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| 02:21.35 | whodaman- | Wow |
| 02:21.42 | whodaman- | Admins |
| 02:21.56 | whodaman- | emm1.info:5154 |
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| 02:22.33 | whodaman- | I just joined that server and downloaded a texture from my.bzflag.org/files/avatar_140.png |
| 02:22.55 | whodaman- | And...it's a picture of Hillary Clinton |
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| 02:25.29 | whodaman | So, might want to look into that |
| 02:36.35 | TD-Linux | why is that bad? |
| 02:36.57 | TD-Linux | though I didn't see the picture... |
| 02:37.18 | whodaman | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=12191 |
| 02:37.20 | whodaman | Read that |
| 02:37.23 | whodaman | and anyway |
| 02:37.44 | whodaman | JeffM has said that they're not hosting any political pictures |
| 02:38.07 | KTL | good decision |
| 02:58.46 | menotume | GIANTS ! |
| 03:00.26 | KTL | we dont have that in belgium, games that get so popular |
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| 03:20.06 | spldart | YES GIANTS!!!! |
| 03:20.52 | spldart | half time was pretty good |
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| 03:21.55 | spldart | ,,, my neighborhood was dead quiet... so I felt it my obligation to get teh wife and kids on the front patio screaming "the giants take the superbowl" !!!! |
| 03:25.03 | a_meteorite | whodaman: regarding emm1.info, i think that's the same server the admins banned cause of bots and political image |
| 03:25.25 | a_meteorite | and yeah the picture is hosted on official services... >_< |
| 03:27.08 | AAA_awright | political image? |
| 03:27.16 | AAA_awright | I see |
| 03:27.35 | QuantumBeep | political image? |
| 03:27.53 | AAA_awright | whodaman-: And...it's a picture of Hillary Clinton |
| 03:28.26 | a_meteorite | QuantumBeep: emm1.info:5154 |
| 03:28.36 | AAA_awright | Support restrictions on freedom and government control of your life! Vote Hillary! |
| 03:28.39 | AAA_awright | >_> |
| 03:29.21 | a_meteorite | AAA_awright: oi, that was harsh |
| 03:29.32 | QuantumBeep | And severely OT |
| 03:29.44 | a_meteorite | yup |
| 03:30.08 | AAA_awright | True, true, and true. |
| 03:32.34 | spldart | Yay AAA! |
| 03:33.28 | AAA_awright | So, this is a problem that has been bugging me, what special bits are set in the IP/UDP header sent from the client? What file deals with sending player update packets? |
| 03:37.20 | AAA_awright | The ISP I am using seems to be dropping certain types of UDP packets. The only problem with TCP or generic UDP is that a tcp packet was recieved out of order, but otherwise the only problem is mass dropping of player update UDP packets (5% to 15%) |
| 03:45.39 | spldart | ~Thumper_++ |
| 03:45.47 | spldart | ~AAA_awright++ |
| 03:46.20 | a_meteorite | Mememe! |
| 03:46.38 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 03:46.56 | AAA_awright | I don't deserve karma just because I want freedom from bureaucratic government programs |
| 03:47.09 | spldart | LOL |
| 03:47.15 | spldart | Don't make my get yah twice |
| 03:47.33 | spldart | :-p |
| 03:47.35 | a_meteorite | fwiw, I share AAA_awright's opinion, but I don't want to get attacked |
| 03:48.22 | a_meteorite | Oh, Jeff's not here |
| 03:48.31 | AAA_awright | ibot is |
| 03:48.32 | ibot | it has been said that is is the country code for iceland |
| 03:48.36 | a_meteorite | lol |
| 03:48.39 | AAA_awright | :D |
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| 07:35.41 | L4m3r | I hate CVS |
| 07:35.44 | L4m3r | that is all |
| 07:46.45 | DTRemenak | it's better than sourcesafe |
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| 08:54.23 | Qhestion | hmm when i launch bzflag, it flickers. opensuse 10.3. how do i fix it? |
| 08:55.45 | a_meteorite | Qhestion: like continuous flickering or just when it starts up? |
| 08:55.57 | Qhestion | continuous. |
| 08:56.16 | a_meteorite | Probably driver related |
| 08:56.25 | Qhestion | other games run fine. |
| 08:56.40 | Qhestion | proprietary nvidia driver. |
| 08:56.42 | a_meteorite | What video card and driver you have installed? And do you have the latest? |
| 08:56.51 | a_meteorite | Ahh, ok, do you have the latest nv driver? |
| 08:56.54 | Qhestion | nvidia geforce 8600gt |
| 08:57.00 | Qhestion | yes, latest driver |
| 08:57.20 | a_meteorite | Try launching with the -window switch and see what happens |
| 08:57.35 | Qhestion | runs fine in windowed mode |
| 08:57.54 | a_meteorite | If you press F1 and go to full screen does it start flickering again? |
| 08:58.13 | Qhestion | nope, but it doesnt go fullscreen. it does sth weird: |
| 08:58.38 | Qhestion | the window stays same size, but everything in it gets larger, the right size for fullscreen |
| 08:58.44 | a_meteorite | Whoa |
| 08:58.48 | Qhestion | ^^ |
| 08:59.10 | lan56 | .....whoa |
| 08:59.29 | Qhestion | oha |
| 08:59.47 | Qhestion | if i change display format in windowed mode, |
| 08:59.58 | Qhestion | my monitors resolution gets changed. |
| 09:00.08 | Qhestion | but the window stays same size. |
| 09:00.47 | a_meteorite | What if you use a different resolution in full screen? |
| 09:00.53 | Qhestion | flickering stays |
| 09:02.52 | Qhestion | this is not normal, right? |
| 09:04.11 | Qhestion | WTF |
| 09:04.23 | Qhestion | just launched bzflag from console |
| 09:04.28 | Qhestion | worked! |
| 09:05.21 | Qhestion | weird, but as long as it works... |
| 09:05.23 | a_meteorite | how else did you launch it? |
| 09:05.29 | a_meteorite | menu entry? |
| 09:05.42 | a_meteorite | maybe it put in some special arguments... |
| 09:05.47 | Qhestion | either kmenu or that starter thingy (alt-f2) |
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| 09:07.48 | Qhestion | weird |
| 09:08.03 | Qhestion | game runs fine, but it doesnt recognize any keyboard presses once ingame |
| 09:08.42 | a_meteorite | what version of bzflag, Qhestion? |
| 09:08.55 | Qhestion | BZFlag client 2.0.10.20071226-MAINT-linux-gnu (protocol 0026) http://BZFlag.org/ |
| 09:09.06 | a_meteorite | hmmm the latest version... |
| 09:09.11 | Qhestion | i know. |
| 09:09.16 | a_meteorite | I dunno, something is definitely wrong with your system |
| 09:09.21 | Qhestion | :/ |
| 09:09.47 | Qhestion | i hate it when this happens.. |
| 09:10.13 | Qhestion | hmm any idea when the next bzflag version will be released? ^^ |
| 09:10.55 | a_meteorite | not for awhile |
| 09:11.05 | a_meteorite | 3.0 is in development, 2.0 has been pretty much frozen |
| 09:11.05 | Qhestion | </rhetorical question> |
| 09:11.30 | a_meteorite | the only way another 2.0 release would happen if some really major bug came up... or security flaw... |
| 09:12.10 | a_meteorite | I would guess 3.0 is a year away or so. Maybe less (6 months), maybe more (6 months). |
| 09:12.11 | L4m3r | or package maintenance issue |
| 09:12.42 | a_meteorite | L4m3r: how can that be solved by releasing another version? |
| 09:12.59 | Qhestion | a_meteorite: that would force repackaging. |
| 09:13.09 | a_meteorite | ah |
| 09:13.10 | L4m3r | latest version package is broken in distro foo; release new version to fix package |
| 09:13.20 | L4m3r | most of the reason for 2.0.10 |
| 09:13.26 | L4m3r | (debian) |
| 09:14.30 | Qhestion | k, thanks for helping |
| 09:14.32 | Qhestion | :q |
| 09:14.38 | Qhestion | ah no wait, this is not Vim |
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| 09:15.23 | L4m3r | lol |
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| 15:05.14 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r16480 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/ChangeLog: ChangeLog entry for player slots with hideAdmin fix. |
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| 15:09.48 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03macsforme * r16481 10/trunk/bzflag/NEWS: ChangeLog entry for player slots with hideAdmin fix. |
| 15:20.49 | KTL | SharedObjectLoader.cxx:59: error: cast from ‘void*’ to ‘int32_t’ loses precision |
| 15:20.49 | KTL | SharedObjectLoader.cxx:82: error: cast from ‘void*’ to ‘int32_t’ loses precision |
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| 15:28.23 | Constitution | KTL: branch or trunk? |
| 15:29.10 | KTL | what is the easiest way to find out? the thing that should be the next bzflag version |
| 15:29.44 | Constitution | so trunk |
| 15:29.57 | Constitution | 2.99? |
| 15:30.21 | KTL | i cant run bzflag -version on something i havent compiled yet, where is the version ? |
| 15:32.18 | KTL | but i ran an svn update |
| 15:33.51 | Constitution | try 'svn info' |
| 15:34.10 | Constitution | if the path is /svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag, then you're in trunk, or 2.99.x |
| 15:34.28 | Constitution | if it's /svnroot/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag, you're in the 2.0 branch |
| 15:48.10 | Constitution | brlcad: ping |
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| 16:15.09 | brlcad | Constitution: pong |
| 16:15.36 | brlcad | also fyi, news lines should fit to 80 and be the user-visible change(s) |
| 16:15.52 | Constitution | brlcad: shall I add the table keys for the list server "servers" table to svn? |
| 16:16.39 | brlcad | which keys? |
| 16:18.39 | Constitution | looks like you added keys for callsign, highscore, lowstrengthindex, highstrengthindex, lowscore, and callsign_2 |
| 16:18.48 | Constitution | to make the stats faster, iirc |
| 16:18.57 | brlcad | ah right |
| 16:19.01 | brlcad | yeah, sure |
| 16:19.08 | Constitution | ok |
| 16:20.11 | Constitution | so my news line was not within the 80 column or not user-visible? |
| 16:20.47 | Constitution | it's visible to admins... I would have thought that qualifies |
| 16:20.59 | brlcad | yes and no |
| 16:21.22 | brlcad | it of course spanned two lines instead of being worded to the one-liner |
| 16:21.30 | Constitution | oh |
| 16:21.32 | brlcad | but was also worded from a dev perspective |
| 16:21.57 | brlcad | yeah, not just wraping to 80 column .. it should be *less* than 80 columns including the author's name |
| 16:23.12 | brlcad | as for the wording, it should describe what it means to a regular user who knows *nothing* about code or conventions |
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| 16:25.43 | whodaman | RPG_, ! |
| 16:26.03 | RPG_ | hey |
| 16:27.17 | RPG_ | what's a good compiler for OSX? |
| 16:28.16 | RPG_ | and by compiler i mean C++ |
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| 20:13.48 | Teppic | Anyone got tips for reducing packetloss? |
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| 20:14.31 | Winny | Teppic, get a new internet connection |
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| 20:23.48 | donny_baker | ~seen tannerld |
| 20:23.50 | ibot | tannerld <n=tanner@adsl-068-209-251-067.sip.asm.bellsouth.net> was last seen on IRC in channel ##essy, 6d 10m 58s ago, saying: 'awilcox: http://www.nearingzero.net/screen_res/nz182.jpg'. |
| 20:31.46 | jftsang | what does chathistory do, and how do I use it |
| 20:34.45 | awilcox | ibot: >_< bad ibot. |
| 20:34.48 | jftsang | I keep getting WARNING: unable to load the plugin; C:\Documents and Settings\jftsang\src\bzflag\chathistory.dll |
| 20:35.28 | awilcox | jftsang: what it is: <guess>it lets you log chat history.</guess> how you use: I would assume you install it :P |
| 20:35.55 | jftsang | I figured as much :) and I keep getting a dumb error like that |
| 20:36.32 | JeffM | Teppic, are you on wireless? |
| 20:36.39 | Teppic | No |
| 20:36.42 | Teppic | Cat 6 |
| 20:36.58 | JeffM | then it's probalby not you loosing the packets but upstream |
| 20:37.23 | JeffM | jftsang, did you just like load all the plugins? |
| 20:37.29 | Teppic | I have something wrong with the gateway at the ISP, it takes ages to respond to tracert, and sometimes routes via an internal subnet, most odd.... |
| 20:37.32 | jftsang | no, just chathistory |
| 20:37.46 | jftsang | well, voila :) |
| 20:37.53 | awilcox | Teppic: wrt packetloss, you can disable other programs using the Internet (irc/anti-virus updater/winders update), and/or get a better ISP :) |
| 20:38.11 | JeffM | Teppic, many routers are now set to ignore pings, and such |
| 20:38.38 | JeffM | jftsang, did you read the wiki page on chathistory? |
| 20:38.43 | Teppic | Have none of that stuff running, traffic is at 2k ish, no large packet drops at the firewall..... |
| 20:38.44 | JeffM | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Chathistory |
| 20:38.47 | awilcox | I'm on three nets, so I'm an extreme case, but closing IRC alone brings my packetloss a bit better |
| 20:39.00 | jftsang | yes |
| 20:39.08 | jftsang | I loaded it like this |
| 20:39.11 | jftsang | C:\Documents and Settings\jftsang\src\bzflag>bzfs.exe -password hi -j -loadplugin "C:\Documents and Settings\jftsang\src\bzflag\chathistory.dll" |
| 20:39.22 | JeffM | jftsang, and that did not tell you what it didi? |
| 20:39.31 | awilcox | Teppic: hmm... http://testmy.net/dl-2992 will test your d/l speed, are you getting what you are expecting? |
| 20:39.48 | jftsang | that told me what it did alright.. but it still doesnt like the loading it |
| 20:40.00 | JeffM | that is a generic error |
| 20:40.04 | JeffM | so ether it can't find it |
| 20:40.07 | JeffM | or the DLL load failed |
| 20:40.27 | JeffM | does that file exist in that exact path? |
| 20:40.41 | Teppic | awilcox , lol my connection is way above all the others on the graph. |
| 20:40.48 | JeffM | jftsang, did you move the plug-in to that path? |
| 20:40.52 | Teppic | It is slow though, I'll check the modem sync.... |
| 20:40.54 | jftsang | yes |
| 20:41.02 | jftsang | it's exactly there |
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| 20:41.11 | JeffM | then you get to debug and find out why it failed |
| 20:41.12 | awilcox | Teppic: heh, glad to hear, mine too :) not sure why you are experiencing packet loss if other services aren't. |
| 20:41.44 | awilcox | jftsang: if you have the Windows Debugger toolkit (which I *highly* doubt you do), you can hook into the kernel and see if DLL_PROCESS_ATTACH is failing. |
| 20:42.00 | Teppic | Hmm, synced at 13400, dl at 5700ish |
| 20:42.05 | awilcox | it's really complex to set up though, so msvc debugger would probably be best. |
| 20:44.04 | JeffM | awilcox, or he coudl start you know small, and just check where in bzflag the error is coming from |
| 20:44.24 | JeffM | cus seriously, just becuase you are writing an OS, that dosn't make everything a kernel level problem. |
| 20:44.34 | Teppic | http://www.speedtest.net/result/185886053.png |
| 20:45.28 | Teppic | ops wrong one. |
| 20:48.59 | JeffM | jftsang, do you run with any debug info |
| 20:49.03 | JeffM | like -d or anything? |
| 20:49.10 | jftsang | no |
| 20:49.13 | JeffM | add one |
| 20:49.19 | JeffM | that will log out what part of the load failed |
| 20:49.45 | jftsang | Plugin:C:\Documents and Settings\jftsang\src\bzflag\chathistory.dll found but expects an older API version (0), upgrade it |
| 20:49.49 | jftsang | :) |
| 20:50.06 | JeffM | something wacky happend when you built your plug-in then |
| 20:50.15 | JeffM | like it picked up the wrong bzfs header |
| 20:50.43 | awilcox | JeffM: I *said* msvc debugger would be best anyways :) |
| 20:51.04 | JeffM | awilcox, simple examiation of the problem is best to start with ;) |
| 20:51.16 | awilcox | good point. |
| 20:51.18 | awilcox | :) |
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| 21:32.19 | jftsang | same thing happened with shockwaveDeath plugin with 2.0.8 to 2.0.11 |
| 21:32.27 | jftsang | has there been a major change in API |
| 21:34.42 | JeffM | nope |
| 21:34.58 | JeffM | do you have 2.9.x on your system too? |
| 21:35.01 | jftsang | nn-main: sent you a PM |
| 21:35.05 | jftsang | yes, I do |
| 21:35.10 | Winny | they actually turned the whole thing into AOL speak |
| 21:35.12 | jftsang | it's very out of the way |
| 21:35.24 | JeffM | is it's API header somehow in the path? |
| 21:35.32 | JeffM | did you add anything like that to the default VC paths? |
| 21:35.44 | jftsang | yes, but not to the 2.9.x path |
| 21:35.48 | jftsang | *header |
| 21:35.57 | JeffM | what did you add to the default VC paths? |
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| 21:36.36 | jftsang | I copied the files to C:\bzfsapi |
| 21:37.04 | JeffM | so you didn't build them from our plugins dir? |
| 21:37.30 | jftsang | yes I did |
| 21:37.38 | jftsang | but I copied the API header to bzfsapi |
| 21:37.45 | JeffM | why? |
| 21:38.01 | jftsang | I was high on (don't laugh) water at the time |
| 21:38.24 | JeffM | well whatever, your plug-ins did not build correctly |
| 21:38.29 | JeffM | they are not using a good API header |
| 21:38.45 | JeffM | that's where the macro for the version method is stored. |
| 21:39.22 | jftsang | I'll take a look tomorrow |
| 21:39.31 | jftsang | I'll get more water now |
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| 23:56.00 | CIA-25 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16482 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC8/ (bzadmin.vcproj bzflag.vcproj platform.vcproj): make release and debug build out of the box with current SDKs |
