| 00:00.00 | Winny | actually, right now, it's mine ;P |
| 00:00.14 | a_meteorite | Winny: woot! you're gonna be sued! |
| 00:00.17 | Winny | yay! |
| 00:00.18 | a_meteorite | ;) |
| 00:00.20 | JeffM2501 | then it's winny that stores the data, and a_meteorite has nthing to do with it |
| 00:00.23 | Winny | "next week on judge judy..." |
| 00:00.34 | whodaman- | heh |
| 00:00.39 | a_meteorite | at least I'll have a pretty decent phrase once that server finally comes in, they're sure taking a long time.. |
| 00:00.54 | a_meteorite | JeffM2501: wordy I know, but it's pretty good butt covering |
| 00:00.59 | Winny | a_meteorite: if they take this long, the support can't be to speedy either :/ |
| 00:01.55 | a_meteorite | Winny: well, we haven't sent the money yet.. they haven't responded with instructions.. if I get anymore bad vibes they won't even get to the server setup part because of no money :) |
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| 00:02.10 | Winny | hehe |
| 00:06.17 | JeffM2501 | a_meteorite, yeah that hoster looked HOKEY |
| 00:06.36 | Winny | ...do the hokey pokey? |
| 00:06.39 | JeffM2501 | they didn't even seem to list the bandwith limits |
| 00:06.49 | a_meteorite | it's 10mbit unmetered, best effort |
| 00:07.14 | a_meteorite | I read reviews on them on WebHostingTalk. The only complaint is when their parent datacenter went down and when someone's server got disconnected cause they didn't pay |
| 00:07.34 | JeffM2501 | how long have they been in biz? |
| 00:08.00 | a_meteorite | 3 years, iirc |
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| 00:08.32 | JeffM2501 | I'm stuck beween xlhost and sagonet |
| 00:08.44 | JeffM2501 | each has a 70$ package that is nice |
| 00:08.47 | Winny | sagonet is good for cheap |
| 00:08.53 | Winny | xlhost has nicer machines, though. |
| 00:09.02 | a_meteorite | yeah. I think I'd take the xlhost cause upgrades a bit cheaper (and better default machines) |
| 00:09.23 | a_meteorite | and xlhost has been used for mofo and blast007... the network is definitely on par |
| 00:09.30 | Winny | so is sagonet :p |
| 00:09.41 | a_meteorite | sagonet is used for the list server? |
| 00:09.50 | Winny | yeah |
| 00:09.55 | Winny | they're both 66.111.x.x |
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| 00:18.08 | JeffM2501 | Winny, not so sure |
| 00:18.39 | JeffM2501 | for the same price I can go 2.5 gig celly or 2 gig P4 |
| 00:18.58 | Winny | same price being 50? |
| 00:19.00 | Winny | or 70 |
| 00:19.12 | JeffM2501 | 70 |
| 00:19.14 | Winny | ah |
| 00:19.53 | Winny | what are you using it for? |
| 00:20.04 | JeffM2501 | porn |
| 00:20.09 | Winny | cool :P |
| 00:20.42 | a_meteorite | heh.. |
| 00:20.42 | JeffM2501 | web, bzfs, etc.. |
| 00:20.48 | JeffM2501 | but nothing serious |
| 00:20.59 | JeffM2501 | the p4 is techicnaly slower, but that system has a 320 gig drive |
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| 00:37.34 | JeffM2501 | Winny, what does sagonet charge if you go over? |
| 00:37.59 | Winny | no idea... I want to say something like 0.10$/gb |
| 00:38.30 | L4m3r | so don't host videos and get digg-raped? heh |
| 00:38.36 | Winny | hehe |
| 00:38.48 | L4m3r | tho hardly anyone hosts their own videos anymore... |
| 00:38.51 | Winny | you do get 1000gb... seems like plently |
| 00:38.54 | L4m3r | thanks, Youtube! :P |
| 00:39.07 | Winny | running bloodbath and missile war I pull about 500-600gb a month |
| 00:39.18 | Winny | probably closer to the 500 end |
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| 00:44.54 | JeffM2501 | Winny, it's 0.50$ a gig |
| 00:45.16 | JeffM2501 | xlhost is 75$ for another terabyte |
| 00:46.53 | JeffM2501 | hmm tho no IRC servers on xlHost |
| 00:48.18 | JeffM2501 | xl has a couple bargan bins that look nice |
| 00:48.53 | JeffM2501 | basicly I'm between an 80 gig 2.66 gig P4 and a 320 gig 2.0 gig P4 |
| 00:48.56 | JeffM2501 | for the same price |
| 00:51.26 | MattJ | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/funny-pictures-1-cat-2-dogs.jpg heh |
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| 01:07.39 | whodaman- | ~pastebin |
| 01:07.39 | ibot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
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| 01:10.23 | Winny | JeffM2501: since you changed the default image hosting location to images.bzflag.org for 3.0... doesn't that mean all the images will now need to be either Creative commons or GPL (or something comprable)? |
| 01:11.44 | L4m3r | wasn't it that way before? :P |
| 01:12.02 | Winny | L4m3r: not if you put in on a *.bzflag.org domain... |
| 01:12.44 | KTL | http://images.bzflag.org/purplepanzer/leaves.png <- this is not an animated gif |
| 01:13.05 | KTL | *i hope* |
| 01:13.06 | AAA_Awright | It doesn't look like one |
| 01:13.21 | L4m3r | looks like a png to me XD |
| 01:15.17 | KTL | my psychology roommate is triing to find an explenation for the pic :) |
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| 01:17.02 | L4m3r | anyway, I doubt the original intent was to allow people to host "pirated" images on bzflag.org subdomains |
| 01:23.55 | JeffM2501 | Winny, yes |
| 01:24.37 | JeffM2501 | but we have some time to let people swap over |
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| 01:35.10 | Winny | JeffM2501: why do our images have to be GPL? |
| 01:35.14 | Winny | our maps don't have to me. |
| 01:35.18 | Winny | s/GPL/other |
| 01:35.21 | JeffM2501 | your images don't |
| 01:35.33 | JeffM2501 | you can still host your images however you want |
| 01:35.39 | JeffM2501 | they just won't be authed by default |
| 01:35.53 | Winny | May I suggest something? |
| 01:36.04 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to also get a way to say "trust stuff from this server" |
| 01:36.07 | JeffM2501 | in the game |
| 01:36.13 | JeffM2501 | to make it easier |
| 01:36.19 | JeffM2501 | whatchagot? |
| 01:36.32 | Winny | someone (such as me, or anyone else who currently has a *.bzflag.org subdomain) could host images that are _not_ gpl, but are still monitored. |
| 01:36.48 | JeffM2501 | perhaps |
| 01:36.48 | a_meteorite | who said your subdomain is monitored? |
| 01:36.56 | Winny | a_meteorite: noone did... |
| 01:37.01 | a_meteorite | cause, you're the one who hosts on there, not them |
| 01:37.03 | JeffM2501 | for that we coudl give out something.images.bzflag.org |
| 01:37.10 | JeffM2501 | hence why it's *.images.bzflag.org |
| 01:37.22 | JeffM2501 | the problem is now anyone with a bzflag.org domain can host any image |
| 01:37.33 | Winny | but anyways, if you do choose to do soemthing like that, I;d be willing to pitch in hosting |
| 01:37.41 | JeffM2501 | hosting tain't the issue |
| 01:37.43 | Winny | I know quite a few people don't want just anyone using their images |
| 01:37.54 | JeffM2501 | and again, the images for us to host don't have to be GPL |
| 01:38.04 | JeffM2501 | they just have to have unlimited distrobution |
| 01:38.17 | JeffM2501 | CC no mod is perfectly fine |
| 01:38.23 | JeffM2501 | custom "use but don't mod" is fine |
| 01:38.34 | JeffM2501 | copyright all rights reserverd is NEVER good |
| 01:39.20 | JeffM2501 | those should not be tied to a bzflag.org domain at all, for legal reasons |
| 01:39.56 | JeffM2501 | what are the images you currently host licensed as? |
| 01:40.23 | Winny | right now I only host images on images.bzflag.org, but I was planning to release a map soon, and I really don't want people using my textures |
| 01:40.43 | Winny | not that it's a 2.0 problem |
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| 01:40.55 | JeffM2501 | then your SOL |
| 01:41.05 | JeffM2501 | share and share alike |
| 01:41.28 | Winny | hmm.. ok |
| 01:41.46 | JeffM2501 | basicly we only want to allow our support for things that are open |
| 01:42.21 | JeffM2501 | the best solution for your use would be a good interface in game that people can quicly add your server to the allow list |
| 01:42.52 | JeffM2501 | like when you join we have a message that says "this map uses images that are not part of your allowed images list, do you want to allow them?" |
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| 01:43.02 | Winny | ahh |
| 01:43.08 | JeffM2501 | and a way to lock that out for the kids |
| 01:43.15 | JeffM2501 | perhaps check the perms on the file |
| 01:43.24 | JeffM2501 | if it's locked then just disallow them |
| 01:43.33 | JeffM2501 | that would be best of all worlds I think |
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| 01:52.50 | TD-Linux | then we need dialogs |
| 01:52.57 | TD-Linux | do we have those yet? |
| 01:53.00 | JeffM2501 | ish |
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| 03:06.03 | JeffM2501 | pacman87, if you get the current 2.0.x code it should not have that text message problem you had |
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| 03:08.35 | pacman87 | i already fixed my code to work around the problem, and i dont really feel like getting things setup to compile bzflag right now |
| 03:08.42 | pacman87 | but thanks for letting me know |
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| 03:20.24 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16291 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsMessages.cxx: since we have dnyamic message buffers now, no need to break up the flag update message ( TCP will do that for us ), so use the new message class to back that sucker up. |
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| 03:46.50 | JeffM | now if I wanted to be stupid I could say "yai! i has internetz!" |
| 03:47.50 | scott | are you trying to convince us otherwise? |
| 03:47.59 | JeffM | nope |
| 03:48.43 | scott | :) |
| 03:49.11 | a_meteorite | I has interwebz. Itz betters |
| 03:50.15 | a_meteorite | Speaking for poor English... http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=118832#118832 |
| 03:50.19 | a_meteorite | *of |
| 03:52.51 | JeffM | that thread is stupid |
| 03:54.39 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 04:06.12 | Macrosoft | a_meteorite: lame thread is lame |
| 04:09.13 | Macrosoft | gah! zombie process refuses to die! |
| 04:10.53 | scott | kill -9! |
| 04:11.10 | Macrosoft | scott: tried it, didnt work |
| 04:11.38 | scott | wow |
| 04:11.54 | scott | thats a stubborn one |
| 04:12.00 | Macrosoft | scott: i was able to stop it from making my cpu load go to 100%, though |
| 04:12.17 | scott | reboot? |
| 04:12.44 | Macrosoft | scott: its not a problem as long as it cant eat resources |
| 04:13.00 | tannerld | "no more cpu time..." |
| 04:13.05 | scott | nod |
| 04:13.48 | JeffM | anyone know anything about "the lone tanker"? |
| 04:14.15 | Macrosoft | JeffM: hes the little brother of another player |
| 04:14.28 | Macrosoft | JeffM: tomer, i think |
| 04:14.40 | JeffM | any problems with him lately? |
| 04:15.15 | Macrosoft | JeffM: not that ive noticed, i dont read the entire forum anymore |
| 04:15.25 | JeffM | I mean in playing |
| 04:15.27 | JeffM | not the fourms |
| 04:15.30 | JeffM | he can't post |
| 04:16.01 | Macrosoft | JeffM: havent seen him on missile war, mofo, or badgerkings |
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| 05:36.26 | JeffM | huh, we only use UDP for 8 messages, I thought it was more... |
| 05:42.07 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16293 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsMessages.cxx: update SendMessageAllow to use BufferedNetworkMessages |
| 05:42.34 | JeffM | gotta love how CIA misses more then 2/3ds of the commits :( |
| 05:47.21 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16294 10/trunk/bzflag/ (include/Team.h src/bzfs/bzfsMessages.cxx src/common/Team.cxx): update team update message to use BufferedNetworkMessage |
| 05:53.07 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16295 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsMessages.cxx: update team info messages to use BufferedNetworkMessage |
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| 05:54.53 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16296 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsMessages.cxx: update player reject message to use BufferedNetworkMessage |
| 05:57.10 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16297 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsMessages.cxx: Update player accept message to use BufferedNetworkMessage |
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| 06:10.21 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16298 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsMessages.cxx: update handycap broadcast message to use buffered network messages |
| 06:13.05 | blast007 | JeffM: remind me tomorrow night about the "don't show observers on the current players list" for the stats site |
| 06:13.15 | JeffM | k |
| 06:13.30 | blast007 | JeffM: and did you have some Nokia tablet thingy? |
| 06:13.47 | JeffM | N770 |
| 06:14.49 | blast007 | I was playing around with the N800 at CompUSA earlier |
| 06:15.14 | blast007 | apparently has VoIP support |
| 06:16.03 | blast007 | and has a little pop out camera |
| 06:16.36 | JeffM | yeah they are suposed to be cool |
| 06:22.36 | Macrosoft | thread necromancy: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=10657 |
| 06:24.11 | Macrosoft | here's another one, same person doing this http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=118837#118837 |
| 06:25.27 | Macrosoft | hmm... looks like ever thread he posted to is old |
| 06:25.30 | Macrosoft | *every |
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| 10:23.10 | strayer | blast007 or brlcad > one of you not sleeping now? :) |
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| 13:20.48 | rtfm | strayer: I'm here for a bit (this is blast007) |
| 13:23.31 | strayer | hi rtfm / blast007 |
| 13:24.21 | strayer | Jeff wanted to have the current players site (m.b.o) modified...I did it and wanted to ask if you are able to upload this test file to see if it works in the way Jeff wants to |
| 13:29.58 | rtfm | ah |
| 13:29.59 | rtfm | ok |
| 13:30.12 | rtfm | and yeah, I could upload it |
| 13:30.21 | strayer | how can I send the file to you? |
| 13:30.24 | rtfm | do you have a diff of that change? |
| 13:30.48 | strayer | uh..erm..no..only the file itself |
| 13:30.52 | rtfm | ok |
| 13:30.55 | rtfm | that's fine too |
| 13:31.00 | rtfm | I pm'ed you my email |
| 13:34.15 | strayer | email is sent... |
| 13:35.01 | strayer | uh...you know what I mean ;) |
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| 14:29.07 | Winny | oh.. come ON. nn can't even comply to a simple CC liscense. |
| 14:30.20 | Winny | is it really so much to ask? |
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| 14:43.07 | hwilde | you guys have to roll out v3 asap i need the fps fixed |
| 14:43.15 | hwilde | they say i am using a cheat client and it is the default client |
| 14:43.22 | Winny | uh |
| 14:43.30 | Winny | what version are you using? |
| 14:43.30 | hwilde | it's not my fault that the client calculates shot position not the server |
| 14:43.47 | hwilde | i am using the latest version straight from bzflag.org |
| 14:43.51 | Winny | that would mean you need to fix your lag. |
| 14:44.00 | hwilde | I do not have lag whatsoever |
| 14:44.03 | hwilde | it is fps issue |
| 14:44.07 | hwilde | the client renders the shot position |
| 14:44.10 | hwilde | the server should control this |
| 14:44.27 | hwilde | if you buy a better video card they think you are cheating |
| 14:44.43 | Winny | heh |
| 14:44.44 | hwilde | it's already fixed in the new version so just roll it out already :) |
| 14:45.03 | Winny | just not just put the FPS limit on? |
| 14:45.19 | Winny | go into display settings, and turn on "energy saver" |
| 14:45.30 | hwilde | yes I did this |
| 14:45.32 | Winny | and then do a /localset fpsLimit <something reasonable> |
| 14:45.36 | hwilde | they say my gms turn too fast whatever this means |
| 14:45.40 | hwilde | even with fpsLimit 60 |
| 14:45.55 | Winny | have you tried more then one server? |
| 14:46.10 | hwilde | i don't know how you quantify gms turning too fast, I think whammo is just a sore loser bc I can kill him like a little bug scurrying around BOOM gm in the face |
| 14:46.18 | Suspect | Heh |
| 14:47.17 | Winny | and bzflag 3.0 is NOT Ready. |
| 14:47.25 | hwilde | fine 2.98 |
| 14:47.29 | hwilde | hehe |
| 14:47.37 | Winny | that's the development version |
| 14:48.09 | hwilde | it is not right that ppl are accused of using a cheat client due to a server-client world representation issue |
| 14:48.31 | TheRedBaron | hwilde: I know the pain :) |
| 14:48.35 | hwilde | isn't there a way to do checksums from the server to prove it is not modified client |
| 14:48.41 | Winny | TheRedBaron: hehe |
| 14:49.33 | TheRedBaron | hwilde: Not to rain on your parade, but I'm going to make an educated guess, that the ideas you're about to list, have all been suggested before, and shot down as inefficent |
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| 14:49.48 | hwilde | I don't mean do it all the time in the background, but on demand |
| 14:49.53 | TheRedBaron | hwilde: I'm not trying to be mean, but thats how it is |
| 14:50.04 | hwilde | like when whammo says I ahve a cheat client they could run some test and say nope that is legit unmodified |
| 14:50.19 | TheRedBaron | hwilde: the key point is, bzflag is open source, a cheater can easily spoof that checksum |
| 14:51.05 | hwilde | well on compile you could take all the characters and whitespace from each file and generate a 'fingerprint' which would show any modifications from the src |
| 14:51.31 | hwilde | yeah it would take awhile for the server to verify but I submit to the test it is NOT a cheat client |
| 14:51.38 | Winny | hwilde: the whole game is opensource.. a checksym could easily be faked if the server just asks for it |
| 14:51.55 | hwilde | ah cmon you are smarter than those stupid hackers |
| 14:51.56 | Chestal | hwilde: it is not possible. Even if it wouldn't be open source, it would not be possible |
| 14:51.58 | hwilde | you give them too much credit |
| 14:52.10 | hwilde | don't label the function 'serverCheatChecksum' just hide it in the binary |
| 14:52.22 | TheRedBaron | hwilde: nah we don't give them too much credit, we just made it too easy for them to cheat |
| 14:52.42 | hwilde | lol |
| 14:52.56 | TheRedBaron | its the truth |
| 14:53.17 | TheRedBaron | and now we are attempting to rectify it, but its slow, and the limbo can be painful |
| 14:53.21 | Winny | hwilde: before you come in here and start yelling at us "WHY DON'T YOU DO THIS?!!?", perhaps you should try to dig a bit more, and see what actually has been shot down, or is going to be implemented. |
| 14:53.36 | Chestal | hwilde: also, I don't quite understand your GM issue. The course of the GM is only partly controlled by the shooter (pos+vel update when changing the target) |
| 14:53.58 | hwilde | Winny, in 3.0 the server will regulate the world representation so faster client != faster shots |
| 14:54.18 | hwilde | Chestal, I don't understand either how to quantify gm turns too fast. they say bc the client renders the position of the shot? |
| 14:54.21 | TheRedBaron | hwilde: chestal is right, we can't fix the rampant cheater problem, but if you give us a little more detail as to what you are being accused of, perhaps we can help. |
| 14:54.38 | hwilde | badgerking and whammo say that my gms turn too fast |
| 14:54.47 | hwilde | and when I grab a burrow flag it takes 15s to burrow |
| 14:54.48 | Winny | "world repersentation"? |
| 14:55.01 | Winny | perhaps you mean... server side shot calculation..? |
| 14:55.02 | hwilde | with energy saver and fpsLimit, it gets the burrow down to 6s, but they still complain about gms |
| 14:55.38 | hwilde | Winny, I dunno, that is what met said. I said the server should maintain the shot position but he said it is in the client. faster hardware = faster client = faster shots = unfair advantage |
| 14:56.04 | hwilde | a_meteorite, are u lurking in the shadows |
| 14:57.07 | Chestal | hwilde: this is so inaccurate that it is simply wrong. Shot speed is a constant and shot path is calculated by each client, not by the shooter. Only that for GMs updates are sent when the course changes (target change) |
| 14:57.16 | hwilde | thank you this is what I said! |
| 14:57.38 | hwilde | once you shoot it takes client initial position and velocity, then the server maintains the world represnetation (the gm flying through the world) |
| 14:58.21 | Winny | no, the shot speed of the GM is still calc'ed by the other client. |
| 14:58.52 | hwilde | how could all of the client individually calculate gm position that is not even feasible |
| 14:58.56 | hwilde | there would be massive frame problems |
| 14:59.01 | hwilde | and lag |
| 14:59.24 | Chestal | the clients _must_ calculate shot positons in all scenarios anyway (except you do the _rendering_ in the server) |
| 14:59.24 | hwilde | hmmm... |
| 15:00.03 | hwilde | come to badgerking you can observe I will show you and you can hear whammo's beef with my 'cheat client' |
| 15:00.18 | hwilde | i think it's actually faster now that i got the latest version from src lol |
| 15:00.35 | Chestal | which version have you been using? 2.0.10? |
| 15:00.36 | TheRedBaron | hwilde: what are you computer specs? |
| 15:00.48 | Winny | Im there. |
| 15:00.53 | hwilde | i think it is the video card |
| 15:00.57 | hwilde | it shows over 700fps |
| 15:01.09 | TheRedBaron | it might be |
| 15:01.20 | Chestal | there might be issues with extremely high fps,although most of the symptoms should be fine with 2.0.10. Still, it is better to use limit your framerate (vsync is best IMHO) |
| 15:01.21 | hwilde | 512mb nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GTS |
| 15:01.23 | Winny | .. turn on energy saver then, and set an fpsLimit |
| 15:01.27 | Chestal | there might also be problems with your clock |
| 15:01.37 | TheRedBaron | Chestal: dual core processor? |
| 15:01.54 | Winny | IIRC they fixed most dualcore bugs |
| 15:02.04 | TheRedBaron | but i thought those problems where only present in windows, and seeing as he said he got the latest version from src, i dont' think he's running windows |
| 15:02.10 | hwilde | yes dual core Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHz |
| 15:02.26 | hwilde | ubuntu 2.6.22-14-generic |
| 15:02.45 | TheRedBaron | Winny: if you dont' have the proper drivers for your dual core processor, you can experience clock skew which messes bz up. |
| 15:02.45 | hwilde | they told me get the latest version from bzflag.org so I got the src and compiled it and now I think it is even faster lol :) |
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| 15:03.38 | hwilde | ok I will show u in bk |
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| 15:27.46 | hwilde | whammo just wont drop it |
| 15:27.56 | hwilde | he tells me use a different computer or different os or he is going to ban me |
| 15:29.22 | hwilde | the fpsLimit definitely solved the burrow issue |
| 15:29.22 | Winny | he sucks |
| 15:29.41 | hwilde | I dont understand how gms could turn faster or slower |
| 15:30.25 | hwilde | I am just that good |
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| 15:30.30 | hwilde | u cant dodge my gms |
| 15:30.34 | whodaman- | lol |
| 15:30.34 | hwilde | u die |
| 15:31.15 | hwilde | yeah u know |
| 15:31.20 | hwilde | i'll kill all of you :) |
| 15:31.31 | hwilde | nice |
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| 15:43.06 | blast007 | hwilde: when I get home I'll do some testing of high FPS with GM |
| 15:43.15 | blast007 | I can get even higher frame rates than you can ;) |
| 15:44.00 | Winny | hehe |
| 15:44.11 | hwilde | but u need a sore loser to complain about it too :) |
| 15:44.35 | hwilde | I also turned off all the fancy effects to make it faster |
| 15:44.38 | hwilde | but isn't that the point |
| 15:44.43 | hwilde | speed kills |
| 15:45.14 | blast007 | I'll run two clients |
| 15:45.25 | blast007 | I have like 4 systems in my room, so I'll manage ;) |
| 15:45.48 | Winny | as far as Im concerned, WHAMO!! whouldn't be an admin. He wanted to ban someone once for having 2.0.9 windows build. |
| 15:46.04 | blast007 | heh.. |
| 15:46.14 | blast007 | I should go play with a 2.0.9 client then |
| 15:46.19 | hwilde | no credit for years of training with gm... maybe I am just a gm killa extraordinaire |
| 15:46.25 | Winny | he was like "window's users can't compile, therefore it is a linux client in disquise!" or something |
| 15:46.31 | blast007 | or maybe with 2.0.11, just to throw him off |
| 15:46.37 | hwilde | u can fake the version string say whatever you want |
| 15:46.43 | Winny | indeed |
| 15:46.44 | blast007 | yeah |
| 15:46.44 | hwilde | i'll make mine say screwuwhammo |
| 15:46.56 | blast007 | that probably wouldn't help your case |
| 15:46.59 | blast007 | :) |
| 15:47.03 | hwilde | he would not even come here to explain what he is observing |
| 15:47.14 | hwilde | so he doesn't want to help he is just somewhere between sore loser, mean, and power tripping |
| 15:47.33 | spldart | I wanna change my version string :~) |
| 15:47.50 | hwilde | ima change mine to 'not-a-cheat-client-2.0.10' |
| 15:48.08 | whodaman- | have fun |
| 15:49.23 | hwilde | so how is that patch coming for full screen radar on second monitor ? |
| 15:49.37 | F687s | don't you have to hack the source to get a custom version string? |
| 15:50.16 | hwilde | with a machete |
| 15:53.22 | spldart | missilewar 2.3 jumppads are way stickier and easy to get completely locked up on |
| 15:54.00 | Winny | contact DW |
| 15:54.02 | hwilde | whats a jumppad |
| 15:54.24 | Winny | exactly what it sounds like |
| 15:54.27 | spldart | boing |
| 15:54.32 | Winny | a pad that makes you jump |
| 15:54.35 | blast007 | physics driver that bounces you up |
| 15:55.39 | hwilde | where are they on the map |
| 15:56.08 | Winny | the corners |
| 15:57.32 | hwilde | i am sitting in the corner... |
| 15:57.40 | hwilde | aren't they the black and gold striped things |
| 15:58.00 | Winny | no |
| 15:58.05 | Winny | those are teleporters. |
| 15:58.51 | whodaman- | hwilde, there red and green pads |
| 15:59.00 | hwilde | hmm |
| 16:00.21 | hwilde | i cant get on it and if u jump u go through the roof |
| 16:00.29 | Winny | drive on |
| 16:00.31 | Winny | straight |
| 16:00.31 | whodaman- | drive carefully |
| 16:00.34 | Winny | and then back up |
| 16:00.35 | whodaman- | along the corners |
| 16:00.36 | hwilde | woahhh |
| 16:00.39 | whodaman- | there we go |
| 16:00.42 | hwilde | launch |
| 16:00.45 | Winny | hehe |
| 16:00.47 | whodaman- | should bounce you to 300+feet |
| 16:01.07 | hwilde | dang it autokicked me player location was outside playing areas |
| 16:01.27 | whodaman- | what the |
| 16:01.44 | whodaman- | how high were you? |
| 16:02.51 | hwilde | excessively |
| 16:02.59 | hwilde | this time i got stuck then it just put me on the roof |
| 16:03.41 | Winny | don't hit jump when you get on the pad |
| 16:03.44 | Winny | just back up |
| 16:03.47 | Winny | after you drive on |
| 16:04.42 | hwilde | lame |
| 16:04.50 | hwilde | it just throws u into the pyramid |
| 16:06.34 | spldart | Mega maya maya lame |
| 16:07.36 | Winny | you're doing it wrong then, heh\ |
| 16:07.59 | Winny | 100's of people per day can do it right, surely you can too. |
| 16:08.02 | hwilde | maybe but it is too hard to be interesting to do it right |
| 16:08.49 | Winny | Or perhaps you should figure out how to do it properly. |
| 16:09.14 | whodaman- | hr |
| 16:09.20 | whodaman- | err heh |
| 16:11.09 | hwilde | my tank is retarded it cant make it over the edge |
| 16:11.17 | whodaman- | yes, yes you can |
| 16:11.31 | spldart | Your tank is retarded?!?!?! |
| 16:11.49 | spldart | Your Tank?!? |
| 16:12.35 | hwilde | the treads are not big enough lol |
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| 16:12.57 | hwilde | ok you do it right then i want to see this magic |
| 16:14.04 | hwilde | lil early for atomic dont u think |
| 16:15.17 | Winny | hwilde: come to missile waer |
| 16:15.20 | Winny | follow me |
| 16:15.24 | hwilde | I been there |
| 16:15.42 | spldart | Nope.. I think it's a great time for flam... I mean atonic |
| 16:18.38 | hwilde | ok now u see my tank treads are not big enough to get on there |
| 16:18.52 | whodaman- | dude, they are |
| 16:19.12 | hwilde | Winny, A_Heart_Attack just saw |
| 16:19.38 | hwilde | my tank runs into the edge it doesnt go up on the launcher |
| 16:24.52 | Winny | you have one screwed up client |
| 16:25.11 | Winny | for fun, install 2.0.10 again |
| 16:25.13 | Winny | see if it works |
| 16:26.48 | spldart | prolly 2 early for malt liquor 2 :(... |
| 16:28.51 | spldart | I'm pretending I'm in moscow now... it's dinner time there :) |
| 16:29.05 | A_Heart_Attack | just think: it has to be 12:00 somewhere |
| 16:29.07 | hwilde | it's always happy hour somewher |
| 16:29.15 | A_Heart_Attack | lol |
| 16:29.46 | spldart | Can one really screw up their client in such a way as to cause treads to be miss sized |
| 16:29.53 | Winny | nope |
| 16:30.05 | spldart | That was my understanding |
| 16:30.14 | Winny | hwilde: have you been poking around in the source with non-cheat mods? |
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| 16:34.07 | hwilde | no it is default src |
| 16:34.19 | hwilde | like i would break my client and then waste all this time complaining about it |
| 16:34.31 | hwilde | it has got to be the graphics card |
| 16:34.44 | hwilde | or the dual core cpu clock |
| 16:35.01 | hwilde | my old tower and my laptop work normal |
| 16:35.10 | hwilde | i've only seen these strange things with this new comp |
| 16:35.14 | whodaman- | hmm |
| 16:35.56 | Winny | I have a core two duo... works fine |
| 16:36.02 | Winny | hwilde: got the newst video card drivers? |
| 16:36.07 | Winny | it's worth a shot |
| 16:36.11 | hwilde | i've got the latest nvidia yeah |
| 16:36.15 | Winny | hm |
| 16:36.16 | whodaman- | Winny, same here |
| 16:36.17 | hwilde | Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHz |
| 16:36.31 | hwilde | nvidia GeForce 8600 GTS |
| 16:37.53 | hwilde | ok atomic wing guy made me hungry so it is lunch time now |
| 16:38.03 | hwilde | peace out thanks for your help |
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| 16:38.12 | blast007 | cya |
| 16:42.14 | spldart | happy spicy eating |
| 16:43.01 | Winny | lol |
| 16:47.09 | Macrosoft | hwilde: im a little late, but you can use taskset to confine bzflag to just one of your cores |
| 16:47.48 | hwilde | see my cpu timing IS off! i left like 15 mins ago |
| 16:48.01 | Macrosoft | do 'taskset 02 bzflag' to start bzflag on the second core |
| 16:49.07 | Macrosoft | ...it fixes the multi-core wierdness with bz |
| 16:49.14 | hwilde | brilliant |
| 16:49.51 | hwilde | althought I can't imagine that explains the jumppad in missilewar lol |
| 16:50.18 | hwilde | my treads can't climb the 1 inch up to the pad |
| 16:55.23 | TheRedBaron | Macrosoft: unix doesn't start counting the processors @ 0 ? |
| 16:57.24 | Macrosoft | TheRedBaron: it does but the command uses a bitmask |
| 16:57.52 | Macrosoft | TheRedBaron: its in the man file |
| 16:58.36 | Macrosoft | hwilde: what do you have your cpu clocked to? |
| 16:59.31 | Winny | Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHz |
| 17:00.18 | Macrosoft | Winny: Intel Core 2 Duo 6750 2.66ghz, overclocked to 3.20ghz |
| 17:00.49 | Winny | good for you, but unfortunetly, we're talking about hwilde |
| 17:02.11 | Macrosoft | TheRedBaron: it uses a 32-bit bitmask, each bit represents a core, with the least significant bit being the first core |
| 17:05.52 | F687s | Quick question: how do you add somebody to a local group? Using /setgroup causes a "/setgroup command disabled" |
| 17:06.28 | Macrosoft | F687s: do you have groupfile defined? |
| 17:06.30 | Winny | local groups are horrible :p |
| 17:06.56 | F687s | I have groupdb (checks the wiki) |
| 17:07.48 | Macrosoft | F687s: and you set it when you started bzfs with -groupdb <pathToGroupFile> |
| 17:07.49 | Macrosoft | ? |
| 17:08.13 | F687s | yes, and when I go in the server lists the groups |
| 17:08.44 | Macrosoft | F687s: you also need to have '-userdb' set too, so it can store the users |
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| 17:12.04 | F687s | Cool, thanks |
| 17:13.47 | blast007 | just keep in mind that it's less secure than a global group, since it's tied to usernames, not BZID's (usernames can change) |
| 17:15.44 | JeffM | blast007: I'm suposed to remind you about the current players page :) |
| 17:15.51 | F687s | yes, I just need to think of a good top-level hierarchy, and get enough strength to ask for a TERRANET.MORON group. |
| 17:16.15 | JeffM | groups for "bad" people are stupid |
| 17:16.23 | JeffM | cus users can leave a group at any time |
| 17:16.34 | brlcad | hehe |
| 17:17.38 | whodaman- | lol |
| 17:19.24 | F687s | I thought of the group partly for embarrassment.... |
| 17:19.47 | JeffM | brlcad, so in your opinion, what one of thse 2 would you pick for a host ( assuming similar to .bz usage ): a) 2.6 gig P4 with 80 gigs of storage 1tb transfer (75$ each additiona TB over the first 1), or b) 2 gig P4 with 320 gigs of storage 1tb of transfer ( 0.50$ per GB after the first TB ) ? |
| 17:21.49 | brlcad | well, if usage is similar, the bandwidth is pretty moot so do you need more disk or more cpu? |
| 17:22.02 | JeffM | that's what I'm trying to decide |
| 17:22.18 | JeffM | I get the feeling that it'd be easier to eat the CPU |
| 17:24.27 | brlcad | probably, you can optimize for disk or cpu for either -- 80GB is a lot for most purposes |
| 17:25.29 | JeffM | blast007: do you run aragoon on your xlhost server? |
| 17:25.34 | brlcad | the cpu's aren't really that different, but the edge might get you something |
| 17:26.00 | brlcad | for bz, I'd go for the faster cpu simply because we are cpu limited |
| 17:26.31 | JeffM | I also kinda like the 75$ for a TB if you go over |
| 17:26.36 | brlcad | yeah, that .50 overage charge is a bit absurd |
| 17:26.49 | JeffM | brlcad: that's what your paying, 0.50 is sagonet ;) |
| 17:26.56 | brlcad | yeah |
| 17:27.14 | brlcad | which is why I was pretty adament about keeping my 1.25TB :) |
| 17:27.57 | brlcad | that's $125 worth at their rate |
| 17:28.20 | JeffM | yeah |
| 17:28.29 | brlcad | (regardless of never being anywhere close) |
| 17:28.31 | Winny | brlcad: how many servers do you have? :p |
| 17:28.42 | JeffM | the bulk rate is cheaper as soon as you go over by 150gig |
| 17:28.53 | brlcad | Winny: 3 atm |
| 17:29.00 | Winny | yikes |
| 17:29.18 | brlcad | is the memory the same for both? |
| 17:29.24 | JeffM | yeah a gig |
| 17:29.27 | brlcad | ah, not bad |
| 17:32.15 | JeffM | on XL host as well, if I wanted 2 tb of transfer it's only 50$ more a monthy if I upgrade |
| 17:33.03 | Winny | JeffM: 1and1 has 2tb for 99$ a month, but it is fedora (ick), and only 2.2ghz |
| 17:33.24 | JeffM | I should not NEED 2tb |
| 17:33.32 | Winny | :p |
| 17:33.37 | JeffM | I'm just saying that the cost on XL host is cheaper then sagonet |
| 17:34.14 | Winny | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8427&start=50 <-- someone bumped a 1.5 year old topic, might wanna remove it |
| 17:35.26 | Macrosoft | Winny: was it optimusprime again? |
| 17:35.31 | Winny | nope |
| 17:35.38 | Macrosoft | silver surfer? |
| 17:36.53 | brlcad | JeffM: the two other *major* deciding factors for me were reliability/support and their usage rules |
| 17:37.09 | JeffM | yeah, that's why I'm down to these 2 |
| 17:37.14 | brlcad | I contacted more than a dozen hosts that were cheaper only to find out they actually had rules I didn't like |
| 17:37.37 | JeffM | the only rule on XL host I find a little worrysome is it specificly says no IRC services |
| 17:37.40 | brlcad | one of my testing criteria was, for example, whether they would allow an irc server |
| 17:37.45 | brlcad | ahh |
| 17:37.46 | JeffM | yeah |
| 17:37.51 | brlcad | yeah, that would have been a non-starter for me |
| 17:37.53 | JeffM | not that I want to be an IRC host |
| 17:38.06 | JeffM | but I want to know if they are ok using IRC bots, etc.. |
| 17:38.19 | Winny | blast runs Argooon on xlhost (as well as his irssi) |
| 17:38.24 | brlcad | that means to me that they're either not set up for attacks and high usage patterns, or aren't willing to address abuse, etc |
| 17:38.44 | brlcad | sagonet allows *anything* and deal with it appropriately |
| 17:39.14 | JeffM | I"m guessing they didn't want to deal with the botnet/warez aspects of it |
| 17:39.28 | brlcad | i had lots of places that even said on their site that they allowed "everything", and when I called and asked about IRC a half dozen of them backpeddled.. "oh, everything except that" |
| 17:39.38 | Winny | hehe |
| 17:40.06 | brlcad | it was pretty funny actually, and gave me insight into their support |
| 17:40.40 | brlcad | should call them both up, see how easy it is to get a human on the line just to ask them some question, something not on their site |
| 17:41.12 | Winny | ~dns bzflagr.net |
| 17:41.30 | brlcad | sagonet's been an ideal host for years even through hardware failures |
| 17:41.41 | *** join/#bzflag Evelyk (n=kyleve@gateway/web/cgi-irc/bzflagr.net/x-8c2786c796474c12) |
| 17:42.42 | *** join/#bzflag Evelyk (n=kyleve@unaffiliated/winny) |
| 17:42.48 | Winny | there we go |
| 17:43.20 | brlcad | have contacted them via live chat, e-mail, and phone, always getting a consistent level of support (i.e. knowledgeable people, quick response/answers, polite staff) |
| 17:43.46 | brlcad | any idea how big xlhost is? |
| 17:44.24 | Winny | I know mofo hasn't has the best experience with them... bad power supplies, random shut downs, I think. |
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| 17:45.35 | brlcad | well having a hardware issue is a problem in itself -- but what was the result, how long did it take to determine it was bad and fix it? |
| 17:46.36 | Winny | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11696 had a bit more info about it |
| 17:47.20 | JeffM | hardware will fail |
| 17:47.35 | JeffM | and they offered to move you, so that's good |
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| 17:48.10 | brlcad | yeah, sounds like that was fairly reasonable support |
| 17:48.47 | brlcad | the "rack is having power management issues" sounds really fishy -- I'd be asking questions about that |
| 17:49.40 | brlcad | a rack is a rack, maybe they have per-rack UPS or maybe it was a blade server |
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| 17:51.22 | JeffM | XL host looks to have been around longer then sago |
| 17:52.01 | JeffM | ahh no same time, they just had a BBS company they sprang from before |
| 18:06.50 | Winny | man.. where is NN |
| 18:07.33 | hwilde | Macrosoft, Winny cpu is not overclocked it is @ 2.40GHz |
| 18:07.49 | whodaman- | Winny, ? |
| 18:07.53 | whodaman- | Isn't he observing? |
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| 18:12.31 | nn-main | here |
| 18:12.38 | Winny | k |
| 18:13.38 | whodaman- | NightMare on badgerking |
| 18:13.43 | whodaman- | Winny, come please? |
| 18:13.44 | Winny | k |
| 18:14.13 | whodaman- | thanks |
| 18:15.51 | Winny | hostban |
| 18:15.56 | whodaman- | heh |
| 18:16.01 | whodaman- | what cheat was that? |
| 18:16.06 | whodaman- | his score was going beserk |
| 18:16.13 | Winny | teleportation and constant SW |
| 18:19.43 | scott | yes, he is an idiot |
| 18:35.23 | whodaman- | Is there a way to search for a registered player on the forums? |
| 18:35.40 | whodaman- | Just type in the callsign to see their email or whatever |
| 18:36.43 | Winny | not that I know of |
| 18:36.44 | Winny | admins can |
| 18:36.46 | Winny | but we can't |
| 18:36.47 | Winny | :D |
| 18:36.59 | whodaman- | bleh |
| 18:37.12 | whodaman- | I can't go searching through 600 pages of members |
| 18:37.32 | Winny | :p |
| 18:38.09 | hwilde | just google it with domain:forums |
| 18:38.40 | whodaman- | well, there is only one way to solve this. |
| 18:38.47 | whodaman- | make everyone admin :P |
| 18:38.50 | Winny | heh |
| 18:38.57 | Winny | there's probably a mod to do it |
| 18:39.27 | whodaman- | There's nothing wrong with searching for another player |
| 18:41.04 | hwilde | it is easy to search |
| 18:41.46 | hwilde | google "whodaman site:bzflag.org" |
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| 19:18.36 | Winny | is it possible to lock the sun to a certain time of day in-game (server-wide)> |
| 19:18.38 | Winny | ?* |
| 19:19.03 | hwilde | I like it just before sunset when the sky turns dark red |
| 19:20.35 | Macrosoft | Winny: you might want to disable /poll set. some kid keeps trying to set _mirror red on missile war |
| 19:20.54 | F687s | sv5734? |
| 19:21.06 | F687s | ish? |
| 19:22.19 | TheRedBaron | whodaman-: do you have any groups? |
| 19:22.20 | Winny | Macrosoft: pollset gone. |
| 19:22.28 | F687s | who was it? |
| 19:22.35 | whodaman- | TheRedBaron, sure |
| 19:22.50 | TheRedBaron | then yes you can search bzbb for users |
| 19:23.20 | TheRedBaron | in the "add users to this group" portion |
| 19:23.56 | TheRedBaron | the button "Find a username" |
| 19:25.21 | whodaman- | Yeah, I guess |
| 19:26.54 | TheRedBaron | thats they only way i know how to search for a username |
| 19:27.21 | hwilde | google username site:bzbb.bzflag.org |
| 19:29.19 | blast007 | bzbb.bzflag.org is not the current URL for the forum (even though it still works) |
| 19:29.25 | blast007 | it's my.bzflag.org/bb/ |
| 19:30.08 | blast007 | you can also search for usernames in the page to send a private message |
| 19:30.21 | blast007 | in case you're not in any groups |
| 19:30.40 | blast007 | (or more accurately, are not a moderator of any groups) |
| 19:36.13 | whodaman- | aww |
| 19:43.25 | Winny | ~karma Winny |
| 19:43.25 | ibot | winny has karma of 23 |
| 19:43.37 | whodaman- | ~karma whodaman- |
| 19:43.37 | ibot | whodaman- has karma of 5 |
| 19:43.44 | Winny | ~whodaman-++ |
| 19:43.52 | whodaman- | ~Winny++ |
| 19:43.53 | whodaman- | :D |
| 19:43.56 | whodaman- | ~hug Winny |
| 19:43.56 | ibot | ACTION hugs Winny tightly until Winny turns slightly blue |
| 19:45.17 | Winny | anyone know where I can get this: http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=3248 ? |
| 19:49.46 | Macrosoft | Winny: look at the callsign of the person who took the screenie |
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| 19:51.11 | Macrosoft | Winny: how did he do lights on the "your ad here" screenie? |
| 19:52.10 | Winny | Macrosoft: textures |
| 19:52.46 | Macrosoft | Winny: :( too bad, i thought he had some way of adding lighting |
| 19:53.08 | Winny | heh |
| 19:53.14 | Macrosoft | that tree is huge |
| 19:53.32 | Macrosoft | i can barely see the world walls off in the distance |
| 19:54.30 | Winny | or perhaps it's just a big map? |
| 19:55.03 | Macrosoft | Winny: yeah, but the tree is still huge |
| 19:55.49 | Macrosoft | ...prolly has a lot of faces |
| 20:10.48 | spldart | that's a big demo file |
| 20:11.16 | Macrosoft | spldart: how bi is it after it decompresses? |
| 20:11.17 | TD-Linux | Macrosoft, it doesn't have to have a lot of faces to be big |
| 20:11.26 | TD-Linux | it looks like it's pretty low-poly, actually |
| 20:11.36 | Macrosoft | TD-Linux: but its smooth |
| 20:11.38 | spldart | dunno... was thinking of downloading tonight |
| 20:11.50 | whodaman- | spldart, dowloading what? |
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| 20:11.56 | TD-Linux | Macrosoft: no it isn't, look closer |
| 20:12.03 | Macrosoft | spldart: the compressed .exe is 1.8 gigs |
| 20:12.54 | TD-Linux | sounds like the demo is the entire game with a key turned |
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| 20:21.06 | JeffM | just go play Gary's mod |
| 20:21.29 | Macrosoft | JeffM: cant get hl2 to work with wine |
| 20:21.38 | JeffM | and you expect crysis to? ;) |
| 20:21.42 | blast007 | heh.. |
| 20:21.55 | blast007 | gaming system + linux = not a gaming system |
| 20:22.12 | JeffM | that's like saying "I can't drive this mustang GT, lets try a Fararii" |
| 20:22.35 | blast007 | Macrosoft: don't you have linux on there too? |
| 20:22.38 | blast007 | er |
| 20:22.40 | blast007 | windows* |
| 20:22.48 | Macrosoft | blast007: on my other system |
| 20:22.55 | JeffM | drives are cheap |
| 20:23.21 | blast007 | my 750GB was on sale for $200 :P |
| 20:23.24 | Macrosoft | blast007: wait, never mind, i had to use that drove for this system |
| 20:23.33 | Winny | JeffM: you know that palm tree on the sourceforge site (screenshot), do you still have that? |
| 20:23.35 | Macrosoft | *drive |
| 20:23.42 | JeffM | palm tree? |
| 20:23.52 | blast007 | it's not a palm tree |
| 20:23.59 | Macrosoft | Winny: he wasnt here when you linked to it |
| 20:24.02 | Winny | err, oeak tree |
| 20:24.03 | blast007 | JeffM: the imported tree model |
| 20:24.08 | JeffM | oh the quake one |
| 20:24.12 | JeffM | dunno |
| 20:24.19 | JeffM | yeah that's the bad one |
| 20:24.38 | JeffM | I'd have to look when I get home, but probalby |
| 20:24.44 | Winny | yay |
| 20:24.58 | JeffM | you'd want to run it thru modeltool again |
| 20:25.09 | JeffM | or just go find it on the internet |
| 20:25.15 | JeffM | it was from a quake 3 tree pack |
| 20:25.25 | JeffM | in MD3 format |
| 20:25.38 | JeffM | and I just converted it with milkshape |
| 20:29.23 | Winny | ok |
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| 20:36.44 | F687s | I made a couple patches to the currentplayers.php (http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d748fdf4a), if you care at all. |
| 20:41.35 | brlcad | can you provide it in patch format? |
| 20:42.02 | brlcad | diff -u old new |
| 20:42.09 | F687s | possibly, I'm not sure if it will even work |
| 20:42.19 | F687s | the system looks like it needs a lot of anal bootstrapping |
| 20:43.08 | brlcad | hmm? |
| 20:43.21 | brlcad | so patches that you've not tested or what are you referring to? |
| 20:43.54 | F687s | no, I have not tested them |
| 20:46.24 | F687s | it looks like, to test it, I would need to set up mysql tables, locate and implement whatever updates the database, etc... |
| 20:51.29 | blast007 | well, then a patch would be nice |
| 20:51.57 | blast007 | I assume you got the code from SVN? should be easy enough to do 'svn diff' and output that to a file |
| 20:52.33 | blast007 | on TortoiseSVN, there's probably even an option to create a patch |
| 20:54.40 | F687s | Well, I didn't know what anyone wanted. My version does not include persistence, for example. |
| 20:54.54 | F687s | What do I do with the patch? |
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| 20:55.16 | JeffM | and there we go, one purchased iPhone |
| 20:55.18 | JeffM | now for a tree |
| 20:55.33 | tannerld | JeffM: for who? |
| 20:55.47 | JeffM | DTRemenak's and my boss |
| 20:57.35 | JeffM | Winny: I think "oak2" is what you want |
| 20:57.39 | JeffM | let me upload it |
| 20:59.18 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/files/geometry/oak2.zip |
| 20:59.35 | JeffM | I'd recomend at the very least runing it thru model tool again |
| 20:59.43 | JeffM | I don't think the quads in the leaves came out right in that bzw |
| 20:59.50 | JeffM | but there is also the LWO there too |
| 21:03.20 | Winny | ok, thanks |
| 21:03.55 | spldart | 1150 out of 1813.9 :) |
| 21:04.24 | Macrosoft | 740.3 of 1813.9 |
| 21:04.32 | spldart | hehe |
| 21:05.09 | spldart | polking along at 350kbs + or - here |
| 21:05.40 | Macrosoft | mine is down to 216k/sec |
| 21:06.26 | Macrosoft | ive got other stuff moving over the network, copying my home folder from my old system to the new |
| 21:08.15 | JeffM | hmm the lwo file in there seems to be an atempt at a map |
| 21:08.55 | spldart | Reminds me.. need to boot server back up... heh |
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| 21:13.28 | brlcad | F687s: just pastebin the patch like you did for the file, or upload the patch as a file somewhere and provide the url, or upload it to the sf.net patches tracker for bzflag |
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| 21:17.25 | Winny | listserver down |
| 21:19.02 | JeffM | just slow |
| 21:20.08 | Winny | I havent been able to auth anywhere ;) |
| 21:20.30 | Thumper_ | Winny: website auth works...but it's slow |
| 21:22.31 | brlcad | slow, botnet |
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| 21:24.13 | F687s | Patch uploaded to sf.net . |
| 21:24.39 | Winny | brlcad: they really seem to love you :/ |
| 21:24.59 | Winny | any shady deals? ;) |
| 21:27.14 | brlcad | nah, just a popular server |
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| 21:28.01 | JeffM | back to the joys of message updates :/ |
| 21:28.36 | Winny | I really don't see what someone would gain from DDosing a BZFlag list server |
| 21:28.48 | brlcad | ah, google's crawling at the moment too |
| 21:28.57 | brlcad | it's not a DDoS |
| 21:29.11 | brlcad | botnets are different from ddos |
| 21:29.23 | Winny | but they achieve the same result |
| 21:29.54 | Macrosoft | yar! rogue processes off the starboard side! |
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| 21:42.26 | JeffM | ahh it's so good to be able to remove all the crap "(char*)buf-(char*)bufStart" code :) |
| 21:46.27 | JeffM | brlcad: any more word on CIA? |
| 21:46.32 | JeffM | or are we just left with the flake |
| 21:54.25 | brlcad | i got access to the server, been working my way through the code and services |
| 21:54.50 | JeffM | ahh well then, that would be word and progress, good job :) |
| 21:55.03 | brlcad | it's a bit of a beast, slow going |
| 21:55.16 | brlcad | but I have figured out how to at least restart the whole deal |
| 21:55.18 | JeffM | slow go > no go |
| 21:55.47 | brlcad | the bot_server is the main crux of the problems, that and the server is way overloaded |
| 21:56.12 | JeffM | can it be split up? |
| 21:56.27 | JeffM | and is it overloaded on bandwith or just CPU? or other stuff? |
| 21:56.55 | brlcad | it's not nearly that simple, but mostly cpu |
| 21:57.14 | JeffM | what is it running on now? |
| 21:57.50 | brlcad | there are like 20 independent services that intercommunicate in various ways, pretty straightforward but lots of places things can go wrong |
| 21:58.04 | JeffM | fun |
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| 22:03.40 | brlcad | so my take (so far) is that a combination of a really slow memory leak combined with massive popularity/use combined with inadequate hardware combined with inefficient services combined with fault-intolerant irc bots .. is the basic root of the problem |
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| 22:03.52 | Macrosoft | heh |
| 22:04.11 | brlcad | once the machine is overloaded from a moment of brief high-load, the bots begin failing and stay failed until they reset |
| 22:06.11 | JeffM | heh |
| 22:06.22 | JeffM | what kind of hardware is it running on? |
| 22:09.06 | brlcad | a 3GHz P4 |
| 22:09.14 | brlcad | with ... *drumroll* |
| 22:09.25 | brlcad | 384MB memory |
| 22:09.35 | JeffM | well there's your problem ;) |
| 22:09.51 | brlcad | that's it's biggest problem, ends up thrashing once it gets overloaded |
| 22:10.14 | JeffM | pondered moving it for them? ;) |
| 22:11.09 | JeffM | how much does it do in transfer a month? |
| 22:11.44 | brlcad | yeah, pondered it .. would be a pita with all the services to migrate, but possible |
| 22:12.32 | JeffM | if it does less then a terabyte, xl host ( not sure if they are the bestest company yet ) has a core2 with a gig of ram for 90$ a month |
| 22:13.47 | JeffM | or actualy your german ISP would probalby be best for it |
| 22:13.57 | JeffM | since it probalby dosn't matter where CIA is |
| 22:14.23 | brlcad | yeah, it'd be up to the task, but still have to figure out the bot problem -- pretty sure that's isolated |
| 22:14.43 | brlcad | been working with bearperson to try and pinpoint it, along with just trying to sort it all out |
| 22:14.47 | JeffM | write them in libirc :) |
| 22:15.18 | brlcad | heh, might come to that |
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| 22:18.06 | JeffM | it would not be that complex of a bot |
| 22:18.13 | JeffM | the big thign would be how it got it's backend data |
| 22:23.55 | brlcad | they are where they actually format the messages, per-channel specific messages based on the formatter |
| 22:25.27 | JeffM | but that code exists in python right? can't be too hard to convert to the C |
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| 22:28.02 | spldart | brb |
| 22:29.08 | JeffM | brlcad: can they at least upgrade the machine to have more rams? |
| 22:30.12 | brlcad | not likely |
| 22:30.24 | JeffM | it's on a VM right? |
| 22:30.51 | brlcad | there's not really much of a they either, it's micah and a handful of people he trusts that have access to the box |
| 22:31.24 | JeffM | yeah by they I meant his ISP |
| 22:31.57 | brlcad | i'm sure the isp could, but he's not likely to |
| 22:32.11 | brlcad | and it's still at the moment mainly a software problem |
| 22:32.11 | JeffM | ahh |
| 22:32.18 | JeffM | is he done with it? |
| 22:32.44 | brlcad | beats me |
| 22:33.06 | JeffM | don't see him talk about it much, so seems to me like he's moved on to other things |
| 22:34.24 | brlcad | yeah, he's clearly busy with other things at the moment at least |
| 22:35.25 | brlcad | nobody is really waiting for him, it's just two or three of us passively looking into the problems as they come up too trying to isolate |
| 22:36.10 | JeffM | I thought he did it on a VM, if so my first inclination would be to slap it over onto a real machine :) |
| 22:37.11 | JeffM | Winny: what happend do your normals? |
| 22:38.09 | Winny | JeffM: left 'em out for now |
| 22:41.05 | JeffM | hah |
| 22:41.05 | whodaman- | heh |
| 22:41.10 | whodaman- | No love today :P |
| 22:41.20 | Macrosoft | love is over |
| 22:41.21 | KTL | so cruel |
| 22:41.51 | brlcad | heh, just coincidental -- I'm restarting them |
| 22:42.50 | JeffM | how long does it usualy take to thrash them? |
| 22:43.06 | brlcad | thrash them? |
| 22:43.14 | JeffM | well for them to start locking up |
| 22:43.21 | brlcad | unknown |
| 22:43.26 | JeffM | and would converting a group of them to ciaMIA type responders help it out? |
| 22:43.37 | brlcad | the server just gets *really* busy at some point .. few minutes, few weeks |
| 22:46.08 | brlcad | and so they begin connecting .... |
| 22:46.19 | brlcad | takes about a half-hour to load all channels |
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| 22:49.38 | spldart | crysis = crash... I can only supposse it's these buggy nvidia drivers |
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| 23:17.13 | F687s | does anybody know of an available bzadmin bot, so I don't have to reinvent the wheel? |
| 23:18.47 | a_meteor | bzadmin bot? |
| 23:19.59 | F687s | yeah, like how people harness bzadmin to provide logging and other features. |
| 23:21.11 | a_meteor | there are none, afaik, if so, they're very limited, hard to program, and unreliable |
| 23:22.52 | F687s | I've heard of madmin, but the owner doesn't look like he's going to be releasing it anytime soon. |
| 23:23.06 | a_meteor | never heard of it, what server is that? |
| 23:23.19 | a_meteor | anyhow bzadmin is not the way to go |
| 23:23.27 | a_meteor | I'd be looking at plugin solutions |
| 23:25.30 | F687s | I saw madmin on icarusfallen |
| 23:27.10 | F687s | the way I see it, bzadmin and plugins do not have the same purposes |
| 23:28.14 | AAA_Awright | F687s: What are you looking to do? |
| 23:29.39 | AAA_Awright | I am the supreme commander of all client-side observer/logging bots |
| 23:29.44 | F687s | well, for right now, I'm scripting up a plugin-aware bzadmin bot, partly for fun, partly to do odd stuff |
| 23:30.09 | AAA_Awright | A plugin-aware bzadmin bot. Huh. |
| 23:30.22 | AAA_Awright | C++ then? |
| 23:30.26 | F687s | for example, I could write a plugin that tunnels #bzflag messages to me in-game |
| 23:30.46 | F687s | using Perl. |
| 23:30.49 | AAA_Awright | Yeah |
| 23:30.55 | AAA_Awright | Ooh |
| 23:31.16 | Winny | WOW notepad has slow find and replace |
| 23:32.11 | AAA_Awright | I have a PHP bot, it does cool stuff. |
| 23:32.34 | AAA_Awright | How do you write plugins for something like perl? Plugin only really makes sense with compiled languages |
| 23:32.45 | AAA_Awright | Well, I guess it doesn't have to |
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| 23:33.52 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v Tupone] by ChanServ |
| 23:34.26 | F687s | The perl bot merely wraps bzadmin, you then load handlers to do something with the I/O |
| 23:35.33 | AAA_Awright | I wrote a low-level socket interface, which works really well |
| 23:35.48 | F687s | I saw you were working on some sort of masterbot, which was fuzzily defined as a bzfs launching daemon / run-time bot |
| 23:36.05 | a_meteor | hey hey, we had the masterbot name way before you ever did :) |
| 23:36.26 | AAA_Awright | That *is* our masterbot, a_meteor |
| 23:36.36 | a_meteor | oh oops, misread that |
| 23:36.49 | F687s | what do you use the socket interface for, piping in and out of programs? |
| 23:37.10 | a_meteor | no, using bzflag's proto |
| 23:37.31 | a_meteor | piping in and out is unreliable and you're subject to other's changes. plus you can't get nearly as much data. |
| 23:38.02 | F687s | it all depends on what you're doing. |
| 23:38.19 | F687s | if you're manipulating the core of bzfs, plugins are the way to go. |
| 23:38.51 | a_meteor | not even that, you can get way more info in plugins |
| 23:38.55 | a_meteor | which we all use |
| 23:39.16 | *** join/#bzflag AAA_Awright_ (n=AAA_awri@wsip-68-14-251-102.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 23:39.38 | AAA_Awright_ | Messages, Joins/parts, spawns/deaths, score changes, flags, downloading the world, ect. |
| 23:39.57 | F687s | I see what you mean, like being able to manipulate player id's, and get actual game info. |
| 23:40.20 | AAA_Awright_ | Yes |
| 23:40.22 | AAA_Awright_ | Authentication, joining with a token. I can make it join as a tank and spawn, but not drive around yet |
| 23:40.52 | F687s | if I took the time to learn _good_ C++ and learn to write it second nature, I would probably use plugins too. |
| 23:41.02 | Macrosoft | AAA_Awright: what? |
| 23:41.24 | AAA_Awright | hm? I have a bzflag protocol class written in PHP. |
| 23:41.29 | AAA_Awright | ~AAA_awright |
| 23:41.29 | ibot | PHP Wizard |
| 23:42.10 | a_meteor | it works well too |
| 23:42.46 | *** join/#bzflag sigonasr2 (i=sigonasr@ip72-200-88-154.tc.ph.cox.net) |
| 23:42.58 | AAA_Awright | F687s: Masterbot has three parts, it has a daemon that manages the bzfs servers, a plugin or modified bzfs that collects data from the servers, and a client that you can use to control the daemon and start or stop servers |
| 23:43.21 | F687s | Managing memory scares me. Segfaults do too. |
| 23:43.36 | AAA_Awright | You would be interested in the plugin part, the plugin streams the data to the daemon, then the daemon calls the appropriate scripts and functions |
| 23:44.31 | AAA_Awright | The daemon is also setup to do the appropriate logging, ban list management, ect. |
| 23:44.47 | AAA_Awright | I need a linux box to start work on though |
| 23:45.37 | F687s | couldn't you partition? or is that out of the question? |
| 23:45.46 | AAA_Awright | partition? |
| 23:45.49 | AAA_Awright | Oh |
| 23:46.04 | AAA_Awright | I am working out of a virtual machine right now, I am seeing how that will go |
| 23:47.13 | F687s | I know some of the basics of C/C++, I just can't find a definite use for it. |
| 23:48.06 | F687s | sure, writing "hello, world" to the screen in an infinite loop, and making dog and cat objects, but... |
| 23:48.40 | AAA_Awright | It is suited for the BZFlag client, rendering 3d with OpenGL |
| 23:49.54 | AAA_Awright | chr(4) |
| 23:50.17 | Macrosoft | AAA_Awright: does that accept variables? |
| 23:50.26 | AAA_Awright | chr($any_int) |
| 23:50.46 | AAA_Awright | $any_int=4;echp chr($any_int); |
| 23:51.06 | F687s | echo is PHP |
| 23:51.11 | AAA_Awright | Yep |
| 23:51.27 | F687s | PHP is training wheels without the bike. |
| 23:51.35 | AAA_Awright | Hardly |
| 23:51.56 | Macrosoft | union gubGub { int apple = 0; char bigfoot = ""}; |
| 23:52.05 | Macrosoft | union eskimos; |
| 23:52.24 | Macrosoft | cin>>eskimos.apple; |
| 23:52.25 | AAA_Awright | :D |
| 23:52.35 | Macrosoft | cout<<eskimos.bigfoot; |
| 23:52.44 | Macrosoft | return 0; |
| 23:52.49 | Macrosoft | that would do it |
| 23:52.55 | F687s | oh, there's an actual USE for unions? |
| 23:53.06 | AAA_Awright | I have never needed them. |
| 23:53.14 | Macrosoft | F687s: yeah |
| 23:53.44 | Macrosoft | F687s: whenever you need severalobject to share the same memory |
| 23:53.54 | Macrosoft | you could also do: |
| 23:55.01 | Macrosoft | union gubGub { int[4] = 0, 0, 0, 0, 0; string= ""; }; |
| 23:55.24 | Macrosoft | gubGub eskimos; |
| 23:55.41 | Macrosoft | cin>>eskimos.string |
| 23:56.12 | AAA_Awright | Effectively the same thing as eskimos[4]; |
| 23:56.34 | Macrosoft | cout<<int[0]<<int[1]<<int[2]<<int[3]<<int[4]; |
| 23:57.01 | F687s | so, in about 6 months, when I am compelled to write C, I'll consider using unions, and then decide to pull out some class that does the job for me. ;-) |
| 23:57.03 | Macrosoft | AAA_Awright: you could use that union to manipulate strings and stuff |
| 23:59.25 | Macrosoft | if i want a certain character out of the string i use eskimos.int[2] or whatever number |
