| 00:12.25 | Macrosoft | F687s: procrastinators unite!...tomorrow |
| 00:12.42 | Macrosoft | ~spell tomorrow |
| 00:13.23 | Macrosoft | cant shake the feeling that it's spelled wrong |
| 00:37.39 | Winny | wow |
| 00:37.45 | Winny | nn is running 76 useless servers |
| 00:38.01 | Winny | why can't he do a rotation |
| 00:38.30 | sigonasr2 | holy moly |
| 00:39.01 | pacman87 | i was wondering why there were more servers than players in Constitution |
| 00:39.04 | pacman87 | 's link |
| 00:39.36 | Winny | most of them are "Map library >> <somemap>' too.. heh |
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| 00:48.31 | a_meteorite | Winny: :o |
| 00:54.40 | spldart | :o E+99 |
| 01:27.34 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, I wonder if you could get Gallery to do your map thingy |
| 01:27.41 | JeffM2501 | one album per map |
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| 01:46.25 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v blast007] by ChanServ |
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| 02:11.52 | F687s | is there a reason the General Discussion board manages to stay at a 666 topic count? |
| 02:11.59 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 02:12.02 | Winny | F687s: nope |
| 02:12.17 | Winny | just cause stupid post saying "OMG 666 TOPICS LOL" and it gets deleted |
| 02:12.45 | JeffM2501 | where does it even show a count? |
| 02:12.59 | Winny | front page |
| 02:13.01 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 02:13.02 | F687s | I know, somebody adds a topic, and it either gets deleted, or somebody bumps a previous post and that gets deleted. |
| 02:13.21 | Winny | It's obviously because blast007 is weird |
| 02:13.53 | JeffM2501 | there |
| 02:14.08 | Winny | lol |
| 02:14.23 | Winny | hey, I was looking there! I was readin' that! |
| 02:14.32 | JeffM2501 | really? |
| 02:14.36 | JeffM2501 | on the 27th page? |
| 02:14.38 | Winny | no ;) |
| 02:14.45 | F687s | well, I was. |
| 02:14.52 | blast007 | jk :P |
| 02:14.52 | JeffM2501 | sucks to be you |
| 02:15.05 | JeffM2501 | blast007, you'd have to make more then one ;) |
| 02:15.06 | Winny | how many pages are you deleting? |
| 02:15.13 | blast007 | heh |
| 02:15.27 | Winny | could make one to advertise every one of NN's servers |
| 02:15.34 | Winny | that should put us at about 800 |
| 02:18.30 | F687s | now we've averted fate...for a couple of months |
| 02:19.20 | F687s | (there's a lot of people back in the old days who had special ranks...) |
| 02:20.08 | JeffM2501 | yep |
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| 02:25.54 | Winny | wow, he hasn't gone to bed yet? it's like 3:30 am there... |
| 02:25.59 | Winny | err, ww. |
| 02:26.54 | AHA | heh |
| 02:30.36 | Winny | coogle is making the round |
| 02:30.43 | Winny | hostname "*.ca.comcast.net" |
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| 02:31.38 | pacman87 | i'm getting odd behavior using bz_killPlayer() in my plugin |
| 02:31.55 | pacman87 | the server thinks your dead, but the client's tank doesnt explode |
| 02:33.47 | JeffM2501 | are you doing anything inside a playerDie event? |
| 02:35.11 | pacman87 | no |
| 02:35.16 | JeffM2501 | and does your client not define ROBOT |
| 02:35.17 | JeffM2501 | ? |
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| 02:35.38 | pacman87 | i'm not sure what you mean |
| 02:35.51 | JeffM2501 | ROBOT is a #def |
| 02:35.54 | JeffM2501 | that should be defined |
| 02:36.07 | JeffM2501 | if it's not, then client will not blow itself up |
| 02:36.12 | JeffM2501 | bad old code |
| 02:36.14 | pacman87 | i'm using the standard 2.0.10 |
| 02:36.19 | pacman87 | is that old? |
| 02:36.26 | JeffM2501 | all 2.0.x's are old |
| 02:36.30 | pacman87 | ah |
| 02:36.33 | JeffM2501 | dev is on 2.99 |
| 02:36.44 | JeffM2501 | did you build it? |
| 02:36.48 | JeffM2501 | or was it a binary? |
| 02:36.54 | pacman87 | no, binary |
| 02:37.00 | pacman87 | standard windows install |
| 02:37.32 | JeffM2501 | does the API call return true or false? |
| 02:39.33 | pacman87 | checking... |
| 02:41.11 | pacman87 | true |
| 02:42.19 | JeffM2501 | what is killerID? |
| 02:45.51 | JeffM2501 | -1 I'm betting? |
| 02:46.33 | pacman87 | yeah |
| 02:46.42 | JeffM2501 | try seting it to BZ_SERVER |
| 02:46.52 | pacman87 | will do |
| 02:47.38 | JeffM2501 | may not work |
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| 02:48.38 | pacman87 | worth a shot |
| 02:49.28 | pacman87 | testing... |
| 02:51.01 | pacman87 | success! |
| 02:51.20 | blast007 | your test killed the CIA bot! |
| 02:51.41 | pacman87 | well, my test was trying to kill me |
| 02:51.52 | pacman87 | i guess CIA was collateral damage |
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| 02:52.48 | Macrosoft | it lives *cackles maniacally* |
| 02:54.33 | JeffM2501 | I've commited changes that will fix it |
| 02:54.40 | JeffM2501 | -1 didn't actualy send the mssage |
| 02:54.49 | JeffM2501 | so now it sends it as a server kill |
| 03:01.02 | F687s | why is there an observer_bolt.png if observers can't shoot? (or can they?) |
| 03:02.30 | JeffM2501 | you just keep thinking that ;) |
| 03:02.43 | F687s | for maximum compatibility with Pythonian? |
| 03:02.49 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 03:03.04 | F687s | the place where observers hunt you down? |
| 03:03.09 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 03:03.34 | F687s | i guess you've never experienced any of the strange errors there... |
| 03:05.03 | F687s | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11709 |
| 03:05.27 | JeffM2501 | that is not the reason for the shot |
| 03:05.55 | JeffM2501 | trepan added it |
| 03:06.02 | JeffM2501 | probably for ghosting |
| 03:06.19 | JeffM2501 | I don't thin it's ever loaded |
| 03:06.45 | F687s | it is, on rare occasions where observers can shoot (usually via a bzfs hack) |
| 03:06.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah it will auto load if a shot has that team |
| 03:07.08 | JeffM2501 | probably also added for world weapons |
| 03:07.14 | JeffM2501 | since they can just "exist" |
| 03:07.30 | F687s | it probably has about the same semi-legitimate use as the spree*.wav files |
| 03:07.32 | JeffM2501 | and rabbit wasn't a team back then |
| 03:07.43 | JeffM2501 | naw I added those |
| 03:07.47 | JeffM2501 | for play history tracker |
| 03:08.19 | F687s | yeah, but client sounds never worked out quite well (the source of play history tracker comments them out) |
| 03:08.50 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 03:09.02 | JeffM2501 | should work better in trunk |
| 03:09.30 | F687s | hopefully |
| 03:09.37 | F687s | will svn be able to play remote sounds? |
| 03:09.44 | JeffM2501 | should |
| 03:09.57 | JeffM2501 | if not, we can fix it |
| 03:10.05 | JeffM2501 | tho we have to fix where it saves the sounds |
| 03:10.51 | F687s | I wonder what will happen then... *thoughts turn to dark things* |
| 03:11.20 | JeffM2501 | what do you mean? |
| 03:11.47 | F687s | well, in a sense, they probably won't be abused any more than images |
| 03:11.55 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 03:12.01 | JeffM2501 | we'll have to make sounds.bzflag.org |
| 03:12.05 | JeffM2501 | yada yada |
| 03:12.28 | JeffM2501 | or maybe just do *.resources.bzflag.org |
| 03:12.38 | JeffM2501 | and then do audio.resources.bzflag.org |
| 03:13.05 | F687s | I'm supposing they will be within the same limitations remote textures are under now |
| 03:13.13 | JeffM2501 | ohh yeah |
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| 04:00.20 | Thumper_ | ~botmail for JeffM2501: http://bzflag.pastebin.com/m2b940b3f |
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| 04:14.05 | pavel | hi all |
| 04:14.55 | blast007 | hi |
| 04:17.18 | *** join/#bzflag rob1n (n=rob1n@unaffiliated/rob1n) |
| 04:22.43 | pavel | i install bzflag but i dont know game modes there is |
| 04:23.07 | pavel | i play one game and they kicked me because i killed my team player |
| 04:23.18 | pavel | please tell me somee basic |
| 04:23.24 | blast007 | sure |
| 04:23.40 | blast007 | basically, FFA (Free For All) isn't a real free-for-all |
| 04:23.50 | blast007 | it's where you shoot tanks that aren't your own color |
| 04:24.03 | blast007 | Rogue tanks (yellow) can kill anyone |
| 04:24.16 | blast007 | let me see if I can find a guide or two on the various game styles |
| 04:25.00 | pavel | ok |
| 04:25.05 | rob1n | CTF (capture the flag) is the same as FFA, except there aren't (usually) rogues, and you're supposed to get other teams' flags from their base to yours |
| 04:25.06 | rob1n | "capturing" it |
| 04:25.22 | pavel | ok i understand :) |
| 04:25.29 | rob1n | rabbit hunt is all rogues, and there's one player that the server marks as the "rabbit" and that's who you're trying to kill |
| 04:26.18 | blast007 | so if you're the rabbit (white tank), kill the orange guys |
| 04:26.25 | blast007 | otherwise, kill the white tank ;) |
| 04:26.34 | pavel | yeak |
| 04:26.52 | blast007 | and FFA, if you are on a team (Red, Blue, Green, Purple) then shoot the other teams, or rogues |
| 04:27.02 | blast007 | and as a Rogue, you can shoot anyone, including other rogues |
| 04:27.03 | pavel | so ok thank you a lot, mayby we will see in somee game, but now aI have to go my work |
| 04:27.04 | pavel | :) |
| 04:27.10 | blast007 | the Help menu in the game probably has some info too |
| 04:27.14 | pavel | ok |
| 04:27.34 | pavel | and do you think bzflag is good game? |
| 04:29.16 | blast007 | it's a different kind of game... one that might not have all the graphical glitz to compare with commercial games, but one that has a strong community and a lot of fun/challenging gameplay opportunities |
| 04:29.33 | blast007 | there's leagues as well |
| 04:30.50 | rob1n | its adrenaline rush isn't comparable to other FPS' if that's what you're asking ;) |
| 04:30.50 | pavel | wow, because i think it ihis gamess very good online gamess with a lot of people and people are base of t |
| 04:31.02 | pavel | sorry i wrote bad |
| 04:31.53 | pavel | never mind, |
| 04:32.14 | pavel | bye, continental need me !!! :) |
| 04:32.20 | blast007 | cya |
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| 05:08.14 | Constitution | BZBB admins: the thread for requesting global groups is misspelled |
| 05:08.31 | Constitution | Permision->Permission |
| 05:08.37 | Constitution | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11774 |
| 05:13.47 | Constitution | not at all |
| 05:14.10 | Constitution | I was very close to saying "mispell" instead of "misspell" myself just now ;) |
| 05:19.26 | Constitution | ~blast007++ |
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| 05:22.23 | Constitution | hmmm, phpBB 3 is out |
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| 09:18.16 | pacman87 | cheat client stopped by, ip: 62.220.118.73 |
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| 09:55.22 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: connect |
| 09:55.40 | *** join/#bzflag lepoulpebot (n=lepoulpe@LSt-Amand-152-32-5-35.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 09:55.54 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: connect mofo.kicks-ass.net:4200 |
| 09:55.55 | lepoulpebot | Connecting to MOFO.KICKS-ASS.NET:4200 |
| 09:55.56 | lepoulpebot | Connected! |
| 09:56.06 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: players |
| 09:56.06 | lepoulpebot | First Class,Gimp Machine of Death & Despair,lepoulpebot,BallBlaster,its raining!,O`Paren,try later,jhihano,sheiter 21,suntera,NaSaN,k01,rasto,lowjet |
| 09:56.12 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: team red |
| 09:56.12 | lepoulpebot | [7]jhihano(0) |
| 09:56.23 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: player jhihano |
| 09:56.23 | lepoulpebot | jhihano red (win/lost/tk):7 / 3 / 8 |
| 09:57.13 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: player suntera |
| 09:57.13 | lepoulpebot | suntera purple (win/lost/tk):9 / 19 / 19 |
| 09:58.14 | lepoulpe303 | hmmm something wrong with TK value |
| 09:58.22 | pacman87 | lepoulpebot: player First Class |
| 09:58.22 | lepoulpebot | You're not allowed to execute this command... |
| 09:58.25 | pacman87 | aww |
| 09:58.26 | lepoulpebot | You're not allowed to execute this command... |
| 09:58.58 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: reloadconf |
| 09:59.05 | lepoulpe303 | pacman87: try again please |
| 09:59.10 | pacman87 | lepoulpebot: team green |
| 09:59.10 | lepoulpebot | [11]k01(0) |
| 09:59.13 | pacman87 | :) |
| 09:59.36 | pacman87 | though you may want to remove the [#] |
| 09:59.41 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: player k01 |
| 09:59.41 | lepoulpebot | k01 green (win/lost/tk):11 / 17 / 30 |
| 09:59.52 | lepoulpe303 | 30 tk !!! now i'm sure, i have a problem |
| 10:00.35 | pacman87 | lepoulpebot: players |
| 10:00.35 | lepoulpebot | First Class,Gimp Machine of Death & Despair,lepoulpebot,BallBlaster,its raining!,try later,jhihano,suntera,NaSaN,k01,dop,mage,lowjet |
| 10:00.53 | pacman87 | lepoulpebot: player lowjet |
| 10:00.53 | lepoulpebot | lowjet blue (win/lost/tk):14 / 188 / 123 |
| 10:01.08 | lepoulpe303 | i can't connect no the server to verify these values |
| 10:01.15 | lepoulpe303 | /no/to |
| 10:01.16 | pacman87 | what the address? |
| 10:01.20 | pacman87 | what's |
| 10:01.26 | lepoulpe303 | mofo.kicks-ass.net:4200 |
| 10:02.37 | pacman87 | lepoulpebot: player lowjet |
| 10:02.37 | lepoulpebot | lowjet blue (win/lost/tk):14 / 188 / 123 |
| 10:02.53 | pacman87 | how often does it update? |
| 10:03.01 | lepoulpe303 | permanently |
| 10:03.10 | lepoulpe303 | my bot is on the server and receives scorechanged messages |
| 10:03.32 | pacman87 | i dont' see it there |
| 10:03.47 | lepoulpe303 | hmmmm |
| 10:05.17 | lepoulpe303 | i see him killing in the log file |
| 10:05.26 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: showfight |
| 10:05.30 | [dmp] | lepoulpe303: lowjet 207/135/7 |
| 10:05.30 | lepoulpebot | You're not allowed to execute this command... |
| 10:05.46 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: showfight |
| 10:05.55 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: showfight |
| 10:06.15 | lepoulpe303 | [dmp]: omg where do i get these values |
| 10:06.44 | *** join/#bzflag lepoulpebot (n=lepoulpe@LSt-Amand-152-32-5-35.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 10:06.50 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: connect mofo.kicks-ass.net:4200 |
| 10:06.51 | lepoulpebot | Connecting to MOFO.KICKS-ASS.NET:4200 |
| 10:06.53 | lepoulpebot | Connected! |
| 10:06.59 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: player lowjet blue |
| 10:07.00 | lepoulpebot | Player is not on the server |
| 10:07.05 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: player lowjet |
| 10:07.05 | lepoulpebot | lowjet blue (win/lost/tk):14 / 211 / 141 |
| 10:07.38 | pacman87 | 211 is wins, 141 is losses |
| 10:07.40 | [dmp] | 211/142/7 |
| 10:07.41 | lepoulpebot | You're not allowed to execute this command... |
| 10:07.59 | [dmp] | seems like it mised up the numbers, and doubles the tks :) |
| 10:08.00 | lepoulpebot | You're not allowed to execute this command... |
| 10:08.05 | pacman87 | yeah... |
| 10:08.15 | lepoulpe303 | hmm hmmm hmm |
| 10:08.28 | pacman87 | lepoulpebot: player try later |
| 10:08.28 | lepoulpebot | try later rogue (win/lost/tk):6 / 22 / 69 |
| 10:08.56 | pacman87 | 22 wins, 69 losses |
| 10:09.02 | pacman87 | but 0 tks |
| 10:09.26 | pacman87 | so that rules out the 'double the tks' theory |
| 10:09.34 | lepoulpe303 | now i know |
| 10:09.49 | lepoulpe303 | it's when interpreting 2nd player in scorechanged |
| 10:10.10 | lepoulpe303 | hmm |
| 10:10.13 | lepoulpe303 | not sure in fact |
| 10:10.16 | lepoulpe303 | RHAAAA |
| 10:10.37 | *** join/#bzflag lepoulpebot (n=lepoulpe@LSt-Amand-152-32-5-35.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 10:10.44 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: connect mofo.kicks-ass.net:4200 |
| 10:10.45 | lepoulpebot | Connecting to MOFO.KICKS-ASS.NET:4200 |
| 10:10.46 | lepoulpebot | Connected! |
| 10:10.57 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: player lowjet |
| 10:10.58 | lepoulpebot | lowjet blue (win/lost/tk):218 / 148 / 7 |
| 10:11.06 | lepoulpe303 | thta's it |
| 10:11.20 | lepoulpe303 | misinterpretation of player 2 scorechanged |
| 10:11.33 | lepoulpe303 | :/ |
| 10:11.52 | pacman87 | lepoulpebot: player pacman87 |
| 10:11.52 | lepoulpebot | pacman87 observer (win/lost/tk):0 / 0 / 0 |
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| 10:16.36 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot_: connect mofo.kicks-ass.net:4200 |
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| 10:40.28 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o brlcad] by irc.freenode.net |
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| 10:43.46 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: connect mofo.kicks-ass.net:4200 |
| 10:43.46 | lepoulpebot | Connecting to MOFO.KICKS-ASS.NET:4200 |
| 10:43.48 | lepoulpebot | Connected! |
| 10:43.55 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: players |
| 10:43.55 | lepoulpebot | First Class,Gimp Machine of Death & Despair,banger,BallBlaster,its raining!,lepoulpebot,pacman87,Brutal Deluxe,mjyu51,dop,CwByBill |
| 10:44.03 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: player First Class |
| 10:44.04 | lepoulpebot | First Class rogue (win/lost/tk):57856 / 36096 / 0 |
| 10:44.11 | lepoulpe303 | huhuhu |
| 10:44.33 | pacman87 | still having trouble? |
| 10:44.53 | lepoulpe303 | nooooooo :) |
| 10:45.02 | *** join/#bzflag lepoulpebot (n=lepoulpe@LSt-Amand-152-32-5-35.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 10:45.06 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: connect mofo.kicks-ass.net:4200 |
| 10:45.06 | lepoulpebot | Connecting to MOFO.KICKS-ASS.NET:4200 |
| 10:45.07 | pacman87 | i'm pretty sure the maximum score is 32767 |
| 10:45.08 | lepoulpebot | Connected! |
| 10:45.13 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: player First Class |
| 10:45.13 | lepoulpebot | First Class rogue (win/lost/tk):227 / 142 / 0 |
| 10:45.17 | lepoulpe303 | Aaah |
| 10:45.29 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: player gx |
| 10:45.29 | lepoulpebot | Gx rogue (win/lost/tk):10 / 1 / 3 |
| 10:45.41 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: player banger |
| 10:45.41 | lepoulpebot | banger purple (win/lost/tk):2 / 2 / 6 |
| 10:46.44 | pacman87 | right now, no one currently playing has any tk's |
| 10:47.16 | pacman87 | gx was 3w, 3l when i checked |
| 10:47.33 | pacman87 | banger is 4-10 |
| 10:49.25 | lepoulpe303 | ok this time it *should* be ok |
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| 10:49.36 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: connect mofo.kicks-ass.net:4200 |
| 10:49.36 | lepoulpebot | Connecting to MOFO.KICKS-ASS.NET:4200 |
| 10:49.38 | lepoulpebot | Connected! |
| 10:49.42 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: player banger |
| 10:49.42 | lepoulpebot | banger purple (win/lost/tk):0 / 256 / 0 |
| 10:49.52 | lepoulpe303 | hum |
| 10:50.06 | lepoulpe303 | still shifted from one byte |
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| 10:51.28 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: connect mofo.kicks-ass.net:4200 |
| 10:51.28 | lepoulpebot | Connecting to MOFO.KICKS-ASS.NET:4200 |
| 10:51.29 | lepoulpebot | Connected! |
| 10:51.32 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: player banger |
| 10:51.33 | lepoulpebot | banger purple (win/lost/tk):3 / 4 / 0 |
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| 11:04.47 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: connect mofo.kicks-ass.net:4200 |
| 11:04.47 | lepoulpebot | Connecting to MOFO.KICKS-ASS.NET:4200 |
| 11:04.49 | lepoulpebot | Connected! |
| 11:04.51 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: player banger |
| 11:04.52 | lepoulpebot | Player is not on the server |
| 11:04.55 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: players |
| 11:04.55 | lepoulpebot | k01,Gimp Machine of Death & Despair,kk,IOOOOI,silentbob233,b_O_n_o,pacman87,lepoulpebot,Brutal Deluxe,Gx |
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| 11:05.01 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: Gx |
| 11:05.06 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: Player Gx |
| 11:05.06 | lepoulpebot | Gx rogue (win/lost/tk):10 / 44 / 16 |
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| 11:14.37 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: connect mofo.kicks-ass.net:4200 |
| 11:14.37 | lepoulpebot | Connecting to MOFO.KICKS-ASS.NET:4200 |
| 11:14.39 | lepoulpebot | Connected! |
| 11:14.42 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: players |
| 11:14.42 | lepoulpebot | lepoulpebot,Gimp Machine of Death & Despair,Tux,viking[Moscow,RU],b_O_n_o,pacman87,Deception,Gx,Darth Vader |
| 11:14.48 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: pacman87 |
| 11:14.54 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: player pacman87 |
| 11:14.54 | lepoulpebot | pacman87 observer (win/lost/tk):0 / 0 / 0 |
| 11:15.03 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: player Deception |
| 11:15.03 | lepoulpebot | Deception red (win/lost/tk):512 / 4352 / 0 |
| 11:15.15 | pacman87 | 2-17 |
| 11:15.24 | lepoulpe303 | :) |
| 11:15.32 | lepoulpe303 | this drives me crazy |
| 11:15.33 | pacman87 | for deception |
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| 11:16.47 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: connect mofo.kicks-ass.net:4200 |
| 11:16.47 | lepoulpebot | Connecting to MOFO.KICKS-ASS.NET:4200 |
| 11:16.49 | lepoulpebot | Connected! |
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| 11:18.34 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: connect mofo.kicks-ass.net:4200 |
| 11:18.34 | lepoulpebot | Connecting to MOFO.KICKS-ASS.NET:4200 |
| 11:18.35 | lepoulpebot | Connected! |
| 11:18.39 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: player Deception |
| 11:18.39 | lepoulpebot | Deception blue (win/lost/tk):3 / 3 / 0 |
| 11:19.24 | whodaman- | lepoulpebot, players |
| 11:19.25 | lepoulpebot | You're not allowed to execute this command... |
| 11:19.33 | whodaman- | Aww |
| 11:19.34 | lepoulpebot | You're not allowed to execute this command... |
| 11:19.44 | lepoulpe303 | :'( |
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| 11:21.10 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: connect mofo.kicks-ass.net:4200 |
| 11:21.11 | lepoulpebot | Connecting to MOFO.KICKS-ASS.NET:4200 |
| 11:21.12 | lepoulpebot | Connected! |
| 11:21.15 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: player Deception |
| 11:21.15 | lepoulpebot | Deception blue (win/lost/tk):7 / 7 / 0 |
| 11:21.25 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: player tux |
| 11:21.26 | lepoulpebot | Tux rogue (win/lost/tk):3 / 14 / 14 |
| 11:21.37 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: player Deception |
| 11:21.37 | lepoulpebot | Deception blue (win/lost/tk):8 / 7 / 8 |
| 11:22.33 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: player joe100 |
| 11:22.34 | lepoulpebot | joe100 rogue (win/lost/tk):0 / 0 / 0 |
| 11:22.44 | lepoulpe303 | lepoulpebot: player tux |
| 11:22.44 | lepoulpebot | Tux rogue (win/lost/tk):3 / 21 / 16 |
| 11:23.46 | lepoulpe303 | ok I stop ; i must do something else or i'll throw my chair in the screen |
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| 11:33.07 | pacman87 | i've released my plugin into the wild |
| 11:33.16 | pacman87 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11949 |
| 11:34.52 | whodaman- | pacman87, why would you want to kick a player for trying to take another teamflag, as long as you can't, no harm done? |
| 11:35.13 | pacman87 | it's the player who sit there |
| 11:35.22 | pacman87 | and grab it again and again and again |
| 11:35.48 | pacman87 | *assume my verb tenses were correct, please |
| 11:36.10 | pacman87 | and you can turn that part off |
| 11:42.13 | whodaman- | Yeah. |
| 12:04.05 | ruskie | pacman87, so it only kicks in if it's being taken repeatedly? |
| 12:04.20 | pacman87 | yeah |
| 12:04.28 | pacman87 | you can set the number of times |
| 12:04.47 | pacman87 | the counter resets when the player make a legetimate grab |
| 12:04.52 | pacman87 | either their own flag |
| 12:05.02 | pacman87 | or a valid, fair opponent |
| 12:05.53 | ruskie | own flag or $any other flag? |
| 12:06.04 | ruskie | or dose it only count team flags? |
| 12:07.04 | ruskie | hmm guess I'll have to rip your part of the code and integrate it into vipers plugin... |
| 12:14.35 | pacman87 | only team flags |
| 12:14.56 | pacman87 | though it won' t be hard to use for any flag |
| 12:15.37 | pacman87 | what's viper's do? |
| 12:16.56 | ruskie | it disallows all but own team flag pickup when uneven teams |
| 12:17.08 | pacman87 | and what part of mine do you want? |
| 12:17.32 | pacman87 | line 642 is the check for team flag |
| 12:17.45 | ruskie | the kill abusers part :) |
| 12:17.52 | pacman87 | ah, the fun part :) |
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| 12:20.14 | pacman87 | it's mostly in the FlagGrabbedEvent and PlayerPartEvent |
| 12:20.49 | pacman87 | with a bit in the command handler to clear the list when the plugin is turned off |
| 12:41.33 | ruskie | I'll see |
| 12:41.47 | ruskie | unless you want to add an option to disable/enable weak_team pickup |
| 12:55.06 | pacman87 | i could do that |
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| 12:58.30 | pacman87 | well, it'd be relatively easy to modify my plugin to do as you say |
| 12:58.54 | pacman87 | i cant think of a good way to be able to switch back and forth without excessive code duplication |
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| 14:55.41 | pavel | hi all |
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| 15:56.20 | [dmp] | http://www.gameolosophy.com/Games/Online/Some-of-the-Best-Truly-Free-and-Open-Source-Games-on-the-Internet.64730 |
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| 16:13.23 | Chestal | [dmp]: yay! |
| 16:14.35 | [dmp] | :) |
| 16:15.27 | whodaman- | I read that on digg.com too :D |
| 16:20.52 | [dmp] | whodaman-: i dont read digg :-) |
| 16:21.07 | whodaman- | heh |
| 16:21.25 | whodaman- | I coincidentally saw it in the RSS feed when I opened mail |
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| 16:36.32 | JeffM2501 | gack. assulted by the ibot/jbot duo! |
| 16:37.09 | scott | bot molestation |
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| 17:30.29 | JeffM | Thumper_, what would be cool is to have a web page that shows any errors from the last night's build |
| 17:30.42 | JeffM | and maybe sent out an e-mail if it failed |
| 17:30.48 | JeffM | or RSS feed or something |
| 17:30.55 | Thumper_ | it sends email daily now (fail or good) to me |
| 17:31.18 | JeffM | or the botmail isn't bad |
| 17:31.26 | JeffM | if I can get tim to fix the botspam :) |
| 17:31.30 | Thumper_ | I could probably stuff that on a website or something - I'll think about it :) |
| 17:31.52 | JeffM | yeah whaterver, no biggie, just be cool to hav automated |
| 17:32.09 | Thumper_ | it's mostly automated... except telling you :) |
| 17:32.25 | JeffM | well I was thinking of something other devs could opt in on |
| 17:32.32 | JeffM | since project != me :) |
| 17:32.38 | Thumper_ | true... |
| 17:32.50 | JeffM | what would be EXTRA cool is to also say who commited changes in that area if any :) |
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| 17:38.20 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: in that area meaning some file? |
| 17:39.31 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 17:40.00 | Thumper_ | '... who committed changes in that area' |
| 17:40.15 | JeffM2501 | oh, who commited changes to that file on those lines |
| 17:40.21 | JeffM2501 | svn knows who did what ;) |
| 17:40.22 | Thumper_ | so you want the last commit that touched the line with problems ? |
| 17:40.31 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:40.33 | Thumper_ | or all history of who touched the file |
| 17:40.33 | JeffM2501 | blame! |
| 17:41.14 | Thumper_ | not sure if there's a nice website interface to blame... I'll look |
| 17:42.03 | Thumper_ | I can probably automate the blame search for a failed build |
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| 18:07.01 | donny_baker | Thumper_: could just blame JeffM for everything, that seems to be what most people do :P |
| 18:07.22 | Thumper_ | heh |
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| 18:10.12 | JeffM2501 | /ban #bzflag everyone <for being jerks> |
| 18:10.46 | JeffM2501 | donny_baker, I can't help it if I'm the only one commiting ;) |
| 18:11.24 | JeffM2501 | must chatch up to brlcad.... |
| 18:12.00 | Tupone | ~spell chatch |
| 18:12.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah yeah yeah |
| 18:12.23 | brlcad | heh |
| 18:12.26 | Tupone | what is the one? |
| 18:12.29 | Thumper_ | 'catch' |
| 18:12.32 | JeffM2501 | catch |
| 18:12.35 | Tupone | ahh |
| 18:12.38 | whodaman- | heh |
| 18:13.05 | brlcad | unfortunately activity spawns activity |
| 18:13.30 | brlcad | but then that's still a win win |
| 18:14.48 | JeffM2501 | well I hope I can get DTRemenak to work on it |
| 18:14.57 | Erroneous | hm? |
| 18:14.59 | JeffM2501 | he wants to tepletize the crap out of my packing stuff |
| 18:15.03 | JeffM2501 | templetize |
| 18:15.24 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, you know that thing you wanted to to to piss off brlcad |
| 18:15.30 | Erroneous | heh |
| 18:16.06 | Erroneous | and I doubt brlcad would have a problem with normal templates |
| 18:16.28 | brlcad | yeah, that wouldn't piss me off at all |
| 18:16.39 | brlcad | could be kinda nifty even |
| 18:16.56 | JeffM2501 | it was the RTTI that was it |
| 18:17.01 | Erroneous | templates can result in some very slick code |
| 18:17.26 | Erroneous | yeah, that's not worth it anyway |
| 18:17.44 | brlcad | hm, well using rtti would be someone ignoring our own dev guidelines |
| 18:17.55 | brlcad | which I tend to frown upon |
| 18:17.57 | Erroneous | that's why he said it'd piss you off :) |
| 18:18.08 | brlcad | if it's going to go against DEVINFO, it should just be discussed and agreed |
| 18:18.22 | brlcad | it wouldn't piss me off, but I would frown |
| 18:18.28 | JeffM2501 | or just Edit the DEVINFO ;) |
| 18:18.34 | brlcad | but for packing, I don't see why you'd have to use rtti for that |
| 18:18.48 | JeffM2501 | he had a slick idea for repacking |
| 18:18.51 | Erroneous | no, don't have to. it was a potential way to keep repacking typesafe |
| 18:18.58 | JeffM2501 | but I replaced all the code that does repacking |
| 18:19.40 | Erroneous | wouldn't have been worth the effort anyway. not like any of our current net code is typesafe |
| 18:34.17 | brlcad | just editing devinfo defeats one of the main purposes of the file, it makes for inconsistent code and that's worse than just about any single religious preference |
| 18:36.07 | brlcad | wouldn't change from what's effectively already discussed without getting new consensus just because I wouldn't want someone else to do that to me either |
| 18:36.15 | JeffM2501 | it was a joke |
| 18:36.48 | brlcad | given some different topic where I find myself in disagreement with something established |
| 18:36.56 | brlcad | i know, but it's relevant :) |
| 18:38.40 | brlcad | i think part of our disorganization is because there's not firm development direction (in terms of guidelines, understanding, planning, authority, etc) |
| 18:39.13 | brlcad | anyways, I'm just rambling and not committing at the moment, so it's just all noise until I do :) |
| 18:39.36 | JeffM2501 | cool, gives me more time to catch up |
| 18:40.00 | brlcad | heh |
| 18:43.48 | JeffM2501 | only hav to do about 500 |
| 18:43.57 | brlcad | mmhmm |
| 18:44.20 | JeffM2501 | /me as |
| 18:44.41 | brlcad | according to cia, your increased rate is still less :) |
| 18:44.50 | JeffM2501 | possibly |
| 18:44.56 | brlcad | just mine are going elsewhere at the moment |
| 18:44.57 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure i'll crap out at some point |
| 18:45.51 | JeffM2501 | still have to do the world info message tho |
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| 18:59.20 | Erroneous | you get your share of build system changes too :) |
| 18:59.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:59.49 | JeffM2501 | less |
| 19:00.10 | Constitution | RTTI? like dynamic typing? |
| 19:00.14 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 19:00.39 | Constitution | and that is against dev guidelines? |
| 19:00.51 | JeffM2501 | not all compilers suport it |
| 19:00.58 | Constitution | ah |
| 19:01.03 | Erroneous | also tends to introduce difficult-to-find bugs |
| 19:02.30 | Chestal | RTTI might have been a feature that was not supported very well back then when DEVINFO was written, but I find it hard to believe that it would cause problems now |
| 19:02.40 | Chestal | however, I rarely find the need to use it |
| 19:04.59 | Constitution | ~donny_baker++ |
| 19:19.35 | JeffM2501 | He is a man of action! |
| 19:19.41 | JeffM2501 | He is a man of Honor! |
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| 19:19.51 | Constitution | indeed :) |
| 19:20.28 | JeffM2501 | he is a man of duty! |
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| 19:20.38 | JeffM2501 | here comes..... dr. tran! |
| 19:24.38 | SpazzyMcGee | Jeff: a suggestion for BZW. Could there be a way that we could define lines on the radar that reman the same color no matter the height |
| 19:24.52 | SpazzyMcGee | Similar to the current ones for the outer walls. |
| 19:25.22 | SpazzyMcGee | Then we could define an outer boundary that looks good no matter the height of the tank. |
| 19:28.29 | SpazzyMcGee | Or alternatively, a parameter for normal objects and faces who's height is not shown on the radar, the same color at all heights. |
| 19:28.39 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 19:29.20 | SpazzyMcGee | hmmm. I've explained it poorly. |
| 19:29.34 | JeffM2501 | think out an explenation, I have to go to lunch |
| 19:29.43 | SpazzyMcGee | sure. |
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| 19:59.23 | whodaman- | Thanks donny_baker |
| 19:59.32 | whodaman- | ~donny_baker++ |
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| 20:25.58 | whodaman- | Could I get some GU-Admins to bzf:5154 |
| 20:26.03 | whodaman- | CRW is there cheating - as usual |
| 20:27.20 | Winny | joy |
| 20:27.25 | Winny | let's do a pollban |
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| 20:27.31 | whodaman- | Winny, isn't working |
| 20:27.33 | whodaman- | heh |
| 20:27.37 | kick52 | i think this would be the correct place to ask |
| 20:27.51 | Winny | wonderful |
| 20:28.00 | kick52 | if the pillbox map broken? as enemies sometimes spawn in your base quarter |
| 20:28.03 | kick52 | which is a bit annoying |
| 20:28.11 | Winny | brad, menotume: ping |
| 20:28.47 | brad | pong |
| 20:29.07 | brad | oh right :P |
| 20:29.10 | whodaman- | yeah |
| 20:29.16 | whodaman- | he's gone |
| 20:29.39 | whodaman- | heh, I already had all the clients running :P |
| 20:41.05 | Winny | ~stth whodaman- |
| 20:41.15 | ibot | ACTION stalks whodaman- for a long time and then sneaks to about 50 yards behind whodaman-, gets a running start and tacklehugs whodaman- to the ground, then tickles whodaman- until whodaman- is beyond all hope of rescue |
| 20:41.24 | whodaman- | nice reaction ibot |
| 20:41.45 | Winny | ibot: fail |
| 20:41.45 | ibot | ACTION gives winny the worst grade imaginable, an A minus... minus! |
| 20:41.52 | Winny | >:O |
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| 20:42.19 | JeffM2501 | SpazzyMcGee, now what were you saying? |
| 20:42.44 | SpazzyMcGee | Right. basically... |
| 20:42.53 | JeffM2501 | do you want a way to mark things on the radar? |
| 20:43.00 | JeffM2501 | like a zone boundry? |
| 20:43.05 | SpazzyMcGee | Kinda. |
| 20:43.14 | JeffM2501 | solid or outline? |
| 20:43.48 | SpazzyMcGee | The opacity changes depending on the height of the tank, I was asking for a way to stop that effect of a specific object. |
| 20:44.05 | Winny | SpazzyMcGee: make a hugely tall mesh (for now) |
| 20:44.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah we could do that, but what do you want to use it FOR? |
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| 20:45.06 | Winny | ...to show the edge of a map on radar, on maps with non-standard walls. |
| 20:45.13 | SpazzyMcGee | Outer boundaries. |
| 20:45.18 | SpazzyMcGee | yeah, winny. |
| 20:45.39 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 20:45.55 | JeffM2501 | I find it best to discuss the problem and the needs, before discussing the solutions |
| 20:46.08 | JeffM2501 | so you want a way to mark things on the radar that don't change with height |
| 20:46.09 | JeffM2501 | right? |
| 20:46.20 | SpazzyMcGee | pretty much, yeah. |
| 20:46.25 | JeffM2501 | you want to do it where there are real objects |
| 20:46.34 | JeffM2501 | but others may want to do it where there are no objects |
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| 20:46.46 | JeffM2501 | such as a box around something that is red, for "red base" |
| 20:47.27 | SpazzyMcGee | I was thinking just have a 'noradarheight' parameter for objects. Like passable or noradar. |
| 20:47.38 | JeffM2501 | that is one possible solution |
| 20:47.53 | JeffM2501 | I'd rather hav a generic radar marking system |
| 20:48.07 | SpazzyMcGee | A way to draw lines on the radar. |
| 20:48.09 | SpazzyMcGee | Yeah |
| 20:48.13 | JeffM2501 | shapes lets say |
| 20:48.23 | JeffM2501 | and even text I'd like |
| 20:48.26 | JeffM2501 | radar labels |
| 20:48.51 | SpazzyMcGee | ooo... |
| 20:49.04 | SpazzyMcGee | yeah, that could be useful. |
| 20:49.08 | JeffM2501 | see why I like to think of the problem before the solution ;) |
| 20:49.14 | JeffM2501 | no mater what the code has to change |
| 20:49.24 | JeffM2501 | may as well change it in a good way rather then the simplest hack |
| 20:49.45 | SpazzyMcGee | I guess. |
| 20:50.55 | whodaman- | 6 |
| 20:51.05 | Winny | whodaman-: 6? |
| 20:51.07 | SpazzyMcGee | Currently the only way to draw on the radar would be to use passable invisible meshes. But there's the height issue again. |
| 20:51.08 | whodaman- | whoops |
| 20:51.13 | whodaman- | Winny, typo :P |
| 20:51.19 | JeffM2501 | nothing can be changed for the current game SpazzyMcGee |
| 20:51.19 | Winny | ah, you meant 5 |
| 20:51.27 | JeffM2501 | so no mater what, it's got to be a new feature |
| 20:51.31 | SpazzyMcGee | JeffM2501: yeah, I know |
| 20:51.40 | JeffM2501 | so may as well make it as generic as possible |
| 20:51.56 | JeffM2501 | otherwise once we do get to a generic system, we would have the old hack system hanging around. |
| 20:52.08 | JeffM2501 | and have to suport it |
| 20:52.13 | JeffM2501 | making the code more ugly |
| 20:52.18 | SpazzyMcGee | ah yeah |
| 20:57.02 | Winny | shadowslice: If you're going to spend extended periods of time on IRC, I really do reccomend a real client |
| 20:57.06 | Winny | they're much nicer :) |
| 20:57.24 | shadowslice | How? |
| 20:57.47 | shadowslice | I mean where |
| 20:58.35 | Constitution | http://irchelp.org/ |
| 20:59.12 | Constitution | http://www.ircreviews.org/clients/platforms-windows.html |
| 20:59.38 | Winny | x-chat is pre... nvm |
| 21:00.46 | JeffM2501 | SpazzyMcGee, http://my.bzflag.org/w/Radar_Marker(object) |
| 21:00.54 | JeffM2501 | add any objects you can think of |
| 21:01.04 | JeffM2501 | then let me know when your done and I'll review it. |
| 21:01.16 | SpazzyMcGee | OK |
| 21:01.44 | JeffM2501 | tho those basics should get most things |
| 21:02.25 | SpazzyMcGee | Yeah. |
| 21:03.44 | SpazzyMcGee | Just to clarify, color4 - set any r g b a color? |
| 21:03.48 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:05.21 | KTL | i recognize this .... we had a talk about this ... and someone implemented it :D |
| 21:05.24 | KTL | nice nice |
| 21:06.02 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 21:06.18 | SpazzyMcGee | Would all these ignore height? i.e. the opacity doesn't change in relation to the tank? |
| 21:06.24 | KTL | ah the radar marker thing is still purely an idea then |
| 21:06.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah that'd the be the point |
| 21:06.39 | JeffM2501 | KTL, yes I've discussed it before, but nothing has been done. |
| 21:07.32 | JeffM2501 | I just like to write up a quick wiki page when we have discussions so info dosn't get lost :) |
| 21:07.43 | KTL | efficient |
| 21:08.13 | JeffM2501 | did the same for http://my.bzflag.org/w/World_Info(object) |
| 21:08.48 | JeffM2501 | now if I get REALY trick ( and I may ) I can make the radar objects be dynamicly set by the API :) |
| 21:09.38 | KTL | mmm i just got an idea based on it |
| 21:10.16 | KTL | suppose you enter a place in a map, that something "happens", some story pops up, some place related info |
| 21:10.25 | SpazzyMcGee | IIRC, there was a thing trepan did with radar textures... |
| 21:10.49 | SpazzyMcGee | Perhaps we could have textures on the filled polygon object. |
| 21:12.38 | Winny | it sure would be cool if he came back :/ |
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| 21:14.17 | SpazzyMcGee | Hmm... JeffM2501: I added thickness to lines. Can that be done? |
| 21:15.20 | JeffM2501 | I'd not |
| 21:15.26 | JeffM2501 | since what units would it be in? |
| 21:15.33 | Winny | pixels? |
| 21:15.55 | SpazzyMcGee | But the radar changes size.... |
| 21:15.58 | JeffM2501 | so somone with a lower res display gets fatter lines then sommeone with a higher res display? |
| 21:15.58 | SpazzyMcGee | I guess. |
| 21:15.59 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 21:16.09 | JeffM2501 | that's why I left it out |
| 21:16.33 | JeffM2501 | we'd keep it a constant porportional width |
| 21:16.45 | SpazzyMcGee | Couldn't you do it in world units? |
| 21:16.50 | JeffM2501 | if you wanted to do fat lines, you could go and define them as filled boxes |
| 21:16.53 | JeffM2501 | that's a filled box then |
| 21:16.55 | JeffM2501 | not a line |
| 21:16.57 | SpazzyMcGee | yeah |
| 21:17.14 | JeffM2501 | it's not meant to be a full art program ;) |
| 21:17.29 | SpazzyMcGee | Yeah, but still. |
| 21:17.33 | SpazzyMcGee | Text size too. |
| 21:17.38 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 21:17.44 | JeffM2501 | that'll be automaticly computed |
| 21:17.46 | JeffM2501 | they are labels |
| 21:17.53 | JeffM2501 | same for rotation |
| 21:18.07 | JeffM2501 | it's for anotation, not art |
| 21:19.45 | SpazzyMcGee | On a kind of related note, has the ability to define custom shaped bases been widely discussed? |
| 21:20.01 | JeffM2501 | what do you mean? |
| 21:20.09 | JeffM2501 | map objects in what ever shape you want? |
| 21:21.08 | Winny | isn't that what a group is for? |
| 21:21.13 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 21:21.15 | SpazzyMcGee | i.e, You have a mesh and you can label it as a base. |
| 21:21.17 | JeffM2501 | that is what a mesh is for ;) |
| 21:21.18 | Erroneous | at one point there was a parameter for meshes that flagged them as bases. it was not checked in primarily for consistency reasons... bases should be recognizable as bases on any map |
| 21:21.25 | Winny | SpazzyMcGee: ooh. |
| 21:21.42 | Winny | now THAT would be cool |
| 21:21.59 | SpazzyMcGee | So you could define a completely custom shaped base. |
| 21:22.06 | JeffM2501 | not at present |
| 21:22.18 | JeffM2501 | maybe I'll do that as a trigger type and get rid of the base object |
| 21:22.25 | JeffM2501 | as a real world object |
| 21:22.42 | SpazzyMcGee | A base that works nicely with 2.x objects. |
| 21:22.44 | whodaman- | that would bring a whole different aspect of CTF |
| 21:22.57 | JeffM2501 | triggers should make things interesting |
| 21:23.07 | Erroneous | it will get very difficult for players to pick up new maps if bases are not well defined |
| 21:23.12 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 21:23.30 | JeffM2501 | but then we have a bunch of other stuff that can screw people up too |
| 21:23.32 | Erroneous | bases are a constant size, radar color and texture for a reason |
| 21:23.35 | JeffM2501 | it's hard to find the line, etc.. |
| 21:23.48 | Erroneous | that "other stuff" does not affect your team's score ;) |
| 21:23.58 | JeffM2501 | it could if its' a weapon :) |
| 21:24.02 | JeffM2501 | but you are correct |
| 21:24.14 | JeffM2501 | there is a point where customistation leads to confusion |
| 21:24.24 | JeffM2501 | when you overwrite too many of the rules taken for granted. |
| 21:24.35 | JeffM2501 | but that can also be taken as bad map design. |
| 21:25.03 | SpazzyMcGee | I'd say the latter ;) |
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| 21:25.28 | JeffM2501 | but you have to know C to dp it |
| 21:25.32 | SpazzyMcGee | gah |
| 21:25.54 | Winny | why not just define a "basetype 1" for a world object in the future? |
| 21:25.57 | Winny | or something |
| 21:26.06 | Winny | 1 = red, etc.. |
| 21:26.27 | JeffM2501 | it's not an issue of "can" it's an issue of "should" |
| 21:26.32 | JeffM2501 | that's the point Erroneous is trying to make |
| 21:27.30 | JeffM2501 | if any object can be a base, and dosn't look like a base, how are players suposed to know where to take the flag? |
| 21:27.51 | JeffM2501 | it all comes down to how much we trust the map designers not to do something stupid |
| 21:28.01 | Erroneous | what's the first thing you look for when you join a ctf map? the base...red or green square on the radar. that's how people recognize bases now. |
| 21:28.01 | JeffM2501 | but then it also does limit inovation somewhat |
| 21:28.11 | JeffM2501 | as I said it's a fine line. |
| 21:28.34 | JeffM2501 | now with radar objects, you could make a RED shape for the base over any object. |
| 21:28.51 | SpazzyMcGee | We ought to at least have a base object that is compatible with 2.x objects. Currently you get the stuck tank bug when driving from a base to a mesh. |
| 21:28.52 | Erroneous | with labels, they could be labeled |
| 21:28.53 | JeffM2501 | perhaps it'd be good to draw the mesh on radar like we do a base... |
| 21:28.57 | Winny | but then they need to drive onto the actual base object, which kind of defeats the purpose |
| 21:28.58 | JeffM2501 | to force the issue |
| 21:29.06 | JeffM2501 | that may be a good compromise |
| 21:29.10 | Erroneous | stuck tank is a bug regardless, SpazzyMcGee |
| 21:29.21 | Erroneous | adding map objects to compensate for bugs is silly |
| 21:29.23 | JeffM2501 | Winny, you have to drive onto the base now |
| 21:29.30 | Winny | yeah... |
| 21:29.39 | JeffM2501 | that is how bases work |
| 21:29.41 | JeffM2501 | you drive onto them |
| 21:29.52 | JeffM2501 | core game mechanic... |
| 21:30.16 | JeffM2501 | SpazzyMcGee, think less of the end solution to the problem, and just think about defining the problem. |
| 21:30.22 | JeffM2501 | that is the way hacks go |
| 21:30.35 | JeffM2501 | and hacks as features are generaly not the best way to design software |
| 21:31.17 | SpazzyMcGee | I guess somebody would inevitably make a plugin that will make "base areas" with a map object anyway. |
| 21:31.57 | JeffM2501 | the point is, how do ensure that cusom bases behave and look like existing bases so that players are not confused. |
| 21:33.02 | JeffM2501 | maybe it's good enough to automaticly add a radar object for the mesh when it's flaged as a base |
| 21:33.07 | JeffM2501 | that gets part of the issue solved |
| 21:33.18 | JeffM2501 | the other part is the surface texture, that is harder |
| 21:33.50 | JeffM2501 | could do a bbox on the faces flaged as base, and map them to the standard base top |
| 21:34.19 | JeffM2501 | then it'd at least look the same |
| 21:34.19 | JeffM2501 | but could be other shapes |
| 21:34.29 | SpazzyMcGee | Actually, yeah - you could end up with a sloping base. |
| 21:34.43 | JeffM2501 | why woudl you want to make a base you can not drive on? |
| 21:36.02 | JeffM2501 | the point is, since bases have a gameplay affect, they should have some limits |
| 21:36.40 | SpazzyMcGee | I would say it's down to the map maker to make it clear. Forcing the colored outline on the radar should be enough, surely. |
| 21:36.54 | SpazzyMcGee | Unless you have a map with _radarLimit 0 |
| 21:37.01 | JeffM2501 | we make the software, we decide how it plays |
| 21:37.05 | JeffM2501 | the map makers are just users |
| 21:37.21 | JeffM2501 | if they want to change how the game plays then that's where they should program in |
| 21:37.42 | JeffM2501 | yes we allow some customisation, but we arn't here to make an anyGame toolkit |
| 21:38.09 | JeffM2501 | some could argue that we've added too much customisation as is |
| 21:38.50 | SpazzyMcGee | hmmm, yeah. |
| 21:39.07 | JeffM2501 | I mean I can make a plug-in that makes someone with CL fire a laser |
| 21:39.33 | whodaman- | heh |
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| 21:40.34 | Winny | JeffM2501: pretty sure I know the anwser, but are there any plans to ever ad some sort of shader to the game? (for better shadows..etc) |
| 21:40.41 | Winny | s/ad/add |
| 21:41.09 | JeffM2501 | we can do better shadows with out shaders |
| 21:41.23 | JeffM2501 | major graphic changes like that tie into engine disussions |
| 21:41.24 | Erroneous | as soon as someone writes the code, sure |
| 21:41.26 | JeffM2501 | so that's all realated |
| 21:41.31 | Winny | oh, right |
| 21:41.35 | JeffM2501 | yeah if somone does it, or replaces the engine. |
| 21:41.40 | JeffM2501 | but as always we plan little |
| 21:41.50 | JeffM2501 | trepan did stencel shadows |
| 21:41.52 | JeffM2501 | they looked good |
| 21:42.01 | JeffM2501 | makes a lot of map's realy dark |
| 21:42.13 | JeffM2501 | we'd also need to add map lights to do properly |
| 21:43.24 | SpazzyMcGee | I think lights would be more useful than shadows, personally. |
| 21:43.32 | JeffM2501 | they go together |
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| 21:43.49 | JeffM2501 | a light with out a shadow only changes highlights on tanks ;) |
| 21:43.55 | Winny | yeah, having map lights without shadows would be... interesting |
| 21:44.21 | JeffM2501 | lightmaps could be interesting |
| 21:44.25 | JeffM2501 | but would not work with the sun |
| 21:45.10 | JeffM2501 | we could stencil the world if it has a dynamic sky, and let maps that do skyboxes or fixed time use lightmaps |
| 21:48.16 | Winny | http://www.ogre3d.org/index.php?set_albumName=album30&option=com_gallery&Itemid=55&include=view_album.php yikes |
| 21:48.36 | F687s | wow...makes on embrace the darkness |
| 21:48.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah real engines == good |
| 21:49.10 | JeffM2501 | radiosity is your friend |
| 21:49.11 | Winny | :) |
| 21:50.08 | whodaman- | ~bzflist |
| 21:50.23 | whodaman- | hmm snilek.cz has CRW on it |
| 21:50.36 | whodaman- | have fun :) |
| 21:51.18 | Winny | wonderful |
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| 22:34.27 | delusional | very slow |
| 22:34.27 | whodaman- | And it's not taking my password |
| 22:35.05 | shadowslice | it isn't? |
| 22:35.08 | whodaman- | so is bzbb |
| 22:35.47 | delusional | bzbb nonexistent, for me. |
| 22:39.25 | JeffM2501 | works for me |
| 22:39.38 | whodaman- | It just sped up |
| 22:45.22 | Constitution | seems that apache was burdened down for a few minutes |
| 22:45.42 | Constitution | and mysql |
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