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| 00:30.45 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: http://bzflag.pastebin.com/m5e35e4a5 |
| 00:31.21 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: should I just fix them instead? |
| 00:31.36 | Thumper_ | or do you want the commit count ;) |
| 00:31.44 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 00:32.02 | JeffM2501 | I'll go look at it |
| 00:32.05 | JeffM2501 | I want to see where we use it |
| 00:32.20 | Thumper_ | unused param... we don't use it |
| 00:34.04 | Thumper_ | brlcad: is there any reason not to add -Werror to the debug build for plugins? |
| 00:34.32 | Thumper_ | and -Wno-deprecated |
| 00:36.48 | Thumper_ | i.e. duplicate the compiler options by platform for plugins too |
| 00:36.49 | JeffM2501 | we don't use it in that method |
| 00:37.00 | JeffM2501 | I want to see if we use human anywhere in any message processing |
| 00:38.04 | JeffM2501 | ok we will use when I move over messageKilled |
| 00:38.30 | Thumper_ | maybe this will help: http://bzflag.pastebin.com/m76e702b1 |
| 00:39.09 | Thumper_ | nevermind - you already decided you need it. |
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| 00:40.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah but I don't want to move all the methods yet, so I'll comment it. |
| 00:40.07 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 00:40.28 | JeffM2501 | eventualy all the suff from the old handleMessage will go into the new one |
| 00:40.48 | Thumper_ | I'm not rushing you :) just trying to get clean builds along the way |
| 00:41.04 | JeffM2501 | well it would build clean if you wern't debug |
| 00:41.08 | JeffM2501 | but it's not a bad thing |
| 00:41.16 | Thumper_ | yeah but I'm building in debug on purpose... to kill the warnings |
| 00:41.39 | JeffM2501 | as I said not a bad thing |
| 00:41.39 | Thumper_ | and to have meaningful backtrace output when it segfaults |
| 00:42.32 | Thumper_ | heh |
| 00:42.39 | Thumper_ | playing.cxx:2090: warning: ‘void handleKilledMessage(void*, bool, bool&)’ defined but not used |
| 00:43.06 | JeffM2501 | bahhh comited wrong thing |
| 00:46.47 | JeffM2501 | should be better |
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| 00:47.09 | Thumper_ | yup thx |
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| 02:17.05 | nn-main | hi all I finally am at a stage where I can test version 0.012 of bzfmaps server room map. made in blender How do export using bzw tools |
| 02:17.54 | AHA | The wiki is a powerfull tool. Use it |
| 02:19.59 | AHA | nn-main: http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZWTools might help |
| 02:20.33 | nn-main | yes i looked there do I have to create a .blender directort |
| 02:20.43 | nn-main | ndirectory |
| 02:20.51 | nn-main | directory |
| 02:20.54 | blast007 | there should already be one |
| 02:20.55 | nn-main | ack |
| 02:20.59 | blast007 | in ~/.blender |
| 02:21.02 | nn-main | ? there is not |
| 02:21.10 | blast007 | did you run blender? |
| 02:21.31 | nn-main | yes |
| 02:21.38 | blast007 | and if so, how are you verifying that the directory does not exist? |
| 02:21.50 | blast007 | did you try to run this in a terminal? cd ~/.blender |
| 02:22.01 | blast007 | the period makes it a hidden directory |
| 02:22.18 | nn-main | no such directory |
| 02:22.19 | blast007 | so it might now show up in your file manager, and also not with a regular 'ls' |
| 02:22.21 | blast007 | hmm |
| 02:22.37 | blast007 | did you make it with BZW Tools? |
| 02:22.43 | nn-main | bash: cd: /root/.blender: No such file or directory |
| 02:22.45 | blast007 | cuz that's sorta the point of that stuff |
| 02:22.49 | blast007 | root? |
| 02:22.50 | nn-main | no just blender |
| 02:22.53 | blast007 | why are you running as root? |
| 02:22.57 | nn-main | lol |
| 02:23.12 | nn-main | its a bad habbet |
| 02:23.16 | blast007 | seriously, that's just foolish |
| 02:23.41 | blast007 | but anyway, not sure why you don't have that directory |
| 02:23.54 | blast007 | BZWTools is meant to be used to create the map afaik |
| 02:24.15 | blast007 | so at this point, you might as well just export to a waveform OBJ file, and then use modeltool to convert it to bzw |
| 02:24.25 | nn-main | i thought it was an export file |
| 02:24.35 | blast007 | BZWTools is not just an exporter |
| 02:24.41 | nn-main | ? |
| 02:24.53 | nn-main | you meen all that work is for nothing ! |
| 02:24.53 | blast007 | it gives you access to the bzflag objects |
| 02:24.57 | blast007 | no |
| 02:25.02 | blast007 | 20:21:10 <+blast007> so at this point, you might as well just export to a waveform OBJ file, and then use modeltool to convert it to bzw |
| 02:25.45 | nn-main | ? ok im going to test that |
| 02:26.17 | nn-main | it is going to be an asuom map when im done im just at a starting point |
| 02:26.29 | nn-main | i want to test the exprort though |
| 02:27.06 | blast007 | you can try just creating the directory manually |
| 02:27.18 | AHA | nn-main: were you born in the US? |
| 02:27.28 | blast007 | but I was under the impression that blender creates that when you run it |
| 02:27.45 | blast007 | you sure you were running blender as root? |
| 02:28.05 | nn-main | AHA, yes; |
| 02:28.15 | nn-main | yes lol :) |
| 02:28.20 | AHA | and how old are you? (just out of curiousity) |
| 02:28.48 | nn-main | is there a direct down load of the model tool zip |
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| 02:28.57 | nn-main | or a direct svn |
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| 02:39.41 | Winny | nn-main: perhaps it would be best to go over some basic blender tutorials before starting BZFlag stuff |
| 02:40.56 | nn-main | Winny, i did |
| 02:41.06 | Winny | which ones |
| 02:41.14 | Winny | blender isn't exactly something you learn in a few days |
| 02:41.18 | nn-main | the blender book on wiki |
| 02:41.31 | Winny | there are 100's of those |
| 02:41.32 | Winny | which one |
| 02:41.37 | nn-main | lol i just needed a burush up :) |
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| 02:42.25 | Winny | heh |
| 02:42.30 | Winny | heya SportChick |
| 02:43.15 | nn-main | Winny, take a look for your self - semi completed |
| 02:49.22 | nn-main | in view #1 the computer under the desk to the right is the head server |
| 02:49.45 | AHA | nn-main: screenie? |
| 02:50.16 | nn-main | nope :( but i can give you the actual file :) |
| 02:51.05 | nn-main | aha its a blender file |
| 02:51.18 | AHA | its not that hard to screenie it, then put it on imageshack.us |
| 02:53.29 | nn-main | ah but the camera is mesed up and the computer i use dosent have a frame buffer and the onily scereen shot program messes up the background :( |
| 02:57.49 | AHA | nn-main: just use the key "PrtSc" |
| 02:58.04 | AHA | which copies the current screen |
| 02:58.25 | AHA | then open Paint, paste it in, save it, upload to imageshack.us |
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| 03:06.23 | Winny | 10 BED |
| 03:06.29 | Winny | whodaman-: GOTO 10 |
| 03:06.36 | AHA | ...? |
| 03:07.03 | Winny | AHA: have you never had a basic lesson in VB's GOTO function? |
| 03:13.08 | AHA | not really |
| 03:13.58 | AHA | but i'm pretty sure i know what it does |
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| 04:11.37 | Winny | admins, delete http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=118950#118950 |
| 04:12.21 | Winny | not to mention his avatar |
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| 05:13.19 | blast007 | nn-main: modeltool depends on some of the parts of bzflag iirc |
| 05:13.36 | blast007 | so you have to build bzfs first, and then modeltool |
| 05:13.54 | blast007 | but if you're running a server, I'll assume you've built bzfs already |
| 05:14.06 | blast007 | so you can just go into tools/modeltool/ and run 'make' |
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| 10:38.13 | brlcad | Thumper_: not that comes to mind |
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| 14:25.37 | lepoulpe303 | [dmp]: remember my problems with MsgScoreChanged ? |
| 14:27.10 | lepoulpe303 | now it's fixed , but i'm attacking MsgTeamUpdate, and it seems twice as difficult :) |
| 14:34.35 | [dmp] | lepoulpe303: The joy of coding :) |
| 14:47.32 | lepoulpe303 | [dmp] : sometimes it looks rather like a brain masochism process than joy :D |
| 14:50.19 | [dmp] | lepoulpe303: yeah. But you know what? I actually miss it. It have been ages since I've coded anything for real. But i hope to change that in the new year :) |
| 14:52.32 | lepoulpe303 | then i must miss it to, for starting such a project |
| 14:53.01 | lepoulpe303 | /to/too |
| 14:54.26 | [dmp] | :) |
| 15:05.16 | lepoulpe303 | [dmp]: now i should discuss with an admin to know what features could be interesting to implement |
| 15:05.28 | lepoulpe303 | as i virtually have a "bzadmin over irc" |
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| 20:29.26 | JeffM2501 | so looks like carnage wants to get back to playin |
| 20:31.04 | JeffM2501 | yeah I'm finding it hard to come up with any reasons to do anything for him to help him get his name back. |
| 20:31.58 | Winny | as far as I'm concerned, if you cheat, why should we even let you back in? |
| 20:32.04 | Winny | It's not like he was forced to do it |
| 20:32.34 | JeffM2501 | well he is back on another name |
| 20:32.44 | JeffM2501 | if he uses that and dosn't cause any stir, I could care less. |
| 20:32.47 | Winny | then I fail to see what his problem is |
| 20:32.52 | brlcad | wow, carny is back |
| 20:32.57 | JeffM2501 | he wants his name back |
| 20:33.06 | JeffM2501 | so it seems |
| 20:33.06 | brlcad | someone has it? |
| 20:33.12 | JeffM2501 | its locked out |
| 20:33.14 | JeffM2501 | disabled |
| 20:33.17 | brlcad | why? |
| 20:33.26 | JeffM2501 | well when we banned the hell out of him... |
| 20:33.38 | brlcad | ah, that far back eh |
| 20:33.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:33.44 | brlcad | wasn't that like two years ago now.. |
| 20:33.46 | Winny | '"Carnage" for proved cheating on ducati league (thintank) -- Permanent' |
| 20:33.48 | JeffM2501 | it was |
| 20:34.08 | JeffM2501 | I have no problem with him playing under another account |
| 20:34.30 | JeffM2501 | I get a little miffed when the first message I get form him just is a complaint that he can't reactivate his old account |
| 20:34.38 | JeffM2501 | no "hey I'm back and I'm sorry," etc.. |
| 20:34.47 | Winny | surprise |
| 20:34.50 | brlcad | I see it a bit like the master ban, so long as they're not *actively* causing problems, but then it's a bit meh too (to me) |
| 20:34.51 | JeffM2501 | so I feel less inclined to assis him |
| 20:34.55 | JeffM2501 | but we'll see him |
| 20:34.57 | Winny | so in otherwords, he doesn't feel an remorse |
| 20:35.17 | whodaman- | any* |
| 20:35.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah if he wants to play and be good ( aka, I don't hear about it, ) then I don't care |
| 20:35.39 | brlcad | yeah, have him play as someone else for a couple months -- if that works out, then maybe re-enable carnage |
| 20:35.52 | brlcad | shouldn't matter frankly |
| 20:35.53 | JeffM2501 | as for board admin stuff, I'm more inclined to help people out with requests when they are open and honest. |
| 20:36.03 | JeffM2501 | actualy I can't enable his account no mater what |
| 20:36.06 | JeffM2501 | he screwed himself |
| 20:36.25 | JeffM2501 | to prevent him from reactivating it, I changed the e-mail to be Disabled_HIS@EMAIL |
| 20:36.34 | JeffM2501 | so he reged again with is email |
| 20:36.50 | JeffM2501 | I can't change his old account back cus it would have the same name as his current account. |
| 20:37.08 | JeffM2501 | guess I coudl rename his old one, then he could rename his current |
| 20:37.18 | JeffM2501 | but I'd like him to at least ask nicely |
| 20:37.30 | JeffM2501 | specialy after all the crap he pulled |
| 20:37.34 | brlcad | yeah |
| 20:37.38 | whodaman- | were you talking about a list for all the global mods on the forums? |
| 20:37.39 | brlcad | sounds reasonable |
| 20:37.40 | JeffM2501 | it was a lot more then just cheating |
| 20:37.43 | brlcad | has to show some good faith |
| 20:37.53 | JeffM2501 | lots of mean things about many people |
| 20:37.54 | brlcad | that he's not just screwing with you |
| 20:38.00 | JeffM2501 | me specificly |
| 20:38.23 | brlcad | so maybe you should pass the buck to another board admin not involved ;) |
| 20:38.28 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 20:38.41 | JeffM2501 | his history is so long, that I think only the 2 of us should handle it |
| 20:38.47 | JeffM2501 | he's done this on/off thing before |
| 20:39.03 | JeffM2501 | he has to learn to sleep in the bed he made |
| 20:39.32 | donny_baker | HaRmLeSs is back too... but not causing any issues yet |
| 20:39.45 | JeffM2501 | under the same name? |
| 20:40.00 | donny_baker | no |
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| 20:40.02 | Winny | HaRmFulL this time ;P |
| 20:40.12 | JeffM2501 | well if he's good then who cares |
| 20:40.16 | donny_baker | no not that either :P |
| 20:40.17 | L4m3r | no, that was someone else trying to make fun of him |
| 20:40.22 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 20:40.31 | JeffM2501 | well I say if your dumb enough to burn your name, you loose it |
| 20:40.34 | JeffM2501 | end of story |
| 20:40.41 | JeffM2501 | it's just a name |
| 20:40.45 | donny_baker | yeah, if he is good I have no issues... just putting it out there |
| 20:41.15 | L4m3r | depends on what you mean by "being good" |
| 20:41.29 | whodaman- | not causing any issues? |
| 20:41.34 | L4m3r | IMO, Harmless is a toxic personality |
| 20:41.59 | L4m3r | he doesn't often step over the line but he does piss people off whenever possible |
| 20:43.31 | L4m3r | I guess that's more up to server ops to deal with, though |
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| 20:50.35 | L4m3r | poor guy |
| 20:50.55 | L4m3r | using Kopete for IRC is like trying to shave with a cheesegrater |
| 20:51.10 | whodaman- | lol |
| 20:51.46 | L4m3r | anyway, for someone like Carnage, I suppose we're screwed either way |
| 20:52.10 | L4m3r | if their intention is to cause trouble, they will, regardless of whether they get their account back |
| 20:52.31 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 20:52.45 | JeffM2501 | that's why I'm not inclinded to help him, nor hinder him |
| 20:52.48 | JeffM2501 | and just see where he goes. |
| 20:54.17 | JeffM2501 | I added a post about him to the admin playground for ref |
| 20:54.23 | L4m3r | mmk |
| 20:54.33 | JeffM2501 | some newer admins may not know ;) |
| 20:55.06 | JeffM2501 | I'm somewhat inclined to just rename the carnage account, but add Carnage to the disallowed names |
| 20:55.14 | JeffM2501 | if he builds trust back up |
| 20:55.29 | JeffM2501 | he burned that name, and it's gone |
| 20:55.43 | JeffM2501 | if he just wants to play he should be fine on any other name |
| 20:55.52 | JeffM2501 | if he has other goals he'll want that name |
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| 20:59.15 | L4m3r | JeffM: do we have a working demo for phpBB3? |
| 21:01.22 | JeffM | blast has one setup |
| 21:02.53 | JeffM | it's prety freaking slick |
| 21:05.41 | Winny | but romfis doesn't want phpBB3! |
| 21:05.45 | Winny | ;) |
| 21:06.17 | whodaman- | hehe |
| 21:06.22 | AAA_Awright | :D |
| 21:06.24 | JeffM | so |
| 21:06.33 | Winny | JeffM: I am being sarcastic |
| 21:06.37 | JeffM | as always we have been open to other sugestions |
| 21:07.06 | JeffM | if phpbb has good features we want, no more downsides, an a clean upgrade path, I don't see why we should not upgrade. |
| 21:07.42 | JeffM | the drafts feature is prety nice |
| 21:08.25 | JeffM | as well as friends and foes |
| 21:09.20 | L4m3r | and LDAP... |
| 21:09.32 | JeffM | ldap support is nice for the future |
| 21:09.40 | JeffM | but I'd not do the ldap swap at the same time |
| 21:09.44 | L4m3r | for all its issues I'd say phpBB3 is the best free option |
| 21:09.52 | L4m3r | SMF scares the crap out of me |
| 21:10.07 | Winny | Simple Machines Forum? |
| 21:10.16 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 21:11.15 | whodaman- | Winny, that's what Constitution uses, no? |
| 21:11.23 | Winny | yeah |
| 21:11.33 | whodaman- | Well, works quite nicely. |
| 21:11.44 | Winny | I quote "oh god... simple machines sucks" ( or something like that) |
| 21:12.08 | JeffM | the current plan is to get a copy of the current boards, do a test upgrade and see where we stand |
| 21:12.19 | JeffM | probably also do a test mod of the list to go with it |
| 21:12.34 | JeffM | then we'll have a full setup to test |
| 21:13.18 | whodaman- | can the theme remain the same? |
| 21:13.25 | JeffM | no |
| 21:13.29 | L4m3r | SMF just has a really lame admin setup |
| 21:13.38 | JeffM | but we'll get a bzflag mod to a theme setup |
| 21:13.49 | L4m3r | raw PHP editing... ick. you have to disable it to secure the server :P |
| 21:13.54 | Winny | JeffM: need any help with that? :) |
| 21:14.05 | JeffM | Winny, someone will have to make one |
| 21:14.16 | JeffM | I'd like one that looked like the current phpbb mainpage |
| 21:14.18 | whodaman- | who made the last one? |
| 21:14.26 | JeffM | just with bzflag images at the top |
| 21:14.30 | Winny | whodaman-: it was a mod |
| 21:14.32 | JeffM | maybe in a random image rotation |
| 21:14.39 | Winny | as in, a mod of an existing phpBB theme |
| 21:14.41 | JeffM | whodaman-, I modfied it from an existing skin |
| 21:14.59 | whodaman- | that'd be cool JeffM, with rotating pictures |
| 21:15.15 | Winny | whodaman-: it used to be icky green |
| 21:15.25 | whodaman- | I vaguely remember that |
| 21:15.32 | whodaman- | 2005? |
| 21:15.57 | Winny | you can see some of it here |
| 21:15.59 | Winny | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=6516 |
| 21:16.06 | Winny | never bothered to update those images |
| 21:17.14 | whodaman- | Ah right. |
| 21:17.21 | whodaman- | Cruel.Owner |
| 21:17.25 | whodaman- | that's very nice |
| 21:17.32 | Winny | lol |
| 21:17.39 | JeffM | Winny, like this |
| 21:17.40 | JeffM | http://www.phpbb.com/ |
| 21:17.51 | JeffM | with the gray border, etc.. |
| 21:18.02 | Winny | whodaman-: look at the date on that thread... almost two years old |
| 21:18.07 | whodaman- | Yep |
| 21:18.20 | Winny | JeffM: variable or fixed-width? |
| 21:18.28 | JeffM | Winny, I'd like to see both |
| 21:18.36 | JeffM | but I could be convinced for fixed |
| 21:18.59 | JeffM | for the fourm it could work |
| 21:19.01 | Winny | you can do much better designs in fixed, IMO |
| 21:19.22 | JeffM | I'd say a more true statement is "it's much easier to do good designs in fixed" |
| 21:19.48 | F687s | but fixed is...well...fixed |
| 21:19.57 | JeffM | for some data layouts a variable width page makes a lot more sense, and you can make a much better design using variable, but it takes more work |
| 21:20.16 | JeffM | I like the overall look of the phpbb page |
| 21:20.23 | Winny | yeah |
| 21:20.26 | Winny | nice and clean |
| 21:20.32 | JeffM | http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewforum.php?f=46 |
| 21:20.36 | JeffM | and that's how it looks with forums |
| 21:20.41 | JeffM | it looks prety darned good |
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| 21:21.06 | JeffM | I like having the top bar with other site links, etc.. |
| 21:21.10 | Winny | indeed |
| 21:21.17 | JeffM | I like the rounded edges |
| 21:21.20 | Winny | I always hated having a paragraph stretch to be two lines long |
| 21:21.30 | JeffM | depends on the data ;) |
| 21:21.58 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.01 | JeffM | otehrs don't |
| 21:22.33 | blast007 | it's harder to do a header image with a variable width |
| 21:22.40 | blast007 | but certainly not impossible |
| 21:22.41 | JeffM | yes it is |
| 21:22.53 | JeffM | thats why I said the betters statement was about ease :) |
| 21:22.58 | JeffM | not about betterness |
| 21:22.59 | F687s | it depends on how strict you want the fixed-width to be |
| 21:23.12 | F687s | "Resize your browser to 1024x768 or ELSE!" |
| 21:23.30 | Winny | F687s: you do realize whitespace can be a good thing some times? |
| 21:23.39 | JeffM | the phpbb main page is a clean enouh desing for a fixed content section |
| 21:23.50 | F687s | Winny: yes, if you want Web 2.0 |
| 21:23.58 | Winny | what is "web 2.0" |
| 21:24.03 | JeffM | the design they have could be made to scale, but if it dosn't I don't think tha'td be a deal breaker |
| 21:24.06 | Winny | I wasn't aware we switched internets |
| 21:24.16 | Constitution | Winny: my frustration with SMF was due to the lack of support for group moderators. |
| 21:24.38 | Constitution | That was really the only trouble I've encountered so far. |
| 21:24.40 | L4m3r | I don't think vBulletin supports that either |
| 21:24.53 | JeffM | well we need to get away from using groups |
| 21:25.01 | Constitution | and FWIW, I'm working on the group manager again |
| 21:25.04 | JeffM | and we don't realy do sub group moderation |
| 21:25.11 | JeffM | so that's not a big thing for us |
| 21:25.21 | JeffM | admins moderate, that's it |
| 21:27.17 | JeffM | if a webie realy wants to do something, the group admin system woudl be a BIG thing, hint hint :) |
| 21:27.29 | JeffM | and it dosnt' even have to use phpbb groups, just has to import them once |
| 21:27.43 | Constitution | JeffM: I just said I'm working on it again :) |
| 21:27.52 | JeffM | ah you mean that group system |
| 21:28.09 | JeffM | I thought you meant a mod for SMF |
| 21:28.13 | Constitution | oh |
| 21:28.30 | JeffM | since you just said about group moderators, etc.. |
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| 21:29.03 | Constitution | unrelated... we're using SMF for our Divibox forum |
| 21:57.11 | Constitution | on that note, a dump of the phpbb users table would really help me... would that be acceptable? |
| 21:57.20 | Constitution | blast007/brlcad? |
| 21:58.52 | JeffM | just don't sell it or use it for evil |
| 21:59.11 | JeffM | tho your management system should be able to pull it's users out of phpbb |
| 21:59.17 | JeffM | and not need it's own |
| 21:59.36 | JeffM | it can use the BZID for cross refrencing |
| 22:01.41 | Constitution | JeffM: yes, it will work with the phpBB users table, or whatever we end up using as far as LDAP or whatever |
| 22:02.49 | Constitution | at least, as far as tracking members... I'm thinking it also might as well use it for auth, rather than weblogin, since it pretty much has to be on the same machine anyway |
| 22:03.09 | JeffM | yeah since it'll run on the same machine, it can do direct auth |
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| 22:04.21 | Constitution | the auth will be modular, so we can change it if/when we change the global login system |
| 22:04.32 | JeffM | coo |
| 22:04.33 | brlcad | Constitution: hm? |
| 22:05.10 | Constitution | brlcad: I'd like to make a dump of the bzbb users table for my work on the global group manager... was asking if that was acceptable |
| 22:05.36 | JeffM | I'd just give him access to the last backup |
| 22:05.37 | brlcad | hmm |
| 22:06.02 | JeffM | Constitution, we don't realy have it stored as just the users, just backups of the entire database |
| 22:06.10 | JeffM | IIRC |
| 22:06.31 | Constitution | JeffM: I have a shell on the list server... I could fetch it myself, afaik |
| 22:06.32 | brlcad | the useers can be dumped out easily enough, they're just in a table |
| 22:06.44 | brlcad | but I'd presume you need more than just a list of users |
| 22:07.12 | Constitution | eventually the groups and group memberships too (for conversion to the new system)... but I wouldn't need that right away |
| 22:08.04 | brlcad | yeah, so long as it's not for an evil purpose and not to be republished anywhere, I don't see a problem .. part of development |
| 22:08.06 | JeffM | hence why I say just give him access to the backup, and he can yank what he needs :) |
| 22:08.15 | brlcad | he has access already |
| 22:08.20 | JeffM | then thar ya go |
| 22:08.21 | brlcad | just good to ask first :) |
| 22:08.30 | Constitution | my thoughts exactly :) |
| 22:08.44 | brlcad | have at it then |
| 22:08.59 | Constitution | ok, thanks |
| 22:12.01 | JeffM | ohy... why do the kiddies think that I/we care about inter kiddy politics. |
| 22:12.16 | Winny | because it's hawt! |
| 22:12.18 | Winny | not. |
| 22:12.34 | JeffM | if you don't like what somone is doing on your server, BAN THEM |
| 22:12.44 | whodaman- | heh |
| 22:12.56 | JeffM | who cares what for, it's your freaking server |
| 22:14.17 | brlcad | bom chika wah wah, freaky freaking server |
| 22:14.36 | JeffM | and calling your friends to PM me about it dosn't help your case, specialy when one of them's pride and joy website is about ZELDA FAN FICTION |
| 22:15.55 | JeffM | nothing says "i'm a well adjusted adult" like zelda fan fiction |
| 22:16.31 | Winny | JeffM: oh dear, who would that be? |
| 22:16.32 | JeffM | and it's all an 11 year olds falut :( |
| 22:17.23 | JeffM | that shadow guy and some sloan dude asked to get "the lone tanker" masterbaned for some petty silly reason |
| 22:17.30 | JeffM | I said no |
| 22:17.53 | Winny | oh god, the lone tanker? |
| 22:18.03 | JeffM | even tho he'd done a perfectly fine job of geting his global account removed for rule violations on his own cus he can't post with out being an angry monkey |
| 22:18.06 | Winny | he used to leave daily report messages on my server asking to be an "amdin" |
| 22:18.26 | JeffM | now somone is defending him even tho I've said we an't doing squat about it. |
| 22:18.35 | blast007 | I found a way to not have to deal with stupid people on my servers: I stopped running servers |
| 22:18.42 | JeffM | indeed |
| 22:19.10 | Winny | but think of the childr... err, hmm. |
| 22:19.18 | blast007 | I just don't have time to administer them properly |
| 22:20.43 | JeffM | think of the children has to be the most overused "escuse" for bad parenting in the history of it |
| 22:21.01 | F687s | I just set servers up and watch the anarchy begin. |
| 22:21.49 | JeffM | wow, I ain't good at no english but even I think it's bad to mix tense in a sentance. |
| 22:22.45 | F687s | have you gone blind yet? |
| 22:22.46 | JeffM | since I 'tain't got nothing ainst the fiction |
| 22:22.56 | JeffM | it's just meh |
| 22:23.27 | JeffM | I'd like to say my stuff is better, but I have nothing to compare it to other the my own opinion |
| 22:23.41 | JeffM | by stuff I mean writings, not fan fic :) |
| 22:24.07 | F687s | well, you never know what the quality of the writing can be at that age (I should know ;-) |
| 22:24.22 | JeffM | yeah it does read as very young |
| 22:24.37 | JeffM | so not bad that he's trying to be createve and do something with it |
| 22:24.52 | JeffM | tho I thing chapters should generaly be longer then 30 lines. |
| 22:25.17 | F687s | oh, so it's actually _structured_... |
| 22:25.39 | JeffM | it's on a site that breaks it up in chapers |
| 22:25.45 | JeffM | probalby just the sections he wrote at a time. |
| 22:26.02 | F687s | fanfiction.net? |
| 22:26.06 | JeffM | ya |
| 22:32.17 | AHA | F687s: i was looking back at my my fist 100 or so posts... and damn was i a huge noob |
| 22:32.25 | AHA | almost nn-like |
| 22:38.30 | Winny | ick |
| 22:38.38 | Winny | photoshop is tking 500mb of memory |
| 22:38.49 | Thumper_ | Winny: ban it for tking |
| 22:38.53 | Winny | err, taking |
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| 22:50.47 | JeffM | Winny, and...? |
| 23:00.08 | brlcad | it's a setting, you can (and should if you have it) make it use a heck of a lot more than that |
| 23:05.11 | Winny | JeffM: just seemed a wee bit large for a 2048x2048 texture |
| 23:07.02 | brlcad | it does a lot of preallocation and variable sized-tile management so that it runs fluidly without pauses later on |
| 23:08.43 | brlcad | one of it's many advanced features that make gimp suck in comparison at times when it comes to heavy lifting |
| 23:10.26 | Winny | JeffM: what is the texture size limit on most GFX cards now? |
| 23:10.41 | Winny | I'm trying to decide if I should bother with anything higher then 1024x1024 in my map |
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| 23:21.47 | Winny | actually, perhaps a better question is, what is BZFlag's default max texture size |
| 23:21.56 | Winny | I thought it was 512, but I might be mistaken |
| 23:22.32 | L4m3r | there probably isn't one |
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| 23:23.09 | JeffM | Winny, 512 is safe bet |
| 23:24.05 | Winny | hmm |
| 23:24.23 | Winny | 512 looks way too pixely on UVMaps |
| 23:24.32 | Winny | would 1024 be pushing it too much? |
| 23:25.06 | a_meteorite | Winny: how much was it in that screenshot? |
| 23:25.18 | Winny | 1024 |
| 23:25.32 | a_meteorite | it looked good |
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| 23:36.50 | JeffM | 1024 should work on geforece 2 or later cards |
| 23:39.22 | Winny | what cards will work with 2048? |
| 23:43.08 | JeffM | most moderns |
| 23:43.12 | JeffM | with decent drivers |
| 23:43.39 | Winny | alright |
| 23:43.41 | Winny | thanks |
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