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| 00:50.28 | Winny | JeffM, what about adding some sort of "minQualityTexture" option for 3.0 |
| 00:50.46 | Winny | so clients with older GFX cards (or who have chosen it), don't download higher rez textures |
| 00:51.03 | JeffM | huh? |
| 00:51.16 | JeffM | what do you mean by "download" |
| 00:51.22 | JeffM | for the map? |
| 00:51.59 | Winny | as in, in a material, have different etxtures levels, dependong on the user's choice |
| 00:52.18 | JeffM | so you mean send to the card? |
| 00:54.17 | Winny | sort of... let me try to explain it better |
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| 00:54.43 | Winny | as in, BZFlag detects the user's vieo card capabilites, to some point |
| 00:54.50 | JeffM | ok |
| 00:55.08 | spldart | Does this depend on the server operator offering different resolutions for texture? |
| 00:55.17 | Winny | and then, let's say it sets "effectsQuality=3" for a perfectly capable card, 2 for ok, 1 for not very good |
| 00:55.57 | Winny | when you connect to the server, and download the map, your client picks either "minQualityTexture", "normQualityTexture", etc, from the materials |
| 00:56.15 | JeffM | you just want to save download time |
| 00:56.43 | Winny | yeah, and it would also allow for higher quality textures on those machines that could do it |
| 00:57.03 | Winny | probably redundant if BZ can scale textures according to the card |
| 00:58.37 | JeffM | donload is nothing |
| 00:58.42 | JeffM | we can just have the client scale |
| 00:59.54 | JeffM | deteching how "good" a card is, is not easy |
| 01:00.05 | JeffM | you can see how much video memory it has RIGHT NOw |
| 01:00.09 | JeffM | and time a render |
| 01:00.10 | JeffM | that's about it |
| 01:00.20 | Winny | isn't there a GL call for that? |
| 01:00.22 | JeffM | yeah I know you are |
| 01:00.28 | JeffM | yeah and we call it |
| 01:00.50 | JeffM | but the problem is we can't rescale larger image DOWN to that size |
| 01:00.58 | JeffM | image scaling is not hard |
| 01:01.24 | JeffM | it woudl be stupid to force the map developer and host to go and host up multiple sizes of a file |
| 01:01.32 | JeffM | when our app can jsut do that work automaticly. |
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| 01:03.54 | a_meteorite | JeffM: does bzflag currently check a video card's max and scale it down if it needs to? |
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| 01:12.41 | JeffM | a_meteorite, no |
| 01:12.48 | JeffM | that' what I'm saying, we DO NOT SCALE |
| 01:12.54 | a_meteorite | oh |
| 01:12.56 | JeffM | we need to |
| 01:13.05 | JeffM | once we do that then the input textures can be huge and we'd scale down |
| 01:13.15 | a_meteorite | it'd be very useful |
| 01:13.16 | JeffM | indeed |
| 01:14.37 | JeffM | right now we do clamping |
| 01:15.19 | a_meteorite | what does that mean in a 3d perspective? |
| 01:15.26 | JeffM | textures are 2d |
| 01:15.28 | JeffM | not 3d |
| 01:15.33 | a_meteorite | well, what does that mean then? |
| 01:15.50 | JeffM | just cut it off |
| 01:15.57 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 01:17.03 | JeffM | looks like trunk tries to do scaling using gluScaleImage |
| 01:19.51 | JeffM | looks like trunk has it too, but it may not be setup to scale to the correct forced limit |
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| 02:23.37 | Flash | I've noticed an annoying "feature" under Mac OS 10.5 |
| 02:23.55 | AAA_awright | Hm? |
| 02:24.04 | Flash | sometimes the game will lock up when you move somewhere you "can't" |
| 02:24.18 | Djpenguin | What version? |
| 02:24.23 | Flash | like if you get stuck on a pyramid and press the arrow |
| 02:24.29 | Flash | 2.0.10 |
| 02:25.55 | Flash | I think I was probably the first one to compile for 10.5, because I needed help figuring out how to coerce autoconfig to work for Leopard |
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| 03:29.58 | Winny | ugh |
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| 03:33.18 | Winny | ugh.. wth |
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| 03:34.17 | Winny | .... |
| 03:34.26 | whodaman- | ? |
| 03:34.27 | Winny | why the heck won't my hostmask work?! |
| 03:34.58 | whodaman- | Is that your secondary nick? |
| 03:35.07 | Winny | my iPod |
| 03:35.53 | whodaman- | make sure it's linked properly |
| 03:36.13 | Winny | it was working before |
| 03:36.20 | Winny | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:38.14 | whodaman- | there |
| 03:38.18 | Winny | waho |
| 03:38.45 | Winny | one more time.. |
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| 03:43.04 | Quol | anyone here try to compile the One vs One plugin on the 2.0.11 svn? I assume that it would also be broken for 2.0.10 release - it worked on 2.0.9 though?? |
| 03:43.22 | Quol | getting an error about invalid conversion from 'int' to 'bz_eTeamType' |
| 03:55.45 | Quol | never mind - I think I fixed it...looked at the new bzfsAPI.h and found bz_eTeamType |
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| 04:38.36 | Macrosoft | bbl |
| 04:50.22 | Flash | what does it take to upload a pre-built binary to sourceforge? |
| 04:50.41 | Flash | in other words, why is there only a win32 2.0.10 binary? |
| 04:56.02 | DTRemenak | a developer needs to do it. we generally don't offer linux binaries anymore; we depend on too many system libraries to build sufficiently generic ones, so we rely on the distributions' own repositories for that. |
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| 04:59.00 | L4m3r | iirc, Tim does the debian packages |
| 04:59.12 | L4m3r | and possibly the ones for Ubuntu as well |
| 04:59.34 | L4m3r | other distros... no idea |
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| 05:20.03 | QuantumTim | hmm, I seem to have found a bug in the file cache system |
| 05:20.12 | JeffM | oh noes |
| 05:20.19 | JeffM | where is it? |
| 05:20.23 | QuantumTim | I cancelled a join before it had downloaded all the textures etc. |
| 05:20.31 | QuantumTim | and then when I tried to join again |
| 05:20.38 | QuantumTim | it complained about a hash error |
| 05:20.39 | JeffM | and it pooched your cache file? |
| 05:20.47 | QuantumTim | it *said* it had deleted the file |
| 05:20.53 | QuantumTim | but it kept failinf |
| 05:20.56 | QuantumTim | *failinf |
| 05:20.58 | QuantumTim | *failing |
| 05:20.59 | QuantumTim | grr |
| 05:21.03 | QuantumTim | too late at night to type |
| 05:21.05 | JeffM | yeah you had an entry but didn't have a file |
| 05:21.09 | JeffM | it ain't the greatest code |
| 05:21.21 | QuantumTim | anyway, restarted it, first time it failed, but then worked the second :s |
| 05:21.29 | JeffM | DTRemenak: I made the dinput change |
| 05:21.51 | QuantumTim | right, bed time I think :s |
| 05:21.56 | JeffM | QuantumTim: yeah it'd be nice if that system was async so it could try again |
| 05:25.57 | JeffM | Winny: nice lights, you should see if mutitexture works and add fake lightmaps :) |
| 05:27.20 | The_Vaxorcist | Speaking of bugs, there's one in the motd code in current svn |
| 05:27.31 | JeffM | that does? |
| 05:27.51 | The_Vaxorcist | overwrites swaths of the stack |
| 05:28.10 | JeffM | how recent is your code? |
| 05:28.17 | The_Vaxorcist | brand new |
| 05:28.22 | JeffM | today? |
| 05:28.28 | The_Vaxorcist | yep |
| 05:28.40 | JeffM | let DTRemenak know |
| 05:28.45 | JeffM | he's been working in that area |
| 05:29.03 | The_Vaxorcist | it's using the bzflagf regex_t struct but my system functions |
| 05:29.12 | The_Vaxorcist | eg regcomp |
| 05:29.17 | JeffM | can you fix it? |
| 05:29.28 | The_Vaxorcist | I'm looking into it |
| 05:30.05 | JeffM | sounds more like a conifgure thing, where it went and used our regex header with your calls, when it shoudl have used your header too |
| 05:30.32 | The_Vaxorcist | yeah |
| 05:31.07 | The_Vaxorcist | doesn't seem to link to bzflag regexp, but I don't know the build system at all |
| 05:36.05 | The_Vaxorcist | maybe it needs a reconfigure :) |
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| 06:09.37 | a_temp_dist | fyi the cheater that causes others to TK is going around now - named " :() OIIIIIII3 " |
| 06:09.46 | a_temp_dist | just banned at mofo and lasermania |
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| 06:12.55 | DTRemenak | it's dead, Jim! |
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| 06:27.43 | Winny | JeffM, hmm? |
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| 06:50.22 | polabus | Hello |
| 06:50.29 | Constitution | hi |
| 06:50.30 | blast007 | hi |
| 06:50.56 | polabus | Can't see list server...no changes to router...all other Internet services are OK!!! |
| 06:51.07 | polabus | What could cuase this? |
| 06:51.12 | Constitution | list server is slow presently |
| 06:51.35 | polabus | You mean like...slow enough to not show up forever? |
| 06:51.49 | Constitution | no, slow due to a temporary additional load |
| 06:51.54 | polabus | Hmmmm |
| 06:52.00 | blast007 | working okay for me |
| 06:52.01 | polabus | Just wait???? |
| 06:52.11 | blast007 | polabus: try this link in your browser: http://my.bzflag.org/db/?action=LIST |
| 06:52.12 | Constitution | wait or retry |
| 06:52.39 | polabus | ERROR IS: Connection attempt rejected. See #bzflag on irc.freenode.net |
| 06:52.46 | polabus | ???? |
| 06:52.57 | Winny | as we said |
| 06:53.01 | Winny | it's slow right now |
| 06:53.12 | Constitution | Winny: that doesn't sound like slow, actually |
| 06:53.29 | polabus | Your definition of slow is my definition of STOP. |
| 06:53.48 | polabus | :( |
| 06:54.04 | Constitution | it was indeed slow a few minutes ago, but that is likely unrelated to this |
| 06:54.34 | polabus | Hmmmm...rare problem...using Fedora 8 and BZ 2.0.10... |
| 06:54.42 | Winny | cya'll tommorow |
| 06:54.43 | blast007 | hmm, that's nothing to do with the list server itself, afaik |
| 06:55.23 | polabus | It was working earlier on both Windows BZ client and Linux client both behind same router....no router changes...everything else is fine... |
| 06:55.36 | blast007 | ah, okay, found why |
| 06:55.44 | polabus | yes? |
| 06:56.46 | blast007 | you were banned for running a cheat server |
| 06:56.58 | Winny | ah ha! |
| 06:56.58 | polabus | Ha????? |
| 06:57.03 | blast007 | hi laserball2 |
| 06:57.31 | polabus | Ahhhh....hmmmm....that could have been my darling 8 year old son .... |
| 06:57.37 | Winny | ...right |
| 06:57.39 | blast007 | sure, sure |
| 06:57.40 | a_meteorite | suuuure |
| 06:57.53 | Winny | and Im hugh hefner |
| 06:57.55 | polabus | Really....not kidding....I am his dad..... |
| 06:58.08 | Winny | ..you're whose dad? |
| 06:58.16 | a_meteorite | all 8 year old kids I know can barely turn on a computer, let alone run a cheat server |
| 06:58.24 | polabus | I am actually an old UNIX guy....son is laserball2 |
| 06:58.33 | a_meteorite | I'm going to be mickey mouse when I grow up, Winny! |
| 06:58.36 | Winny | heh... |
| 06:58.48 | polabus | I sometimes play as zonkrat...... |
| 06:59.12 | polabus | How can I get him de-listed???? I will clean him up.... |
| 06:59.32 | blast007 | that's what the ban is for. delisting. |
| 06:59.36 | Winny | slap him around a bit. |
| 06:59.54 | polabus | He actually compiled the stuff his self.....not kidding.... |
| 07:00.14 | Winny | possibly make him write apologizes to everyone's server he cheated on.. but I still call bullcrap |
| 07:00.43 | polabus | He watches over my shoulder when I'm building or coding.... |
| 07:01.12 | Winny | somehow I doubt that doing that made him gain uberleet h@ck0rz zkillz! |
| 07:01.14 | polabus | I promise he won't do it again....he is hurting for sure.... |
| 07:01.22 | a_meteorite | hurting? sounds abusive |
| 07:01.49 | polabus | Hmmmm...I don't even know what you're refering to as I am not a BZ expert... |
| 07:02.16 | a_meteorite | either english is not your native language or you are trying very hard to get rid of your unique way of speaking |
| 07:02.40 | polabus | Can someone be kind enough to reveal how he can get de-listed.... |
| 07:02.50 | blast007 | de-listed? |
| 07:02.55 | blast007 | get what de-listed? |
| 07:03.00 | blast007 | the server? |
| 07:03.14 | Think_Differentl | Oooo! Compiling something himself? Wooooa! That must be really hard. |
| 07:03.14 | polabus | You said he was blocked ....correct? |
| 07:03.16 | a_meteorite | yeah, keeping it banned keeps him delisted |
| 07:03.27 | blast007 | yeah, I blocked him to delist the server |
| 07:03.41 | a_meteorite | there is no way to distinguish him from you, thus, we must get rid of the IP |
| 07:04.03 | polabus | Hmmm.....do you "get rid" of the IP forever? |
| 07:04.18 | polabus | Thats a bit harsh....don't ya think? |
| 07:04.19 | blast007 | nah |
| 07:04.21 | a_meteorite | the code is open source, look for yourself |
| 07:04.24 | blast007 | not forever |
| 07:04.28 | blast007 | just long enough |
| 07:04.33 | polabus | greylisted???? |
| 07:04.46 | polabus | how long? (roughly) |
| 07:04.59 | a_meteorite | as long as it takes |
| 07:05.00 | blast007 | between now and when I feel like it |
| 07:05.09 | blast007 | there isn't any real time-frame |
| 07:05.13 | Winny | and blast007 is a lazy person :) |
| 07:05.14 | Winny | :p |
| 07:05.15 | Think_Differentl | Wait, who got pwned? |
| 07:05.23 | a_meteorite | Think_Differentl: laserball2 and his "dad" |
| 07:05.23 | polabus | Hmm......on a bit of a power trip are we???? |
| 07:05.24 | blast007 | Think_Differentl: none of your concern |
| 07:05.33 | blast007 | polabus: no |
| 07:05.41 | blast007 | adding one line to a file doesn't make me a superhero |
| 07:05.43 | Think_Differentl | Mmm. laserball2 eh? |
| 07:06.01 | a_meteorite | polabus: they take whatever means necessary to restore order, if that means you can't control your "son", they do it for you |
| 07:06.06 | polabus | He really is just a kid.... believe it or not... |
| 07:06.16 | a_meteorite | I don't believe it |
| 07:06.30 | a_meteorite | well, I believe the kid part, but not the father part :) |
| 07:06.44 | polabus | Well......this is turning out to be friendly bunch indeed..... |
| 07:07.17 | blast007 | mainly because they don't belive that you aren't laserbal2 himself |
| 07:08.29 | polabus | Maybe you people are dealing with some real nasty BZ flag players.....sorry you've had such bad experiences....this truly is innocent....I AM NOT laserball2....that is by 8 year son ..... |
| 07:08.32 | polabus | my |
| 07:08.54 | Winny | ".this truly is innocent" |
| 07:08.59 | polabus | how is this medium used if no one believes anything they see? |
| 07:09.06 | Winny | you call running cheats on multiple servers innocent? |
| 07:09.20 | polabus | Do you believe what you're typing right now? |
| 07:09.21 | blast007 | Winny: he was not referring to that |
| 07:09.35 | a_meteorite | we use the evidence we have and believe whatever the evidence says, we can not verify anything you say |
| 07:09.43 | blast007 | ... |
| 07:09.49 | polabus | He is a very smart (and sometimes not so smart) kid.... |
| 07:09.57 | a_meteorite | for all we know, it could be your mischievous son right now speaking |
| 07:10.06 | polabus | Can we verify anything you say? |
| 07:10.14 | Winny | haha, you'd never know from how he types and acts. |
| 07:10.38 | blast007 | http://static.bzexcess.com/bzfi0164.png |
| 07:10.45 | polabus | He must be pretty damn clever if he can talk like this at the ripe old age of 8...wouldn't you say? |
| 07:11.00 | polabus | Think about it....for a second.... |
| 07:11.01 | Constitution | perhaps he isn't 8 |
| 07:11.07 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 07:11.10 | Winny | yeah, more like, 14 |
| 07:11.13 | polabus | Perhaps you are not 25.... |
| 07:11.46 | a_meteorite | polabus: the devs have logs, we have no reason to lie. more than one of us have had experience. the devs have already spoken. |
| 07:12.00 | a_meteorite | basically it's your word against the whole admin community |
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| 07:12.11 | polabus | Well.....we'll try again later when things are a bit less cynical..... |
| 07:12.25 | UhOh | what a superb place this is |
| 07:12.38 | polabus | Sorry you guys have had sooooo many problems.....must be a great deal of evidence to sift through..... |
| 07:12.54 | UhOh | evidence of what? |
| 07:12.59 | UhOh | if I may ask |
| 07:13.03 | blast007 | UhOh: a murder |
| 07:13.07 | blast007 | of a bztank |
| 07:13.09 | blast007 | it was horrible |
| 07:13.13 | polabus | Its a loooooonnggggg story...... |
| 07:13.15 | blast007 | tank parts everywhere |
| 07:13.16 | a_meteorite | purple plasma balls everywhere |
| 07:13.27 | UhOh | That sounds dreadful! I'm so concerned. |
| 07:13.51 | polabus | He really didn't mean to hurt so many feelings......and now his are hurt.....this really hurts.... |
| 07:14.15 | Winny | perhaps "he" should have thought about that BEFORE. |
| 07:14.16 | blast007 | polabus: have him come online so we can discuss it then |
| 07:14.31 | polabus | I just cried on my keyboard and almost shorted it out..... |
| 07:14.31 | blast007 | I'd like to speak with the one it directly involved |
| 07:14.57 | Winny | polabus: aww, muffin. |
| 07:15.11 | polabus | OK.....now pay attention to the immediate difference in speaking style....ya can't make that up....... |
| 07:15.19 | polabus | How shall he come online? |
| 07:15.20 | Winny | yeah you can |
| 07:15.24 | Winny | watch this |
| 07:15.30 | blast007 | polabus: IRC, like you are |
| 07:15.41 | Winny | hai guiz i ned sum help with mai servur can u plz help mii!? |
| 07:15.46 | polabus | Ouch....your being so "narrow".... |
| 07:16.11 | polabus | Here he is....ask him something....only he would know...... |
| 07:16.16 | polabus | Yes? |
| 07:16.23 | Winny | haha. |
| 07:16.25 | blast007 | I don't know him personally, so that wouldn't help |
| 07:16.28 | polabus | laserball2 speaking |
| 07:16.34 | blast007 | it's not like I'm his friend |
| 07:16.45 | polabus | Some terrible cheat event maybe..... |
| 07:16.56 | blast007 | polabus: in private chat |
| 07:17.09 | polabus | I can see that isn't the case.... |
| 07:17.12 | a_meteorite | you sure let your 8 year old stay up late |
| 07:17.20 | Winny | yeah |
| 07:17.25 | blast007 | .... |
| 07:17.26 | polabus | West coast.....off school.... |
| 07:17.37 | Winny | for an 8 year old? haha. |
| 07:17.48 | polabus | Whatever.... |
| 07:18.01 | blast007 | polabus: respond to my PM |
| 07:18.06 | Winny | that's still 11:16. When I was 8 my parents had me in bed by 9, whatever the day. |
| 07:18.24 | polabus | yes? |
| 07:18.35 | Think_Differentl | polabus: it's 11:18 |
| 07:19.03 | Think_Differentl | I doubt 8 year olds should stay up that late. |
| 07:19.26 | polabus | Well......trying to change the subject are we???? |
| 07:19.30 | blast007 | doesn't matter |
| 07:20.08 | polabus | Apparently nothing matters in this thread..... |
| 07:20.14 | Winny | heh |
| 07:20.18 | blast007 | polabus: did you get any of my PM? |
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| 07:20.44 | polabus | Don't know IRC too well....how to respond to PM? |
| 07:20.57 | blast007 | just click in the tab with my name |
| 07:21.02 | polabus | Done |
| 07:21.07 | polabus | Now what? |
| 07:21.08 | blast007 | then talk in there |
| 07:24.03 | UhOh | What brings us all here is a common love of the best open-source game ever conceived, BZFlag |
| 07:24.20 | UhOh | Just kidding! It's a pile of crap, and you're all stupid |
| 07:24.31 | *** part/#bzflag Lakshmi (n=Lakshmi@unaffiliated/lakshmi) |
| 07:24.42 | ruskie | and you're just to fun to ban... |
| 07:24.59 | UhOh | I delight in cheating and distributing my 11,000 lines of hacked client to fellow trouble-makers |
| 07:25.24 | UhOh | You can ban me, but it's transitory at best because I am just so hard to stamp out |
| 07:25.28 | ruskie | and I love /killing you and your fellow troublemakers :) |
| 07:25.31 | UhOh | Sorry! *wan smile* |
| 07:25.54 | a_meteorite | We knew it was you to begin with, we were just playing along |
| 07:26.02 | UhOh | And I knew you knew |
| 07:26.11 | UhOh | Don't fool yourselves |
| 07:26.19 | UhOh | You think you're so clever, don't you |
| 07:26.26 | a_meteorite | whatever |
| 07:26.33 | UhOh | You're just a bunch of middle-aged fools with no lives |
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| 07:26.40 | L4m3r | says the troll... |
| 07:26.46 | ruskie | lol |
| 07:27.01 | Think_Differentl | UhOh: I'm not middle aged. |
| 07:27.19 | UhOh | I despise you all, but it's partly tempered by my pity for you; you're really pathetic, above all else |
| 07:27.27 | UhOh | just pathetic |
| 07:27.35 | UhOh | it brings a tear to my eye |
| 07:27.36 | blast007 | I'm not a middle aged fool with no life.... I'm a young fool with no life! |
| 07:27.37 | a_meteorite | then why do you bother doing anything? |
| 07:27.45 | ruskie | lol |
| 07:27.56 | UhOh | Because I delight in messing things up |
| 07:27.58 | a_meteorite | if we're middle-aged fools, that's our own life. get the hell out of it. |
| 07:28.04 | ruskie | the obvious lack of responses would have been a nice inidication of how much we care... |
| 07:28.16 | UhOh | Lack of responses? Good one |
| 07:28.28 | UhOh | Just kidding! That was a terrible joke |
| 07:28.35 | a_meteorite | you can't mess up someone with no life |
| 07:28.40 | a_meteorite | technically impossible |
| 07:28.46 | ruskie | well he can try |
| 07:28.59 | ruskie | well atleast it's not a boring day at work... |
| 07:29.18 | a_meteorite | whatever makes him sleep at night, ruskie :) |
| 07:29.36 | Think_Differentl | Let's argue! |
| 07:30.04 | UhOh | I sleep well at night with the comfortable knowledge that I'm better at least than a sizeable group of fools who're part of the joke of a community that is BZFlag, yes |
| 07:30.06 | ruskie | thanks to mr joker over there :) |
| 07:30.34 | UhOh | Good bye, turdbags |
| 07:30.37 | *** part/#bzflag UhOh (n=uh@c-24-23-233-198.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 07:30.41 | L4m3r | UhOh: well, if you evaluate your self-worth against a bunch of people you regard as losers, I don't think there's any hope for you anyway |
| 07:31.08 | ruskie | lol |
| 07:32.16 | ruskie | lol he even regged the nick... |
| 07:32.27 | a_meteorite | that's what you call dedicated |
| 07:32.30 | ruskie | and set it private :) |
| 07:33.00 | Winny | meh, cya'll tommorow |
| 07:33.04 | a_meteorite | cya Winny |
| 07:33.17 | Winny | bye |
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| 07:37.44 | brlcad | ruskie: fwiw, I was listening .. just didn't escalate enough till he left |
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| 07:38.32 | ruskie | :) |
| 07:38.40 | ruskie | there usually is someone around :) |
| 07:38.53 | a_meteorite | I think we handled him well |
| 07:38.57 | brlcad | and there's one fairly good way for polabus to have verified he was daddy .. if he's a parent, he shouldn't have any problems picking up a phone |
| 07:39.26 | Winny | brlcad: wanna ban UhOh's address? |
| 07:39.47 | L4m3r | he's dynamic, and a hostban would wipe out a lot of people |
| 07:39.56 | brlcad | don't you think I would have if I wanted to? |
| 07:40.15 | Think_Differentl | ban all of ca.comcast? |
| 07:40.16 | Think_Differentl | :o |
| 07:40.40 | brlcad | yes, wouldn't have held very well with that addr |
| 07:40.46 | L4m3r | someone should modify ibot to allow for poll bans :P |
| 07:40.51 | blast007 | lol.. |
| 07:40.52 | brlcad | heh |
| 07:40.54 | L4m3r | that would be fun |
| 07:41.04 | brlcad | ibot: ban everyone |
| 07:41.05 | ibot | ban everyone are you sure you want to ban everyone? <Y,n,a> |
| 07:41.05 | blast007 | *botnet joins* crap! |
| 07:41.25 | L4m3r | o_O |
| 07:41.33 | L4m3r | ibot is ALIIIIIIVE! |
| 07:41.56 | Think_Differentl | :O |
| 07:42.00 | a_meteorite | lol!! |
| 07:42.00 | Constitution | so what would be the difference between n and a? |
| 07:42.18 | Think_Differentl | Constitution: that's actually kinda odd |
| 07:42.34 | blast007 | Constitution: a stands for atomic |
| 07:42.41 | Constitution | ah |
| 07:42.44 | blast007 | not only does it ban, but it nukes their house |
| 07:42.50 | L4m3r | ~nuke griefers |
| 07:42.50 | ibot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at griefers ... B☢☢M! |
| 07:42.56 | a_meteorite | you know, i kinda like that, blast007 :) |
| 07:46.57 | brlcad | yes, no, any key |
| 07:47.14 | a_meteorite | haha |
| 07:47.55 | Constitution | where's the any key? |
| 07:48.14 | a_meteorite | pound on your keyboard, you will find it |
| 07:48.37 | a_meteorite | warning: may damage laptop keys (I had to pry those off at work today... some kids just can't respect those laptop carts...) |
| 07:48.53 | Winny | haha, laptops at school |
| 07:48.58 | Winny | what a silly idea |
| 07:48.59 | a_meteorite | they switched the keys around and took off the little rubber nipples, broke the clips, ... it was horrid :| |
| 07:49.21 | a_meteorite | on one keyboard the whole top row was dead |
| 07:49.40 | a_meteorite | someone needs to teach those middle schoolers that respecting computer equipment is A Good Thing™ |
| 07:50.06 | Think_Differentl | a_meteorite: can you take the laptops since they're pretty much dead as laptops? |
| 07:50.18 | Think_Differentl | I would if I could, just plug in a USB keyboard |
| 07:50.31 | a_meteorite | no, the school pays for new keyboards from dell |
| 07:50.57 | a_meteorite | or use a donor keyboard if the rubber nipples are still in tact |
| 07:51.00 | a_meteorite | (that's probably the wrong term... but in all other senses, that's what they are...) |
| 07:51.02 | L4m3r | oh lord |
| 07:51.14 | L4m3r | laptops for middle schoolers? that's suicide |
| 07:51.24 | a_meteorite | yeah, even elementary kids take better care of them! |
| 07:51.35 | a_meteorite | it's like those middle schoolers want to destroy stuff or something |
| 07:51.50 | Think_Differentl | BAM! |
| 07:51.50 | L4m3r | they really should be inspected upon return to the carts |
| 07:51.57 | a_meteorite | meh, blame the teachers |
| 07:52.00 | Think_Differentl | ooops, I broke the LCD! |
| 07:52.05 | Think_Differentl | and the kids nose!~ |
| 07:52.08 | L4m3r | but you can't expect middle school technicians to care that much |
| 07:52.40 | a_meteorite | Think_Differentl: well, one looked like someone took a hammer to the top shell... surprised the LCD works... |
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| 17:09.01 | Mylittlechainsaw | hi |
| 17:09.11 | Mylittlechainsaw | what is up |
| 17:09.28 | Mylittlechainsaw | or is nobody here |
| 17:09.33 | whodaman- | ugh |
| 17:09.34 | Mylittlechainsaw | hello? |
| 17:09.38 | Mylittlechainsaw | oh hi |
| 17:09.41 | Winny | heh |
| 17:09.47 | Winny | IRC is not MSN |
| 17:09.52 | Winny | most of us are AFK |
| 17:10.01 | whodaman- | or busy |
| 17:10.02 | Mylittlechainsaw | heh? |
| 17:10.08 | Mylittlechainsaw | oh |
| 17:10.11 | Mylittlechainsaw | i seez |
| 17:10.40 | Mylittlechainsaw | i go now before i get kicked out of skool |
| 17:10.45 | Mylittlechainsaw | lol |
| 17:12.42 | blast007 | Mylittlechainsaw: need something? |
| 17:16.57 | Winny | guess not |
| 17:17.46 | brlcad | maybe a bigger chainsaw |
| 17:18.40 | blast007 | :) |
| 17:21.03 | Winny | har har.. |
| 17:21.29 | brlcad | don't be hatin' |
| 17:21.57 | brlcad | a playa gots to have his chainsaw shawp |
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| 17:33.00 | Winny | ~lart brlcad |
| 17:33.00 | ibot | takes out a cattle prod and gives brlcad a good jolt |
| 17:34.04 | brlcad | aww, no cia |
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| 17:36.59 | Winny | 512 faces >_< |
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| 17:48.53 | Winny | JeffM, you mentioned something about lightmaps yesterday? "you should see if mutitexture works and add fake lightmaps :)" |
| 17:49.15 | JeffM | suposedly you can apply more then one texture to a mesh face |
| 17:49.59 | Winny | hmm |
| 17:50.57 | Winny | not sure if I should add more textures, already hovering at about 8mb |
| 17:51.19 | JeffM | oh NOES eight megabytes whatever will the internet do? |
| 17:51.42 | Winny | everyone is already complaining about it |
| 17:51.52 | JeffM | for a one time download? |
| 17:51.58 | Winny | yeah. |
| 17:52.03 | JeffM | wow |
| 17:52.06 | JeffM | screwem |
| 17:53.25 | whodaman- | ~JeffM++ |
| 17:53.30 | JeffM | ? |
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| 17:58.55 | Winny | probably referring to "screwem" |
| 17:59.44 | whodaman- | Indeed. |
| 18:01.19 | JeffM | if we can't do an 8 meg download then there is no point in making a better graphics engine |
| 18:01.41 | JeffM | because those engines will NEED art |
| 18:03.08 | SpazzyMcGee | I just thought winny's original 14MB for 13 textures was a little excessive. |
| 18:03.09 | Winny | I don't realy see why people don't want to wait an extra 15 seconds or whatever |
| 18:03.32 | JeffM | SpazzyMcGee: and how long did that take you to download? |
| 18:03.50 | whodaman- | Took me like 25 seconds. |
| 18:04.14 | SpazzyMcGee | It took me a bit longer than the other because of my crap ISP |
| 18:04.19 | JeffM | how long? |
| 18:04.19 | SpazzyMcGee | *others |
| 18:04.31 | SpazzyMcGee | I didn't time it. |
| 18:04.35 | JeffM | guess |
| 18:04.55 | JeffM | 5 min? |
| 18:04.56 | JeffM | 10 min? |
| 18:05.03 | whodaman- | haha |
| 18:05.16 | SpazzyMcGee | heh, OK, I'm being a little bit bitchy about nothing. |
| 18:05.22 | AAA_awright | Is the flag alert supposed to go off if anyone steals your flag with thief? |
| 18:05.26 | JeffM | seriouysly how long? |
| 18:05.32 | SpazzyMcGee | I'd say a little over 40 secs |
| 18:05.46 | JeffM | ok |
| 18:05.48 | JeffM | so not too bad |
| 18:06.31 | JeffM | optimaly we'd have an option or tool to download all the images from the current list maps to your computer in the background |
| 18:06.39 | JeffM | so people could be kept up to date |
| 18:07.06 | SpazzyMcGee | That wasn't my point at the time, my point was he was surely going add a load more textures, as the map was only half finished, so perhaps lower the resolution of the images a bit. |
| 18:07.19 | JeffM | then you loose quality |
| 18:07.28 | JeffM | say he doubles it |
| 18:07.32 | JeffM | that's 80 seconds |
| 18:07.38 | JeffM | once |
| 18:07.46 | Winny | probably going to be adding 1-4mb.. max |
| 18:07.49 | JeffM | sorry man but I see that as whopyt freaking do |
| 18:08.25 | SpazzyMcGee | fair enough. Agree to disagree. |
| 18:08.35 | JeffM | it's all cached, so it's not like it gets hit every time |
| 18:09.40 | JeffM | now if the resolution IS excessive suchy as the textures are distant and samll and you will never see the detail, then yes it makes sense to optimise them |
| 18:09.58 | JeffM | but visual quality should not be sacraficed for a meg or 2 |
| 18:13.27 | JeffM | what'd be cool is to have the list server or the game server download and check all the images in the map and see how big the download would be and send the MD5 and download size to the list |
| 18:13.37 | JeffM | so that when you list the game you can see how big the map download will be |
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| 18:13.59 | Winny | oh.. my he's back! |
| 18:14.19 | whodaman- | heh |
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| 18:15.23 | Winny | JeffM: it would be cool if BZFlag supported other texture types, so we could have super-high rez UVMaps and not have 10mb texture |
| 18:15.29 | Winny | but that's probably a pipe dream |
| 18:15.39 | JeffM | so you want lossy images? |
| 18:15.49 | Winny | they're not that bad |
| 18:16.00 | JeffM | just lower the resooultion on the png, it's lossy ;) |
| 18:16.09 | Winny | hehe |
| 18:16.16 | JeffM | but yeah the adaptive compression on jpeg could be usefull for some textures |
| 18:16.30 | JeffM | tho DDS support would be awesome |
| 18:18.41 | laserball6 | ok |
| 18:18.51 | laserball6 | Good morning |
| 18:19.17 | whodaman- | Hi |
| 18:19.48 | laserball6 | Blast007 here? |
| 18:20.18 | SpazzyMcGee | Idle for 43 min. 22 sec. |
| 18:20.33 | laserball6 | eeeg |
| 18:20.52 | laserball6 | Where is he? Gone somewhere? Shopping? |
| 18:21.13 | SpazzyMcGee | Yeah, I'm currently writing his biography. |
| 18:21.49 | laserball6 | Ahhh, ok |
| 18:22.46 | laserball6 | Whats it about? [What person] |
| 18:22.58 | Winny | methinks your sarcasm detector is broken |
| 18:23.19 | laserball6 | Im not using sarcasm |
| 18:23.32 | whodaman- | hmm |
| 18:23.52 | laserball6 | If i look like i am... |
| 18:24.14 | Winny | you should read my sentence again |
| 18:24.26 | laserball6 | I know |
| 18:25.31 | laserball6 | methinks your sarcasm detector is broken |
| 18:25.36 | laserball6 | thats what you said |
| 18:25.43 | Winny | yeah, I know what I said |
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| 18:26.15 | laserball6 | my sarcasm detector is NOT broken |
| 18:26.57 | laserball6 | Dad is not home |
| 18:27.08 | laserball6 | I wanted to ask this question |
| 18:27.29 | laserball6 | Do the developers know all of the server passwords? |
| 18:27.41 | JeffM | what? |
| 18:27.43 | JeffM | god no |
| 18:27.50 | laserball6 | lol thats what i thought |
| 18:27.50 | JeffM | we don't know any of them |
| 18:27.56 | JeffM | how could we? |
| 18:28.02 | Winny | black magic! |
| 18:28.09 | laserball6 | Unless some cukoo owner told you |
| 18:28.28 | JeffM | what would even give you the idea that we would or could? |
| 18:28.38 | laserball6 | Question |
| 18:28.49 | laserball6 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.57 | JeffM | blank line? |
| 18:29.07 | Winny | then come back when you're not |
| 18:29.24 | laserball6 | Im not reallly, just a little |
| 18:29.51 | laserball6 | My dad went to work at maybe 7:00 am? |
| 18:30.01 | JeffM | so? |
| 18:30.13 | laserball6 | I heard the door open |
| 18:30.17 | laserball6 | so that woke me up |
| 18:30.34 | JeffM | and that matters to us why? |
| 18:30.51 | laserball6 | Just telling why im sleepy |
| 18:31.03 | laserball6 | I wanted to tel you this |
| 18:31.13 | JeffM | ? |
| 18:31.21 | JeffM | again that matters to us why? |
| 18:31.26 | laserball6 | Somone in bz told me Jack's Crazy World is a cheat server |
| 18:31.27 | JeffM | or anything about your dad |
| 18:31.43 | laserball6 | Does that matter? |
| 18:31.47 | laserball6 | But |
| 18:31.48 | Winny | it's not? |
| 18:31.51 | JeffM | why do you run cheat servers on public protocolls |
| 18:32.02 | laserball6 | I only have one |
| 18:32.11 | JeffM | the quantity wasn't the question |
| 18:32.15 | JeffM | it was your motoivation |
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| 18:32.31 | JeffM | is jack's advertised as a cheat server? |
| 18:32.41 | laserball6 | No but someone told me |
| 18:32.53 | Winny | don't believe whatever you hear |
| 18:32.55 | JeffM | we don't controll how people run servers |
| 18:32.55 | laserball6 | The rules dosent say ANYTHING about cheating |
| 18:33.04 | Winny | yes they do |
| 18:33.04 | JeffM | we only care about what they post to the public services. |
| 18:33.22 | laserball6 | In Jacks server? |
| 18:33.25 | JeffM | you can run your cheat server, AND list it on our public server, as long as you change the protocoll |
| 18:33.36 | JeffM | you do that, we don't care. |
| 18:33.42 | JeffM | that's then not a cheat, but a mod |
| 18:33.46 | JeffM | for the fun of moding |
| 18:33.48 | laserball6 | You mean the srvmsg? |
| 18:33.59 | JeffM | the public description |
| 18:34.14 | laserball6 | I didnt change the public descrition |
| 18:34.15 | JeffM | that is what is sent to OUR public services |
| 18:34.20 | JeffM | and that is what we care about. |
| 18:34.50 | laserball6 | blast007 said i am listbanned untill i take the server down |
| 18:34.56 | laserball6 | Or longer |
| 18:34.59 | JeffM | what was your public description |
| 18:35.06 | laserball6 | Let me get it |
| 18:35.20 | JeffM | well personaly I think that people that run cheat servers on the mainline proto are evil |
| 18:35.35 | JeffM | and realy just want to ruin the game |
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| 18:35.45 | JeffM | if you wanted to experiment with mods, you'd have NO problem changing protocoll |
| 18:36.00 | laserball6 | -public "laserball2's server... fun!!!" |
| 18:36.02 | JeffM | the only reason to do it on public protocll is to get non moded clients in there and mess with them. |
| 18:36.29 | JeffM | did you publicly advertise it as a 'cheat' server? or were you just lax on your administration? |
| 18:36.40 | laserball6 | In the server message yes |
| 18:36.56 | JeffM | then change your protocolll version so regular clients can't join and you'll be fine |
| 18:37.01 | JeffM | that's it |
| 18:37.20 | laserball6 | Version? |
| 18:37.25 | laserball6 | How would i do that? |
| 18:37.39 | laserball6 | Most of the people that come to my server are non-moded |
| 18:37.39 | JeffM | you run a cheat server and don't kow how to code/compile? |
| 18:37.44 | Winny | you made a cheat client, you should know how |
| 18:37.46 | JeffM | then why is it a cheat server? |
| 18:37.54 | laserball6 | i followed insructions |
| 18:37.59 | laserball6 | on bzfcheat |
| 18:38.08 | laserball6 | I dont know that much code at all |
| 18:38.11 | JeffM | why do you want to ruin the game? |
| 18:38.20 | laserball6 | I dont |
| 18:38.31 | JeffM | sure you do, you support cheating |
| 18:38.33 | JeffM | on public servers |
| 18:38.39 | JeffM | you yourself MADE a cheat cleitn |
| 18:38.40 | JeffM | client |
| 18:38.55 | laserball6 | I didnt make the cheat client myself |
| 18:38.56 | JeffM | you are a cheater |
| 18:39.00 | laserball6 | Dad helped |
| 18:39.07 | JeffM | ok, so you and your dad are both cheaters |
| 18:39.09 | laserball6 | A little |
| 18:39.10 | JeffM | whopty freaking do |
| 18:39.13 | laserball6 | No |
| 18:39.16 | JeffM | we don't support cheaters |
| 18:39.17 | laserball6 | He knows C== |
| 18:39.20 | JeffM | it's as simple as that |
| 18:39.21 | laserball6 | ++* |
| 18:39.28 | laserball6 | He dosent play bz |
| 18:39.42 | laserball6 | only if i ask him too, but he dosent have a cheat cleint |
| 18:39.54 | JeffM | how old are you? |
| 18:40.00 | laserball6 | 9 |
| 18:40.11 | laserball6 | Thats what my dad said to blast007 |
| 18:40.27 | JeffM | honestly you should not be here, nor a server admin. you don't realy understand what your doing |
| 18:40.54 | JeffM | if you want to change the protocoll then have your dad help you change BZ_PROTO_VERSION in buildDate.cxx to something other then 0026 |
| 18:41.11 | laserball6 | There is no buildDate file |
| 18:41.16 | laserball6 | its MISSING |
| 18:41.18 | Winny | laserball6: you went onto a public server and cheated. You could have made a decision not to, but you didn't. There are concequences to your actions. |
| 18:41.21 | JeffM | then tell the people you want to cheat with to change it to the same thing |
| 18:41.30 | JeffM | laserball6: yes there is, I'm a developer I'm looking at it now |
| 18:41.46 | JeffM | get your dad to help you |
| 18:42.05 | laserball6 | Im not adding anymore cheats |
| 18:42.13 | laserball6 | If im unbanned |
| 18:42.17 | JeffM | so you are not going to run a cheat server again? |
| 18:42.23 | laserball6 | No |
| 18:42.26 | Winny | nor are you going to cheat on public servers? |
| 18:42.30 | laserball6 | No |
| 18:42.37 | laserball6 | Only other cheat servers |
| 18:42.57 | JeffM | there are no other public cheat servers |
| 18:43.07 | JeffM | honestly you just should not cheat |
| 18:43.07 | laserball6 | Nightmare sometimes runs |
| 18:43.12 | JeffM | then we'll ban him too |
| 18:43.12 | Winny | which is illegal |
| 18:43.18 | JeffM | now. for the next thing |
| 18:43.22 | laserball6 | Ok.... |
| 18:43.25 | JeffM | do you have a global acocunt, a bzbb name? |
| 18:43.28 | laserball6 | Yes |
| 18:43.32 | JeffM | what is it? |
| 18:43.35 | laserball6 | laserball2 |
| 18:43.40 | Winny | hehe |
| 18:43.53 | JeffM | did your father send us a COPPA permision letter so we can save data for you? |
| 18:44.03 | laserball6 | No... |
| 18:44.06 | laserball6 | You werent here |
| 18:44.08 | JeffM | then I have to delete your account |
| 18:44.09 | laserball6 | yesterday |
| 18:44.16 | JeffM | here has nothing to do with it |
| 18:44.22 | Winny | you've been registered for longer then that, dude |
| 18:44.24 | JeffM | the instructiuons say to e-mail it to tim@rikers.org |
| 18:44.28 | laserball6 | Should i create a new accoutn? |
| 18:44.29 | JeffM | I have to delete your account |
| 18:44.40 | JeffM | no, you have to get your father to give us permission to store data for you |
| 18:44.50 | JeffM | or I have to ban you from bzbb if you keep creating accounts |
| 18:44.50 | laserball6 | OK... |
| 18:44.52 | JeffM | it is the law |
| 18:44.57 | JeffM | I can't store data for you |
| 18:45.02 | JeffM | since you are under 13 |
| 18:45.08 | laserball6 | No i wouldnt keept ceating acounts |
| 18:45.23 | laserball6 | Well my fathers not home |
| 18:45.29 | laserball6 | Guess ill call him |
| 18:45.33 | JeffM | have your father e-mail tim@rikers.org and say that he gives us permision to store data for you, using your username and real name |
| 18:45.38 | JeffM | it can wait till he gets home |
| 18:45.40 | JeffM | there is no rush |
| 18:45.44 | laserball6 | Ok |
| 18:46.08 | laserball6 | Interesting adminisrator permissions you have |
| 18:46.09 | JeffM | it's very important that you tell him exactly what I said |
| 18:46.15 | laserball6 | Ok |
| 18:46.17 | JeffM | laserball6: pardon me? |
| 18:46.29 | Winny | "Interesting adminisrator permissions you have" -- COPPA is a law |
| 18:47.02 | laserball6 | I was commenting. No offense |
| 18:47.07 | laserball6 | on the permissions |
| 18:47.11 | JeffM | I didn't take offense |
| 18:47.17 | JeffM | I do not understand your statement |
| 18:47.31 | JeffM | I'm a project administrator, how is what I can do interesting. |
| 18:47.35 | laserball6 | I like the //ban commands and all that |
| 18:47.41 | JeffM | I'm sure you do |
| 18:47.46 | JeffM | but that has nothing to do with us |
| 18:48.02 | laserball6 | How do you private chat again |
| 18:48.09 | JeffM | on IRC? |
| 18:48.12 | laserball6 | Yes |
| 18:48.20 | laserball6 | Know how to private chat on bz |
| 18:48.23 | JeffM | /join ##whateverTHEnameOFtheCannel |
| 18:48.33 | laserball6 | im already in bz... |
| 18:49.03 | JeffM | you want to private message a person? |
| 18:49.15 | laserball6 | Yes thats what i want to know |
| 18:49.16 | JeffM | /msg NAME message |
| 18:50.46 | laserball6 | Im going to have brekfast a play on PS3 |
| 18:50.58 | JeffM | we don't really care man |
| 18:50.59 | Winny | ok, why do we care? |
| 18:51.27 | laserball6 | Im not showing off. Thats just what im going to do right now |
| 18:51.34 | whodaman- | We don't care. |
| 18:51.37 | laserball6 | Bye |
| 18:51.40 | JeffM | mostly you are anoying us |
| 18:51.59 | laserball6 | Well, sorry but im hungry so bye |
| 18:52.30 | Winny | fun |
| 18:53.52 | JeffM | it went better then it could have |
| 18:54.03 | JeffM | he's a rather tame munchkin |
| 18:54.51 | Winny | yeah |
| 18:58.00 | JeffM | blast007: if/when your arround, go ahead and lift the ban on laserballs' server dunoo how you did it |
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| 19:12.53 | JeffM | ahh there is the blast |
| 19:13.17 | blast007_nokia | heh |
| 19:13.46 | JeffM | how did you ban laserball from the list? |
| 19:13.56 | JeffM | with the php or in the OS? |
| 19:14.02 | blast007_nokia | php |
| 19:14.07 | JeffM | k |
| 19:14.08 | ts | JeffM: If I recall it correct, laserball was running a cheat server, probably that was the reason of the ban |
| 19:14.18 | blast007_nokia | yup |
| 19:14.21 | JeffM | yes ts I know |
| 19:14.38 | JeffM | if you scroll up you'll see the conversation we just had with him about it.; |
| 19:15.02 | JeffM | it was rather lengty |
| 19:15.18 | JeffM | he has stated that he will no longer run it as a cheat server |
| 19:15.29 | ts | never mind, I wasn't understanding you... |
| 19:15.34 | JeffM | if he does then the ban goes back |
| 19:15.39 | ts | too bad english :/ |
| 19:15.45 | JeffM | ts: ahh, how not why ;) |
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| 19:18.21 | JeffM | blast007: he's also a coppa violator and has had his account pulled |
| 19:20.02 | blast007_nokia | heh.. |
| 19:20.06 | JeffM | I am not 100% on the sincerity of the entire situation, but enough to give it a bennifit of the doubt |
| 19:21.00 | JeffM | blast007_nokia: was he warned before the ban? |
| 19:21.17 | JeffM | not that we have any surefire way to contact server owners |
| 19:22.00 | blast007_nokia | he wasn't on the server iirc |
| 19:22.12 | JeffM | but you went and looked? |
| 19:22.25 | blast007_nokia | yes |
| 19:22.29 | JeffM | good enough |
| 19:22.55 | blast007_nokia | it was advertised as a chear server in-game |
| 19:23.10 | blast007_nokia | cheat* |
| 19:23.15 | JeffM | yeah |
| 19:23.18 | JeffM | he admited that |
| 19:23.31 | JeffM | I told him his choices were to stop that, or change his protocll |
| 19:24.58 | JeffM | cus that is WAY too hary potter |
| 19:28.27 | Winny | give him some evil sounding chinese name |
| 19:29.06 | JeffM | he's not "evil" |
| 19:29.11 | JeffM | just stuck up |
| 19:29.18 | JeffM | in the end he's on the same side as the main character |
| 19:34.02 | Think_Differentl | Chancho Poco |
| 19:34.18 | Winny | flip through other books and make a name mishmash? ;) |
| 19:39.32 | Winny | JeffM: do you want my textures, or should I submit them closer to when 3.0 is released? |
| 19:39.55 | JeffM | I don't see why waiting would do anything special |
| 19:40.12 | JeffM | if you don't mind it would be cool to submit the PSDs too |
| 19:40.17 | Winny | k |
| 19:40.21 | JeffM | and we can put them into an 'art' sub project |
| 19:40.25 | JeffM | to make mods easier |
| 19:40.40 | JeffM | are you ok with them being LGPL? |
| 19:41.16 | Winny | yeah |
| 19:41.26 | JeffM | cool |
| 19:45.55 | Winny | they're not in the 3.0 data folder format, should I do that? |
| 19:46.18 | JeffM | we can rename them when we integrate them |
| 19:46.23 | JeffM | just submit them for now |
| 19:47.00 | Winny | k |
| 19:49.11 | Winny | alright, this is going to take a while... 150mb |
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| 19:50.10 | ruskie | so what's the word on those textures? |
| 19:50.46 | JeffM | as with all patches they will be looked at for inclusion |
| 19:50.57 | JeffM | I'm guessing we'll tweak them somewhat |
| 19:51.11 | JeffM | I'd like to do some work on the base one |
| 19:51.21 | JeffM | and change some of the internal geometry |
| 19:51.27 | JeffM | in the game to go with them |
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| 19:51.41 | JeffM | perhaps also break some of them up into multi pass lists |
| 19:51.52 | JeffM | so we can get a detail map |
| 19:52.31 | ruskie | hmm I wonder how they'll affect performance |
| 19:52.55 | JeffM | if we do a smart card ram check, it should not change it much at all |
| 19:53.10 | JeffM | you can now force the textures to scale to a new max size |
| 19:53.26 | JeffM | so if it's slow for you, lower the max size to like 256 and it'll scale them down. |
| 19:53.38 | JeffM | optimaly we'd do it dynamicly |
| 19:53.47 | ruskie | configurable in the menu? |
| 19:54.15 | JeffM | no |
| 19:54.22 | JeffM | it's something we should be able to compute dynamicly |
| 19:54.34 | JeffM | and if you'd want to set it manualy you'd set it in the config |
| 19:54.40 | JeffM | as most modern hardware would not need it |
| 19:55.19 | ts | What pictures? Those that have been posted at bzbb? |
| 19:55.20 | ruskie | to bad I gave up on modern hardware ages ago... |
| 19:55.46 | JeffM | ruskie: sorry man but your a minority |
| 19:55.52 | JeffM | ts: I belive he posted some of them, yes |
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| 19:56.11 | ruskie | JeffM, as long as it'll still run on my gear I'll be happy :) |
| 19:56.16 | ts | JeffM: Those I've seen where partly worse than the current ones :( |
| 19:56.17 | ruskie | it's not THAT bad really... |
| 19:56.41 | JeffM | ts: like I said they will be evaluated |
| 19:56.48 | ruskie | though by todays standards it's probably ancient... |
| 19:56.49 | Winny | ts: I've changed them quite a bit since those screenshots |
| 19:56.56 | Winny | they actually tile now |
| 19:56.58 | JeffM | if you have constructive comments, or would like to work on them, or new art it would be more then welcomed. |
| 19:57.21 | JeffM | I belive as a concept they have merrit |
| 19:57.33 | JeffM | I don't think they are polished enough for final work |
| 19:57.43 | JeffM | but they are a good enhacment to what we have |
| 19:57.45 | JeffM | some of them |
| 19:57.46 | ruskie | Winny, got any recent screenshots? |
| 19:57.51 | Winny | shall I upload my other bases, as well? |
| 19:58.05 | JeffM | I'm not a fan of the tank ones, but they may be a good base for a full retexture of the tank |
| 19:58.11 | Winny | they're basically like the current ones, but are higher rez |
| 19:59.03 | Winny | JeffM: remember that project you were working on ages ago? it had an overhead tank view.. I forget what it was called |
| 19:59.03 | Winny | those tank textures were neat |
| 19:59.04 | JeffM | GPx01 |
| 19:59.04 | Winny | ahh |
| 19:59.16 | JeffM | I think that was the basic bz texture |
| 19:59.29 | Winny | no, they were different |
| 19:59.39 | ts | Current tank textures are already great |
| 19:59.52 | JeffM | ts, they are passable not great |
| 19:59.54 | Winny | I remember using them for something about a year ago, they were a bit different |
| 20:00.18 | JeffM | Winny: I'm looking at the dir, and it's the same stuff |
| 20:00.24 | Winny | hmm.. |
| 20:00.30 | Winny | I could swear they were colored differently |
| 20:01.09 | JeffM | http://opencombat.cvs.sourceforge.net/opencombat/GPx01/data/model/ico-tank/ |
| 20:01.10 | ruskie | ts, face it... most ppl want pwetty pics... :( |
| 20:01.27 | Winny | ruskie: then replace your textures with the old ones |
| 20:01.47 | JeffM | if we remap the tanks, the old textures won't be viable anymore |
| 20:02.06 | JeffM | Winny: or do you mean the mk3 model and it's textures? |
| 20:02.20 | JeffM | http://opencombat.cvs.sourceforge.net/opencombat/GPx01/data/model/mk3/ |
| 20:02.46 | JeffM | like this one |
| 20:02.47 | JeffM | http://opencombat.cvs.sourceforge.net/opencombat/GPx01/data/model/mk3/green.png?view=markup |
| 20:03.03 | Winny | hm |
| 20:03.11 | Winny | I must be thinking of something someone else made |
| 20:03.23 | JeffM | what model was it on that you remember? |
| 20:04.50 | Winny | the ones from GPx01 are a touch different, actually |
| 20:05.09 | ts | ruskie: I'm also a fan of good looking pics.. |
| 20:05.13 | JeffM | are they? |
| 20:05.31 | JeffM | ahh yeah it's a better green one |
| 20:05.35 | ruskie | ts, hey I like them as well... just don't feel they have place in a multiplayer game :) |
| 20:05.47 | JeffM | more subduied, less saturation |
| 20:06.01 | JeffM | ruskie: then play zork :) |
| 20:06.12 | ruskie | query: zork ??? |
| 20:06.18 | JeffM | text based game |
| 20:06.23 | Winny | hehe |
| 20:06.34 | JeffM | ok, so yeah those do look better :) |
| 20:06.40 | Winny | yay, 5 min left |
| 20:06.46 | JeffM | I'm not a huge fan of having cammo on the tanks anyway |
| 20:06.55 | JeffM | I mean part of the gameplay is to be able to SEE them |
| 20:07.00 | ruskie | lol |
| 20:07.02 | JeffM | and camo's job is to make it NOT seeable |
| 20:07.15 | Winny | the problem is it looks nice |
| 20:07.18 | JeffM | I'd rather have the tanks be more metal, with large areas of team colored paint |
| 20:07.28 | Winny | would it be possible to re-UV map the tanks? |
| 20:07.34 | JeffM | anything is possible |
| 20:07.53 | Winny | or even get a new model.. could UV the tank out of one big texture to allow for nicer shading |
| 20:07.56 | JeffM | optimaly I'd like the tanks to have more of a color scheeme like this. |
| 20:07.56 | JeffM | http://www.flickr.com/photos/rival_m/2078028409/in/photostream/ |
| 20:08.55 | JeffM | at least in 3.0 the treads arn't camo painted now |
| 20:09.21 | JeffM | this shows a good set of variations in color |
| 20:09.21 | JeffM | http://www.flickr.com/photos/rival_m/2078028417/in/photostream/ |
| 20:09.43 | Winny | the problem is it would need to be UVMapped to realy do that right |
| 20:09.47 | JeffM | yes |
| 20:10.03 | JeffM | making it use a difrent model would not be that hard |
| 20:10.08 | Winny | hmm, want a new model? :p |
| 20:10.10 | JeffM | as long as the model was built the same way |
| 20:10.17 | JeffM | the same number of chunks |
| 20:10.25 | JeffM | I can make it read from an external file |
| 20:10.32 | Winny | OBJ? |
| 20:10.38 | JeffM | I have OBJ readers, yes |
| 20:10.41 | Winny | :D |
| 20:10.50 | JeffM | the hard part is doing user definable models |
| 20:11.20 | JeffM | cus that has more implications then just drawing |
| 20:11.48 | Winny | would it be possible to just say "this is the hit bound of the tank", not matter the mode? |
| 20:11.50 | Winny | model* |
| 20:12.00 | JeffM | it's more then the hit box |
| 20:12.07 | JeffM | scaling a model to fix the hit box is easy |
| 20:12.13 | JeffM | it's shuffling the models arround |
| 20:12.25 | JeffM | how they are affected by flags that change how you look, etc.. |
| 20:12.48 | Winny | ah |
| 20:12.49 | JeffM | a number of gameplay choices would have to be made |
| 20:13.04 | JeffM | but making the game read a single model and draw that is not too hard. |
| 20:13.21 | ruskie | hmm will 3.0 have different turrets for different flags? |
| 20:13.33 | JeffM | ruskie: only if somone writes it |
| 20:13.36 | ruskie | btw those pics look nice.. |
| 20:13.51 | ruskie | wouldn't mind having such a colour scheme |
| 20:13.57 | JeffM | yeah it's not bad |
| 20:14.13 | JeffM | it's a good way to have colors and still look like a real tank |
| 20:14.32 | JeffM | Winny: you can get that tank as an ldraw model for refrence, hint hint, wink wink |
| 20:14.47 | JeffM | http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=287847 |
| 20:14.50 | JeffM | get the mdd file |
| 20:14.51 | ruskie | mmm ldraw... I wish there was a usable linux tool for that... |
| 20:14.53 | JeffM | mpd file |
| 20:15.04 | Winny | yikes, that's alot of polys |
| 20:15.15 | JeffM | well duh it's modeled in legos |
| 20:15.37 | JeffM | I used ldview |
| 20:15.41 | Winny | how many polys would be a good limit for the tank? |
| 20:15.48 | JeffM | there are windows linux and mac versions |
| 20:15.53 | JeffM | well fewest is best |
| 20:16.00 | JeffM | we'd have to have the 3 LODs for it |
| 20:16.17 | JeffM | I'd say low LOD having like 200, medium having 500 and high having 1000 would probalby be acceptable. |
| 20:16.42 | JeffM | the current hightank has like 200ish IIRC |
| 20:16.48 | JeffM | and lowtank like 100 |
| 20:17.04 | JeffM | so our LOD isn't buying us that much right now |
| 20:17.42 | JeffM | 200/500/1000 would be a good place to start |
| 20:17.51 | Winny | still want treads, no treads, covers? |
| 20:18.18 | JeffM | personaly I don't find much using in having the 3 modes |
| 20:18.29 | JeffM | if we are going to do treads then we do treads |
| 20:18.39 | JeffM | but I've also never seen a tank that has fully open treads |
| 20:18.48 | JeffM | I like the covered treads we do now |
| 20:18.55 | JeffM | and it makes sense to do animated treads |
| 20:19.06 | JeffM | I don't think they sap much graphic powers |
| 20:19.11 | whodaman- | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.13 | JeffM | since moving an UV coord is minimal |
| 20:19.16 | whodaman- | ugh sorry |
| 20:19.25 | JeffM | and it adds no extra geometry |
| 20:19.38 | JeffM | but the treads that move would have to be in there own texture |
| 20:19.52 | JeffM | or at least aligned allong a single axis in the texutre from 0 to 1 |
| 20:19.55 | JeffM | so we can loop them |
| 20:20.59 | Winny | I have a model here, need to lower then rez, though. |
| 20:21.11 | JeffM | got a screenshot? |
| 20:21.30 | Winny | yeah.. somewhere |
| 20:21.31 | Winny | one sec |
| 20:21.50 | JeffM | ruskie: http://ldview.sourceforge.net/Downloads.html |
| 20:21.57 | JeffM | that lists a linux version |
| 20:22.06 | ruskie | I meant to create :) |
| 20:22.15 | JeffM | ahh that I don't know |
| 20:22.18 | ruskie | yeah |
| 20:24.48 | Winny | actually, the tanks I was talking about are on the wiki http://my.bzflag.org/w/Tank_Art ... I need to redo them anyways |
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| 20:26.16 | JeffM | too vertical |
| 20:26.40 | JeffM | the side wheels and stuff can be done with textures as well |
| 20:28.50 | Winny | hm, so you'd prefer something more like the lego tank? |
| 20:29.43 | JeffM | I like the look of it |
| 20:29.48 | JeffM | looks much more modern |
| 20:29.58 | JeffM | less toy like |
| 20:30.08 | Winny | what about that other one you showed on here awhile ago "robotank", it was from a magazine or something |
| 20:30.25 | ruskie | yeah that lego tank looks nice :) |
| 20:30.30 | Winny | it had tires, not tracks, though |
| 20:30.44 | JeffM | robotank is awesome sauce |
| 20:30.54 | JeffM | but I don't think we should go to wheels for bz just yet :) |
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| 20:31.22 | Winny | aww |
| 20:31.24 | ruskie | JeffM, hmm would be interesting... increase the speed loose the manuverability |
| 20:31.30 | JeffM | maybe later when bzflag can be branched interaly to multiple games, and we ahve classes |
| 20:31.38 | JeffM | then yeah robo tank could come into play |
| 20:31.45 | JeffM | ruskie: yeah but that makes it a difrent game |
| 20:31.49 | ruskie | true |
| 20:31.51 | JeffM | when you start talking about tank frame classes |
| 20:31.53 | Winny | what about a robotank with treads? |
| 20:31.59 | JeffM | not that I don't think it' not be funn as heck |
| 20:32.10 | JeffM | Winny: for bz, something more tratiional like the lego one would be best |
| 20:32.12 | ruskie | I hope that will be the eventual future bzflag :) |
| 20:32.16 | Legoguy | :D ldraw = pwn |
| 20:32.28 | JeffM | robotank kinda infers multiple weapons etc |
| 20:32.38 | JeffM | ruskie: I don't think bzflag itself will go that way |
| 20:32.52 | ruskie | well more games to enjoy then ;) |
| 20:32.53 | JeffM | but it's possible for us to become modular enough where bzflag becomes more then one game |
| 20:33.00 | JeffM | exaclty |
| 20:33.20 | JeffM | you'd pick if you want to list bzflag classic servers, or some new game mode that is more complex, etc.. |
| 20:33.31 | JeffM | all based on the same code just with a modular gameplay library |
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| 20:34.43 | Legoguy | i made this with mlcad and put it into midtown madness 2, hehe: http://turbogfx.homelinux.org/imgfiles/mm2/MIDTOWN2%202004-12-31%2012-37-00-21.jpg |
| 20:35.13 | JeffM | heh |
| 20:36.08 | Legoguy | it only goes like, 320 mph or so. |
| 20:37.18 | L4m3r | people still play MM2? |
| 20:37.25 | L4m3r | (and make cars? :o) |
| 20:37.39 | JeffM | hmm guess I don't have the robotank images anymore :( |
| 20:37.53 | JeffM | least not here |
| 20:38.16 | Winny | crap, I just came really damn close to changing the topic |
| 20:38.33 | Winny | http://bzfusion.net/BZTank/robotank.png http://bzfusion.net/BZTank/robotank_clean.png <-- JeffM |
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| 20:38.44 | JeffM | there it is :) |
| 20:39.23 | JeffM | in a class based game I'd make that be a scout tank |
| 20:39.36 | JeffM | speed up the wazzo but light armor and weapons |
| 20:40.16 | Winny | yeah, my webserver is being poopy today |
| 20:40.24 | whodaman- | wow! |
| 20:40.26 | Winny | s/webserver/shared hosting |
| 20:40.27 | whodaman- | It was worth it |
| 20:40.41 | whodaman- | heh, that would be awesome |
| 20:40.44 | Legoguy | L4m3r: well, i stopped playing a while ago, but me and members of the mm2c community have an occasional mm2 party (becoming fewer and fewer now days) |
| 20:41.14 | L4m3r | I wonder if anyone is still into the first one |
| 20:41.23 | Legoguy | (i’m an administrator there, and i used to make cars) |
| 20:41.33 | Legoguy | there are believe me |
| 20:41.36 | L4m3r | the physics were much more realistic in the first one :P |
| 20:41.39 | Legoguy | i still have it somewhere around here |
| 20:42.06 | L4m3r | I remember having a tough time with nVidia and WinXP (yeah, it's that old >_> ) |
| 20:42.19 | Legoguy | L4m3r: http://turbogfx.homelinux.org/downloads.php?s=mm2 |
| 20:43.21 | L4m3r | oooh, I think I had the 2.0 version of the go kart |
| 20:43.38 | L4m3r | no, that was MM1. hm... |
| 20:44.05 | L4m3r | I remember going to centralgaming.net and downloading cars until MM started crashing |
| 20:44.17 | ruskie | JeffM, so eventually there won't be insta-kills but varius levels of damage? |
| 20:45.07 | Winny | hm, I have an interesting idea.. hopefully I can get it done today |
| 20:46.04 | JeffM | ruskie: as I said, bzflag will probalby stay the way it is as a game, and I would hope that we could add other games onto it using the same code. |
| 20:46.45 | Legoguy | L4m3r: you probably had the original for mm1, i got in touch with the author of it and converted it to mm2, then made a whole new version of it with MLCAD later |
| 20:47.12 | SpazzyMcGee | Is drawinfo angular movement in degrees or radians / second? |
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| 20:47.47 | Winny | I thought it was radians |
| 20:48.34 | Flash | 15-20 years ago (or so) SGI had a BZ game that had 4 tanks (no superflags). Runner: fast and manuverable; Supertank: fast, not so manuverable; Regular: slower, but shot TOW missile (fly by wire); Stealth: slow, no GM |
| 20:48.54 | Flash | The fly-by-wire part of the GM was way cool |
| 20:49.00 | SpazzyMcGee | The wiki says angvel <degrees/sec> , but I'm sure people have said it was in radians, so I dunno. |
| 20:49.14 | SpazzyMcGee | I'll do calculations for both. and see whick works. |
| 20:49.18 | SpazzyMcGee | *which |
| 20:53.15 | SpazzyMcGee | looks like degrees to me |
| 20:55.20 | Winny | put it at 360 and see if it makes one rotation every second |
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| 21:11.32 | SpazzyMcGee | I used an angular physics driver, which is in rotations per second |
| 21:11.47 | SpazzyMcGee | Then umped on it with the tank to see if they matched. |
| 21:11.50 | SpazzyMcGee | *jumped |
| 21:17.20 | L4m3r | I don't think anything in bzw uses radians |
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| 21:22.24 | AHA | Is there a command to follow a specific person when you are observer? Or do you need to hit F7 until you are driving with that person? |
| 21:30.51 | Flash | f6/f7 forward/back |
| 21:31.16 | Flash | or back/forward |
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| 21:34.37 | AHA | I mean like a "/follow xyz" command |
| 21:36.08 | AAA_awright | AHA: There is a command that can set a position to look, but I have not heard of one that sets who you drive with |
| 21:36.30 | AHA | ok, thanks |
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| 21:37.35 | Teppic | any viper guys around? |
| 21:40.13 | ruskie | need help? |
| 21:43.56 | Winny | Teppic: what's up? |
| 21:44.25 | Teppic | Some guy was making ppl tk him with a hack |
| 21:44.35 | whodaman- | Oh |
| 21:44.43 | ruskie | he left? |
| 21:44.46 | whodaman- | sounds like the :()iiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 21:44.47 | whodaman- | dude |
| 21:44.49 | Teppic | has now |
| 21:44.58 | ruskie | got any info on him? |
| 21:45.45 | Teppic | no, it was the :()iiiiii guy tho, I kept getting kicked b4 i got anything useful |
| 21:45.53 | Winny | hm |
| 21:46.07 | ruskie | ip would be helpfull or host |
| 21:46.21 | Teppic | I don't see that info |
| 21:46.49 | ruskie | hmm prod Manu might want to check the logs on that :()iiiiii guy |
| 21:47.51 | Winny | IIRC it's CRW's new name |
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| 21:47.59 | Teppic | CRE? |
| 21:48.04 | Teppic | CRW* |
| 21:48.07 | Winny | yeah |
| 21:48.15 | Teppic | Who? |
| 21:48.22 | Winny | just ban *.embarqhsd.net and you'll be good.. but that is a rather large range |
| 21:48.38 | whodaman- | An extremely annoying cheater |
| 21:48.54 | ruskie | Winny, when I'll see him around I will probably do such a ban |
| 21:48.55 | Teppic | Well, no one visits my server so he can cheat all he likes there..... |
| 21:49.00 | Winny | JeffM: did you get the textures downloaded? :D |
| 21:49.08 | ruskie | anyway sleep for me... |
| 21:49.13 | whodaman- | night |
| 21:49.24 | whodaman- | where are you ruskie ? |
| 21:49.29 | ruskie | .si |
| 21:50.15 | JeffM | I'm not at home so I don't know |
| 21:50.17 | JeffM | but probably |
| 21:50.29 | Winny | oh, heh |
| 21:50.37 | Winny | you all your BZ Work at work? |
| 21:50.46 | JeffM | I didn't go to work today |
| 21:50.48 | JeffM | I was at home |
| 21:50.52 | JeffM | now I am at panera |
| 21:51.03 | Winny | oh |
| 21:51.04 | JeffM | looking up places that sell rear view mirrors for motorcycles |
| 21:51.09 | JeffM | cus I am an idiot |
| 21:51.25 | Teppic | Mirrors will make you lazy |
| 21:51.30 | Teppic | look over your shoulder. |
| 21:51.56 | JeffM | have to have them by law IIRC |
| 21:52.03 | JeffM | and I don't want to leave the now busted shards |
| 21:52.07 | JeffM | hanging of the side of the bike |
| 21:52.23 | Winny | oh dear |
| 21:52.26 | Teppic | Really? We have odd laws here, if you have them they cannot be cracked etc, but you can just take them off.... |
| 21:52.53 | Winny | probably 'cause the pieces might fall off, Teppic |
| 21:53.16 | Teppic | Jeff, did you drop it? |
| 21:53.27 | JeffM | yeah |
| 21:53.33 | Teppic | Hard? |
| 21:53.35 | JeffM | kickstand wasn't all the way down when I got off |
| 21:53.37 | JeffM | naw |
| 21:53.51 | JeffM | busted the mirror and the turn signal that's it |
| 21:54.02 | Teppic | My missus still owes me ?500 for a new fairing. Last time I lend her my bike... |
| 21:54.28 | Teppic | DO you get those mushroom things over there? |
| 21:55.00 | JeffM | huh? |
| 21:55.16 | Teppic | Hang on, I'll find a link.. |
| 21:55.51 | Teppic | http://www.bikehps.com/bikedesign/?gclid=CIGapJ-H25ACFQFBMAodz2NdOQ |
| 21:56.05 | JeffM | rail sliders? |
| 21:56.15 | Teppic | Is that what you call them? |
| 21:56.37 | JeffM | that's the geneirc name for them IIRC |
| 21:56.48 | JeffM | usualy they don't protect the stuff that sticks out ;) |
| 21:57.26 | Teppic | Yeah, but that is the cheap stuff ;) |
| 21:57.53 | JeffM | that's what I broke |
| 21:58.42 | JeffM | http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/Product/tf-VehicleBrowse/s-10101/Pr-p_Product.CATENTRY_ID:2002245/p-2002245/N-111+1992+200730511+600014469/c-10111 |
| 21:58.46 | JeffM | 21$ |
| 21:59.56 | Teppic | Can't argue with that, better than shelling out for4 colour coded ones |
| 22:00.50 | JeffM | the light I think I can fix |
| 22:01.05 | Teppic | OO, thats quite a lot of plastic there to damage, you were lucky. |
| 22:01.31 | JeffM | just the orange plastic and the bulb broke |
| 22:02.08 | Teppic | I meant the fairing in general, the top half looks like one piece. |
| 22:03.13 | Winny | there he goes |
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| 23:16.49 | UhOh | penis |
| 23:18.28 | UhOh | weanis |
| 23:18.38 | UhOh | etc., etc. |
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| 23:18.39 | a_meteorite | brlcad, purple_cow, DTRemenak, etc |
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| 23:18.56 | whodaman- | w00t |
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| 23:19.15 | Winny | yay |
| 23:19.35 | Winny | ~Tupone++ |
| 23:19.48 | whodaman- | ~Tupone++ |
| 23:20.14 | Tupone | he can re-enter easily :( |
| 23:20.25 | whodaman- | ah well |
| 23:20.28 | whodaman- | your here :D |
| 23:20.56 | Winny | perhaps it's a good idea to do +v |
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| 23:39.41 | spldart | Lookout for a "poopy poo poo" player.. TK, flag running, etc |
| 23:40.24 | Winny | fun |
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| 23:43.58 | JeffM | Winny: yes I got the textures |
| 23:44.45 | Winny | yay |
| 23:44.48 | Winny | :p |
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| 23:49.57 | AAA_awright | ~bzsvn |
| 23:49.59 | ibot | i heard bzsvn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag |
| 23:50.43 | Winny | TimRiker: ya missed him :p |
| 23:51.01 | JeffM | who'd he miss? |
| 23:51.11 | Winny | UhOh |
| 23:52.19 | TimRiker | Winny: just my luck. |
| 23:52.31 | Winny | :) |
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| 23:56.16 | Winny | is there a variable to not show flags on a map, but still show them on radar? |
| 23:56.48 | Winny | was going to have spinning drawinfo objevts above different types of flags in my map, showing what type of flag it was |
| 23:58.12 | inchworm | Winny: the h key may do that? |
| 23:58.29 | Winny | inchworm: as in, something I can set in the map file |
| 23:58.39 | Winny | so it happens everywhere |
| 23:58.49 | inchworm | ohhhh |
| 23:59.34 | F687s | maybe set flag size and height to "really small"? |
