| 00:00.13 | Erroneous | brlcad: the pov seems off, but it's the right spot on the right map |
| 00:00.30 | brlcad | maybe just a framerate delay |
| 00:00.31 | L4m3r | it's dual monitors, with vertical spanning, and "docked" radar panel |
| 00:01.11 | L4m3r | looks nice with matching screens... I did it with a laptop and a CRT, quite ghetto :P |
| 00:01.45 | brlcad | it's the fov/pov that i'm noticing .. radar says it should be looing at a building but you can clearly see the map wall on the distant right |
| 00:02.13 | brlcad | like it's 5 deg's off or so |
| 00:02.17 | L4m3r | brlcad: that part of the map is the moat, and it's only about one unit high |
| 00:02.26 | brlcad | ahh |
| 00:02.30 | brlcad | okay |
| 00:02.31 | L4m3r | the wall you see in the HUD is the castle |
| 00:02.32 | L4m3r | :) |
| 00:02.37 | brlcad | gotit |
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| 00:02.54 | Erroneous | yeah, the wall is that curved thing behind the flat one |
| 00:03.13 | itrebal | is there a way to run bzflag fullscreened on one monitor, and allow the mouse to operate outside the game? |
| 00:03.17 | L4m3r | if you look carefully, you can see a stripe of red under the map wall... the moat wall |
| 00:05.20 | L4m3r | the dual-screen setup would be most awesome for a BZFlag arcade machine >:) |
| 00:05.50 | Winny | totally offtopic.. but this HAS to be photoshopped. http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9165/xpuptimefb8.gif |
| 00:06.16 | itrebal | I've seen it before, Winny |
| 00:06.44 | Winny | and I was proud of my 30 days :p |
| 00:06.55 | L4m3r | windows uptime is retarded |
| 00:07.11 | Winny | I mean, you gotta restart every month for patch tuesday anyways |
| 00:07.24 | L4m3r | if you keep your system up-to-date and patched, you HAVE to reboot it. letting it run 24/7 without restarting is stupid. |
| 00:07.27 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 00:08.07 | blast007 | itrebal: could try running windowed, and using Options > input settings > confine mouse |
| 00:08.24 | Erroneous | L4m3r: we have several isolated machines that have very high uptimes, partly due to NOT being patched frequently |
| 00:08.51 | L4m3r | Erroneous: well that's not a good thing :\ |
| 00:08.53 | itrebal | thanks, blast007 |
| 00:09.26 | Erroneous | L4m3r: updating certain systems without being very aware of what's going on is a very bad thing |
| 00:09.32 | L4m3r | it's fun though. when someone claims winXP is plenty stable enough, and cites their uptime, you can say "So you run it unpatched? n00b." |
| 00:09.36 | Erroneous | our build system, for instance, was just recently rebooted for the second time since I was hired |
| 00:09.45 | L4m3r | :o |
| 00:09.48 | blast007 | itrebal: the -geometry parameter is useful too |
| 00:10.45 | L4m3r | well, for such a specialized purpose, it's not a big deal anyway |
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| 00:10.58 | Erroneous | every time we patch it we have to do very thorough tests on the build, to make sure nothing critical changed...microsoft has a habit of breaking stuff. we have several patches blacklisted. |
| 00:11.21 | Erroneous | when it's that expensive to update, you just don't do it very often :) |
| 00:12.48 | itrebal | this is really strange, bzflag shouldn't be using 100% of one of my processors.. |
| 00:13.10 | Erroneous | itrebal: why not? |
| 00:13.24 | itrebal | 'cause its using it continuously and I'm not even doing anything? |
| 00:13.32 | Erroneous | it's rendering |
| 00:13.43 | itrebal | rendering what? |
| 00:13.51 | Erroneous | whatever scene you have up |
| 00:13.58 | itrebal | continuously? |
| 00:14.09 | Erroneous | we use a tight rendering loop. we render a frame, then another one |
| 00:14.18 | itrebal | ah, ok |
| 00:14.28 | Erroneous | if you don't want it to do that, use the energy saver feature |
| 00:14.34 | Erroneous | to set an fps limit |
| 00:14.42 | blast007 | or turn on vsync/vblanking |
| 00:14.55 | itrebal | nah, thats ok :) |
| 00:15.16 | tj13810 | if i have a groups file with my perms and TJ.(group) in it, it should load the group correct? |
| 00:15.31 | Erroneous | what do you mean by "load the group"? |
| 00:15.44 | itrebal | thanks |
| 00:15.53 | tj13810 | use them in BZFlag |
| 00:15.57 | tj13810 | give the permissions |
| 00:16.41 | CBG | Winny: http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/292/xpuptimehv4.gif |
| 00:16.42 | Erroneous | if you are running a public server with the correct groups file, and you have people in the groups, those people should receive the defined permissions |
| 00:16.57 | tj13810 | ok |
| 00:17.24 | Winny | CBG :p |
| 00:17.41 | CBG | Easiest thing ever to photoshop. Solid background. |
| 00:18.15 | CBG | I couldda spent 5 mins finding a suitable font, instead I just copied the existing 1s. Perhaps it was 41 days originally and someone duped the 1. |
| 00:18.33 | itrebal | this is weird, its going so slowly for me, and I didn't think I had such a bad machine :P |
| 00:18.47 | CBG | What specs? |
| 00:19.29 | itrebal | 2.2Ghz dual core, a gig of ram, nvidia fx-5200 w/ 512 ram |
| 00:19.47 | Erroneous | using nvidia's drivers? |
| 00:19.47 | CBG | should be perfectly fine for bz.. |
| 00:20.32 | itrebal | Erroneous: doesn't look like it, Xorg is using it, not sure how to change bzflag |
| 00:20.59 | Erroneous | what does it say for Renderer: when it starts up? |
| 00:21.14 | blast007 | a 512mb 5200? o.O |
| 00:21.19 | itrebal | err.. maybe its 256 |
| 00:21.43 | itrebal | mesa x11 |
| 00:21.49 | Erroneous | if it says "Mesa indirect" or something, that's no good |
| 00:22.48 | Erroneous | what does glxinfo say? |
| 00:23.22 | itrebal | a lot, want me to paste it somehwer? |
| 00:23.23 | Erroneous | (for vendor and version strings) |
| 00:23.50 | Erroneous | sure - http://pastebin.bzflag.bz |
| 00:24.17 | itrebal | http://dev.itrebal.com/~itrebal/glxinfo |
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| 00:24.23 | itrebal | (I assume thats ok too) |
| 00:24.29 | Erroneous | sure |
| 00:24.46 | Erroneous | yeah, you're doing mesa all the way through |
| 00:25.04 | Think_Differentl | no direct rendeering? |
| 00:25.06 | Erroneous | you won't get good speeds out of that |
| 00:25.09 | itrebal | hrm.. you know what, let me reboot my machine, I was having some problems with it |
| 00:25.27 | itrebal | back in a moment |
| 00:28.42 | itrebal | 3back, but it doesn't appear to be any better |
| 00:28.47 | itrebal | (refresh to see updated file) |
| 00:29.01 | spldart | glxinfo | grep direct is faster |
| 00:29.16 | itrebal | aye |
| 00:29.31 | Erroneous | spldart: I was also interested in the client and server glx vendor/version lines |
| 00:29.39 | Erroneous | that can help spot mismatched drivers |
| 00:29.45 | itrebal | in that case, *boots up firefox and looks to see how to enable direct rendoring |
| 00:29.49 | Erroneous | in this case, there's no mismatch, just mesa all the way through :) |
| 00:29.51 | spldart | oez |
| 00:30.00 | spldart | what distro? |
| 00:30.10 | itrebal | me? Gentoo |
| 00:30.14 | spldart | ah |
| 00:30.15 | Erroneous | itrebal: I'm guessing you either are using the "nv" drivers instead of "nvidia", or you have not enabled direct rendering |
| 00:30.37 | itrebal | I'm using nvidia, I'm looking at enabling hardware 3d acceleration |
| 00:30.49 | Erroneous | both changes should be made by nvidia's installer, assuming all the config stuff is sane |
| 00:32.05 | Erroneous | (which is not guaranteed, particularly in the case of multi-monitor configs) |
| 00:32.16 | itrebal | right |
| 00:33.08 | spldart | Don't know gentoo I had to resolve the 3d thing in debian recently for nvidia :( |
| 00:34.26 | blast007 | itrebal: me personally, I would reinstall the driver from nvidia |
| 00:34.46 | blast007 | but I don't use gentoo |
| 00:34.51 | itrebal | it looks to me like I need to recompile my kernel |
| 00:35.00 | Erroneous | blast007: that can be rather destructive, particularly in complex configurations (compiz, multiple monitors, etc) |
| 00:35.41 | blast007 | Erroneous: I've done it on Ubuntu |
| 00:35.47 | blast007 | with compiz |
| 00:35.58 | Erroneous | itrebal: the nvidia drivers should be distributed as a module; you should only need to recompile your kernel if you disabled module support, or have the "pure gpl" settings enabled |
| 00:35.59 | L4m3r | noob |
| 00:36.01 | blast007 | I upgraded X.org |
| 00:36.08 | blast007 | L4m3r: pfft |
| 00:36.16 | L4m3r | debian distributions typically have their own method for installing the nvidia driver |
| 00:36.23 | L4m3r | module assistant is your friend :) |
| 00:36.33 | itrebal | Erroneous: I have the nvidia module installed, but it was a fight w/ dual monitors |
| 00:36.35 | blast007 | hmm, maybe I did that then |
| 00:36.44 | spldart | I got the nvidia module for the kernel and the nvidia-gl support in seperate aptitude grabs |
| 00:36.52 | spldart | for debian |
| 00:37.09 | blast007 | been a while since I used slackware+nvidia ;) |
| 00:37.11 | Erroneous | if the module is loaded, then that's probably not the problem. X configuration issues are a lot more common |
| 00:37.31 | Erroneous | 'cause XOrg configuration is a bitch |
| 00:38.59 | spldart | ooOOoo... would like to see your x conf ;-) |
| 00:39.16 | Erroneous | spldart: remind me when I get home, I'll dig it up |
| 00:39.22 | spldart | :) |
| 00:39.38 | Erroneous | linux box here has a rage128 in it :) |
| 00:39.56 | spldart | I've still got 2 128's and an Xpert in the works here |
| 00:40.03 | spldart | along with ati AIW' |
| 00:40.04 | spldart | s |
| 00:40.19 | spldart | and some nvidia from geforce2 to geforce 6800 |
| 00:40.23 | Erroneous | which was it's own variety of pain to set up, I should point out. apparently it's not a huge fan of 1440x900 |
| 00:40.38 | spldart | Oh.. And one Rage Fury |
| 00:41.43 | spldart | Those real old ATI cards are a pain to setup.. Esp with any accell at all |
| 00:42.11 | L4m3r | ati and linux is a pain in general |
| 00:42.27 | L4m3r | in fact, linux is just a pain :P |
| 00:42.27 | Erroneous | should be getting better though...yay for published specs! |
| 00:44.19 | ViciousM | ...someone need me? |
| 00:44.49 | blast007 | they left, ViciousM |
| 00:44.57 | Erroneous | "peterv" or someone was looking for you |
| 00:45.00 | blast007 | thankfully |
| 00:45.17 | ViciousM | okay-good. |
| 00:50.04 | spldart | Linux... Is not... a pain. :squint: |
| 00:50.28 | spldart | It's really becoming a great love of mine :) |
| 00:50.50 | Erroneous | spldart: masochist :P |
| 00:50.51 | L4m3r | just because it's worth it, doesn't mean it isn't painful to set up :) |
| 00:51.18 | spldart | Heh @ l4m3r, LOL @ Erroneous |
| 00:58.52 | awilcox | Erroneous: and someone called me a masochist for using xp the other day ;) |
| 00:59.15 | awilcox | it depends on the situation. I STILL feel Linux belongs in the backroom with the servers, not upfront on the gaming/performance PC |
| 00:59.32 | spldart | XP Pro and Debian dual boot's all around... I guess I'm a double masochist |
| 00:59.54 | awilcox | the best framerate I've ever had with Linux is 30fps (Windows got 32 or so, not much difference on old radeons though) |
| 01:00.09 | awilcox | spldart: well you have an AIW...you are beyond masochism :P |
| 01:00.32 | spldart | LOL... Only have some old ones stil in service.. the new ones are to unreliable |
| 01:00.50 | awilcox | spldart: that's the one I'm talking about...it's in my 1997 desktop, actually came as an IGP |
| 01:00.59 | spldart | And Hauppauge cards HATE overclocking severely :( |
| 01:01.01 | awilcox | yes I have a AIW solderded to my mobo |
| 01:01.15 | awilcox | *soldered |
| 01:01.26 | awilcox | it is awesome...but alas, no AGP slot = no upgrade |
| 01:01.29 | spldart | My oldest is not even AIW.. it's a PCI Pro with tuner |
| 01:01.47 | awilcox | spldart: oldest, I have you beat...I have a Cirrus Logic GD54xx |
| 01:01.59 | spldart | Got one of those.. but it's not in use |
| 01:02.00 | awilcox | The one they emulate with Qemu...yeah I have it in real life in PCI form |
| 01:02.48 | awilcox | spldart: and for *really old*, I have a Chips and Technologies something or other from 1990, and an original XT CGA :P |
| 01:04.03 | spldart | check this.. I can't find my oldest vid card @ the moment but I do have a S3 virge DX |
| 01:04.19 | Erroneous | heh |
| 01:04.27 | awilcox | Ah. |
| 01:04.28 | Erroneous | I had a Virge GX |
| 01:04.34 | awilcox | I have a S3 Trio64V+ |
| 01:04.45 | Erroneous | had a Trio64 too |
| 01:04.57 | awilcox | Trio64 is a nice X11 workstation thing |
| 01:05.03 | awilcox | well, it was in '95 :) |
| 01:05.04 | Erroneous | fried the trio, virge died on me |
| 01:05.11 | awilcox | er *96 |
| 01:05.22 | awilcox | Erroneous: heh, I still have my Trio :) it hums along in Red Hat 5 nicely |
| 01:05.36 | spldart | found my old trident for pci but still looking for my isa vid card |
| 01:05.45 | Think_Differentl | I have a Trio64V+ too! |
| 01:06.02 | awilcox | Think_Differentl: :D ISA/PCI/IGP? |
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| 01:06.09 | Think_Differentl | PCI |
| 01:06.16 | awilcox | And I don't mean on-board PCI, I mean real PCI :P |
| 01:06.23 | Think_Differentl | yeah, real PCI |
| 01:06.24 | awilcox | my Trio64V+ is on-board PCI =/ |
| 01:06.36 | awilcox | the first non-on-board card I got was a 3D Rage Pro. |
| 01:06.48 | Think_Differentl | came in a gateway 2000 that I found in the alley. |
| 01:07.14 | awilcox | JeffM: thought long and hard about what you said last night...your words crept under my skin a bit, but that's a good thing -- I'm putting xp x64 on the Xeon, and I'm going to ask less stupid questions |
| 01:07.42 | JeffM | how much ram do you have? |
| 01:07.50 | awilcox | JeffM: 4 gigs |
| 01:07.59 | JeffM | k |
| 01:08.15 | awilcox | a guy on another channel has spares he wants to give me, so I will have 7 |
| 01:08.16 | JeffM | there are some issues with games on 64 |
| 01:08.19 | JeffM | but less |
| 01:08.32 | Erroneous | most consumer stuff will run on 64, if you can get all the right drivers |
| 01:08.40 | JeffM | indeed |
| 01:08.52 | JeffM | Jer ran 64 for a while at hime |
| 01:08.53 | JeffM | home |
| 01:08.54 | awilcox | Erroneous: by 'consumer' that includes Visual Studio right? |
| 01:08.57 | JeffM | but went back to 32 |
| 01:08.58 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 01:09.05 | JeffM | awilcox, I run 64 at work |
| 01:09.22 | Think_Differentl | x64 linux does fine, on the contrary of Vista. :P |
| 01:09.30 | awilcox | if it can do Visual Studio, Photoshop, and new(er) games (well and VM stuff and kernel stuff), then I'll be happy |
| 01:09.39 | JeffM | noone said anything about vista |
| 01:09.43 | Erroneous | yeah, all that will run ok |
| 01:10.13 | Erroneous | xp64's problems are with older games, most newer ones are fine |
| 01:10.14 | JeffM | I've pondered puting 64 on this laptop |
| 01:10.16 | Think_Differentl | er, I meant XP |
| 01:10.43 | awilcox | Erroneous: Old as in made-for-Win98 or old as in needing DOSBox? |
| 01:10.59 | JeffM | probably both |
| 01:11.11 | spldart | Poop.. can't find my old isa vid card |
| 01:11.17 | Erroneous | yeah, both |
| 01:11.26 | Erroneous | but those that need dosbox, you can run in dosbox :) |
| 01:11.58 | Erroneous | there's a gap in the middle where you had 32-bit games with 16-bit components, that occasionally will not run on xp64 |
| 01:12.13 | Erroneous | Starfleet Command III comes to mind |
| 01:13.09 | awilcox | http://i29.tinypic.com/dgi687.png -- that's my radar :D |
| 01:13.12 | awilcox | Er, oops, ww. |
| 01:13.32 | Erroneous | ww? that's more on-topic than anything else you've said in here today! :) |
| 01:13.46 | awilcox | Haha. |
| 01:13.49 | Winny | awilcox, you have tiny radar |
| 01:14.06 | awilcox | Winny: I need the 3D part to aim correctly, I dunno why |
| 01:14.20 | Winny | http://bzfusion.net/gu-league/winny/bzfi1150.png :) |
| 01:14.41 | Erroneous | awilcox: http://www.flickr.com/photos/70832255@N00/2195164018/ |
| 01:14.59 | awilcox | 1680...evil winny! :P |
| 01:15.03 | Winny | :D |
| 01:21.05 | spldart | Daytona 64V 3DX |
| 01:21.41 | spldart | rev |
| 01:21.43 | spldart | a |
| 01:21.59 | awilcox | haha...I sometimes wonder how sane we all are |
| 01:22.11 | awilcox | I mean, we're fighting over who has the oldest VGA graphics card |
| 01:22.21 | awilcox | oh well |
| 01:22.35 | awilcox | I'll see your Daytona and offer up another Cirrus Logic of even older variety. |
| 01:22.48 | Winny | 6600! \o/ |
| 01:22.58 | awilcox | Winny: That ain't old. |
| 01:23.03 | Winny | yes it is :p |
| 01:23.24 | awilcox | Winny: no, that's pretty new compared to the Daytonas and Cirrus Logics of yesterdecade :P |
| 01:24.27 | awilcox | They never made a 50MHz Pentium. |
| 01:24.34 | Winny | hmm |
| 01:24.43 | Winny | I don't remember what it was exactly... I know it was below 100mhz |
| 01:24.50 | awilcox | The lowest Pentium clockspeed was 60MHz. |
| 01:24.52 | itrebal | buffer close |
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| 01:25.08 | awilcox | JeffM: \o/ where? |
| 01:25.09 | Winny | JeffM, were you in canada? ;) |
| 01:25.14 | JeffM | Winny, nope |
| 01:25.19 | Winny | cause, you know, I see about 4 feet of it right now :p |
| 01:25.28 | JeffM | reststop before flagstaff |
| 01:25.47 | awilcox | ah nice :) |
| 01:26.21 | awilcox | JeffM: right after you left I looked at store.bz. It's great, but can you remove the "Zen Cart!" from the title? |
| 01:26.40 | Winny | http://bzfusion.net/kyle/snow/P1090259.JPG ;) |
| 01:26.52 | JeffM | awilcox, yes, I haveent done any of the template edits yet |
| 01:27.08 | awilcox | :( |
| 01:27.17 | awilcox | Winny: *cries* I want snow :( |
| 01:27.23 | Winny | No, you don't :P |
| 01:27.24 | JeffM | awilcox, sorry, it's hard to code and drive at the asme time :) |
| 01:27.25 | awilcox | JeffM: ah okay, just wondering. |
| 01:27.33 | awilcox | haha. yeah. |
| 01:28.31 | awilcox | errno = -ECARCRASH; return -1; |
| 01:28.35 | Winny | today sitting in class, my teacher was waving at someone in the hall, and I thught "wait, how is he doing that without a loop" for a split second.. ick |
| 01:28.58 | Winny | and so it begins :p |
| 01:29.02 | awilcox | Winny: lol |
| 01:29.26 | awilcox | Winny: of course, you are a bear of very little brain. but you obviously have enough to pwn in bz and know some C++ :) |
| 01:29.57 | awilcox | Winny: you are a pooh bear! |
| 01:30.06 | Evelyk | happy now? |
| 01:30.14 | awilcox | No :( |
| 01:30.23 | awilcox | Now you're Evel Knevel. |
| 01:30.26 | JeffM | when is hje happy ;) |
| 01:30.57 | awilcox | JeffM: maybe when the old router is routing again I will be :) |
| 01:31.45 | Winny | the shirt is only 12$? that seems awfully low... |
| 01:32.10 | JeffM | Winny, indeed |
| 01:32.14 | JeffM | that's the point |
| 01:32.25 | Winny | hmm? |
| 01:32.37 | awilcox | eh. a five pack of white cotton shirts is like maybe 5-10$ at Target |
| 01:32.38 | JeffM | we'll probably only pay 8ish per shirt |
| 01:33.02 | JeffM | if they are cheaper, we sell more ;) |
| 01:33.53 | spldart | Winny the who bear? |
| 01:34.16 | spldart | LOL |
| 01:34.17 | awilcox | HEY?! |
| 01:34.40 | awilcox | spldart: He's Winny the Pooh Bear!@ |
| 01:34.43 | awilcox | s/@// |
| 01:35.41 | Winny | JeffM, what about hats? |
| 01:35.57 | JeffM | Winny, we will start small |
| 01:35.59 | awilcox | ooh a bz hat, THATS something I might get. |
| 01:35.59 | JeffM | but maybe |
| 01:36.42 | awilcox | JeffM: one thing. maybe you should say all the platforms we support? mention BSD, Irix, etc? |
| 01:36.54 | JeffM | awilcox, you think that is serious text? |
| 01:36.58 | Winny | that's what the main page is for ;) |
| 01:37.20 | spldart | IB BZFlag collectables that peeps keep in the plastic to keep their value as collectors items |
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| 01:37.58 | JeffM | the entire product lineup is to test the siite |
| 01:38.03 | JeffM | I'll do real one laster |
| 01:38.17 | Winny | aww, you mean brlcad won't actually be giving out kisses? ;) |
| 01:38.29 | JeffM | only if you ask nicely |
| 01:38.33 | awilcox | haha. |
| 01:38.35 | Winny | hehe |
| 01:38.40 | awilcox | ~kiss brlcad |
| 01:38.41 | ibot | ACTION forces brlcad to give blast007 a big kiss on the hand |
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| 01:39.23 | spldart | Tiz a pitty Montgomery.. For I shaved especially close in anticipation of being smacked by you. |
| 01:39.41 | awilcox | Lol. |
| 01:40.45 | spldart | LOL |
| 01:44.31 | Winny | JeffM, how did you get blender to outline the faces in the render? |
| 01:44.41 | JeffM | blender.....? |
| 01:44.50 | JeffM | lightwave |
| 01:44.56 | Winny | ah, ick |
| 01:45.00 | JeffM | no ick |
| 01:45.04 | JeffM | vunderbar |
| 01:45.14 | Winny | :( |
| 01:45.21 | JeffM | it's just not free |
| 01:45.27 | JeffM | tis a great modeler |
| 01:45.36 | JeffM | very good for polywork |
| 01:45.59 | JeffM | and that's just the mode in the modeler called 'weighted shade" |
| 01:46.10 | JeffM | it's not rendered |
| 01:46.20 | JeffM | lightwave uses a seperate rendering app |
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| 02:00.20 | blast007 | JeffM: I found why meshes are broken. We are colliding with a MeshFace, not a Mesh |
| 02:00.34 | JeffM | makes sense |
| 02:00.42 | JeffM | all the meshes are broken down to meshfaces |
| 02:01.53 | JeffM | for collisions it's all broken down in base faces |
| 02:02.14 | JeffM | techincaly rendering too, for the world |
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| 02:17.46 | BZFlagr60 | hey |
| 02:17.57 | JeffM | hello |
| 02:18.14 | BZFlagr60 | where is everyone else |
| 02:18.30 | JeffM | not everyone reads everything that happens here |
| 02:18.35 | JeffM | or comments on everything |
| 02:18.41 | BZFlagr60 | ok |
| 02:18.48 | JeffM | tis the nature of IRC |
| 02:18.59 | BZFlagr60 | are more people here |
| 02:19.08 | think_tank | What do you need now peter 4b? |
| 02:19.21 | BZFlagr60 | nothing |
| 02:19.26 | think_tank | did you get your groups to work? |
| 02:19.32 | JeffM | you can't end games here to be a jerk, just so you know. |
| 02:19.40 | BZFlagr60 | catay where are you |
| 02:20.05 | BZFlagr60 | hello |
| 02:20.09 | JeffM | if you are looking for someone specific, it's better to send them a PM on the fourms |
| 02:20.15 | BZFlagr60 | ok |
| 02:20.15 | JeffM | that way they are sure to get it |
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| 02:20.33 | think_tank | heh. poor catay |
| 02:20.50 | JeffM | why? |
| 02:21.22 | think_tank | spldard said he has been bugging and annoying him for a while |
| 02:21.32 | JeffM | for what? |
| 02:21.57 | think_tank | dunno exactly, but he was clearly frustrated |
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| 02:33.43 | blast007 | is there a reason we have stuff like "#define _Wall_ID 1" in ObstacleMgr.h when we could instead use the enum from Obstacle.h ? We already include it within ObstacleMgr.h |
| 02:34.59 | JeffM | probably just cus difrent people write it |
| 02:35.05 | JeffM | enums are good |
| 02:35.31 | blast007 | JeffM: and also, shouldn't we return 0 from ClientIntangibilityManager::getWorldObjectTangibility instead of 255 if the obstacle can't be found? |
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| 02:35.37 | blast007 | 255 makes it drivethrough |
| 02:36.07 | JeffM | k |
| 02:36.09 | blast007 | technically I guess we shouldn't even *have* an instance where we can't find the obstacle |
| 02:36.13 | JeffM | heh |
| 02:36.21 | JeffM | but sure, any value is fine |
| 02:36.27 | blast007 | that's where the MeshFace is coming in ;) |
| 02:36.33 | JeffM | ahh |
| 02:36.48 | blast007 | it's getting 255 back, since we have "#define _INVALID_TANGIBILITY 255" |
| 02:36.56 | JeffM | k |
| 02:37.08 | blast007 | but I guess that's a good indicator to have for when we miss obstacles :) |
| 02:37.29 | JeffM | well we should also fix it so it gets t he faces instead of the object |
| 02:37.37 | JeffM | or some backlink to the object |
| 02:41.13 | blast007 | does each face have a GUID? |
| 02:41.34 | blast007 | cause it's already apparently looping through the MeshFace's |
| 02:41.42 | blast007 | so we just need to handle them |
| 02:41.54 | JeffM | probably not |
| 02:42.08 | JeffM | it should not be too hard to |
| 02:42.22 | blast007 | hmm, yeah, I do recall them having a GUID of 65535 (or thereabouts) |
| 02:43.59 | blast007 | and I've exceeded my knowledge on this one :/ |
| 02:44.20 | JeffM | you are learning good stuff. |
| 02:44.23 | blast007 | copy & paste isn't going to fix the one ;) |
| 02:44.26 | blast007 | yeah |
| 02:44.34 | blast007 | this one* |
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| 02:59.29 | spldart | nighty night |
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| 03:10.28 | Slynderdale | I'm having a problem with my server :/ |
| 03:10.35 | blast007 | ok |
| 03:10.41 | blast007 | what's the issue exactly? |
| 03:11.56 | Slynderdale | blast007: When I run it, I can connect to it via local server but when anyone else connected to it, they immediatly get booted. |
| 03:12.16 | JeffM | do the get an error? |
| 03:13.08 | Slynderdale | JeffM: No, though I am using a custom map and that may be the problem. |
| 03:13.22 | JeffM | if that was the issue, you'd crash too |
| 03:13.26 | blast007 | what error do their clients show? |
| 03:13.36 | blast007 | and how far do they get? |
| 03:13.46 | JeffM | do they crash? or just say "server forced a disconnect"? |
| 03:14.02 | blast007 | my guess is too many flags |
| 03:14.06 | JeffM | probably |
| 03:14.10 | JeffM | how many do you have? |
| 03:15.47 | blast007 | for instance, +f good{50} doesn't add 50 flags, but 50 of *every* good flag |
| 03:16.00 | JeffM | 16 flags per IIRC |
| 03:16.23 | blast007 | we have 42 flags now total |
| 03:16.24 | Slynderdale | Hmm |
| 03:16.35 | blast007 | so whatever that breaks down to 'good' flags |
| 03:16.58 | blast007 | oh wait, I counted team flags too |
| 03:16.59 | JeffM | how many flags do you add Slynderdale ? |
| 03:17.00 | Slynderdale | -a 50 38 -c +f sw{10} +f wg{8} +f mg{5} +f l{5} -j -ms 5 -public "The Kernel Map: the FIRST bzwb map!" +r |
| 03:17.07 | Slynderdale | Thats the maps options |
| 03:17.21 | JeffM | 28 flags |
| 03:17.22 | blast007 | there might be flags inside the map file as well |
| 03:17.31 | blast007 | either in zones or in the options block |
| 03:17.31 | JeffM | that is from the map |
| 03:17.39 | JeffM | take out those flags and see |
| 03:18.12 | Slynderdale | I'm on Windows and I placed the map in my worlds folder to launch the server but I can't connect to it yet if I run it from the command line I can |
| 03:18.29 | blast007 | is it a CTF map? |
| 03:18.40 | JeffM | yeah the in game thing dosn't work well |
| 03:18.55 | blast007 | in-game menu fails on CTF maps that don't have all 4 teams' bases |
| 03:19.15 | JeffM | in game menu fails on lots of things ;) |
| 03:19.16 | blast007 | though technically it's bzfs that is failing |
| 03:19.20 | Slynderdale | blast007: Mind if I PM you the link to the map in question? |
| 03:19.28 | blast007 | not at all |
| 03:19.29 | JeffM | why do you have to pm it? |
| 03:19.40 | blast007 | if it's just a link, it's fine here |
| 03:19.56 | Slynderdale | JeffM: Eh, a friend of mine made it sice well, I'm still a bit new at BZFlag and doesn't want me to distribute it |
| 03:20.07 | JeffM | ahh |
| 03:20.17 | JeffM | well it comes down to 2 things probalby |
| 03:20.19 | JeffM | flags, or the route |
| 03:20.28 | JeffM | take out the flags, see if that helps |
| 03:20.32 | JeffM | if that dosn't then it's the route |
| 03:20.45 | JeffM | when doing custom maps prety much always run from the command line |
| 03:20.48 | JeffM | it gives you full conroll |
| 03:21.27 | blast007 | one thing to try is just a really basic bzfs config, as in, just a random map |
| 03:21.31 | blast007 | and see if they can get in |
| 03:22.02 | blast007 | that'll narrow down where the issue lies |
| 03:22.02 | JeffM | indeed |
| 03:22.02 | Slynderdale | blast007: I did have a random map and they came in alright, though I did PM you the link |
| 03:22.07 | JeffM | just do bzfs -public "your descriptions" |
| 03:22.11 | JeffM | and see if you can run |
| 03:22.17 | JeffM | Slynderdale, then it's flags |
| 03:22.26 | JeffM | windows has issues sending large flag packets |
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| 03:25.39 | Slynderdale | JeffM: I PMed you the link to the map in question. I don't see any other flags president then the options bit |
| 03:25.50 | JeffM | ok, then take em out |
| 03:25.54 | JeffM | and try again |
| 03:36.59 | awilcox | Slynderdale: Did taking out the flags help? |
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| 03:47.45 | awilcox | Slynderdale: I get "Trying...Error connecting to server". |
| 03:52.31 | blast007 | I got in |
| 03:52.35 | blast007 | but wasn't able to spawn |
| 03:52.41 | blast007 | smells like too many flags |
| 03:52.44 | awilcox | I can't spawn either |
| 03:53.02 | blast007 | I see quite a few on the radar |
| 03:53.04 | awilcox | there are a lot |
| 03:53.24 | awilcox | Slynderdale: I finally did get in but no spawning...try removing some flags :) |
| 03:53.37 | awilcox | take out +f good altogether |
| 03:53.52 | Slynderdale | awilcox: I did :/ From the map file and the config |
| 03:54.09 | blast007 | there are flags there |
| 03:54.25 | blast007 | did you restart the server after making the change? |
| 03:54.28 | Slynderdale | blast007: I removed the +f options yet there are still flags there |
| 03:54.33 | Slynderdale | blast007: Yeap |
| 03:54.47 | blast007 | are you passing a config file or anything else on the command line? |
| 03:57.19 | Slynderdale | awilcox: Now try |
| 03:57.42 | awilcox | woooo |
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| 04:01.44 | hwilde | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.44 | hwilde | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.44 | JeffM_ | hwilde, ummm.. this isn't in game |
| 04:02.15 | hwilde | :) |
| 04:02.47 | hwilde | how many times do you think he is going to ban me before he learns that i'm not cheating |
| 04:03.00 | JeffM_ | play elsewhere |
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| 04:03.11 | hwilde | where's that hockey map that was awesome |
| 04:03.21 | awilcox | hahahahaha |
| 04:03.30 | awilcox | it's on a loop server or whatever they call it. |
| 04:03.37 | hwilde | rotation? |
| 04:03.41 | awilcox | yeah. |
| 04:04.28 | hwilde | how about overlord and babel |
| 04:04.31 | hwilde | those were good too |
| 04:05.04 | awilcox | I miss hepcat so :( |
| 04:05.19 | hwilde | u mean pillbox ? |
| 04:05.24 | awilcox | yeah |
| 04:06.02 | hwilde | maybe I will bring up my own server just so I can ban whammo for no reason |
| 04:06.05 | hwilde | hmmmm |
| 04:06.19 | JeffM_ | yeah, that's manture |
| 04:06.21 | awilcox | that's not a very nice thing to do. |
| 04:06.34 | awilcox | You want to be _better_ than him. |
| 04:06.46 | hwilde | I am better than him, but he has an @ sign |
| 04:06.48 | awilcox | And letting him play on your server, maybe he will realise you aren't such a bad guy after all. |
| 04:07.00 | awilcox | You never know. |
| 04:07.07 | hwilde | if he were going to realize, he should realize that the server owner has unbanned me four times now |
| 04:07.21 | hwilde | I think the lightbulb is permanently out |
| 04:07.22 | JeffM_ | that's the owner's problem then |
| 04:08.10 | awilcox | Did you nicely suggest that the owner maybe have a sit-down with the op? |
| 04:08.14 | hwilde | is there somewhere I can just donate money for the server and have someone else deal with it |
| 04:08.27 | JeffM_ | huh? |
| 04:08.38 | JeffM_ | we don't run servers |
| 04:08.38 | awilcox | hwilde: Money doesn't solve everything, and no. That's quite the wrong way to go about it. |
| 04:08.49 | JeffM_ | it's called talking to people, it's what we do in the real world. |
| 04:08.57 | Slynderdale | hMM, Is it possible to always have _wingsJumpCount set to 5? |
| 04:09.06 | JeffM_ | sounds like the server is poorly adminied, go elsewhere |
| 04:09.22 | JeffM_ | Slynderdale, sure, with a vars file or a command line option |
| 04:09.39 | Slynderdale | JeffM_: How would I go about doing that? |
| 04:10.05 | JeffM_ | have you read the command line options page on the wiki? |
| 04:10.48 | hwilde | when you connect to a server with bzclient, how many ports of traffic are actually used? |
| 04:10.54 | JeffM_ | 1 |
| 04:10.58 | JeffM_ | the port you connect on |
| 04:11.02 | JeffM_ | both TCP and UDP |
| 04:12.30 | awilcox | ~lart Slynderdale with a cluebat |
| 04:12.30 | ibot | turns Slynderdale with a cluebat into a lifesized tux doll |
| 04:12.44 | Slynderdale | awilcox: Bah one sec ;p |
| 04:12.51 | JeffM_ | Slynderdale, you want -set from http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFS_Command_Line_Options |
| 04:13.03 | awilcox | I was winning, you just want an excuse to reset :p |
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| 04:16.23 | awilcox | I searched the Wiki to no avail; what is Anisotropic? |
| 04:16.54 | hwilde | it's a video card setting |
| 04:16.55 | awilcox | It's set to "Off" and I'm wondering if I could/should turn it on...normally it says Not Available on my other cards... |
| 04:17.14 | hwilde | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anisotropic_filtering |
| 04:17.34 | hwilde | it will sort of focus stuff in the distance |
| 04:18.29 | awilcox | ah |
| 04:19.00 | Slynderdale | awilcox: Ok, server's up |
| 04:23.11 | JeffM_ | awilcox, it's what you need glew for |
| 04:23.16 | JeffM_ | it's a filtering method |
| 04:23.39 | JeffM_ | your new card supports it, that's why it's available now |
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| 04:34.46 | Slynderdale | [11:34:17p] <djahandarie> I can't join it either Slynderdale. |
| 04:34.46 | Slynderdale | [11:34:19p] <krustofski> i press 'i' and right click and nothing |
| 04:34.53 | Slynderdale | What would cause this problem? |
| 04:35.29 | JeffM_ | hard to say |
| 04:36.10 | Slynderdale | JeffM_: Want to check out te map in action? |
| 04:36.19 | Slynderdale | To see if it works alright for you? |
| 04:36.24 | JeffM_ | what nope |
| 04:37.33 | hwilde | need to set player initial spawn point probly |
| 04:38.17 | JeffM_ | you generaly don't set the spawns in maps |
| 04:38.20 | JeffM_ | it is computed |
| 04:38.36 | JeffM_ | you only have to set it in very specific mesh based maps |
| 04:38.38 | Slynderdale | Theres 6 other players on the map though :/ |
| 04:38.44 | JeffM_ | where a mesh replaces the ground |
| 04:38.51 | JeffM_ | Slynderdale, how much bandiwth do you have? |
| 04:38.54 | JeffM_ | upstream? |
| 04:39.11 | Slynderdale | JeffM_: Cable modem, around 200 kilobytes |
| 04:39.18 | JeffM_ | you may be flooded |
| 04:39.42 | Slynderdale | JeffM_: Hmm, only some people are expierncing the problems as others freely join |
| 04:39.56 | JeffM_ | hard to say |
| 04:40.09 | JeffM_ | does it seem to hang around 6 people? |
| 04:40.40 | Slynderdale | JeffM_: Nope, its all fluid and no one is lagging |
| 04:40.51 | JeffM_ | dunno then |
| 04:41.08 | Slynderdale | [11:40:37p] <krustofski> Slynderdale, i'm connected, but its blinking that i need to right click or hit 'i' |
| 04:41.08 | Slynderdale | [11:40:41p] <krustofski> when i do, nothing happens |
| 04:41.42 | JeffM_ | means your server isn't sending back a spawn |
| 04:41.49 | Slynderdale | Hmm |
| 04:47.53 | pacman81 | sly: did you just shut it down? |
| 04:48.48 | awilcox | Slynderdale: everyone is 'nr' |
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| 04:58.50 | hwilde | if you do a printf in the bzflag code, where does it go ? I even tried fprintf(stdout |
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| 04:59.09 | JeffM_ | what OS are you on? |
| 04:59.15 | hwilde | linux |
| 04:59.33 | DTRemenak | it goes to the launching console |
| 04:59.33 | JeffM_ | should go to the terminal you openend to start the game |
| 04:59.42 | hwilde | I concur... |
| 05:00.26 | hwilde | I want to see when it opens the udp port in nethandler |
| 05:03.07 | hwilde | so in src/game/NetHandler.cxx under the function void NetHandler::udpSend(const void *b, size_t l) { |
| 05:03.27 | hwilde | I added simple fprintf(stdout, "udp send"); |
| 05:03.58 | hwilde | then I remake but it doesn't say that in the console tho |
| 05:05.34 | hwilde | I don't even think it uses that file |
| 05:14.47 | JeffM_ | did you do just a make |
| 05:15.07 | JeffM_ | or a make install? |
| 05:29.12 | hwilde | just a make |
| 05:30.01 | JeffM_ | then you are probably running your old binary |
| 05:30.08 | JeffM_ | make install puts it into the path, etc... |
| 05:30.18 | JeffM_ | unless you are running ./src/bzflag/bzflag |
| 05:30.20 | hwilde | always some mundane detail |
| 05:30.35 | hwilde | i am running that path but let me try make install anyways |
| 05:31.42 | hwilde | nope that makes no difference |
| 05:31.54 | hwilde | the timestamp on the binary did change |
| 05:31.58 | hwilde | but there are no printfs |
| 05:32.35 | JeffM_ | dunno |
| 05:32.44 | JeffM_ | I always just use debuger breakpoints |
| 05:33.02 | hwilde | the -g option is not cool for some reason :/ |
| 05:33.31 | hwilde | can I print to the chat window inside the game? |
| 05:33.34 | hwilde | hmmmmmmmm |
| 05:33.37 | hwilde | screw stdout!! |
| 05:34.31 | JeffM_ | yeah there is a method in the controlpannel |
| 05:34.44 | JeffM_ | just not all parts of the code have access to it |
| 05:34.47 | JeffM_ | like net code |
| 05:34.54 | JeffM_ | cus some of it's used by both client and server |
| 05:35.14 | hwilde | nethandler seems to refuse to print anything |
| 05:35.29 | hwilde | udp starts up when you join a game right ? |
| 05:35.38 | JeffM_ | yeah UDP is always tried |
| 05:35.46 | JeffM_ | after the first TCP connction |
| 05:35.47 | hwilde | bc it kicks you if not |
| 05:35.58 | JeffM_ | most servers do if UDP is blocked |
| 05:36.00 | JeffM_ | some do not |
| 05:36.09 | JeffM_ | TCP games are not good, they are generaly laggy |
| 05:36.21 | JeffM_ | are you blocking UDP? |
| 05:38.07 | hwilde | nope, but I would like to see the udp sends |
| 05:38.23 | JeffM_ | not all messages are UDP |
| 05:38.28 | JeffM_ | what are you looking for? |
| 05:38.53 | hwilde | I am looking for a print statement in NetHandler::udpSend |
| 05:39.03 | JeffM_ | I know that, but why |
| 05:39.07 | JeffM_ | what is your overall goal |
| 05:39.36 | hwilde | hack the planet ? |
| 05:39.47 | JeffM_ | what does that mean? |
| 05:40.25 | hwilde | you've never seen Hackers ? |
| 05:40.29 | JeffM_ | nope |
| 05:40.33 | hwilde | its a classic |
| 05:40.40 | JeffM_ | I'll take your word for it |
| 05:41.45 | hwilde | you don't have to, it's widely available |
| 05:42.04 | JeffM_ | still haven't answered my question |
| 05:42.23 | hwilde | you still haven't told me where my printf is going |
| 05:42.28 | JeffM_ | elsewhere |
| 05:42.47 | JeffM_ | if I knew what you were trying to do, I coudl sugest other ways to do it |
| 05:43.02 | hwilde | I want some indicator of when the udp traffic goes |
| 05:43.16 | hwilde | printing to the screen, to a file, flashing lights, whatever |
| 05:43.22 | JeffM_ | like per message? |
| 05:43.37 | hwilde | like per printf in NetHandler::udpSend function |
| 05:43.37 | JeffM_ | or just when it starts? |
| 05:43.45 | hwilde | I would settle for when it starts |
| 05:43.53 | JeffM_ | UDP is connectionless |
| 05:44.02 | JeffM_ | so it dosn't realy start and end as "communication" |
| 05:44.11 | hwilde | you said starts |
| 05:44.15 | hwilde | I am just agreeing with you |
| 05:44.24 | JeffM_ | well starts would be first message |
| 05:44.35 | JeffM_ | what version of the sources do you have? |
| 05:44.52 | hwilde | 2.0.10 |
| 05:45.31 | JeffM_ | net handler is tricky beause it's used by both the client and the server |
| 05:45.47 | JeffM_ | I'm trying to remember if you can use the debug method in there. |
| 05:46.09 | hwilde | like logDebugMessage(2,"\n"); |
| 05:46.20 | JeffM_ | you sure you are in .10? |
| 05:46.30 | JeffM_ | oh I guess I did backport that to branch |
| 05:46.30 | JeffM_ | yeah |
| 05:46.38 | hwilde | /home/hwilde/bzflag-2.0.10/src/game |
| 05:46.40 | JeffM_ | but set the numberto 0 |
| 05:46.51 | JeffM_ | it used to just be called DEBUG2 |
| 05:47.36 | JeffM_ | you could also install a loging handler for the client, since it dosn't use one in there, only the server does for the API |
| 05:48.40 | hwilde | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.01 | JeffM_ | if the debug level is set to 2 or higher, dump out to the platforms debug output method |
| 05:49.05 | JeffM_ | on nix, the terminal |
| 05:49.25 | hwilde | ok I set it to zero |
| 05:49.31 | hwilde | so it should print out |
| 05:49.38 | JeffM_ | one would think |
| 05:49.56 | JeffM_ | unless the stdout is used for something else during socket streams ( it may be ) |
| 05:50.13 | hwilde | hmmm |
| 05:51.01 | hwilde | I am suspicious of the client side usage of NetHandler.cxx altogether |
| 05:51.08 | JeffM_ | why? |
| 05:51.38 | JeffM_ | it may not use it |
| 05:51.43 | JeffM_ | it's mostly server side stuff |
| 05:51.47 | JeffM_ | but some of it is used |
| 05:51.53 | JeffM_ | this is why I sugested a debuger ;) |
| 05:52.09 | hwilde | you can put an arbitrary return statement at the top of the functions and it doesn't matter |
| 05:52.16 | JeffM_ | you probably want serverlink |
| 05:52.16 | hwilde | it should break all networking |
| 05:52.31 | JeffM_ | thats where the majority of the client messages are handled |
| 05:53.00 | JeffM_ | ServerLink::send |
| 05:53.14 | JeffM_ | do your printf, if needForSpeed is true |
| 05:53.48 | JeffM_ | thats why I wanted to know what you were trying to do |
| 05:56.08 | hwilde | I see a lot of // FIXME -- packet recording |
| 05:56.15 | hwilde | looks like others have been down this path |
| 05:56.21 | JeffM_ | what path? |
| 05:56.30 | hwilde | trying to see udp packets! |
| 05:56.50 | JeffM_ | anyone who wants to see whats in the packet looks at the pack methods |
| 05:57.03 | JeffM_ | you have the source |
| 05:57.10 | JeffM_ | you KNOW what is packed into each message |
| 05:57.11 | blast007 | or uses Wireshark ;) |
| 05:57.21 | hwilde | ethereal ownz u |
| 05:57.38 | blast007 | came in handy a few weeks ago |
| 05:57.53 | JeffM_ | only cus the packer was busted ;) |
| 05:58.01 | blast007 | yeah :) |
| 05:58.18 | hwilde | blast007, you saw the movie Hackers right |
| 05:58.25 | blast007 | hwilde: nope |
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| 05:58.33 | hwilde | omg you guys need to get out more |
| 05:58.43 | hwilde | there's a whole world out there |
| 05:58.51 | hwilde | some of it even related to code |
| 05:58.58 | hwilde | so it won't be total culture shock |
| 05:59.00 | blast007 | out? world? there? |
| 05:59.00 | JeffM_ | yeah, we live in it, and don't spend time watching bad movies from the 90s |
| 05:59.26 | JeffM_ | I highly doubt anything presented in that movie had anything to do with anything real in computers |
| 05:59.55 | JeffM_ | let me guess, they "hack" into things by typing rapidly and saying "i'm in" while big green glowing letters are projected on to there faces? |
| 06:00.05 | hwilde | oh it's way better than that |
| 06:00.10 | hwilde | you have no idea man |
| 06:00.35 | cjhopman | it's a classic |
| 06:00.57 | JeffM_ | so they show people doing the long tedus cycles of code inspection, system level debugers, and paket sniffers |
| 06:01.09 | hwilde | no it's all graphical and futuristic |
| 06:01.10 | JeffM_ | over periods of weeks and months? |
| 06:01.14 | JeffM_ | exactly |
| 06:01.17 | JeffM_ | not real ;) |
| 06:01.23 | hwilde | yeah that's why it's a movie |
| 06:01.33 | hwilde | with actors |
| 06:01.47 | JeffM_ | what does your point with this film have to do with what you are trying to do to bzflag? |
| 06:02.08 | JeffM_ | or are you just going to continue to be vauge, and make us assume you are just going to be cheating |
| 06:02.22 | hwilde | you need to lighten up man |
| 06:02.24 | JeffM_ | cus we can cut to the chase, and add you to the ban list now if you want. |
| 06:02.47 | JeffM_ | and you need to comunicate a litttle more clearly ;) |
| 06:03.14 | hwilde | not everything has to have a serious point |
| 06:03.32 | JeffM_ | true |
| 06:03.51 | hwilde | and i'm already banned... that's why i'm here instead of playing rmember |
| 06:03.53 | JeffM_ | but when you are asking for help with something it helps to have a bit of a serious point and not be evasive. |
| 06:04.02 | JeffM_ | you were banned on ONE server |
| 06:04.06 | JeffM_ | there are over 200 servers |
| 06:04.11 | JeffM_ | they do not share ban lists |
| 06:04.27 | hwilde | dude nobody is forcing you to reply |
| 06:04.33 | hwilde | get over yourself |
| 06:04.34 | JeffM_ | I know |
| 06:04.48 | hwilde | I am not being evasive at all |
| 06:04.54 | hwilde | I want to see the udp sends |
| 06:05.09 | JeffM_ | you want to see the packet data? or just when they go? |
| 06:05.30 | hwilde | this is like some strange circle of dante's inferno |
| 06:05.50 | JeffM_ | I can tell you how to do ether |
| 06:05.52 | hwilde | I want my print statement in NetHandler::udpSend to print something out |
| 06:05.53 | JeffM_ | it's very simple |
| 06:06.19 | JeffM_ | that send function will never be called |
| 06:06.22 | JeffM_ | not for the client |
| 06:06.27 | JeffM_ | you need a difrent place |
| 06:06.41 | JeffM_ | do you just want to print a message WHEN a UDP packet is sent? or do you want to print it's contents? |
| 06:07.13 | hwilde | eh I would settle for the former |
| 06:07.32 | JeffM_ | ./src/bzflag/ServerLink.cxx |
| 06:07.49 | JeffM_ | find ServerLink::send |
| 06:07.55 | JeffM_ | should be about line 330 |
| 06:08.17 | JeffM_ | then right before line 368, int r = ::send(fd, (const char*)msgbuf, len + 4, 0); |
| 06:08.18 | JeffM_ | add |
| 06:08.23 | JeffM_ | if (needForSpeed) |
| 06:08.34 | JeffM_ | printf("hi\n"); |
| 06:16.33 | hwilde | cool |
| 06:17.44 | hwilde | JeffM_++ |
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| 08:58.40 | think_tank | initscr(): Unable to create SP |
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| 13:22.14 | BZFlagr55 | hi |
| 13:22.21 | BZFlagr55 | sup |
| 13:22.25 | BZFlagr55 | sup |
| 13:22.50 | BZFlagr55 | blast007 |
| 13:23.37 | BZFlagr55 | hey |
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| 14:38.43 | Saturos | heya devs |
| 14:38.45 | Saturos | bachi and me got a brand new eeepc, we're trying to get BZFlag on it |
| 14:38.54 | Saturos | it seems to install fine, data-dir and files are there |
| 14:39.27 | Saturos | but when launching the executable in /usr/games/ we get something along memory access error |
| 14:39.46 | Saturos | thats a rough translation of "Speicherzugriffsfehler" so it might not be exact |
| 14:40.12 | Saturos | Any hint what we could do to get it working? Or how to get more output about the error? :/ |
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| 15:03.01 | brlcad | Saturos: huh .. using a particular version? did you compile it yourself or use a binary? |
| 15:03.13 | Saturos | used a xandros repo |
| 15:03.26 | Saturos | just selected bzflag in synaptic and hit "apply" |
| 15:03.43 | brlcad | which version is it? |
| 15:03.44 | Saturos | it didnt want to install dependent packages like it usually does |
| 15:03.46 | Saturos | 2.0.8 |
| 15:04.00 | brlcad | sounds fishy |
| 15:04.15 | Saturos | compiling ourselves would provide better info I guess |
| 15:04.24 | brlcad | yeah, and give you 2.0.10 |
| 15:04.27 | Saturos | sure |
| 15:04.38 | brlcad | otherwise, you can run it through gdb |
| 15:04.45 | Saturos | gdb? |
| 15:04.56 | brlcad | gdb --args /usr/games/bin/bzflag |
| 15:05.08 | Saturos | k, we'll try that |
| 15:05.25 | brlcad | you'll type "run" on the gdb prompt |
| 15:05.34 | brlcad | and it'll start up bzflag |
| 15:05.35 | Saturos | btw, we tried billard-gl and it ran smooth |
| 15:06.12 | brlcad | ooh, another thing you can try is running with -window |
| 15:06.21 | brlcad | might be running out of gl memory |
| 15:06.24 | Saturos | we did, didnt help |
| 15:06.33 | brlcad | huh, interesting |
| 15:06.56 | brlcad | does the synaptic build use sdl? |
| 15:06.57 | Saturos | the executable is at /usr/games/bzflag |
| 15:07.01 | brlcad | ok |
| 15:07.20 | Saturos | gdb says no executable specified |
| 15:07.50 | Saturos | wait.. lol |
| 15:07.52 | Saturos | bachi just deinstalled bzflag |
| 15:10.10 | Saturos | weee, it works |
| 15:10.17 | Saturos | IT WORKS! |
| 15:10.30 | brlcad | cool |
| 15:10.33 | brlcad | so what's different? |
| 15:10.37 | Saturos | no idea |
| 15:10.52 | Saturos | we removed it twice, installed again, installed again, now it works |
| 15:10.55 | Saturos | I dont care why :) |
| 15:11.15 | brlcad | heh |
| 15:11.37 | Saturos | now for the performance... lets see |
| 15:15.16 | Saturos | wow, its smooth |
| 15:15.26 | Saturos | 32 fps on hix with high+shadows |
| 15:26.14 | Saturos | hmm... increasing radar makes it sloooooow |
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| 16:27.35 | brlcad | yeah, radar actually takes longer to render than the 3d view .. lot more gl calls |
| 16:27.49 | brlcad | Saturos: I really loved the poster |
| 16:28.05 | brlcad | is that a final or are you still tweaking it? (I'm happy with it if you are) |
| 16:28.21 | brlcad | if you are done, we should work on localizations |
| 16:28.42 | brlcad | and get it posted up |
| 16:28.51 | JeffM | I think there was one spelling issue |
| 16:32.42 | Saturos | I consider it done... problem is that I'll be gone for a week, starting tomorrow. |
| 16:33.01 | JeffM | what was the link again? |
| 16:33.22 | Saturos | http://saturos.de/s/wanted_hi.png |
| 16:33.34 | Saturos | without _hi for the small version |
| 16:33.54 | brlcad | Saturos: do you have that in an editable format so we can localize it? |
| 16:33.57 | brlcad | otherwise, we can just post the english now and localize later |
| 16:33.59 | Saturos | I could upload the photoshop file + fonts so you can do translation by youirself |
| 16:34.04 | JeffM | please |
| 16:34.09 | brlcad | yeah, that'd be cool |
| 16:34.18 | Saturos | I'll go look how big it is... |
| 16:34.20 | brlcad | photoshop ftw |
| 16:34.37 | Chestal | s/vor/for/ that it needs :-) |
| 16:34.46 | JeffM | that was it |
| 16:34.52 | Saturos | eww |
| 16:34.52 | brlcad | you can upload to ftp.bzflag.bz/incoming if you need space |
| 16:34.53 | Saturos | 120 mb |
| 16:34.57 | brlcad | or anywhere on .bz |
| 16:35.03 | brlcad | (via ssh) |
| 16:35.05 | Saturos | I got webspace |
| 16:35.14 | Saturos | will start uploading now... might take 2 hours |
| 16:35.20 | brlcad | k |
| 16:35.32 | JeffM | I have PS here, but I won't be pulling 120 megs here |
| 16:35.37 | JeffM | AZ DSL stuks |
| 16:36.38 | Saturos | brlcad: do you have cs3? |
| 16:36.54 | Saturos | we might run into compatability problems |
| 16:36.57 | JeffM | I have CS2 |
| 16:37.04 | JeffM | so I can merge in the translations |
| 16:37.50 | Saturos | I'll try to reduce filesize a little |
| 16:37.52 | Saturos | delete unused layers, merge a few |
| 16:37.58 | JeffM | cool |
| 16:38.11 | JeffM | really all we need is the text on layers, and the rest merged |
| 16:39.55 | Saturos | k, its down to 64 mb |
| 16:40.25 | JeffM | it may zip more |
| 16:45.25 | Saturos | 47,1 mb |
| 16:45.25 | DTRemenak | might want to fix the "vor" too ;) |
| 16:46.00 | Saturos | oh right |
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| 16:53.20 | Saturos | k, I'm uploading |
| 16:53.35 | Saturos | it says 111 |
| 16:53.41 | Saturos | aah.. it says 11 mins remaining |
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| 17:06.29 | Saturos | www.saturos.de/wanted.zip |
| 17:06.56 | Saturos | I included six font files. |
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| 17:26.44 | CBG | I'd suggest a link to the GSoC page on the main wiki page, fwiw. |
| 17:27.32 | CBG | And a news post about it on bz.org. |
| 17:27.34 | JeffM | we had that last time |
| 17:27.45 | JeffM | techincakly we arn't accepted yet ;) |
| 17:28.07 | CBG | Interestingly, such little news is posted there that the announcement for the LAST GSoC is still right there on the front page, I don't even have to scroll... |
| 17:28.45 | CBG | If you have a page about it, flyers with links to the page, etc, a couple extra internal links shouldn't be an issue |
| 17:29.19 | JeffM | I'm sure brlcad will update the 2008 page and get it all done |
| 17:32.15 | Saturos | JeffM: www.saturos.de/wanted.zip |
| 17:34.18 | JeffM | Saturos, how big is it? |
| 17:34.18 | JeffM | I' |
| 17:34.22 | JeffM | I'm not at home |
| 17:34.32 | JeffM | and am bandwidht limited ;) |
| 17:34.44 | CBG | 47.3MB |
| 17:34.47 | JeffM | ouch |
| 17:34.55 | Saturos | :> |
| 17:36.17 | Saturos | it would be cool if somebody tested if the file and fonts are ok |
| 17:36.45 | CBG | k, 2 secs |
| 17:36.49 | JeffM | when I finish doing all the updates here I'll try it |
| 17:36.54 | JeffM | but that may be an hour or so |
| 17:37.17 | Saturos | ok, I'll be here for five-six hours and maybe tomorrow morning |
| 17:37.29 | JeffM | I've bookmakred the link |
| 17:37.37 | JeffM | my dad's DSL line isn't very fast |
| 17:37.39 | CBG | testing on CS (1) |
| 17:37.42 | brlcad | Saturos: yeah, I have CS3 |
| 17:37.50 | Saturos | um.. more like two-three hours |
| 17:38.03 | Saturos | k, brlcad, that sounds good |
| 17:38.04 | CBG | looks fine for me. |
| 17:38.31 | Saturos | should look like www.saturos.de/s/wanted.png , except that fonts are editable |
| 17:38.32 | CBG | no problems here |
| 17:38.44 | Saturos | hm, 404 |
| 17:38.50 | CBG | 404, Saturos, but I saw the _hi one already |
| 17:38.57 | Saturos | http://www.saturos.de/s/wanted.jpg |
| 17:38.59 | Saturos | k |
| 17:39.02 | brlcad | CBG: good ideas ... and fortunately it's a wiki so you can help make the edits ;) |
| 17:39.36 | CBG | brlcad: I wouldn't have thought my input would be welcome. |
| 17:39.47 | brlcad | because.... |
| 17:40.02 | CBG | I'm not exactly my. popular. |
| 17:40.10 | CBG | Trying to keep a low profile. :P |
| 17:42.16 | whodaman- | hey Saturos |
| 17:42.28 | JeffM | CBG, why, what did you do? |
| 17:42.29 | brlcad | eh, you're not pasting "ooh look at me, I'm CBG editing the wiki and doing stuff ..." you're just editing a wiki page to point to new data |
| 17:42.37 | whodaman- | ah, nice work on the flyer |
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| 17:43.25 | CBG | JeffM: I've done a lot of stuff over a lot of time. Nothing much of late, of course. I'm mostly only still in the channel because I'm too lazy to update my auto-join list. |
| 17:46.40 | CBG | Well, and because I'm interested in how GSoC will turn out again. |
| 17:52.26 | JeffM | then that's good enouhg reason to putter and help :) |
| 17:53.31 | brlcad | so who's willing to localize? |
| 17:53.37 | CBG | You know... I did think about applying, for a brief second, or atleast what I would say if I did (since I doubt I have anywhere near the expertise required). But I quickly realised how unlikely it would be for me to be chosen if I were the best programmer alive. |
| 17:53.56 | brlcad | I presume Saturos or Chestal or one of the other two dozen germanic folk can do .de .. ;) |
| 17:54.08 | brlcad | Manu for .es ? |
| 17:54.18 | brlcad | tupy for .it |
| 17:54.20 | JeffM | monday I could get spanish |
| 17:54.23 | JeffM | if need be |
| 17:54.52 | JeffM | k |
| 17:55.21 | JeffM | if you REALLY wanted I could get veitemese, Japanese, and Chinese at work if I bug people |
| 17:55.33 | whodaman- | do you need german yet? |
| 17:55.45 | JeffM | we don't have german |
| 17:55.56 | whodaman- | OK, I'm happy to do it if needed |
| 17:56.55 | CBG | I can do a Welsh variation of English. |
| 17:56.59 | CBG | I speak both fluently. |
| 17:57.06 | JeffM | do it :) |
| 17:57.33 | whodaman- | JeffM, should I start now..? |
| 17:57.46 | JeffM | totaly |
| 17:57.51 | JeffM | first one to finish gets used ;) |
| 17:59.48 | whodaman- | :p |
| 18:00.33 | CBG | Want me to edit the PSD or just post the new text here...? |
| 18:00.49 | JeffM | ether or |
| 18:00.54 | whodaman- | I don't have PS |
| 18:00.59 | JeffM | do what you can |
| 18:01.21 | JeffM | CBG, edit the PS and dump out a png |
| 18:01.25 | JeffM | whodaman-, just make the text |
| 18:01.29 | whodaman- | cool |
| 18:01.34 | CBG | If I edit it in PS, it'll look ever so slightly different as CS1 will slightly reformat each text layer that I change |
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| 18:02.14 | JeffM | see how bad it is |
| 18:02.19 | CBG | k |
| 18:02.21 | JeffM | if you have to, then just send the text |
| 18:02.26 | JeffM | tis a fluid process ;) |
| 18:02.59 | brlcad | just make a text file with the text that needs translated |
| 18:03.07 | brlcad | we can copy-paste it into the photoshop file |
| 18:03.27 | brlcad | it'll undoubtedly need alignment and font tweaks to make things fit anyways |
| 18:05.36 | whodaman- | JeffM, just to be sure, translating from here, correct? http://saturos.de/s/wanted_hi.png |
| 18:05.45 | JeffM | yes |
| 18:06.20 | whodaman- | "BZFlag is now accepting applications FOR the..." |
| 18:06.28 | whodaman- | or? |
| 18:06.36 | JeffM | translate as much as you can |
| 18:06.47 | whodaman- | I was correcting what was there |
| 18:06.57 | JeffM | yeah it's for |
| 18:06.59 | whodaman- | k |
| 18:07.00 | JeffM | not vor ;) |
| 18:07.11 | whodaman- | it says "in" with me |
| 18:12.28 | whodaman- | JeffM, is last years translation kicking around somewhere? |
| 18:12.34 | JeffM | I don't know |
| 18:12.43 | JeffM | brlcad may know |
| 18:13.10 | brlcad | it is, look on the wiki |
| 18:13.18 | brlcad | in the 2007 section |
| 18:15.31 | whodaman- | found it |
| 18:15.41 | whodaman- | hah, just like I started :) |
| 18:15.56 | blast007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:16.10 | whodaman- | yeah, for NN and laserball |
| 18:18.28 | Erroneous | we don't need that |
| 18:26.57 | Saturos | the vor/for is corrected in the zip |
| 18:27.12 | Saturos | just those old images from yesterday are wrong |
| 18:35.32 | whodaman- | JeffM, done |
| 18:35.32 | whodaman- | http://pastebin.ca/923624 |
| 18:35.57 | whodaman- | Just went through the little tricky parts with Saturos |
| 18:36.25 | JeffM | best would be to pm it or e-mail it to brlcad |
| 18:37.10 | whodaman- | Alrighty |
| 18:37.13 | whodaman- | What's his email/ |
| 18:37.15 | whodaman- | *? |
| 18:37.28 | JeffM | his nick here at bzflag.bz |
| 18:44.01 | Manu | brlcad: is there something to translate? :) |
| 18:46.13 | JeffM | Manu, yes, the SoC 2008 flyer |
| 18:46.19 | CBG | I expect people requiring a 1337 or AOL version wouldn't stand much chance of acceptance anyway. |
| 18:46.35 | Manu | JeffM: I guessed it :) |
| 18:47.55 | JeffM | http://saturos.de/s/wanted_hi.png |
| 18:55.55 | blast007 | is there something special I have to do to make the bzflag client -config option work? |
| 18:59.16 | CBG | You know how hackers are hired to try to hack into systems so that any security flaws can be flagged and fixed... Would an acceptable GSoC project be to try to cheat and thus highlight major issues to be fixed..? |
| 18:59.31 | think_tank | ethical hacking? |
| 18:59.43 | CBG | Right. White-hat ftw. |
| 19:01.26 | think_tank | i think the primary goal of GSoC is to increase the total lines of code. I don't know if such efforts would be a means to that end |
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| 19:15.00 | JeffM | CBG, we know our flaws |
| 19:15.14 | JeffM | that may be a good idea AFTER we fix all the known issues. |
| 19:15.36 | JeffM | a more apporpriate project would be to fix the known issues and do a code review ;) |
| 19:15.46 | JeffM | the security thing is basicly for closed source systems |
| 19:15.55 | JeffM | thats why people have to "hack" in |
| 19:16.09 | JeffM | with us, we have the code, we can review it first ;) |
| 19:16.26 | CBG | So why are there cheaters...? |
| 19:16.39 | JeffM | because the software dosn't prevent them |
| 19:16.44 | JeffM | it trusts the client |
| 19:16.51 | JeffM | and we have not fixed those issues yet |
| 19:21.56 | blast007 | CBG: there's never a way to eliminate *all* cheaters anyway, even in closed-source situations |
| 19:23.59 | JeffM | we can certanly do more |
| 19:25.15 | blast007 | oh sure, but there is no "solution" |
| 19:25.24 | blast007 | there will always be cheaters |
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| 19:58.04 | Manu | JeffM: is wanted_hi.png the final flyer to translate? |
| 20:00.16 | Winny | boo |
| 20:00.27 | whodaman- | Manu, yeah |
| 20:00.41 | Manu | :) |
| 20:27.27 | Manu | brlcad, JeffM: the spanish version is in /tmp/flyer2008.txt |
| 20:27.55 | Manu | (bzflag server) :) |
| 20:30.12 | JeffM | thank you manu |
| 20:30.21 | JeffM | ibot Manu++ |
| 20:30.25 | Manu | np :) |
| 20:30.46 | Manu | JeffM: show me the final result to check it ;) |
| 20:30.50 | whodaman- | aww, not karma for me :p |
| 20:31.22 | Manu | ~whodaman-++ |
| 20:31.28 | whodaman- | \o/ |
| 20:32.07 | Winny | hehe |
| 20:32.16 | whodaman- | JeffM, do we have French yet? |
| 20:33.19 | JeffM | I don't think so |
| 20:33.42 | Winny | I could do a really bad french translation :p |
| 20:33.58 | Winny | "have you are interested in games developing?" |
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| 20:36.11 | Manu | JeffM: is the text ok? I saved it as plain text. I hope you can see accents over the vowels ;) |
| 20:36.47 | Manu | if you have problems I can save it as .odt or .pdf |
| 20:38.59 | JeffM | Manu, odt or pdf is probalby better |
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| 20:39.04 | JeffM | brclad will be doing it |
| 20:39.28 | Manu | the plain text may be ok, but if you get in troubles let me know it :) |
| 20:41.32 | Manu | JeffM: flyer.odt is in my home dir ;) |
| 20:41.51 | Manu | odt sounds funny in spanish ;) |
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| 21:08.10 | Saturos | k, I'm in holidays for a week :) cu! I hope everything goes well with the flyer |
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| 21:19.05 | Winny | ~dance |
| 21:19.05 | ibot | Sir! Too much booty in the pants, sir! |
| 21:19.08 | Winny | aww |
| 21:19.13 | Winny | find then |
| 21:19.15 | Winny | ~shake |
| 21:19.15 | ibot | ACTION shakes his booty all over town |
| 21:19.25 | whodaman- | fine* |
| 21:19.35 | whodaman- | ~factinfo shale |
| 21:19.35 | ibot | there's no such factoid as shale, whodaman- |
| 21:19.39 | whodaman- | yaya |
| 21:19.39 | whodaman- | ~factinfo shake |
| 21:19.39 | ibot | shake -- last modified at Mon Apr 16 15:31:55 2007 by TheRedBaron!n=kalen@fl-71-49-6-228.dhcp.embarqhsd.net; it has been requested 144 times, last by Winny, 24s ago. |
| 21:19.44 | whodaman- | :D |
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| 21:40.15 | whodaman- | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=12313 |
| 21:40.18 | whodaman- | BZBB admins |
| 21:40.36 | Winny | my god |
| 21:40.41 | Winny | they just get worse and worse |
| 21:40.44 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 21:40.47 | Winny | it's like living with Lindsay Lohan |
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| 21:54.13 | BZFlagr43 | hi all |
| 21:54.33 | BZFlagr43 | blast007 |
| 21:54.39 | Winny | what do you want/need? |
| 21:54.44 | a_meteorite | how can we help you? |
| 21:54.57 | BZFlagr43 | i need to talk to blast007 |
| 21:55.05 | Winny | why? |
| 21:55.13 | BZFlagr43 | private talk |
| 21:55.16 | Winny | ok |
| 21:55.22 | Winny | so wait for him to show up |
| 21:55.24 | a_meteorite | any particular reason? maybe we can help just as much as he can |
| 21:55.26 | a_meteorite | then /msg blast007 hello |
| 21:55.29 | brlcad | Manu: got it, thx |
| 21:55.34 | whodaman- | brlcad, mine? |
| 21:55.49 | BZFlagr43 | he banne my account peter 4B |
| 21:55.53 | blast007 | hi BZFlagr43 |
| 21:56.03 | whodaman- | ~blast007++ |
| 21:56.12 | BZFlagr43 | blast listen im peter 4B |
| 21:56.13 | blast007 | and no, I didn't. I deleted it. |
| 21:56.23 | brlcad | whodaman-: I got another via e-mail, was that yours? |
| 21:56.40 | BZFlagr43 | im only 14 that was a joke that i told u |
| 21:56.48 | BZFlagr43 | im 14 |
| 21:56.48 | blast007 | BZFlagr43: private message if you can please |
| 21:57.01 | whodaman- | yeah, how does it look? I couldn't get the paste to work properly...my mail.app is slightly broken |
| 21:57.07 | BZFlagr43 | dont know how |
| 21:57.13 | Winny | /msg blast007 hi |
| 21:57.13 | whodaman- | there's a tab |
| 21:57.16 | whodaman- | that days blast007 |
| 21:57.21 | whodaman- | click on that tab |
| 21:57.23 | whodaman- | and then type |
| 21:57.30 | Winny | and then at the top, the word "blast007" will appear |
| 21:57.41 | whodaman- | s/days/says |
| 21:58.31 | BZFlagr43 | blat im 14 |
| 21:58.38 | BZFlagr43 | blast im 14 |
| 21:58.57 | JeffM | then why did you say you were 11? |
| 21:59.03 | brlcad | whodaman-: yes, it came through just fine |
| 21:59.10 | BZFlagr43 | i was joking |
| 21:59.10 | whodaman- | brlcad, sweet |
| 21:59.20 | blast007 | BZFlagr43: riiight |
| 21:59.27 | JeffM | BZFlagr43, what proof do you have? |
| 21:59.38 | BZFlagr43 | im 14 |
| 21:59.41 | JeffM | BZFlagr43, you haven't been the niceest person in game |
| 21:59.48 | BZFlagr43 | what |
| 22:00.12 | JeffM | BZFlagr43, what proof can you offer of your age? |
| 22:00.27 | BZFlagr43 | if i was 11 my parents wouldnt let me use IRC |
| 22:00.37 | JeffM | you are using a web page |
| 22:00.44 | BZFlagr43 | NO |
| 22:00.50 | whodaman- | And honestly, you don't make the impression of a 14 year old |
| 22:00.51 | JeffM | so you have no actual proof? |
| 22:00.59 | BZFlagr43 | yes i do |
| 22:01.07 | JeffM | and it is? |
| 22:01.26 | BZFlagr43 | that i have a brother fragmaster |
| 22:01.40 | BZFlagr43 | is his name |
| 22:01.44 | Winny | And the proof that he isn't lying about your age? |
| 22:01.52 | JeffM | or that he's a real person? |
| 22:01.56 | BZFlagr43 | im not lyin |
| 22:02.03 | whodaman- | and not just another account of yours.. |
| 22:02.16 | think_tank | Do you have a school id? |
| 22:02.21 | BZFlagr43 | hes not another account of mine |
| 22:02.35 | BZFlagr43 | no im in the 8th grade |
| 22:02.52 | JeffM | BZFlagr43, and why did you say you were 13 a couple weeks ago? |
| 22:02.56 | JeffM | and 12 before that? |
| 22:03.04 | BZFlagr43 | it was a joke |
| 22:03.11 | a_meteorite | that's nothing to joke about |
| 22:03.12 | blast007 | time machines are illegal |
| 22:03.12 | whodaman- | That cost you your account |
| 22:03.33 | BZFlagr43 | i was trying to be funny ok |
| 22:03.40 | whodaman- | . |
| 22:03.43 | JeffM | well it wasn't |
| 22:03.46 | JeffM | good job |
| 22:03.49 | JeffM | welcome to the real world |
| 22:03.50 | a_meteorite | COPPA is a legal act which they must abide by, if everyone lies about their age, then they can't obey COPPA |
| 22:04.06 | BZFlagr43 | ive never been popular before |
| 22:04.08 | JeffM | you are "joking" with a law |
| 22:04.16 | a_meteorite | exactly |
| 22:04.28 | JeffM | BZFlagr43, well from what I've seen, you haven't been very nice. |
| 22:04.40 | BZFlagr43 | i was trying to get some more friends on bzf |
| 22:04.53 | BZFlagr43 | wat do u mean im not nice |
| 22:05.06 | JeffM | doing gameover when people are playing? |
| 22:05.13 | JeffM | just cus they didn't do something you wanted. |
| 22:05.59 | BZFlagr43 | someone insulted me before i did that |
| 22:06.05 | JeffM | so |
| 22:06.09 | BZFlagr43 | he was cyklo2 |
| 22:06.14 | JeffM | is that reason to RUIN the game for everyone else |
| 22:06.17 | JeffM | due to words |
| 22:06.25 | BZFlagr43 | he said i was an ass head |
| 22:06.27 | JeffM | good job being mature there skipy |
| 22:06.28 | JeffM | so |
| 22:06.30 | JeffM | words |
| 22:06.46 | JeffM | words are just words, you don't like it, LEAVE |
| 22:06.52 | Winny | or ignore them :) |
| 22:06.59 | BZFlagr43 | aghhh |
| 22:07.14 | JeffM | your bzbb account is gone, deal with it |
| 22:07.16 | JeffM | you can still play |
| 22:07.18 | JeffM | have fun |
| 22:07.22 | BZFlagr43 | ok |
| 22:07.24 | BZFlagr43 | no |
| 22:07.26 | Winny | All throughout life you will find people who aren't nice, you need to learn how to deal with them without being disruptive |
| 22:07.32 | a_meteorite | sticks and stones can break your bones, but works can never hurt you... :) |
| 22:07.37 | a_meteorite | *words |
| 22:07.39 | JeffM | works can |
| 22:07.41 | BZFlagr43 | plz |
| 22:07.48 | JeffM | what? |
| 22:07.48 | BZFlagr43 | heh |
| 22:07.53 | BZFlagr43 | lol |
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| 22:08.02 | JeffM | so now we don't even warrant the respect of full english words |
| 22:08.04 | JeffM | nice... |
| 22:08.15 | BZFlagr43 | igot a plan |
| 22:08.20 | BZFlagr43 | lol |
| 22:08.23 | whodaman- | You have a plan |
| 22:08.27 | BZFlagr43 | yep |
| 22:08.29 | JeffM | huh? |
| 22:08.36 | a_meteorite | does your plan concern us? cause otherwise you really don't need to share it |
| 22:08.50 | BZFlagr43 | to find a new server to play on |
| 22:08.55 | JeffM | amazing |
| 22:09.01 | BZFlagr43 | wahaha |
| 22:09.03 | JeffM | good luck with that |
| 22:09.04 | whodaman- | and if the plan is going to register another account - not a good idea |
| 22:09.17 | BZFlagr43 | not even that |
| 22:09.26 | JeffM | many servers don't require reg |
| 22:09.30 | BZFlagr43 | even better |
| 22:09.37 | BZFlagr43 | dub does |
| 22:09.51 | JeffM | whatever |
| 22:10.01 | BZFlagr43 | FBI |
| 22:10.12 | a_meteorite | what does the FBI have to do with anything? |
| 22:10.26 | BZFlagr43 | I DUNNO |
| 22:10.39 | JeffM | yeah.. cus you are a mature 14 year old |
| 22:11.13 | BZFlagr43 | ok i know 2 hidden admins ill tell u them if u let me play on dub |
| 22:11.27 | BZFlagr43 | lol |
| 22:11.29 | JeffM | why do we care? |
| 22:11.33 | JeffM | we don't run servers |
| 22:11.35 | BZFlagr43 | plz |
| 22:11.36 | a_meteorite | why do you even attempt to bargain? hidden admins are a part of how servers work |
| 22:11.37 | JeffM | no |
| 22:11.39 | Winny | Anyone can have their own hidden dmins on their servers |
| 22:11.50 | JeffM | server owners do what they want |
| 22:11.50 | a_meteorite | hidden admins are an intentional feature |
| 22:11.55 | think_tank | and hidden does not mean unknown |
| 22:12.01 | BZFlagr43 | i know catay and kierra |
| 22:12.08 | JeffM | BZFlagr43, the law states that we can't store info for you. it is as simple as that |
| 22:12.09 | Winny | it's not like someone was born with magical hidden admin powers |
| 22:12.20 | JeffM | if you actualy COMPILED with the COPPA you'd be fine |
| 22:12.47 | whodaman- | *complied? |
| 22:12.48 | BZFlagr43 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.12 | JeffM | your parents or guardians have to give us writen permision to store information for you |
| 22:13.18 | BZFlagr43 | u send a application in the mail |
| 22:13.22 | JeffM | no |
| 22:13.27 | think_tank | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Online_Privacy_Protection_Act |
| 22:13.27 | JeffM | we will accept an e-mail |
| 22:13.34 | BZFlagr43 | do u have to print it out |
| 22:13.52 | JeffM | BZFlagr43, can you type all the letters of a word please? |
| 22:14.25 | BZFlagr43 | ow do u get a form for it |
| 22:14.34 | JeffM | it dosn't work that way |
| 22:14.37 | Winny | Once again, full words. |
| 22:14.40 | kirun | No chat slang. This means "U" :P |
| 22:14.47 | BZFlagr43 | how do u get a form for it |
| 22:14.54 | JeffM | if you are not going to have the basic respect for others I wll have to ask you to leave |
| 22:14.59 | JeffM | it's not a form |
| 22:15.01 | a_meteorite | kirun: some people never learn |
| 22:15.03 | Winny | it only takes an additional 2 seconds to type the full sentence |
| 22:15.08 | blast007 | BZFlagr43: read the email I sent you |
| 22:15.19 | BZFlagr43 | ok i will |
| 22:15.20 | blast007 | I said to register under the correct age group |
| 22:15.26 | blast007 | (under 13) |
| 22:15.36 | blast007 | JeffM: and it gives them what to do after that, right? |
| 22:15.44 | JeffM | dunno |
| 22:15.53 | BZFlagr43 | what do you do |
| 22:15.54 | blast007 | I think it shows Tim's email address |
| 22:16.05 | JeffM | BZFlagr43, basicly have your parents send an e-mail giving us permision ( to tim@rikers.org) |
| 22:16.17 | blast007 | BZFlagr43: register on the forum, but where it asks you if you are under 13, select Under 13 |
| 22:16.36 | JeffM | BZFlagr43, if you can't explain it to them have them contact us and we can explain it to them. |
| 22:16.54 | JeffM | so you do admit you are under 13? |
| 22:17.11 | JeffM | continuing to like will not help you |
| 22:17.21 | BZFlagr43 | yes |
| 22:17.21 | JeffM | lie even |
| 22:17.27 | JeffM | why did you lie to us when asked? |
| 22:17.36 | BZFlagr43 | nno |
| 22:17.48 | BZFlagr43 | dunno |
| 22:18.01 | JeffM | how old are you really? |
| 22:18.01 | BZFlagr43 | sry |
| 22:18.08 | BZFlagr43 | 11 |
| 22:18.24 | JeffM | will your parents give us permision to store info for you? |
| 22:18.25 | BZFlagr43 | sry for lying |
| 22:18.34 | BZFlagr43 | idunno |
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| 22:18.44 | BZFlagr43 | i dunno |
| 22:18.50 | JeffM | go talk to them |
| 22:18.55 | BZFlagr43 | ok |
| 22:19.06 | JeffM | and tell them you lied |
| 22:19.31 | JeffM | we will make sure that they know you have lied |
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| 22:20.22 | BZFlagr43 | ok ill tell thim that i put i was 14 to register ok |
| 22:20.30 | blast007 | ok |
| 22:20.36 | JeffM | no |
| 22:20.41 | JeffM | tell them you LIED to us |
| 22:20.42 | BZFlagr43 | why |
| 22:20.44 | JeffM | in personon |
| 22:20.47 | JeffM | when asked |
| 22:20.49 | blast007 | oh that |
| 22:20.52 | JeffM | because you are a lyer |
| 22:20.56 | JeffM | and that is not right |
| 22:21.25 | CBG | liar* |
| 22:21.28 | JeffM | that too |
| 22:21.31 | BZFlagr43 | ok ill tell u that i was 14 |
| 22:21.51 | a_meteorite | you don't need to tell us, you need to tell your parents you lied about your age being 14 |
| 22:21.52 | JeffM | no, you tell your parents you lied |
| 22:22.08 | BZFlagr43 | ill tell them that i told u that i was 14 |
| 22:22.15 | BZFlagr43 | and i lied |
| 22:22.22 | a_meteorite | then go do that |
| 22:22.27 | BZFlagr43 | ok |
| 22:22.28 | JeffM | doubtufll, but have fun with that |
| 22:22.50 | JeffM | honestly I think you are too young and imature to have a global account. |
| 22:22.53 | BZFlagr43 | my parents think bzf is nonsense |
| 22:22.59 | JeffM | well it is |
| 22:23.12 | Winny | any game is "nonsense" |
| 22:23.15 | blast007 | flying tanks don't make sense :) |
| 22:23.20 | Erroneous | maybe you should listen to them more :) games are not life |
| 22:23.23 | BZFlagr43 | i played when i was 7 with my brother |
| 22:23.28 | JeffM | whatever |
| 22:23.40 | JeffM | the COPPA has nothing to do with playing |
| 22:23.55 | BZFlagr43 | just like micah 6 years old be kind |
| 22:24.06 | BZFlagr43 | ok ill tell them |
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| 22:25.06 | BZFlagr43 | gotta go get on bzf |
| 22:25.19 | BZFlagr43 | fourms |
| 22:25.35 | a_meteorite | they likely ask you your age too |
| 22:25.38 | JeffM | have them send the mail first |
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| 22:25.54 | Dessy | hi all :) |
| 22:25.54 | BZFlagr43 | k |
| 22:26.20 | whodaman- | hi Poophead |
| 22:26.25 | Winny | heh CBG |
| 22:26.28 | whodaman- | :) |
| 22:26.32 | CBG | shush! |
| 22:26.42 | whodaman- | no worries JeffM2501 |
| 22:26.50 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 22:27.01 | BZFlagr43 | im confused |
| 22:27.09 | JeffM2501 | not understandable |
| 22:27.27 | Winny | oi |
| 22:27.44 | Erroneous | Winny: that's like telling God "I don't believe in you"...it doesn't actually change anything :) |
| 22:27.49 | Winny | :p |
| 22:27.51 | BZFlagr43 | what do i do after i click i am under 13 |
| 22:28.15 | CBG | Erroneous: but a fictional character can't do anything if you tell it that you don't believe in it. |
| 22:28.18 | JeffM2501 | BZFlagr43, talk to your parents |
| 22:28.24 | BZFlagr43 | ok |
| 22:28.26 | JeffM2501 | get them to send the e-mail |
| 22:28.34 | L4m3r | CBG: not here, please |
| 22:28.49 | CBG | Rofl. |
| 22:28.50 | BZFlagr43 | send the email to tim rikers |
| 22:28.57 | JeffM2501 | BZFlagr43, yes |
| 22:28.59 | CBG | Hey, I didn't start it. That's all I'm saying. |
| 22:29.00 | BZFlagr43 | s |
| 22:29.01 | JeffM2501 | from youor parents |
| 22:29.11 | a_meteorite | tim@rikers.org |
| 22:29.24 | awilcox | BZFlagr43: His name is Tim Riker, by the way. |
| 22:29.33 | BZFlagr43 | ok i wrote his name on scrap paper |
| 22:29.46 | a_meteorite | yeah, make sure it's from your parents, he can tell who's who |
| 22:29.55 | JeffM2501 | we can ;) |
| 22:30.01 | a_meteorite | heh yeah |
| 22:30.05 | CBG | You also need to look at the top of your window now and see what private messages people sent you. You should have a name or two next to the "#bzflag" bit. |
| 22:30.21 | BZFlagr43 | im gonna sign off for a few minutes |
| 22:30.25 | BZFlagr43 | what |
| 22:33.09 | BZFlagr43 | do isend the email after ive registered or before |
| 22:33.20 | JeffM2501 | before is better |
| 22:33.26 | BZFlagr43 | ok thks |
| 22:33.26 | Winny | did you get consent from your parents? |
| 22:33.47 | BZFlagr43 | nope im gonna get permission though |
| 22:33.48 | blast007 | BZFlagr43: you don't send any email. your parents do. |
| 22:33.55 | BZFlagr43 | ok |
| 22:34.03 | JeffM2501 | we will know if it is from you |
| 22:34.28 | BZFlagr43 | G2G be back in a sec |
| 22:34.42 | Winny | My CGI:IRC has brought so much pain in here :( |
| 22:34.47 | a_meteorite | the reason we'd know... it'd have fully spelt out words and periods :) |
| 22:34.49 | Erroneous | what if his parents write like 10-year-olds too? :) |
| 22:34.53 | Winny | hehe |
| 22:34.58 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:34.58 | a_meteorite | Erroneous: haha, then he's out of luck |
| 22:35.15 | Winny | "i giv mai sun consent fur da beezedfalag froums!!!1`1`1`1!" |
| 22:35.30 | awilcox | haha. |
| 22:35.36 | JeffM2501 | techincaly that would not work |
| 22:35.45 | JeffM2501 | since the issue is not giving the child consent |
| 22:35.54 | CBG | Like that episode from the Simpsons... Bart's in trouble and a teacher/whatever is saying "And these sick notes... they are all clearly fake..." cause they look like a 10 year old wrote them... But it was Homer all along... |
| 22:35.56 | JeffM2501 | it is giving us permision tostore |
| 22:35.58 | a_meteorite | it's to store personally identifiable information? |
| 22:36.01 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:36.05 | Winny | CBG :P |
| 22:36.07 | JeffM2501 | the permision is for US |
| 22:36.09 | JeffM2501 | not them |
| 22:36.15 | a_meteorite | yeah |
| 22:37.19 | awilcox | ugh. another reason to add to my "COPPA Does More Evil Than Good" list. |
| 22:37.36 | JeffM2501 | what evil does it do? |
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| 22:38.00 | CBG | Read up 40 minutes, JeffM2501. |
| 22:38.08 | Winny | hehe |
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| 22:38.15 | JeffM2501 | I was probalby not here |
| 22:38.29 | CBG | I mean the whole 40 minutes, not one specific line. |
| 22:38.49 | JeffM2501 | I don't see that as evil |
| 22:38.52 | JeffM2501 | but as a good thing |
| 22:39.02 | awilcox | JeffM2501: it effectively prevents the good, sane kids from using the Internet, and it makes it painful for stupid kids to try and sign up. And then the h4x0r kids that just lie anyway. |
| 22:39.03 | a_meteorite | if used properly and no one lies |
| 22:39.05 | CBG | It's funny to watch, sure, but... |
| 22:39.08 | BZFlagr63 | ok blast007 my mum says my dad should do it since she barely knows anything about bzf |
| 22:39.10 | awilcox | It really doesn't do much of anything |
| 22:39.14 | Erroneous | the silliness is not caused by COPPA, it's caused by youngsters who feel the need to circumvent their parents' authority |
| 22:39.24 | BZFlagr63 | huh |
| 22:39.27 | JeffM2501 | awilcox, it does nothing of the sort, it prevents data from being stored, THAT is i t |
| 22:39.40 | BZFlagr63 | jeff |
| 22:39.47 | JeffM2501 | bzfl |
| 22:39.54 | awilcox | and it isn't fair to adults because they should have an opt-out-of-all-private-data-storage button too |
| 22:39.58 | Erroneous | BZFlagr63: then have your dad do it |
| 22:40.10 | Winny | awilcox, you're welcome to take it to Congress :) |
| 22:40.11 | a_meteorite | any of your guardians or parents can do it |
| 22:40.24 | JeffM2501 | awilcox, you do have an opt out, don't register ;) |
| 22:40.37 | awilcox | Winny: haha. like one person could effectively get anything done with the lobbyist-run US Congress. |
| 22:40.48 | JeffM2501 | then stop whining, or move ;) |
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| 22:40.56 | Erroneous | awilcox: nothing's saying you can't lobby too. lobbyists are just people. |
| 22:41.23 | BZFlagr63 | im voting for US senator BARACK OBAMA |
| 22:41.31 | BZFlagr63 | hes sweet |
| 22:41.33 | JeffM2501 | BZFlagr63, you arn't voting for crap, so stow it |
| 22:41.41 | Erroneous | awilcox: and honestly, have you spoken to your rep? I have...he told me that if he gets 5 letters from people in his district on an issue, he's scared. |
| 22:41.51 | awilcox | JeffM2501: a valid point :p I'm just saying that it has good points and bad points. |
| 22:42.15 | JeffM2501 | awilcox, I'm not sure you fully understand what it is, since there are 2 COPPA like things, COPPA and COPA |
| 22:42.19 | awilcox | Erroneous: wow, nice rep. |
| 22:42.22 | BZFlagr63 | ok jeff m i will |
| 22:42.23 | JeffM2501 | we only have to do with COPPA |
| 22:42.37 | Winny | "hes sweet" isn't exactly a reason to vote for someone |
| 22:42.44 | JeffM2501 | COPA is probalby more of what you ahve a problem with |
| 22:42.54 | kirun | Does anybody have a jEdit mode file for .bzw ? |
| 22:42.55 | BZFlagr63 | i know thats my opinion |
| 22:43.10 | think_tank | perhaps much of this is better suited for #bzchat |
| 22:43.10 | awilcox | Erroneous: No. Lobbyists are people with a lot of money that pay the Congress to do things their way :P but anyways, this is way offtopic. |
| 22:43.11 | JeffM2501 | kirun, I don't think one exists |
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| 22:43.14 | Erroneous | awilcox: I'm sure the same is true for any rep. they actually recieve surprisingly few letters and phone calls. |
| 22:43.22 | JeffM2501 | kirun, did you see mention of one somewhere? |
| 22:43.30 | BZFlagr63 | lol |
| 22:43.41 | BZFlagr63 | thats weird |
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| 22:43.55 | awilcox | Erroneous: though there was one time I DID "ping" my rep, about the off-shore drilling (owwie.) he did care \o/ |
| 22:44.06 | Erroneous | awilcox: no, lobbyists are people that spend time talking to representatives and senators, and convincing them to do things their way. if there's money involved, it's illegal. |
| 22:44.10 | kirun | No... I just thought I'd check before going to the effort of making one |
| 22:44.27 | JeffM2501 | kirun, I'd never heard of the editor till you mentioned it |
| 22:44.32 | CBG | isn't that called bribery? |
| 22:44.36 | Erroneous | CBG: yup |
| 22:44.44 | awilcox | And you really believe, with this adminstration, that our government is operating fully legally? ;) |
| 22:44.46 | Erroneous | thus the whole "illegal" thing ;) |
| 22:44.52 | Winny | how do you think the RIAA got where it is? |
| 22:45.01 | Winny | certainly not ethical politics :) |
| 22:45.12 | Erroneous | awilcox: no, of course not (nor has it in quite some time). but by and large it does work as it is supposed to |
| 22:45.17 | think_tank | ...#bzchat... |
| 22:45.18 | BZFlagr63 | do u want to hear something funny |
| 22:45.20 | CBG | No government operates completely legally. |
| 22:45.21 | Winny | nope |
| 22:45.22 | Erroneous | try it and see |
| 22:45.27 | BZFlagr63 | ok |
| 22:45.28 | JeffM2501 | yeah,bzchat |
| 22:45.38 | JBdiGriz | Government makes the laws, therefore they typically operate legally. |
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| 22:45.52 | Gnurdux | thats actually not true |
| 22:46.30 | JBdiGriz | It was quite a change to have a "government of the people, by the people, and for the people." |
| 22:46.43 | Gnurdux | for example, in a dictatorship, political murders are likely to be illegal, but the government still commits them |
| 22:47.43 | Gnurdux | and in a democracy, there are usually all kinds of laws about what the government is required to disclose, which are unlikely to be followed in all case |
| 22:47.45 | JBdiGriz | Many governments have exemptions for political assassinations. It was only recently that the US decided they would be illegal. |
| 22:47.57 | Erroneous | Gnurdux, JBdiGriz: this conversation does belong in #bzchat |
| 22:48.01 | Gnurdux | true |
| 22:48.12 | think_tank | and the discussion is already going on there |
| 22:48.18 | itrebal | heh.. how do I get my chat window back? |
| 22:48.54 | Erroneous | some key...don't remember which it is by default. w maybe? |
| 22:49.05 | itrebal | indeed, thanks |
| 22:52.41 | Winny | Dance |
| 22:52.59 | blast007 | Winny: no |
| 22:53.06 | blast007 | I can't, court order |
| 22:53.26 | Erroneous | 'cause when blast007 dances, the earth shakes! |
| 22:53.40 | blast007 | I don't even think the floor shakes |
| 22:54.00 | CBG | Did you visit the UK a couple days ago, blast007? |
| 22:54.01 | Erroneous | hehe |
| 22:54.06 | blast007 | :D |
| 22:54.17 | Winny | lol |
| 22:54.44 | blast007 | CBG: no, but I did stay at a holiday inn express |
| 22:55.03 | CBG | Weird. I was near one of those today. |
| 22:55.11 | JBdiGriz | Erroneous: What was that about off-topic conversations? TGIF. ;) |
| 22:55.19 | kirun | http://b3ta.com/board/8107639 |
| 22:55.20 | Erroneous | heh |
| 22:55.22 | CBG | Fell asleep on the bus. Missed my stop by 15 mins, got off at one of those crapholes. |
| 22:55.46 | Erroneous | we lose focus so quickly ;) |
| 22:55.53 | blast007 | kirun: hehe, yeah, sorry about that ;) I just had to dance |
| 22:55.54 | CBG | Wow. I've seen that image 7 times in 2 days. :| |
| 22:55.58 | JBdiGriz | First person, plural? |
| 22:55.59 | Winny | maybe that explains the 3.0 delay ;) |
| 22:56.10 | blast007 | Winny: 3.what? |
| 22:56.11 | CBG | And I saw another (non lincolnshire) version a long time ago. |
| 22:56.45 | Winny | blast007 ;) |
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| 23:12.56 | onetwofour | hello |
| 23:14.48 | Winny | you say goodbye, I say hello |
| 23:14.54 | Winny | errm |
| 23:15.21 | whodaman- | hello hello....I dunno why you say goodbye I say hello |
| 23:15.29 | Winny | hehe |
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| 23:52.47 | Winny | hmm |
| 23:52.49 | Winny | this is just an idea |
| 23:53.03 | Constitution | then no, sorry |
| 23:53.09 | Constitution | ;) |
| 23:53.15 | Winny | but would any of the devs consider going on this? http://twit.tv/FLOSS |
| 23:53.25 | blast007 | I never consider flossing |
| 23:53.42 | Winny | it's a really awesome podcast by leo laporte :) |
| 23:55.34 | blast007 | Winny: Do 9 out of 10 dentists listen to it? |
| 23:55.44 | Winny | they seem to be covering 3d stuff lately, we'd fit in nicely :) |
| 23:56.11 | blast007 | guess I make a note to add that to my zune |
| 23:56.36 | blast007 | probably be more interesting that the PHP podcast I have on there now |
| 23:57.13 | awilcox | what's the 'l' stand for? |
| 23:57.15 | awilcox | ~wtf floss |
| 23:57.25 | awilcox | ~floss |
| 23:57.26 | ibot | [floss] Free, Libre, and Open Source Software |
| 23:58.27 | blast007 | awilcox: it said that right on the webpage ;) |
| 23:58.30 | Winny | hehe |
| 23:59.27 | awilcox | I didn't want to have to bring up a browser. Browsers are nasty until I can get moar RAM for this computer (or better still, find my stupid XP x64 disc for the quad.) |
| 23:59.43 | blast007 | links or lynx uses too much RAM? |
| 23:59.50 | blast007 | oh, windows |
| 23:59.52 | blast007 | duh |
| 23:59.58 | awilcox | blast007: uh, forgot about elinks |
