| 00:00.06 | JeffM | but the point I was trying to make was more generic, that the specific task (whatever it may be) is not as important to an application, as the rest of the application |
| 00:00.39 | JeffM | sure I personaly may weight some tasks more important then others, but the rest of the applicaiton is much more important |
| 00:00.55 | JeffM | I mean look at last eyar |
| 00:01.25 | Epyon | Last year, all the GSoC projects were peripherals |
| 00:01.26 | JeffM | we bumped off a propsal to do a lot of good network changes, for some freak who wanted to make this whackass city generator, and it wasn't even on our IDEA list. |
| 00:01.41 | Epyon | Having nothing to do with the engine itself. |
| 00:01.54 | Epyon | JeffM, you sound like you'd want to strangle me :P |
| 00:02.09 | JeffM | huh? |
| 00:02.17 | JeffM | I'm just illustrating a point |
| 00:02.30 | JeffM | the specific task is not as important as the proposal |
| 00:02.50 | Erroneous | wonders how to illustrate a point; illustrating a plane or a space seems much more straightforward |
| 00:03.00 | Epyon | I know the point. And I agree. Yet for all it's worth, the person might have bailed out after a week like what happened at TP with the webclient project. |
| 00:03.02 | JeffM | so your question of what would be "better" is somewhat moot |
| 00:03.19 | JeffM | Epyon, an infinate number of things could have happened |
| 00:03.20 | Epyon | JeffM, agreed. |
| 00:03.27 | JeffM | that COULD Have happed with tou |
| 00:03.30 | brlcad | JeffM: I saw that more of a publish-subscribe feature down the road -- where you'd subscribe to game events effectively by setting up app callbacks in libgame (and the state would eventually be a loaded module (maybe that's equiv to your libstate)) |
| 00:03.30 | JeffM | you |
| 00:03.33 | Epyon | Nevah :) |
| 00:04.14 | JeffM | brlcad, I see it more of a logic push thing :) |
| 00:04.25 | JeffM | where the state can run by itself just interpolating |
| 00:04.34 | JeffM | then logic or net shove in changes |
| 00:04.47 | Epyon | However, as I browse the core files of the client it just itches me to refactor it :'-( |
| 00:04.58 | Erroneous | Epyon: you're welcome to start now :) |
| 00:05.03 | JeffM | indeed |
| 00:05.09 | Erroneous | we've been working on it for the last four years |
| 00:05.14 | Erroneous | it's better than it was ;) |
| 00:05.15 | brlcad | and neither the task or the proposal is as important as the individual and their capacity to become an integrated new 'core' dev that we can and want to keep around (and that they want to stick around) |
| 00:05.22 | Erroneous | remembers menus.cxx |
| 00:05.32 | Epyon | Erroneous, you bet I would. But it'd be a chaos in the beginning, and I'd have to spend a lot of time talking to you what I can and cannot :) |
| 00:05.42 | JeffM | remembers BZFS.cxx |
| 00:05.56 | Erroneous | bzfs is still around, even if it is a third of the size |
| 00:05.57 | brlcad | there's enough refactored now that the end is actually kinda in sight finally |
| 00:06.15 | Epyon | brlcad, in that case you should shoot off all "returners" |
| 00:06.20 | JeffM | brlcad, you can see it if you turn on your highbeams |
| 00:06.35 | Erroneous | Epyon: we're always here to bug about that sort of thing :) |
| 00:06.41 | Erroneous | and a little chaos is a good thing |
| 00:07.36 | Erroneous | at the moment you'll need to be somewhat more careful than normal (by which I mean thorough in testing) because of the supposed impending release |
| 00:08.05 | Epyon | Let's talk theoretically about bzflag.cxx -- first the nitpicks -- globals are all over the place, they are not commented, not grouped their names don't have much sense at first sight. |
| 00:08.37 | Erroneous | ideally most of those globals would go away, into appropriate classes |
| 00:08.39 | Epyon | In some places there are tabs used for indentation, in others spaces |
| 00:08.43 | JeffM | yes |
| 00:08.46 | Epyon | Erroneous, that's what I'd love to do :P |
| 00:08.47 | JeffM | classes for subsystems |
| 00:08.50 | JeffM | or an app class |
| 00:08.51 | Winny | Epyon, hey, it sounds like you're talking about my programming project :P |
| 00:08.53 | Erroneous | standard indentation is 8/2 mixed |
| 00:08.57 | Epyon | Winny? |
| 00:09.06 | Epyon | Winny, ah :D |
| 00:09.18 | Erroneous | there are places that are 4/4 pure tabbed, that need to be fixed |
| 00:09.23 | Epyon | Erroneous, care to explain that to a noob? :P |
| 00:09.30 | Epyon | What 8/2 is? :) |
| 00:09.30 | JeffM | cut and paste |
| 00:09.35 | Erroneous | 2 spaces is one level of indentation |
| 00:09.38 | Erroneous | 8 spaces is one tab |
| 00:09.43 | JeffM | Epyon, the costing standards you were suposed to use last year ;) |
| 00:09.44 | Erroneous | so one tab is four levels of indentation |
| 00:09.47 | JeffM | coding even |
| 00:09.56 | brlcad | Epyon: with a Game and App class, almost all globals simply turn into data members to those classes |
| 00:10.12 | Epyon | JeffM, I've setup 2 space tabs as spaces AFAIR |
| 00:10.34 | Epyon | brlcad, yes, and bzflag.cxx is almost crying to me to do that. |
| 00:10.45 | brlcad | you can't though |
| 00:10.54 | brlcad | not without refactoring off the gui components |
| 00:10.56 | Epyon | Is there some arcane reason why not? |
| 00:11.16 | Erroneous | try it and see ;) |
| 00:11.22 | brlcad | heh, yeah |
| 00:11.36 | Erroneous | it kinda blows up on you.. we use those globals EVERYWHERE |
| 00:11.57 | brlcad | try just one global even |
| 00:12.02 | brlcad | if you can eliminate it, great |
| 00:12.05 | brlcad | go to the next |
| 00:12.11 | brlcad | see how far you get |
| 00:12.16 | Epyon | I think I could do that. One step at a time. However that would produce a lot of intermediate steps. |
| 00:12.22 | JeffM | you move them bit by bit |
| 00:12.27 | JeffM | it's not hard, just tedious |
| 00:12.37 | Epyon | It's fun :D |
| 00:12.51 | Epyon | Like, y'know unraveling a knot of cables. |
| 00:13.13 | Epyon | And the satisfaction that comes from every freed cord :) |
| 00:13.13 | Constitution | fun for 2-3 months? ;) |
| 00:13.28 | Epyon | spends tooo much time refactoring his own games code |
| 00:13.38 | brlcad | you can't have too many intermediate steps, it's more work on you but benefits everyone else -- and for all gsoc-intensive purposes is pretty much just be a flat out requirement (code complete) |
| 00:13.58 | Epyon | Constitution, that'd be a cable yarn ball :P |
| 00:14.04 | Erroneous | lots of small steps is a good thing |
| 00:14.05 | brlcad | Constitution: we want long-term devs |
| 00:14.08 | JeffM | Epyon, you've got commit access, start now |
| 00:14.09 | brlcad | 2-3 years ;) |
| 00:14.11 | JeffM | little steps |
| 00:14.39 | brlcad | yeah, summer isn't for several months |
| 00:14.41 | JeffM | you can start by breaking up massive functions, or replacing duplicate code |
| 00:14.46 | JeffM | lots of things |
| 00:14.48 | Epyon | JeffM, I'm looking and learning the code right now. |
| 00:14.51 | JeffM | OR.... fix a bug |
| 00:14.52 | brlcad | applications aren't finalized for several weeks iirc |
| 00:15.00 | JeffM | you can learn the code by fixing bugs |
| 00:15.08 | JeffM | fixing bugs is great for your health too |
| 00:15.08 | Epyon | brlcad, but we have one week to submit them |
| 00:15.17 | JeffM | women love a man who can fix a bug |
| 00:15.29 | brlcad | yeah, looks like we have till the 11th to deliberate |
| 00:15.43 | JeffM | "ohh baby.. the way you fixed that bug makes me want you so bad".. |
| 00:15.46 | Epyon | JeffM, don't forget that fixing bugs increases your... arrr.. forget it |
| 00:15.51 | Erroneous | bugfixing is much appreciated. and all the cool people do it! |
| 00:15.58 | JeffM | indeed |
| 00:16.31 | Epyon | brlcad, so should I apply for "Graphics and Audio separation from the client" or "General client code refactor"? :P |
| 00:16.50 | JeffM | Epyon, that is up to you |
| 00:17.01 | Epyon | has 6 days to learn the clients code layout so he can fill the application with meaningfull comments. |
| 00:17.02 | brlcad | yeah, your call, I'm not going to write it for you |
| 00:17.20 | JeffM | if you understand the needs you'll know what to write |
| 00:17.27 | Epyon | Great. That way I have the second app choice finalized. |
| 00:17.32 | brlcad | is more impressed with commits than with comments |
| 00:17.55 | Epyon | brlcad, find me the students who commit before getting accepted :( |
| 00:17.56 | brlcad | though in this context, some level of comments are required of course |
| 00:18.20 | brlcad | there are plenty |
| 00:18.21 | Constitution | brlcad: http://www.ohloh.net/projects/189/contributors/811748833269 ! :) |
| 00:18.51 | Epyon | However considering the fact that I have access, I guess I could jump the gun anyway, if I find something useful. |
| 00:19.00 | brlcad | Constitution: what about it? |
| 00:19.15 | brlcad | tis good stuff |
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| 00:19.57 | Constitution | good :) |
| 00:24.29 | TheRedBaron | ok - how does one load plugins either from in game or via the config file? |
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| 00:26.01 | JeffM | brlcad, what rack is .bz in? |
| 00:26.11 | TheRedBaron | the man pages have no mention of the syntax here |
| 00:26.14 | TheRedBaron | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Plugins#Use |
| 00:26.37 | Constitution | TheRedBaron: bzfs -help |
| 00:27.02 | brlcad | JeffM: don't remember |
| 00:27.13 | JeffM | the controll pannel will tell you |
| 00:27.20 | JeffM | just was curiuous how far away you are |
| 00:27.28 | JeffM | Constitution is like 2 rows back :) |
| 00:28.08 | brlcad | logs in |
| 00:29.14 | brlcad | DC1:Room:06.011.TPA:26 and DC1:Room:06.005.TPA:31 |
| 00:29.22 | brlcad | bz and newbz |
| 00:35.06 | JeffM | 2 rows on the other side :) |
| 00:35.21 | Epyon | Funny. |
| 00:35.33 | Epyon | I open bzflag.cxx |
| 00:35.49 | Epyon | FIRST non-preprocessor statement: |
| 00:35.58 | Epyon | int beginendCount = 0; |
| 00:36.01 | Epyon | Unused :P |
| 00:36.04 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.49 | Epyon | Sure, there was that funny idea in bzfgl.h, but I think there must be a better way than plugging it at the top of the client code :P |
| 00:36.54 | brlcad | so that one is easy |
| 00:36.57 | brlcad | some are trivial |
| 00:37.04 | brlcad | it's the beasties.. |
| 00:37.33 | Epyon | Each journey starts with a single step :) |
| 00:37.47 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16790 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx: you snooze, you lose |
| 00:38.39 | spldart | heh |
| 00:39.04 | brlcad | frequent commits ftw! |
| 00:39.13 | Epyon | I'm not sure if bzfgl.h will not cry for it now -_- |
| 00:40.34 | Epyon | JeffM, I just compiled bzflag before submitting the application! Do I get a cookie? xP |
| 00:42.58 | Winny | ~AAA_Awright++ |
| 00:46.22 | JeffM | Epyon, you mean like the application guidelines say you are suposed to? |
| 00:46.32 | JeffM | don't forget to submit your patch/fix |
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| 00:47.16 | Ride | n/nick Ride- |
| 00:47.21 | Ride | whoops |
| 00:47.28 | JeffM | n disease ;) |
| 00:47.32 | Winny | Ride: real IRC client *cough* |
| 00:47.33 | Winny | runs |
| 00:47.40 | Ride- | i have one |
| 00:47.47 | Ride- | just not on my new laptop yet |
| 00:47.50 | Winny | :) |
| 00:47.52 | JeffM | Winny, private mesage |
| 00:47.56 | JeffM | stays right here |
| 00:48.08 | Winny | JeffM: ? |
| 00:48.14 | Epyon | JeffM, do I need to do it via patches? D: |
| 00:48.20 | JeffM | Epyon, you can commit it |
| 00:48.27 | Ride- | hey guys i have a problem connecting to bzflag though |
| 00:48.36 | Ride- | well actually i can connect |
| 00:48.37 | JeffM | Winny, you made a comment for what he should do, so I did the same to you ;) |
| 00:48.38 | Epyon | Then brlcad robbed me of my first one -_- |
| 00:48.48 | Winny | three can play that game |
| 00:48.51 | Ride- | but it is very slow and i have over 3000 lag |
| 00:48.52 | Erroneous | is sure he can find another |
| 00:49.03 | Winny | Ride-: vista? |
| 00:49.10 | JeffM | Epyon, all the applicants must do it |
| 00:49.13 | Ride- | no i have XP |
| 00:49.28 | Winny | odd |
| 00:49.28 | JeffM | Ride-, hit T what is your frame rate? |
| 00:49.30 | Epyon | JeffM, last year's dont count xP |
| 00:49.32 | JeffM | is it very low? |
| 00:49.34 | JeffM | Epyon, nope |
| 00:49.37 | Ride- | hold on |
| 00:49.41 | Epyon | Darn :P |
| 00:49.44 | JeffM | they were not changes to the core project |
| 00:49.46 | Erroneous | Epyon: you didn't commit anything to mainline bz last year that I recall |
| 00:50.04 | Ride- | i bought a wireless connection card: Belkin N MIMO |
| 00:50.12 | JeffM | Ride-, it's probalby not real lag |
| 00:50.17 | JeffM | it's probalby a very low framerate |
| 00:50.18 | Ride- | i have a super fast connection w/ the internet |
| 00:50.30 | Ride- | so what do i do about that |
| 00:50.33 | JeffM | Hit T |
| 00:50.38 | JeffM | what is your frame rate |
| 00:50.45 | Winny | bets you don't have the correct video card drivers |
| 00:50.47 | Ride- | it said my lag was over 3000.... ok brb ill check |
| 00:51.05 | JeffM | you can get fake lag with a low frame rate |
| 00:51.26 | JeffM | your lag can ether be your frame rate, or your real lag, whatever takes longer |
| 00:51.40 | Epyon | I think... I think I have found the answer finally :] |
| 00:52.03 | JeffM | scientoigy? |
| 00:52.07 | Erroneous | hah! |
| 00:52.12 | Epyon | JeffM, even scarier ^^ |
| 00:52.30 | Erroneous | hugs incredibuild |
| 00:53.14 | Epyon | BTW, is the capitalization of the filenames following some pattern? |
| 00:53.23 | Erroneous | yes, the name of the class |
| 00:53.25 | JeffM | Epyon, check DEVINFO |
| 00:53.27 | JeffM | ;) |
| 00:53.27 | Epyon | (and classes at the same time) |
| 00:53.28 | brlcad | Epyon: that would have been a seriously lame patch :) |
| 00:53.38 | JeffM | brlcad, what was it? |
| 00:53.46 | Ride- | OMG IT'S 0 |
| 00:53.49 | Erroneous | removing an unused global |
| 00:53.55 | JeffM | Ride-, that is what I feared |
| 00:53.56 | brlcad | to be "the one" you'd say "fulfills" the patch requirement at least :) |
| 00:53.59 | JeffM | your frame rate is VERY low |
| 00:54.09 | Ride- | so what do i do |
| 00:54.10 | Epyon | brlcad, you insult my honesty with supposing that I'd try to pullof such a stunt -_- |
| 00:54.12 | brlcad | last commit I just made |
| 00:54.21 | brlcad | Epyon: that's what I'm here for |
| 00:54.25 | JeffM | Ride-, well, has bzflag ever run well on this new laptop? |
| 00:54.35 | brlcad | remember, I get to be the grump |
| 00:54.37 | Ride- | nope |
| 00:54.40 | Ride- | just got it |
| 00:54.44 | Winny | Ride-: run windows update |
| 00:54.47 | Erroneous | woot, grumpy brlcad! |
| 00:54.48 | Ride- | its not new |
| 00:54.49 | Winny | it might suggest some new drivers |
| 00:54.50 | JeffM | Ride-, what video chiset does it have? |
| 00:55.01 | Ride- | how do i look for that |
| 00:55.02 | JeffM | Winny, one step at a time |
| 00:55.14 | Epyon | What I meant is that some of the rules are wierd -- you insist on capitalizing BzMaterial, but not cURLManager :) |
| 00:55.16 | JeffM | Ride-, ask your dad for help, basicly you need newer video drivers |
| 00:55.30 | JeffM | the software that comes with windows won't use your hardware, and draws VERY slow |
| 00:55.38 | Ride- | wait how do i check the video drivers |
| 00:55.47 | Epyon | resource.h is scary :D |
| 00:56.18 | JeffM | Ride-, I'll help oyu in a PM |
| 00:56.40 | Erroneous | Epyon: cURL was named by the cURL people not us :) |
| 00:56.44 | brlcad | Epyon: the cURL folks refer to themselves that way |
| 00:57.00 | brlcad | too slow! damn.. |
| 00:57.05 | Erroneous | muwahaha |
| 00:57.06 | brlcad | is getting old |
| 00:57.16 | brlcad | or i'm lacking caffeine |
| 00:57.26 | brlcad | or both |
| 00:58.21 | spldart | I know the feeling |
| 00:59.48 | Winny | brlcad, you have given me an idea |
| 01:00.06 | Winny | A starbucks with a facelift clinic built in -- perfect for the aging population |
| 01:02.34 | Epyon | Is the lack of Color, Vector, Matrix classes intended? |
| 01:02.51 | JeffM | Epyon, it's old |
| 01:02.53 | JeffM | old code |
| 01:03.16 | Epyon | I understand "don't touch it, it works"? |
| 01:03.20 | JeffM | no |
| 01:03.23 | JeffM | that is not what I said |
| 01:03.27 | JeffM | you asked if it was intended |
| 01:03.47 | JeffM | and I was pointing out that it wasn' realy on the radar when it was writen |
| 01:03.54 | Epyon | So... if I added those classes and started to rewrite the code using them I'd be beaten to death? |
| 01:03.55 | JeffM | you have to remember that bzfag was closed source |
| 01:04.05 | JeffM | so much of the core stuff is simply based on a single developers prefrence |
| 01:04.17 | Epyon | JeffM, shame to admit it, but I didn't know :) |
| 01:04.26 | JeffM | Epyon, no that would be a perfect thing to do |
| 01:04.41 | JeffM | there should be vector math classes in ether tankview or modeltool |
| 01:05.02 | Epyon | JeffM, I'm not so sure, because if you intend to move to a engine eventually -- they have their own classes |
| 01:05.08 | JeffM | a lot of my code uses my own vectormath stuff |
| 01:05.17 | JeffM | Epyon, for drawing they will |
| 01:05.31 | JeffM | but we will sure as heck do our own vector math |
| 01:05.41 | Erroneous | we need to do math on the server too |
| 01:05.44 | JeffM | indeed |
| 01:05.55 | JeffM | and I do not want to use some engines math stuff everywhere |
| 01:06.05 | JeffM | that just gets us back to where we are now. messy code |
| 01:06.27 | JeffM | if/when we have an engine we will make convertion methods to go to and from the engine objects |
| 01:06.29 | Erroneous | and something like color is a nice thing to have abstracted, 'cause we can rewrite it as a wrapper for whatever engine's functionality, without needing to touch a billion places in the code |
| 01:06.35 | JeffM | indeed |
| 01:07.07 | JeffM | Erroneous, tho we have a lot of that abstracted in glMaterial |
| 01:07.26 | JeffM | and I'm sure something in BZ has to use the math and color classes from one of my libs |
| 01:07.44 | Erroneous | math yes |
| 01:07.59 | Epyon | searches for the math files |
| 01:08.03 | JeffM | I have color somewhere |
| 01:08.16 | Erroneous | think we mostly just chuck around glfloats for colors, except for AnsiCodes |
| 01:08.17 | JeffM | gplib should have good ones we can use |
| 01:08.35 | JeffM | Erroneous, I wasn't sure cus IIRC font manger used to use my color classes |
| 01:08.48 | Erroneous | bz's does not |
| 01:08.54 | JeffM | then they got yankerd :) |
| 01:09.01 | Erroneous | yup :) |
| 01:09.27 | JeffM | ahhh, my color stuff is in my gpOpenGL class |
| 01:09.31 | JeffM | cus it can do GL calls with it |
| 01:09.59 | Erroneous | had to redo all the color stuff anyway because of the way you'd done it, so I just did it as closely to the old code as possible |
| 01:10.07 | JeffM | ahh |
| 01:10.21 | JeffM | still hugs fontmanager |
| 01:10.24 | Erroneous | we tend to set colors and draw a bunch of stuff in the middle |
| 01:10.34 | Erroneous | our states are so dirty :( |
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| 01:10.38 | JeffM | indeed |
| 01:10.43 | JeffM | drawables manager :) |
| 01:11.16 | Epyon | nah, fontmanager also uses floats for colors |
| 01:11.46 | Erroneous | and ansi codes |
| 01:12.15 | Epyon | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.30 | Epyon | Such code is ... sad... :( And asking for some looove |
| 01:13.09 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/code/ |
| 01:13.16 | JeffM | vectorMath.cpp and .h |
| 01:13.21 | JeffM | Gary tested ;) |
| 01:14.08 | Erroneous | we also have vectors.h already there |
| 01:14.18 | JeffM | ahh |
| 01:14.31 | Epyon | Okay, thats one thing I can try to cleanup for my patch :) |
| 01:14.33 | Erroneous | which is trepan code iirc |
| 01:14.43 | JeffM | would not suprrise me |
| 01:14.57 | Erroneous | but fairly limited |
| 01:15.10 | Epyon | I use this for my own needs :) : http://libvalkyrie.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/libvalkyrie/cpp/src/ |
| 01:15.18 | JeffM | and oddly named :) cfvec4 |
| 01:15.34 | JeffM | booooooooosssssssstttttttt! |
| 01:15.38 | Epyon | It's horribly out of date however since I moved SVN to my own server :( |
| 01:15.48 | Erroneous | yes, oddly named indeed |
| 01:15.54 | JeffM | oooo quats |
| 01:15.57 | JeffM | we need quats |
| 01:16.13 | JeffM | libQuat |
| 01:16.48 | Epyon | Errr, no matter how hard you try I don't see a need for more than one cxx and one h file for that :P |
| 01:17.09 | Erroneous | someone likes putting code in header files... :P |
| 01:17.29 | JeffM | Epyon, those files from that lib look like they would be harder to integrate and have more dependencies |
| 01:17.44 | Epyon | JeffM, which one? |
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| 01:17.58 | JeffM | the ones you linked |
| 01:18.28 | Epyon | Ah, that's my playground, they have no dependencies. I would rather suggest that BZF should have it's own mathlib |
| 01:18.43 | Erroneous | hm, no dependencies? #include <SDL_OpenGL.h>... |
| 01:18.44 | JeffM | I mean a bunch of files |
| 01:18.47 | JeffM | ;) |
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| 01:19.19 | Epyon | And that's a good question here -- if Vector, Matrix etc classes were to be implemented, then what way should we do it? |
| 01:19.20 | JeffM | if you want to throw in the ones I linked you, you can, and change the copyright to tim, I dont' care |
| 01:19.39 | JeffM | Epyon, the way that works |
| 01:19.41 | Epyon | Provide our own, use the ones from gplib, use ones from another engine/library? |
| 01:19.56 | Epyon | I'd suggest the first to reduce dependencies. |
| 01:19.57 | JeffM | code in BZ is probably bettter |
| 01:20.07 | Erroneous | ultimately they will need to be our own. doesn't matter where they're sourced from originally. |
| 01:20.14 | JeffM | just use the GP ones, and we can expand them as needed |
| 01:20.18 | JeffM | or rewrite them |
| 01:20.22 | JeffM | or whatever |
| 01:20.30 | Erroneous | but they need to be appropriately licensed and free to diverge from the original source |
| 01:20.30 | JeffM | they have the basic framework |
| 01:20.40 | JeffM | I wrote em :) |
| 01:20.45 | Epyon | I can freely relicence the ones I linked, Im the sole author :) |
| 01:20.50 | Epyon | lol JeffM :D |
| 01:20.52 | JeffM | with gary's tutilige |
| 01:21.04 | Erroneous | I am aware of both of those specific situations, just laying out the general rules :) |
| 01:21.53 | Epyon | The ones I wrote were written based on the "3D Game Design" by Eberly. |
| 01:22.14 | Epyon | the book, not the engine |
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| 01:23.28 | JeffM | Epyon, it's your change, do what you want |
| 01:23.32 | Epyon | Ah well, time for a beer. |
| 01:23.46 | Epyon | (it's 02:23 here -_-) |
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| 01:24.23 | Erroneous | isn't that awefully early for beer? ;) |
| 01:24.52 | Epyon | I don't drink before midnight :P |
| 01:25.03 | Epyon | At home that is :P |
| 01:27.10 | Lukstr|Food | brah |
| 01:43.55 | Lukstr | I was going to tell Erroneous, it's never too early for beer |
| 01:44.25 | spldart | I'm outta beer money :( |
| 01:44.46 | JeffM | Lukstr, he dosn't drink |
| 01:45.11 | Lukstr | JeffM: Oh, well he doesn't have to participate |
| 01:45.21 | Lukstr | spldart: I code for beer :) |
| 01:46.08 | spldart | holds up sign "Will work for beer" while standing next to overpass |
| 01:54.04 | Lukstr | So, say I make some commit to the source, how can I guarantee that it'll work on a windows system if I don't have one? |
| 01:54.10 | Lukstr | i.e. with Visual Studio |
| 01:58.57 | spldart | Ask someone.. I'm doin alotta test builds in windows and linux |
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| 01:59.24 | spldart | verifying the build works and doin so in debug so I can paste up info about failures |
| 02:00.11 | spldart | Or you can do a dual boot :) |
| 02:00.20 | brlcad | exactly, communication is important, there's plenty of people that can test things out if you invest reasonable effort to avoid interfaces that are platform-specific |
| 02:02.52 | Lukstr | right, however someone mentioned earlier that you can build BZFlag "out of the box" currently, what exactly does that mean |
| 02:03.07 | Lukstr | i.e, if I updated something, would I have to update Windows-only files too? |
| 02:03.12 | Lukstr | i.e. Visual Studio files? |
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| 02:04.39 | Lukstr | for example, if I made a new header file, would that have to be referenced somewhere |
| 02:04.52 | Lukstr | so that Visual Studio would know about it? or do I not need to worry about that |
| 02:05.01 | JeffM | techcinaly yes |
| 02:05.10 | JeffM | but windows devs usualy take care of that themselves |
| 02:05.20 | JeffM | if you ain't one |
| 02:05.22 | Lukstr | okay |
| 02:05.30 | JeffM | you can help by making us (me) a list |
| 02:05.44 | JeffM | but I can usualy see them when it dosn't build ;) |
| 02:06.02 | JeffM | or we look for the file adds in the svn checkout |
| 02:06.07 | brlcad | yeah |
| 02:06.14 | Lukstr | out of curiosity, why do you prefer visual studio? |
| 02:06.17 | JeffM | it is generaly not a problem |
| 02:06.26 | brlcad | Lukstr: studio files are actually fairly simple to update by hand with a text editor |
| 02:06.28 | JeffM | because it does everything I want it to, and well |
| 02:06.38 | JeffM | VC files are XML |
| 02:06.41 | brlcad | I usually do if I add/remove a file, but even if you don't .. they will -- just let them know |
| 02:06.58 | Lukstr | JeffM: yeah I know, I wrote wizards for VS2005 |
| 02:07.00 | JeffM | just like we usualy try to add the files we add to the make |
| 02:07.26 | Lukstr | hm |
| 02:07.31 | JeffM | kdev is the closest thing I've used to VC on linux |
| 02:07.35 | JeffM | devC++ is a joke |
| 02:07.50 | Lukstr | VC isn't free, is it? |
| 02:08.00 | JeffM | express edition is |
| 02:08.03 | JeffM | for personal use |
| 02:08.08 | Lukstr | I see |
| 02:08.28 | Lukstr | Well, anything that runs vi suits me :P |
| 02:08.45 | JeffM | I never got the hang of gdb |
| 02:09.23 | Lukstr | I found gdb fairly fun once I realized I had to pretend I never used Visual Studio debugging |
| 02:09.30 | JeffM | heh |
| 02:09.38 | JeffM | the VC debuger is very nice |
| 02:09.51 | JeffM | I used to use codewarrior |
| 02:09.56 | Lukstr | regardless, there's interesting things you can do with vi and gdb |
| 02:09.57 | JeffM | it had a good debugger too |
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| 02:11.47 | JeffM | hmm that reminds me. |
| 02:11.56 | KingofCamelot | MSVC is free now if you're a full time student |
| 02:12.16 | JeffM | yes they have many programs to distribute the tools to students |
| 02:12.32 | Lukstr | It's a trap ;) |
| 02:12.40 | KingofCamelot | Been trying to download VS 2008 for the last few days...but the download keeps kicking out :P |
| 02:12.48 | L4m3r | you have no idea how true that is, Lukstr |
| 02:12.49 | JeffM | noone ever said MS was stupid in biz ;) |
| 02:12.55 | serrs | is there a way to run a cached map (someone elses) on your local bzfs? I know some publish the world, but I don't think all do. My 6 year old soon doesn't like to get beat up publicly... (although he doesn't tk too bad) |
| 02:12.58 | JeffM | KingofCamelot, I highly recomend 2005 instead |
| 02:13.00 | Lukstr | L4m3r: believe me, I do :) |
| 02:13.14 | KingofCamelot | JeffM, for what reasons may I ask? |
| 02:13.26 | JeffM | KingofCamelot, 2005 is better supported |
| 02:13.29 | L4m3r | M$ actually bought UCLA's engineering dept a computer lab in return for using MSVS for the intro C++ classes |
| 02:13.30 | JeffM | and has had a service pack |
| 02:13.33 | JeffM | 2008 is very new |
| 02:13.48 | JeffM | serrs, not realy |
| 02:13.59 | KingofCamelot | Good points :) |
| 02:14.06 | Lukstr | L4m3r: look at the university of waterloo, all computer engineers use C# :( |
| 02:14.15 | L4m3r | ewwww |
| 02:14.15 | JeffM | serrs, a server is need to run localy and they can only read a .bzw not a cache file |
| 02:14.33 | JeffM | KingofCamelot, and if you are going to use it for BZ, we haven't realy nailed down 2008 yet |
| 02:14.35 | serrs | jeffm, so there is no way to convert it back.. |
| 02:14.38 | Lukstr | I'm glad my university is all linux :) |
| 02:14.44 | JeffM | serrs, we do not have a function to do so |
| 02:14.56 | JeffM | it's basicly a binary blob of what we send to the client |
| 02:14.56 | KingofCamelot | JeffM, ya, I was afraid of that, but wasn't sure if it would be a problem for BZ |
| 02:15.11 | JeffM | KingofCamelot, also 2008 isn't THAT much cooler then 2005 |
| 02:15.16 | JeffM | so there is not much end user diffs |
| 02:15.34 | KingofCamelot | But...its new and shiny :P |
| 02:15.41 | JeffM | it looks basicly the same |
| 02:15.53 | Lukstr | wonders what BZWG stands for... |
| 02:15.57 | spldart | Lotsa public maps you can host on the lan serrs.. Many are published on on bzbb |
| 02:15.57 | JeffM | I mean if I have to, I'll install VC9 (2008) and get it running |
| 02:16.03 | JeffM | Lukstr, World Generator |
| 02:16.09 | Lukstr | ah, thanks :) |
| 02:16.22 | Lukstr | so many acronyms! |
| 02:16.39 | spldart | hrm... maybe 'published isn't the best term hehe |
| 02:16.42 | JeffM | welcome to comptuer science ;) |
| 02:16.52 | KingofCamelot | Yep, the land of acronyms :P |
| 02:16.54 | JeffM | serrs, what map did you want |
| 02:16.57 | Lukstr | I'm not in computer science ;) |
| 02:17.11 | JeffM | yes you are if you came here ;) |
| 02:17.21 | Lukstr | lies, systems engineering :) |
| 02:17.38 | JeffM | engineering is a form of science ;) |
| 02:18.02 | Lukstr | yup, but it's not computer science :P |
| 02:18.17 | serrs | jeffm, it's spring break here... and my son and his cousins want to play a private game of missle war 2.3 oh well.. I understand if it's not public |
| 02:18.24 | JeffM | it is, your univiserity just likes to name things difrently so it makes the money easier to move around ;) |
| 02:18.24 | serrs | didn't hurt to ask |
| 02:18.41 | JeffM | serrs, yeah sadly the authorsof that map are greedy |
| 02:18.47 | Lukstr | JeffM: trust me, it's not, there are hardly any computer courses |
| 02:18.50 | serrs | heheh it's very popular |
| 02:18.54 | Lukstr | most of it is engineering, physics and mechanics |
| 02:19.09 | JeffM | Lukstr, yet you are here to apply for a programing posstion? |
| 02:19.09 | Lukstr | computer science... more of a hobby :P |
| 02:19.21 | JeffM | I wasn't nessisarly talking aboutt your school ether |
| 02:19.27 | JeffM | there is more out there then just your school |
| 02:19.30 | serrs | jeffm, so we found that orangr had several published... we will download those. |
| 02:19.32 | Lukstr | I know |
| 02:19.33 | JeffM | bzflag is very much computer science |
| 02:19.46 | Lukstr | I enjoy it, but would never want to do it for food |
| 02:20.02 | JeffM | why? |
| 02:20.18 | Lukstr | I did that... at least, most commercial software is little fun |
| 02:20.30 | JeffM | serrs, many maps are published on the fourms too |
| 02:20.42 | JeffM | Lukstr, nether are most jobs ;) |
| 02:20.50 | serrs | jeffm, ok... thanks! |
| 02:20.53 | Lukstr | JeffM: yeah, I'm not a huge fan of those either :P |
| 02:21.13 | JeffM | ahh the ignorance of youth :) |
| 02:21.28 | Lukstr | I'm interested in teaching |
| 02:21.42 | JeffM | fun |
| 02:21.46 | Lukstr | i.e. post grad work |
| 02:21.47 | Lukstr | whee |
| 02:21.59 | JeffM | so pollitics then |
| 02:22.10 | Lukstr | :P |
| 02:22.24 | JeffM | friend of mine is doing his doctorate |
| 02:22.25 | Lukstr | philosophy here and there too |
| 02:22.28 | Lukstr | fun stuff |
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| 02:24.54 | KingofCamelot | Downloading VS2005 now, on your advice JeffM :P |
| 02:25.12 | JeffM_ | full or express? |
| 02:25.28 | KingofCamelot | full, professional edition |
| 02:25.43 | JeffM_ | you will also need the direct X 9 SDK from april 2007 |
| 02:25.47 | JeffM_ | NOT the current one |
| 02:25.52 | KingofCamelot | Ya, saw that |
| 02:26.10 | JeffM_ | I really need to fix a target for the current SDK |
| 02:26.23 | JeffM_ | or upgrade us to DX8 |
| 02:27.19 | KingofCamelot | If you don't mind me asking, are you one of the main BZ devs JeffM? Obviously I'm new around here and don't know who is who, heh |
| 02:27.29 | JeffM_ | I'm one of the project admins |
| 02:28.00 | KingofCamelot | Just noticed your name on the GSoC2008 wiki page too :) |
| 02:28.11 | JeffM_ | yep |
| 02:28.14 | JeffM_ | I'll be a mentor |
| 02:28.16 | JeffM_ | backup admin |
| 02:28.19 | AHA | JeffM is everywhere all the time |
| 02:28.20 | JeffM_ | t-shirt salesman |
| 02:29.03 | KingofCamelot | I'm going to apply for GSoC for BZ...just need to finish getting VS2005 so I can compile this sucker before I send in an application :P |
| 02:29.20 | JeffM_ | don't forget to make a patch ;) |
| 02:29.29 | KingofCamelot | I was going to mention that too :) |
| 02:29.38 | JeffM_ | chants bug fix bug fix bug fix |
| 02:29.51 | KingofCamelot | I stumbled onto this all a little late, so I gotta kinda push this in quick before the deadline, heh |
| 02:30.07 | JeffM_ | we get most apps at the end ;) |
| 02:30.19 | KingofCamelot | Do you guys get a lot of apps at BZ? |
| 02:30.30 | JeffM_ | we have only done this one year before |
| 02:30.45 | JeffM_ | last year we had 40 or 50 apps |
| 02:30.49 | JeffM_ | somewhere in there |
| 02:30.49 | Lukstr | wow |
| 02:30.52 | KingofCamelot | and how many did you accept? |
| 02:30.55 | JeffM_ | 4 |
| 02:31.02 | KingofCamelot | Woah, lol |
| 02:31.14 | JeffM_ | drupal we ain't ;) |
| 02:31.33 | Winny | hehe |
| 02:31.39 | KingofCamelot | So sounds like I got a little competition, hehe. Wish I had found out about this before Saturday, heh |
| 02:31.40 | Lukstr | yeah but you got tanks, they don't :) |
| 02:31.48 | JeffM_ | heh |
| 02:32.07 | JeffM_ | KingofCamelot, well coming here and talking to us is a good thing |
| 02:32.15 | JeffM_ | the majority of those that apply do not |
| 02:32.26 | JeffM_ | and all the people who were accepted last year did |
| 02:32.34 | KingofCamelot | Then I'm glad I came :) |
| 02:32.35 | Lukstr | yay |
| 02:32.43 | JeffM_ | so all of you be sure to mention your IRC name, etc.. |
| 02:32.44 | KingofCamelot | Just wasn't sure how to find which one of you guys are BZ devs :P |
| 02:32.46 | Lukstr | has a greater than zero chance! |
| 02:32.47 | JeffM_ | helps track us |
| 02:33.07 | Lukstr | I'm known as Lukstr galaxy-wide |
| 02:33.32 | Lukstr | except for a few places where some egyptian took it |
| 02:33.36 | Lukstr | but I'll find him one day... |
| 02:33.57 | JeffM_ | devs... DTRemenak, brlcad , blast007, L4m3r , Constitution, jbd, menotume , tupone, ts, brygen |
| 02:33.57 | KingofCamelot | I'm pretty sure I'm the only KingofCamelot out there :P |
| 02:34.07 | JeffM_ | those of some of them off the top of my head |
| 02:34.12 | Winny | donny_baker, too :) |
| 02:34.20 | Lukstr | basically the people with mod power? |
| 02:34.24 | JeffM_ | true dony |
| 02:34.24 | JeffM_ | no |
| 02:34.35 | JeffM_ | ibot is not a dev ;) |
| 02:34.40 | KingofCamelot | Haha |
| 02:34.46 | JeffM_ | a lot of people have commit access |
| 02:34.49 | Lukstr | well neither is ChanServ or SportChick |
| 02:35.02 | JeffM_ | yet SportChick has commit access ;) |
| 02:35.08 | Lukstr | haha |
| 02:35.17 | JeffM_ | you can look at the ohlo page to see the commit stats |
| 02:35.24 | JeffM_ | that's who works on the software most |
| 02:35.41 | JeffM_ | we arn't realy pushing with who does what so many people just do what they want when they want |
| 02:36.08 | JeffM_ | blast007 and L4m3r have been bucking up to good things over the last couple years |
| 02:36.18 | JeffM_ | Constitution has been doing well also |
| 02:36.26 | L4m3r | me? good things? never! |
| 02:36.29 | KingofCamelot | JeffM, quick question. How important is past experience during the application process at BZ? |
| 02:36.40 | JeffM_ | L4m3r, it's ok, I won't tell anyone |
| 02:36.56 | JeffM_ | KingofCamelot, not as impotant as the proposal for your project |
| 02:37.14 | JeffM_ | we'll use your background to judge if we think you can or can not do what you say you can do |
| 02:37.50 | JeffM_ | since we are requireing everyone to submit a patch or fix this year that will help us know what you CAN do |
| 02:38.02 | KingofCamelot | I'm a bit hesitant about the proposal. I want to apply for the server listing enhancements, but I'm not really sure how detailed I can make the proposal before getting into it really. |
| 02:38.03 | JeffM_ | but also if you don't say anything we will get suspicious |
| 02:38.15 | JeffM_ | KingofCamelot, well do what you can |
| 02:38.20 | JeffM_ | that's part of what we want to see |
| 02:38.25 | Lukstr | JeffM_: btw, about the patch/fix, does this have to be prior to the application deadline (i.e. this week?) |
| 02:38.28 | JeffM_ | how much you can pan, etc.. |
| 02:38.39 | JeffM_ | Lukstr, it would help, but I'm sure it could come after |
| 02:38.45 | JeffM_ | we have a week to rank them |
| 02:38.51 | Lukstr | I'd be hard pressed to get it in this week |
| 02:38.53 | Lukstr | maybe on the weekend |
| 02:38.53 | JeffM_ | sooner is always better |
| 02:38.56 | JeffM_ | but do what you can |
| 02:38.57 | KingofCamelot | Thats some good news :) I don't feel as rushed anymore, heh |
| 02:39.19 | JeffM_ | I mean if it comes in on the last day we have to rank.. ain't goanna fly |
| 02:39.32 | KingofCamelot | Of course |
| 02:39.46 | Lukstr | Hopefully I'll get something in by this weekend/early next week |
| 02:39.50 | JeffM_ | a big partof the thing we are looking for is if you can do what you say you are going to in a rasonable manner |
| 02:39.59 | JeffM_ | Lukstr, mention it in the application |
| 02:40.04 | Lukstr | will do |
| 02:40.38 | JeffM_ | we understand that stuff happens in life, but we do treat SoC like a job for the student, so we expect to be kept in the loop |
| 02:41.10 | JeffM_ | having students go off for weeks with no contact is not good |
| 02:41.39 | JeffM_ | we will be avoiding the "code drop" mentality like the plauge this time :) |
| 02:41.52 | KingofCamelot | JeffM, I'm a 'retired' Dev for a BF2 mod, where for a while there I put in a lot of time and work until school caught up with me. In my application I could mention the admins from that mod which could be contacted to 'vouch' for me, or would that be overkill? lol |
| 02:41.54 | Lukstr | what's the code drop mentality? |
| 02:42.19 | JeffM_ | KingofCamelot, I don't thiknk we'd need or want refrences |
| 02:42.24 | JeffM_ | cus I highly doubt we know them perosnaly |
| 02:42.32 | JeffM_ | so there word is just as good to us as yours |
| 02:42.42 | JeffM_ | Lukstr, go off, write a thing, come back and just commit it in one chunk |
| 02:42.54 | Lukstr | hah |
| 02:42.59 | Lukstr | like |
| 02:43.09 | Lukstr | "btw here's my app" *submits 40000k of code* |
| 02:43.09 | JeffM_ | many students get into that mentality cus of class projects |
| 02:43.11 | KingofCamelot | JeffM, good point, was just wondering :) |
| 02:43.19 | JeffM_ | Lukstr, no aftter acceptance |
| 02:43.21 | Lukstr | JeffM_: we use SVN at school :P |
| 02:43.26 | JeffM_ | not everyone does |
| 02:43.28 | Lukstr | I meant app as in application |
| 02:43.32 | Lukstr | JeffM_: hardly anyone does |
| 02:43.36 | JeffM_ | yeah |
| 02:43.43 | Lukstr | er, like a program |
| 02:43.47 | Lukstr | my words, they.. fail |
| 02:43.47 | JeffM_ | we had to beat on some students last year to get them to commit |
| 02:43.56 | Lukstr | god, I used to be a commit fiend |
| 02:43.57 | brlcad | KingofCamelot: that's why the instructions say "impress us" with a detailed articulate proposal |
| 02:43.59 | JeffM_ | optimaly I'd like to see many commits per day with the students |
| 02:44.24 | JeffM_ | hopes he's beeing accurate to the burlycad's wishes |
| 02:44.24 | brlcad | the submission list is quickly culled by more than half in the first couple days |
| 02:44.25 | JeffM_ | ;) |
| 02:44.35 | brlcad | is still 10 min behind |
| 02:44.44 | KingofCamelot | brclad, I'll try, but I'm not sure how detailed I can make a proposal about server listing enhancements :P |
| 02:44.46 | brlcad | but I can't imagine that you're not accurate |
| 02:44.55 | JeffM_ | cool you can entertain them while I go home |
| 02:45.06 | JeffM_ | is out of blue nacho chips |
| 02:45.29 | brlcad | KingofCamelot: sure you can, itemize the things you have in mind, could even stab out some prototypes or research done to show competency and understanding, lots you can do |
| 02:46.14 | KingofCamelot | So basically I can't be too detailed? Heh |
| 02:46.21 | brlcad | pretty much |
| 02:46.31 | brlcad | though if you're talking out your ass, it will smell bad |
| 02:46.51 | KingofCamelot | I try to avoid talking out my ass most of the time :) |
| 02:48.17 | KingofCamelot | Either way I'd love to get involved in BZ, regardless of whether or not my application is accepted, although working on it for GSoC would make it easier to get into, heh |
| 02:48.28 | brlcad | hm, i don't mind references, but they're just not really valuable unless I already know them :) |
| 02:48.54 | KingofCamelot | Yea...you won't know these guys, heh |
| 02:49.21 | KingofCamelot | All I could tell you is we won 2nd place in MODDB's Mod of the Year contest two years running, heh |
| 02:49.28 | Epyon | "<JeffM_> we had to beat on some students last year to get them to commit" O.o |
| 02:49.48 | KingofCamelot | Just figured past experience on a mod might bode well, since the modding environment and open source environment are a lot alike |
| 02:50.05 | KingofCamelot | I'd say the open source scene has heavily influenced the modding scene |
| 02:50.19 | brlcad | you're welcome to put your past experience |
| 02:50.30 | brlcad | but actions speak much louder than words |
| 02:50.37 | brlcad | hence the patch piece this year |
| 02:50.48 | brlcad | your chance to impress, or at least show basic competency |
| 02:50.48 | KingofCamelot | Indeed |
| 02:51.08 | Lukstr | Hm, should I avoid explaining the benefits of modularization as they are (sort of) out of the scope of my application? |
| 02:51.11 | Epyon | Patches for the patch king! |
| 02:51.38 | brlcad | I entirely expect 2/3rds of the submissions to not submit a patch, so even if we get 50 apps again, it'll still basically boil down to about a dozen strong candidates for about a half dozen slots |
| 02:52.07 | brlcad | Lukstr: be brief :) |
| 02:52.08 | Lukstr | that makes your job easier :P |
| 02:52.15 | brlcad | not really |
| 02:52.18 | Epyon | brlcad, yeah, that's what I was thinking too -- most people wont even know that there was a patch needed :P |
| 02:52.23 | brlcad | we narrowed down last year pretty quickly |
| 02:52.39 | Epyon | 'd like to hear about that. |
| 02:52.51 | brlcad | selecting N when there are N*2 that are all desireable is really hard |
| 02:53.12 | Epyon | What about conflict apps? |
| 02:53.26 | brlcad | meh, conflicts aren't a big deal |
| 02:53.28 | Epyon | In the sense N people for the same project |
| 02:53.30 | Lukstr | Besides BZFS, BZWB, BZWG, and Modeltool, are BZW files used by anything? |
| 02:53.33 | brlcad | we had like four last year, all resolved easily |
| 02:54.27 | Epyon | Lukstr, thinking about libworld? :P |
| 02:54.51 | Lukstr | maaaybe |
| 02:55.20 | Epyon | wants to split the graphics and audio code away from the client. |
| 02:56.05 | Epyon | Yyyh, and I definitively want to see custom tank models :P |
| 02:56.11 | Lukstr | graphics and audio only? |
| 02:56.13 | Lukstr | what about input |
| 02:56.24 | Epyon | If time allows |
| 02:56.47 | Epyon | But probably that would be done too. |
| 02:56.59 | Lukstr | Epyon: are you submitting as a student? |
| 02:57.04 | Epyon | Yeah. |
| 02:57.12 | Epyon | At least that's what I think today :] |
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| 02:57.37 | Epyon | I already got a completely non-conflict app planned though. |
| 02:58.02 | Epyon | Been thinking on a second one and this really pulled my strings today. |
| 02:58.06 | Lukstr | hahah |
| 02:58.11 | Epyon | loves refactoring. |
| 02:58.17 | Lukstr | hehe |
| 02:58.55 | Epyon | Watching spaggetti code unravel into nicely structured code, watching chaos turn into order... yeah, that brings a sense of accomplishment :] |
| 02:59.18 | Epyon | Duh, a lot of sp. mistakes in the above sentence -_- |
| 02:59.32 | Lukstr | it's the internet, you're not the first |
| 02:59.45 | spldart | Refactor your sp? |
| 02:59.50 | spldart | ;-) |
| 03:00.02 | Epyon | Hey, english is not my native language, I have to write it right xP |
| 03:00.16 | spldart | j/k hehe |
| 03:00.43 | Epyon | Refactoring volatile entities isn't that much fun as stable ones. |
| 03:00.50 | Epyon | volatile? sp? |
| 03:01.04 | Lukstr | libworld doesn't currently exist, right? |
| 03:01.14 | Epyon | Not yet. |
| 03:01.25 | Lukstr | what's the consensus on what it should do? |
| 03:01.28 | Epyon | But I'd be happy to see it. |
| 03:01.32 | Epyon | No idea. |
| 03:01.42 | brlcad | Epyon: sometimes that sense of accomplishment is still diminished by the fact that there are 100,000 pieces of spagetti to unravel, color coded differently |
| 03:01.45 | brlcad | tedius ;) |
| 03:01.47 | Epyon | At least it should provide a parser/lexer for world diles. |
| 03:02.09 | Lukstr | hm |
| 03:02.16 | brlcad | Lukstr: there is a libword |
| 03:02.31 | brlcad | s/libword/libworld/! |
| 03:02.36 | Lukstr | :D |
| 03:02.36 | brlcad | it's got like one file in it |
| 03:02.54 | Lukstr | where in the tree is it |
| 03:02.57 | brlcad | the idea has been there for years, just nobody has gotten to it yet |
| 03:03.06 | brlcad | do I really need to help you find it? :) |
| 03:03.10 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM (n=Jeff@pool-71-109-218-124.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 03:03.10 | brlcad | it's not hidden |
| 03:03.23 | JeffM | yes it is. |
| 03:03.25 | JeffM | the cake |
| 03:03.27 | JeffM | it's a LIE |
| 03:03.27 | Lukstr | Iiiii must be retarded |
| 03:03.40 | Winny | offers JeffM some cake |
| 03:03.41 | JeffM | Lukstr: that's just what he wants you to think |
| 03:03.55 | Lukstr | ok |
| 03:03.58 | Lukstr | and the cake isn't a lie |
| 03:04.30 | JeffM | goes an makes a really neat gun |
| 03:04.34 | Lukstr | World?.[ch] ? |
| 03:04.52 | L4m3r | there we go... we need a "portal gun" flag for bz |
| 03:04.54 | brlcad | Lukstr: where are all of our sources? |
| 03:05.01 | brlcad | in the hierarchy |
| 03:05.07 | JeffM | L4m3r: ALL things need a portal gun |
| 03:05.07 | Lukstr | on my hard drive :) |
| 03:05.19 | Lukstr | src/world ? |
| 03:05.23 | brlcad | bingo |
| 03:05.24 | Lukstr | WorldObject.h? |
| 03:05.28 | JeffM | our lack of aim would make it a pain |
| 03:05.48 | Lukstr | it's not actually built into a lib is it? |
| 03:06.20 | brlcad | still thinks it should be libBZW but libWorld works too for internal use |
| 03:06.20 | JeffM | proalby is |
| 03:06.20 | brlcad | it's not used |
| 03:06.20 | JeffM | libYourMom |
| 03:06.20 | brlcad | that was the start of the lib |
| 03:06.20 | Lukstr | :o I like libBZW |
| 03:06.32 | brlcad | but like i said.. nobody got to it |
| 03:06.37 | brlcad | had they, you'd be out of a project |
| 03:06.43 | Lukstr | grrr |
| 03:06.45 | JeffM | heh |
| 03:07.01 | JeffM | hopefully Ill be able to actualy add something to libGame today |
| 03:07.05 | JeffM | or this week |
| 03:07.13 | JeffM | yet another manager ;) |
| 03:07.41 | Lukstr | So libBZW/libWorld is big enough for a whole SoC? |
| 03:07.59 | Epyon | \\\\\\oiup |
| 03:08.00 | Epyon | edokd |
| 03:08.01 | JeffM | well I'd say spliting it |
| 03:08.07 | Epyon | Dammit! |
| 03:08.19 | JeffM | and integrating it into the server, bzwb, and maybe bzwg |
| 03:08.30 | JeffM | those whould be enough for a project |
| 03:08.33 | Lukstr | hm |
| 03:08.35 | Epyon | Dsmmit I hstre my keyrbosrd! |
| 03:08.47 | JeffM | if you run out of stuff todo, I'm sure we can find stuff for you to do ;) |
| 03:08.48 | Lukstr | I guess bzwg would only be a viable update if it was being worked on |
| 03:08.51 | Lukstr | hahah |
| 03:08.59 | Lukstr | well, Okay, |
| 03:09.03 | Winny | puts Epyon into the fail bin |
| 03:09.09 | JeffM | brlcad realy hates to pick up his own dry cleaning |
| 03:09.10 | Winny | ;) |
| 03:09.10 | Epyon | A wireless ouiece ogf shit that dies on me from time to time |
| 03:09.15 | Lukstr | goes back to edit his app |
| 03:09.21 | JeffM | Epyon: language, again |
| 03:09.31 | JeffM | just fix it and get on with it |
| 03:09.35 | Epyon | and this standard replacemrnt I csnt uder normslly |
| 03:10.08 | Epyon | thats what it comres from uysing a non-sdtasndard keyborad :/. |
| 03:10.24 | brlcad | I really do, I abhore chores |
| 03:10.44 | JeffM | you could have him go out and fill all those kiss orders |
| 03:10.58 | KingofCamelot | A virtual coffee boy? :P |
| 03:11.11 | JeffM | who said anything about 'virtual' |
| 03:11.42 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16791 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/ (MatchManager.cxx MatchManager.h): flesh out some command logic so others can take over the sub project. |
| 03:11.55 | Lukstr | Okay, well, I'm going with libBZW until I get enough of an argument to change it |
| 03:12.14 | JeffM | Lukstr: it's bikeshed |
| 03:12.42 | Lukstr | I disagree |
| 03:12.44 | brlcad | you can always lay out a timeline as you see it taking, and lay out what else you'd do if you finish up early |
| 03:12.51 | Epyon | He he, what color yiou eant it JeffM? :P |
| 03:12.55 | JeffM | Lukstr: anything in the proposal can change |
| 03:13.03 | JeffM | so it dosn't realy matter |
| 03:13.03 | Lukstr | :P |
| 03:13.05 | brlcad | hell, if you're that good, you could have the whole thing bused out in a week or two, and all apps updated in another week |
| 03:13.05 | JeffM | not at this point |
| 03:14.07 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16792 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzfs/GameKeeper.cxx: space.. that is white |
| 03:14.08 | brlcad | it needs to be detailed enough to make us at least put you into that "final dozen" list at least |
| 03:14.17 | Lukstr | right |
| 03:14.22 | brlcad | but we will be prompting with questions |
| 03:14.47 | Lukstr | yay |
| 03:14.51 | JeffM | blast007: you wern't getting massive packetloss were you? |
| 03:14.52 | Epyon | is going to pldaty some mnouse bamed gamen uyntilk his keybord recoverds coinmection |
| 03:14.56 | *** join/#bzflag Think_Differentl (n=shedelj@unaffiliated/thinkdifferentl/x-838543) |
| 03:16.02 | JeffM | laughes now that he sees the core problem with lag comp :( |
| 03:16.54 | Lukstr | should we start a "Buy Epyon a new keyboard fund" ? |
| 03:17.22 | JeffM | no he just needs to be less of a drama queen ;) |
| 03:17.45 | Lukstr | hah |
| 03:17.47 | Epyon | JeffM, touxche ;] |
| 03:18.09 | Lukstr | needs a new IRC client |
| 03:18.23 | JeffM | xchat is cool |
| 03:18.26 | Epyon | irissi |
| 03:18.55 | JeffM | blast007: well I think I foudn the problem.... |
| 03:19.36 | Think_Differentl | needs a new keyboard |
| 03:26.23 | Lukstr | how big are the gsoc tshirts? |
| 03:26.24 | Lukstr | :P |
| 03:26.31 | JeffM | normal |
| 03:26.37 | JeffM | hanes IIRC |
| 03:26.50 | Epyon | Lukstr, you chjiose that in the app dont youi? |
| 03:26.51 | JeffM | brlcad: did you ever find out from LH who prints there shirts? |
| 03:27.01 | Lukstr | JeffM: thanks |
| 03:27.05 | JeffM | Epyon: he wants to know how they size |
| 03:27.11 | Epyon | ? |
| 03:27.12 | Lukstr | yeah I'm unclear :P |
| 03:27.30 | JeffM | Epyon: one mans large is another mans extra large |
| 03:27.44 | JeffM | brands can have variances |
| 03:28.18 | Epyon | That;ls illoghicaal - whyt have siuzes at all then? |
| 03:28.22 | L4m3r | extreme variances |
| 03:28.41 | Epyon | knew he took a riskl taking M |
| 03:28.53 | JeffM | Epyon: please fix your keyboard, or don't type |
| 03:29.00 | JeffM | reboot if you have to |
| 03:30.18 | Epyon | That's not the problewm -- I'm usiung a backup keyboasrd thaty I either have to type on slowly or mniss the keys :( |
| 03:30.42 | JeffM | you are worse then a 12 year old american child |
| 03:30.49 | Epyon | :D |
| 03:30.55 | JeffM | it was not a joke |
| 03:31.59 | Epyon | I'm waiting for an upcharge of my normal keyboard. Masybe it'll help it catch the bluetootyh reciever. |
| 03:32.01 | brlcad | JeffM: didn't know I was supposed to |
| 03:32.06 | brlcad | i'll ask her tomorrow |
| 03:32.20 | JeffM | brlcad: it was mentioned long long ago :) |
| 03:32.36 | Epyon | I'll keep silent tillk then. |
| 03:32.38 | JeffM | at a summit |
| 03:35.17 | blast007 | JeffM: not sure if I was getting packet loss. Want me to check? |
| 03:35.22 | JeffM | naw |
| 03:35.29 | JeffM | I had local code problems |
| 03:35.42 | JeffM | I was actualy missing the bzflag.exe project ;) |
| 03:35.43 | blast007 | k |
| 03:35.50 | JeffM | I'm reviewing the code now |
| 03:36.06 | blast007 | k |
| 03:36.18 | JeffM | I'll probably make it log out the client deltas when it does the updates to see what they are doing |
| 03:40.35 | *** join/#bzflag BulletCatcher (n=bc@unaffiliated/bulletcatcher) |
| 03:48.20 | Lukstr | I can edit the google app whenever I want, right? |
| 03:48.55 | JeffM | yes |
| 03:48.59 | Lukstr | excellent |
| 03:52.05 | Lukstr | JeffM: is it alright if I submit a half-complete app or should I wait? |
| 03:52.13 | Lukstr | :P |
| 03:52.22 | JeffM | you can continue to edit the app |
| 03:52.38 | JeffM | but since there is no rush, it is best to get at least somewhat complete |
| 03:52.39 | DTRemenak | you should probably complete it before submitting it |
| 03:52.58 | Lukstr | I'm trying to complete the abstract at least |
| 03:52.58 | DTRemenak | otherwise the comments and rankings will get confusing on our end :) |
| 03:53.26 | Lukstr | hm |
| 03:55.10 | JeffM | there is no rush |
| 03:55.24 | JeffM | we have over a week to review them afterwords |
| 03:55.37 | Lukstr | okay |
| 03:55.42 | Lukstr | on that note, night all |
| 03:55.49 | JeffM | see ya |
| 03:57.51 | Paul_PL | JeffM: I suggested yesterday combining the server listing with a buddy lisy, do you think it is a good idea to put those two things togehter for the 3 monts of work? |
| 03:58.02 | Paul_PL | also, what do the other devs think about it? :) |
| 03:58.12 | JeffM | they could yes |
| 03:58.24 | JeffM | buddy lists integrates with a number of other systems |
| 03:59.34 | Paul_PL | I saw the suggestion to fit it into the global chat system, but i think there would stil be place for it in the server list |
| 04:00.05 | JeffM | they all have to tie together somehow ;) |
| 04:00.19 | JeffM | it all has to come back to auth at some point |
| 04:00.35 | brlcad | JeffM: ah, musta forgot or didn't catch the question |
| 04:00.46 | JeffM | brlcad: it was a year aog ;) |
| 04:00.48 | JeffM | ago |
| 04:00.56 | JeffM | so totaly understandable |
| 04:01.01 | brlcad | heh |
| 04:01.10 | brlcad | thinks JeffM was drunk at the time |
| 04:01.13 | brlcad | or maybe I was |
| 04:01.22 | JeffM | I think all of us were |
| 04:01.39 | JeffM | or maybe the reminder was writen on my bottle opener |
| 04:05.02 | *** join/#bzflag Lukstr (n=Lukstr@206-248-157-113.dsl.teksavvy.com) |
| 04:06.12 | brlcad | heh |
| 04:06.40 | Lukstr | did you see my app? |
| 04:07.44 | Lukstr | feel free to leave a comment so I can edit it again :D |
| 04:08.52 | JeffM | wow |
| 04:09.11 | JeffM | didn't listen to a word we said |
| 04:10.57 | brlcad | ah, he put a "little" more into the wiki |
| 04:11.15 | brlcad | cept didn't write about bzw there :) |
| 04:11.28 | JeffM | seems very much in a rush |
| 04:11.56 | brlcad | needs to (re)read http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code/Application_Guidelines |
| 04:12.31 | JeffM | when I asked him if he had, he said he did |
| 04:12.31 | Paul_PL | i made my build of BZFlag from the current svn trunk, but when i try to connect to a server i get the 'world cache files disappeared...' messege |
| 04:12.44 | brlcad | he did get involved early and sounds realistic/articulate, but needs a *lot* more detail |
| 04:12.50 | Paul_PL | can you tell what is wrong? |
| 04:12.52 | JeffM | yes |
| 04:13.14 | JeffM | brlcad: you going to comment so he can update it or should I? |
| 04:13.25 | brlcad | comments |
| 04:13.43 | brlcad | he also maybe just posted "something" with the intention of editing |
| 04:13.45 | JeffM | Paul_PL: he's in a rush and REALY excited to be here,t hat's all ;) |
| 04:13.50 | JeffM | I think he did |
| 04:13.51 | brlcad | they can't edit until someone posts a comment |
| 04:14.03 | brlcad | webapp bug from last year |
| 04:14.04 | JeffM | we told him there was no rush to get it complete first |
| 04:14.06 | blast007 | "Hm, so apparently I can't edit the detailed description whenever I want." |
| 04:14.22 | blast007 | Paul_PL: is your My Documents directory on a network share? |
| 04:14.38 | Paul_PL | no |
| 04:14.40 | Epyon | brlcad, thats why one should have a fairly complete proposal before submuitting it to the google app -_-\ |
| 04:15.23 | JeffM | Paul_PL: what OS are you on? |
| 04:15.37 | brlcad | Epyon: i just commented, so he should be able to edit now |
| 04:15.40 | Paul_PL | windows XP sp2 |
| 04:15.52 | brlcad | he left before it was noticed is all |
| 04:16.08 | Epyon | brlcad, point him out though that hge wont be able to edit again once he does thgat :) |
| 04:16.13 | JeffM | did it make a "my bzflag files" dir in your my docs folder? |
| 04:16.21 | brlcad | Epyon: also sooner is still better than later |
| 04:16.33 | Epyon | Yeah I know |
| 04:16.55 | brlcad | heads homeward |
| 04:17.23 | Paul_PL | have to check if the release version didn't make it first :) |
| 04:17.26 | Epyon | heads bedward |
| 04:18.08 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03JeffM2501 * r16793 10/trunk/bzflag/src/bzflag/ (SyncClock.cxx SyncClock.h playing.cxx): for now log out the synced clock messages, and fire them off ever 15 seconds until we figure out why server deltas are off |
| 04:18.30 | Paul_PL | yes, it does make the folder |
| 04:18.33 | JeffM | blast007: that will tell you how far off the client and server clocks are ever 15 seconds |
| 04:18.41 | JeffM | Paul_PL: throw it away |
| 04:19.14 | blast007 | I already had my bzfs writing out the difference between the timestamp from the client and the one on the server ;) |
| 04:19.33 | JeffM | blast007: yeah this does it the other way |
| 04:19.37 | blast007 | k |
| 04:19.42 | JeffM | so betweent those 2 you can see maybe where it's getting off |
| 04:19.58 | JeffM | I had a drift of +- 0.0625 |
| 04:19.58 | Paul_PL | JeffM: thats what i did to check if it is created :/ |
| 04:20.10 | JeffM | your drive full? |
| 04:20.16 | JeffM | or any lack of permisions? |
| 04:20.35 | JeffM | and are you using any form of roving profile? |
| 04:20.41 | blast007 | really needs more RAM... |
| 04:21.00 | JeffM | blast007: DDR or DDR2? |
| 04:21.17 | blast007 | laptop |
| 04:21.25 | JeffM | same question |
| 04:21.34 | blast007 | grabs CPU-Z to check that |
| 04:21.41 | Paul_PL | none of them |
| 04:21.47 | JeffM | what CPU is it? |
| 04:21.54 | blast007 | Pentium M 1.6GHz |
| 04:21.59 | JeffM | DDR1 |
| 04:24.46 | JeffM | Paul_PL: but it is creating it.. that is odd |
| 04:24.51 | JeffM | is it trunk or branch? |
| 04:25.14 | Paul_PL | trunk |
| 04:25.27 | JeffM | built with 2005 or 2008? |
| 04:25.44 | Paul_PL | built again a few minutes before i asked with VS 2005 |
| 04:25.54 | JeffM | wierd |
| 04:26.13 | JeffM | tho even if you were on a UNC network path that works now |
| 04:26.28 | JeffM | what server were you joining? |
| 04:27.27 | Constitution | so we're requiring GSoC applicants to submit a patch before applying? |
| 04:27.41 | JeffM | yep |
| 04:27.47 | Constitution | that's a really cool idea |
| 04:27.48 | JeffM | that means you owe me 2 bugs ;) |
| 04:27.49 | Paul_PL | your dev test server :) |
| 04:27.56 | Constitution | :P |
| 04:28.22 | JeffM | wierd I connect fine |
| 04:28.50 | Paul_PL | it lists just 4 servers, I hope its normal for the svn version? |
| 04:28.55 | JeffM | it is |
| 04:29.08 | JeffM | well you can find the error message, put a breakpoint and backtrack it |
| 04:32.06 | Paul_PL | so I'll have to debug-build it again, I think I will do it after some sleep, it's 5 am in Poland now :) |
| 04:32.18 | JeffM | rest is good |
| 04:34.15 | Paul_PL | I have only the last question, utill when are we supposed to send the patch? |
| 04:34.57 | Paul_PL | *untill |
| 04:35.32 | Paul_PL | * until :) |
| 04:35.57 | *** join/#bzflag mayB (n=mayur@c-67-191-238-17.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 04:41.13 | Constitution | Paul_PL: probably just before you send in your application |
| 04:41.29 | Constitution | although I'm not a GSoC mentor |
| 04:43.29 | blast007 | well, I am a mentor, and *I* don't know the details of that ;D |
| 04:49.55 | JeffM | Paul_PL: anytime |
| 04:51.54 | JeffM | mayB: you can talk about it here |
| 04:53.59 | mayB | ok |
| 04:54.02 | mayB | is there any way of finding info about the maps .... |
| 04:54.08 | JeffM | such as? |
| 04:56.25 | mayB | industrial battle , bloodbath |
| 04:56.35 | JeffM | those are names |
| 04:56.42 | JeffM | we don't have the concept of a map name |
| 04:56.48 | JeffM | that's part of the server description |
| 04:57.00 | JeffM | and the server description is sent to the list server |
| 04:57.07 | JeffM | as is the number of players |
| 04:57.13 | JeffM | and some info about the game |
| 04:57.25 | mayB | ohhk .... i thought the server name and map name is different |
| 04:57.31 | JeffM | they may be |
| 04:57.43 | JeffM | usualy the name of the server is also in the description |
| 04:57.59 | JeffM | but when we load a world it's jsut a file, we don't have the concept of a map name |
| 04:59.09 | mayB | ok i got it |
| 05:02.31 | SportChick | brlcad: ahah, now I know why the message...it's *that* time of year :) |
| 05:02.39 | SportChick | brlcad: and hi1 happy easter to you too :) |
| 05:09.08 | *** part/#bzflag mayB (n=mayur@c-67-191-238-17.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 05:23.52 | Constitution | is a totally white screen when carrying the blindness flag an intentional change? you used to be able to see the ground |
| 05:25.37 | Constitution | now it's just RENDERER.setBlank() |
| 05:26.03 | blast007 | maybe the flag is supposed to try blinding the user |
| 05:26.18 | Constitution | this kinda does make sense |
| 05:26.18 | blast007 | "too...bright...can't..see..." |
| 05:26.21 | Constitution | heh |
| 05:28.50 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM_ (n=JeffM@pool-71-109-218-124.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 05:29.11 | blast007 | also, when you pause, textures turn off |
| 05:29.34 | blast007 | but only when you're not in the menu ;) |
| 05:31.07 | L4m3r | there should just be a pause screen that shows a lolcat or something |
| 05:31.16 | L4m3r | we could change it with every release |
| 05:31.43 | JeffM_ | yeah cus that just says 'class' ;) |
| 05:32.07 | L4m3r | suspects that JeffM_ hasn't taken a look at the player base lately |
| 05:32.08 | blast007 | JeffM_: for delta, I'm getting values close to 0 when I connect to linux servers |
| 05:32.15 | L4m3r | :P |
| 05:32.28 | blast007 | but I was gettin 3 to 9 seconds connecting to my local Windows server |
| 05:32.34 | JeffM_ | WHOA |
| 05:32.58 | L4m3r | haha, if it weren't for copyright, we could so use a paused screenie from Doom or something |
| 05:33.16 | L4m3r | that'd rule, totally. |
| 05:33.24 | JeffM_ | L4m3r, we should do what our plaers NEED not what they want ;) |
| 05:33.35 | JeffM_ | blast007, ok that is wierd |
| 05:33.40 | L4m3r | JeffM_: you can't stab people over the internet |
| 05:33.51 | JeffM_ | L4m3r, yet |
| 05:34.06 | L4m3r | or is that going to be in 3.0? |
| 05:34.12 | L4m3r | ;) |
| 05:34.15 | JeffM_ | MsgAutoStab |
| 05:34.38 | L4m3r | writes a camperStab plugin |
| 05:35.08 | JeffM_ | blast007, does the server clock not have the multi core jitter fixes maybe? |
| 05:35.18 | blast007 | JeffM_: maybe not 9, but I did just get a 4.5 second reading |
| 05:35.23 | blast007 | and the lowest I got was 3 |
| 05:35.32 | JeffM_ | wow |
| 05:35.38 | blast007 | I'm working on single core machines |
| 05:35.40 | JeffM_ | that means the clocks are very off |
| 05:35.46 | JeffM_ | laptops? |
| 05:36.01 | blast007 | laptop for the client, and the Windows server |
| 05:36.10 | blast007 | the linux servers were yours and my dedicated |
| 05:36.27 | JeffM_ | yeah I got very close to 0 with my remote server |
| 05:36.37 | JeffM_ | well I'm thinking that is the problem |
| 05:36.57 | JeffM_ | now we have to figure out why the clocks on the windows server is going all over the place |
| 05:37.17 | blast007 | guess I could try not running the server on the laptop too |
| 05:37.36 | blast007 | but I'll do that tomorrow sometime |
| 05:37.39 | JeffM_ | k |
| 05:37.49 | JeffM_ | I'll try some stuff here and at work too |
| 05:37.59 | JeffM_ | maybe it's the query performance counter thingy |
| 05:38.14 | JeffM_ | perhaps we should use tickcount for the server seconds |
| 05:52.46 | L4m3r | holy crap, how long is the tabwidth in the bz console? |
| 05:55.34 | blast007 | L4m3r: tabs aren't really supposed to be possible ;) |
| 05:55.40 | L4m3r | they work |
| 05:55.45 | L4m3r | they just seem to scale to the window |
| 05:56.02 | blast007 | I wouldn't call that "working" |
| 05:56.14 | blast007 | my point was that you can't type them from the client itself |
| 05:56.25 | L4m3r | yeah, but plugins can send them |
| 05:57.01 | blast007 | doesn't mean it's supposed to work ;) |
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| 05:58.30 | L4m3r | I know the server strips color strings out of chat... will the client recognize color strings sent by plugins? :P |
| 05:59.09 | L4m3r | (free to test genostats at dorm.l4m3r.net:5154) |
| 06:04.47 | blast007 | L4m3r: the client itself strips ANSI colors, not the server |
| 06:04.52 | blast007 | at least in 2.0.x |
| 06:04.53 | L4m3r | damn |
| 06:04.59 | L4m3r | oh well |
| 06:05.55 | L4m3r | plugin is almost done :) |
| 06:07.43 | L4m3r | well, not quite. still a couple more features to add. |
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| 13:08.40 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03bthansen * r16794 10/trunk/bzflag/src/ (bzflag/playing.cxx bzfs/MatchManager.cxx): Fix shadowed variable |
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| 13:33.03 | spldart | :-) |
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| 13:45.28 | Alesis-Novik | good day to you all |
| 13:48.29 | brlcad | howdy Alesis-Novik |
| 13:49.40 | Alesis-Novik | brlcad, thinking about how to write up the application ;) |
| 13:57.23 | brlcad | i usually find a text editor and some music help ;) |
| 13:59.27 | rtfm_ | :) |
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| 14:36.21 | CBG | textedit ftw! |
| 14:37.37 | whodaman- | even better, Appleworks! |
| 14:37.48 | whodaman- | (you can even make text colored AND underlined) |
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| 14:46.00 | Lukstr-t | hello alll |
| 14:46.34 | CBG | whodaman-: TextEdit can do that and doesn't lag the whole system. lol |
| 14:46.49 | CBG | Applewors got seriously bloated since OS X. |
| 14:47.05 | CBG | +k |
| 14:47.13 | Saturos | smultron is the better texedit |
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| 14:47.46 | Lukstr-t | silly browser irc |
| 14:47.50 | CBG | textedit does everything I want it to. :) |
| 14:48.02 | Lukstr-t | CBG: See vim |
| 14:48.03 | CBG | Lukstr-t: get a real client... |
| 14:48.16 | Lukstr-t | CBG: Have one, not on this system (at school) and I cannot install one |
| 14:48.32 | Lukstr-t | and I don't currently have a server running otherwise I'd tunnel into something. |
| 14:48.47 | CBG | ahha |
| 14:48.48 | Lukstr-t | However I did just get, for free (somebody threw it out) 4 sticks of 32mb ram |
| 14:49.02 | Lukstr-t | which means my server can come back to life! yay |
| 14:50.53 | whodaman- | CBG, text edit looks lame |
| 14:51.34 | CBG | TextEdit is everything to everyman. |
| 14:51.47 | CBG | If I ever need something else, I'm doing something wrong. |
| 14:52.12 | Lukstr-t | what is TextEdit? |
| 14:52.23 | whodaman- | the standard OS X Text editor |
| 14:52.29 | CBG | Lukstr-t: linux? unix? bsd?! |
| 14:52.48 | Lukstr-t | CBG: all of the above? |
| 14:53.00 | CBG | And not Windows? ;) |
| 14:53.01 | whodaman- | and some people need to do more than just uh write some simple words, CBG |
| 14:53.05 | Lukstr-t | Vi is the standard everything editor :D |
| 14:53.15 | CBG | whodaman-: such as? |
| 14:53.22 | whodaman- | TextEdit may do everything for YOU but trust me, it's primitive compared to others |
| 14:53.40 | Lukstr-t | CBG: Does textedit support Regexs? |
| 14:53.43 | CBG | It's simple and straightforward. It's not bloated is what it is. |
| 14:53.49 | whodaman- | k :) |
| 14:53.51 | CBG | Who the hell uses regexs anyway? |
| 14:53.52 | Lukstr-t | CBG: Vi is not bloated |
| 14:53.59 | Lukstr-t | CBG: Wow. |
| 14:54.06 | CBG | C'mon, whodaman-, give me an example. |
| 14:54.15 | Lukstr-t | I would... yeah, regexs are my life |
| 14:54.23 | CBG | Lukstr-t: I like buttons. I use OS X for a reason... |
| 14:54.44 | spldart | Heh... Buttons are your life :) |
| 14:55.01 | whodaman- | CBG, I'd rather avoid a conflict here. ;) |
| 14:55.21 | CBG | Not at all. But I do look at my screen occasionally... And sometime I like to use the awesome mouse I have. |
| 14:55.37 | Lukstr-t | Right tool for the right job, I guess, if TextEdit does it all, go for it. |
| 14:56.01 | CBG | Beats the crap out of Notepad. |
| 14:56.27 | CBG | Lord knows why people use that when Wordpad comes free with Windows too and is at least 31.4159 times better. |
| 14:56.33 | CBG | Still doesn't touch TextEdit though. |
| 14:56.44 | Lukstr-t | Which, imo, doesn't touch Vi :P |
| 14:57.29 | Lukstr-t | Whilst vi has quite the learning curve compared to wysiwyg editors, it's insanely powerful once you know it |
| 14:58.30 | Lukstr-t | not to mention it's extremely small (as in, not bloated) and fairly portable (there are versions available for most every platform) and fully customizable, to the point you can play tetris in it if you really want. |
| 14:58.51 | Lukstr-t | Hell, I think there's an plugin/script to turn it into an IRC client |
| 14:58.58 | CBG | Sounds like an unnecessary feature... BLOAT Alert! |
| 14:59.11 | Lukstr-t | CBG: You know not of which you speak! |
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| 15:02.21 | Lukstr-t | yay, did I time out? |
| 15:02.27 | CBG | yes. |
| 15:02.33 | Lukstr-t | awesome |
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| 15:28.39 | brlcad | Lukstr-t: the submission needs more detail, don't know if you intended to write more, but a heads up for you |
| 15:34.21 | Lukstr-t | brlcad: just updated it, I was hoping I could just update it whenever I want, what was *just* there was essentially placeholder for more things |
| 15:34.33 | Lukstr-t | I also plan on further updates throughout the week as time permits. |
| 15:34.39 | Lukstr-t | pretty crunchy week for me |
| 15:34.46 | Lukstr-t | anyways, it's updated and I have class. later all |
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| 16:56.53 | Lukstr-t | gsoc mentors: Is there a list of the mentors somewhere with a mapping of real names to handles? |
| 16:57.09 | JeffM | the mentor blog has them listed |
| 16:57.30 | Lukstr-t | I know of the list, but the mentors' real names aren't there, are they? |
| 16:58.05 | JeffM | well we can ask the mentors to put them in there profiles |
| 16:58.11 | JeffM | or I can tell you who is who :) |
| 16:59.12 | Lukstr-t | JeffM: Up to you :P |
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| 16:59.52 | Lukstr-t | Or at least, if the mentors would sign their handle when they leave a comment on an app it would be very appreciated :D |
| 16:59.56 | JeffM | I'll add it to the wiki |
| 17:00.18 | Lukstr-t | yay |
| 17:00.27 | JeffM | if I can remember everyone's name |
| 17:05.59 | JBdiGriz | I'll doublecheck the wiki to make sure my name is spelled correctly. |
| 17:06.33 | JeffM | JBdiGriz, I pulled it from your order from for your hoodie ;) |
| 17:06.52 | Lukstr-t | haha |
| 17:07.25 | JeffM | done |
| 17:07.25 | JBdiGriz | That doesn't guarantee that you typed it the same. :P |
| 17:07.25 | JeffM | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Google_Summer_of_Code/2008 |
| 17:07.34 | JeffM | JBdiGriz, copy/paste ;) |
| 17:07.41 | Erroneous | heh |
| 17:07.42 | Lukstr-t | danke |
| 17:07.53 | brlcad | yeah, needs to go to the end under the credits again |
| 17:08.01 | JBdiGriz | Come to think of it, I should make sure that you spelled your name correctly as well. |
| 17:08.08 | JeffM | brlcad, I put it in a metnors section |
| 17:08.46 | Lukstr-t | brlcad: now that I know who you are, I added a bunch more to my app, if you missed my message earlier before I bolted for class |
| 17:08.49 | JeffM | brlcad, at the bottom, just above the thanks |
| 17:09.05 | brlcad | Lukstr-t: I saw your message |
| 17:09.13 | Lukstr-t | okay :) |
| 17:09.23 | brlcad | and figured/hoped/presumed it was mostly just stubbed |
| 17:10.07 | Lukstr-t | brlcad: current or previous? |
| 17:10.20 | JBdiGriz | brlcad: What ever happened to MrAC? |
| 17:10.33 | brlcad | current is much better |
| 17:10.37 | JeffM | last I heard he was till tending horses |
| 17:10.42 | brlcad | JBdiGriz: he logs in from time to time |
| 17:10.47 | Lukstr-t | brlcad: ah, yes previous was stubbed :) |
| 17:10.54 | Epyon | morning all :) |
| 17:10.55 | brlcad | but doesn't code so much afaik |
| 17:11.06 | JeffM | too much poop to shovel |
| 17:11.11 | brlcad | talked to him a couple months back |
| 17:12.48 | CBG | MrAC? |
| 17:13.00 | JeffM | mebigfatguy |
| 17:13.15 | JeffM | Lukstr-t, what is your plan for testing your lib to ensure it works the same as the old one? |
| 17:14.14 | JBdiGriz | It happens to be his birthday, so I was thinking about him. |
| 17:14.31 | JeffM | lifts a glass to mr apaty cream |
| 17:14.32 | brlcad | ahh, neat |
| 17:16.55 | Lukstr-t | JeffM: old one as in how BZW related stuff currently works? |
| 17:17.00 | JeffM | yes |
| 17:17.05 | JeffM | I added a comment to the app |
| 17:17.10 | Lukstr-t | Excellent, thanks |
| 17:17.12 | JeffM | you can just factor it in there |
| 17:17.44 | Lukstr-t | Will do |
| 17:17.54 | Lukstr-t | JeffM: re: your other question, see near the bottom of the app |
| 17:18.07 | Lukstr-t | I'm dedicating the whole summer to coding, no classes or jobs |
| 17:18.32 | JeffM | I saw that you said you would have time, etc.. but you did not say you were not taking classes or jobs |
| 17:18.38 | JeffM | so I just wanted a clarifcation |
| 17:18.42 | JeffM | just add that to the app |
| 17:18.42 | Epyon | Lukstr-t, you'd better -- I made the mistake last year of planning other things :P |
| 17:18.55 | Lukstr-t | "I will most likely be available constantly throughout the day and evening, including weekends, as I am planning to dedicate the entire summer to the project, with no school or other employment to conflict." |
| 17:19.11 | JeffM | ahh |
| 17:19.14 | JeffM | nevermind :) |
| 17:19.15 | Lukstr-t | The only thing taking me away from my computer would be eating, exercise and bars :P |
| 17:19.18 | Lukstr-t | and even then |
| 17:19.21 | Lukstr-t | I have a laptop |
| 17:19.42 | JeffM | wants the shirt lady to call him back :( |
| 17:19.53 | Lukstr-t | hehe |
| 17:20.01 | Epyon | Lukstr-t, have you finished your proposal? |
| 17:20.12 | Lukstr-t | Epyon: Work in progress :P |
| 17:20.44 | JeffM | brlcad, when do you want to schedule the "shoot a mentor day"? |
| 17:20.46 | JeffM | this weekend? |
| 17:21.07 | Epyon | Lukstr-t, any chance for a peek? :D |
| 17:21.30 | Lukstr-t | Epyon: Oh, uhm... maybe I'll copy it to the wiki later |
| 17:21.38 | Lukstr-t | I'll paste the abstract though |
| 17:21.40 | Lukstr-t | in the wiki |
| 17:21.45 | brlcad | yeah, probably on saturday and sunday |
| 17:22.08 | brlcad | give them two days |
| 17:22.30 | JeffM | we should post it somewhere |
| 17:22.49 | Lukstr-t | tanks4code? |
| 17:22.50 | JeffM | we can run it on mirkwood |
| 17:23.11 | JeffM | oooh I can realy screw them up and install weaponArena :) |
| 17:23.19 | spldart | On trunk code or current stable? |
| 17:23.26 | JeffM | spldart, trunk :) |
| 17:23.31 | JeffM | that way we make sure they can build |
| 17:23.37 | spldart | Are we goin to have it stable enough by then |
| 17:23.45 | JeffM | as long as we don't do GM ;) |
| 17:23.48 | spldart | It's still doin alot of kicks |
| 17:24.04 | JeffM | spldart, well then we all debug that day :) |
| 17:24.05 | spldart | welll... kick = communication error |
| 17:24.13 | spldart | okies |
| 17:24.14 | spldart | hehe |
| 17:24.17 | JeffM | we should work on trying to fix that this week |
| 17:24.26 | spldart | Definitely |
| 17:24.35 | Lukstr-t | Epyon: http://my.bzflag.org/w/User:Lukstr#Google_Summer_of_Code_Application |
| 17:25.50 | Lukstr-t | is going to suck at the shooting mentors, as he currently builds BZFlag on a laptop, and aiming with a touchpad is lame :( |
| 17:26.09 | Erroneous | have a joystick? |
| 17:26.26 | Lukstr-t | Erroneous: yes but my laptop doesn't have a midi port :P |
| 17:26.31 | TheRedBaron | Lukstr-t: use keyboard |
| 17:26.31 | JeffM | plug in a mouse |
| 17:26.33 | Erroneous | ah, heh |
| 17:26.39 | Lukstr-t | No mouse! |
| 17:26.48 | Lukstr-t | TheRedBaron interesting |
| 17:26.50 | JeffM | wow, gameport stick, old |
| 17:27.02 | Lukstr-t | I have a Wingman 2 I think |
| 17:27.43 | Lukstr-t | Wingman 1 actually, http://www.jankowski.ca/forsale/computerhardware/logitech%20wingman%20joystick%20with%20throttle%20control.jpg |
| 17:27.53 | Lukstr-t | Tie Fighter <3 |
| 17:28.02 | Epyon | Tie Fighter <3 |
| 17:29.20 | Lukstr-t | I guess I'll have to get good at the keyboard then :P |
| 17:29.31 | Lukstr-t | anyways, I'm off for the afternoon. Later all |
| 17:31.08 | JBdiGriz | goes to recompile the latest trunk, and plans on running within gdb from the laptop |
| 17:31.23 | JeffM | JBdiGriz, did I get your name right? ;) |
| 17:31.46 | JBdiGriz | It looks like you got everyone right. :D |
| 17:41.37 | JeffM | it helped that most of you had purchased something from the store |
| 17:42.51 | JBdiGriz | Or were offered for sale within the store? |
| 17:43.04 | JeffM | he purrchased something too ;) |
| 17:43.15 | JeffM | and didn't you hear |
| 17:43.36 | JeffM | if a student finishes early, brlcad is going to have them go and just do all those kisses he has to give out. |
| 17:44.16 | JBdiGriz | I will have to do some more recruiting for GSoC, and see if I can convince some of those kissable students to apply. |
| 17:44.31 | Epyon | kissable? |
| 17:45.04 | JBdiGriz | leaves interpretations up to the imaginative minds around here. |
| 17:45.16 | Epyon | D: |
| 17:45.57 | JeffM | I can just see the horibly inapropriate comments in the application now "and how Hot would you say you are?" |
| 17:46.41 | spldart | :-x |
| 17:46.57 | Epyon | JeffM, or "Mandatory reallife picture while playing bzflag?" :P |
| 17:47.00 | JeffM | spldart's name as the only one I had to go dig for :) |
| 17:47.07 | JeffM | Epyon, oh god no |
| 17:47.12 | Epyon | xP |
| 17:47.19 | spldart | :( |
| 17:47.20 | JBdiGriz | spldart: Go buy something from the store, right now! |
| 17:47.22 | JeffM | we'd have to bind "put pants on" to F7 |
| 17:47.33 | JeffM | JBdiGriz, he had it in his google profile |
| 17:47.38 | CBG | you might. some of us wear belts |
| 17:47.57 | JBdiGriz | So you don't want him to buy something from the store? |
| 17:48.17 | spldart | I'm waiting for my tax return.. then I'm buying and buying and buying |
| 17:48.32 | CBG | Is there a poster in the store? |
| 17:48.38 | brlcad | heh |
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| 17:48.48 | JBdiGriz | That's way too sensible. Most people spend money they don't have yet. ;) |
| 17:49.03 | JeffM | CBG, no, but it's been talked about |
| 17:49.09 | spldart | Who says I haven't ;-) |
| 17:49.23 | JeffM | I can get them decently cheap if we print 250 of em :) |
| 17:49.30 | CBG | I'm i the market for posters at the moment... Might consider a BZ one for the right prize if it's a nice design. |
| 17:49.47 | JeffM | what would the "right price" be? |
| 17:49.53 | JBdiGriz | CBG: What is the right design? |
| 17:49.58 | CBG | <£5 |
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| 17:50.26 | MyLittleChainsaw | yo |
| 17:50.30 | CBG | Can't say what the right design would be... Something that catches my eye. Get Saturos to do it and it'll most likely be "the perfect design". |
| 17:50.52 | JeffM | so close to 8$ |
| 17:50.58 | spldart | 250 seems excessive a count to get sold |
| 17:51.02 | JeffM | CBG, with or with out shiping |
| 17:51.08 | JeffM | spldart, indeed |
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| 17:51.39 | JeffM | many printers don't want to do short run stuff |
| 17:51.43 | CBG | Say, $10 inc. shipping. Which probably isn't worth your while for international customers. |
| 17:51.45 | spldart | wonders the price @ 50 units |
| 17:51.52 | JeffM | CBG, can not be done |
| 17:51.53 | spldart | out the store |
| 17:52.11 | JeffM | spldart, I can't get an offset printer do do 50 |
| 17:52.22 | JeffM | it would not be worth the cost of the setup |
| 17:52.37 | JeffM | a poster would have to sell for 10$ |
| 17:52.39 | CBG | Guessed Not. I can get posters of popular TV shows and movies for £2.99 inc. delivery from play.com so those would win over a BZ poster costing >$10. |
| 17:52.40 | spldart | thought so |
| 17:52.45 | CBG | goes to put the peas on. |
| 17:52.49 | JeffM | and it's 11$ to ship it |
| 17:53.00 | JBdiGriz | What's the cost of printing on a poster printer at Kinko's? |
| 17:53.12 | JeffM | haven't checked |
| 17:53.26 | spldart | Guess I'll just have to use the shops HP DesignJet 110 plus to make me a poster |
| 17:53.27 | brlcad | peas on CBG |
| 17:53.33 | whodaman- | ew? |
| 17:53.34 | JeffM | it was over 10$ for computer prints at some online places |
| 17:53.38 | JBdiGriz | It's probably more than $10, but you can do any size run you want. |
| 17:54.52 | JeffM | I mean if we wanted to bonkers, I can do those big stick on wall graphcis too ;) |
| 17:56.48 | JBdiGriz | I'm thinking about special runs, since the economics don't make sense for the store. |
| 17:57.19 | JeffM | mayhaps |
| 17:57.27 | JeffM | figured I'd see how the shirts sold first :) |
| 17:57.46 | JeffM | since techincaly we are "tapped out" on the cash front untill I sell the shirts |
| 17:59.19 | JBdiGriz | Luckily, you have sold a few of the shirts. |
| 17:59.30 | JeffM | I have only sold hoodies |
| 17:59.46 | JeffM | and we have 0 margin on those |
| 17:59.57 | JeffM | but yeah, we'll sell a number of the shirts |
| 18:00.11 | JeffM | Erroneous bests we'll sell out of the major sizes in a week |
| 18:00.14 | JeffM | bets |
| 18:01.46 | JeffM | the lady from the shirt place left me a message this morning, and I called back and left her a message but she hasn't called back yet :( |
| 18:01.47 | spldart | Poop... If that's the case I'm hosed.. I bet XL is very popular |
| 18:01.56 | spldart | Yay phone tag |
| 18:02.16 | JeffM | spldart, you were going to wait to get one right? |
| 18:02.22 | JBdiGriz | It looks like 24"x36" posters are $1.50 apiece in quantities of 500. :D |
| 18:02.30 | spldart | prolly 4 weeks.. maybe less |
| 18:02.40 | JeffM | spldart, we'll probably hve a reprint by then |
| 18:02.48 | spldart | Hrm |
| 18:02.50 | JeffM | JBdiGriz, yeah they get REALY cheap in qunatity |
| 18:02.51 | spldart | kew |
| 18:03.45 | JeffM | reminds brlcad to find out where google gets there shirts done ;) |
| 18:05.34 | JBdiGriz | Perhaps we should have a promotion. Buy a BZFlag CD, get a poster. |
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| 18:06.22 | JeffM | or just give them out ;) |
| 18:07.02 | JBdiGriz | You could work it like saleaday.com. The merchandise is free, but the shipping is $5. |
| 18:07.42 | JeffM | 5$ is what shipping woudl cost |
| 18:07.58 | JBdiGriz | Make it $7.50 then. ;) |
| 18:07.59 | JeffM | basicly if we sell something at cost, we loose money |
| 18:09.27 | JeffM | we'll see |
| 18:09.38 | JeffM | it'd have to be a REALY good design to print 500 :) |
| 18:09.50 | JeffM | the next thing I'd actualy like to do would be a mug |
| 18:10.15 | JeffM | I can get those for about 8.50 if we do like 20 of em |
| 18:10.32 | JBdiGriz | With the heat sensitive ink, so that it is firing popcorn balls when you fill it with coffee? |
| 18:10.41 | JeffM | hah |
| 18:10.51 | brlcad | mugs are heavy to lug around |
| 18:11.09 | JBdiGriz | Buy 2, then you don't have to lug them around. |
| 18:11.50 | JBdiGriz | has his mug next to the machine right now. |
| 18:12.21 | TheRedBaron | woah - we have bzmugs? |
| 18:12.28 | JeffM | no |
| 18:12.33 | brlcad | i mean the boxes that *you* would have to lug around if you took them somewhere :) |
| 18:12.34 | JeffM | we coudl make bzmugs |
| 18:12.48 | JeffM | brlcad, I woudl just sell them from here |
| 18:12.50 | JBdiGriz | You could get the beer stein sized mug. That might be a little more appealing to some. |
| 18:13.29 | spldart | I'd be in on a mug. |
| 18:13.38 | JeffM | I may do stickers via cafepress too |
| 18:14.02 | JBdiGriz | JeffM: I'm impressed by your market research skills. |
| 18:14.06 | ts | JeffM: Out of curiousity, how many people have already bought a shirt? |
| 18:14.22 | JeffM | ts, 0 |
| 18:14.27 | ts | Eww |
| 18:14.29 | JeffM | they are nto for sale yet |
| 18:14.37 | JeffM | as I do not have them yet |
| 18:14.41 | JBdiGriz | Just presales. |
| 18:14.48 | JeffM | and we only presold hoodies |
| 18:15.01 | ts | I read that "Sold out" sticker and thought "Wow" |
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| 18:15.24 | ts | JeffM: Please let me know when navy blues are available. |
| 18:15.55 | JeffM | ts, next printing |
| 18:16.42 | ts | That would be when? |
| 18:16.48 | ts | 2 weeks approx? |
| 18:16.53 | JeffM | dunno |
| 18:16.55 | JeffM | when we sell enough |
| 18:17.08 | ts | ok |
| 18:17.13 | spldart | Poop.. the first run is the charcoals and second navy blue? |
| 18:17.49 | donny_baker | hehe... never realized i didn't know blast007's real name :P |
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| 18:18.21 | JeffM | spldart, during any printing I can print any color |
| 18:18.34 | spldart | Whew :) |
| 18:19.33 | JeffM | I had 6 different colors printed this time |
| 18:19.38 | JeffM | just MOST of them were charcoal |
| 18:20.38 | JeffM | 10 colors techincaly if you count the custom items that were't the normal shirt |
| 18:21.55 | JeffM | basicly I have to make 190$ then we can do a second printing |
| 18:22.28 | spldart | finds it difficult to be patient for his tax return :( |
| 18:22.54 | JeffM | so if we sell like 18 shirts I can do another printing |
| 18:23.29 | JeffM | and I know of 5 regulars that will sell |
| 18:24.18 | blast007 | donny_baker: heh :) |
| 18:24.50 | spldart | from now till the second printing all the bz store is selling is shirts and custom order hoodies? |
| 18:25.12 | JeffM | the custom order hoodies are closed |
| 18:25.17 | JeffM | so it'll just be shirts |
| 18:25.18 | spldart | oh yeah |
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| 18:25.35 | JeffM | once we know that we'll be doing another printing the hoodies will be open again |
| 18:25.39 | JeffM | cus I can always add them on |
| 18:26.17 | JeffM | actualy I know we can do a second printing |
| 18:26.22 | JeffM | we have the money for the hoodies |
| 18:26.30 | JeffM | and I have to spend 87$ shipping them |
| 18:26.37 | JeffM | and we have 250$ in money now |
| 18:26.52 | JeffM | so I only have to sell 3 shirts to get enough to do a printing |
| 18:26.58 | JeffM | and I know I'm buying 2 |
| 18:27.12 | jwir3 | bzflag shirts? |
| 18:27.15 | JeffM | yes |
| 18:27.17 | spldart | I know I'll be buying 2 but like I said thats down the road 2 to 4 weeks orso |
| 18:27.18 | jwir3 | cool |
| 18:27.22 | JeffM | and a couple others I know are being osld |
| 18:27.26 | spldart | and maybe a hoodie |
| 18:27.30 | spldart | when they become avail |
| 18:27.35 | JeffM | like winny's and donnys and Constitution's |
| 18:27.38 | jwir3 | what do they look like? |
| 18:27.46 | JeffM | so yeah we should no matter what have enough for a second printing |
| 18:27.50 | JeffM | jwir3, store.bzflag.org |
| 18:27.54 | jwir3 | oh ok thx |
| 18:28.03 | JeffM | they should go on sale next week |
| 18:28.09 | JeffM | they are being printed now |
| 18:28.21 | ts | you mean store.bzflag.bz |
| 18:28.23 | JeffM | actualy they better be printed by now, today is my fithday |
| 18:28.34 | JeffM | ts, .org goes to .bz now |
| 18:28.54 | ts | Ah, changed? ;) |
| 18:29.02 | JeffM | 2 weeks ago ;) |
| 18:29.08 | JeffM | or maybe a week ago |
| 18:29.49 | JeffM | that reminds me. I have to aranage for the models |
| 18:30.54 | jwir3 | models for the shirts? |
| 18:30.56 | jwir3 | cool |
| 18:31.38 | spldart | Speaking of suggestive applications >;-] |
| 18:31.41 | donny_baker | JeffM: make the model for my shirt a blonde :P |
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| 18:32.45 | JBdiGriz | 4 warnings in the build, all from SDL. Someone has been doing some good work on the trunk. |
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| 18:34.01 | spldart | built up 16794 this morn on windows and linux and all went well too :) |
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| 19:09.46 | Winny | waves |
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| 19:18.39 | JeffM | donny_baker, I'm doing my best |
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| 19:22.22 | spldart | He has quite a task after all. He has to navigate the waters of the Great Material Continuum, avoid the shoals of bankruptcy and seek the strong winds of prosperity. |
| 19:23.12 | JeffM | JBdiGriz, yes dtr, blast, and lr3mr have bene banging on it a bit |
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| 19:28.45 | JBdiGriz | It never hurts to notice good work. Thanks for the "banging"! ;) |
| 19:29.08 | JeffM | innded much thanks to them |
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| 20:15.06 | JeffM | what powers you ask? I dunno,how about the power of FLIGHT? that do anything for ya? That's levetation homes. How about the power to kill a yac from 200 yards away? With mind bullets.. Tha'ts telekensis Kyle!.. |
| 20:16.16 | blast007 | k |
| 20:16.29 | JeffM | how about.. the power |
| 20:16.34 | JeffM | to move you |
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| 20:16.54 | JeffM | chaoscon, what's up with the recontects? |
| 20:17.39 | chaoscon | broken ipv6 somewhere |
| 20:17.58 | chaoscon | Im trying to figure out where along the path I am getting bumped |
| 20:18.07 | CBG | JeffM: the D rule. |
| 20:18.11 | blast007 | too many addresses! |
| 20:18.16 | chaoscon | heh |
| 20:27.37 | Erroneous | posts a news item regarding soc on b.o |
| 20:27.43 | JeffM | whoot |
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| 20:28.10 | JeffM | realises that he didn't actualy implment tool subpostion markers as he tries to document it |
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| 20:44.34 | BladeBuddy | Hello? |
| 20:44.37 | Winny | hi |
| 20:44.44 | AHA | hi |
| 20:44.55 | Winny | JeffM: you have a 8800GT, right? |
| 20:45.11 | BladeBuddy | I've never been on the irc part of /bb... |
| 20:45.12 | BladeBuddy | I've never been on the irc part of /bb... |
| 20:45.23 | BladeBuddy | eh... sry, |
| 20:45.25 | JeffM | BladeBuddy, whoa dude, one enter is fine ;) |
| 20:45.28 | JeffM | Winny, yes |
| 20:45.36 | BladeBuddy | it got stuck :P |
| 20:45.41 | Winny | JeffM: ever ran BZFlag with it on 2560x1600? |
| 20:45.43 | JeffM | I'm sure it did |
| 20:45.50 | JeffM | Winny, 1920x1200 |
| 20:45.55 | Winny | I assume it runs fine? |
| 20:45.58 | JeffM | yeah |
| 20:46.11 | Winny | yay |
| 20:46.20 | BladeBuddy | hi Tedius |
| 20:46.32 | Tedius | hi |
| 20:47.12 | TheRedBaron | JeffM: 256 or 512 version? |
| 20:47.18 | JeffM | 512 |
| 20:47.36 | JeffM | I had a 7800GTX before, so the 256 one would have been pointless |
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| 20:51.01 | BladeBuddy | is it still working: cause i can't see any text... |
| 20:51.29 | Winny | heh |
| 20:51.36 | whodaman- | BladeBuddy, the channel doesn't show text every second |
| 20:51.37 | Winny | IRC is not like AIM |
| 20:51.46 | Winny | people drift in and out |
| 20:51.52 | whodaman- | Winny, AIM doesn't show text every second either :) |
| 20:51.53 | BladeBuddy | who said i thought it WAS like AIM? |
| 20:52.21 | BladeBuddy | W8, what does the name in orange mean??? |
| 20:52.44 | Winny | probably means the person highlighted you or something |
| 20:53.15 | BladeBuddy | if u say |
| 20:54.06 | BladeBuddy | of, its probly cause the person said my nickname as the first word |
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| 20:54.18 | Winny | wintest: ping |
| 20:54.25 | Winny | Yes, it means someone highlighted you |
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| 20:55.43 | BladeBuddy | Can any1 tell me how to change channells? |
| 20:56.01 | JeffM | depends what channel you want to go to |
| 20:56.12 | JeffM | the webchat only allows specific ones |
| 20:56.14 | Winny | /join #newchannel ... but CGI:IRC limits you |
| 20:56.21 | Winny | bah, beaten by jeff again.. :( |
| 20:56.30 | BladeBuddy | lol |
| 20:56.51 | JeffM | gets his damned customs forms so he can send out Winny's hoodie |
| 20:56.57 | Winny | hehe |
| 20:57.47 | BladeBuddy | by all |
| 20:58.23 | JeffM | thankfully it came with the 50 tyvek bags for the other things :) |
| 20:58.57 | Winny | darn, I didn't make your life difficult ;) |
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| 21:00.43 | Winny | JeffM: I assume that means the shirts are printed? |
| 21:00.48 | JeffM | no |
| 21:00.52 | Winny | aww |
| 21:00.57 | JeffM | it just means that I got my order from USPS ;) |
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| 21:04.32 | Winny | hmm |
| 21:04.46 | Winny | wonders if you can put any other videocards then the ones on apple's site into the mac pro |
| 21:04.50 | JeffM | is on the phone whith them now |
| 21:05.15 | JeffM | Winny, then need a mac bios usualy |
| 21:06.18 | JeffM | so they don't start in text mode etc.. |
| 21:07.54 | JeffM | i've done it, but it's a pita |
| 21:08.04 | Winny | darn |
| 21:08.05 | JeffM | shirts will ship on thursday |
| 21:08.36 | JeffM | basicly on the video card, it has to be a card that has a mac version, and you have to get ahold of the mac bios for it, and flash it |
| 21:09.02 | JeffM | so I should get the shirts on the first |
| 21:09.11 | Winny | yay |
| 21:09.11 | JeffM | maybe second |
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| 21:11.06 | TheRedBaron | is there a procedure to compilining bzfs plugins? other than entering the plugin dir after ./configure and typing make, make install? |
| 21:11.58 | JeffM | it involves a chicken |
| 21:12.15 | TheRedBaron | hold on then - gotta run to the neighbor's yard then. |
| 21:14.26 | TheRedBaron | ok chicken aquired. Do I need to sit the chicken on the computer - or in the computer? |
| 21:14.58 | TheRedBaron | and can I use duck-tape to hold the chicken in place - or will I need 'chick-tape' ? |
| 21:16.36 | whodaman- | hehe |
| 21:22.33 | torghul | can someone help me? where can i find the VS plugin to adopt vi & emacs settings from source files? |
| 21:22.58 | jftsang | you're on the wrong channel |
| 21:24.03 | torghul | someone mentioned it here a few days ago so...i wondered if i can get help |
| 21:24.04 | TheRedBaron | I'm guessing there is no special procedure. make/make install works. Do I need to build the plugins before building bzfs? |
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| 21:30.04 | jftsang | is there any "Tower Defence" plugin? |
| 21:30.51 | jftsang | or any way to implement this without plugin |
| 21:31.29 | jftsang | an attacking team starts off with a certain flag, and has to work their way up to a base in a defended area |
| 21:32.11 | jftsang | we could do something like BZSoccer, except that the attackers would spawn inside the castle |
| 21:37.58 | Erroneous | sure, spawn zones and flag zones |
| 21:38.21 | Winny | inferno did something like that once |
| 21:38.26 | Winny | not sure if he finished |
| 21:46.40 | jftsang | yeah |
| 21:46.52 | jftsang | but with spawn zones, you still spawn in base to start |
| 21:53.14 | Winny | /set _freeCTFSpawns IIRC |
| 21:53.16 | Winny | or something like that |
| 21:54.05 | TheRedBaron | catay: pingy? |
| 22:03.09 | TheRedBaron | Pimpinella: ping |
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| 22:21.59 | TheRedBaron | is: -loadplugin /path/to/recordmatch.la valid? |
| 22:24.15 | JeffM | la? shold it not be .so? |
| 22:24.37 | brlcad | la is not valid |
| 22:24.42 | brlcad | that's a libtool archive |
| 22:25.00 | TheRedBaron | figured. |
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| 22:34.07 | queenannsrvnge9 | hi |
| 22:34.20 | brlcad | hello queenannsrvnge9 |
| 22:34.21 | JeffM | hello |
| 22:34.28 | queenannsrvnge9 | hello |
| 22:34.32 | brlcad | hi |
| 22:34.56 | queenannsrvnge9 | i just started this |
| 22:34.58 | queenannsrvnge9 | its cool |
| 22:34.58 | TheRedBaron | so where does one educate himself on compiling plugins? |
| 22:35.18 | JeffM | TheRedBaron, well a number of universities have good computer science programs.. |
| 22:35.18 | brlcad | TheRedBaron: read the readme in plugins? :) |
| 22:36.27 | TheRedBaron | brlcad: I did, I must be denser then I thought |
| 22:36.44 | TheRedBaron | "Replace every occurance of the term recordmatch in every file in here with the name of your project." |
| 22:37.00 | JeffM | TheRedBaron, not for the specific plugin |
| 22:37.04 | JeffM | in the plugins dir |
| 22:37.12 | JeffM | the ones for each plugin are generics |
| 22:37.17 | JeffM | auto generated from the sample |
| 22:40.23 | queenannsrvnge9 | how do i register for this? |
| 22:40.39 | TheRedBaron | JeffM: there is no readme in /plugins |
| 22:40.42 | Winny | for what? IRC? or BZFlag? |
| 22:40.46 | queenannsrvnge9 | IRC |
| 22:40.57 | Winny | /msg nickserv register <password> |
| 22:41.15 | queenannsrvnge9 | where is that?.. |
| 22:41.22 | queenannsrvnge9 | oh |
| 22:41.23 | JeffM | TheRedBaron, trunk or branch |
| 22:41.23 | queenannsrvnge9 | i c |
| 22:41.29 | SportChick | queenannsrvnge9: it's highly recommended that you set your nick up according to this faq - http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup |
| 22:41.42 | queenannsrvnge9 | thanks |
| 22:41.42 | TheRedBaron | JeffM: in regular 2.0.10 source |
| 22:42.32 | brlcad | there's a script that does it for you |
| 22:42.49 | brlcad | newplug.sh |
| 22:43.01 | brlcad | that copies the same and uses whatever name you want to give your plugin |
| 22:43.10 | donny_baker | is startled by the sudden appearence of SportChick :P |
| 22:43.35 | SportChick | (or where) |
| 22:43.37 | SportChick | donny_baker: heh, you never know when I might pop up ;) |
| 22:43.46 | JeffM | brlcad, he's trying to build regular ones |
| 22:43.53 | Winny | SportChick! :D |
| 22:43.56 | Winny | hugs SportChick |
| 22:44.31 | JeffM | TheRedBaron, did you configure with --enable-plugins and --enable-shared ? |
| 22:44.35 | JeffM | or somethign like that |
| 22:45.32 | brlcad | hugs the SportChick |
| 22:45.45 | brlcad | JeffM: regular ones? |
| 22:45.48 | SportChick | hugs Winny & brlcad |
| 22:45.55 | Winny | :) |
| 22:45.58 | brlcad | regular plugins as opposed to .. what are nonregular plugins? |
| 22:46.01 | JeffM | he is trying to build the plugins that are in the source tree |
| 22:46.08 | JeffM | as opoised to a new one he is writing |
| 22:46.09 | brlcad | ahh, er huh? |
| 22:46.11 | brlcad | make? :) |
| 22:46.13 | JeffM | yeah |
| 22:46.14 | JeffM | make |
| 22:46.21 | JeffM | and it's not flying for him |
| 22:46.23 | brlcad | ah, maybe on branch |
| 22:46.26 | brlcad | --enable-shared |
| 22:46.27 | JeffM | yes branch |
| 22:46.35 | TheRedBaron | yea its --enable-shared |
| 22:46.36 | JeffM | TheRedBaron, how did you run configure? |
| 22:46.38 | brlcad | head does it right |
| 22:46.48 | brlcad | branch is fuxored |
| 22:47.10 | TheRedBaron | i'm recompiling - with --prefix=/path/of/choice --disable-client --enable-shared |
| 22:47.34 | TheRedBaron | it would be nice if ./configure -h or --help revealed that |
| 22:48.51 | JeffM | TheRedBaron, well the build system on branch is older, much work as been done on it in trunk |
| 22:49.04 | JeffM | it has nice things like "hey building with plugins" |
| 22:50.01 | JeffM | you have to remember, the API and plugins were kind of tacked onto the 2.0 branch midway thru, so it's build system was never really made for it |
| 22:50.13 | TheRedBaron | I'll remember |
| 22:50.23 | JeffM | they redid it for 3.0 to have pluginsupport from the gorund up |
| 22:50.50 | Erroneous | wow, SportChick! :) |
| 22:51.06 | queenannsrvnge9 | thanks, im registered |
| 22:51.08 | Erroneous | aw, she left already |
| 22:51.22 | TheRedBaron | entering /plugins and running 'make' is rather deceptive. |
| 22:54.44 | queenannsrvnge9 | huh? |
| 22:59.54 | donny_baker | queenannsrvnge9: she has checked in.. but she can never leave |
| 23:00.16 | donny_baker | you'll see IRC is kinda like Hotel California |
| 23:01.01 | *** join/#bzflag spldart (n=vircuser@c-98-197-19-35.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) |
| 23:01.02 | queenannsrvnge9 | lol |
| 23:01.29 | Winny | donny_baker, you mean she has checked out? |
| 23:02.17 | donny_baker | nah... like the song.. you can check-in but you can never leave... nevermind it's probably before your time :P |
| 23:02.29 | donny_baker | right checkout |
| 23:02.32 | Winny | see |
| 23:02.33 | Winny | :P |
| 23:02.41 | donny_baker | had it wrong when I was humming it to myself |
| 23:03.39 | Pimpinella | TheRedBaron: pong |
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| 23:05.39 | Pimpinella | TheRedBaron: oh, the -loadplugin *.la question? |
| 23:05.48 | TheRedBaron | Pimpinella: My question has answered. Sorry to bother you :( |
| 23:05.50 | TheRedBaron | Pimpinella: yes |
| 23:05.52 | TheRedBaron | sorry |
| 23:06.02 | TheRedBaron | ~pimpinella++ |
| 23:06.06 | whodaman- | :P |
| 23:06.07 | Pimpinella | you're always welcome :) |
| 23:06.07 | TheRedBaron | because your amazing anyway :) |
| 23:06.39 | Pimpinella | hope your fine, greeting to yur wife ;) |
| 23:07.35 | TheRedBaron | I'm doing great - Thanks. I will pass your greetings on :) |
| 23:09.58 | queenannsrvnge9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.01 | queenannsrvnge9 | so what are some plug in commands? |
| 23:12.26 | JeffM | what do you mean by commands? |
| 23:15.56 | queenannsrvnge9 | nvm |
| 23:16.24 | queenannsrvnge9 | gtg |
| 23:16.26 | queenannsrvnge9 | bye |
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| 23:21.54 | jwir3 | hi everyone |
| 23:24.58 | brlcad | hello jwir3 |
| 23:25.12 | Winny | ponders reminding brlcad of drupal |
| 23:25.15 | Winny | ;) |
| 23:26.35 | TheRedBaron | drupal for? |
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| 23:27.01 | jwir3 | hey brlcad |
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| 23:40.30 | Rebel | HELLO? |
| 23:41.03 | AHA | HI |
| 23:41.25 | spldart | WHY ARE WE YELLING GREETINGS? |
| 23:41.31 | jwir3 | lol |
| 23:41.32 | spldart | :) |
| 23:42.00 | Rebel | umm i need to know how to become an admin |
| 23:42.20 | AHA | It is usually a good idea to not ask for admin permissions |
| 23:42.27 | Rebel | oh ok |
| 23:42.46 | Winny | Rebel: You asked us this 2 days ago |
| 23:42.50 | Winny | the anwser is not going to change. |
| 23:42.58 | spldart | Quick and easy... Host your own server... Or.. Play for years and be a good trustworthy guy |
| 23:43.13 | spldart | Second option may or may not pay off |
| 23:43.20 | Rebel | u guys are dum dums |
| 23:43.27 | spldart | Why do you want to admin? |
| 23:43.34 | Rebel | fat headers |
| 23:43.50 | Rebel | leghave uglies |
| 23:43.57 | Winny | Rebel: If you have nothing constructive to add, please leave |
| 23:44.04 | spldart | w0rd |
| 23:44.21 | jwir3 | lol |
| 23:44.22 | Rebel | stupidfsa craucky poodsmnufgndjdsdvmdfjkvmdflvndfnsvjnfjinj |
| 23:44.34 | Winny | pokes JeffM |
| 23:45.01 | Rebel | im back srry lol my little bro is dumb |
| 23:45.04 | CBG | He can't even insult us without looking like a total moron. |
| 23:45.06 | jwir3 | that'll teach 'em not to let you admin... just spit out a bunch of random characters |
| 23:45.11 | jwir3 | lol |
| 23:45.30 | Rebel | oh my goodness i could have giotte banned |
| 23:45.36 | spldart | So.. I hear being an admin is beyond many's grasp intellectually... |
| 23:45.36 | Epyon | Most recent bz code is in the trunk? |
| 23:45.42 | Epyon | Or in a branch? |
| 23:45.54 | Rebel | lol hes trying to mess me up cause i made him get off |
| 23:45.57 | Epyon | (just making sure) |
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| 23:46.31 | Rebel | i dont know hes an idiot |
| 23:46.47 | whodaman- | TheRedBaron, nice server... great lag for me |
| 23:46.51 | whodaman- | ~theredbaron++ |
| 23:46.56 | Epyon | trunk it is |
| 23:46.56 | Rebel | ill be back i have a little sister im gonna go wrestle him down |
| 23:47.13 | Rebel | my sister might mess with you guys |
| 23:47.22 | Winny | heh |
| 23:47.22 | whodaman- | . |
| 23:47.24 | Winny | then sign off |
| 23:47.55 | Epyon | Winny, is there a server that works with trunk bzf currently running? |
| 23:48.09 | Winny | Epyon: why would I know? :P |
| 23:48.13 | spldart | There are usually like 4 trunk servers or so |
| 23:48.16 | Epyon | Maybe you do :/ |
| 23:48.56 | spldart | There's 4 trunk servers right now and I'm gonna restart mine :) |
| 23:49.07 | Epyon | Found 1 :P |
| 23:53.19 | spldart | what's up with the whatTimeIsIt messages in trunkclient? |
| 23:53.26 | JeffM | spldart, debugin |
| 23:53.29 | JeffM | what is your delta? |
| 23:53.32 | spldart | oohh |
| 23:53.37 | JeffM | please say close to 0 |
| 23:53.38 | spldart | umm... |
| 23:53.43 | spldart | lemme check my log |
| 23:53.57 | JeffM | we have some DR issues with servers, so I have it loging out the timestamp error |
| 23:54.08 | JeffM | it is suposed to be very close to 0 |
| 23:54.34 | spldart | poop... it's not goin int the log... but I did noticed it was ever slowly increasing |
| 23:54.44 | Epyon | JeffM, why does windowed BZF still reset the whole screen when exiting? |
| 23:54.54 | JeffM | Epyon, cus of a gamma blank |
| 23:54.57 | spldart | I can mess around on it again and watch the numbers |
| 23:55.02 | JeffM | spldart, please do |
| 23:55.05 | Epyon | Duh, that's annoying :? |
| 23:55.11 | JeffM | Epyon, it's how it works |
| 23:55.22 | JeffM | the gamma is set for the screen not the window |
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| 23:55.34 | JeffM | I've never seen a card that can mix gammas |
| 23:55.45 | JeffM | unless we did it ourselves with shaders ( eww ) |
| 23:55.51 | Epyon | ewww :P |
| 23:56.45 | Epyon | JeffM, vector/math code should go to lib3D? |
| 23:56.50 | JeffM | Epyon, no |
| 23:56.54 | JeffM | libCommon |
| 23:57.00 | JeffM | lib3d is drawing |
| 23:57.05 | JeffM | everyone needs math |
| 23:57.07 | JeffM | ;) |
| 23:57.07 | Epyon | kk |
| 23:57.20 | JeffM | or even make libMath, I don't care |
| 23:57.28 | JeffM | but not 3d |
| 23:59.03 | spldart | Ok.. variance of 0.012 to -0.014 is what I just observed after watching moving grabbing and dropping flags and shooting |
| 23:59.35 | JeffM | that's not bad |
| 23:59.39 | JeffM | it can bounce around there |
| 23:59.48 | JeffM | basicly it's ok if it bounces around within a lag time |
