| 00:00.11 | brlcad | Potato_ma1: oh, what's your version of libcurl .. there's an async bug in some versions |
| 00:00.27 | Erroneous | ahh |
| 00:00.41 | Erroneous | that sounds likely |
| 00:01.45 | awilcox | Potato_ma1: I believe the command to run is "yum query libcurl", but I could be wrong |
| 00:01.47 | brlcad | yeah, the at random times tipped me off |
| 00:02.01 | awilcox | JeffM: lol |
| 00:02.23 | JeffM | last damned SDK :| |
| 00:02.41 | Erroneous | at least you've downloaded it recently |
| 00:02.47 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:02.51 | JeffM | left it on the server |
| 00:02.53 | JeffM | thankfully |
| 00:03.17 | awilcox | O_O |
| 00:03.26 | JeffM | mail setup and the copy of the rest of the profile and I'm done I think |
| 00:03.28 | awilcox | tuxlappy:/usr/local/bin$ ./bzflag |
| 00:03.29 | awilcox | No fonts found (the -directory option may help). Exiting |
| 00:03.40 | JeffM | awilcox, did you do a make install as root? |
| 00:03.43 | Erroneous | the -directory option may help. |
| 00:03.45 | awilcox | JeffM: Yes. |
| 00:03.56 | JeffM | did you have an old bzflag install as well? |
| 00:04.00 | awilcox | err |
| 00:04.03 | awilcox | bugger :( |
| 00:04.12 | JeffM | use directory |
| 00:04.20 | JeffM | and tell it where the new data dir is |
| 00:04.51 | JeffM | indeed |
| 00:04.59 | awilcox | :( |
| 00:05.01 | awilcox | Segfault. |
| 00:05.26 | JeffM | probably the same problem |
| 00:05.41 | JeffM | heh |
| 00:05.55 | awilcox | lol |
| 00:06.00 | JeffM | awilcox, you can probalby change your MOTD URL in your config to localhost and it'll work |
| 00:07.25 | awilcox | Package: libcurl3 Maintainer: cavok AT deb ian DOT o r g Version: 7.15.5-1etch1 |
| 00:13.30 | awilcox | JeffM: I don't see a config file for it. |
| 00:13.39 | awilcox | Unless it's using 2.0, which afaik it was using at least 2.2 |
| 00:16.49 | F687s | If this isn't a bad time, could anybody tell me why I'm getting segfaults in my plugin? |
| 00:16.51 | F687s | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d7a8c51e0 |
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| 00:21.16 | JeffM | F687s, got any info on the segfualt? or are we just suposed to guess? |
| 00:21.24 | JeffM | get a stack dump |
| 00:22.29 | F687s | (how do I do that?) Whenever I type /fire (the slash command), it exits via a segfault or a bus error. |
| 00:22.33 | JeffM | but I see one big problem allready |
| 00:22.53 | JeffM | your FireHandler goes out of scope as soon as init ends |
| 00:23.01 | JeffM | you want that to be a global or to be static |
| 00:23.13 | JeffM | an you should release it when your done |
| 00:24.49 | F687s | I've moved it to static, outside the sub; let's see what happens |
| 00:24.58 | JeffM | the function |
| 00:25.05 | JeffM | if it's outside it dosn't need to be static ;) |
| 00:25.16 | JeffM | tho that will prevent it from being exported on nix so that's good |
| 00:26.49 | F687s | I updated it, and it still dies (the link is updated too). |
| 00:27.10 | JeffM | you build with debug info? |
| 00:27.26 | F687s | How do you do that? |
| 00:27.51 | JeffM | you diddn't move your file hander outside |
| 00:28.01 | JeffM | I'm tallking about line 109 |
| 00:28.07 | JeffM | mov that up to like 106 |
| 00:28.51 | F687s | I moved it to line 47, with the other variable; I'll see if moving it there helps. |
| 00:29.09 | JeffM | not in the code in that pastebin |
| 00:29.14 | JeffM | ether shuld be fine |
| 00:29.22 | JeffM | basic C |
| 00:30.08 | F687s | Cool, it works |
| 00:30.40 | F687s | Thanks. (sorry, not a C++ expert) |
| 00:31.04 | JeffM | as I said, that's basic C |
| 00:31.10 | JeffM | like week one stuff |
| 00:31.32 | F687s | I learn by doing, and everything I need to do I do in Perl ;-) |
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| 00:31.47 | JeffM | I highly recomend you do the basic tutorials |
| 00:39.18 | JeffM | even with that mod your plug-in will crash if somone manualy unloads it |
| 00:44.40 | JeffM | awwwww. I can't debug stuff writen on MFC 4.2 anymore :( |
| 00:50.21 | F687s | P.S. Is the float * coordinates stored as an {x,y,z} array? |
| 00:50.57 | JeffM | ya |
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| 00:55.30 | Macrosoft | 0_o they got jeff again! |
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| 01:25.52 | JeffM__ | they? |
| 01:25.59 | JeffM__ | there is no they |
| 01:26.15 | JeffM__ | I had to plug in the vista and dev drives into that machine |
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| 02:42.15 | spldart | Everytime I see your name I think SigSauer :-0 |
| 02:42.23 | spldart | I don't know why |
| 02:42.37 | sigonasr2 | Well, that's fine by me :) |
| 02:43.04 | spldart | :) |
| 02:43.58 | spldart | I'm glad your not offended... Just noting that strange mental connection of mine |
| 02:44.47 | awilcox | I don't know who either of them is. |
| 02:45.00 | awilcox | I just know who spldart is; the friendly guy that sometimes short circuits ;) |
| 02:46.00 | spldart | LOL :) |
| 02:47.02 | spldart | google it if your really curious... If you don't approve sorry |
| 02:48.21 | Macrosoft | spldart: lotsa guns |
| 02:48.46 | spldart | I love target shooting... but not a hunter |
| 02:50.23 | awilcox | Macrosoft: so what tis it? |
| 02:50.46 | Macrosoft | awilcox: in short, a game |
| 02:50.52 | awilcox | ahh. |
| 02:54.24 | Macrosoft | spldart: you need hardware that isnt even available yet to run it at max quality :( |
| 02:54.42 | spldart | What about minimal practical |
| 02:55.22 | Macrosoft | spldart: thats more reasonable, although i dont remember the minimum requirements of the top of my head |
| 02:56.17 | Macrosoft | *off |
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| 04:29.07 | awilcox | Hmm. |
| 04:29.21 | awilcox | Macrosoft: what _are_ the minimum requirements of the top of your head? :P |
| 04:43.15 | Constitution | blast007: did you ever get my question on the sql query to turn on attachments in all my posts? |
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| 04:48.32 | GreaseMonkey | hey guys, i'm making a map, but for some stupid reason I keep getting an exit=1 error when I attempt to use it |
| 04:48.38 | GreaseMonkey | it's bzflag 2.0.8 btw |
| 04:49.04 | Constitution | what's the output? |
| 04:49.18 | GreaseMonkey | Failed (exit = 1) |
| 04:49.18 | Constitution | oh, that's from the "start server" menu? |
| 04:49.22 | GreaseMonkey | yeah |
| 04:49.30 | GreaseMonkey | should I try with bzfs? |
| 04:49.33 | Constitution | yes |
| 04:49.45 | Constitution | and update to 2.0.10, if you can |
| 04:50.21 | GreaseMonkey | ok |
| 04:50.27 | GreaseMonkey | well, bzfs looks OK... |
| 04:51.23 | GreaseMonkey | i'll just stick with bzfs |
| 04:51.51 | Constitution | it's better for almost anything besides casual playing |
| 04:52.13 | GreaseMonkey | k |
| 04:52.34 | GreaseMonkey | thx |
| 04:52.39 | Constitution | np |
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| 05:59.22 | awilcox | GreaseMonkey: stupid question. you play bzflag!? |
| 06:11.41 | GreaseMonkey | yeah |
| 06:11.50 | GreaseMonkey | i'm making a map |
| 06:12.06 | GreaseMonkey | i'm out of ideas so i'm recreating DooM's E1M1 (Hangar) |
| 06:16.01 | GreaseMonkey | afk, food |
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| 17:27.15 | Syd_Barrett | how do you set up bzfs to allow ONLY centrally-authenticated users in? |
| 17:34.05 | donny_baker | use the permission REQUIREIDENTIFY to the everyone goup, i think |
| 17:35.13 | donny_baker | so it would look like this EVERYONE: +REQUIREIDENTIFY |
| 17:35.50 | donny_baker | or you could just do EVEREYONE: -ALL and then have REQUIRIDENTIFY in the VERIFIED group |
| 17:35.51 | brlcad | Syd_Barrett: I'd highly recommend against it -- generally just decimates your player community over time |
| 17:36.07 | brlcad | at least with the way registration currently works |
| 17:36.20 | donny_baker | Syd_Barrett: we have tried it on norang several times... REQUIREIDENTIFY == no players |
| 17:36.23 | Syd_Barrett | really? |
| 17:36.42 | Syd_Barrett | what do you guys think though? is it bad to have it? |
| 17:37.10 | donny_baker | on norang we always end up allowing everyone to play after a week or two of empty servers |
| 17:37.11 | Syd_Barrett | i would think it would be good to keep trolls from coming |
| 17:37.19 | brlcad | i think it's a horrible move for many reasons until we fix it so in-game registration works :) |
| 17:37.22 | donny_baker | yes, it is good at that |
| 17:37.49 | brlcad | it's good at that simply by making it good at keeping everyone from coming |
| 17:37.50 | donny_baker | but then your servers never make it up the ;list and attract other players... which = empty servers |
| 17:38.02 | Syd_Barrett | yeah very true |
| 17:38.11 | whodaman- | donny_baker, does that irc link on bzbb work or was that deactivated? |
| 17:38.27 | whodaman- | it's never worked for me but I wasn't sure |
| 17:38.39 | Syd_Barrett | how do i make a box/pyramid where one can move through it, shoot out of it and but not allow shots in? |
| 17:38.53 | brlcad | Syd_Barrett: I'd suggest just entrusting more adminship and publishing a list of admin/cop rules |
| 17:39.11 | donny_baker | whodaman-: looking now |
| 17:39.18 | Syd_Barrett | well, we want to start very very small brlcad |
| 17:39.25 | brlcad | or making the polling system limits a LOT easier to pass a poll |
| 17:39.27 | Syd_Barrett | only have 3 admins for now |
| 17:39.34 | donny_baker | whodaman-: yeah, seems not to work |
| 17:40.26 | donny_baker | Syd_Barrett: i would reccomend finding more, but you have to be careful... everyone wants to be an admin, but few are capable of doing it well |
| 17:40.29 | brlcad | Syd_Barrett: that's my point, unless one of you three are always on the server, it won't get any bigger than very very small |
| 17:40.43 | whodaman- | donny_baker, I just thought, IF it were working to change the name "Chat Room"... some people might get the wrong impression |
| 17:40.43 | brlcad | because there's nobody taking care of the server from the player's perspective |
| 17:41.05 | donny_baker | whodaman-: good point |
| 17:41.29 | whodaman- | donny_baker, you know this here "HI!" "It's really quiet in here" |
| 17:41.47 | donny_baker | yeah, i can see that could be an issue |
| 17:42.18 | Syd_Barrett | donny_baker: yeah i dont want the goon squad coming for admin... i'd prefer to only give admin to someone i personally know |
| 17:43.08 | donny_baker | that is a good policy, but it will take a while... hang in there |
| 17:43.41 | donny_baker | another way is to see if some admins you respect from other servers would be willing to help you out |
| 17:44.14 | whodaman- | Syd_Barrett, you know, there are enough good people known around the community that are always chosen for a start |
| 17:46.36 | Syd_Barrett | ok thanks for the advice |
| 17:46.43 | brlcad | there are a couple "global admin" groups you can add that some servers use |
| 17:46.49 | Syd_Barrett | i'll get my down bro's to see what they think |
| 17:47.16 | brlcad | that are a collection of some of the primary server operators, long-standing players, and some of the developers |
| 17:47.46 | brlcad | they're usually safe to add unless your server rules are bizarre |
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| 17:58.22 | Syd_Barrett | how do i make a box/pyramid where one can move through it, shoot out of it and but not allow shots in? |
| 17:59.32 | donny_baker | a good place to see that kind of stuff is in maps that are already made (I'm not a map maker) |
| 17:59.46 | donny_baker | you can download some of the maps on the norang servers |
| 18:00.04 | donny_baker | http://bzflag.bzflag3.norang.ca |
| 18:00.41 | donny_baker | go to the maps in the bzflag client, find a feature you like, and figure out how they did it in ithe map file |
| 18:01.05 | donny_baker | you can also search for it on the forums, or on the wiki |
| 18:03.48 | whodaman- | or join ##bzw for some quesions |
| 18:04.03 | whodaman- | be patient though |
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| 18:18.55 | Syd_Barrett | ack whodaman- there is no #bzw |
| 18:18.59 | Syd_Barrett | :-) |
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| 18:51.23 | strayer | Pimpi_ > are you around? |
| 18:55.24 | whodaman- | Syd_Barrett, [19:03] <whodaman-> or join ##bzw for some quesions |
| 18:55.28 | whodaman- | I said ##bzw |
| 18:55.34 | whodaman- | not #bzw |
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| 19:20.11 | Syd_Barrett | sorry whodaman- :-\ |
| 19:20.28 | whodaman- | np, reading is hard :P |
| 19:20.33 | Syd_Barrett | tell me about it |
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| 19:29.56 | Syd_Barrett | has anyone ever sat down and done a section on the different players in bzflag wiki? |
| 19:30.11 | Syd_Barrett | like a somewhat serious one |
| 19:30.19 | JeffM | isn't realy what the wiki is for |
| 19:30.29 | Syd_Barrett | not like... This is J. Choad ... he is a ummm ... a choad |
| 19:30.32 | JeffM | how could you do that and be impartioal |
| 19:30.41 | JeffM | and what info would it serve |
| 19:30.44 | Syd_Barrett | hmm good question |
| 19:30.52 | JeffM | that's more of a thing for my.bzflag.org where you do user comments |
| 19:30.56 | Syd_Barrett | it would be an interesting read JeffM |
| 19:31.08 | JeffM | it may be, but that dosn't mean it belongs on that wiki |
| 19:31.17 | JeffM | that's more blogish |
| 19:31.23 | Syd_Barrett | so the wiki is ONLY for the bzflag software? |
| 19:31.40 | JeffM | umm yeah... that's why we host it as the bzflag project wiki |
| 19:31.51 | JeffM | we've allready streched it a bit talking about servers |
| 19:31.52 | Syd_Barrett | there are entries for different servers |
| 19:31.58 | Syd_Barrett | yes |
| 19:32.07 | JeffM | I'm not happy with those but they are somewhat informational and should be impartial |
| 19:32.09 | Syd_Barrett | i figured the next logical move might be players |
| 19:32.16 | JeffM | no that would be the too far step |
| 19:32.18 | Syd_Barrett | well the player bio's should be impartial |
| 19:32.22 | Syd_Barrett | i do see one for Teppic |
| 19:32.26 | JeffM | it can't and will neve rbee |
| 19:32.47 | Syd_Barrett | same thing could be said about bzflag software and map-making software |
| 19:32.48 | JeffM | the server stuff should move to my.bzflag.org as part of the stats system at some point |
| 19:33.08 | Syd_Barrett | if you did it like that, that would make sense |
| 19:33.32 | JeffM | the odds are much higher that descriptions of the softwares can be impartal over that of players |
| 19:34.50 | Syd_Barrett | i have to agree though... it would open up for some abuse |
| 19:34.59 | JeffM | where some == total |
| 19:35.02 | Syd_Barrett | taht would cause constant oversight |
| 19:35.09 | JeffM | and it has no place |
| 19:35.12 | JeffM | we are not your blog |
| 19:35.16 | JeffM | get one, they are free ;) |
| 19:35.17 | Syd_Barrett | i wouldnt say absolutely not |
| 19:35.27 | Syd_Barrett | no i would only say good things about people |
| 19:35.32 | JeffM | any description of any player will be an opinion |
| 19:35.39 | JeffM | at least with servers there are some verifable facts |
| 19:35.39 | Syd_Barrett | talk about their achievements and the like |
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| 19:35.54 | JeffM | with players, the only facts would be a log of what they have done. |
| 19:36.02 | JeffM | that's what user talk pages are for |
| 19:36.08 | JeffM | not articles |
| 19:36.30 | JeffM | developer articles state facts about the developer ( stuff they wrote ) and it's informational so peole can know who to ask what |
| 19:36.41 | JeffM | but if you want to toot your own horn, use the user talk page |
| 19:36.46 | JeffM | not an aticle |
| 19:36.55 | Syd_Barrett | i have nothing to toot it for |
| 19:36.57 | Syd_Barrett | ;-) |
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| 19:58.56 | Syd_Barrett | any thoughts on handicaps? are these useful? or used much by any servers? |
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| 20:02.43 | tannerld_ | Syd_Barrett: I don't think I've ever seen a server w/ handicaps |
| 20:08.27 | DTRemenak | how would you tell? :) |
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| 20:09.18 | tannerld_ | DTRemenak: they all have ramps with wheel chair parking spots and bottled 02 |
| 20:09.19 | Pimpi_ | strayer: working on it ;) |
| 20:09.31 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:09.46 | strayer | Pimpi_: now or ... these days? ^^ |
| 20:09.59 | Pimpi_ | right now |
| 20:11.25 | strayer | wow...it's not my aim to cause pressure...but...hurry up! *kidding* |
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| 20:24.24 | Pimpi_ | strayer: it's loaded |
| 20:24.58 | strayer | so..the plugin and the "new" email match reporting format are working now? |
| 20:25.08 | Pimpi_ | ?? |
| 20:25.29 | Pimpi_ | i installed catay's new plugin version |
| 20:25.53 | strayer | ok...and what about the match report email? |
| 20:26.01 | Pimpi_ | do you wan't both, new mail format and new plugin? |
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| 20:26.34 | strayer | yes, please...because the email stuff is thought to be the fallback system in case the realtime reporting wouldn't work somewhy |
| 20:26.44 | Pimpi_ | k |
| 20:27.17 | strayer | fantastic...thank you Pimpi_! |
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| 22:01.11 | Constitution | ~whodaman-++ |
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| 22:07.00 | awilcox | ~ccache++ |
| 22:07.29 | Tupone | distcc++;ccache-- |
| 22:07.36 | whodaman- | Constitution, it's working quite nicely |
| 22:07.40 | whodaman- | ~Constitution++ |
| 22:07.42 | Constitution | yep |
| 22:07.45 | Constitution | lol |
| 22:08.32 | awilcox | StdOut, StdIn, StdBoth?! |
| 22:09.05 | awilcox | what operation could you do on both, except maybe flush? |
| 22:09.17 | awilcox | and uh...booyah. |
| 22:09.18 | awilcox | Elapsed time since configuration: 51 minutes, 5 seconds |
| 22:09.19 | awilcox | Elapsed compilation time: 49 minutes, 25 seconds |
| 22:09.31 | awilcox | It took almost two hours before ccache. |
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| 22:14.01 | awilcox | oops. |
| 22:14.10 | awilcox | now the motd isn't faulting, but setting the keymap is >_> |
| 22:14.25 | Thumper_ | awilcox: you need to fix it better |
| 22:16.16 | awilcox | Thumper_: I didn't even change the code. |
| 22:16.29 | awilcox | great, running it inside gdb just makes X lock. |
| 22:16.43 | awilcox | this is lovely. |
| 22:16.56 | awilcox | it wasn't this unstable the last time I tested it >:( |
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| 22:18.09 | awilcox | oh...it didn't lock, it just segv'd |
| 22:22.29 | awilcox | erm. |
| 22:22.43 | awilcox | is there a channel for dev talk? |
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| 22:23.24 | Tupone | dev talk on what? |
| 22:23.42 | Tupone | this is the channel for bzflag-development |
| 22:24.03 | Tupone | (not much to say then) :( |
| 22:24.18 | awilcox | Program received signal SIGFPE, Arithmetic exception. |
| 22:24.18 | awilcox | [Switching to Thread -1219193152 (LWP 20564)] |
| 22:24.18 | awilcox | 0x082e4144 in FTGLTextureFont::MakeGlyph () at buildDate.cxx:157 |
| 22:24.36 | Tupone | That is brlcad experiment |
| 22:24.56 | awilcox | I know, it was incredibly stable, and works in fullscreen |
| 22:25.06 | awilcox | but when I started bzflag with -window, it did that. |
| 22:25.52 | Tupone | why you don't just look at the backtrace and see who is failing |
| 22:28.46 | awilcox | I'm trying. the problem is, it is locking my cursor. I just added a rule in KDE to disallow cursor capture |
| 22:30.06 | bryjen | there an option in bzflag for that "Confine Mouse" |
| 22:30.08 | Tupone | hmm?? kde? I guess is bzflag |
| 22:31.43 | awilcox | bryjen: the problem is I can't get to the options screen :p |
| 22:31.50 | The_Vaxorcist | have you considered running bzflag in a separate X session? |
| 22:32.05 | awilcox | The_Vaxorcist: I don't know how to run multiple X sessions. |
| 22:32.14 | awilcox | on a scale of 1 to 10, I'm a 4 or so on X11 |
| 22:32.41 | The_Vaxorcist | run X :1 vt8 & |
| 22:32.47 | Tupone | set mousegrab false on config.cfg IIRC |
| 22:33.00 | The_Vaxorcist | then DISPLAY=:1 bzflag |
| 22:33.40 | awilcox | The_Vaxorcist: no freaking way... |
| 22:33.44 | awilcox | that was too easy :P |
| 22:33.52 | awilcox | ~The_Vaxorcist++ |
| 22:33.53 | Tupone | awilcox: do what I said |
| 22:34.03 | bryjen | and cross your fingers it doesn't crash switch vt's |
| 22:34.18 | bryjen | s/switch/switching/ |
| 22:34.23 | The_Vaxorcist | bryjen: hehe |
| 22:34.29 | Tupone | open config.cfg under ~/.bzf/2.whatever/config.cfg |
| 22:34.30 | awilcox | Tupone: the problem is, it doesn't even have a config.cfg yet |
| 22:34.47 | awilcox | it's crashing making a font, it hasn't even read the config file yet, afaik |
| 22:35.19 | Tupone | you told mouse is confined, so it should have read that |
| 22:35.57 | bryjen | confined may be the default |
| 22:36.41 | Tupone | yeah, maybe |
| 22:37.23 | awilcox | roflmao. |
| 22:37.25 | awilcox | [New Thread -1218992448 (LWP 20684)] |
| 22:37.25 | awilcox | XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":1.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining. |
| 22:37.52 | awilcox | X11 just segfaulte. |
| 22:37.58 | awilcox | s/faulte/faulted/ |
| 22:38.19 | Tupone | :1 ?? |
| 22:38.22 | awilcox | yes. |
| 22:38.34 | Tupone | ahh, yeah. |
| 22:39.44 | Tupone | another things is run from a vt |
| 22:39.50 | awilcox | bryjen: well, it didn't crash switching VTs, though the LCD freaked out switching resolution so many times :p |
| 22:40.03 | Tupone | with gdb and DISPLAY=:0 |
| 22:40.32 | awilcox | ...okay |
| 22:41.42 | awilcox | Tupone: X11 crashes again. |
| 22:41.54 | awilcox | oh, DISPLAY=:0 |
| 22:41.57 | awilcox | well, I dunno |
| 22:42.06 | awilcox | I don't want to crash that X11, I have things open in that one :( |
| 22:42.08 | Tupone | start one X server only |
| 22:42.14 | awilcox | I'll try it. |
| 22:42.28 | Tupone | do an xhost + on that |
| 22:43.06 | awilcox | okay that worked :D |
| 22:43.07 | awilcox | yay |
| 22:43.10 | awilcox | I have backtrace |
| 22:43.28 | Tupone | please do not post :) |
| 22:43.31 | awilcox | hmm, if I were smart I would have opened gdb in screen so I could reattach |
| 22:43.36 | awilcox | Tupone: hehe, I won't, I will pastebin |
| 22:43.53 | awilcox | ~bzpastebin |
| 22:43.54 | ibot | bzpastebin is, like, http://pastebin.bzflag.bz a place to put large chunks of text to not flood a channel |
| 22:47.12 | Pimpi_ | awilcox: i also have roblems with crashing x11, but it happens also with other opengl apps |
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| 22:54.08 | bryjen | if i break at motd.cxx:92 and print messages[0] its valid. one line further and its trashed. |
| 22:54.24 | awilcox | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/f64c4c9f |
| 22:54.47 | JeffM | death to bad RAM! |
| 22:55.04 | awilcox | JeffM: O_O Then why does it work in fullscreen mode? |
| 22:55.24 | awilcox | er, that may not have been meant for me. |
| 22:55.33 | JeffM | heh |
| 22:55.37 | JeffM | I have bad ram |
| 22:55.42 | JeffM | what is your problem? |
| 22:55.55 | JeffM | ahh ATI font |
| 22:56.12 | JeffM | you can turn on bitmap fonts with a couple command line options |
| 22:56.22 | JeffM | that usualyhelps with ATI cards/drivers |
| 22:56.54 | JeffM | let me look, I have 5 more memory tests to run |
| 22:57.15 | awilcox | JeffM: it works fine in fullscreen |
| 22:57.17 | awilcox | just not -window'd |
| 22:57.25 | JeffM | sure, less GL load |
| 22:57.36 | JeffM | more texture ram, no context swaps, etc.. |
| 22:57.55 | JeffM | when in windowed mode the driver has to do more work |
| 22:58.03 | JeffM | it's not just "show this big context" |
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| 23:01.03 | JeffM | awilcox, start by just setting, UseBitmapFonts to true or 1 |
| 23:01.06 | JeffM | in your conifg |
| 23:01.10 | JeffM | see if that helps |
| 23:01.41 | JeffM | that will make all the fonts be bitmaped |
| 23:01.50 | JeffM | f that works, and your happy with it, run with it |
| 23:02.13 | JeffM | if that works, and it looks bad, you can play with the MinAliasedFontSize setting |
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| 23:02.20 | JeffM | to see how small you can go before you go bitmap |
| 23:02.36 | awilcox | JeffM: but I don't know where to put the config file. |
| 23:02.48 | awilcox | does it go in ~/.bzf/2.99? |
| 23:02.50 | JeffM | anywhere |
| 23:02.50 | awilcox | or 2.2? |
| 23:02.54 | JeffM | set THING 1 |
| 23:03.02 | awilcox | ... |
| 23:03.15 | awilcox | directory |
| 23:03.18 | JeffM | current should be looking in a 3.0 dir |
| 23:03.22 | JeffM | wherever you config is |
| 23:03.41 | awilcox | okay |
| 23:03.44 | JeffM | on nix I think that's ~/.bzf/3.0/config.cfg |
| 23:03.47 | JeffM | or something like that |
| 23:03.49 | awilcox | because I don't have any config dir at all |
| 23:04.06 | JeffM | fun |
| 23:04.09 | awilcox | yeah. |
| 23:04.15 | JeffM | copy your old config into that dir |
| 23:04.18 | JeffM | and add it |
| 23:04.25 | awilcox | okay |
| 23:04.45 | JeffM | or install windows |
| 23:06.07 | spldart | :eek: |
| 23:06.17 | JeffM | DTRemenak / Erroneous should the cahce off tests be VERY slow? |
| 23:06.28 | awilcox | ~lart JeffM for suggesting Windows, when he's trying to fix a nix problem |
| 23:06.28 | ibot | calls JeffM on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home for suggesting Windows, when he's trying to fix a nix problem |
| 23:06.51 | JeffM | awilcox, not my fault if you have a non openGL complint driver and windows does |
| 23:06.57 | Constitution | http://www.apple.com/getamac |
| 23:06.58 | JeffM | don't hate the playa, hate the game. |
| 23:07.10 | Gnurdux | eww |
| 23:07.14 | Gnurdux | mac |
| 23:07.22 | JeffM | well yeah you could install windows on that, but you'd pay a lot |
| 23:07.23 | Gnurdux | that site pisses me off for a funny reason |
| 23:07.24 | Constitution | hi Gnurdux :) |
| 23:07.30 | TD-Linux | leopard's file browser is really messed up |
| 23:07.37 | JeffM | he has fine hardware,it's just a driver issue |
| 23:07.40 | spldart | Heh... some drivers for windoze aren't properly openGL compliant either.... but I know I know... It's more true than not |
| 23:07.53 | awilcox | I think we started a flamewar :p |
| 23:08.04 | JeffM | spldart, most that don't do GL use the sofware implementation that is fine |
| 23:08.07 | JeffM | it's just slow |
| 23:08.17 | spldart | Very |
| 23:08.57 | JeffM | but realy the DRI drivers with ATI seem to have problems with doing lots of interpolated textured quads in orthogonal space |
| 23:08.59 | Gnurdux | 3. Everything-ready. |
| 23:08.59 | Gnurdux | The Mac is the only computer in the world that can run all the major operating systems, including Mac OS X, Windows XP, and Vista. With software like Parallels Desktop or VMware Fusion you can even run them side by side. More |
| 23:09.10 | Gnurdux | from the site... well, whose fault is that? |
| 23:09.18 | awilcox | JeffM: I'm not using DRI |
| 23:09.18 | JeffM | we'll have to see if we can detect the crap ATI stuff at launch |
| 23:09.24 | JeffM | awilcox, what are you using? |
| 23:09.32 | Gnurdux | its apple's! its apple who prevents OSX from working on non-Macs, its not like Mcas have anything special |
| 23:09.34 | awilcox | JeffM: I don't know. straight X afaik |
| 23:09.41 | JeffM | awilcox, that'd be DRI then |
| 23:09.47 | awilcox | (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
| 23:09.50 | TD-Linux | Gnurdux, o.O |
| 23:09.52 | Gnurdux | there we go |
| 23:09.58 | Gnurdux | that would explain it |
| 23:10.06 | JeffM | what card? |
| 23:10.12 | Gnurdux | and what driver? |
| 23:10.45 | awilcox | JeffM: RADEON 7000-based IGP 340M in a Presario 2100US notebook PC |
| 23:10.50 | awilcox | Gnurdux: Debian default |
| 23:10.52 | TD-Linux | ew |
| 23:11.05 | Gnurdux | awilcox, you probably want the closed source drive |
| 23:11.05 | Gnurdux | r |
| 23:11.14 | awilcox | Gnurdux: tried it, unsupported. |
| 23:11.19 | Gnurdux | really? |
| 23:11.22 | Gnurdux | that sucks |
| 23:11.22 | awilcox | yes. |
| 23:11.23 | TD-Linux | actually, that's impossible, because it's not a card :p |
| 23:11.42 | TD-Linux | I thought the 'ati' driver had good 3D support on old radeons |
| 23:11.50 | TD-Linux | awilcox, check to make sure you aren't using the vesa driver |
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| 23:12.16 | awilcox | (**) RADEON(0): RADEONEnterVT |
| 23:12.27 | Gnurdux | ok, thats the "radeon" driver |
| 23:12.55 | spldart | I don't recall the 'ati' driver supporting 3d :confused: |
| 23:13.10 | Gnurdux | and it SHOULD handle your card |
| 23:13.30 | TD-Linux | spldart, it doesn't on new cards |
| 23:13.35 | Gnurdux | it probably doesn't handle aiglx |
| 23:13.37 | TD-Linux | 9xxx and below it does, but very slow |
| 23:13.50 | TD-Linux | radeon/ati driver supports aiglx |
| 23:13.57 | TD-Linux | but it'd be too slow on that card anyway |
| 23:14.04 | spldart | I know it wont on new but I thought it only provided 2d accell on the cards it did support |
| 23:14.08 | spldart | I guess I was wrong |
| 23:14.14 | Gnurdux | awilcox, whats the exact problem? |
| 23:14.35 | TD-Linux | it's about 3 times slower (at least) than the official drivers |
| 23:14.42 | JeffM | 7k is not suported by the real ATI driver |
| 23:14.46 | JeffM | that's the DRI driver IIRC |
| 23:15.42 | spldart | 7xxx and some 8xxx cards aren't supported by the ATI driver IIRC |
| 23:16.08 | spldart | If you try to force it you get some nice crashes though |
| 23:16.23 | JeffM | so yeah you are using DRI |
| 23:17.38 | Gnurdux | oh, bzflag is crashing x |
| 23:17.56 | Gnurdux | what about Xorg.0.log ? |
| 23:18.16 | awilcox | Gnurdux: no, bzflag isn't crashing X |
| 23:18.26 | awilcox | Gnurdux: http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/f64c4c9f |
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| 23:18.43 | Gnurdux | oh, X is crashng bzflag |
| 23:18.49 | randomparticle | is there a geno scoreboard bug? |
| 23:18.57 | Gnurdux | well GLX |
| 23:19.02 | awilcox | Program received signal SIGFPE, Arithmetic exception |
| 23:19.23 | randomparticle | http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/giraffe/scorebug.jpg |
| 23:20.02 | Pimpinella | now, any opengl crashes X here, so if somebody has the same problem and finds a solution, let me know |
| 23:20.14 | Pimpinella | and i'm using nvidia here |
| 23:20.15 | randomparticle | it says 12-1, but if you look at the kills i'm 2-1 vs War Machine and 0-1 vs Monster |
| 23:20.36 | Gnurdux | why would that be a GL problem? |
| 23:20.48 | Gnurdux | im guessing FPE = Floating Point Exception |
| 23:21.12 | awilcox | Gnurdux: I'm not good with signal names, but I assume that from my days as a IA-32 systems programmer |
| 23:21.20 | Gnurdux | k |
| 23:21.28 | Gnurdux | yep, wikipedia agree |
| 23:21.31 | randomparticle | i was shot by geno and it didn't add a death to the total |
| 23:21.32 | awilcox | :) |
| 23:22.09 | awilcox | randomparticle: Your request for support is now Second in queue. Your estimated hold time is 15 minutes. |
| 23:22.15 | randomparticle | :) |
| 23:22.18 | awilcox | :P |
| 23:23.02 | TD-Linux | randomparticle: 2.0.x? |
| 23:23.09 | randomparticle | 2.0.10rc3 |
| 23:23.20 | Constitution | randomparticle: can you reproduce it? |
| 23:23.27 | TD-Linux | aah |
| 23:23.31 | randomparticle | only if a teammate gets shot by geno :) |
| 23:23.37 | TD-Linux | 2.0.x doesn't handle scores properly |
| 23:23.39 | randomparticle | and even then it doesn't happen every time |
| 23:23.45 | TD-Linux | your scores aren't always updated |
| 23:23.50 | randomparticle | i see |
| 23:23.52 | TD-Linux | other people see the scores properly though |
| 23:24.13 | TD-Linux | though I thought those functions were removed from the api when the bug was discovered... |
| 23:24.32 | randomparticle | seems a relatively rare occurrence. not that i'm always watching my score, though ;) |
| 23:24.58 | Gnurdux | randomparticle, use a testserver then |
| 23:25.09 | Gnurdux | make a server with all geno flags and just one team |
| 23:25.49 | awilcox | JeffM: hmm |
| 23:25.59 | awilcox | set useBitmapFonts 1 makes the FTGL crash go away |
| 23:25.59 | Constitution | randomparticle: on an unrelated note, you're on leopard, right? |
| 23:26.04 | randomparticle | yes |
| 23:26.22 | Constitution | would you be willing to test our release binary? |
| 23:26.56 | randomparticle | possibly. thing is, i'm going to be offline for a few days soon |
| 23:26.59 | Constitution | it reportedly works on Tiger and Panther, but we haven't had testers for Leopard |
| 23:27.09 | randomparticle | which SDL version did you use? |
| 23:27.16 | Constitution | .11 |
| 23:27.23 | randomparticle | that should be ok |
| 23:27.28 | Constitution | http://beta.bzflag.bz/builds/2.0.x/MacOSX/BZFlag-2.0.10.dmg |
| 23:27.29 | randomparticle | .12 is dodgy |
| 23:27.38 | randomparticle | ok |
| 23:28.44 | JeffM | awilcox, ? |
| 23:29.17 | awilcox | JeffM: it doesn't SIGFPE if I turn on useBitmapFonts |
| 23:29.19 | JeffM | randomparticle, your previous findings are under dispute |
| 23:29.23 | awilcox | you were correct. |
| 23:29.27 | randomparticle | previous findings? |
| 23:29.39 | JeffM | the .12 sdlhaving issues |
| 23:29.45 | JeffM | seems they also updated sdl main |
| 23:29.50 | JeffM | brlcad was looking into it |
| 23:30.07 | JeffM | he indicated that the problem seemed to be that you had a .12 sdl, and .11 sdl main |
| 23:30.24 | JeffM | awilcox, I've dealt with the suck of DRI many times |
| 23:30.50 | randomparticle | what does that mean? |
| 23:31.00 | JeffM | sdl main is a seperate package from sdl |
| 23:31.23 | JeffM | and on the mac it is needed for bzflag, as it handles all the apple event stuff ( I'm just repeating what he said to me about it ) |
| 23:31.24 | randomparticle | package? |
| 23:31.33 | JeffM | zip, install, whatever |
| 23:31.46 | JeffM | there is sdl dev and sdl main dev, so he says |
| 23:31.53 | JeffM | I';m just saying you may want to discuss it with him |
| 23:32.02 | JeffM | Constitution went and used .11 anyway to be sure |
| 23:32.04 | randomparticle | i did the same thing for .12 that i did for .11 |
| 23:32.21 | JeffM | was it on a clean system? |
| 23:32.22 | randomparticle | i just downloaded the tarball and put it through xcode to build the framework |
| 23:32.32 | JeffM | aperantly there is another thing to install |
| 23:32.34 | JeffM | but talk to him |
| 23:32.38 | randomparticle | must have been clean because i'd only just installed bzflag then |
| 23:32.38 | JeffM | I'm just informing you |
| 23:33.05 | JeffM | we discussed it much when Constitution was geting ready to build the package. |
| 23:33.05 | randomparticle | but i didn't have to d/l or build two projects for .11, so i'm not sure how that works |
| 23:33.13 | JeffM | again, talk to him |
| 23:33.16 | randomparticle | ok |
| 23:36.03 | awilcox | I am experiencing what bryjen is: messages[0] is corrupt after line 92 of motd.cxx is executed. I'm investigating this further now. |
| 23:36.21 | Tupone | randomparticle: a file called SDLmain.m . you know that? |
| 23:37.09 | randomparticle | not really familiar with all the sdl files |
| 23:37.33 | randomparticle | i can see there's one in my sdl .11 src tree though |
| 23:38.53 | Tupone | and in 1.12? |
| 23:38.58 | randomparticle | i've trashed it |
| 23:39.20 | randomparticle | can d/l again if you wish |
| 23:40.01 | Tupone | mine is not even a suggestion. I don't have a mac. |
| 23:40.32 | Tupone | Just explaining what JeffM said. SDLmain.m has changed, and it is probably part of the build |
| 23:46.37 | Constitution | brlcad: fyi, http://fairserve.net/const/pastebin_issue.png |
| 23:51.17 | randomparticle | ok. i have it again, have compiled it etc |
| 23:51.38 | JeffM | the version number in your sdlmain matches that of SDL? |
| 23:51.47 | JeffM | that was the suspected issue |
| 23:53.09 | randomparticle | how can i tell? i can't see a version number in SLDmain.m or its header |
| 23:53.36 | JeffM | dunno |
| 23:53.54 | JeffM | perhaps check the history of it in the version controll see when it changed |
| 23:54.11 | randomparticle | is there an svn version query for specific files? |
| 23:54.42 | JeffM | I always just view the log |
| 23:54.45 | randomparticle | one sec |
| 23:55.30 | Constitution | http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/SDLMain.m?view=log |
| 23:58.11 | randomparticle | it's in the bzflag source too? |
