| 00:04.25 | F687s | *boom* |
| 00:04.39 | Winny | Naa, it was only ChanServ |
| 00:04.46 | Winny | I hear he grows back |
| 00:05.13 | F687s | *a small assortment of minor explosions occur at random locations on the channel* |
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| 00:21.48 | SpazzyMcGee | http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/6100/tankshirt32yi4.jpg |
| 00:21.49 | SpazzyMcGee | http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/7092/tankshirt322cs1.jpg |
| 00:21.56 | SpazzyMcGee | one or the other |
| 00:22.58 | Winny | But satu is going to kill us both anyways :) |
| 00:23.09 | SpazzyMcGee | indeed he will |
| 00:23.46 | Constitution | ~SpazzyMcGee++ |
| 00:26.28 | SpazzyMcGee | I'm going to bed, I'll submit the proper one tomorrow, as a transparent PNG. |
| 00:26.32 | Winny | night |
| 00:27.40 | Winny | JeffM: do you want anti-aliasing, or? |
| 00:27.56 | Winny | Doesn't it need to be turned into an SVN for the silkscreen-maker? |
| 00:28.03 | Winny | err, SVG |
| 00:33.11 | JeffM | it will need to be seperated |
| 00:33.36 | Winny | by color? |
| 00:34.17 | donny_baker | yeah, silk screen is one color at a time |
| 00:34.23 | Winny | k |
| 00:34.50 | donny_baker | they put a scrren over the shirt with a stencil and lay the color down |
| 00:35.02 | Winny | I know, I've seen how it's made :p |
| 00:35.25 | Winny | (which is a really awesome show) |
| 00:35.52 | JeffM | Winny, it is both |
| 00:36.02 | JeffM | vector art is preferable |
| 00:36.13 | JeffM | but if not, then high res, no aliasing |
| 00:36.21 | Winny | 1000x1200 good? |
| 00:36.23 | Winny | or higher? |
| 00:36.32 | JeffM | higher is better |
| 00:39.07 | JeffM | and again, vector is better then that |
| 00:41.34 | Winny | Why no antialiasing? Does it interperate the line from the slope of the edges of the pixels? |
| 00:41.50 | JeffM | because AA means blending colors |
| 00:42.11 | JeffM | and it has to be seperated into a black and white mask per color |
| 00:42.25 | JeffM | it's going to be printed into to film |
| 00:42.49 | JeffM | then that film will be used expose a screen (mesh) that has a photographic emulsion on it |
| 00:43.23 | Winny | ahh |
| 00:43.50 | Winny | When I saw it on TV, they used some sort of software to change the bitmap image to a vextor image and then did the screen from that |
| 00:43.59 | JeffM | yes |
| 00:44.01 | JeffM | vectors do better |
| 00:44.13 | JeffM | streamline can do the conversion |
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| 00:45.06 | Naveedbzflag | hello! is there anyone that can help me plz? |
| 00:45.46 | Naveedbzflag | hello?????is there anyone here? |
| 00:45.52 | JeffM | dude chil |
| 00:45.54 | JeffM | what do you need? |
| 00:46.01 | Naveedbzflag | remember me? |
| 00:46.04 | JeffM | yes |
| 00:46.06 | Naveedbzflag | yeah |
| 00:46.09 | Naveedbzflag | srry |
| 00:46.17 | Winny | Just have some patience |
| 00:46.19 | Naveedbzflag | I had bad internet connection for like 2 hours |
| 00:46.23 | JeffM | ok |
| 00:46.24 | JeffM | so? |
| 00:46.25 | Naveedbzflag | But i waited for a week |
| 00:46.29 | JeffM | ok |
| 00:46.30 | JeffM | so? |
| 00:46.31 | Naveedbzflag | for his answer |
| 00:46.40 | Naveedbzflag | well can u guys contact him? |
| 00:46.40 | JeffM | we do not run the server |
| 00:46.43 | JeffM | no |
| 00:46.49 | JeffM | the ban is between you and the server owner |
| 00:46.57 | Naveedbzflag | well he doesnt respond |
| 00:46.57 | JeffM | you can contact the server owner |
| 00:47.04 | JeffM | donny_backer |
| 00:47.06 | Naveedbzflag | well how do i find that out |
| 00:47.07 | JeffM | backer |
| 00:47.22 | Naveedbzflag | hes the server ownser of 05.bztank.net:5158? |
| 00:47.22 | JeffM | well we linked you the site but you quit |
| 00:47.26 | JeffM | donny_baker is the server owner |
| 00:47.36 | JeffM | you can send him a PM on the fourms |
| 00:47.38 | Naveedbzflag | how did i quit? |
| 00:47.38 | JeffM | then wait |
| 00:47.49 | JeffM | if they do not choose to respond, then you can not do anything else |
| 00:48.05 | JeffM | you go play elsewhere |
| 00:48.20 | Naveedbzflag | ok so his Callname is Donny_backer? |
| 00:48.28 | Naveedbzflag | i just type that in the pm? |
| 00:48.36 | JeffM | donny_baker |
| 00:48.39 | JeffM | yes |
| 00:48.42 | JeffM | then you wait |
| 00:48.47 | JeffM | or play elsewhere |
| 00:48.50 | JeffM | it's very simple |
| 00:48.53 | Naveedbzflag | ok..srry to bother u guys...i just wanted some help |
| 00:49.00 | JeffM | how old are you? |
| 00:49.04 | Naveedbzflag | im 15] |
| 00:49.11 | JeffM | you need to calm down |
| 00:49.12 | Naveedbzflag | y? |
| 00:49.15 | JeffM | we have over 200 servers |
| 00:49.24 | JeffM | betting banned from one is not the end of the world |
| 00:49.30 | Naveedbzflag | lol...is there anything similar to 05.bztank.net |
| 00:49.32 | F687s | (25 of which are populated at any given time ;-) |
| 00:49.38 | JeffM | go look and see |
| 00:49.45 | Naveedbzflag | lol /.....time time time |
| 00:49.47 | Naveedbzflag | :) |
| 00:49.49 | JeffM | you need to do the legwork yourelf |
| 00:49.59 | Naveedbzflag | yeah but thanks for helping me though |
| 00:50.04 | JeffM | sure |
| 00:50.06 | JeffM | good luck with it |
| 00:50.15 | Naveedbzflag | Boy am i gonna need that |
| 00:50.22 | Naveedbzflag | ok l8r |
| 00:50.23 | JeffM | doubtfull |
| 00:50.31 | JeffM | you just need to calm down and act mature. |
| 00:50.37 | Naveedbzflag | well srry |
| 00:50.43 | Naveedbzflag | sometimes i overreact |
| 00:50.47 | Naveedbzflag | ik |
| 00:50.50 | JeffM | you don't say |
| 00:50.59 | Naveedbzflag | ok...now who needs to chill |
| 00:51.00 | JeffM | it also helps to type in proper english |
| 00:51.04 | Naveedbzflag | hehe |
| 00:52.12 | Winny | He's serious.. if I have someone come to me about a ban, I will take them *much* more seriously if they type properly. |
| 00:52.39 | Naveedbzflag | lol wat is that supposed to mean> |
| 00:52.41 | Naveedbzflag | lol wat is that supposed to mean>? |
| 00:53.09 | Winny | Most server owners are akin to believe people who act mature |
| 00:53.10 | JeffM | it means that you do not look like someone who is being serious when you type like that. |
| 00:53.14 | Winny | Typing is part of that |
| 00:53.31 | Naveedbzflag | Oh i see |
| 00:53.37 | Naveedbzflag | ok thanks for the tip! |
| 00:53.39 | Ebert | i tink he typs ok doods |
| 00:53.42 | JeffM | sure |
| 00:53.46 | Naveedbzflag | lol |
| 00:54.43 | Think_Differentl | you can make a better impression, it's sort of like if you were applying for a job. you would not type your resume in fractured english or "IM speak" |
| 00:55.08 | Naveedbzflag | wait a minute...you can see what i am typing to him? |
| 00:55.23 | Winny | Nope |
| 00:55.26 | Naveedbzflag | oh |
| 00:55.27 | JeffM | no, we are just guessing based on your past performance |
| 00:55.30 | Winny | We're just gussing from how you type in here |
| 00:55.37 | Naveedbzflag | i see |
| 00:56.29 | Winny | blah |
| 00:56.35 | Naveedbzflag | hehe |
| 00:56.43 | Naveedbzflag | what server do you guys own? |
| 00:56.44 | Winny | You've given me your superb spelling abilities, JeffM ;) |
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| 00:56.54 | JeffM | indeed |
| 00:57.06 | JeffM | Naveedbzflag, this is the channel for the project, not for specific servers |
| 00:57.13 | Naveedbzflag | oh i see |
| 00:57.16 | Winny | Most servers have their own channels |
| 00:57.39 | Naveedbzflag | ok...sorry again....im sort of new to these things...(as you can see) |
| 00:57.53 | Winny | :) |
| 00:58.22 | Ebert | plus you are around a bunch of smarties |
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| 00:59.15 | Ebert | they're tart and round, like the candy |
| 00:59.17 | Winny | Ebert: haha, funny man |
| 01:00.03 | Winny | I'm not sure if that's an insult or a complement |
| 01:00.19 | Ebert | nah, its all good |
| 01:00.42 | Winny | hmm |
| 01:00.55 | Winny | I can't decide if I should put stroke on the "BZFlag" text |
| 01:01.08 | Ebert | stroke? |
| 01:01.36 | Ebert | font style? |
| 01:02.04 | Winny | the "line" that you see on the outside of text/whatever sometimes |
| 01:05.10 | donny_baker | JeffM: the server owner is benfish... i am part of norang :) not that it matters |
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| 01:05.44 | JeffM | ahh you were on the page |
| 01:05.54 | Winny | "Donny_backer" :P |
| 01:06.06 | Winny | "dunny_backer!" |
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| 01:06.46 | Naveedbzflag | WHew! im done typing |
| 01:06.55 | Naveedbzflag | I hope he gives me a chance! |
| 01:06.59 | Ebert | heh, ironicness |
| 01:07.07 | Naveedbzflag | lol...yeah |
| 01:07.10 | JeffM | Naveedbzflag, send it to benfish |
| 01:07.18 | Naveedbzflag | LOL...now you tell me |
| 01:07.23 | Naveedbzflag | ok thank you |
| 01:07.27 | Winny | JeffM: any changes to the CGI:IRC config? It's showing the IP, and not the hostname now... |
| 01:07.53 | JeffM | dunno |
| 01:08.14 | Winny | Hopefully another domain isn't about to expire ;) |
| 01:08.29 | donny_baker | Naveedbzflag: he is in the UK so you won't hear anything from him till at least tomorrow |
| 01:09.08 | blast007 | Winny: it resolves here |
| 01:09.21 | Winny | blast007: "(n=4c5d8bae@66.111.56.50) has joined #bzflag" |
| 01:09.23 | blast007 | (ip to host) |
| 01:09.29 | Winny | usually it shows the hostname |
| 01:11.24 | Think_Differentl | I was wondering, do you guys think that intel integrated X3100 graphics could get a decent frame rate for bzflag? |
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| 01:11.35 | Naveedbzflag | Nope |
| 01:11.36 | Winny | hmm, odd. |
| 01:11.48 | Naveedbzflag | try ATI all in wonder |
| 01:12.01 | Think_Differentl | Naveedbzflag, can't, it's a laptop. |
| 01:12.08 | Winny | Think_Differentl, that's what is is in the Macbook, rght? |
| 01:12.27 | Think_Differentl | Winny, I think so...there's this nice Penryn based laptop that I'm attracted to. |
| 01:12.52 | Winny | Think_Differentl, I could play on rat's nest at ~25 FPS on the macbook's card |
| 01:13.35 | Think_Differentl | yeah, the newest macbooks use the X3100 |
| 01:13.41 | Winny | JeffM: http://bzfusion.net/bzflag/shirts/Concept2_large.png |
| 01:14.05 | Think_Differentl | (the ones that came with leopard) |
| 01:19.00 | Naveedbzflag | goodbye people and thanks for your advice! |
| 01:19.06 | Winny | cya |
| 01:29.13 | CBG | I was playing bz on my G4 iBook over 30FPS... What have they done to the MBs? |
| 01:30.41 | Winny | CBG: I was playing on this: http://mybzflag.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/bzfi1118.jpg .. which I made to basically see how many textures I could fit into a map |
| 01:30.59 | CBG | ah, ok |
| 01:31.17 | CBG | I would have dropped to about 20 I guess, on that. |
| 01:31.23 | Naveedbzflag | lol im using a G4 ibook too.... |
| 01:31.31 | Naveedbzflag | (random) |
| 01:31.37 | CBG | (pointless) |
| 01:31.41 | Naveedbzflag | i know |
| 01:31.44 | JeffM | eww stiple, is stencil any faster |
| 01:31.46 | CBG | (good) |
| 01:31.53 | Naveedbzflag | lol |
| 01:32.05 | JeffM | Naveedbzflag, you can stop with the lol now |
| 01:32.13 | Naveedbzflag | ok... |
| 01:34.01 | blast007 | guess that's the only way he can stop |
| 01:34.07 | Winny | hehe |
| 01:36.21 | Ebert | winny the shirt tank looks a little narrow imo |
| 01:36.46 | Ebert | i like the bold colors tho |
| 01:37.40 | blast007 | I should make a t-shirt design too! |
| 01:38.35 | Ebert | i'll nit pick your shirt also blast007 :) |
| 01:40.15 | Winny | Ebert: http://bzfusion.net/bzflag/shirts/logo_onshirt.jpg |
| 01:40.39 | Winny | I suppose it could be a bit wider |
| 01:41.55 | Ebert | hm, yea still looks the same. it may be the shadows of it tho. Maybe try making the treads a little narrower if the tank's wide enough |
| 01:42.01 | blast007 | http://static.bzexcess.com/tshirt.png |
| 01:42.26 | Ebert | thats a collage blast :p |
| 01:43.01 | blast007 | no, it's a nightmare |
| 01:43.04 | Winny | blast007: Ill take two! |
| 01:43.05 | blast007 | and now you're in it |
| 01:43.08 | blast007 | ;) |
| 01:44.08 | Winny | mm, Mega Builders is on in a bit |
| 01:44.10 | Winny | bbl |
| 01:50.41 | spldart | I have to choose between Big Brother or a new ep of Universe each week! The Agony! |
| 01:53.45 | Think_Differentl | I think mine is better than blast007's: http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/201/busyflagck2.png |
| 01:54.52 | JeffM | no sir.. that one we will sell as a fine art print |
| 01:54.58 | JeffM | 72x48 |
| 01:57.50 | spldart | Nice T_D |
| 01:58.23 | spldart | Blast... You show talent as well :) |
| 01:59.50 | blast007 | I knew these MSPaint skills would come in handy someday! |
| 02:00.33 | Think_Differentl | I didn't use MSPaint...I used my graphing calculator! :D |
| 02:00.49 | JeffM | I would totaly print those on baby clothes |
| 02:01.31 | Think_Differentl | heh, busyflag.org isn't taken, I wonder how many people have tried to go to busyflag.org instead of bzflag.org |
| 02:02.19 | spldart | LOL |
| 02:12.39 | Winny | haha |
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| 02:27.19 | Ebert | grr, can't figure out why my soundfile won't work as a replacement |
| 02:27.46 | Ebert | can someone take a look at the sound file i've made compared to original? |
| 02:30.27 | Ebert | I have tried to compare the two, so far i've seen the files are: 32bit float wav's, mono, 44100hz sample rate |
| 02:32.09 | Ebert | oh, the sample rate changes with some of these |
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| 03:35.55 | blast007 | Ebert: yeah, BZFlag's .wav loader is picky |
| 03:36.33 | blast007 | it doesn't resample the audio, so at different sample rates, the audio plays at the wrong speed |
| 03:36.55 | Ebert | hm blast007 do you know how to not make it discriminate |
| 03:37.12 | Ebert | well, the strange thing is, different sounds have different rates in the resource files |
| 03:38.00 | Ebert | i even tried shortening an original file, saving it, and putting it back in. doesn't work |
| 03:39.26 | JeffM | what format is it in? |
| 03:40.54 | Ebert | same format |
| 03:41.23 | JeffM | 22, mono, 16 bit? |
| 03:42.02 | Ebert | no, 32 bit |
| 03:42.17 | JeffM | that would not be the same format ;) |
| 03:42.37 | Ebert | :p thought that was the right one |
| 03:42.47 | JeffM | check an existing file |
| 03:42.58 | short_circuit | You must keep the sample rate the same |
| 03:43.09 | Ebert | yeah, thought i was, lemme try |
| 03:43.15 | short_circuit | properties, summary tab |
| 03:43.19 | short_circuit | if windows |
| 03:43.32 | JeffM | if the bit depth is wrong, it'll be crap too |
| 03:44.11 | blast007 | hmm, the spree*.png files are 48khz |
| 03:44.54 | JeffM | yeah they are bad |
| 03:44.57 | JeffM | and should be removed |
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| 03:48.47 | Ebert | sweet! works thanks a lot |
| 03:48.59 | Ebert | i was convinced it was 32bit |
| 03:52.35 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16732 10/trunk/bzflag/data/ (spree1.wav spree2.wav spree3.wav spree4.wav): |
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| 03:59.49 | JeffM | 32 bit per channel is very rare |
| 04:01.41 | Ebert | how can the sample rates be different for different sounds btw? |
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| 04:02.26 | Ebert | some are 22050hz, some are 44100 hz (in resource files) |
| 04:03.35 | JeffM | the 44's will not play right |
| 04:03.52 | JeffM | but bit depth is NOT the same thing data rate |
| 04:06.31 | andresj | is the server list working? |
| 04:06.41 | JeffM | Ebert: the 44's were bad ones |
| 04:06.49 | JeffM | they have been removed |
| 04:12.09 | blast007 | andresj: working here |
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| 05:16.26 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/files/TanksInARow_small.png |
| 05:17.44 | Winny | not antialiased :P |
| 05:17.54 | JeffM | it's a small size sample |
| 05:18.02 | JeffM | I'd do it in vector art for a final |
| 05:18.19 | JeffM | the origonal is 300 DPI ;) |
| 05:18.40 | JeffM | and the final can't have the background color |
| 05:23.05 | JeffM | it's very rough |
| 05:24.02 | JeffM | I need to get the star trek font too |
| 05:24.15 | Winny | :/ |
| 05:24.24 | JeffM | what things don't you like about it? |
| 05:24.31 | JeffM | some constructive crit would be good |
| 05:24.52 | Winny | It seems to imply that it's some 2d duck shooting game |
| 05:25.00 | JeffM | that woudl be the joke ;) |
| 05:25.38 | Winny | heh |
| 05:26.54 | JeffM | well then the only way to convey the game would be a wireframe tank I would think |
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| 05:28.52 | JeffM | a fair statement |
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| 05:29.59 | L4m3r | at least make it funny |
| 05:30.12 | L4m3r | "Where Genocide is FUN" |
| 05:30.19 | JeffM | ohh god |
| 05:30.26 | L4m3r | tho that could be seen as tasteless by some :P |
| 05:30.33 | KTL | process1 | process2 and process2 segfaults. how can i run gdb on process2 and still keep on piping? |
| 05:30.38 | JeffM | yeah, the prudes! |
| 05:30.43 | L4m3r | lol |
| 05:31.21 | L4m3r | KTL, you can attach gdb to a running process |
| 05:31.30 | L4m3r | but you'd still have to rerun process2 |
| 05:31.32 | KTL | then i got to be fast mmm |
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| 05:35.26 | KTL | i got the feeling that it intercepts all other communication with that program |
| 05:37.57 | KTL | got the bt:) |
| 05:42.12 | JeffM | what do you mean? |
| 05:42.26 | Winny | I liked the one that's in the store right now |
| 05:42.33 | JeffM | oh |
| 05:42.39 | JeffM | I may |
| 05:42.43 | JeffM | I'm trying a variation now |
| 05:50.03 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/files/wireTankArcThingy.png |
| 05:50.42 | Winny | What's with the BG? |
| 05:51.01 | JeffM | that is one of the shirt colors I liked |
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| 05:51.12 | JeffM | so I made a texture the same colors |
| 05:51.18 | JeffM | just to see how it would go |
| 05:51.23 | Winny | ah |
| 05:51.30 | JeffM | just fast layout stuff |
| 05:53.11 | L4m3r | JeffM: that is awesome |
| 05:53.27 | JeffM | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:53.52 | JeffM | I don't like it that much but it's a layout that seems more stable |
| 05:54.18 | JeffM | I'm taking out some of the wireframes on the barrel and stuff |
| 05:54.59 | L4m3r | some AA wouldn't hurt |
| 05:55.04 | JeffM | can't |
| 05:55.10 | L4m3r | :\ |
| 05:55.12 | JeffM | the final would be vector art |
| 05:55.22 | JeffM | shirts can't blend colors |
| 05:55.26 | JeffM | and AA is a color blend |
| 05:56.21 | KTL | oew sexy tshirt |
| 05:56.35 | JeffM | Winny: it can |
| 05:56.51 | Winny | \o/ |
| 05:57.03 | JeffM | all you can do is draw over them |
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| 06:12.18 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/files/logothingy%20copy.png |
| 06:13.07 | Winny | overdoes the wireframe too much, I think |
| 06:13.14 | JeffM | yeah |
| 06:19.05 | JeffM | I don't dislike the tank sticking out of the circle part tho |
| 06:31.49 | Winny | hmm |
| 06:32.00 | Winny | this is gonna be a like it or hate it |
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| 08:55.37 | Constitution | hi dj |
| 08:55.55 | daniel_jackson | hey |
| 08:56.26 | daniel_jackson | I saw divi got to the first page today! |
| 08:56.46 | Constitution | cool |
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| 16:00.13 | the_lone_tanker | hm |
| 16:00.48 | donny_baker | can we help you? |
| 16:01.10 | the_lone_tanker | a cop said my mouth is dirty |
| 16:01.24 | the_lone_tanker | do yall think so 2? |
| 16:01.35 | donny_baker | ok... can't help with that, you have control over it |
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| 16:03.09 | donny_baker | and cops are a server owner issue, this is the developers channel |
| 16:03.35 | donny_baker | we have no control over the servers (although many server owners hang out here) |
| 16:04.19 | the_lone_tanker | a cop said my mouth is dirty |
| 16:04.33 | [dmp] | goto 10 |
| 16:05.02 | donny_baker | the_lone_tanker: you said that already, please don't spam the channel |
| 16:08.20 | the_lone_tanker | i think my mouth is so full of bullshit jeff said its over flowing |
| 16:08.51 | donny_baker | watch you language please |
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| 16:16.15 | donny_baker | o |
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| 16:18.03 | Naveedbzflag | Hey people |
| 16:18.10 | Winny | hi |
| 16:21.14 | Naveedbzflag | . |
| 16:21.26 | Winny | Can we help you? |
| 16:21.38 | Naveedbzflag | Oh nothing i was just talking to donny_baker |
| 16:21.44 | Winny | :) |
| 16:21.48 | Naveedbzflag | But thanks for the offer |
| 16:23.05 | Naveedbzflag | Oh Winny quick question...do you make money out of this? it's like since you are on almost 24/7 i was wondering if this is your job |
| 16:23.12 | Winny | haha, no |
| 16:23.18 | Winny | I am no March break :) |
| 16:23.22 | Winny | on* |
| 16:23.31 | Naveedbzflag | oh i see....so you go to school |
| 16:23.38 | Naveedbzflag | ? |
| 16:23.46 | Winny | That's the plan |
| 16:24.15 | Naveedbzflag | ha |
| 16:24.33 | Naveedbzflag | Im still in high school and i bet your in collage? |
| 16:24.59 | Winny | nope |
| 16:25.02 | JeffM | I bet you are wrong |
| 16:25.14 | Naveedbzflag | HA! so your in high school |
| 16:25.21 | Naveedbzflag | or middle school |
| 16:25.22 | Naveedbzflag | ? |
| 16:25.23 | JeffM | many people are |
| 16:25.43 | Naveedbzflag | lol...sorry its just im bord and im at school now im like 13 |
| 16:25.53 | Winny | heh |
| 16:26.03 | JeffM | like 13? or less then 13? |
| 16:26.25 | Naveedbzflag | oh no im 13 |
| 16:26.35 | Naveedbzflag | turning 14 next month! :) |
| 16:26.47 | JeffM | perhaps you should pay attention to your studies |
| 16:27.52 | Winny | JeffM: http://bzfusion.net/bzflag/shirts/NewStripe.png |
| 16:28.00 | Naveedbzflag | I see |
| 16:28.07 | Naveedbzflag | OK thank you donny_bkaer |
| 16:28.09 | JeffM | Winny, meh |
| 16:28.11 | Naveedbzflag | Baker* |
| 16:28.39 | JeffM | Winny, it's mostly the color pallet, that is 'meh' to me |
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| 16:28.40 | donny_baker | JeffM: Have to say I like http://www.opencombat.net/files/logothingy%20copy.png |
| 16:28.46 | linuxboy | X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) |
| 16:28.51 | linuxboy | I can't play bzflag :( |
| 16:28.52 | linuxboy | any ideas ? |
| 16:28.58 | JeffM | linuxboy, what video card do you have? |
| 16:29.10 | JeffM | donny_baker, I'm not sold on that particular wireframe |
| 16:29.23 | donny_baker | i like the concept though |
| 16:29.28 | linuxboy | JeffM: nvidia |
| 16:29.40 | JeffM | donny_baker, yeah I think the idea could be refined a lot |
| 16:29.46 | JeffM | linuxboy, and what drivers? |
| 16:29.49 | JeffM | nv or nvidia? |
| 16:29.54 | linuxboy | nvidia |
| 16:29.56 | linuxboy | ubuntu gutsy |
| 16:30.06 | donny_baker | JeffM: kind of says where we were and where were at now :) |
| 16:30.06 | JeffM | so you installed them from nvidia's site? |
| 16:30.13 | linuxboy | JeffM: no, the packaged files |
| 16:30.23 | JeffM | linuxboy, the non free ones? |
| 16:30.26 | linuxboy | ii nvidia-glx-new 100.14.19+2.6.22.4-14.10 NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver |
| 16:30.26 | JeffM | or the free ones? |
| 16:30.29 | linuxboy | ja |
| 16:30.30 | linuxboy | non-free |
| 16:30.34 | linuxboy | as in 'nvidia' |
| 16:30.43 | JeffM | well you can see if you can update from the site, as they may have newer ones |
| 16:30.47 | spldart | Like deb.. nonefree pre pack |
| 16:30.48 | JeffM | or you can also try to run in a window |
| 16:30.52 | linuxboy | JeffM: is the the problem ? |
| 16:31.00 | linuxboy | JeffM: how do I run it in a window ? |
| 16:31.00 | JeffM | with bzflag -window -geometry 800x600 |
| 16:31.11 | JeffM | linuxboy, the error is from X |
| 16:31.18 | Naveedbzflag | Which ones better ATI or Nvidea |
| 16:31.27 | JeffM | and most lilkely ether a GL setting or the setting for the screen res |
| 16:31.28 | spldart | silly question |
| 16:31.29 | Naveedbzflag | Nvidia* |
| 16:31.30 | linuxboy | JeffM: thats fine from now, thanks |
| 16:31.41 | JeffM | Naveedbzflag, dopends on what you mean by better? |
| 16:31.50 | JeffM | for linux drivers, generaly nvidia |
| 16:31.50 | Naveedbzflag | maybe better performace |
| 16:31.55 | Naveedbzflag | than quality |
| 16:32.00 | JeffM | then it depends on the card |
| 16:32.13 | Naveedbzflag | ok....do you have any recommendations? |
| 16:32.18 | Naveedbzflag | for a mac |
| 16:32.24 | Naveedbzflag | or |
| 16:32.27 | Naveedbzflag | i mean |
| 16:32.27 | Naveedbzflag | i meanpc |
| 16:32.28 | spldart | Nvidia has been easier for me to set up on linux lately. Ati longevity has dropped a bit these last few years <an observation of mine> |
| 16:32.51 | linuxboy | JeffM: thanks, I'll use windowed mode until the next ubuntu |
| 16:32.52 | JeffM | Naveedbzflag, all depends on how much money you want to spend and what OS you plan on running |
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| 16:33.30 | spldart | On windows I've been having issues with nvidia's drivers and ati has been more easy and troublefree to setup |
| 16:33.43 | JeffM | it ebbs and flows ;) |
| 16:33.56 | Naveedbzflag | Well which OS will you guys run.... Linux, Mac, Or PC (you chose and i'll do it.. you guys are the experts |
| 16:33.56 | spldart | In particular nvidia's directdraw has been @ issue |
| 16:33.59 | JeffM | hence why it all depends on your needs and money |
| 16:34.10 | spldart | Dual boot! |
| 16:34.11 | spldart | hehe |
| 16:34.17 | JeffM | Naveedbzflag, mac is a brand of computers that only runs OSX. |
| 16:34.31 | JeffM | PC is a type of comptuer that runs linux, windows, or any number of other OSs |
| 16:34.42 | donny_baker | Naveedbzflag: many of us run several different setups |
| 16:34.52 | Naveedbzflag | I know but it can also run Windows using bootcamp and you can use a hack to run other OS's |
| 16:34.52 | JeffM | you do not have enough background knowledge to make an intelegent query. |
| 16:34.58 | spldart | If your serious Naveedbzlag I recommend a linux/windows dual boot.. I'm getting all my kids familiar with both cuz I think it's good to be adaptable |
| 16:35.06 | Winny | JeffM: well, you *can* run OS X on a PC ;) |
| 16:35.07 | JeffM | yes, windows, linux, and other OSs can also run on macs |
| 16:35.11 | JeffM | Winny, not legaly |
| 16:35.18 | Winny | meh |
| 16:35.29 | JeffM | we do not discuss illegal things here ;) |
| 16:35.31 | Naveedbzflag | Well i'm going to try Linuz |
| 16:35.38 | Naveedbzflag | linux |
| 16:35.40 | JeffM | Naveedbzflag, I don't think he'll like that |
| 16:35.49 | donny_baker | is that linux for sleepy people ;) |
| 16:35.57 | JeffM | Naveedbzflag, how much computer knowledge do you have? |
| 16:35.58 | Naveedbzflag | Well anyway, thanks for you time and thought to this |
| 16:36.11 | Naveedbzflag | Allot |
| 16:36.11 | JeffM | and are your parents ok with you bricking the computer? |
| 16:36.15 | Naveedbzflag | Yeah |
| 16:36.18 | Naveedbzflag | they dont care |
| 16:36.33 | JeffM | perhaps they should |
| 16:36.55 | Winny | JeffM: what colors would you reccomend? I'm rather fond of them |
| 16:37.12 | JeffM | the red and the background don't mesh well with me |
| 16:37.24 | Winny | hm |
| 16:37.34 | JeffM | have you ever taken a color and design course? |
| 16:37.48 | Winny | Nope, they don't offer those here |
| 16:37.55 | JeffM | do you know what a color wheel is? |
| 16:38.21 | Winny | yep |
| 16:38.50 | Naveedbzflag | Since i have my own computer and i buy them with my money they dont care and i always have a backup plan |
| 16:38.58 | Naveedbzflag | just in case and i build my own computers |
| 16:39.02 | Naveedbzflag | (pc only) |
| 16:39.16 | JeffM | Naveedbzflag, well you can't build a mac, so that makes sense ;) |
| 16:39.29 | Naveedbzflag | Yeah thats why i said (pc only) |
| 16:39.47 | Naveedbzflag | thats why i tweak stuff sometimes if i should say |
| 16:39.58 | JeffM | uhhhh huhhh. |
| 16:40.19 | Naveedbzflag | :) |
| 16:42.01 | JeffM | Winny, it needs something a lot more then just some stripes |
| 16:43.43 | Naveedbzflag | So what are you guys working on? |
| 16:43.49 | JeffM | t-shirts |
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| 16:44.15 | Naveedbzflag | lol...really? |
| 16:44.35 | Naveedbzflag | where are you going to sell it? |
| 16:44.36 | JeffM | why would I lie to you? |
| 16:44.40 | JeffM | on the bzflag store |
| 16:44.43 | donny_baker | yes, the CDs are already done |
| 16:44.53 | JeffM | I even printed donny_baker's CD last night |
| 16:44.56 | JeffM | and it will ship today |
| 16:45.03 | donny_baker | :) |
| 16:45.11 | JeffM | you get the new imporved full disk label |
| 16:45.13 | Naveedbzflag | Wow i didnt know there was a bzflag store |
| 16:45.22 | Naveedbzflag | can you please send me a direct link? |
| 16:45.24 | JeffM | that fact does not suprise me |
| 16:45.27 | JeffM | store.bzflag.bz |
| 16:45.33 | Naveedbzflag | thank you |
| 16:45.56 | JeffM | blast007, where are your shirt designs? I want to show saturos :) |
| 16:46.08 | JeffM | for some reason I find yours and TD hilarious |
| 16:46.13 | Winny | you got satu's design? :D |
| 16:46.16 | JeffM | no |
| 16:46.19 | Winny | aww |
| 16:46.21 | JeffM | we are simply discussing the process |
| 16:46.31 | JeffM | he is very professional in his discussions |
| 16:46.38 | JeffM | I love working with him :) |
| 16:47.07 | Winny | heh |
| 16:47.11 | JeffM | in the end I hope we end up with a composite design that incorporates elemtns from all our work |
| 16:47.17 | JeffM | that would be awsom! |
| 16:47.18 | Naveedbzflag | Im just about to purchase a CD |
| 16:47.22 | Naveedbzflag | So im helping! |
| 16:47.29 | JeffM | you have 10$? |
| 16:47.35 | Naveedbzflag | Yup |
| 16:47.38 | JeffM | wow |
| 16:47.39 | Naveedbzflag | Im not poor |
| 16:47.54 | JeffM | good thing I printed 2 disks |
| 16:47.59 | Naveedbzflag | i have like $5,000 in my bank account |
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| 16:48.16 | Naveedbzflag | i saved for a loooooooong time |
| 16:48.21 | Winny | heh |
| 16:48.38 | Naveedbzflag | Well i hope my money can help you guys out! |
| 16:48.40 | JeffM | Winny, we checked out the hoodie size, we can fit one shirt and a hoodie into a single flat rate box |
| 16:48.47 | Winny | yay |
| 16:48.59 | JeffM | so I think that's like 15 bucks |
| 16:49.05 | JeffM | or something |
| 16:49.10 | Naveedbzflag | that is so cheap |
| 16:49.18 | Naveedbzflag | you guys give good prices |
| 16:49.24 | JeffM | well the hoodie will cost 27 |
| 16:49.28 | JeffM | I have to fix the shirt prices |
| 16:49.31 | JeffM | they are going down |
| 16:49.33 | Winny | that's not bad |
| 16:49.40 | JeffM | we dont' want to gouge people |
| 16:49.49 | Naveedbzflag | im going to tell all my friends about this and everyone of them will buy at least 1 thing. |
| 16:49.55 | Winny | heh |
| 16:49.55 | JeffM | I just want to make sure that we have some margin to break even |
| 16:50.09 | JeffM | shirts will be 13 |
| 16:50.17 | JeffM | 14 XXL and XXXL |
| 16:50.19 | Naveedbzflag | Even better! |
| 16:50.20 | Naveedbzflag | ha |
| 16:50.29 | Naveedbzflag | any medium? |
| 16:50.32 | Naveedbzflag | or large |
| 16:50.40 | Naveedbzflag | are they adult? |
| 16:50.41 | JeffM | all the sizes are listed on the site |
| 16:50.45 | Naveedbzflag | ok |
| 16:51.22 | Naveedbzflag | Well the school bell rang...i will talk to you guys later when i get home...great talking to you guys again and good luck! |
| 16:51.40 | Epyon | Will successful GSoCers get a t-shirt for free? :P |
| 16:51.54 | Winny | Epyon: no, you get a box full of textures :P |
| 16:52.12 | Epyon | TP did that and it was a nice touch. |
| 16:52.22 | Winny | ow |
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| 16:52.33 | Epyon | Winny, nothing personal :P |
| 16:52.38 | JeffM | Epyon, you'll at least get one from google, and maybe one from us |
| 16:52.41 | Epyon | DTRemenak :) |
| 16:52.44 | JeffM | I'd say probably |
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| 16:54.01 | Erroneous | Epyon: howdy |
| 16:54.28 | Epyon | All fine, as far sanity goes :P |
| 16:57.12 | spldart | Hrm.... A bzflag wardrobe would be nice |
| 16:57.23 | Winny | o.O |
| 16:57.55 | JeffM | spldart, if they sell well enough we can do runs with multiple designs |
| 16:58.08 | JeffM | each run could be "limted edition" |
| 16:58.15 | JeffM | hah, w should version the shirts |
| 16:58.22 | Epyon | spldart, don't forget about BZFlag G-strings |
| 16:58.37 | JeffM | under the URL, v1.0.1_release_cloth |
| 16:59.32 | Epyon | JeffM, you definitively need a monochrome design too :) |
| 16:59.33 | JeffM | Epyon, sadly those are available, I can add one to the order if you would like. You'd have to pre-pay for it. |
| 16:59.50 | Winny | oh did brlcad order some? |
| 16:59.56 | JeffM | Epyon, that is why I'd prefer a 2 color design |
| 17:00.04 | JeffM | easer to drop out to mono |
| 17:00.05 | Epyon | I know they are, at least at cafepress :P |
| 17:00.18 | JeffM | Epyon, there is a list of stuff that we can print on |
| 17:00.27 | JeffM | anything from the impritables cat. |
| 17:00.46 | Epyon | I know, I was considering using cafepress too. |
| 17:01.07 | spldart | Ok.. Wrong.... my boss walked in on me just after I typed that and someone starts talking gstrings 8-0 |
| 17:01.19 | Winny | nice work |
| 17:01.22 | spldart | and of course I got xchat set to beep on my name |
| 17:03.01 | spldart | Well. Fortunately I kept his attention on the microcomputer problem I'm troubleshooting on this Harmon Kardon receiver |
| 17:04.22 | JeffM | Epyon, we are not using cafepress |
| 17:04.27 | JeffM | they do CRAP prints |
| 17:04.43 | Epyon | JeffM, what are you using then? |
| 17:05.02 | spldart | behind the boathouse, I'll show you my dark secret /singsong |
| 17:05.20 | JeffM | Epyon, I am having them professionaly printed |
| 17:05.25 | JeffM | and we will sell them directly |
| 17:05.29 | JeffM | not on demand |
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| 17:05.41 | Epyon | Wow :D |
| 17:05.47 | JeffM | if it was the on demand stuff we would not have a color limit |
| 17:05.56 | JeffM | since they do a compute print transfer deal |
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| 17:12.13 | Winny | :o |
| 17:13.29 | Winny | bz related? |
| 17:13.35 | JeffM | no |
| 17:18.50 | JeffM | he does prints for web comics, that's how I found him |
| 17:20.51 | JeffM | when I found out what other comics he did, I found that I own like 10 shirts that he's printed for various people |
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| 17:41.54 | JeffM | reason #153 why staturos will be a great graphic designer, http://saturos.de/s/ZZ2EDDBA62.png |
| 17:42.59 | whodaman | JeffM, :) |
| 17:45.02 | Pimpi_ | hey, that'd be great as tatoo |
| 17:45.32 | Pimpi_ | would require a pretty goot tatoo artist though... |
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| 17:51.13 | JeffM | and some hohos to tatoo a GAME name on your body ;) |
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| 17:52.38 | Erroneous | JeffM: more reliable than a girlfriend's name at least! :) |
| 17:52.57 | Winny | JeffM: isn't that antialiased? |
| 17:53.16 | donny_baker | hate to say it... but the first thing I saw when I looked at Satu's work was BZFag |
| 17:54.08 | JeffM | Winny, at that res yes |
| 17:54.24 | JeffM | at the input res, it would not be |
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| 17:54.51 | JeffM | donny_baker, he's just testing fonts |
| 17:54.55 | donny_baker | ah, ok |
| 18:00.17 | JeffM | he said he didn't like the star trek font |
| 18:00.25 | JeffM | I know Erroneous will be crestfallen |
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| 18:00.33 | Erroneous | heh |
| 18:01.06 | Erroneous | I'm less picky about fonts than you are |
| 18:01.38 | JeffM | heh |
| 18:01.52 | JeffM | there could be charm in finding a less futuristic font |
| 18:03.30 | Winny | Myriad Pro ;) |
| 18:03.51 | JeffM | sample? |
| 18:04.14 | Winny | It's what I used for the "BZFlag.org" text on the website-template header |
| 18:04.21 | Winny | more of a webish font |
| 18:04.39 | JeffM | do a high contrast black on white sample |
| 18:04.42 | Winny | Photoshop's Stencil isn't bad, either |
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| 18:41.05 | Winny | Never gonna give you up, Never gonna let you down, never gonna run around and, desert you! |
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| 19:08.26 | Winny | mm, toasty |
| 19:08.35 | Winny | ~spldart++ |
| 19:08.44 | spldart | Winny's bzflag hoody gets scorched |
| 19:08.47 | spldart | hehe |
| 19:12.14 | spldart | Gah. Transferring 34.3 gig across the lan with scp takes a bit LOL |
| 19:12.37 | spldart | Hrm... bzflag shirt with tank chunks flying through the air and and the logo in the center? |
| 19:12.39 | spldart | hehe |
| 19:13.07 | a_meteorite | spldart: Quizno's. Mmmm crunchy! |
| 19:13.13 | spldart | lol |
| 19:13.22 | spldart | I just had a ham sammich :( |
| 19:13.38 | Winny | mm |
| 19:13.39 | spldart | I'm saving money for a computer parts order |
| 19:13.39 | Winny | samich |
| 19:14.19 | spldart | mmMMmm seafood gumbo leftovers for dinner |
| 19:14.48 | Winny | :( |
| 19:14.57 | Winny | Can I live at your house? :p |
| 19:15.25 | spldart | I have to many kids already hehe |
| 19:15.31 | Winny | aww |
| 19:15.44 | spldart | :) |
| 19:15.55 | Winny | I bet none of them are as intelectually incompetent as me, though! |
| 19:15.58 | Winny | err, competent |
| 19:16.01 | Winny | ...wonderfuk |
| 19:16.08 | Winny | :/ |
| 19:16.19 | spldart | Highest IQ in the bunch is a touch over 140 |
| 19:16.31 | Winny | :) |
| 19:16.32 | spldart | Which is a couple points better than me |
| 19:16.38 | spldart | couple/few anyway |
| 19:17.21 | Winny | hehe |
| 19:29.32 | Winny | Big brother is watching YOU! |
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| 20:19.07 | Winny | donny_baker's letter bo.. I mean CD? |
| 20:19.32 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:19.51 | JeffM | he got to be the shipping label test subject :) |
| 20:20.01 | JeffM | and ma do these labels suck :) |
| 20:20.05 | JeffM | man |
| 20:20.54 | Winny | hehe |
| 20:21.55 | JeffM | good thing I purchased other labels so I don't have to use the ones we got free |
| 20:22.48 | AHA | heh, only one XXL in stock :p |
| 20:22.54 | AHA | *XXXL |
| 20:23.01 | Winny | heh |
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| 20:23.02 | JeffM | oh I have to turn that off |
| 20:23.08 | JeffM | I was testing shipping options |
| 20:23.10 | JeffM | we have 0 in stock |
| 20:23.33 | Winny | JeffM: ooh ooh |
| 20:23.34 | Winny | idea |
| 20:23.38 | JeffM | I was trying to use it to compute the shipping for the hoodies |
| 20:23.58 | Winny | You should print out TD's t-shirt design on some paper and tape it inside the box |
| 20:24.04 | Winny | or wrap the shirt in it |
| 20:24.07 | JeffM | heh |
| 20:24.38 | JeffM | I could print it on the back of the invoice I send with the shipment |
| 20:24.47 | Winny | :) |
| 20:24.51 | blast007 | hehe |
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| 20:27.11 | Winny | Yay, I am now the proud owner of busyflag.org |
| 20:29.08 | F687s | One step forward for people describing the game to another with their own voice! |
| 20:29.31 | F687s | What are you gonna do with it? |
| 20:29.45 | Winny | no idea |
| 20:29.53 | Winny | it's only 6$ a year :P |
| 20:30.08 | F687s | "Yeah, I buy domains just for the heck of it. I don't need them..." |
| 20:30.31 | Winny | ;) |
| 20:30.40 | blast007 | it's gonna be a phishing site |
| 20:30.59 | Winny | Ill probably use it for the bzflag.org drupal test site for now |
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| 20:48.38 | SpazzyMcGee | JeffM, mine is done. There are two versions of text: http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/7092/tankshirt322cs1.jpg |
| 20:48.43 | SpazzyMcGee | http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/6100/tankshirt32yi4.jpg |
| 20:48.56 | SpazzyMcGee | which is better? |
| 20:49.44 | JeffM | yeah I prefer the larger |
| 20:50.44 | SpazzyMcGee | Cool. You want a transparent PNG? |
| 20:50.44 | Winny | oi.. googling "BZFlag" doesn't even take you to the main page |
| 20:51.09 | JeffM | it still looks like you have aliignmnet issues |
| 20:51.19 | JeffM | and that res isn't great |
| 20:51.33 | JeffM | and I'm not totaly sold on the design yet |
| 20:51.40 | JeffM | but it's not bad to keep around |
| 20:52.07 | SpazzyMcGee | Actually, it wouldn't be too hard to redo at a huge dpi |
| 20:52.50 | SpazzyMcGee | Give me 20 mins, I have the icons as a vector image. |
| 20:53.29 | SpazzyMcGee | What sort of resolution would you like? |
| 20:53.44 | JeffM | the entire thing should be vector if it can be |
| 20:53.54 | JeffM | but don't break your back |
| 20:54.03 | JeffM | I ain't printing shirts just this moment |
| 20:54.24 | SpazzyMcGee | I don't have anything else to do for an hour |
| 20:54.30 | JeffM | heh |
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| 20:55.20 | SpazzyMcGee | Gah, the only computer I have that has Illustrator is on a business trip to New York. |
| 20:55.23 | L4m3r | is there an option for a zip-up hoody? |
| 20:55.51 | JeffM | maybe |
| 20:56.28 | L4m3r | if only I could draw :) |
| 20:56.43 | JeffM | http://www.imprintablecatalog.com/catalog/search/?category=B&mill=42&style=18600 |
| 20:56.58 | JeffM | can probably do some of those |
| 20:57.04 | JeffM | you'd have to pre-pay tho |
| 20:57.06 | Winny | does it come with the chick? |
| 20:57.21 | JeffM | yah... class |
| 20:57.26 | JeffM | get some ;) |
| 20:57.44 | JeffM | your results may vary on getting her with it. |
| 20:57.57 | Winny | ;) |
| 20:57.57 | JeffM | L4m3r, they would probaby be the same proce |
| 20:58.00 | JeffM | price |
| 20:58.10 | L4m3r | nice |
| 20:58.27 | JeffM | but it's 50/50 not 80/20 |
| 20:58.53 | L4m3r | huh? what do you mean? |
| 20:59.08 | JeffM | 50% cotton 50% polyester |
| 20:59.17 | JeffM | not 80% cotton 20% polyester |
| 20:59.23 | L4m3r | hm... |
| 20:59.29 | L4m3r | probably not a big deal |
| 20:59.43 | JeffM | some people don't like poly |
| 20:59.52 | JeffM | also I've never seen the zipped one |
| 21:00.06 | JeffM | I have seen both the shirt, and the hoodie that I've priced out |
| 21:00.12 | JeffM | so there may be some risk in it |
| 21:00.26 | JeffM | but if you are willing to prepay, I'll order it |
| 21:00.31 | Winny | JeffM: http://bzfusion.net/bzflag/shirts/Concept2.psd ... In the rare case you pick mine, there's the PSD, 2200x2600. |
| 21:01.01 | L4m3r | worth a shot, I guess. my other hoodies are 80/20, but I don't think it will matter that much |
| 21:01.14 | L4m3r | I am curious about printing over the zipper though |
| 21:01.31 | JeffM | the plan is to put the design on the back |
| 21:01.36 | L4m3r | ah |
| 21:01.39 | L4m3r | nice :) |
| 21:01.49 | Winny | on all of them, or just the hoodies? |
| 21:01.50 | JeffM | cus yeah, zipper, pocket, etc |
| 21:01.53 | JeffM | all of them |
| 21:02.08 | Winny | how would it cost to put a small logo on the front? |
| 21:02.12 | JeffM | the shirts will have the URL on the front, ether small over the breast pocket area |
| 21:02.19 | JeffM | you didn't let me finish ;) |
| 21:02.23 | Winny | hehe |
| 21:02.25 | JeffM | or across the front |
| 21:02.28 | Winny | took the words out of my mouth |
| 21:02.30 | Epyon | Sounds cool :) |
| 21:02.30 | JeffM | that's worked into the price |
| 21:03.19 | L4m3r | well, I can prepay but give me a few days' notice so I can get the money into paypal |
| 21:03.35 | JeffM | L4m3r, there will be many days notice ;) |
| 21:03.41 | JeffM | and posts on the fourms |
| 21:03.43 | JeffM | and here, etc.. |
| 21:04.00 | JeffM | and you are close enough where i could go beat the money out of you ;) |
| 21:04.24 | L4m3r | :P |
| 21:04.39 | Winny | just get chillin to beat him up |
| 21:05.15 | JeffM | would you want it shipped? or come get it? |
| 21:05.24 | L4m3r | shipping would be easier |
| 21:05.33 | L4m3r | I don't have a car handy :\ |
| 21:05.50 | L4m3r | and my sister wrecked hers, so I might not ever get mine back |
| 21:05.54 | JeffM | ok, then figure on like 10 ish more to ship it |
| 21:05.59 | JeffM | since we have to put them in a box |
| 21:06.01 | L4m3r | mmk |
| 21:06.18 | JeffM | tho I'll see if I can get that down to 5 |
| 21:06.27 | JeffM | first class may be viable for you since you are close |
| 21:06.27 | L4m3r | it'd probably cost that much in gas to pick it up, so no big deal |
| 21:07.52 | Erroneous | but you'd get to see us in the process :P |
| 21:08.28 | JeffM | there we go, pages for both hoodies on the site |
| 21:08.28 | L4m3r | heh, true :P |
| 21:08.42 | L4m3r | is there a sizing chart someplace? |
| 21:08.47 | JeffM | hmm |
| 21:08.50 | JeffM | I'll have to search |
| 21:09.17 | JeffM | I had to dig big time for the one I got for the shirts |
| 21:09.49 | JeffM | http://popshouse.logodogs.com/productdisplay.asp?productID=350 |
| 21:10.03 | JeffM | then hit the "view size chart for GILD-18600" link |
| 21:11.45 | Epyon | LOL, I got http://popshouse.logodogs.com/ipbanned.asp when I pressed that link D: |
| 21:11.57 | JeffM | sucks to be you :) |
| 21:12.01 | AHA | The green logo ontop of a green shirt doesnt look that great |
| 21:12.14 | JeffM | AHA, I know, it's just a sample I busted out |
| 21:12.19 | AHA | ok |
| 21:12.29 | JeffM | hence the big old "out of stock" on em |
| 21:12.35 | AHA | if the logo background was the same color, it would be fine |
| 21:12.36 | AHA | :p |
| 21:12.53 | JeffM | that was a 1 min photoshop job |
| 21:13.17 | JeffM | I'll have the images updated to the real colors and designs that we will have once we have said real colors and designs ;) |
| 21:13.42 | L4m3r | hm... looks like XL should work |
| 21:14.18 | L4m3r | I just measured my recently-deceased hoody (which I intend to replace) and it's actually a bit smaller than the dimensions listed :P |
| 21:14.44 | AHA | the washing machine probably did that |
| 21:14.53 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 21:15.59 | Epyon | My GF would :P |
| 21:16.35 | JeffM | hmmm that site does have a slightly better deal on the shirts, but a way worse deal on the hoodies, and they won't let us mix |
| 21:16.53 | L4m3r | my GF will gladly steal my hoody, not sure if she'd want her own tshirt though :P |
| 21:17.08 | JeffM | L4m3r, have her fill out the size poll on the fourms |
| 21:17.17 | L4m3r | heh, ok |
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| 21:17.57 | JeffM | or we can maybe swing a babydoll shirt or two if that's more her style |
| 21:18.24 | L4m3r | I think she'd be fine with a mens' shirt in the right size |
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| 21:18.29 | L4m3r | she's kinda buff for an asian chick |
| 21:18.30 | JeffM | k |
| 21:21.29 | JeffM | I do know we are doing one american apperal "sheer" tee for the burlycad |
| 21:21.54 | brlcad | woot |
| 21:21.56 | Winny | send him a moomoo instead |
| 21:22.04 | L4m3r | heh |
| 21:22.13 | L4m3r | AA tees are nice, but they're also small |
| 21:22.18 | JeffM | yeah |
| 21:22.20 | L4m3r | I have to order them XXL :\ |
| 21:22.31 | JeffM | that's why I picked gildan, they seem to fit 'normal' |
| 21:22.48 | L4m3r | wearing one now :P |
| 21:23.05 | jftsang | on my map (testing at jftsang.servegame.com:5154) how can I make the Rapid Fire bullets go further around the circle? |
| 21:23.07 | JeffM | I have a bunch of shirts from webcomics and they are all the gildan ones. |
| 21:23.19 | L4m3r | nice |
| 21:23.29 | jftsang | I set _rFireAdVel, which makes it go faster, but not further |
| 21:23.41 | JeffM | brlcad, store shiped it's first item today :) |
| 21:24.05 | L4m3r | are you telling him to get a plane ticket? :P |
| 21:24.13 | JeffM | heh |
| 21:24.22 | brlcad | JeffM: cool |
| 21:24.43 | brlcad | shipped a cd or ..? |
| 21:24.48 | JeffM | yeah a CD |
| 21:24.57 | JeffM | found out the labels I got for free suck |
| 21:26.11 | jftsang | _rFireAdLife does not seem to have any effect whatsoever |
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| 21:40.09 | JeffM | jftsang, did you check and see where it is used in the code? |
| 21:40.27 | brlcad | the prof. at Indiana U. is willing/interested in mentoring |
| 21:40.38 | JeffM | cool |
| 21:40.41 | JeffM | so that'd be #6 |
| 21:40.42 | jftsang | JeffM, it's under options |
| 21:40.47 | brlcad | yeah |
| 21:40.57 | JeffM | jftsang, that isn't what I asked ;) |
| 21:41.16 | brlcad | if we get six |
| 21:41.16 | jftsang | erm... I don't understand you? |
| 21:41.17 | Winny | brlcad: gnu-sense? |
| 21:41.27 | JeffM | we mey |
| 21:41.29 | JeffM | may |
| 21:41.29 | brlcad | Winny: que? |
| 21:41.37 | Winny | I believe that's the name he plays under |
| 21:41.46 | brlcad | beats me what he plays as |
| 21:42.08 | brlcad | he's professor john paolillo |
| 21:42.21 | Winny | yep, that's him :) |
| 21:42.28 | JeffM | he runs the AI course right? |
| 21:42.40 | brlcad | no, he's the guy that did the social network analysis |
| 21:42.45 | JeffM | ahh ok |
| 21:42.52 | JeffM | too many professors |
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| 21:42.58 | jftsang | http://pastebin.com/da1787a0 if you want to see the code |
| 21:43.00 | JeffM | what kind of project would he want to mentor? |
| 21:43.03 | brlcad | hooked into the league logs and made some really wierd graphs |
| 21:43.13 | brlcad | :) |
| 21:43.23 | JeffM | jftsang, that is the map, not the code |
| 21:43.27 | JeffM | that just sets a var |
| 21:43.39 | JeffM | look at the bz source code to see what USES that variable name |
| 21:43.41 | L4m3r | who are the other mentors, currently? |
| 21:44.04 | JeffM | L4m3r, http://tanks4code.blogspot.com |
| 21:44.06 | JeffM | that has the list |
| 21:44.08 | jftsang | oh... what uses the _rFireblahblah |
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| 21:44.18 | JeffM | jftsang, yeah |
| 21:44.35 | JeffM | IIRC it's used by the rapid fire flag |
| 21:44.52 | jftsang | my world weapons are using F |
| 21:44.52 | Epyon | I love this one : "Be nice to the Google staff. Under no circumstances should you address them using slang terms for reproductive organs. It does not work. Trust us on this." |
| 21:45.02 | L4m3r | oh my lord... hahaha |
| 21:45.02 | JeffM | it has hapend |
| 21:45.17 | Epyon | lol :D |
| 21:45.21 | L4m3r | yeah, that is awfully specific isn't it? :) |
| 21:45.31 | brlcad | he was thinking of a real-time network analysis system where (i presume at this point) some software would watch the list server activity and find relationship patterns -- so that it could then recommend friends or teams (friend-finder, team-finder) |
| 21:45.36 | brlcad | at least that's one idea, there are others |
| 21:45.45 | JeffM | brlcad, that sounds neat |
| 21:46.01 | brlcad | the department he's in deals with social interactions, so it would undoubtedly have a major social angle |
| 21:46.21 | JeffM | are those ideas being added to the list |
| 21:46.30 | JeffM | so that kiddies know to sugest social type things |
| 21:46.38 | brlcad | i'm going to have him write up a couple so they can be added |
| 21:46.44 | JeffM | cool |
| 21:46.54 | Constitution | brlcad: "word out again regarding out (anticipated) participation" s/out/our/ |
| 21:47.02 | Constitution | flyer post |
| 21:47.19 | brlcad | huh? |
| 21:47.22 | brlcad | getting the word out |
| 21:47.27 | Constitution | on the blog |
| 21:47.28 | L4m3r | second out :) |
| 21:47.38 | Winny | "In order to get the word out again regarding out" |
| 21:48.01 | brlcad | ah |
| 21:48.02 | Epyon | "Chain your trolls, clean up your noobs, polish your topics, and for the love of god people, do not go all freaky when a girl shows up, she's probably smarter then you." ROTFL |
| 21:48.15 | Winny | hha |
| 21:48.26 | brlcad | you expect me to fix it or something? |
| 21:48.43 | Constitution | I've done my part, you can do yours or not as you please ;) |
| 21:48.52 | brlcad | fine! |
| 21:49.04 | brlcad | fixed. |
| 21:49.13 | Winny | hehe |
| 21:49.16 | JeffM | aww now you made him mad |
| 21:49.17 | Constitution | thank you, most generous and dedicated sir |
| 21:49.24 | JeffM | you have to fix a bug in 3.0 to appease him |
| 21:49.26 | Constitution | uh-oh |
| 21:49.43 | Epyon | I love the style in which the mentor post is written :D |
| 21:50.35 | JeffM | heh |
| 21:50.37 | brlcad | he can write teh funny |
| 21:51.04 | Epyon | Yeah, that was what shocked me xP |
| 21:51.25 | Winny | JeffM: You're the grumpy young man this time? ;) |
| 21:51.37 | JeffM | sadly I ain't young |
| 21:53.16 | Constitution | young at heart? :) |
| 21:53.41 | JeffM | probably not even that ether |
| 21:53.53 | L4m3r | JeffM, you're not old until you trade in your bike for a Harley |
| 21:54.01 | L4m3r | ;) |
| 21:54.22 | Winny | hehe |
| 21:54.31 | Epyon | hmm, if there'd be a fixed scheme for generator plugins, one could add plugin generator support for BZWB... |
| 21:54.34 | JeffM | I'm not a big fan of the chopper type |
| 21:54.43 | L4m3r | Constitution: my own mother has told me that I should go out and get drunk/stoned to lighten up a bit. |
| 21:54.52 | JeffM | Epyon, Erroneous is going to do that |
| 21:54.58 | Epyon | Great :D |
| 21:55.00 | JeffM | it just needs a single API call to set the stream |
| 21:55.03 | JeffM | the rest is there |
| 21:55.08 | JeffM | you can do it now with a temp file |
| 21:55.13 | JeffM | he'll get rid of the file |
| 21:55.43 | Epyon | BTW, how you'd handle plugin map generators that take parameters? |
| 21:56.01 | L4m3r | plug-ins take arguments |
| 21:56.05 | Erroneous | an input file |
| 21:56.05 | JeffM | plugins can take paramters in the loadplugin call, or read them from bzdb |
| 21:56.11 | JeffM | or load a file |
| 21:56.14 | JeffM | there are many ways |
| 21:56.16 | Epyon | I c. |
| 21:56.22 | L4m3r | usually if there are more than 3 or 4 params it just uses a config file |
| 21:56.37 | JeffM | -loadplugin myplugin,this,is,some,paramaters |
| 21:56.42 | Epyon | Then BZWB should provide a way to change those ... |
| 21:56.58 | JeffM | you can also get the map file that was used with -world |
| 21:57.02 | brlcad | L4m3r: and here I thought that was what you already do most of the day ;) |
| 21:57.03 | JeffM | and if that is a script or a file, use that |
| 21:57.10 | brlcad | (drunk/stoned) |
| 21:57.17 | Epyon | In a GUI way. That would be wired. |
| 21:57.27 | Erroneous | Epyon: bzwb plugins can use dialogs |
| 21:57.34 | L4m3r | brlcad: no, that's just what UCLA engineering does to me :D |
| 21:57.39 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:57.57 | Epyon | Erroneous, What I've ment is sharing plugins between both... |
| 21:58.22 | Erroneous | Epyon: yes...different entry points |
| 21:58.42 | Constitution | JeffM: we're discouraging people with part-time jobs from applying? |
| 21:58.51 | Epyon | Sooo, a BZFS plugin can be BZWB friendly? |
| 21:58.56 | Erroneous | Epyon: yes |
| 21:59.07 | JeffM | Constitution, well... it will come into consideration |
| 21:59.09 | Epyon | Makes sense |
| 21:59.22 | JeffM | the applicants will have to show that they can meet the schedule |
| 21:59.49 | Erroneous | Constitution: students should expect gsoc to be equivalent to a full-time job. if you think you can hold a part-time job and a full-time one at the same time, that's fine, just be expecting it |
| 21:59.52 | JeffM | yeah the SOC itself should be treated as a job of some kind |
| 21:59.54 | Epyon | Or rather fulltime if behind schedule -_- |
| 22:00.13 | L4m3r | yeah, I'd say it's a good thing to discourage |
| 22:00.18 | JeffM | yeah it's not always easy to ballance sadly |
| 22:00.30 | JeffM | but we all live and learn :) |
| 22:00.40 | Erroneous | it's not necessarily as demanding as a full-time job, but it can easily become that |
| 22:00.42 | L4m3r | too bad I don't have a big brother, damnit :P |
| 22:00.45 | Epyon | Summer is summer -- you should have some free time too, so GSoC is enough work imho |
| 22:01.03 | Epyon | Erroneous, when one is behind schedule :P |
| 22:01.25 | L4m3r | I'd love to have not worked, and just done gsoc work full-time, but that would have left me without a place to live :\ |
| 22:01.28 | Erroneous | or has unexpected changes or whatever |
| 22:01.55 | Erroneous | but it really is supposed to be close to full-time to begin with |
| 22:02.24 | Constitution | yeah I doubt that many students with part-time jobs can afford to quit them to do a summer project |
| 22:02.30 | Epyon | B33r, code, b33r, code... |
| 22:02.33 | Constitution | but we have to do what we have to do, I guess |
| 22:02.37 | Epyon | = fulltime |
| 22:02.50 | Constitution | ~12*40*10 |
| 22:02.50 | ibot | 4800 |
| 22:03.28 | Constitution | mm, guess it's fair compensation for a full-time occupation, then :) |
| 22:03.33 | Erroneous | yes |
| 22:03.53 | Erroneous | comparable to most other jobs students come up with at least |
| 22:04.08 | L4m3r | especially for summer work |
| 22:04.17 | L4m3r | not a bad schedule either :) |
| 22:04.20 | Epyon | In Poland it's equal to a decent fulltime job :P |
| 22:04.30 | Erroneous | and you get to contribute to open source, and build your resume, and set your own schedules |
| 22:04.40 | Constitution | and work from home |
| 22:04.44 | Erroneous | it's a pretty cool deal for a summer job all things considered |
| 22:04.45 | Constitution | or wherever |
| 22:05.19 | L4m3r | my job is crappy and sometimes menial, but when you get a place to stay for the entire summer for ~$700 it's a pretty good setup in the financial sense |
| 22:05.58 | L4m3r | around here, if I found a job that paid twice as much, I'd probably lose most of the difference to rent :( |
| 22:06.07 | Constitution | still, it's possible... jude- had a part-time job iirc, and he averaged like 400 sloc a day |
| 22:06.16 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 22:06.23 | L4m3r | it's far from impossible :) |
| 22:06.25 | Erroneous | Constitution: sure, it's possible - people go to school full time while holding part time jobs too |
| 22:06.48 | L4m3r | that gets annoying sometimes as well |
| 22:06.49 | Erroneous | but they should be expecting soc to fill that full-time slot |
| 22:06.58 | Erroneous | not just "fit in the gaps" or whatever |
| 22:07.08 | L4m3r | but being a full-time student doesn't necessarily consume 40 hours a week... unless you commute to school perhaps |
| 22:07.18 | Erroneous | L4m3r: then your school is too easy :P |
| 22:07.36 | L4m3r | well, there's out-of-class work obviously |
| 22:07.41 | Erroneous | yeah |
| 22:07.50 | L4m3r | but if you work smart, that can be minimized :P |
| 22:08.02 | Erroneous | again, depends on your courses |
| 22:08.15 | L4m3r | true |
| 22:08.19 | L4m3r | and the professors |
| 22:12.27 | L4m3r | heh, this quarter I'm taking a class on networking... the professor is so awful that roughly 1/4 of the class shows up for lecture. |
| 22:12.46 | L4m3r | last week he started taking attendance and giving extra credit to the people who show up |
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| 22:16.26 | Epyon | Heh, that's a way :P |
| 22:16.52 | Epyon | But personally I used another way -- I took attendance, but I said it was only for "statistical reasons" :P |
| 22:17.41 | Epyon | However it worked -- out of the 4 people that skipped the lecture, 3 started coming again :P |
| 22:18.14 | L4m3r | heh |
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| 22:18.32 | L4m3r | I actually kind of like classes where most of the people don't go... makes for a less-crowded room. |
| 22:18.36 | Epyon | Guess the Imperial adage still works "Fear of power works better than power itself" :P |
| 22:19.13 | Epyon | Well, but I wanted all people to pass, and I knew that if they wouldn't attend, they wouldn't get the neccessary skill level. |
| 22:19.43 | Epyon | Students are inherently lazy bums, even against their good will. |
| 22:20.01 | Constitution | L4m3r: showing up for class when no one else does makes me feel like quite the superior student ;) |
| 22:20.15 | L4m3r | heh |
| 22:20.16 | Epyon | Constitution, and not a nerd? :P |
| 22:20.49 | Constitution | not really |
| 22:21.00 | Constitution | although these are all liberal arts classes |
| 22:21.39 | Epyon | Be back later, I'm gonna take a shower. |
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| 22:35.25 | brlcad | you know, there is one social interaction project that has been "on the todo" for years |
| 22:35.41 | Erroneous | karma! |
| 22:35.46 | brlcad | :) bingo |
| 22:35.55 | Erroneous | think tim'd mentor it? :) |
| 22:36.25 | brlcad | he'd probably want it, but the point would be to put john on it |
| 22:37.19 | whodaman- | Ok, if this guy 'Naveedbzflag' come yelling for me again tell him to contact "Benfish" |
| 22:37.20 | brlcad | it's right up his area of research, I'll mention it and see if he bites |
| 22:37.28 | JeffM | whodaman-, we did |
| 22:37.36 | whodaman- | Thank you |
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| 22:49.49 | donny_baker | JeffM: nice follow up e-mails from the store |
| 22:50.20 | JeffM | that was all prety much automatic |
| 22:50.47 | JeffM | we did a stress test of the CD packaging last night |
| 22:51.00 | JeffM | basicly as long as they dont' hit it with a hammer, it should be ok ;) |
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| 23:31.48 | JeffM | ouch.. if someone wants to order an international hoodie, that's going to hurt in shipping :( |
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| 23:32.34 | JeffM | L4m3r, I'll be 8.95 to send you your hoodie, it just won't fit in the smaller box :( |
| 23:32.38 | JeffM | we tried |
| 23:33.10 | brlcad | need to get one of those things that suck the air out of other things |
| 23:33.23 | brlcad | then i bet it'd fit |
| 23:33.42 | JeffM | it's a VERY small box |
| 23:33.45 | JeffM | for 5$ |
| 23:34.05 | JeffM | we can fit tshirts in the 5$ envelope |
| 23:34.08 | brlcad | yeah, but there's really not much to a shirt, even a hoodie when they're fully compressed ;) |
| 23:34.09 | JeffM | maybe even 2 |
| 23:34.20 | JeffM | you want to buy one for us? |
| 23:34.21 | brlcad | it'd have to be a good sucker |
| 23:34.23 | JeffM | ;) |
| 23:34.37 | brlcad | i used to have one, but I think I messed with it too much |
| 23:34.40 | JeffM | and hope it dosn't break the seal as it shiped |
| 23:34.43 | brlcad | broke it |
| 23:34.45 | JeffM | "POOF" shirt |
| 23:34.47 | brlcad | hehe |
| 23:37.18 | JeffM | sadly it's like 35.15 for the same box international :( |
| 23:37.27 | brlcad | ouch |
| 23:37.30 | JeffM | yeah |
| 23:38.04 | JeffM | where the envelope for the t-shirt is only 10.50 |
| 23:38.52 | JeffM | I also have to do a customs form for the boxes |
| 23:38.56 | JeffM | but not the envelope |
| 23:39.17 | JeffM | also canada and mexico get a break, 9$ |
| 23:39.30 | JeffM | all we need is a design now |
| 23:39.52 | Erroneous | mmm, design |
| 23:40.34 | JeffM | we do have nice hoodie pre-order pages tho, with my hack to work around limitaitons of the cart software. |
| 23:41.36 | JeffM | it sucks that I have to lie to the software so it won't try to shove too much into a box :( |
| 23:42.02 | JeffM | I doubt I could fit 4lbs of CDs into a priority envelope :) |
