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00:00.16brlcadit's a valid warning, people declaring const int or const float and similar return types
00:00.28brlcadit shouldn't be labeled as const
00:01.23brlcadI fix those whenever I build under mipspro which I haven't done since ... wow, since 1.10.6
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00:05.19TimRikerbrlcad: gcc-4.3 warnings
00:07.14CIA-26BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16687 10/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag/include/SceneRenderer.h: declaring the return value of an intrinisc type as const is meaningless
00:07.44brlcadiiinteresting
00:08.09brlcadyay for getting to the level of warnings mipspro used to produce
00:09.00TimRiker:)
00:09.01brlcadlooks like it's already fixed on head
00:11.16a_meteoriteAnyone object to this avatar? http://my.bzflag.org/bb/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=1566
00:12.08CBGme.
00:12.15a_meteoriteThough that's not the first time z[h]ero has had a dodgy or plain weird avatar...
00:12.20a_meteoriteCBG: You don't count :P
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00:12.54CBG...
00:15.01brlcadyeah, that's not appropriate
00:15.35Winnyhe always has really annoying avatars
00:15.37Winnyand sigs
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00:41.53Rideis blast afk
00:42.19blast007yes, he is
00:42.31blast007...
00:44.55a_meteoritehahahaha
00:55.43Winnyhaha
00:55.44Winnynice
00:58.45F687sWinny: About avatars, that's why God make adblock ;-)
00:59.05Winnyheh
00:59.08WinnyI like avatars
00:59.10a_meteoriteF687s: avatars aren't really an ad :)
00:59.13Winnyjust not annoying ones
00:59.16a_meteoritesemantics ftw
00:59.41F687sa_meteorite: the Adblock Firefox plugin. It erases all kinds of unwanted items
01:01.50blast007such as all of F687s's forum posts
01:01.57Winnyhehe
01:02.24F687sblast007: Fair enough
01:02.36a_meteoritewhy doesn't adblock have AI?
01:02.46a_meteoriteI demand in this day and age we have such choices!
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02:05.04a_meteoriteyay netsplit
02:06.58blast007weee...
02:06.58blast007there goes half the channel
02:06.58F687srun for your lives!!!
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02:10.44F687sAnd all is well again.
02:11.05Erroneouswhee
02:11.54spldartMajor Wheee
02:11.55F687sNever heard of him.
02:12.37spldartHe's the one who barks orders when a private first class trips on the cat 5 cable disconnecting a switch to a server causing a magor netsplit
02:13.56a_meteoritethat is why you use dual ethernet to each server both routed two different ways
02:14.45spldartThat falls under Major Reduncy's department
02:22.32Erroneousneither of them cause me any problems anyway, I'm friends with General Protection Fault
02:24.45spldartIs he related to Lt. Seg Fault
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02:25.22rtfmI'm related to General Anesthesia
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02:30.09rtfmsigh..
02:30.22F687s_why sigh?
02:30.41blast007freenode is having some issues yet
02:31.01blast007I wasn't seeing any reconnect/disconnect notices for rtfm over here...it was all lagged out
02:31.30blast007then rtfm gets killed by another server since it unsplit :P
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04:08.41swordblast007: You run Winter Park?
04:12.00swordGot an invincible guy over there.
04:18.16swordNevermind, Tedius took care of it.
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05:13.02blast007tofu: ping
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05:34.32brlcadblast007: pong
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05:35.26blast007brlcad: I think I'm ready to go live with the new image submitter
05:35.41blast007it sends out emails now even ;)
05:36.07blast007just about ready to commit the ability for users to see their pending images
05:53.25brlcadhehe, woot
05:53.33brlcadawesomeness then
05:53.47brlcadis there an easy way to migrate data over from the existing database?
05:53.56brlcador a hard way for that matter?
05:54.31CIA-26BZFlag: 03blast007 * r16688 10/trunk/web/submitimages/ (TODO getthumb.php index.php templates/home.tpl):
05:54.32CIA-26BZFlag: Show the user their pending images. Also allow all users to view thumbnails for listing pending images.
05:54.32CIA-26BZFlag: Scratch off some TODO items.
05:54.54blast007oh yeah, migration..
05:54.55blast007hmm
05:55.39blast007I don't think there's an easy way to do that
05:56.00brlcadthere are presently ...
05:56.07brlcad75 users
05:56.08blast007ah, I guess some of them we could
05:56.10brlcad1384 images
05:56.18brlcadwow, that's a lot of images
05:56.34blast007not all of them are from the old image submitter apparently
05:56.56blast007since they don't have the author file format it would have generated
05:56.57brlcadshould be most of them
05:57.17blast007and some of them don't seem to have any license info
05:57.25brlcadhuh, there are 93 author.txt files
05:58.02blast007in any case, I have more data required in the new system
05:58.10brlcada few dups in images/
05:58.11blast007it's not just the "author name" anymore
05:58.38blast007author name and uploader name are different now
05:58.46brlcadI gather, but just as a way to migrate, I'm wondering if there's a script that could be written that'd shoe-horn them in
05:59.00brlcadfilling in blank data for new required fields
05:59.35blast007http://images.bzflag.org/smcgee/  <-- no license data there
06:00.39blast007http://images.bzflag.org/bgrondin/ <-- only has license info for one of the images, and no author name
06:01.52blast007hmm, and some of these directories have a space at the end of the folder name
06:02.03blast007and the old directory script doesn't take that into account
06:02.04brlcadthere are 16 without author.txt
06:02.26blast007http://images.bzflag.org/yallaire/ <-- that one has it, but it's not standard
06:02.31brlcadsome of those I might have made just to show how it broke
06:03.01blast007some of these folder names aren't even valid, since they're a username, not the uploader's name
06:03.55brlcadI didn't except it to be trivial or comprehensive, what's your point? :)
06:04.47blast007so should I use the names there are the uploader name, or the author name?
06:04.51blast007as the*
06:05.28brlcaduploader
06:05.32blast007k
06:05.45brlcadold system had no (real) concept of author
06:05.57brlcadeven though it called it author
06:06.13brlcadit was usually the submitter
06:06.59brlcadI can see good reason to leave the 16 off that don't have a license as well as any that aren't open source licensed since that's a req for the new one
06:07.12brlcadcut it down from 93 to 70 or so
06:07.30brlcadunless it's too much hassle to determine
06:08.18brlcadyou could also just document how the backend is set up in a text file and we can move/readd them one by one manually
06:11.37blast007maybe I can add an upgrade mode to the directory script
06:14.02brlcadI forsee the old one disappearing when yours goes live .. doubt it'd be anything you need long term
06:15.32blast007heh... "License for RPG_blue_super_bolt.png: I'm testing the final features."
06:15.48blast007great license
06:15.54brlcadwoot! .. cien juegos gratuitos!  http://xateros.cl/blog/?p=161
06:16.45brlcadblast007: there is another alternative if you find it's just taking too long (if it takes you more than an hour to script, lemme know!)
06:17.05blast007rm -rf ./   ?  ;)
06:17.41brlcadheh, not quite -- I was more thinking to e-mail them all saying the old db is going to go off-line after N days and that they'll need to re-register their data in the new system if they need it
06:18.13brlcadI have logs for the images in use, so it's pretty easy to find out which ones are actually active as well
06:18.19blast007ah
06:18.41blast007in the end, that might be better anyway, because then we'll have better info about each image
06:22.04brlcadgrumble grumble
06:22.05brlcad:)
06:22.12brlcadlemme see how many diff ones are active
06:23.08blast007I just hit 9 folders in a row that don't have an author.txt
06:23.15brlcadcourse it did not help at all that you just went browsing..
06:23.40blast007heh..
06:23.50brlcadokay, looks like all the bz ones have no client ident
06:24.02blast007yeah, blank referer and user agent
06:24.16blast007or maybe they showed as -
06:25.10brlcadwow, gbratley wins hands down
06:25.16brlcadyeah as "-"
06:25.33brlcadtop four
06:25.34brlcad<PROTECTED>
06:25.34brlcad<PROTECTED>
06:25.34brlcad6784 /gbratley/Spazzy%20McGee_fence-barbs.png
06:25.34brlcad6859 /gbratley/Spazzy%20McGee_fence-chainlink.png
06:25.48brlcad(in the last 30 days)
06:25.56blast007hehe
06:26.13blast007the big two are probably for mofo
06:26.29blast007they have the fence around he map
06:29.23brlcadhm, 25 users that have been called at least twice
06:30.06brlcader, scratch that, bad count
06:30.45brlcad32 unique active (in last 30 days)
06:31.36brlcadso your call (given you'd be the one writing the script) .. :)
06:31.49blast007hmm
06:31.55brlcade-mail or import or hybrid
06:32.07blast007probably need a hybrid
06:32.15blast007depends which 32 it is
06:32.31blast007since some of them might not have any author info
06:32.41brlcadeasy enough to check
06:32.41blast007though not that we *need* it anyway
06:32.58blast007we don't have it right now, so not having it on the new one isn't a big deal anyway ;)
06:33.36blast007guess I'll try to parse the author.txt file
06:34.21brlcad9
06:35.00blast007I'll built an automatic check into directory.index.php that looks for an author.txt file
06:35.01brlcad9 have no author info, so 22 do
06:35.49blast007so the k
06:35.50blast007k*
06:36.47brlcadis there value in that?
06:37.06brlcadbecause that alone could be good enough reason to say screw it (not knowing the license)
06:37.40blast007hmm?
06:37.49brlcadno need to hook in author.txt support unless you think that'll be needed down the road
06:38.05blast007no, I'll just make it upgrade it
06:38.15brlcadi mean you made a new shiney system, might as well keep it clean if we can
06:38.31blast007since I'm already opening up the SQLite file at that point, and can try to parse and then import into the SQLite
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06:38.54blast007so a temporary thing until I traverse through the directories once
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06:53.02blast007brlcad: okay, I have code that can parse the author.txt file now :)
06:53.33blast007just have to make it insert that data into the SQLite
06:53.52blast007and then rename the author.txt to something else (instead of deleting, in case I screw this all up :P  )
06:55.04brlcadhehe
06:55.08brlcadi have backups
06:55.24blast007heh
06:55.44brlcadhmm.. which I haven't verified in weeks.. eep :)
06:56.22blast007on that note, I'll rename instead of delete ;)
06:56.55ruskiehttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03/04/gary_gygax_dies_at_69/ <-- :(
07:06.01a_meteoritewhat about /tdaede/TD-Linux_boxywar.png ?
07:06.06a_meteoriteblast007, brlcad?
07:06.30brlcadif that's yours, you made the #4 most downloaded this month
07:06.45a_meteoriteindeed
07:07.10blast007Congratulations. You win a free self-pat on the back!
07:07.13brlcadblast007 is about the bring the new image submission system on-line, so trying to figure out what to do about all you old farts
07:07.33a_meteoritedon't kill us :(
07:07.53a_meteoriteare you going to e-mail all the images? I don't have it locally and td-linux is hard to contact...
07:09.21blast007a_meteorite: my script isn't going to blow away files
07:09.28a_meteoriteah
07:09.40blast007it's going to upgrade the license info into the SQLite databases from the author.txt file
07:09.52a_meteoritesounds like voodoo
07:18.51blast007wee, it works
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07:21.53blast007aww, no CIA
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07:24.29CIA-26BZFlag: 03blast007 * r16689 10/trunk/web/submitimages/directory.index.php: Add in some horrible upgrade code. Shield your eyes.
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07:25.33CIA-26BZFlag: 03blast007 * r16690 10/trunk/web/submitimages/directory.index.php: Just in case, set the MD5 to null if the file doesn't exist.
07:30.15blast007brlcad: is there a way to make SVN convert the line breaks for files?
07:30.53blast007it seemed to do it on linux for me automatically, but maybe it just wasn't showing up in vi
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07:35.43CIA-26BZFlag: 03blast007 * r16691 10/trunk/web/submitimages/config.php.example: Testing the eol-style property.
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07:36.29brlcadblast007: yes, you set the svn property svn:eol-style
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07:36.56brlcadcan be forced to one way or another, but for most text files should be set as "native"
07:36.57blast007brlcad: k
07:37.12blast00799% of the files in this are text
07:38.17brlcadfind . -type f -not -regex '.*svn.*' -exec svn propset svn:eol-style native {} \;  ;)
07:38.31brlcadheh, hrmph
07:38.48brlcador just svn propset -R svn:eol-style native .   :)
07:38.58brlcadprobably more safe
07:39.41blast007brlcad: I'm using tortoiseSVN
07:39.43blast007GUI ftw
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07:40.45brlcadjust make sure it doesn't set the prop on dirs.. dunno how recursive works
07:41.09blast007I verified that
07:41.16blast007it's smart enough not to set it on the dirs itself
07:41.23brlcadhow kind of it
07:41.59brlcadyou should probably have an .svn/config file so you don't have to keep setting the prop ;)
07:42.53blast007and it should be 'native', right?
07:43.15brlcadyep
07:43.19blast007k
07:43.27brlcadhttp://bzflag.bz/~sean/config
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07:44.27CIA-26BZFlag: 03blast007 * r16692 10/trunk/web/submitimages/ (112 files in 9 dirs): Set svn:eol-style=native
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07:47.43brlcadyay for for file in `find . -type f \( -name \*.c -o -name \*.cpp -o -name \*.cxx -o -name \*.h -o -name \*.y -o -name \*.l \) -not -regex '.*src/other.*' -not -regex '.*~' -not -regex '.*\.log' -not -regex '.*Makefile.*' -not -regex '.*cache.*' -not -regex '.*\.svn.*' -exec grep -n -I -e '#[[:space:]]*include' {} /dev/null \; | grep "\"common.h\"" | sed 's/:.*//g'` ; do if test -f "`echo $file | sed 's/\.c$/\.l/g'`" ; then continue ; fi ; grep '#[[:space:]]*in
07:47.55blast007hehe..
07:48.18brlcad(finds all files that include common.h after some other header) ;)
07:48.47blast007nice
07:52.48blast007brlcad: is .htaccess enabled for images.bzflag.org ?
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07:53.28blast007apparently it is
07:53.36brlcadshould be
07:53.49blast007my .htaccess isn't working the same as it did elsewhere..
07:54.06brlcadcheck the security/error log?
07:57.29blast007hrm... just by turning on the rewrite engine for mod_rewrite, I'm getting 403 errors
07:58.04blast007it worked fine on Windows and Linux
07:58.19brlcad[Wed Mar 05 02:57:02 2008] [error] [client 24.180.190.113] Options FollowSymLinks or SymLinksIfOwnerMatch is off which implies that RewriteRule directive is forbidden: /usr/web/my.
07:58.23brlcadbzflag.org/resources/images/
07:58.41blast007oh
07:59.02blast007I had been doing a symlink
07:59.18blast007but I tried with an actual .htaccess file in the root, and it's still erroring
07:59.51brlcadit's saying rewrite is forbidden in images
07:59.59blast007hmm
08:00.05brlcadwant me to enable it?
08:00.11blast007yeah, please
08:01.59brlcadtry now
08:02.14blast007403 yet
08:02.37blast007I'm symlinking .htaccess to submitimages/directory.htaccess now
08:03.38brlcadah, helps if I put it in the place
08:03.43brlcadnow
08:04.15blast007there we go
08:07.12blast007meh, crud, there's no SQLite PDO drive on .bz
08:07.17blast007driver*
08:08.28blast007brlcad: how does that work on bsd? is there a package you can install, or do you have to rebuild PHP to add that?  (or is there just an extension you need to uncomment in the php.ini?)
08:13.29blast007guess there's not any SQLite support in any form
08:14.10blast007brlcad: I put it back to the old system for now.
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08:21.37brlcadthere is sqlite being used in other places
08:21.49blast007hmm
08:22.00brlcadmaybe just not via php
08:22.41blast007I didn't see anything in phpinfo() about sqlite
08:22.55blast007and for PDO drivers, there was nothing listed
08:23.59brlcadyeah, getting it now
08:24.15blast007k
08:24.25brlcaddo you need the "full text module"?
08:24.35brlcader, "full text search module"
08:24.57brlcad(apparently an option on the sqlite module
08:25.08brlcadthere's FTS1 and FTS2
08:25.21blast007um, hmm
08:26.00blast007http://www.sqlite.org/cvstrac/wiki?p=FtsTwo
08:26.29blast007so I guess use FTS2, not that it really matters for me
08:26.46brlcaddefault is off
08:26.58brlcadif you're not using it, i'd just as well leave it off
08:27.29blast007leave it off then
08:27.49blast007heh...
08:29.19CIA-26BZFlag: 03blast007 * r16693 10/trunk/web/submitimages/directory.index.php: Die with an error if creating the database creation is not successful during the upgrade mode.
08:29.50blast007creating the database creation... nice grammar blast007...
08:30.31a_meteoritedo not code while under the influence
08:30.55a_meteoritebut for blast007, I think that could be defined as too much candy
08:31.17blast007a_meteorite: in this case, "it's 2:30am"
08:31.33a_meteoritepfft. more drama next time.
08:32.50a_meteoritenight all
08:41.46brlcadblast007: try it now
08:43.11blast007negative
08:43.15blast007was that the PDO drive?
08:43.18blast007driver*
08:44.12brlcaddunnot remember/know what PDO stands for
08:44.19brlcadit's a php extension though
08:44.28brlcadlisted in the extensions file
08:45.32blast007PHP Data Object
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08:46.42blast007--with-pdo-sqlite
08:47.19blast007apparently the module is called pdo_sqlite
08:49.27CIA-26BZFlag: 03blast007 * r16694 10/trunk/web/submitimages/includes/directorydb.class.php: Die if we can't create (or initialize) the SQLite database for the queue.
08:51.59CIA-26BZFlag: 03blast007 * r16695 10/trunk/web/submitimages/includes/directorydb.class.php: On second thought, killing the whole script here is bad.
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09:11.22brlcadahh, sure enough there's another
09:11.33brlcaddammit
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09:23.08brlcaddone, installed
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09:25.55CIA-26BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16696 10/trunk/bzflag/Makefile.am: add a dist hook that makes sure all files in SVN are actually included in the source dist. if any are missing, dist aborts printing out the list of files missing.
09:27.35CIA-26BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16697 10/trunk/bzflag/ (13 files in 6 dirs): arf, common.h should _always_ come before system headers. header cleanup (this should be all occurances).
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10:15.05SlynderdaleWhile compiling BZFlag on windows using VC8 I get this error c:\commits\bzflagwork\src\platform\dxjoystick.h(27) : fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'dinput.h': No such file or directory
10:39.02WinnySlynderdale: you need the direct X SDK
10:40.26SlynderdaleWinny: I figured I was missing it ;p 500 meg download, 60% done
10:40.34Winny:p
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12:26.34Winnyugh... 16 IE 6 visitors.
12:29.29ruskielol
12:30.53Winnybut 50% are firefox :)
12:32.30whodaman-\o/
12:32.36whodaman-Winny, how many Safari?
12:32.42Winny1
12:32.42Winny4
12:32.44Winny14*
12:33.35whodaman-brad, what site? :)
12:33.40Winnybrad, ick
12:34.44brad~lart Winny
12:34.44ibotfollow's Winny with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION
12:34.54Winnyhey!
12:34.58bradquake!
12:34.58WinnyYou can't run THEN lart
12:35.12Winnythat breaks the time-space continuem
12:35.25bradyeah I got confused and did it in the wrong order
12:35.39Winny:)
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12:41.39short_circuitGotta brush brush that that lart over yo shoulder!
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12:50.09xwissenhi
12:50.16Winnyhi
12:50.58xwissenEnglish or Germann in this chat?
12:51.24Winnythere are people here for both :)
12:52.12xwissenah ;)
12:52.39short_circuitmostly english though hehe
12:54.05xwissenmy nativ language is german but english is ok too
12:55.46xwisseni like to run a bzflag server again -> in the package archive from bedian (etch) only the v.2.0.8 and http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/bzflag/ the deb package make problems
12:58.25short_circuit2.0.8 worked for me last I checked, in deb etch, but you can always build your own from souce code.
12:58.40short_circuitI think that brings you up to 2.0.10 or 2.0.11
12:59.05Winny2.0.11
12:59.07short_circuitif you google bzflag and svn you'll find the links you need to get the code
12:59.23short_circuitWhat problem is 2.0.8 causing?
12:59.24Winny~bzsvn
12:59.25ibotit has been said that bzsvn is http://my.bzflag.org/w/BZFlag_SVN and svn co https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/trunk/bzflag bzflag
12:59.49Winny2.0.x SVN: https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag
12:59.50short_circuitnono... ~bzsvn2_0
13:00.03short_circuit~bzsvn2_0
13:00.12short_circuit~bzsvn2.0
13:00.21Winnyheh
13:00.24short_circuitpoop
13:00.33xwissenthx
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13:41.17Winnyhmm, you know what show I really wish wasn't cancelled?
13:41.37whodaman-Winny, dexter's labratory?
13:41.42Winny:p
13:41.45whodaman-:p
13:42.13Winnyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrapheap_Challenge
13:43.05whodaman-cool
13:43.18whodaman-Winny, as long as Mythbusters lives, we'll live :p
13:43.27Winnywhat?! it's still on?
13:43.28Winnyugh
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13:54.19Winnydid this ever happen? http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=12139
13:54.23Winny(the move)
13:56.05tsNot that I know
13:56.07Constitutiondon't think so
13:56.55xwissenthe passdb is md5 or?
13:58.14Winny?
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14:00.38xwissenthe bzflag server => i have 1 user file 1 password file
14:00.57WinnyDon't use password files.. that's what gloabl login is for
14:01.43xwissenah and how run global login as admin..... (i always run with files...)
14:02.02Winnyhttp://my.bzflag.org/w/Setting_up_a_group_file
14:04.27xwissenthx
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14:14.44xwissenok i play a littel bit on my map ^^
14:22.57xwissen^afkthx for helping i go, ye
14:22.59xwissen^afkbye
14:23.12Winnybye
14:33.37Winnyhmm, category icons or no category icons
14:33.39Winnythat is the question
14:34.37Winnybrlcad, what categories would there be on the main page? (for news)
14:34.53WinnyI can only think of News, New Releases, and "Other"
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15:05.32CIA-26BZFlag: 03blast007 * r16701 10/trunk/web/submitimages/directory.index.php:
15:05.32CIA-26BZFlag: Add a moderation message for the upgrade stating it was imported from the old system.
15:05.32CIA-26BZFlag: Add in the license URL for GPL and Public Domain when upgrading author.txt.
15:10.59CIA-26BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16702 10/trunk/bzflag/src/other/curl/docs/ (Makefile.am libcurl/Makefile.am): don't bother with the pdf and html docs since they require extra tools. just complicates our dist build.
15:11.34Winny~whodaman-++
15:14.28CIA-26BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16703 10/trunk/bzflag/src/ (bzflag/Makefile.am bzrobots/Makefile.am): clientauthentication is no more
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15:53.38blast007brlcad: ran the update code on all the directories
15:54.20blast00719 directories didn't have a standard author.txt or any author.txt
16:09.15brlcadokie dokie
16:11.20blast007looks like it's all working
16:11.31brlcadshweet
16:11.37brlcaddo the URLs change for them?
16:11.46brlcad(i.e. do they still need to be notified)
16:11.47blast007the email about pending images just got sent out from my test
16:11.51blast007the URLs are the same
16:11.56brlcadimpressive
16:14.17blast007approval and rejections work fine too. we look to be fully functional
16:15.31Constitution~blast007++
16:15.42blast007a couple things are left to be done yet, like checking for duplicate file names before trying to rename to the destination
16:15.56blast007and checking for duplicate filenames already in the queue
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16:22.06brlcadblast007: regardless in all, hats off to you -- impressive work :)
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16:23.46blast007brlcad: thanks :)
16:24.08brlcadin the index view, is there anything potentially dangerous about letting them wander through submitimages.old/submitimages_dmp
16:25.02blast007we should need either of those
16:25.04brlcadhm, doestn't look like it
16:25.38brlcadI'd still like to keep dmp's around to see what can merge -- he had some sweet stylesheets
16:25.49blast007k
16:25.55whodaman-~blast007++
16:26.00brlcadi mean, doesn't have to be in the dir, of course
16:28.15Winnybrlcad, how can you _stand_ the drupal admin interface?
16:30.23blast007Winny: I've puked up better admin interfaces.
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16:37.24brlcadWinny: heh, it's called a learning curve ;)
16:38.01brlcadtill you know their whole taxonomy, it's a bit painful, but they do have the problem of having/needing/providing so many options
16:38.22brlcadyay, global deny on .svn directories
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16:38.32brlcad(submitimages was happily traversing into them) :)
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16:39.11Winnybrlcad, do you have a specific template engine you want to use?
16:39.16WinnyI'm leaning towards xtemplate
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16:43.48brlcadnope
16:43.54brlcadjust a means to the end
16:48.31CIA-26BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16707 10/trunk/web/submitimages/directory.index.php: don't list .svn dirs
16:49.25whodaman-Winny, http://bzfusion.net/bzflag.org/v2.0/index.html maybe add a "Forum" bar on the top?
16:50.03Winnyno point right now
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16:54.23blast007brlcad: technically my directory.htaccess probably needs work to not run the file index script for anything inside submitimages/
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16:58.33brlcadblast007: true true, hopefully you'll have better luck
16:58.37brlcad:)
16:58.52blast007;)
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17:07.08JeffMblast007, how hard will it be to convert images from the old system to the new one?
17:07.40blast007JeffM: already done
17:07.45JeffMcool, then that makes it easy ;)
17:08.02blast007at least for the ones that had a proper author.txt file from the old system
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17:12.53JeffMbet the gsoc is putting a lot more stress on the olde freenode
17:13.12WinnyJeffM, it's a DDoS (well, that was what it was yesterday)
17:13.27JeffMhence stress ;)
17:13.52JeffMbrlcad, are we applied yet?
17:14.03brlcadheh, no not yet
17:14.06JeffMk'
17:14.31brlcadit took several days last time to prepare from the time it opened, I don't expect it to take any less this time ;)
17:14.41brlcadbeen working it
17:14.58Winnywow, the drupal documentation for smarty sucks
17:15.00JeffMwell you said before that we could reuse some of the same responces
17:15.06JeffMbut we have time
17:15.12brlcadyeah, it should be faster overall
17:15.32JeffMwhat solid formats will brlcad import?
17:16.52brlcadcomgeom, dxf, enf, euclid, fastgen, iges, jack, nastran, proe, and tankill iirc
17:17.15JeffMhmm, no ACIS or parasolid?
17:17.17brlcada few other polygonal formats but if they don't close a surface, it'll bring them in as a plate-mode surface
17:17.46JeffMlet me see if I can dump the new tank as an iges
17:17.48brlcadheh, no -- you can only get those if you hook into the acis or parasolid engines (which are commercial engines that cost $'s)
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17:19.18brlcadwhat're you trying to do?
17:19.30JeffMhttp://www.opencombat.net/files/geometry/new_tank_tris.dxf
17:19.41brlcadI have access to several of the major cad systems if you just want me to see something ;)
17:19.48JeffMthat shoudl open
17:19.53JeffMwe open it
17:20.02JeffMand solidify most of it
17:20.11JeffMso you should be able to see it
17:20.14brlcadwow, 650 faces
17:20.20JeffMyeah
17:20.28JeffMthat's triangulated
17:20.36JeffMI have one that isn't, but that's just how BZ will see it
17:20.47JeffMstill not many in the grand scheeme ;)
17:21.10JeffMthere is also an obj in that dir
17:21.26JeffMcan you think of anything else that could be done to it? I'm not totaly happy with the barrel
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17:28.59DragonfangHello everyone
17:29.15Dragonfanganyone got 2secs to answer a question for me?
17:35.22JeffMand it seems 2 secs was all he had
17:35.47JeffMbrlcad, when you have time, we need to pick and setup a paypal account.
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17:43.20Rchallo
17:43.22Rcts?
17:43.43Rc~ping ts
17:43.44ibotpong ts
17:43.53JeffMcan we help you?
17:44.00Rchi jeff
17:44.22Rcim having a problem with my bz client
17:44.28JeffMwhat kind of problems?
17:44.40Rcwith certain servers , i can't log in
17:44.57Rcit'll say "world cache files disappeared"
17:45.06JeffMwhat OS are you on?
17:45.10Rcwin xp
17:45.32JeffMis your my documents folder on a network volume? or is it on your C drive?
17:46.00Rcumm i think its on my c drive
17:46.06JeffMthat's good
17:46.08Rclemme check real quick..
17:46.12JeffMit probalby just got courpted
17:46.27Rcyea it's on C
17:46.31JeffMhas it worked before? and just started havint this problem/
17:46.32JeffM?
17:46.51Rcnyea i recently had to do a system restore , so my puter's alil messed up right now =P
17:46.56JeffMahh
17:46.59Rcjust recently
17:47.04JeffMthen go into your my documents folder
17:47.07Rck
17:47.11JeffMand find the my bzflag files folder
17:47.14Rck
17:47.15JeffMin there shoudl be a cache dir
17:47.18JeffMjust throw it away
17:47.20Rck
17:47.20JeffMwe'll make a new one
17:47.33whodaman-nice
17:47.35Winnyheh
17:47.59JeffMhah
17:48.49Winny:p
17:49.42JeffMat least he got his answer first
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17:50.59whodaman-welcome back
17:51.06Rci think some1 is HaXing my puter
17:51.12whodaman-..
17:51.14whodaman-no
17:51.16Rctis u whodaa
17:51.24Rcis that u sussudio?
17:51.25whodaman-yeah
17:51.32Rc...
17:51.38Rcfigures
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17:52.03WinnyNo, someone has register that nam... UGH
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17:52.18WinnyNo, someone has register that name so you got booted earlier
17:52.21blast007Rc: someone else owns your name on freenode
17:52.32Rco
17:52.35blast007this is IRC, and it is not just dedicated to BZFlag.
17:52.42Rci c
17:52.44whodaman-and they're enjoying ghosting you
17:52.55Rcnwell i tried to do what jeff said...
17:52.56whodaman-and unlike BZFlag, we use full english words and sentences
17:53.20Rcbut like my computer wont let mee delete any files
17:53.35Rcquiet plz sussudio , im talking to the adults
17:53.43Winnyhuh?
17:54.09Rcso i couldnt delete the bz cache folder
17:54.18Winnymake sure BZFlag is not running.
17:54.27Rci did
17:54.40JeffMRc, then you have system issues
17:54.45JeffMyou probalby don't own the folder
17:54.56JeffMget your system working first , then worry about bzflag
17:54.57Rci cant delete anything , it'll say an application is in use(when theres not)
17:55.08JeffMhence why I say your system is not happy
17:55.09JeffMyou need to fix that
17:55.16Rcyea
17:55.17JeffMand that it outside of the support we can give you
17:55.19Winnylol
17:55.25tsrofl
17:55.33JeffMhe's probably 10
17:55.46WinnyJeffM: it's a she if it's who I'm thinking of
17:55.47tshe is probably a she
17:55.57JeffMrcola?
17:56.01Winnyyeah
17:56.03JeffMok
17:56.04tsno
17:56.06Winnyoh?
17:56.11JeffMcus she'd know better
17:56.14JeffMabout IRC I mean
17:56.21Winnyhmm
17:56.51tsShe was known as RC cola
17:57.02JeffMshe should know about IRC
17:57.08JeffMshe has been on it for a long time
17:57.08WinnyJeffM, it's her.. same IP
17:57.11JeffMk
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18:13.50brlcadJeffM: she be purdy: http://bzflag.bz/tmp/glasstank.png
18:14.24whodaman-heh
18:14.30brlcadbut you're right .. not so sure about that barrel
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18:15.51JeffMdon't many tanks have some sort of bulge near the turret?
18:16.14cl0akedhey guys
18:16.21brlcadparticularly because they don't taper and I'm not sure what the intent of those holes are ..
18:16.38JeffMgass vent I guess
18:16.48spldartyes
18:16.59spldartAnd there are many reason for bulges on the turret
18:17.06JeffMcan you provide me samples of real barels?
18:17.40JeffMI have no problem going to a non taperd barel
18:17.48JeffMI just wanted it to be more then a silly cylinder ;)
18:17.52brlcadthe bulge you see are usually sensor systems (if we're thinking of the same bulge) that helps calibrate the turret aiming system so they can fire at a picked target while still driving at 50mph
18:18.08JeffMwell those tend to break up the line
18:18.11cl0akedhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:TigerITankTunis.jpg
18:18.15JeffMisn't there usualy something at the end too?
18:18.16brlcadthe barrel auto-tracks an stays locked on while the tank rumbled up and down
18:18.20spldartsome reduce in sections http://www.achtungpanzer.com/tiger.htm
18:18.48JeffMthanks andrecastelo that's the holes I was thinking of
18:19.02JeffMyeah I coudl stagger it I guess
18:19.05JeffMI'll try that
18:19.18JeffMbut not today
18:19.18KTLa german tiger is one of the last things i want to see jumping close to me :D
18:19.19JeffM:)
18:19.26brlcadah, I see yeah older tanks
18:19.33spldartI wanna King Tiger II
18:19.38JeffMwhat is the BZ tank closest to now?
18:19.55brlcadthe inside still doesn't taper, but there is extra armor and recoil safeties
18:20.12andrecasteloJeffM: here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:M-84_AB1_army_recognition.jpg - i think this one is better
18:20.44JeffMis that a tank? or mobile artillery?
18:21.07brlcadfrom all the measurements I've seen and the features on the tank, it corresponds pretty closely to an abrams
18:21.38JeffMwhat does the end of the barrel of one of those look like?
18:21.42andrecasteloJeffM: a tank, i guess
18:21.51spldarthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chieftain_tank
18:21.56andrecasteloJeffM: took from the wikipedia tank article
18:21.56brlcadhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:M1-A1_Abrams_1.jpg
18:22.14JeffMhmm our barell sticks out a lot more I think
18:22.51JeffMbrlcad, you woudn't happen to HAVE a model of an M1 woudl you? do an overlay so I can see the diffs?
18:23.11JeffMor I guess I could get one on turbo squid
18:23.27brlcadhm, might take a bit to set up, maybe
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18:23.45JeffMI'll get on on TS then, no need to waste your time
18:23.51brlcadthe barrel length was pretty close, give or take half a meter
18:23.55JeffMI like the treads and covers on the new model
18:24.03tsJeffM: Huh?
18:24.04spldartThe brits make a tough looking tank http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Challenger_II.jpg
18:24.09JeffMbut I'm not happy with the durret sides and the barre
18:24.14JeffMts, not oyu, another ts ;)
18:24.29JeffMTurbo Sqid
18:24.31tsName thiefs :p
18:24.32JeffMsquid
18:25.28JeffMI'll gust grab this, it's free
18:25.28JeffMhttp://www.turbosquid.com/FullPreview/Index.cfm/ID/202763
18:25.33JeffMand will work for comparison
18:25.53spldartAh hey... A longer barrel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Leopard1_cfb_borden_2.JPG
18:26.16KTLhttp://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/imgs/of40.jpg  <- italian of 40 oto melara
18:26.34KTLseveral similarities
18:26.58spldartYes... get rid of that metal work on the back of the turret and it's real close
18:27.00brlcadnothing really compares to the m1 these days when it comes to heavy armor
18:27.10KTLhttp://www.enemyforces.com/tanks/of40.htm
18:27.17JeffMI like the sawtooth of the covers on that one, maybe I'll do that too
18:27.20KTLthat page has a plans of the thing :)
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18:27.24brlcadthe old russian t72's used to give them a run early in the design, but not any more
18:27.33brlcadlots of great pictures here: http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/abrams.htm
18:27.42L4m3rthen maybe we should use something else, since the game uses one-hit kills :P
18:28.08JeffMwe coudl use tim's pimp tank
18:28.10KTLthe bz tank is not an abrams, the turret is smaller
18:28.55brlcadKTL: across all the features, it's matches up the closest in dimensions
18:29.05tsThe bz tank looks a bit like http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerkampfwagen_V_Panther
18:29.08brlcadthe turret probably just looked "too fake" when it had the real length
18:29.21brlcadscrews with the bounding box too
18:29.25JeffMthe current turret actualy intersects the treads
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18:32.58KTLreal tank designs tend to be lower then a bztank
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18:34.09KTL(ok, not always true)
18:38.49JeffMKTL, did you have perhcance to talk to your desing buddy?
18:39.27KTLnot yet, i will call him but i would not counting on results
18:41.21JeffMI think I'll try another design with the icon
18:41.36JeffMI liked saturos' skewed icon idea
18:41.51JeffMmaybe just that in a light color, with a second color fill
18:42.40KTLjust called him, he got lots of other work, like me but i procrastinate more.
18:42.47JeffMheh
18:43.11KTLhe might look at it but no guarantees, and he kinda liked what you allready made JeffM
18:43.27JeffMI like the split ciricle thing
18:43.30KTL*kinda*
18:43.32JeffMbut I'm not sold on the tank icon
18:43.42JeffMthe wireframe logo tank I mean
18:43.51JeffMmaybe something more like at an angle with an outline
18:45.02brlcadhttp://bzflag.bz/tmp/m1bzoverlay.png
18:45.15KTL:)
18:45.16brlcaduncanny closeness (other than the barrel)
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18:45.28JeffMyeah
18:45.42brlcadthe bigger barrel probably just looked better
18:45.43JeffMand I assume we don't want to stub up our barrel?
18:45.50JeffMmaybe I'll split the diff
18:46.01brlcadwell you have loadable models now .. :)
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18:46.03JeffMor slide the durret backa  little
18:46.06JeffMbrlcad, yes
18:46.16JeffMbut I'm building the default model for it ;)
18:46.19brlcadcould have a traditional bz, an m1a1, a t72 .. :)
18:46.29brlcadtraditional and new bz
18:46.51KTLhttp://www.merit-intl.com/month/5-15-03/hf/hf003.jpg  <- my favourite :D
18:47.13brlcadheh
18:47.28brlcadit would flip over
18:47.34KTLow for the burrow tank, there exists a tank designed to dig in
18:47.36JeffMbrlcad, I didn't want to make too many models by defaut, I figured just one that was close to but better then the old one
18:47.56KTLstrv 103 s swedish
18:47.56brlcadJeffM: okay, meh to me how many :)
18:48.11JeffMwell I'll have to make sure I finish it too
18:48.30JeffMI'll try to tweak the barrel a little and see how it goes
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18:48.37JeffMmostly I did the new model for artwork
18:48.44KTLhttp://www.hevre.co.il/images/photos/372547_194075.JPG  <- familiar? :D
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18:48.48JeffMmenotume, want to be a mentor again this year?
18:48.49brlcadthere is an argument for the barrel length, you lose stability/control/precision with length .. so to make the game more fun, we had to make the barrel longer
18:49.31brlcadmenotume wants to be a mentor again, dontcha menotume .. *intent stare*
18:49.46JeffMthen menotume needs to get me his google account ;)
18:51.51brlcadJeffM: what silly modeler made y be up for that dxf ..
18:52.04JeffMlightwave
18:52.10JeffMthen I just did a conversion
18:52.13Winnybrlcad: menotume sleeps too much to be a viable mentor ;)
18:52.17JeffMand didn't rotate it in gibbs
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18:57.47Winnybrlcad: do you have any idea how to activate other theme engines in drupal? I can't seem to find it.
19:07.00brlcadi've always just used the default, found it pretty straightforward to set up
19:07.13Winnyhmm
19:07.42WinnyXTemplate is much easier to use, but I can't figure out how to activate the engine
19:07.46brlcadso because you don't "like" it, you're going to just make things harder for you
19:08.11KTLJeffM, http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d7d9a7815  with enable debug on 64bit
19:08.14Winnyheh
19:10.18JeffMahh robots
19:10.19JeffMfun
19:12.10JeffMsadly I can not build robots
19:12.16JeffMso I can only guess on fixes for that
19:14.39Winnyooh, it almost works
19:14.45Winnyfancy
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19:17.34JeffMKTL, try taking out the part that says this
19:17.35JeffM(intmax_t *)
19:17.36Rcthnx jeff i fixed it =)
19:17.53Winnyya
19:17.54Winnyy
19:18.09Rci did a another system restore.. but pick a save point from a further date back
19:18.13JeffMon line 60 of src/bzrobots/MessageUtilities.cxx
19:18.16JeffMRc, cool
19:18.43JeffMyou can always just delete anything in the my bzflag files dir, we'll rebuild it as needed.
19:18.51Rck
19:19.29whodaman-gah
19:19.29Winnylol
19:19.41Winnyshe doesn't get it yet it seems :P
19:21.15Winnyhmm, sort of works. Now I just need to figure out why it's not rendering properly. http://bzflagr.net/drupal/
19:32.52KTLJeffM, with bzrobots disabled:  http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/d6c6e6b28
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19:42.45Winnyoi.. drupal requires specific naming of CSS elements :/
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19:59.19tsJeffM: Hrm, sad... intmax_t fixes for me.
19:59.38tsJeffM: The type long long int is never correct in ISO C++
20:01.00brlcadi believe they fixed that in tr1
20:01.38JeffMKTL, ahh, bzadmin I can build ;)
20:01.39brlcadif you guys just want a build, take Werror off the cflags list, those are just warnings
20:02.29JeffMfixing warnings isn't a bad thing ;)
20:02.49CIA-26BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16709 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzadmin/BZAdminClient.cxx: quell warning
20:03.49brlcadit's not, but if we're going to get a pastebin on %d to %u or on simple casts missing .. it's really counterproductive -- should get someone on linux to fix the warnings
20:04.12brlcadi mean the reports are helpful, don't get me wrong.. just exceptionally inefficient when they're that trivial
20:04.17JeffMheh
20:04.31JeffMwe could teach KTL how to fix them, then he could make a big patch ;)
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20:16.50spldartTo whom it may concern... 16708 builds properly in debug and ran ok
20:18.01brlcadwhat are we up to now?
20:18.09brlcadnever mind, I see it :)
20:18.11spldart09...
20:18.18spldartI'm testing that tiny tidbit now
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20:25.10spldartLooks like nothings brokeded in 09 either :)
20:29.32JeffMyeah I think the only warnings left are 64 bit ones
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20:29.36Winnyblah, PHPTemplate it is
20:29.57blast007Winny: having fun? ;)
20:30.02Winnyblast007: no :P
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21:02.26JeffMLadies and Getlemen.. dis' is mambo numba five!
21:02.59L4m3rthere's a one hit wonder for ya
21:03.05JeffMindeed
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21:28.43JeffMcan you take me higher.. to a place where blind men see. can you take me higher to a place with golden streets?
21:29.24tannerldthe wash closet?
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21:34.17JeffMawww... ya might as well jump
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21:35.55bz45hi
21:35.59JeffMhello
21:36.11bz45jeff hi
21:36.56JeffMis there some reason you don't type your name into the field when you come hbere?
21:37.03Winnywhee...
21:37.03spldartLOL @ the banter between winny and Jeff
21:37.31spldartThere. Your HP is back up
21:37.45Winnyhehe
21:37.55JeffMtake my love. take my land. take me where I can not stand. I don't care. I'm still free. I'm still free.
21:37.59Winnygrrr
21:38.20WinnyJeffM: http://youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU
21:38.31JeffMno rickrolling ;)
21:38.34Winnyaww :p
21:38.52JeffMthat is the cowards refuge
21:40.59tannerldanyone know the answer to this on svn compile: No rule to make target `TestRobot.cxx', needed by `TestRobot.lo'.  ?
21:41.01JeffMgiant steps are what you take.. walking on the moon. I hope my leg don't break.. walking on the moon.
21:41.12JeffMtannerld, what platform?
21:41.24tannerldlinux
21:41.45JeffMhmmm
21:41.53JeffMmost have been buiding with out robots
21:42.11JeffMare you just trying to build or trying to find build problems?
21:42.30blast007--disable-bzrobots ftw!
21:42.34JeffMyeah
21:42.47JeffMit dosn't look ike there is a maikefile for the testbox
21:42.48JeffMbot
21:45.07tannerldjust trying to build :\
21:45.15tannerldblast007: that go with ./configure if I do recall?
21:45.20blast007yup
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21:47.25spldartheh... didn't notice bzrobot didn't build.. I'm always so focused on the client,server and admin
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21:48.43JeffMyeah hmm the makefile in src/bzrobts looks to point to the right place
21:48.55knoxcornerJeff
21:48.59JeffMit probalby needs dist files
21:49.01JeffMyes knoxcorner ?
21:49.29knoxcornerWhen making an object in wings, once you make it .bzw format,
21:50.00JeffMare you asking how to convert between wings and bzflag maps?
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21:50.02knoxcornerin the group, wasnt there something like Y=Z that would flip the object
21:50.19JeffMIF you use model tool you can have it do the YZ swap
21:50.21blast007that's in the exporter, iirc
21:50.24JeffMusing a command line option
21:50.32JeffMit may be in the exporter, but I don't know
21:50.34JeffMnever used it
21:50.45JeffMI personaly do no like wings as a modeler
21:50.55JeffMwe did not make the wings exporter
21:51.05knoxcornerWell, blender is way to hard for me
21:51.09Winnyheh
21:51.23JeffMblender is hard in general :)
21:51.40JeffMblast007, we don't even have source for the exporter do we? just a link on trepans site
21:52.46spldartI found that wings was friendly enough to a beginner to produce some useful objects to import to a map too :)
21:53.19JeffMoh I'm sure it's fine for some people
21:53.22JeffMI just did not like it
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21:53.47blast007it might be an interpreted language, so maybe we do have the source
21:54.04JeffMit was erlang, IIRC it went to some VM format inbetween
21:54.11JeffMbut maybe, dunno
21:54.17blast007hmm
21:56.19blast007just checked, and it's definately not source code ;)
21:56.40JeffMthen we got nothin
21:57.09JeffMthe OBJ export should work
21:57.22JeffMhe updated modeltool to read the wackass wings obj variant
21:58.26spldartmodeltool++ for me :)
22:00.43tannerldheh - now bz compiles, but core dumps
22:01.01JeffMand that dump is?
22:01.46CIA-26BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16710 10/trunk/bzflag/BUGS:
22:01.46CIA-26BZFlag: Note that bzrobots build system is less then happy.
22:01.46CIA-26BZFlag: note that 64bit GCC builds in debug gots lots of format warnings/errors.
22:02.04tannerldseg fault?
22:02.22JeffMdo you have any form of debug output or backtrace?
22:02.37tannerldnope
22:03.16JeffMthen we ain't gonna be able to do mucha bout it.
22:03.44Winnyuse your super powers!
22:03.50JeffMok
22:04.01Winnyoi
22:04.02spldartuh oh
22:04.03Winnynot those ones
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22:04.11tannerldWinny: one word: run.
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22:04.22JeffM2501;)
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22:04.30spldartLike a twig snapping
22:04.34tannerldWinny: that wasn't very far
22:04.49JeffM2501tannerld, it would help if we could get some form of tracelog or something
22:04.53JeffM2501to see what is failing
22:05.02tannerldi'll see what I can do
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22:17.12SlynderdaleHmm, ayone here with any expierance on compiling BZFlag under windows? Are warnings like "warning C4996: 'strcat': This function or variable may be unsafe. Consider using strcat_s instead." and converion from blah to blah may possibly cause lost of data safe to ignore?
22:17.32JeffM2501what version of the sources are you using?
22:17.38JeffM2501and in what compiler?
22:18.19JeffM2501cus that is probalby 2.0.x in VC8 or 9
22:18.28JeffM2501those are just warnings
22:18.31JeffM2501you are fine with them
22:18.37tannerldJeffM2501: odd, I started it in fullscreen - stood still for about a min while it was "testing display" and now seems to work fine :\
22:18.57SlynderdaleJeffM2501: Trying the latest stable branch build just to see if I can get it to compile correctly under VC8 then I plan to compile the trunk.
22:19.09JeffM2501tannerld, odd. but that may be related to something jbd is tracking down, an issue when it's trying to figure out the display
22:19.22JeffM2501Slynderdale, those are warnings, you can ignore them
22:19.48SlynderdaleJeffM2501: Got one error though which is strange because I have the DirectX SDK installed Error  162  fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file 'dinput.lib'  bzflag  
22:20.09JeffM2501did you add the directX lib dir to the lib dirs for VC8?
22:21.29JeffM2501tools -> options -> projects and solutions -> vc++ directories -> change show directories for: to library files, then add the path to the direct X SDK lib dir
22:21.34JeffM2501C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft DirectX SDK (April 2007)\Lib\x86
22:21.37JeffM2501in my case
22:21.37SlynderdaleJeffM2501: C:\Program Files\Microsoft DirectX SDK (November 2007)\Lib\x86
22:21.44JeffM2501is that in the libs section
22:21.49JeffM2501or the includes section?
22:21.49SlynderdaleYeap
22:21.58JeffM2501ahh you have november
22:22.00JeffM2501not april
22:22.19SlynderdaleJeffM2501: I need the april SDK?
22:22.19JeffM2501did you change dinput.h to dinput8.h?
22:22.38JeffM2501april is the last version with the old dinput header and lib
22:22.44JeffM2501you can ether disable joystick support
22:22.48JeffM2501or rename some stuff
22:22.52JeffM2501or get the older SDK
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22:24.10SlynderdaleJeffM2501: Ah its dinput8.lib as you said, I'll rename it
22:24.19JeffM2501yeah
22:24.27JeffM2501if you rename the header, you have to rename the lib too :)
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22:24.49tannerldJeffM2501: sounds like they are related
22:25.11JeffM2501tannerld, woudl not suprise me
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22:25.50SlynderdaleJeffM2501: The header file is already called dinput.h
22:26.33JeffM2501ahh
22:26.33CIA-26BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16711 10/trunk/bzflag/BUGS: add note for first time run config wackyness bug
22:27.17tonywolfe121can someone give me the link to bzflag 1.0.7
22:27.30F687souch...
22:27.36JeffM2501tonywolfe121, it would all be on sourceforge
22:27.40JeffM2501or in subversion
22:27.46JeffM2501and it's 1.7.something
22:27.50JeffM2501not 1.0.7
22:28.00JeffM25011.7e,g,f, etcc.
22:28.06tonywolfe121but when i try to get it i get a error in svn
22:28.08blast007and *why* would you want that version?
22:28.10SlynderdaleJeffM2501: Hmm, Is there a way to poll a server to get the current player list?
22:28.15blast007tonywolfe121: okay, what are you trying to do?
22:28.22JeffM2501Slynderdale, techincaly yes.
22:28.30JeffM2501but not by hand
22:28.49JeffM2501there are sample scripts for various languages in the /misc dir for that
22:28.51AHASlynderdale, there is a PHP script that does that in the /misc dir IIRC
22:28.57AHAaww, beat me
22:29.10spldartGood question.. why 1.7... when I last hosted 1.7 there were only like 4 servers left and that was a year or so ago
22:29.11blast007okay
22:29.25JeffM2501here blast, have a stick
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22:29.34AHA:o
22:29.39blast007heh
22:29.45JeffM2501tonywolfe121, what specifc version of 1.7 do you want?
22:30.00spldartheh
22:30.11tonywolfe121i made a folder posted the link http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/branches/v1_7/bzflag/ then i push ok and it gives me a error
22:30.24blast007o.O
22:30.26tonywolfe121posted in svn
22:30.28SlynderdaleJeffM2501: Ah I see, I'll take a look. Thanks. I wanted to make a module for this one IRC bot I'm helping with to poll a server, get a list of players and display it in a channel. Also possibly periodly check the server and relay to IRC when someone joins or leaves.
22:30.30JeffM2501push ok on what?
22:30.43tonywolfe121tourtse svn
22:30.48JeffM2501Slynderdale, simpler to do that with a plug-in
22:30.54JeffM2501and have the server push to IRC
22:30.58blast007tonywolfe121: okay, what error did it give?
22:31.03JeffM2501tonywolfe121, are you just looking for a binary version for windows?
22:31.09blast007pfft, well for one thing that is NOT a valid SVN URL
22:31.09JeffM2501and do you even have a compiler?
22:31.13blast007that is for the web svn
22:31.16tonywolfe121no i want to compile it myself
22:31.29JeffM2501for what OS?
22:31.36Winnywhy on earth do you want to use bzflag 1.x?
22:31.59tonywolfe121propfind request failed on '/viewvc/bzflag/branches/v1_7bzflag
22:32.03JeffM2501you can download source tarballs from the sourceforge site
22:32.03blast007use this: https://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/branches/v1_7/bzflag/
22:32.06JeffM2501http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3248&package_id=3165
22:32.12JeffM2501and just go down to 1.7g2
22:32.15spldartgonna say url error
22:32.16blast007the URL he was using was for the Web SVN
22:32.21tonywolfe121http://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/bzflag/branches/v1_7/bzflag/
22:32.21JeffM2501simpler then using SVN
22:32.22spldartwas gonna
22:32.24spldartmeh
22:32.31JeffM2501tonywolfe121, you don't need to use SVN
22:32.34JeffM2501just use a tarball
22:32.34blast007but yeah, grab the .zip source archive
22:32.37JeffM2501it's a lot easier
22:32.42JeffM2501but WHAT OS are you on?
22:32.57tonywolfe121windows xp home sp2
22:33.03JeffM2501and what compiler do you have?
22:33.08spldartWere you going to tinker with that 'engine' tw?
22:33.10blast007why do you want to compile?  there is a binary for Windows.
22:33.29tonywolfe121TortoiseSVN
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22:33.31JeffM2501I ensure you it won't build under a modern compiler
22:33.36JeffM2501tonywolfe121, that is not a compiler
22:33.39JeffM2501that is a svn tool
22:33.43JeffM2501you need a compiler
22:33.47tonywolfe121because ive never tried to compile sothing before
22:33.49JeffM2501blast007, it's got the old if bug
22:33.56JeffM2501tonywolfe121, then you should learn how to compile first
22:33.56AHAtonywolfe121, then try a recent verio
22:33.59AHA*version
22:34.00blast007JeffM2501: hmm?
22:34.04blast007"if bug"?
22:34.06tonywolfe121i got the c++ compiler
22:34.11blast007tonywolfe121: which one? :P
22:34.13JeffM2501tonywolfe121, what compiler?
22:34.17AHAtonywolfe121, which one? there are many
22:34.23blast007*echo*
22:34.29blast007;)
22:34.41JeffM2501blast007, for loop int bug, sorry, where we reused a temp inside a for ( int i ); thing in a later for.
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22:34.55tonywolfe121i have a c++ compiler
22:34.55JeffM2501VC7+ won't handle that
22:34.59JeffM2501tonywolfe121, what one?
22:35.01JeffM2501it matters
22:35.01AHAtonywolfe121, which one?
22:35.02Winnywhich one..
22:35.09AHAlol
22:35.10Winnyhaha
22:35.11spldartOMG
22:35.14JeffM2501yeah he's special
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22:35.26Winnyheh
22:35.28tonywolfe121somthing broke
22:35.30AHAWait a few minutes and a post on the forums will pop up from him
22:35.33AHA:E
22:35.33blast007tonywolfe121: Okay, answer one question.  What C++ compiler do you have?
22:35.38spldartsssh
22:35.45tonywolfe121windows c++ 2008
22:35.53JeffM2501tonywolfe121, that will not build the old versions
22:35.57JeffM2501it is too new
22:36.00blast007Visual C++ 2008 *
22:36.10blast007you need VC6 :P
22:36.14blast007not VC9
22:36.14JeffM2501we don't even support that one officaly in our current software
22:36.17tonywolfe121i will get a older free one
22:36.21JeffM2501tonywolfe121, you can't
22:36.24blast007there is no free one for VC6
22:36.25Winnydude, just get a binary
22:36.35blast007the first free one was VC8
22:36.40Winnyif you NEED to run bzflag 1.7 for some reason
22:36.40spldartI think that wont fit his desire
22:36.49AHAtonywolfe121, try building a more current version if you want to try compiling
22:36.52spldartHe wants to modify if my guess is correct
22:36.56donny_bakertonywolfe121: are you also twh?
22:37.05tonywolfe121ok but what verson would be best
22:37.07blast007AHA: as jeff said, we don't even technically support VC9 in our trunk code
22:37.14AHAtonywolfe121, 2.0.10
22:37.21AHAthe current release
22:37.28JeffM25012.0.10 dosn't build in VC9
22:37.31blast0072.0.10 was targeted at VC7.1
22:37.32JeffM2501that I have verified
22:37.46JeffM2501it can build in vc8 with some work
22:37.47donny_bakerhttps://bzflag.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/bzflag/branches/v2_0branch/bzflag
22:37.49blast007and in VC8 there was issues with parallel builds or something, JeffM2501?
22:37.49AHAhe can download VC++ 205
22:37.52JeffM2501yes
22:37.53AHA*2005
22:38.02JeffM2501hence why I said "some work"
22:38.06blast007so even 2005 isn't going to be smooth
22:38.12AHAworks fine for me
22:38.15SlynderdaleJeffM2501: Hmm one last error it seems :/ Error  1  error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol _DirectInputCreateEx@20 referenced in function "public: __thiscall DXJoystick::DXJoystick(void)" (??0DXJoystick@@QAE@XZ)  platform.lib  
22:38.21JeffM2501trunk builds out of the box in VC8
22:38.38spldartooOooo really?
22:38.42JeffM2501Slynderdale, i would remcomend just removing the joystick support
22:38.52JeffM2501the rename stuff hasn't bene tested yet
22:39.05JeffM2501or getting the older SDK, that makes it easier
22:39.17SlynderdaleJeffM2501: The april one?
22:39.29JeffM2501Slynderdale, yes, that makes it work with less issues/mods
22:39.40ErroneousSlynderdale: or open config.h and #define BROKEN_DINPUT 1
22:39.44JeffM2501I havent' done the work to do stick support in the november SDK
22:39.59JeffM2501Slynderdale, yeah and remove the link lib from the projects
22:40.06JeffM2501or did I automate that?
22:40.12Erroneousyou did
22:40.16JeffM2501I think I automated it in trunk, not branch
22:40.20Erroneousyeah
22:40.24Erroneoushe's not using trunk?
22:40.29JeffM2501branch
22:40.34JeffM2501IIRC
22:40.43JeffM2501hah, 1.7g2 has a VC7 project
22:40.59SlynderdaleHow stable is the trunk?
22:41.08JeffM2501not
22:41.14spldartGah.... never got to microsoft while in linux LOL
22:41.18JeffM2501it's also totaly incompatable with 2.0.x servers
22:41.19Erroneousstability is relative, Slynderdale :)
22:41.25Erroneoustrunk is fairly broken
22:41.49JeffM2501ohh yeah, 1.7g2 does not build on VC8 ;)
22:42.17Erroneousa lot of the windows code has for-loop scoping issues iirc
22:42.18JeffM2501dosn't even have a config
22:42.26JeffM2501Erroneous, yeah that's what I was saying
22:42.34JeffM2501but the tarball seems to be missing files too
22:42.37Erroneousheh
22:43.12blast007was there a .zip too?
22:43.16JeffM2501yeah
22:43.21JeffM2501I call all those the tarball
22:43.26blast007oh
22:43.36JeffM2501sounds better then "source code archive" ;)
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22:44.32JBDRangersFanhow do u annouce urself in games?
22:44.40JeffM2501what do you mean?
22:45.39JBDRangersFanwhen i try to go to some maps i connect, and as soon as i press the key to start, it says i need to announce myslef? and kicks me from he server
22:45.51Winnyyou need to identify yourself
22:46.03JBDRangersFanyea thats what i mean, how do u do that?
22:46.04JeffM2501yeah you need to register
22:46.14JBDRangersFanthats the thing, i am...
22:46.15JeffM2501make an account on the forums
22:46.22JeffM2501and use that name and password in game
22:46.41AHAJBDRangersFan, what server? there are some servers where you need to be in a special group to spawn
22:48.07JBDRangersFandub.bzflag.org port5150
22:49.11JeffM2501are you using your forum password in the password field in the game?
22:49.27AHAand your username?
22:49.51JBDRangersFanthanks
22:49.53AHAare you using the username from the forums in the game, is what i should have said
22:49.55JBDRangersFani didnt know i needed that
22:50.04JeffM2501that's how it knows you are registered ;)
22:50.24JBDRangersFanah,thats why, it says my username is...but i didnt put 2 and 2 together
22:50.26JBDRangersFanthanks so much
22:51.34JBDRangersFannow it works great, thanks guys
22:51.43AHAnp
22:51.44JeffM2501cool
22:52.34pacman87well, i finally got 2.0.10 to compile in vc8 by following the instrucions in a post: http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=133236&SiteID=1
22:53.23JeffM2501what was the issue?
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22:55.46pacman87the issue was a lot of unresolved external symbol errors, the solution was adding some .libs to the additional dependencies line in corewin_express.vsprops
22:59.43JeffM2501did anyone help im in a PM?
23:00.25tannerldpacman?
23:00.35JeffM2501tonywolfe
23:03.44spldartI have a BAD feeling about the tony thing
23:04.23spldartBut I do believe an ignorance of what'
23:04.35JeffM2501heh
23:04.42spldarts involved in what I think he wants to do will prevent much from coming of ig
23:04.47spldart.... it grr
23:04.49spldartcan't type
23:04.53JeffM2501what do you think he wants to do?
23:04.58JeffM2501cheat in an old version?
23:05.06spldartpractice on an old version
23:05.12JeffM2501heh
23:05.18spldartWe already know he likes to use 'game resources'
23:05.29JeffM2501he'll spend the next 5 years geting it to build
23:05.37spldartHis post that got edited abruptly a few days ago comes to mind
23:05.39JeffM2501so it'll be a good thing for him to spin his wheels in
23:05.45JeffM2501what did it say?
23:06.05spldartHe posted about a problem with bzflag but left a 'cheat engine' on in his screenshot
23:06.10blast007was he the one with cheatengine in the screenshot?
23:06.14JeffM2501ahh
23:06.15spldartThat he says he only uses in the sims
23:06.22blast007which he might
23:06.26spldarttrue
23:06.27spldarthe might
23:06.34blast007I would have no reason to doubt that claim
23:06.46spldartI worry
23:06.50JeffM2501we just let him know that if he cheats in this game, we end him
23:06.51blast007I myself have cheat engine. doesn't mean I use it for bzflag.
23:06.53spldartAnd hope your right
23:07.14spldartAnd perhaps I'm to suspicious
23:07.32spldartHis quick delete seemed to add to the concern by more than a few
23:07.33spldarthehe
23:07.43blast007I deleted it
23:07.45spldartwell quick edit
23:07.50spldartYou did?
23:07.50blast007since he was responding to a post that I had just deleted
23:08.00spldartand winny put the screen shot back up?
23:08.05Winnywhat did I do?
23:08.11spldartor was it someone else
23:08.43spldartThat screenshot with the cheatengine in it... who did the response that put that in the thread in quesiton?
23:08.57Winnyoh, yes that was me
23:09.02spldartOkies
23:09.21spldartI could be totally off base here everybody... and I'm sorry if I am
23:09.40spldartI tend to worry to much
23:11.39JeffM2501it is probably not a bad idea to worry about him somewhat
23:11.50JeffM2501he's set off my spider senes as well
23:11.58spldartLOLOL :-D
23:12.08JeffM2501the probelm only comes up if you let that affect how you handle him before he does anything wrong
23:12.22spldartUnderstood
23:13.58JeffM2501I have some samll mods to try to the barrel
23:14.10JeffM2501probably do a stager step thing
23:14.15JeffM2501may help it look better
23:14.22brlcadyeah, the barrel is the weakest link
23:14.27JeffM2501and maybe add a radio antena
23:14.28spldarthehe
23:14.57JeffM2501the treads should animate well
23:15.04spldartooo... I like the radio ant idea... I assume that would continue on outside the kill sense box around the tank?.
23:15.15JeffM2501spldart, dunno
23:15.18JeffM2501maybe
23:15.58JeffM2501the way it works now, the old vis volume is still used, so if you have stuff that goes outside the old bbox it won't show up unless some part of the tank is vissible
23:16.05spldartBut the thought of an Areial... We are chatting to each other.. makes sense we are doin it on the radios in our tanks :-)
23:16.31JeffM2501yeah I have often pondered of puting little "Waves" that come ouf of the antena when you type
23:16.37JeffM2501and also hanging the flag on the antenta
23:16.46JeffM2501then make it bounce around as you drive :)
23:16.58spldartLOL.. That's great... I love the idea as long as practical LOL
23:17.31JeffM2501it'll be a bit before we get there
23:17.38spldartheck.. even making the end of the ant glow white for a sec on the press of enter on a typed message would be kinda kew
23:17.41JeffM2501and at that point i'll need to implment the TDD
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23:18.15spldartthe ant needs to be excluded from kill though
23:18.35JeffM2501we never use the tank geometry for kill detection
23:18.42spldartOh yeah..
23:18.50spldartit's a box cenerted on your position
23:18.55spldartisn't it
23:19.00JeffM2501I'm not sure
23:19.01spldartor rectangle
23:19.09JeffM2501it's ether a truncased sphere
23:19.21JeffM2501or the bounding box
23:19.26JeffM2501I think it's a sphere
23:19.40JeffM2501I haven't looked in a while
23:19.46JeffM2501there are also muliple shapes
23:19.47spldartLearn something knew everyday :)
23:19.48JeffM2501one for shots
23:19.55JeffM2501one for world collions
23:20.00JeffM2501and I forget what one is what
23:20.04JeffM2501maybe the world is the sphere
23:20.07spldartYeah... I've noticed that in game play
23:22.00spldartIIRC it seems that shot collision is tighter in on the front... if that makes sense :-/
23:22.12JeffM2501it's probably the bbox then
23:22.28JeffM2501the model change I did, only replaces the calls when drawing the tanks
23:22.42JeffM2501as far as the game is concerned, it's all the same as it used to be
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23:26.45Winny~brlcad++
23:29.52L4m3r~karma brlcad
23:29.52ibotbrlcad has karma of 1
23:29.54L4m3r:P
23:30.00L4m3r~learner++
23:32.04SlynderdaleWinny: Supybot?
23:33.18Winny~learner++
23:35.45JeffM2501ibot is not a supybot, but an infobot/blootbot
23:40.59SlynderdaleJeffM2501: Ah I see. I'm helping out with the development of a bot halled Phergie. Making a general purpose BZFlag plugin for it to aminster the BZFlag server via an irc channel, get a list of whose playing, show when someone logs on or off the server, ect.
23:41.40JeffM2501cool
23:41.42JeffM2501it a supy?
23:42.08SlynderdaleJeffM2501: Nah, custom bot made from scratch.
23:42.21JeffM2501in what language?
23:43.07SlynderdaleJeffM2501: PHP ;p http://www.phergie.org Only uses about 1 meg of memory when running.
23:43.36JeffM2501fun
23:44.00tannerldSlynderdale: sounds nifty - anyway to keep in the know about the ongoings of the project?
23:45.07Slynderdaletannerld: Check the website or join #phergie
23:47.57JeffM2501ackk.... old icon....
23:48.22SlynderdaleJeffM2501: I like the new BZFlag icons better ;p
23:48.41JeffM2501saturos does do good work
23:48.47JeffM2501tho this may be old then old
23:49.15JeffM2501back in my "arial ultra black" days
23:50.24JeffM2501ewww. bad old grass texture too.. and the ground lines... oh god.. ground LINES!!!
23:51.41JeffM2501heh, and that's when it was GPL too
23:52.02JeffM2501got client and server to build
23:52.14JeffM2501list, relay, and wtransform, I didn't even bother with
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23:54.44Winnyoh.. I need to learn grammer again.. ick: "What is a BZFlag?"
23:55.08spldartI like the new spiralzone variant on fairserve.bzflag.org:5221
23:56.04spldartYour still working on 1.7?
23:56.09spldartIf so why?
23:57.01Winnyneed to fix all the bugs before we move to 3.0 ;)
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