that's what most concentrate on.. |
| 23:52.44 | JeffM | tho on an OS with some of the simplest app install requirements and packaging I don't see why anyone would need a package manager if they just make the apps the correct way |
| 23:53.08 | f687s | I also blew up apt on my Linux box, so that shows my skillz with package managers... |
| 23:53.14 | JeffM | being able to pack an entire lib framework into the .app is a very cool thing if it's used properly. |
| 23:54.14 | JeffM | you can drag that .app around anywhere and it'd just work |
| 23:54.32 | Macrosoft | customized http://mdk0.servegame.com/mac_pro.png |
| 23:54.35 | awilcox | f687s: how do you break apt, I must ask? |
| 23:55.05 | awilcox | f687s: I mean, that must have taken a lot of work. adept/synaptic/aptitude can't, apt-get won't easily, what were you using, dpkg? |
| 23:55.22 | JeffM | he probably edited stuff by hand |
| 23:55.31 | JeffM | or ran things that arn't part of the package manager |
| 23:55.37 | JeffM | apt gets busted by people who overthink it |
| 23:55.54 | JeffM | or need versions of stuff that isn't in the package system |
| 23:56.21 | Macrosoft | yeah, i think i messed mine up with compiz |
| 23:58.32 | f687s | I hand-edited the pools to get packages from Gutsy (instead of Dapper, which MEPIS uses) and ran a upgrade && dist-upgrade . You can take it from there... |
