| 00:05.02 | JeffM | hmm I need a good sound to play when the client thinks it gets hit but before you asplode |
| 00:05.40 | Winny | one of those "whomp whomp" things? :p |
| 00:06.11 | JeffM | like a thump |
| 00:06.11 | JeffM | or ping |
| 00:06.19 | KTL | and a sound that plays when you point to a friendly |
| 00:06.23 | KTL | to warn you |
| 00:06.40 | JeffM | I mean a NEW sound |
| 00:06.44 | JeffM | for this new state |
| 00:08.25 | JeffM | wonder how teamgrab sounds backwards :) |
| 00:08.50 | JeffM | too common |
| 00:09.04 | JeffM | this will be when you have goten hit, but the server hasn't said that you need to die |
| 00:09.12 | JeffM | since it will be possible to NOT die |
| 00:09.35 | Winny | ahh |
| 00:09.36 | JeffM | stage one of the grand plan |
| 00:09.43 | Winny | getting the server side tracking ready? :) |
| 00:09.47 | JeffM | no |
| 00:09.51 | JeffM | that's stage 2 |
| 00:10.39 | JeffM | first it's to get the client to just say "I got shot" |
| 00:10.50 | JeffM | and have the server then tell everyone what happend because of that |
| 00:10.52 | JeffM | death or whatever |
| 00:10.59 | KTL | are your worried a lot about copyrights? |
| 00:11.13 | JeffM | then implement server side tracking and have the server compute the death as well |
| 00:11.21 | JeffM | then it can match them up with what real clients say |
| 00:11.29 | JeffM | so we can see how good our computations are |
| 00:11.31 | KTL | because where can one get a sound even if it is only a second long ... while being sure it is legal |
| 00:11.42 | JeffM | if they are cool, we can send out the death first before the got shot and it'll be cool |
| 00:11.52 | JeffM | KTL: it has to be legal |
| 00:11.56 | JeffM | and LGPlable |
| 00:12.07 | JeffM | and copyrightable by timable |
| 00:12.32 | Winny | hmm |
| 00:12.35 | KTL | so ... someone has to make it from scratch allmost, or search a library on the net with lgpl sounds |
| 00:12.46 | JeffM | or the as of yet unmade bzflag foundation for kids that don't shoot so good. |
| 00:13.26 | Winny | JeffM, bass guitar work? Something like a really quick 3 note run |
| 00:13.35 | JeffM | dunno |
| 00:14.11 | JeffM | I can use land.wav right now and give it some reverb |
| 00:14.49 | KTL | so you could have a situation you think you got hit, but are still driving and by lag the server reports only later that you had to die and you explode in mid field |
| 00:15.03 | JeffM | the lag would have to be REALY bad |
| 00:15.19 | JeffM | thats why I want to break it up into chunks to see how bad it is |
| 00:15.37 | JeffM | in the end it should only be a 1/2 lag time |
| 00:15.44 | JeffM | if the server state is accurate |
| 00:15.47 | JeffM | but that needs testing |
| 00:15.54 | KTL | suppose 2 st's bump into each other by surprise, the reaction speed can save you, but with this system the slightest amount of lag makes 2 kills |
| 00:15.56 | JeffM | and for testing we need hit reporting :) |
| 00:16.21 | JeffM | KTL: right now all the shots are off by 2x lag anyway |
| 00:16.23 | JeffM | yours and theres |
| 00:16.31 | JeffM | this would make that lag time less |
| 00:16.44 | JeffM | but again, this is all for TESTING |
| 00:16.45 | KTL | oki |
| 00:17.14 | JeffM | 3.0 shows you where the shots actualy are on everyone's screen |
| 00:17.22 | JeffM | in 2.0.x they are not correct |
| 00:17.23 | Winny | http://bzfusion.net/bzflag.org/Gotshot.wav <-- dunno |
| 00:18.19 | KTL | i cant hear it |
| 00:18.29 | KTL | ah oki |
| 00:19.07 | JeffM | the core problem I fear with 3.0 is not going to be a technical one, but one of untraining people to compensate for lag when they aim |
| 00:19.12 | Flash | how about a grunt.. "uhhhn" |
| 00:20.51 | JeffM | need a BBGun shooting a tin can :) |
| 00:21.00 | JeffM | that'd be a good sound |
| 00:22.08 | Winny | hmm, I wish finale did more systhesis of non-instrumental things |
| 00:22.11 | KTL | the metallic sound? |
| 00:23.43 | KTL | ow JeffM, i missed the whole 16 24 32 bit talk her above but whatever you did: Could not set Video Mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual. |
| 00:23.43 | KTL | ERROR: Unable to initialize an OpenGL renderer |
| 00:24.31 | blast007 | KTL: what graphics card and driver? |
| 00:24.34 | JeffM | so your openGL implementation is not standards compliant under linux? |
| 00:24.57 | JeffM | and are you building with or with out SDL? |
| 00:25.03 | KTL | geforce 7900 GT/GTO |
| 00:25.09 | KTL | nvidia driver |
| 00:25.09 | JeffM | what driver? |
| 00:25.18 | JeffM | guess linux sucks then |
| 00:25.29 | KTL | and i did nothing about configuring sdl |
| 00:25.33 | blast007 | meh... maybe I'll go boot up my laptop then... |
| 00:25.37 | JeffM | do you HAVE sdl? |
| 00:25.43 | JeffM | the sdl dev lib? |
| 00:25.50 | blast007 | see if it bombs on my 7600GT under linux |
| 00:26.41 | JeffM | k |
| 00:26.51 | KTL | libsdl1.2-dev is installed |
| 00:26.53 | JeffM | cus I don't mind clamping it, inside of platform |
| 00:27.45 | KTL | i see a bunch of sdl .so's in /usr/lib so i guess i got it |
| 00:27.48 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16608 10/trunk/bzflag/src/platform/SDLVisual.cxx: clamp SDL depth buffers to 24 bits cus linux sucks ;) |
| 00:27.54 | JeffM | try that KTL |
| 00:28.06 | JeffM | or install windows |
| 00:28.13 | KTL | mmpf |
| 00:28.43 | KTL | works |
| 00:29.21 | Winny | hehe |
| 00:29.47 | blast007 | windows > linux |
| 00:29.52 | blast007 | finally proof! |
| 00:29.56 | JeffM | very much bigtime |
| 00:30.13 | JeffM | aww what's a matter linux, openGL standards too hard for you?..... ;) |
| 00:30.29 | KTL | euhm ... nvidia binaries |
| 00:30.38 | JeffM | it was x that faild |
| 00:30.50 | JeffM | X should have bumped down the reqest for the context |
| 00:31.02 | JeffM | tho MOST likely, it's SDL |
| 00:31.10 | JeffM | not linux itself |
| 00:31.13 | JeffM | or nvidia |
| 00:31.27 | JeffM | SDL should run and get the best possible context |
| 00:31.59 | JeffM | or at least check caps and clamp if it knows XGL won't do it for it |
| 00:32.43 | blast007 | wow... I didn't even have svn installed on my linux lappy yet.. |
| 00:47.10 | TD-Linux | I noticed that today in a totally different program |
| 00:47.20 | TD-Linux | 32 bit depth buffer doesn't work with my nvidia :( |
| 00:47.34 | TD-Linux | nvidia has their own opengl implementation I think |
| 00:47.38 | TD-Linux | on linux |
| 00:51.11 | Winny | What would happen if I changed the protocol version in 3.0 to be the same as 2.0? Would it work? |
| 00:51.36 | KTL | with the risk that the servers crash too no? |
| 00:52.01 | Winny | Well I would obviously join one of my own non populated servers |
| 00:53.55 | blast007 | Winny: it would definately not work |
| 00:53.57 | me1 | win xp: it doesn't even show the serverlist |
| 00:54.03 | KTL | bwa no i would recommend to join some ctf server where individual skills dont matter anymore due to too many genocides |
| 00:54.14 | Winny | blast007, awww |
| 00:54.25 | blast007 | our "protocol" is not just a number :P |
| 00:54.41 | KTL | and the chevrons |
| 00:54.44 | blast007 | backport them |
| 00:54.55 | KTL | ow winny i go online with the trunk i want to see you on radar |
| 00:57.53 | KTL | Winny, how did you log out? |
| 00:57.56 | KTL | because you went nr |
| 00:58.12 | Winny | I did log out |
| 00:58.16 | KTL | nr |
| 00:58.33 | Winny | http://bzfusion.net/bzflag/tanks/bzfi1150.png <-- yay |
| 00:58.37 | KTL | and the dark sphere around you being nr was shining, phong shading on it or that short |
| 00:58.45 | KTL | waaw |
| 00:58.55 | KTL | see how fancy i am |
| 00:59.22 | KTL | but i did not see you that way, you played with it |
| 00:59.41 | me1 | I get this error when trying to build trunk "No rule to make target `bzsignal.c', needed by `bzsignal.lo'. Stop. " on /src/common |
| 01:00.15 | me1 | does that mean anything? |
| 01:14.01 | blast007 | meh, svn trunk is failing to build for me during part of freetype |
| 01:14.40 | blast007 | when it's trying to build ./src/other/freetype/src/gzip/ftgzip.c, it fails because it can't find zlib.h |
| 01:16.37 | blast007 | works after I installed a system-level zlib dev package |
| 01:18.15 | JeffM | Winny: it woudln't even connect |
| 01:18.36 | JeffM | we now do client push instead of server push for the connection start |
| 01:19.25 | Winny | ah |
| 01:19.27 | JeffM | KTL: no phong shading in BZ |
| 01:19.30 | JeffM | we don't use shaders |
| 01:19.40 | KTL | what was the blinking effect ? |
| 01:19.52 | JeffM | blinking ;) |
| 01:19.59 | KTL | ah right :) |
| 01:20.33 | JeffM | we only do Gouraud shading |
| 01:20.48 | JeffM | phong needs to interpolate the normal at every pixel |
| 01:20.51 | blast007 | do I need to have the system level libcurl to build on linux? |
| 01:21.09 | JeffM | not for trunk |
| 01:21.15 | blast007 | well, then it's broken |
| 01:21.35 | JeffM | Winny: you can't |
| 01:21.50 | Winny | it's just 3 rings, I can get the same "look" |
| 01:21.57 | blast007 | I've had to install the system level zlib already |
| 01:21.59 | JeffM | they arn't rings |
| 01:21.59 | Winny | I know, no extend-a-bullet on ricos :) |
| 01:22.03 | JeffM | they care capsules |
| 01:22.10 | JeffM | so they won't look right end on end |
| 01:22.24 | Winny | I'm just going for the ringed look |
| 01:22.37 | JeffM | backport the geometry |
| 01:22.40 | JeffM | it's not that complex |
| 01:22.43 | JeffM | should just dropin |
| 01:23.23 | Winny | 2.0.11 won't compile on VC9 for some reason, so I can't, really |
| 01:23.49 | JeffM | get VC8ee |
| 01:23.59 | JeffM | or I'll look at the 9 issues |
| 01:24.01 | JeffM | in a bit |
| 01:27.47 | *** part/#bzflag me1 (n=mkumykov@pool-71-174-48-81.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 01:35.16 | *** join/#bzflag delusional (n=delusion@pool-151-201-222-62.pitt.east.verizon.net) |
| 01:38.29 | Winny | where are the bullets? I'm not exactly farmillar with the layout of the source |
| 01:39.25 | JeffM | bolt sceen node |
| 01:42.14 | Winny | ah |
| 01:46.21 | Winny | would it work if I copied the contents from one BoltSceneNode.cxx to the other, or do I need to move header files too? |
| 01:47.02 | JeffM | it's probalby more then just copying the contents |
| 01:47.08 | JeffM | you'll ahve to look at each method |
| 01:47.14 | JeffM | and see what changed |
| 01:47.27 | Winny | whee |
| 01:56.19 | *** join/#bzflag Eliott (n=tora@66.236.181.222.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 01:56.21 | Eliott | hi all |
| 01:56.27 | Constitution | hi |
| 01:56.52 | Eliott | so I am still trying to compile 2.99 on VC9, but I got a ton of unresolved symbols |
| 01:57.15 | JeffM | did you install the platform SDK? |
| 01:57.37 | Eliott | I talked with JeffM yesterday, and apparently I was missing the windows platform sdk .. but when i go to the link which is in the readme , it brings me back to the download page for VC== express |
| 01:58.12 | JeffM | http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=0BAF2B35-C656-4969-ACE8-E4C0C0716ADB&displaylang=en |
| 01:58.50 | Eliott | hhhaaaaa |
| 01:58.56 | Eliott | this one is not the one in the readme |
| 01:59.00 | Eliott | i ll give it a shot |
| 01:59.01 | JeffM | proably not |
| 01:59.09 | JeffM | that's just from a simple google search |
| 01:59.09 | Eliott | thx .. you ll see me again in a little while once i m done doing this |
| 01:59.48 | Eliott | yeah, i tried that, but when i saw the Windows Server 2003 .. i dropped it |
| 01:59.51 | Eliott | it s the same i found |
| 01:59.53 | Eliott | but i have WinXP |
| 02:00.07 | JeffM | the SDK suports UP TO server 2k3 |
| 02:00.13 | Eliott | i m so damn mad... someone broke into my rental car last night and stole my gps .. |
| 02:00.19 | Eliott | oh, ok , did not know that |
| 02:00.54 | JeffM | you'll see all the XP variants listed under the suported operating systems section |
| 02:05.20 | *** join/#bzflag mci47 (n=mci47@mo-65-40-188-223.dyn.embarqhsd.net) |
| 02:06.14 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16609 10/trunk/bzflag/README.WINDOWS: direct link to a windows platform SDK rather then the one buried in the VC EE site. |
| 02:09.11 | *** join/#bzflag Suspect (n=Suspect@68-113-160-034.dhcp.plt.ny.charter.com) |
| 02:20.23 | *** join/#bzflag whodaman- (n=whodaman@pdpc/supporter/student/whodaman-) |
| 02:24.45 | *** join/#bzflag me1 (n=khazhy@pool-96-237-103-212.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 02:29.39 | *** join/#bzflag hamburger (n=4c1f24d8@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 02:30.40 | *** join/#bzflag AHA (n=aha@unaffiliated/aha) |
| 02:50.23 | *** join/#bzflag Ride (n=4724da50@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 03:21.30 | *** part/#bzflag me1 (n=khazhy@pool-96-237-103-212.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 03:30.28 | Eliott | ppfff |
| 03:30.33 | Eliott | just finished downloading the sdk |
| 03:31.55 | Eliott | now i have a ton of error in game.lib , with still the unresolved external symbols |
| 03:32.02 | Eliott | do I have to add some paths again in VC ? |
| 03:32.04 | Eliott | I guess so .. |
| 03:33.12 | JeffM | yep |
| 03:33.20 | Eliott | i have 2 new folders ... |
| 03:33.28 | Eliott | microsoft platform sdk for windows |
| 03:33.31 | Eliott | and |
| 03:33.36 | Eliott | microsoft SDKs |
| 03:33.43 | Eliott | so which LIB do I add ? |
| 03:33.46 | Eliott | both ?:D |
| 03:33.49 | JeffM | I'd just do both |
| 03:33.52 | Eliott | ok |
| 03:36.03 | Eliott | hhhhhaarrggll |
| 03:36.11 | Eliott | lib has only a x64 folder |
| 03:36.15 | Eliott | @#$)(@*#$ |
| 03:36.40 | JeffM | did you do the full platform SDK install? |
| 03:36.57 | Eliott | i think so |
| 03:37.02 | Eliott | it never ask me for any platform |
| 03:37.06 | Eliott | i just hit next / next / next |
| 03:37.17 | JeffM | what is the full path to the dir you are looking at? |
| 03:38.06 | Eliott | so I have one c:/program files / microsoft paltform sdk for windows / lib |
| 03:38.18 | Eliott | this one has only adm64 , ia64, and windows 95 |
| 03:38.27 | JeffM | and do you have an environment variable called FrameworkSDKDir now? |
| 03:38.37 | JeffM | the platform SDK should have set that up for you |
| 03:38.43 | JeffM | if so you can just use that in VC |
| 03:38.54 | Eliott | the other folder is c / prog. files / microsoft SDKs / V6.0A / lib / x64 |
| 03:39.02 | JeffM | $(FrameworkSDKDir)include |
| 03:39.10 | Eliott | where do i find that / |
| 03:39.20 | JeffM | in your system environmnet variables |
| 03:39.26 | Eliott | let me check |
| 03:39.27 | JeffM | right click on my computer |
| 03:39.30 | JeffM | properties |
| 03:39.35 | JeffM | advanced |
| 03:39.41 | JeffM | environment vars button |
| 03:40.03 | JeffM | There should also be a WindowsSDKDir variable |
| 03:40.03 | *** join/#bzflag AAA_awright (n=AAA_awri@wsip-68-14-251-102.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 03:40.19 | JeffM | you may not have the framework one |
| 03:42.59 | Eliott | hhaaa |
| 03:43.11 | Eliott | my bad |
| 03:43.22 | Eliott | i clicked on the first one without reading |
| 03:43.24 | Eliott | rrhhaa |
| 03:43.49 | JeffM | huh? |
| 03:43.55 | JeffM | dude, can't read your mind |
| 03:44.00 | JeffM | or infer things from babble |
| 03:45.10 | Eliott | there is 3 links with download buttons on the SDK page |
| 03:45.32 | Eliott | the first button is at the bottom of my screen , and everything else is below, but i can t see it. ... and I did not scroll down |
| 03:45.38 | Eliott | I was expecting a "what doy ou want to install" |
| 03:46.21 | JeffM | if you want to learn programing you better start geting used to reading instructions. |
| 03:46.25 | JeffM | all of them |
| 03:46.52 | Eliott | yeah, i do that already in my job all day long |
| 03:47.00 | JeffM | what do you do? |
| 03:47.06 | Eliott | i m a pilot, lol |
| 03:47.18 | JeffM | I know no pilots that lol |
| 03:47.39 | Eliott | all the check lists before take off, cruising flight, before landing, etc etc |
| 03:47.48 | Eliott | and everytime you think you can do it by head |
| 03:47.53 | Eliott | you forget the small stuff |
| 03:47.53 | JeffM | chat carrier? |
| 03:47.57 | JeffM | what charrier? |
| 03:48.08 | Eliott | used to work for AF |
| 03:48.12 | Eliott | work for a private company now |
| 03:48.16 | Eliott | for people with a loooot of $$ :D |
| 03:48.28 | JeffM | out of where? |
| 03:48.36 | Eliott | allaire |
| 03:48.39 | Eliott | KBLM |
| 03:48.44 | JeffM | fun |
| 03:48.48 | Eliott | ex monmouth |
| 03:48.50 | Eliott | yeah, lol |
| 03:48.58 | Eliott | but what you uys do kills me |
| 03:49.08 | Eliott | my friend is an it guy |
| 03:49.08 | JeffM | why do you type like a 15 year old? |
| 03:49.17 | Eliott | what do you mean ? |
| 03:49.23 | JeffM | all the LOL |
| 03:49.35 | Eliott | maybe cause i've been using internet since 1998 ? |
| 03:49.42 | Eliott | or 1996 |
| 03:49.43 | blast007 | he's trying to blend in with the bzflag playerbase |
| 03:49.44 | JeffM | doubtfull ;) |
| 03:49.46 | Eliott | back at school |
| 03:49.48 | JeffM | heh |
| 03:50.02 | JeffM | well programing and IT are very different |
| 03:50.33 | Eliott | yeah, but everytime i go to his place, he shows me new stuff, linux, mac os x .. i like it, i wish i could do that on the side .. |
| 03:50.58 | JeffM | ain't that hard |
| 03:51.14 | Eliott | he tried to got me into programming when i told him we (or HE) should create a online log book for pilots |
| 03:51.20 | Eliott | for you.. |
| 03:51.23 | Eliott | i m 35 dude .. |
| 03:51.32 | JeffM | so am I |
| 03:51.45 | Eliott | ok, but you've done that all your life maybe ? |
| 03:51.50 | JeffM | nope |
| 03:51.59 | Eliott | then u r good |
| 03:51.59 | JeffM | don't even have a degree |
| 03:52.07 | Eliott | me nether |
| 03:52.10 | JeffM | and I can even fly a plane |
| 03:52.12 | spldart | Wow... how hard would it be to include a teamshot against the shooter too? SH loss cuz of teamshot doesn't even record with the tk patch |
| 03:52.24 | Eliott | JeffM, you fly too ? GA ? |
| 03:52.26 | JeffM | spldart: huh? |
| 03:52.27 | spldart | OMG... sorry |
| 03:52.41 | JeffM | Eliott: not in a while, my father sold the plane |
| 03:52.54 | Eliott | JeffM, sweet.. what kind ? |
| 03:53.04 | JeffM | and I don't have a garage to build another |
| 03:53.12 | JeffM | Baking Duce |
| 03:53.13 | spldart | bzfs patch and some checkouts you get a admin message for each tk.. but if a teamate pops you with the SH flag there is no message or repercussion |
| 03:53.32 | JeffM | spldart: sounds like the patch is bad |
| 03:53.37 | spldart | Ah |
| 03:53.42 | JeffM | tho that's all plug-in stuff anyway |
| 03:53.50 | JeffM | since they get all kills |
| 03:54.20 | spldart | Clarification... they shoot you once.. you loose flag.. but they don't shoot you twice... yo didn't die |
| 03:54.34 | JeffM | ahh |
| 03:54.37 | JeffM | that'd be why thyen |
| 03:54.38 | blast007 | 2.0.x might not track that |
| 03:54.41 | JeffM | shield hits arn't sent to the server |
| 03:54.45 | JeffM | that's client only |
| 03:54.48 | spldart | OOoooohhh |
| 03:54.51 | spldart | That explains that |
| 03:54.52 | JeffM | that's part of what I'm changin |
| 03:55.01 | JeffM | every hit will go to the server for action |
| 03:55.06 | spldart | Ok.. thanks.. that explains it completely |
| 03:55.48 | blast007 | JeffM: sweet! so now we can add if (player->callsign == "blast") theyDied = false; |
| 03:56.05 | JeffM | that'd be part of suckit.so |
| 03:56.16 | JeffM | since it'll all be API hooked ;) |
| 03:57.08 | blast007 | yay |
| 03:57.41 | blast007 | /loadplugin cowlauncher.so |
| 03:58.21 | Eliott | back |
| 03:58.34 | Eliott | JeffM, whoa.. do you have pics of the plane ? |
| 03:58.42 | JeffM | nope |
| 03:58.49 | blast007 | pics or it didn't happen |
| 03:58.50 | Eliott | where do you live, in the US ? |
| 03:58.55 | JeffM | california |
| 03:59.01 | Eliott | do you know how much he sold it ? |
| 03:59.08 | Eliott | was it like crazy expensive ? |
| 03:59.08 | JeffM | not exactly |
| 03:59.11 | JeffM | naw |
| 03:59.13 | Eliott | or like $15k ? |
| 03:59.24 | JeffM | it was the plane and half the hangar |
| 03:59.38 | JeffM | it's only a 2 seater tail drager |
| 03:59.38 | Eliott | i d like to buy a plane too some day.. but they pay us shit |
| 03:59.49 | JeffM | please watch your language here, for a second time |
| 04:00.16 | spldart | woah.. My broh had a tail dragger kit with a v6 volvo power plant.. neat little ride |
| 04:00.39 | JeffM | indeed, car engines are becoming more popular in homebuilts |
| 04:00.47 | JeffM | just don't fly upside down ;) |
| 04:00.57 | Eliott | cessna is validating diesel engines |
| 04:01.04 | Eliott | can't wait to see that coming in the states |
| 04:01.15 | JeffM | avgas costs too much |
| 04:01.32 | spldart | LOL |
| 04:01.51 | Eliott | i m moving to CA probably this summer |
| 04:01.56 | JeffM | fun |
| 04:02.16 | Eliott | more $$ over there apparently |
| 04:03.02 | a_meteorite | and everything costs a lot more |
| 04:03.04 | JeffM | what part of CA? |
| 04:03.13 | JeffM | a_meteorite: depends where |
| 04:03.34 | Eliott | probably around LA.. Calabasas , santa clarita , something like that in LA county |
| 04:03.39 | Eliott | yeah |
| 04:03.43 | Eliott | everybody tells me that .. |
| 04:03.46 | JeffM | that will cost a lot more |
| 04:03.47 | Eliott | is EVERYTHING more expensive ? |
| 04:03.54 | JeffM | yeah prety much |
| 04:03.56 | Eliott | or are we talking only about housing, gas ? |
| 04:04.11 | Eliott | like if I buy something here in NJ at Best Buy , it s going to cost the same over there, right ? |
| 04:04.20 | JeffM | depends what it is |
| 04:04.20 | Eliott | I was thinking maybe onlly housing, gas, and food would be more ? |
| 04:04.26 | JeffM | hardware can be cheaper |
| 04:04.41 | JeffM | you'd have to give me somethign to compare to |
| 04:04.56 | Eliott | ok, hold on |
| 04:05.09 | a_meteorite | housing, gas, electricity, food... yeah, the necessities are usually much more expensive around here |
| 04:05.25 | JeffM | a_meteorite: your here is not my here ;) |
| 04:05.25 | a_meteorite | *especially* housing |
| 04:05.32 | JeffM | it's NOT a small state |
| 04:05.41 | a_meteorite | JeffM: I know, but for the most part |
| 04:05.52 | a_meteorite | in LA county though, dunno... I think housing is cheaper there |
| 04:05.56 | JeffM | nope |
| 04:06.05 | JeffM | you have to go rural to be cheaper |
| 04:06.14 | a_meteorite | k |
| 04:06.15 | JeffM | mojave, etc.. |
| 04:06.23 | a_meteorite | yeah I've heard out there housing is cheap |
| 04:06.23 | JeffM | but even in LA county it varies |
| 04:06.35 | JeffM | compare landcaster to downtown, and it's a huge diff |
| 04:06.40 | JeffM | and that's all LA county |
| 04:06.42 | a_meteorite | a 2-3 bedroom around here can easily go $600k+ |
| 04:07.09 | JeffM | and you are where again? |
| 04:07.10 | a_meteorite | san luis obispo county |
| 04:07.21 | JeffM | wine country |
| 04:07.24 | JeffM | that'd be why |
| 04:07.40 | a_meteorite | mmhmm |
| 04:07.54 | JeffM | and I doubt they actualy SELL for that these days |
| 04:08.06 | JeffM | thats what people would like to have them sell for |
| 04:08.09 | a_meteorite | santa barbara county (southern part) is even worse I hear |
| 04:08.20 | a_meteorite | yeah, the housing market isn't doing so well |
| 04:08.27 | JeffM | sure it is |
| 04:08.30 | JeffM | for buyers ;) |
| 04:08.33 | a_meteorite | heh |
| 04:08.50 | spldart | Buyers with real moneyh |
| 04:08.59 | JeffM | or real financing |
| 04:09.01 | Eliott | ok |
| 04:09.10 | spldart | real financing is getting scarce3 |
| 04:09.12 | Eliott | so regular cost me yesterday $3.20 / GAL |
| 04:09.20 | JeffM | bout the same |
| 04:09.26 | spldart | woah... |
| 04:09.31 | JeffM | maybe a tad less |
| 04:09.32 | spldart | 2.81 for cheap here |
| 04:09.32 | Eliott | but hold on |
| 04:09.36 | spldart | SE tx |
| 04:09.41 | Eliott | if everyone says it is SO much more expensive |
| 04:09.52 | Eliott | don t tell me that people over there are all making $200K + !? |
| 04:09.53 | JeffM | you are in NJ now? |
| 04:10.18 | Eliott | I mean, I saw on line that it's more expensive, but people make less than in NYC or NJ ? |
| 04:10.27 | a_meteorite | um, yeah, 200k only if you're in a professional field |
| 04:10.34 | JeffM | a_meteorite: not even then |
| 04:10.42 | spldart | Jeff is a pro :) |
| 04:10.45 | JeffM | noone at my company makes that |
| 04:11.01 | Eliott | yeah, but does this mean that everybody who makes $85k - are hardly living ? |
| 04:11.02 | a_meteorite | I mean attorney (possibly, you'd gotta be a damn good one), judge... |
| 04:11.11 | a_meteorite | Eliott: that's still above median |
| 04:11.19 | Eliott | so what's the average over there ? |
| 04:11.27 | Eliott | what's a 'good' salary for LA county ? |
| 04:11.32 | a_meteorite | we get like 14k/yr |
| 04:11.33 | JeffM | depends on what you do |
| 04:11.45 | JeffM | 14k, how do you live? |
| 04:11.46 | a_meteorite | we live, not good, but we live |
| 04:11.51 | JeffM | wow |
| 04:11.53 | a_meteorite | JeffM: SSI, section 8 |
| 04:11.58 | JeffM | I'm above 14k |
| 04:11.59 | blast007 | JeffM: more importantly, why does he have macs |
| 04:12.04 | Eliott | what s SSI section 8 ? |
| 04:12.09 | JeffM | that's like fast food wages |
| 04:12.18 | a_meteorite | my mom's disabled, I barely get ANY child support |
| 04:12.24 | a_meteorite | so that's SSI and child support |
| 04:12.31 | a_meteorite | section 8 helps with housing in apartments that take it |
| 04:12.33 | JeffM | time to get a jorb then |
| 04:12.41 | Eliott | a_meteorite, but do you work ? |
| 04:12.43 | JeffM | so you can't realy use your situation as "average" |
| 04:12.57 | a_meteorite | I ran out of PIC hours, I was was working for the school district |
| 04:13.07 | JeffM | get a real job |
| 04:13.08 | JeffM | ;) |
| 04:13.15 | a_meteorite | once I finish up my driver's license, I'll probably be getting full time there... gonna find a job in the meantime |
| 04:13.22 | a_meteorite | full benefits, ~$11/hr |
| 04:13.26 | Eliott | a_meteorite, how old are you ? |
| 04:13.27 | a_meteorite | for level 1 |
| 04:13.30 | a_meteorite | Eliott: 17 |
| 04:13.33 | Eliott | oh |
| 04:13.34 | Eliott | dude |
| 04:13.36 | Eliott | you scared |
| 04:13.36 | Eliott | me |
| 04:13.46 | Winny | haha |
| 04:13.52 | JeffM | like I say, he's not average |
| 04:13.52 | a_meteorite | why did I scare you? |
| 04:13.55 | Eliott | 17, no rush |
| 04:14.05 | Eliott | a_meteorite, i though you were like 30+ with kids, lol |
| 04:14.10 | a_meteorite | heh... |
| 04:14.15 | Constitution | lol? |
| 04:14.20 | JeffM | that is a horible thought |
| 04:14.25 | blast007 | heh |
| 04:14.35 | Eliott | JeffM, what ?having kids ? |
| 04:14.41 | a_meteorite | no, *me* having them |
| 04:14.44 | JeffM | him ;) |
| 04:14.47 | JeffM | and being 30 |
| 04:14.55 | Eliott | tsk tsk tsk |
| 04:15.02 | JeffM | Eliott: many here are much younger |
| 04:15.07 | Eliott | I'm getting married in May |
| 04:15.12 | spldart | And some are much older |
| 04:15.17 | blast007 | and some of them act even younger |
| 04:15.21 | a_meteorite | haha |
| 04:15.27 | Eliott | JeffM, yeah, I was on IRC while they were in their mom's belly |
| 04:15.28 | spldart | I may have the record kid count for #bzflag though |
| 04:15.43 | JeffM | you? |
| 04:15.44 | Winny | spldart: 42? |
| 04:15.54 | Eliott | 42 is the answer |
| 04:15.58 | JeffM | spldart: I thought you had 3 |
| 04:16.00 | spldart | LOL... I may have the record kid count now age |
| 04:16.03 | spldart | 5 |
| 04:16.10 | Eliott | woa, congrats man |
| 04:16.15 | JeffM | no wonder you is poor |
| 04:16.15 | spldart | Brady bunch situation |
| 04:16.15 | Eliott | how old ? |
| 04:16.19 | spldart | lmao |
| 04:16.22 | a_meteorite | and he has time for IRC, imagine that.. |
| 04:16.30 | Winny | he can't keep his wife off him |
| 04:16.30 | Winny | :P |
| 04:16.33 | AHA | lol |
| 04:16.37 | spldart | I have a kid as old as you A_ |
| 04:16.50 | JeffM | Winny: once I turned off multiple compiles, I was able to build fine on VC9 using branch |
| 04:16.58 | Winny | odd |
| 04:17.08 | JeffM | I got the error on the PDBs when I had more then one going at a time |
| 04:17.11 | JeffM | you can also try release |
| 04:17.16 | JeffM | since that dosnt' do PDBs |
| 04:17.31 | JeffM | branch is not set up to do more then project at a time |
| 04:17.35 | JeffM | trunk is |
| 04:17.52 | JeffM | and no, I don't feel like setting branch up to do that, it was a PITA ;) |
| 04:19.01 | Winny | any idea where VC 9 stores it's libs? |
| 04:19.08 | JeffM | what libs? |
| 04:19.10 | *** join/#bzflag TimRiker (n=timr@rikers.org) |
| 04:19.10 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 04:19.11 | Winny | it seems like it has misplaced curl |
| 04:19.18 | JeffM | it didn't come with curl |
| 04:19.25 | Winny | I know, I added it |
| 04:19.25 | JeffM | you should not put curl in the VC dir |
| 04:19.30 | JeffM | you should add a dir to VC |
| 04:19.34 | JeffM | it's a lot easier |
| 04:19.39 | JeffM | OR |
| 04:19.48 | JeffM | throw the curl lib in the VC8 dir in branch |
| 04:19.50 | JeffM | that's fine |
| 04:19.54 | JeffM | it's in the path allreadh |
| 04:20.06 | JeffM | I just throw the .lib and the CURL include dir in there |
| 04:20.13 | JeffM | makes it easy to build on branch |
| 04:21.10 | JeffM | god makefiles suck.... |
| 04:23.34 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16610 10/trunk/bzflag/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 04:23.34 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: add a "hit" sound for when the client detects a hit. Played on the hit so that |
| 04:23.34 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: when the server does hit response we can judge the time accordingly. Also useful |
| 04:23.34 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: for shield, and non lethal hit responses such as thief, and freeze tag ( with |
| 04:23.34 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: plug-in) |
| 04:23.47 | Winny | hmm, so put libcurl.lib and the "include" dir in the VC8 dir? |
| 04:24.02 | JeffM | not the include dir, the dir in include that says CURL |
| 04:24.04 | JeffM | but yeah |
| 04:24.18 | JeffM | by default the proiejct searches there for the config.h |
| 04:24.22 | JeffM | so it can just pick those up ;) |
| 04:25.47 | Winny | cool, it works |
| 04:25.49 | Winny | :) |
| 04:27.13 | *** join/#bzflag SKGD23 (i=4586e357@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-be0a552fc7bd1c60) |
| 04:28.09 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16611 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: play the hit sound if we detect a hit upon our person, but before we do anything about it. |
| 04:31.42 | Winny | I keep getting lots of "conversion from 'time_t' to 'unsigned int', possible loss of data" ... matter much? |
| 04:31.48 | JeffM | NOPE |
| 04:31.52 | JeffM | nope |
| 04:31.57 | Winny | ok |
| 04:32.01 | JeffM | tis just warnings |
| 04:34.13 | Winny | "the application failed to start because MSVCP90D.dll was not found" .. did I mess something up? |
| 04:34.46 | JeffM | how are you trying to run it? |
| 04:34.55 | Winny | popped it in my BZFlag dir |
| 04:35.03 | JeffM | on the same machine? |
| 04:35.11 | Winny | yep |
| 04:35.57 | JeffM | you build debug |
| 04:36.07 | JeffM | and for some reason it can't find the debug runtimes |
| 04:36.14 | JeffM | even tho they should be isntalled into the system dir |
| 04:36.39 | Winny | C:\WINDOWS\system32 ? |
| 04:36.45 | JeffM | something like that |
| 04:36.53 | JeffM | tho for .net they moved them or something |
| 04:38.27 | Winny | how can I build non-debug? |
| 04:38.38 | JeffM | change the target to release |
| 04:38.44 | JeffM | in the pulldown menu on the toolbar |
| 04:38.51 | Winny | ah |
| 04:40.27 | brlcad | arrgh.. head is whacked |
| 04:40.42 | Eliott | JeffM, are you in LA county btw ? |
| 04:40.46 | brlcad | it's corrupted before it gets to main (causes a crash) |
| 04:40.46 | JeffM | nope |
| 04:40.59 | JeffM | brlcad: odd |
| 04:41.01 | brlcad | something is probably wrong in one of the static initializers |
| 04:41.28 | *** join/#bzflag boyserplr (n=80c10f35@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 04:41.31 | JeffM | debuger FTW! |
| 04:41.33 | JeffM | ;) |
| 04:41.48 | brlcad | I've been in the debugger for an hour |
| 04:41.48 | boyserplr | how do you play it? |
| 04:41.56 | Winny | you download "it" |
| 04:42.02 | Winny | http://bzflag.org |
| 04:42.05 | boyserplr | then? |
| 04:42.13 | JeffM | install it |
| 04:42.14 | JeffM | run it |
| 04:42.16 | JeffM | pick a server |
| 04:42.19 | brlcad | took that long just to trace it back that far .. can't easily catch stuff before main is hit |
| 04:42.22 | JeffM | shoot people that are not the same color as you. |
| 04:42.28 | boyserplr | whats server? |
| 04:42.40 | JeffM | there are over 200 servers |
| 04:42.42 | Winny | a place where you play |
| 04:42.43 | JeffM | you pick one |
| 04:42.50 | JeffM | they are sorted by players |
| 04:42.52 | JeffM | most on the top |
| 04:43.13 | boyserplr | i tryed but it sayed not found |
| 04:43.24 | JeffM | it? |
| 04:43.26 | JeffM | we can't read your mind |
| 04:43.36 | JeffM | you are going to have to comunicate clearly if you wish for us to help you. |
| 04:43.57 | boyserplr | i tried to find what my server is but i dont get server |
| 04:44.16 | JeffM | have you installed the game? |
| 04:44.22 | boyserplr | no |
| 04:44.25 | Winny | .... |
| 04:44.30 | Winny | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Download |
| 04:44.32 | JeffM | then you have not done anything with a server |
| 04:44.38 | JeffM | get your parents to help you |
| 04:44.45 | boyserplr | how do i install |
| 04:44.46 | JeffM | how did you find out about bzflag? |
| 04:45.10 | JeffM | if you don't know how to install a program on your computer, get your parents to help you |
| 04:46.22 | boyserplr | 1. start 2. games 3. unsuppoeorted games 4. bz. flag 2.o8 |
| 04:46.36 | JeffM | boyserplr: that dosn't make sense |
| 04:46.43 | JeffM | get help from your parents |
| 04:46.48 | JeffM | or please comunicate clearly |
| 04:47.06 | boyserplr | ill trie thanks ALOT! |
| 04:49.35 | Winny | hmm, even on the release build I get MSVCP90.dll not found.. /me searchs various folders for it |
| 04:49.53 | JeffM | that's the VC9 runtimes |
| 04:50.48 | Eliott | JeffM, does it makes sence that the folder is c:/prog.files/Microsoft SDKs/ Windows/V6.0A/Include/gl ..? |
| 04:51.11 | JeffM | is that were your GL is ? |
| 04:51.34 | Eliott | well.. i just installed the microsoft win. sdk for x86, and this is the new folder i got |
| 04:51.39 | boyserplr | im back |
| 04:52.00 | JeffM | Eliott: I don't know I don't have that dir, but I also never installed that SDK |
| 04:52.13 | Eliott | ok, will give it a shot |
| 04:52.28 | boyserplr | server what does it mean |
| 04:53.04 | JeffM | boyserplr: have you installed the game? |
| 04:53.12 | boyserplr | idk |
| 04:53.17 | JeffM | then GET HELP |
| 04:53.24 | JeffM | you don't care about a server untill you start it |
| 04:53.30 | *** join/#bzflag spldart (n=short_ci@c-98-197-19-35.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) |
| 04:53.33 | JeffM | if you can't do that, then go get help from your parents |
| 04:53.33 | Winny | seriously, we're not here to teach you how to use a computer |
| 04:53.37 | boyserplr | i think i did |
| 04:53.45 | JeffM | how old are you? |
| 04:54.47 | JeffM | thought so |
| 04:56.57 | Winny | yay.. "The application failed to initalize properly (0xc0000142)" |
| 04:57.32 | JeffM | Winny: did you put it into an old 2.0.x dir? |
| 04:57.40 | Winny | yeah, 2.0.10 |
| 04:57.49 | JeffM | dude, that's not going to have the correct data dir |
| 04:58.02 | JeffM | just run it from the root of the source checkout |
| 04:58.06 | JeffM | where the new data dir |
| 04:58.07 | JeffM | is |
| 04:58.37 | JeffM | if the exe isn't there, just copy it there, and the libcurl.dll |
| 04:59.12 | *** join/#bzflag ViciousM (n=max@cpe-024-211-248-161.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 04:59.20 | Winny | err, there aren't any DDLs in the root source dir |
| 04:59.39 | JeffM | why should there be? |
| 05:00.04 | JeffM | all ours libs are static |
| 05:00.07 | JeffM | other then curl |
| 05:03.52 | Winny | "zilb1.dll was not found" now |
| 05:04.01 | JeffM | you used a premade curl didn't you? |
| 05:04.07 | Winny | correct |
| 05:04.07 | JeffM | not the one from trunk |
| 05:04.18 | JeffM | then you need that zlib |
| 05:04.22 | Winny | the one from the cURL site |
| 05:04.30 | JeffM | they don't ship the zlib it's linked to |
| 05:04.36 | JeffM | when we build it we link zlib in staticly |
| 05:04.42 | JeffM | so you need to get that zlib from the zlib people |
| 05:09.04 | *** join/#bzflag think_tank (n=think_ta@c-71-194-147-60.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 05:14.23 | Winny | thrid time's the charm.. I hope |
| 05:20.03 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM_ (n=JeffM@pool-71-109-231-178.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 06:01.53 | *** join/#bzflag ShadowSpectre (n=Default@24-158-74-158.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com) |
| 06:36.48 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (n=Tupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone) |
| 06:36.48 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v Tupone] by ChanServ |
| 06:53.29 | *** join/#bzflag QuantumTim (n=tim@62-249-230-206.no-dns-yet.enta.net) |
| 08:30.48 | *** join/#bzflag Gilly (n=btw@83.146.211.140) |
| 08:45.14 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03jannejun * r16612 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/ (BZAdvancedRobot.cxx BZAdvancedRobot.h RCRequests.h): Finished setTickDuration call. |
| 09:10.24 | *** join/#bzflag lepoulpe303 (n=LePoulpe@about/essy/MobileTarget/LePoulpe303) |
| 10:16.13 | Constitution | ~Gilly++ |
| 10:19.01 | *** join/#bzflag Wits (n=Warinthe@1.168.188.72.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 10:33.13 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03jannejun * r16613 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzrobots/ (BZAdvancedRobot.cxx BZAdvancedRobot.h): Added getDistance -helpers. |
| 10:39.03 | *** join/#bzflag lan56 (n=Ian_Agar@adsl-75-4-228-215.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 10:41.26 | Gilly | Hmm... we'd need to implement GetShotsReq |
| 10:41.40 | Gilly | After that it would be possible to make some real bots :) |
| 11:01.16 | *** join/#bzflag ViciousM (n=max@cpe-024-211-248-161.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 11:42.31 | *** join/#bzflag Dessy (n=Dessy@88-134-79-135-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 11:49.52 | *** join/#bzflag Upsetter (n=scratch@i59F7F421.versanet.de) |
| 12:06.14 | *** join/#bzflag delusional_ (n=delusion@pool-71-240-50-194.pitt.east.verizon.net) |
| 12:29.36 | *** part/#bzflag whodaman- (n=whodaman@pdpc/supporter/student/whodaman-) |
| 12:29.59 | *** join/#bzflag whodaman (n=whodaman@pdpc/supporter/student/whodaman-) |
| 12:33.14 | whodaman | ~Winny++ |
| 12:33.21 | whodaman | new bullets look awesome |
| 12:39.37 | *** part/#bzflag lan56 (n=Ian_Agar@adsl-75-4-228-215.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 12:42.14 | Gilly | What info do we want from bullets to the bzrobots? Position, shooter, velocity, distance travelled/left, type (guided, normal, super, ...). Something else? Also should we copy the original code to be able to simulate the orbit of the bullets in the bot easier? (Ricos, GM) |
| 12:57.33 | *** join/#bzflag lepoulpe303 (n=LePoulpe@about/essy/MobileTarget/LePoulpe303) |
| 13:26.04 | Winny | whodaman, ... they're textures |
| 13:26.45 | maxpower | ~Winny-- |
| 13:27.54 | *** join/#bzflag me1 (n=khazhy@pool-96-237-103-212.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 13:30.17 | Gilly | we could also send the shots along with getPlayers |
| 13:42.05 | whodaman | Winny, so? |
| 13:42.09 | whodaman | they look nice |
| 13:42.15 | whodaman | ... |
| 13:45.07 | Winny | They're just textures that will never get used...the only reason I did them was 'cause 3.0 bullets look nicer then 2.0 bullets |
| 13:45.17 | *** join/#bzflag Pimpi_ (n=frank@gondolin.pimpi.org) |
| 14:01.24 | *** join/#bzflag Suspect (n=Suspect@68-113-160-034.dhcp.plt.ny.charter.com) |
| 14:38.23 | *** part/#bzflag Upsetter (n=scratch@i59F7F421.versanet.de) |
| 14:48.26 | *** join/#bzflag Tedius (n=Tedius@musictech.MUSC.CWRU.Edu) |
| 15:02.30 | *** part/#bzflag me1 (n=khazhy@pool-96-237-103-212.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 15:04.03 | *** join/#bzflag TD-Linux (n=wheeeeee@about/essy/indecisive/TD-Linux) |
| 15:10.04 | *** join/#bzflag me1 (n=khazhy@pool-96-237-103-212.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 15:14.07 | *** join/#bzflag pacman_87 (n=timothy@nat-201-89.arlut.utexas.edu) |
| 15:14.23 | *** join/#bzflag KTL (n=KTL@213.219.144.106.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net) |
| 15:15.49 | *** join/#bzflag Upsetter (n=scratch@i59F7F421.versanet.de) |
| 15:24.12 | Gilly | jorgenpt, brlcad: I've done some initial shot information delivery between backend and frontend... I guess I could commit what I have because it won't break anything else, but I think it's a subject for change... |
| 15:35.36 | *** join/#bzflag Eliott (n=tora@32.138.132.23) |
| 15:35.39 | Eliott | hi all |
| 15:36.43 | Eliott | hey... I am still trying to compile 2.99 on VC++2008 Express.. And I have a lot of unresolved external symbol... I installed the 2 SDKs. Can anyone give me a piece of info on this ? |
| 15:47.33 | Gilly | for me the current svn trunk compiles but i'm on linux |
| 15:47.44 | Winny | Ill give it a shot |
| 15:52.37 | *** join/#bzflag Ride (n=447360d3@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 15:53.00 | Winny | Eliott, no errors yet |
| 15:53.40 | Eliott | Winny, should work with no issues on linux |
| 15:53.44 | Eliott | i m doing that on stupid windows |
| 15:53.50 | Winny | so am I |
| 15:55.12 | Ride | how do i register my nickname so i can pm people here |
| 15:55.22 | Winny | /msg nickserv register <password> |
| 15:55.32 | Winny | I reccomend you get a real IRC client |
| 15:55.40 | Winny | windows, correct? |
| 15:55.51 | Ride | yes |
| 15:56.07 | Winny | http://www.silverex.org/download/ |
| 15:56.54 | Ride | it says that my nickname is already registered |
| 15:57.15 | Winny | ok, so someone has already registered it |
| 15:57.18 | Winny | so pick another one |
| 15:57.28 | Ride | but thats my callsign |
| 15:57.38 | Ride | how do i pick another |
| 15:57.40 | Winny | You're on freenode, not BZFlag :) |
| 15:57.49 | Ride | oh |
| 15:58.04 | Winny | freenode is an IRC network with 40,000 some users... |
| 15:58.11 | Ride | so how do i pick another |
| 15:58.12 | Winny | so, quite a few nicks are taken :) |
| 15:58.17 | Winny | /nick <new nick> |
| 15:58.40 | Winny | not sure if that works on CGI:IRC |
| 15:58.53 | *** join/#bzflag newnick (n=60ed67d4@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 15:58.59 | me1 | it does |
| 15:59.05 | Winny | ... |
| 15:59.07 | Winny | wow |
| 15:59.19 | Winny | <new nick> means replace that with the nick you want |
| 15:59.22 | Winny | for example |
| 15:59.25 | Ride | it says Erroneous Nickname |
| 15:59.27 | me1 | that was me |
| 15:59.38 | Winny | if I type "/nick BZ_Win", my nick will become BZ_Win |
| 16:00.01 | me1 | winny, "newnick" was me. I was seeing if it worked in cgi:irc |
| 16:00.35 | Ridebz | there |
| 16:00.35 | Winny | :) |
| 16:01.07 | whodaman | Ridebz, you can use Ride- |
| 16:01.25 | Winny | Eliott, it built fine for me |
| 16:01.49 | *** join/#bzflag bz96 (n=60ed67d4@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 16:02.23 | Eliott | Winny, yeah, but i m using stupid windows .. |
| 16:02.29 | whodaman | so is he |
| 16:02.31 | Winny | Eliott, so am I |
| 16:02.37 | whodaman | [16:53] <Eliott> i m doing that on stupid windows |
| 16:02.37 | whodaman | [16:53] <Winny> so am I |
| 16:02.52 | *** join/#bzflag hobbsc (n=hobbsc@ip70-178-55-100.ks.ks.cox.net) |
| 16:04.30 | whodaman | Ride-, now do /msg nickserv REGISTER yourpasswordgoeshere |
| 16:04.44 | Winny | he already did, I think |
| 16:05.03 | Eliott | Winny, oh.. so what SDKs did you add ? |
| 16:05.11 | Eliott | and are you using VC++2008 express ? |
| 16:05.25 | Winny | DX DSK and the platform SDK |
| 16:05.29 | Winny | SDK* |
| 16:05.43 | Ride- | i already registered |
| 16:06.07 | Winny | did you register this new nick, too? |
| 16:06.11 | whodaman | yes |
| 16:06.13 | Winny | or just "Ridebz" |
| 16:06.25 | Ride- | yes i register Ride- |
| 16:06.29 | Winny | ok |
| 16:06.35 | whodaman | Winny, he did |
| 16:06.38 | whodaman | ah |
| 16:06.52 | Winny | Ride-, I really reccomend getting a real IRC client |
| 16:07.05 | Ride- | i will but not now |
| 16:07.10 | Eliott | Winny, can folders do you haves under program files,regarding the platform SDK ? |
| 16:07.32 | *** join/#bzflag forrestv (n=forrestv@unaffiliated/forrestv) |
| 16:08.13 | Winny | C:\Program Files\Microsoft DirectX SDK (April 2007) & C:\Program Files\Microsoft SDKs |
| 16:08.15 | Winny | etc... |
| 16:08.36 | Eliott | Winny, ok, but this is for the DirectX |
| 16:08.41 | Eliott | what about platform sdk ? |
| 16:09.05 | *** join/#bzflag Pogovina (n=Rita@c-98-197-19-35.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) |
| 16:09.16 | *** part/#bzflag Pogovina (n=Rita@c-98-197-19-35.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) |
| 16:09.18 | KTL | rita :0 |
| 16:09.22 | Winny | dunno, it's in there somewhere |
| 16:11.40 | Eliott | ok |
| 16:11.57 | Eliott | did you add any folders in the configuratino of VC++ for the inclues & libs ? |
| 16:11.57 | Ride- | cya guys g2g |
| 16:13.08 | Winny | not that I remember |
| 16:13.40 | Winny | but it's been ~6 months |
| 16:14.04 | Eliott | lol |
| 16:14.14 | Eliott | so it took you 6 months before you would be able to compile ? :D |
| 16:14.24 | Winny | no |
| 16:14.28 | Winny | why do you assume that? |
| 16:14.45 | Eliott | just joking |
| 16:14.54 | *** join/#bzflag Epyon (n=Epyon@90-156-93-82.magma-net.pl) |
| 16:15.27 | Winny | Epyon! |
| 16:15.31 | Winny | :D |
| 16:21.56 | *** part/#bzflag Upsetter (n=scratch@i59F7F421.versanet.de) |
| 16:22.16 | Eliott | I still have unresolved symbols.. damn it |
| 16:25.59 | *** join/#bzflag BenUrban (n=benurban@c-68-49-10-243.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 16:26.04 | Eliott | hhhaaaa |
| 16:26.08 | Eliott | i think i found it |
| 16:27.36 | Eliott | ha no |
| 16:27.38 | Eliott | crap |
| 16:42.24 | *** join/#bzflag AHA (n=aha@unaffiliated/aha) |
| 16:42.27 | *** part/#bzflag Tedius (n=Tedius@musictech.MUSC.CWRU.Edu) |
| 16:43.32 | *** join/#bzflag Tedius (n=Tedius@musictech.MUSC.CWRU.Edu) |
| 16:45.34 | *** join/#bzflag Dessy2 (n=Dessy@88-134-79-135-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 16:49.47 | Dessy2 | hi |
| 16:50.11 | Dessy2 | is on my.bzflag.org/bb any rss feed support? |
| 16:54.48 | *** part/#bzflag me1 (n=khazhy@pool-96-237-103-212.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 16:55.02 | *** join/#bzflag me1 (n=khazhy@pool-96-237-103-212.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 17:01.26 | *** join/#bzflag Dessy3 (n=Dessy@88-134-79-92-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 17:18.14 | *** part/#bzflag pacman_87 (n=timothy@nat-201-89.arlut.utexas.edu) |
| 17:20.04 | *** join/#bzflag pacman_87 (n=timothy@nat-201-89.arlut.utexas.edu) |
| 17:22.49 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM (n=JeffM@unaffiliated/jeffm) |
| 17:27.25 | *** join/#bzflag AHA (n=aha@unaffiliated/aha) |
| 17:51.03 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (n=Tupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone) |
| 17:51.03 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v Tupone] by ChanServ |
| 17:52.05 | *** part/#bzflag pacman_87 (n=timothy@nat-201-89.arlut.utexas.edu) |
| 17:58.48 | *** join/#bzflag Erroneous (n=dtremena@67-131-219-2.dia.static.qwest.net) |
| 18:14.14 | *** join/#bzflag BenUrban (n=benurban@unaffiliated/benurban) |
| 18:16.29 | *** join/#bzflag AHA (n=aha@unaffiliated/aha) |
| 18:18.03 | JeffM | for all the questions that we got yesteday, I wonder why it hasn't been bad today, considering it's a school holiday in the US |
| 18:22.16 | *** join/#bzflag LongDon (n=LongDon@host-091-097-087-252.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 18:24.19 | *** join/#bzflag O-Neil (n=Miranda@dslb-088-070-062-032.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 18:34.02 | Eliott | heya JeffM |
| 18:34.16 | blast007 | Eliott: maybe just uninstall it all and start over :P |
| 18:34.40 | Eliott | uninstall what ? |
| 18:34.45 | JeffM | hello |
| 18:35.15 | blast007 | Eliott: Visual C++ EE, platform SDK, and DirectX SDK |
| 18:36.05 | Eliott | yeah, no .. i did that 3 times already.. |
| 18:36.19 | Eliott | what would be the reason for all those unresolved symbols ? |
| 18:36.22 | Eliott | the LIB path ? |
| 18:37.00 | JeffM | what symbols? |
| 18:38.07 | Eliott | can I paste 1 line ? |
| 18:38.12 | blast007 | sure |
| 18:38.16 | Eliott | 3>game.lib(ServerItem.obj) : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol "public: void __thiscall PingPacket::writeToFile(class std::basic_ostream<char,struct std::char_traits<char> > &)const " (?writeToFile@PingPacket@@QBEXAAV?$basic_ostream@DU?$char_traits@D@std@@@std@@@Z) referenced in function "public: void __thiscall ServerItem::writeToFile(class std::basic_ostream<char,struct std::char_traits<char> > &)const " (?writeToFile@ServerItem@@QBEXAAV?$basic_ost |
| 18:38.16 | Eliott | ream@DU?$char_traits@D@std@@@std@@@Z) |
| 18:38.30 | Eliott | everything is coming from game.lib |
| 18:39.20 | JeffM | odd |
| 18:39.37 | Eliott | y ? |
| 18:40.39 | JeffM | cus that's not platofrm |
| 18:40.56 | Eliott | oh |
| 18:41.10 | Eliott | so where is this coming from ? is it because of a missing lib from one of the SDKs ? |
| 18:41.16 | JeffM | probalby not |
| 18:41.45 | JeffM | ping packet is our stuff |
| 18:41.47 | JeffM | not the system |
| 18:41.55 | Eliott | mmhh.. |
| 18:42.38 | JeffM | give me a bit |
| 18:42.59 | Eliott | JeffM, if you want to check my screen .. u r more than welcome :D |
| 18:43.06 | JeffM | no I want you to just wait |
| 18:49.50 | JeffM | I was on the phone |
| 18:50.01 | JeffM | ok now, what build target are you using? |
| 18:50.06 | JeffM | release or debug? |
| 18:50.10 | *** join/#bzflag nielsle_ (n=nielsle@2610ds3-fb.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 18:50.21 | Eliott | release |
| 18:50.32 | Eliott | i cleaned i |
| 18:50.33 | Eliott | it |
| 18:50.37 | Eliott | and rebuilded |
| 18:50.41 | Eliott | and kaboom.. same stuff |
| 18:50.43 | JeffM | yeah I am prety sure release is busted in VC9 |
| 18:50.46 | JeffM | I just fixed VC8 |
| 18:50.51 | JeffM | but I haven't goten to 9 |
| 18:50.55 | JeffM | try debug |
| 18:51.05 | Eliott | ok, gimme a min. |
| 18:51.21 | JeffM | or gimme a bit to fix it |
| 18:51.42 | Winny | building 3.0, or 2.0? |
| 18:52.39 | Eliott | JeffM, you fix it ? Woa. What part of the team are you ? |
| 18:53.05 | JeffM | Winny, he's building 3 |
| 18:53.14 | JeffM | Eliott, I am one of the project aministrators |
| 18:53.37 | JeffM | are you doing release or release_distrobution? |
| 18:53.46 | Eliott | now i m doing the debug, as you requested |
| 18:54.06 | JeffM | what were you doing before? |
| 18:54.21 | Eliott | release |
| 18:54.30 | JeffM | k |
| 18:54.51 | JeffM | are are you choosing build proejct or build solution? |
| 18:56.18 | Eliott | i just clicked on BUILD BZFLAG |
| 18:56.25 | Winny | hmm, I think I just found a bug.. when you minimize, then maximize, and try to go through a tele, you get autokicked for teleporting while paused |
| 18:56.32 | JeffM | where? |
| 18:57.12 | JeffM | Eliott, honestly we arn't here to teach you how to use your compiler. I HIGHLY recomend you learn the basics first |
| 18:58.18 | KTL | those minimize-no server communication-maximize-you risk things issues are irritating, cant leave the client somewhere at rest without taking the risk to loose score |
| 18:58.37 | Winny | hmm, can't make it happen again.. grr |
| 18:58.55 | Winny | aha, there we go |
| 19:00.07 | Winny | seems to happen if you go to a tele within ~5 seconds of resuming |
| 19:00.12 | Winny | design, I guess? |
| 19:00.23 | Eliott | JeffM, maybe it s not me, maybe it s my conf.. Rebuild All: 16 succeeded, 1 failed, 0 skipped |
| 19:00.33 | JeffM | Winny, probably just hasn't finished sending the unpause yet |
| 19:00.42 | JeffM | Eliott, what one failed? |
| 19:00.50 | JeffM | and there is no "conf" on windows |
| 19:00.59 | Winny | 18 total? that sounds like 2.0 |
| 19:01.02 | JeffM | this is why I say you should learn the basics of the compiler |
| 19:01.06 | Winny | IIRC 3.0 has.. 22? |
| 19:01.15 | JeffM | yep |
| 19:01.24 | JeffM | Eliott,what URL did you get the code from |
| 19:01.43 | JeffM | tho release in VC9 does not work, I just checked |
| 19:02.02 | Eliott | https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag |
| 19:02.27 | JeffM | you sure? |
| 19:02.34 | Eliott | YES |
| 19:02.39 | Eliott | i right clicked on the folder |
| 19:02.39 | JeffM | wierd |
| 19:02.43 | Eliott | and this is the property |
| 19:03.29 | JeffM | those totaly need to not be billboards :) |
| 19:03.41 | Eliott | so what's weird ? |
| 19:04.00 | JeffM | the fact that it's not building 22 projects |
| 19:04.11 | JeffM | tho if you didn't do build solution that may be why |
| 19:04.13 | JeffM | what one failed? |
| 19:04.14 | JeffM | game? |
| 19:04.15 | Eliott | on debug ? |
| 19:04.30 | JeffM | dosn't matter debug or release |
| 19:04.40 | JeffM | we build 3 seperate exe files in that solution |
| 19:04.45 | Winny | JeffM, would explode1&2.png need to be the same size, or is where it "cuts" the image up dynamic? |
| 19:05.00 | JeffM | Winny, dunno |
| 19:05.04 | JeffM | never looked at it |
| 19:05.39 | Winny | would be cool if the explodes used particles |
| 19:05.56 | JeffM | lots of things would be cool if they did something more modern ;) |
| 19:06.50 | Winny | does anyone still have the particle patch trep did? |
| 19:06.55 | JeffM | nope |
| 19:07.01 | Winny | darn |
| 19:07.23 | JeffM | and if they did, I'd recomend against using it |
| 19:07.40 | JeffM | code with out understanding is not good |
| 19:09.03 | Winny | but it looks nice http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/varied_fountain.jpg ;) |
| 19:09.32 | JeffM | yeah |
| 19:09.43 | JeffM | it's not that hard to do |
| 19:09.45 | JeffM | just math ;) |
| 19:11.10 | *** join/#bzflag saint_ (n=saint@c-69-242-118-124.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 19:11.14 | saint_ | hi all |
| 19:11.19 | Winny | hellos |
| 19:11.31 | saint_ | sup gangsta ? |
| 19:12.08 | Winny | You're on IRC, there are no "gangsta"s :) |
| 19:12.10 | saint_ | I have a quick one for you guys.. if I wan to compile bzFlag on winXP, do I need to install libcurl ? or is it included in the lib. folders already ? |
| 19:12.24 | Winny | which version |
| 19:12.39 | Winny | 2.0 or 3.0? |
| 19:12.48 | saint_ | 3.0 |
| 19:13.04 | Winny | I think it's included.. |
| 19:13.06 | Eliott | JeffM, I ll give it a shot again in a little while .. |
| 19:13.23 | saint_ | Winny, thanks man |
| 19:13.43 | Winny | not 100% sure, though.. |
| 19:15.29 | saint_ | i ll give it a shot, we'll see if it cries during the compile |
| 19:15.34 | Winny | hmm, would it be possible to do "real" mountains instead of just textures, or does that take too many CPU cycles? |
| 19:17.10 | blast007 | the CPU doesn't have much to do with that |
| 19:17.16 | blast007 | that's work for the GPU |
| 19:17.34 | Winny | blast007, I know, more of a saying then anything |
| 19:18.05 | blast007 | they wouldn't have to be that good of quality, since they're a ways away |
| 19:18.12 | blast007 | or LOD them |
| 19:18.39 | blast007 | 3.0 still runs on my onboard Intel graphics, so we can add a bit more detail :P |
| 19:18.52 | Winny | hehe |
| 19:31.07 | Dessy | question: is on the forum a rss feed aviable? |
| 19:32.44 | whodaman | I have it set up with my mail.app |
| 19:35.42 | saint_ | is the release solution supposed to be OK with VC9 ..?! |
| 19:36.01 | Winny | I built 3.0 earlier with VC( |
| 19:36.04 | Winny | VC9* |
| 19:36.26 | saint_ | ok, let me fool around. Maybe I missed something |
| 19:38.09 | Erroneous | saint_: VC9 release does not work |
| 19:38.23 | saint_ | Erroneous, because of what ? I got a lot of unresolv. ext. symb. all over the place.. |
| 19:39.01 | Erroneous | saint_: dunno...just quoting from earlier. <JeffM> tho release in VC9 does not work, I just checked |
| 19:39.05 | Eliott | saint_, if you find the solution, please share.. I'm in the same boat, but i m a beginner |
| 19:39.42 | saint_ | Eliott, will do - BRB |
| 19:42.13 | blast007 | I'll probably mess around with VC9 later as well |
| 19:42.19 | blast007 | downloading the SDKs |
| 19:46.15 | blast007 | Eliott: did it build for you under Debug? |
| 19:49.01 | *** join/#bzflag SpazzyMcGee (n=Spazzy_M@unaffiliated/spazzymcgee) |
| 19:51.01 | JeffM | well all the release builds were busted after I redid it for multiple compiles |
| 19:51.06 | JeffM | I fixed VC8 yesterday |
| 19:51.08 | JeffM | I'll do 9 today |
| 19:51.09 | *** join/#bzflag TimRiker (n=timr@psnet.cc) |
| 19:51.09 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 19:52.21 | me1 | what does "the procedure entry point WSAPoll could not be located in the dynamic link library WS2_32.dll." mean? |
| 19:52.40 | Winny | hehe, I get that too in 2.0 |
| 19:52.42 | JeffM | it means that your winsock dll |
| 19:52.50 | JeffM | is not the same as the one it was built under |
| 19:55.15 | JeffM | hmmm, probably should just re-upgrade the VC8 projects |
| 19:56.49 | JeffM | or just pull VC9 and tell everyone to do it on there own :) |
| 19:57.05 | Winny | are you talking about 2.0 or 3.0 now? :p |
| 19:57.08 | JeffM | 3 |
| 19:57.10 | Winny | :( |
| 19:57.13 | JeffM | I care not about 2 |
| 19:57.20 | JeffM | dude, 2 worked for me |
| 19:57.25 | JeffM | I don't know what your problem was |
| 19:57.58 | Winny | eh, VC9 built fine for me... 3 hours ago? |
| 19:58.16 | JeffM | I did 2.x in VC9 yesterday |
| 19:59.11 | *** join/#bzflag bz41 (n=47ce2b72@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 19:59.15 | bz41 | hi |
| 19:59.18 | JeffM | hello |
| 19:59.21 | bz41 | hello |
| 19:59.23 | bz41 | wats up |
| 19:59.48 | JeffM | wHat is up is many things |
| 19:59.58 | bz41 | how do u play this game |
| 20:00.09 | JeffM | PFFFT!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:00.18 | Winny | We're not fast enough for him |
| 20:00.28 | JeffM | so who wants to write a " getting started" wiki page? |
| 20:00.34 | Winny | Ill do it |
| 20:00.37 | JeffM | go for it |
| 20:00.45 | Winny | k |
| 20:00.55 | blast007 | make it, and then we should add a link to it at the end of the installer ;) |
| 20:01.21 | Winny | Is the wiki painfully slow for anyone else? |
| 20:01.26 | JeffM | blast007, and the main page, and bzbb |
| 20:01.34 | Winny | it takes ~10-15 seconds for a page to load for me.. but BZBB is fine |
| 20:01.43 | JeffM | I'm guessing people are hitting the fourms as an entry poiint for some reason |
| 20:01.46 | blast007 | weee, yeah, going slow |
| 20:01.51 | blast007 | JeffM: yeah.. |
| 20:02.26 | Eliott | blast007, yes, it built the debug solution |
| 20:02.51 | blast007 | k |
| 20:02.52 | JeffM | debug worked? |
| 20:02.53 | JeffM | good |
| 20:03.17 | Eliott | yeah |
| 20:03.32 | JeffM | I've duped the release problem |
| 20:03.44 | JeffM | just gotta figure out what didn't get moved over |
| 20:03.45 | Eliott | What is it ? |
| 20:03.49 | JeffM | a problem |
| 20:04.00 | JeffM | probably upgrade artifacts from 8 |
| 20:04.08 | *** join/#bzflag spldart (n=short_ci@c-98-197-19-35.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) |
| 20:06.01 | Winny | my gosh, the main site sure is ugly |
| 20:07.11 | blast007 | it'd be nice to have a template that would work for the main site, the wiki, the forum, and stats |
| 20:08.57 | JeffM | wow |
| 20:08.59 | JeffM | net is jacked |
| 20:09.03 | spldart | mmMMmm... template |
| 20:15.43 | *** part/#bzflag LongDon (n=LongDon@host-091-097-087-252.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 20:16.14 | *** join/#bzflag PrezKennedy (i=Matt@74.86.45.130) |
| 20:16.39 | JeffM | blast007, I found the VC9 problem, I just have to find a way to fix it |
| 20:25.41 | blast007 | k |
| 20:26.46 | *** join/#bzflag sigonasr2 (n=sigonasr@ip72-200-88-154.tc.ph.cox.net) |
| 20:28.26 | *** join/#bzflag Pogovina (n=Rita@c-98-197-19-35.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) |
| 20:29.13 | spldart | 8-0 |
| 20:30.23 | Pogovina | XD |
| 20:30.29 | *** part/#bzflag Pogovina (n=Rita@c-98-197-19-35.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) |
| 20:31.25 | JeffM | hmm net still has x64 |
| 20:34.51 | Winny | almost done the page |
| 20:36.44 | *** join/#bzflag nielsle_ (n=nielsle@2610ds3-fb.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 20:37.57 | Eliott | JeffM, could you include the sdk library maybe in the 2.99 for x86 ? :D |
| 20:38.08 | JeffM | what? |
| 20:38.26 | JeffM | you mean include the code from the windows SDK lib in our source download? |
| 20:38.36 | *** part/#bzflag nielsle_ (n=nielsle@2610ds3-fb.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 20:38.43 | AHA | Dessy, no, i dont think so |
| 20:38.48 | AHA | oops |
| 20:38.49 | AHA | nvm |
| 20:38.53 | AHA | i had it scrolled up |
| 20:38.58 | blast007 | ;) |
| 20:39.03 | AHA | he asked a question like an hour or so ago |
| 20:39.03 | AHA | :p |
| 20:39.47 | Eliott | JeffM, yeah, just for a little while |
| 20:39.56 | Winny | heh |
| 20:40.09 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16614 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC9/ (bzflag.sln net.vcproj): rebuild the net project since it wasn't building all the files it was supposed to. |
| 20:44.05 | JeffM | that should work better under 9 |
| 20:44.17 | JeffM | looks like 8 is jacked up too |
| 20:45.30 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16615 10/trunk/bzflag/MSVC/VC8/ (bzflag.sln net.vcproj): rebuild the net project so it builds all files in all configurations. |
| 20:46.13 | JeffM | so Eliott if you update, you should build better |
| 20:46.28 | Winny | grr, wiki formatting |
| 20:49.25 | me1 | "src\other\curl\lib\hostares.c(113) : warning C4013: 'ares_getsock' undefined; assuming extern returning int" Is that a problem? |
| 20:50.24 | Erroneous | no |
| 20:51.21 | *** join/#bzflag Eliott (n=tora@32.137.54.161) |
| 20:55.09 | JeffM | that's why it says warning ;) |
| 20:57.27 | *** join/#bzflag bz70 (n=40e56484@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 21:00.07 | brlcad | welp, finally traced down that crash .. it's crashing if there's no config dir .. and it's not getting created |
| 21:00.18 | JeffM | tosh specific? |
| 21:01.16 | brlcad | dunno for sure, but doesn't seem to be |
| 21:02.06 | JeffM | I just created the config and everythying fine |
| 21:02.18 | JeffM | and cache, etc.. |
| 21:02.21 | brlcad | it crashes during "testing performance" |
| 21:02.28 | JeffM | that's GL |
| 21:02.40 | brlcad | yeah, but only tests performance when there's not a config |
| 21:02.50 | JeffM | can you not have a 32 bit depth buffer ether? |
| 21:03.06 | JeffM | well your on SDL now, so you will pick up the SDL 24 bit clamp |
| 21:03.17 | brlcad | i'm not on head, I'm reverted several months |
| 21:03.23 | JeffM | oh |
| 21:03.28 | JeffM | branch? |
| 21:03.32 | JeffM | or head back some |
| 21:03.36 | *** join/#bzflag jftsang (n=jftsang@88-108-212-110.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 21:03.38 | brlcad | still trunk |
| 21:03.43 | JeffM | ahh |
| 21:05.23 | blast007 | hehe |
| 21:05.28 | *** join/#bzflag kirun (n=kirun@223.24.125.91.gr6.adsl.brightview.com) |
| 21:06.08 | blast007 | JeffM: I was gonna try building without SDL, but I had some missing header for X11 stuff, so I postponed that until I find what package I need ;) |
| 21:06.36 | JeffM | I don't think we build sans SDL anymore |
| 21:06.50 | JeffM | you should be fine now, I added a 24 bit clamp to the SDL platform |
| 21:07.09 | JeffM | cus you know.. linux sux :) |
| 21:07.15 | Winny | hehe |
| 21:07.20 | brlcad | that depth bufer issue has way more to do with the display driver (i.e. Nvidia) and X11 configuration (i.e. user settings) |
| 21:07.28 | JeffM | yeah I know |
| 21:07.34 | JeffM | I just like saying linux sux |
| 21:08.08 | JeffM | also why I had no problem puting the clamp in, I just wanted it lower then the top level. |
| 21:08.21 | brlcad | I bet they're just running X11 24 bit so 32bit depth buffers aren't even possible |
| 21:08.29 | JeffM | most windows drivers are going to give back a 24 bit depth buffer anyway |
| 21:08.32 | brlcad | isn't there a better way than forcing it one or the other? |
| 21:08.39 | brlcad | have it autodetect |
| 21:08.44 | JeffM | GL is suposed to give you the best it can |
| 21:08.48 | JeffM | and autodetect |
| 21:08.51 | JeffM | thats the point of the PFD |
| 21:08.57 | JeffM | just on nix it dosn't seem to do that |
| 21:09.19 | JeffM | on windows you ask for 32, but it says "hey, you get 24", and we are cool with that |
| 21:09.38 | blast007 | brlcad: it died on my setup, and I think I should be running my desktop in 32-bit |
| 21:09.46 | JeffM | IIRC some cards/drivers can do depth buffers over the frame buffer size |
| 21:09.52 | Erroneous | on linux we do still build sans sdl |
| 21:09.53 | brlcad | which call are we talking about exactly? |
| 21:09.54 | JeffM | specialy if you ask for 8 bit stencil |
| 21:10.02 | Erroneous | a number of distros ship that way |
| 21:10.04 | Erroneous | unfortunately |
| 21:10.19 | JeffM | brlcad, it wasn't a call it was a field in the platform specific PFD |
| 21:10.23 | JeffM | on windows |
| 21:10.23 | blast007 | yeah, I think only mac native build is dead, right? |
| 21:10.29 | JeffM | on SDL it goes into SDL |
| 21:10.30 | Erroneous | blast007: correct |
| 21:10.36 | JeffM | where SDL should handle it correclty , but dosn't |
| 21:10.46 | Erroneous | though solaris' is probably broken also |
| 21:10.52 | blast007 | heh |
| 21:11.13 | Erroneous | it's set up for X11R5, and "some little things" have changed since then ;) |
| 21:11.22 | blast007 | ;) |
| 21:12.06 | *** join/#bzflag F687s (n=noah@cpe-71-67-112-44.woh.res.rr.com) |
| 21:13.04 | brlcad | what does that boil down to for linux though? isn't a pixel format descriptor "wgl-lingo"? |
| 21:13.29 | brlcad | it's not like it's calling ChoosePixelFormat() for linux |
| 21:15.06 | brlcad | afaik, that's what "gives you the best it can" .. if there's no corresponding call in sdl, then it doesn't even have anything to do with ogl |
| 21:15.15 | JeffM | it calls the X version |
| 21:15.24 | JeffM | XGL has it's own pixel fomat system |
| 21:15.34 | JeffM | but they are all suposed to work in a similar manner |
| 21:15.42 | JeffM | IIRC |
| 21:16.04 | JeffM | at some point you ask for what you want, and it gives you what you CAN get |
| 21:16.10 | brlcad | i'm not so sure about that, glx has tons that differs big from wgl |
| 21:16.11 | JeffM | and you are suposed to accept it and not die |
| 21:16.14 | Winny | JeffM, http://my.bzflag.org/w/Getting_Started ... about 50% done so far |
| 21:16.33 | JeffM | brlcad, then I stand by my linux sucks statement ;) |
| 21:16.46 | JeffM | all that really means is that we add another clamp in the x stuff too |
| 21:17.08 | JeffM | optimaly we'd want to test X caps and clamp to that then |
| 21:17.11 | JeffM | if that's possible |
| 21:17.13 | brlcad | or what I was saying, actually query what is possible |
| 21:17.15 | JeffM | but I don't know |
| 21:17.21 | JeffM | that'd be X specific |
| 21:17.25 | JeffM | not GL general |
| 21:17.37 | JeffM | I just wante do move the clamp down into platform |
| 21:17.45 | JeffM | if you can make it smart for the platform, great. |
| 21:18.09 | JeffM | the PFD on windows will do the smart clamp. |
| 21:18.15 | JeffM | if X has a way, cool |
| 21:18.26 | JeffM | dunno what SDL can do |
| 21:18.28 | JeffM | I can look |
| 21:23.10 | JeffM | hmm dosn't look like SDL exposes those kind of caps |
| 21:24.14 | JeffM | could just leave it as the default of "don't care" for SDL and let you guys get what you get |
| 21:24.23 | JeffM | or if 24 works, leave it at that |
| 21:25.24 | brlcad | looks like chooseVisual() corresponds to ChoosePixelFormat() in X11 |
| 21:25.42 | brlcad | oh, never mind.. that's a qt func |
| 21:26.43 | me1 | winny, "Only shoot at people on your own team, unless you are a rogue"? |
| 21:27.11 | Winny | You shoot at your teammates? |
| 21:27.17 | me1 | from your wiki page |
| 21:27.38 | Winny | I'm aware |
| 21:27.41 | me1 | ok |
| 21:28.19 | brlcad | there it is, it's glXChooseVisual() |
| 21:28.27 | brlcad | now to see if sdl exposes that anywhere |
| 21:28.47 | JeffM | brlcad, I was looking at SDL docs |
| 21:29.02 | JeffM | the only thing I saw was a way to get what the current depth buffer is, not a max |
| 21:29.39 | brlcad | looks like our GLX code does the right things -- it manually tries to determine the best and if that fails, it calls glXChooseVisual() |
| 21:30.25 | JeffM | cool |
| 21:30.29 | JeffM | so it's just SDL then |
| 21:30.32 | JeffM | so SDL sucks? |
| 21:30.56 | JeffM | cus someone has to suck |
| 21:31.15 | Winny | I suck! |
| 21:32.05 | spldart | Yeah... but is it the good kind of suck? |
| 21:32.08 | *** join/#bzflag loophole (n=dave@71.86.121.200) |
| 21:32.43 | brlcad | yeah, still reading, but looks like SDL designed their API to be "give me X" .. and if you can't get X, it's a failure result |
| 21:32.54 | brlcad | so maybe just need the same query logic that we have for glx for sdl |
| 21:32.56 | JeffM | sux |
| 21:33.11 | JeffM | SDL is used on more then just GLX systems |
| 21:35.12 | JeffM | look at me still talking when there is science to do. |
| 21:35.50 | *** join/#bzflag L4m3r (n=l4m3r@about/essy/warning/L4m3r) |
| 21:35.50 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v L4m3r] by ChanServ |
| 21:41.58 | brlcad | ahh, I think I found it .. someone with linux that can test something? |
| 21:44.53 | brlcad | (someone that had the 32-bit problem) |
| 21:45.07 | spldart | I assume this test requires aforementioned linux box to have full 3d support |
| 21:46.06 | brlcad | ideally someone that had ran into the problem when it was set to 32 yet now works set to 24 |
| 21:46.25 | spldart | ah |
| 21:46.56 | blast007 | brlcad: worst case, I can test when I get home. It failed for me with 32-bit |
| 21:47.05 | brlcad | I think it's because SDL is requesting a GLX_DIRECT_COLOR surface |
| 21:47.37 | brlcad | blast007: the test is pretty simple -- set it back to 32-bit, make sure it fails .. then set the environment variable SDL_VIDEO_X11_NODIRECTCOLOR=1 |
| 21:47.41 | brlcad | and try again |
| 21:51.11 | *** part/#bzflag me1 (n=khazhy@pool-96-237-103-212.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 21:51.44 | *** join/#bzflag me1 (n=khazhy@pool-96-237-103-212.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 21:51.47 | brlcad | that'd be why it'd fail -- that makes GLX_X_VISUAL_TYPE an exact match |
| 21:51.53 | brlcad | default value is GLX_DONT_CARE |
| 21:52.02 | JeffM | so SDL sucks? |
| 21:52.19 | brlcad | so SDL designed it that way :) |
| 21:52.29 | brlcad | but they did provide that flag to override |
| 21:52.35 | JeffM | hey many people design in suck |
| 21:52.38 | brlcad | so .. be an interesting test |
| 22:05.44 | blast007 | brlcad: I'm at work for (at least) another hour, so it might be a while before I get that tested ;) |
| 22:08.00 | whodaman | ~Tedius++ |
| 22:09.47 | brlcad | blast007: no rush :) |
| 22:16.52 | *** join/#bzflag BenUrban (n=benurban@unaffiliated/benurban) |
| 22:23.54 | *** join/#bzflag puddle (n=189abcd6@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 22:23.59 | puddle | hello |
| 22:24.12 | puddle | ugh |
| 22:24.17 | puddle | noobs!! |
| 22:24.32 | puddle | dude wtf is this |
| 22:24.40 | JeffM | it's an IRC channel |
| 22:24.54 | Winny | please state your question |
| 22:24.56 | Winny | ...or not |
| 22:25.19 | whodaman | ... |
| 22:25.54 | Winny | quite a rise in CGI:IRCers lately |
| 22:26.46 | JeffM | ether someone is playin at something, or something is linking dieclty to the froums. |
| 22:27.13 | Winny | none of the hosts look like proxies to me |
| 22:27.52 | whodaman | Winny, somebody mighta figured out that little trick ;) |
| 22:28.10 | *** join/#bzflag ALEXfrance (n=ALEXfran@213.166.216.176) |
| 22:28.14 | JeffM | what do proxies "look like"? |
| 22:28.28 | Winny | whodaman, you need ssh access to the CGI:IRC server to spoof an IP |
| 22:28.46 | JeffM | or tor ;) |
| 22:28.49 | jftsang | ...can't you just remove CGI IRC access to #bzflag |
| 22:28.52 | Winny | and it's not really "spoofing", it's just setting your username to the hex equiv. of an IP. |
| 22:29.01 | whodaman | yeah |
| 22:29.02 | whodaman | well |
| 22:29.03 | JeffM | jftsang, if we had to, yes |
| 22:29.08 | JeffM | we don't have to |
| 22:29.56 | JeffM | hmm Part of me wants to change MsgHit into MsgOwwie |
| 22:30.10 | Winny | MsgOhnoez |
| 22:37.55 | blast007 | JeffM: you can figure out if tor is being used too |
| 22:37.56 | blast007 | there's a page I use to query the list of exit nodes |
| 22:43.08 | brlcad | cgi:irc was busted for a long while too |
| 22:43.16 | brlcad | I just fixed it last week |
| 22:43.22 | Winny | ahh |
| 22:44.16 | JeffM | and you have been checking that for each of these CGI people? ;) |
| 22:44.21 | brlcad | maybe two weeks ago |
| 22:44.52 | Winny | JeffM, when I said they don't "look" like proxies, I was referring to most are "*.comcast.net" or "*.sbcglobal.net" ... normal ISPs |
| 22:45.04 | JeffM | brlcad, is there a way to see where people are coming from. |
| 22:45.17 | JeffM | Winny, and you don't think people run open proxies at home? |
| 22:45.43 | brlcad | I'm sure it could be pulled inside the script if it's not exposed somewhere already |
| 22:45.46 | Winny | JeffM, the hex encoded IP at the begining can be turned into an IP and then DNS checked... |
| 22:46.07 | JeffM | Winny, I know, but HAVE you been checking them against the tor exit nodes? |
| 22:46.16 | Winny | not the last few |
| 22:46.55 | JeffM | brlcad, I'm wondering if some site now links direclty to the fourms, we get a lot of people who seem to hit them first, and have no clue about the game or even the main page. |
| 22:47.19 | Winny | JeffM, incase you didn't see earlier, http://my.bzflag.org/w/Getting_Started |
| 22:47.32 | *** join/#bzflag whodaman8 (n=54a3ec88@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 22:47.49 | JeffM | cool |
| 22:47.51 | brlcad | if anything, the apache log lists where they come from |
| 22:47.54 | JeffM | get it reviewed by a couple people |
| 22:47.58 | whodaman8 | oh wow |
| 22:48.02 | whodaman8 | this does work |
| 22:48.11 | JeffM | brlcad, do we have anything that generates reports from said logs? |
| 22:48.30 | brlcad | depends what you mean by "have" |
| 22:48.40 | JeffM | installed, working, running.. :) |
| 22:48.42 | brlcad | there are tools, the tools are there, the tools can be run |
| 22:49.02 | brlcad | they are not set up to be automatically run or anything |
| 22:49.08 | JeffM | ahh |
| 22:49.15 | JeffM | do they make prety stat web pages? |
| 22:49.29 | brlcad | with some effort, you can get that |
| 22:49.41 | JeffM | hmm what can I get for no effort? |
| 22:49.52 | brlcad | remember bzg's stats? |
| 22:49.57 | JeffM | not really |
| 22:49.58 | brlcad | those were quick default runs |
| 22:54.36 | JeffM | hah.. tupone did 1/2 my work for me :) |
| 22:55.21 | Tupone | when? |
| 22:55.30 | JeffM | like 2 years ago :) |
| 22:55.32 | JeffM | MsgHit |
| 22:55.41 | Tupone | ahh |
| 22:55.42 | *** join/#bzflag Dessy2 (n=Dessy@88-134-79-92-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 22:57.15 | JeffM | now to just add a list of shots that have hit MyTank and that's the basics of it :) |
| 22:59.26 | jftsang | would this be the place to put tutorials about compiling BZFlag: http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_Source |
| 23:01.46 | awilcox | for no effort, you can get: an apache log dump :P |
| 23:06.08 | *** part/#bzflag me1 (n=khazhy@pool-96-237-103-212.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 23:06.35 | *** join/#bzflag me1 (n=khazhy@pool-96-237-103-212.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 23:07.35 | *** join/#bzflag me2 (n=60ed67d4@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 23:07.40 | *** part/#bzflag me1 (n=khazhy@pool-96-237-103-212.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 23:08.11 | *** join/#bzflag me1 (n=khazhy@pool-96-237-103-212.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 23:11.16 | spldart | Wow.. I have the unbusiest apache log EvAr |
| 23:11.45 | *** join/#bzflag me1 (n=khazhy@pool-96-237-103-212.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 23:13.17 | *** part/#bzflag me1 (n=khazhy@pool-96-237-103-212.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 23:13.19 | *** join/#bzflag me1 (n=khazhy@pool-96-237-103-212.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 23:31.46 | *** join/#bzflag sharko (n=459b8d5c@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 23:32.13 | sharko | how we play the game? |
| 23:32.33 | sharko | u ther? |
| 23:32.34 | KTL | you want to know how the gameplay goes? |
| 23:32.52 | sharko | how do we get into a game |
| 23:32.58 | Winny | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Getting_Started |
| 23:33.03 | sharko | thanks |
| 23:33.12 | JeffM | sharko, how did you find the game? |
| 23:33.30 | sharko | i looked up multiplayer games on google |
| 23:33.42 | Winny | you typed "mutlplayer games"? |
| 23:33.44 | JeffM | and what site did it give you? |
| 23:34.33 | sharko | some random site |
| 23:34.47 | Winny | heh |
| 23:34.52 | JeffM | yeah.. that's helpfull |
| 23:35.01 | Winny | how did you get onto the chat room? |
| 23:35.02 | KTL | http://play-free-online-games.com/games/games_all.html prbably |
| 23:35.02 | JeffM | did it send you to our fourms, or to our main web page? |
| 23:35.14 | KTL | 4th hit for me on google |
| 23:36.06 | sharko | i registered |
| 23:36.16 | JeffM | have you downloaded the game? |
| 23:36.31 | sharko | yup |
| 23:36.35 | sharko | thats it |
| 23:36.39 | JeffM | then run it and play |
| 23:36.48 | sharko | i cant find wher to start? |
| 23:36.54 | Winny | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Getting_Started :P |
| 23:36.55 | JeffM | join game menu |
| 23:36.59 | sharko | i just went ther |
| 23:37.02 | sharko | didnt help |
| 23:37.05 | sharko | cant find main |
| 23:37.09 | JeffM | main? |
| 23:37.12 | JeffM | what main? |
| 23:37.21 | JeffM | how old are you? |
| 23:37.44 | sharko | main page |
| 23:38.00 | JeffM | you arn't making sense |
| 23:38.12 | JeffM | you should get your parents to help you |
| 23:38.27 | sharko | im kinda 13 |
| 23:38.30 | sharko | i found out |
| 23:38.36 | sharko | im gone |
| 23:38.39 | KTL | step by step :) |
| 23:38.46 | spldart | heh |
| 23:39.18 | KTL | could not find main :) |
| 23:39.55 | spldart | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=main&btnG=Google+Search | grep main |
| 23:39.58 | spldart | LOL |
| 23:40.08 | spldart | or perhaps.. grep bzflag |
| 23:40.28 | JeffM | he's not 13 |
| 23:41.12 | Winny | ibot: gettingstarted is <reply> You first need to download the game, which you can do here: http://my.bzflag.org/w/Download ... After it's been installed, open it, navigate to the "Join game" menu, open "find server", pick one you like. Now enter a username. Hit connect. |
| 23:41.13 | ibot | ...but gettingstarted is already something else... |
| 23:41.13 | JeffM | I still think they are geting directly to the fourm, not the main page |
| 23:41.24 | JeffM | Winny,ibot is silly |
| 23:41.28 | JeffM | it's nto just for us |
| 23:41.30 | KTL | ~gettingstarted |
| 23:41.31 | ibot | rumour has it, gettingstarted is http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/GettingStarted |
| 23:41.44 | JeffM | add a link to the getting started to the "getting help" wiki page |
| 23:42.00 | JeffM | say "if you are new to the game and want help, thne please see...." |
| 23:42.09 | JeffM | that is linked to in the main bzflag web page |
| 23:42.42 | JeffM | but I highly doubt that all these people are legit |
| 23:42.54 | JeffM | the format for the questions is far too repetitive |
| 23:44.03 | F687s | ~smash FTVectoriser |
| 23:44.04 | ibot | ACTION flings an anvil in FTVectoriser's general direction |
| 23:44.11 | JeffM | why? |
| 23:44.21 | JeffM | it shoudl work for you now with the current fixes |
| 23:44.24 | JeffM | unless you are on a mac |
| 23:44.31 | F687s | build errors...and I'm on a mac... |
| 23:44.55 | JeffM | then talk to brlcad and tell him what you have, cus he did the defines for the mac versions |
| 23:45.20 | JeffM | blast007, you arround? |
| 23:46.40 | F687s | it seems to be an error where the only solution is "upgrade your OS"... |
| 23:46.47 | JeffM | no |
| 23:46.57 | JeffM | change the (..) to void |
| 23:47.01 | JeffM | see if that works |
| 23:47.02 | JeffM | it should |
| 23:47.16 | JeffM | it just means that the #define for apple isn't correct |
| 23:49.56 | JeffM | main page now points to getting started |
| 23:50.02 | JeffM | can others review the page please? |
| 23:50.58 | JeffM | ibot newBZ is <respond>Players who are new to BZFlag can find help at http://www.bzflag.org and use the Getting Started link on the left hand side. |
| 23:50.59 | ibot | okay, JeffM |
| 23:51.06 | JeffM | ~newBZ |
| 23:51.07 | ibot | [newbz] <respond>Players who are new to BZFlag can find help at http://www.bzflag.org and use the Getting Started link on the left hand side. |
| 23:51.23 | JeffM | ibot no newBZ is <respond> Players who are new to BZFlag can find help at http://www.bzflag.org and use the Getting Started link on the left hand side. |
| 23:51.23 | ibot | okay, JeffM |
| 23:51.26 | JeffM | ~newBZ |
| 23:51.26 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, newbz is <respond> Players who are new to BZFlag can find help at http://www.bzflag.org and use the Getting Started link on the left hand side. |
| 23:51.30 | JeffM | bahh |
| 23:51.38 | JeffM | ibot no newBZ is <reply> Players who are new to BZFlag can find help at http://www.bzflag.org and use the Getting Started link on the left hand side. |
| 23:51.39 | ibot | JeffM: okay |
| 23:51.42 | JeffM | ~newBZ |
| 23:51.42 | ibot | Players who are new to BZFlag can find help at http://www.bzflag.org and use the Getting Started link on the left hand side. |
| 23:51.45 | JeffM | there we go |
| 23:52.30 | JeffM | if these new users are legit, we can't get anoyed at them right off the bat. |
| 23:53.47 | JeffM | I think the register link being up there in red with NO instructions on how or why to register throws people off |
| 23:56.00 | Winny | JeffM, I'm not done :p |
| 23:56.09 | JeffM | are you editing now? |
| 23:56.13 | Winny | no |
| 23:56.15 | JeffM | k |
| 23:56.22 | JeffM | I'm mostly changing the writing style |
| 23:56.24 | Winny | working on my turing based renderer |
| 23:56.35 | JeffM | removing "you" etc.. |
| 23:57.51 | Winny | You wouldn't happen to know of any papers on the basics of 3D rendering, would you? |
| 23:58.08 | JeffM | papers no, books yes |
| 23:58.24 | JeffM | I own a number of books on software rendering. |
