| 00:00.23 | spldart | I believe I have fully updated: bzflag.6.in, bzfs.conf and bzfs_conf.html. Where would you like them? |
| 00:00.26 | Rebel | so how do i start ill pickmodeler and text editor together |
| 00:00.42 | JeffM2501 | Rebel, read all of the wiki page first |
| 00:00.45 | Rebel | if thats ok |
| 00:00.51 | Rebel | k thank you |
| 00:00.55 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/w/Category:Map_Making |
| 00:01.06 | Constitution | spldart: patch @ SF |
| 00:01.09 | JeffM2501 | spldart, please |
| 00:01.26 | spldart | Any have a link off the cuff.. otherwise I will google to it |
| 00:01.57 | Constitution | go to sourceforge.net, search for "bzflag" ;) |
| 00:01.59 | blast007 | http://sf.net/projects/bzflag/ |
| 00:02.04 | spldart | thankies |
| 00:02.10 | blast007 | then under trackers |
| 00:03.15 | spldart | hrm? |
| 00:03.31 | pacman87 | Constitution: re cheating, i think most of the obvious cheats will be solved in moving the state serverside, but the more suble ones will be harder to prevent |
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| 00:04.04 | Rebel | map making is a very difficult aspect for me. |
| 00:04.11 | spldart | what link do I use and do I need to create an account? |
| 00:05.01 | Rebel | i wouldnt mind making one just so many things could go wrong and my computer probably wouldnt b able to hold all of these things |
| 00:05.30 | pacman87 | subtle cheats where the player has more information than everyone else, such as bullet paths and tank headings on radar |
| 00:05.47 | Rebel | but the wiki page makes it better if you read it twice.i might need help with all this map making |
| 00:06.15 | spldart | Oh.. under tracker drop down box click patch... But do I need to create an account before I do so? |
| 00:06.18 | Constitution | pacman87: indeed. certain enhancements have nothing to do with the server or network, like aiming enhancements, for instance |
| 00:06.47 | pacman87 | describe these aiming enhancements |
| 00:06.51 | Constitution | and shot paths, like you said... stuff that could be easily attributed to a very skilled player |
| 00:07.14 | pacman87 | couldn't the shot direction be checked agianst the player's heading? |
| 00:07.53 | Constitution | aiming enhancements aren't restricted to altering shot directions without moving the tank ;) |
| 00:08.38 | pacman87 | describe how it could theoretically work, cause i'm not seeing it |
| 00:10.01 | pacman87 | also, re lag compensation from earlier, a quantum tank cloud could be an intersting (non-useful) lag visualization, where the size of the cloud shows the uncertainty in the tank's position |
| 00:10.44 | Constitution | as in, the client ascertains the position of an enemy tank, turns the tank and fires on its own, without user intervention |
| 00:10.57 | pacman87 | ah, so a cyborg type thing |
| 00:11.03 | Constitution | yeah |
| 00:11.34 | pacman87 | that would require some fairly advanced AI programming, methinks |
| 00:11.50 | pacman87 | to know when the AI takes over, and when the human plays |
| 00:12.06 | Constitution | probably too difficult to implement |
| 00:12.10 | pacman87 | though i think it'd be more useful to have the AI part do your dodging |
| 00:12.19 | pacman87 | where if you're in the way of a shot, it takes control |
| 00:12.26 | pacman87 | and doesnt' let you get yourself killed |
| 00:12.38 | Constitution | note that bots never miss a shot at a jumping tank :) |
| 00:12.47 | Constitution | but they don't know how to dodge all that well |
| 00:13.16 | pacman87 | i'm pretty sure that's because they're programmed to attack more than dodge |
| 00:13.32 | brlcad | whew, finally caught up |
| 00:14.00 | Constitution | well anyway, moving state management server-side is probably a higher priority than trying to determine when clients are using aimbots |
| 00:14.23 | pacman87 | if you write a dodging only AI, it could be pretty good, esp with the extra shot prediction algorithms |
| 00:15.14 | pacman87 | is tempted to rewrite autopilot.cxx with a focus on dodging, and only shooting when available |
| 00:15.19 | brlcad | Constitution: yeah, server-side state management isn't nearly "just" a simple task of moving code -- you're changing the game state authority and potentially affecting gameplay in unexpected ways |
| 00:15.45 | brlcad | so in addition to just moving code, it really requires a lot of testing too |
| 00:15.52 | Constitution | hmm, ok |
| 00:16.00 | pacman87 | also, anyone have any ideas for why tab-completion and plugins aren't working in branch? |
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| 00:16.11 | pacman87 | compiling on slackware12 |
| 00:16.25 | Constitution | pacman87: rather than autopilot, you may want to look into bzrobots |
| 00:16.32 | Constitution | how are plugins "not working"? |
| 00:19.03 | pacman87 | well, now they're working :) |
| 00:19.33 | pacman87 | i had to use --enable-shared and --enable-plugins |
| 00:19.45 | pacman87 | but tab-complete is still missing |
| 00:21.02 | brlcad | is that your plugin? |
| 00:21.18 | pacman87 | brlcad: tab-complete? |
| 00:21.33 | brlcad | yes |
| 00:21.47 | pacman87 | no, i mean for the usual /commands |
| 00:22.07 | pacman87 | /list<tab> should fill to /listplugins |
| 00:22.30 | brlcad | the tab-complete isn't "missing", it's just not working |
| 00:22.43 | brlcad | thought you were referring to some "tab-complete" plugin |
| 00:22.54 | pacman87 | ah, sorry, missing = MIA = not working |
| 00:22.57 | Constitution | are there no other slash commands that start with "list"? |
| 00:22.59 | brlcad | tab-completion is a config setting |
| 00:27.16 | brlcad | er.. hum |
| 00:28.06 | pacman87 | brlcad: user config.cfg file, or when compiling? |
| 00:28.13 | blast007 | you have to have "Jumping while typing" set to Off for tab-completion to work in the graphical client |
| 00:28.38 | pacman87 | even if you dont' have tab mapped to jump? |
| 00:28.46 | blast007 | probably |
| 00:29.15 | brlcad | there's no tab-completion of the command names iirc -- it tab-completes the player names |
| 00:29.51 | blast007 | brlcad: I think there is |
| 00:30.01 | brlcad | maybe I'm misremembering, but I don't recall ever using it for commands .. and testing it doesn't seem to do anything |
| 00:30.04 | blast007 | or maybe I'm thinking of bzadmin |
| 00:30.26 | pacman87 | ~blast007++ |
| 00:30.31 | Constitution | client works too |
| 00:30.37 | pacman87 | i still had tab set to jump |
| 00:30.43 | brlcad | ah |
| 00:30.56 | brlcad | so it does work with the command names? |
| 00:30.59 | blast007 | yeah |
| 00:31.03 | blast007 | just verified |
| 00:31.19 | brlcad | there's probably an alternate binding then |
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| 00:40.23 | brlcad | aha, and indeed there are |
| 00:40.25 | brlcad | two other bindings |
| 00:40.44 | brlcad | ctrl-f and F2 |
| 00:46.43 | blast007 | would it be a useful feature to have a button to clear the message log in bzadmin? |
| 00:47.08 | blast007 | (in the curses UI) |
| 00:47.43 | brlcad | could bind ctrl-l to do that |
| 00:48.11 | blast007 | I have it using F3 |
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| 00:53.21 | spldart | woah.. there is a big gap of patches between dec 2k7 and march 2k8 |
| 00:53.46 | brlcad | gap? |
| 00:54.06 | blast007 | as in, no patches were submitted |
| 00:54.10 | spldart | yeah |
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| 00:54.30 | bz72 | hey people.... |
| 00:54.40 | spldart | k... time for some beans and bacon with bbq sauce :~D |
| 00:54.47 | blast007 | hi bz72 |
| 00:54.58 | bz72 | Can I ask questions about making a server here? |
| 00:55.27 | blast007 | sure |
| 00:55.42 | blast007 | have you read the documentation for bzfs? |
| 00:56.01 | bz72 | the one included in C;/ |
| 00:56.09 | bz72 | c:/ |
| 00:56.22 | bz72 | its included in the download right? |
| 00:56.32 | bz72 | in programs then bzflag 2.0.10 |
| 00:56.53 | brlcad | blast007: not really |
| 00:56.58 | brlcad | change it to any status |
| 00:57.01 | bz72 | i used the online version to make a server |
| 00:57.03 | brlcad | they were just closed |
| 00:57.31 | blast007 | brlcad: I wasn't confirming that there was a 'gap' |
| 00:57.35 | blast007 | didn't even look |
| 00:57.43 | brlcad | ooh right |
| 00:57.46 | brlcad | that was for spldart |
| 00:57.49 | TheRedBaron | will stay away from spldart for the next few days |
| 00:57.54 | bz72 | and it gave me a new window with self-typed config. and i opened bzfs and i dont know what to do next |
| 00:58.08 | blast007 | bz72: so you have a config file already? |
| 00:58.53 | blast007 | okay. You have to open a command prompt, and then 'cd' into the bzflag directory, which sould be something like c:\program files\BZFlag2.0.10 |
| 00:59.18 | blast007 | you could also copy your config file into that directory |
| 00:59.18 | bz72 | so i have to type in cd |
| 00:59.25 | blast007 | cd c:\program files\BZFlag2.0.10 |
| 00:59.36 | bz72 | oh |
| 00:59.48 | bz72 | what should i save the config SImple text file as |
| 01:00.06 | blast007 | "server.conf" |
| 01:00.19 | blast007 | include the quotes when typing the name in the Filename box |
| 01:00.27 | blast007 | that way it won't append .txt onto the name |
| 01:00.27 | bz72 | and i can save it anywhere i want? |
| 01:00.39 | blast007 | yeah, but best to have it in c:\program files\BZFlag2.0.10 |
| 01:00.48 | blast007 | (or whatever version you have) |
| 01:01.03 | spldart | oh.. I'll remember that.. any status |
| 01:01.16 | blast007 | then, once you 'cd' into that directory, you can run this: bzfs -conf server.conf |
| 01:01.18 | bz72 | is it ok if its on Rich? |
| 01:01.28 | blast007 | Rich? |
| 01:01.30 | bz72 | Rich text* |
| 01:01.38 | blast007 | where are you saving this from? |
| 01:01.39 | blast007 | wordpad? |
| 01:01.46 | bz72 | yes |
| 01:01.53 | bz72 | (im using OS VIsta Premium) |
| 01:01.56 | blast007 | oh, make it say something with .txt |
| 01:02.09 | blast007 | otherwise it will insert extra text, and not work |
| 01:02.16 | blast007 | .txt is plain text |
| 01:02.25 | bz72 | i found this format only |
| 01:02.30 | bz72 | Text document |
| 01:02.34 | blast007 | use that |
| 01:02.42 | bz72 | ok |
| 01:03.01 | blast007 | in the future, Notepad is easier, since it only saves plain text files |
| 01:03.23 | bz72 | something came up while trying to save it says: |
| 01:03.26 | blast007 | are you wanting to run a public server, or just one for your local network? |
| 01:04.08 | brlcad | mmm.. http://www.elsevierscitech.com/pdfs/ECRA_CFP_SocialNetworks.pdf |
| 01:04.21 | brlcad | that's interesting |
| 01:04.22 | bz72 | You are about to save the document in a Text-Only format, which will remove all formatting. Are you sure you want to do this.....and yes i want it public please |
| 01:04.46 | blast007 | and yes, that's what you want to do (remove all formatting) |
| 01:04.53 | blast007 | running a public server is more challenging |
| 01:05.11 | bz72 | well do you have the time to help me? If not i understand |
| 01:05.23 | blast007 | you have to configure your router, your firewall, set up a hostname, and install a Dynamic DNS client to update that hostname when your IP changes |
| 01:05.32 | blast007 | and also, Windows is not a good operating system to host on |
| 01:05.32 | bz72 | :O |
| 01:05.37 | blast007 | you will encounter issues |
| 01:05.49 | bz72 | so what do you recommend? |
| 01:05.53 | blast007 | linux |
| 01:06.06 | bz72 | how much does it take? |
| 01:06.13 | pacman87 | i managed fine hosting on winXP, so it's possible |
| 01:06.36 | bz72 | well i have static Ip |
| 01:06.41 | bz72 | does that help? |
| 01:06.42 | blast007 | bz72: ah, so that helps |
| 01:06.56 | blast007 | static IP on the WAN site? |
| 01:07.01 | blast007 | side* |
| 01:07.14 | bz72 | Im sorry but wan? |
| 01:07.19 | blast007 | Wide Area Network |
| 01:07.28 | blast007 | as in, the address going to the Internet |
| 01:07.32 | bz72 | no |
| 01:07.35 | bz72 | im using home |
| 01:07.36 | blast007 | or were you talking about your computer itself? |
| 01:07.44 | bz72 | computer it self |
| 01:07.48 | blast007 | oh, ok |
| 01:07.56 | blast007 | that helps too |
| 01:07.59 | bz72 | ok |
| 01:08.09 | blast007 | still need to configure the router though ;) |
| 01:08.23 | blast007 | you have to forward ports to your computer |
| 01:08.28 | bz72 | is it possible you can help me out :( |
| 01:08.29 | blast007 | by default, it's 5154, both TCP and UDP |
| 01:08.43 | bz72 | right |
| 01:08.56 | blast007 | http://www.portforward.com/ |
| 01:08.59 | bz72 | ok so far i saved the file |
| 01:09.00 | blast007 | that'll help out |
| 01:09.03 | bz72 | ok |
| 01:09.25 | bz72 | should i download? |
| 01:09.37 | blast007 | download what? |
| 01:09.43 | bz72 | portfoward |
| 01:09.51 | blast007 | that's just a guide site |
| 01:09.54 | blast007 | not a utility :) |
| 01:10.04 | bz72 | oh |
| 01:10.18 | blast007 | oh, they might have a utility on there now |
| 01:10.35 | blast007 | heh... for only $30... |
| 01:10.39 | blast007 | so nvm |
| 01:10.48 | bz72 | heh |
| 01:11.00 | bz72 | no |
| 01:11.02 | blast007 | use this page: http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/routerindex.htm |
| 01:11.02 | bz72 | its for free |
| 01:11.05 | bz72 | i found the |
| 01:11.13 | bz72 | pcconfig |
| 01:11.23 | bz72 | Pfconfig* |
| 01:11.45 | blast007 | they might have a trial |
| 01:11.52 | blast007 | but it's definately not a free product |
| 01:12.01 | bz72 | right |
| 01:12.04 | bz72 | ok |
| 01:12.08 | blast007 | do you have a router? and if so, do you know the password? |
| 01:12.12 | bz72 | hold on let me see my model# for my router |
| 01:12.14 | bz72 | yes |
| 01:12.14 | blast007 | k |
| 01:12.19 | bz72 | its a linksys |
| 01:12.23 | blast007 | ok |
| 01:12.41 | bz72 | and the password is u know like the defult pass |
| 01:12.47 | blast007 | :) |
| 01:13.18 | bz72 | :) th |
| 01:13.19 | bz72 | the |
| 01:13.22 | bz72 | model is |
| 01:13.24 | bz72 | WRT54G |
| 01:13.35 | JeffM2501 | perhaps /msg |
| 01:13.57 | bz72 | and i clicked on the model on portforward |
| 01:14.53 | bz72 | it took me to the programs list and i searched for Bzflag and Bztank and i found nothing |
| 01:15.12 | blast007 | bz72: go to the tab with my name on it |
| 01:15.21 | blast007 | on this chat |
| 01:15.33 | blast007 | we'll continue there |
| 01:19.20 | bz72 | where did u go Blast :( |
| 01:20.34 | TheRedBaron | blast007: freenode blocks PMs from unregistered nicks by default - do you have that setting turned off? |
| 01:20.55 | blast007 | yes |
| 01:26.44 | spldart | hehe @ theredbaron |
| 01:51.18 | spldart | *tumbleweed* |
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| 01:51.51 | Lukstr | there's a new one: quit due to an EoF? |
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| 01:52.27 | spldart | nighty night |
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| 01:58.36 | Lukstr | JeffM2501: so what did we say earlier about libbzw? |
| 01:58.45 | Lukstr | shared library in bz? |
| 01:59.07 | JeffM2501 | I said it didn't really matter |
| 02:00.15 | Lukstr | I guess it doesn't hurt to have it dynamic, especially if development slows with some of the tools they can stay up to date |
| 02:00.38 | Lukstr | though you could stay the same with a static lib. |
| 02:00.40 | Lukstr | hm... |
| 02:02.40 | brlcad | the build configuration really doesn't matter at this point |
| 02:02.48 | brlcad | making the lib is |
| 02:03.02 | brlcad | and designing the lib so it *can* be a dynamic lib if it needs to be |
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| 02:03.14 | Lukstr | well it makes little difference to me, really |
| 02:07.00 | Lukstr | it can be designed so it can be made dynamic at one time, but seeing as you typically use static libs, I'll stick with that |
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| 02:27.06 | Macskeeball | I'm curious. Is there a way to message a specific person other than the person who last shot you or messaged you? |
| 02:28.17 | awilcox | Macskeeball: /msg callsigh message |
| 02:28.17 | Macskeeball | Nevermind. I just figured it out. |
| 02:28.20 | pacman87 | Macskeeball: use the left/right arrows |
| 02:28.28 | Macskeeball | Thanks |
| 02:28.33 | Macskeeball | Bye |
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| 02:29.18 | awilcox | now, it seems different people here, _now_ are there any software requirements experts in the house? an hour and half of googling got me no where :) |
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| 02:30.24 | JeffM2501 | what do you mean by software requirements? |
| 02:30.56 | JeffM2501 | like this stuff? |
| 02:30.58 | JeffM2501 | http://www.techwr-l.com/techwhirl/magazine/writing/softwarerequirementspecs.html |
| 02:31.09 | awilcox | JeffM2501: I just wondered if anyone would peruse a snippet of a functional requirements document I wrote to see if I was doing it right |
| 02:31.20 | awilcox | JeffM2501: Yes, exactly like that, and I've already read it |
| 02:32.18 | JeffM2501 | what is it for? |
| 02:32.52 | awilcox | JeffM2501: an artwork management software |
| 02:33.11 | JeffM2501 | who is the doc intended for? |
| 02:33.33 | awilcox | JeffM2501: development team...project manager... |
| 02:33.47 | awilcox | "This document is intended to be used by the members of the project team that will implement and verify the correct functioning of the system" |
| 02:33.49 | JeffM2501 | and why don't you just have them read it? |
| 02:34.10 | awilcox | because none of them are at their desks. |
| 02:34.16 | JeffM2501 | then wait |
| 02:34.17 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 02:34.25 | awilcox | they've wayyy left for the day |
| 02:34.33 | JeffM2501 | there is always tomroow |
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| 02:34.55 | awilcox | I just wanted to make sure I was writing it right...I don't quite have the most experienced team at my disposal |
| 02:35.08 | awilcox | and I've read that informal peer reviews can do wonders |
| 02:35.35 | JeffM2501 | peers would be the people in the project |
| 02:35.40 | JeffM2501 | so that means them |
| 02:35.42 | awilcox | and I trust you (Jeff) and Daniel more than anybody to know what they are doing... |
| 02:35.50 | JeffM2501 | hah |
| 02:36.12 | awilcox | remember...I am in Florida...where the sun fries peoples brains :p |
| 02:36.38 | awilcox | but ok, I'll have them read it...or with them, skim it...tomorrow |
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| 02:40.21 | AAA_awright | Hm, Even though phpBB says that the user and password was successfully changed, it doesn't change anything on the LDAP backend, and nothing gets changed at all. |
| 02:40.46 | awilcox | AAA_awright: can the server and LDAP server ping each other? |
| 02:40.55 | AAA_awright | Yes, I am logging in with LDAP right now |
| 02:41.19 | JeffM2501 | petrhaps it does not allow user management from within phpbb |
| 02:41.21 | AAA_awright | I can change the LDAP password entry to change the password, but I can't do it with phpBB |
| 02:41.22 | awilcox | does the user that phpBB run as have the permissions to change / update information? |
| 02:41.54 | AAA_awright | Yes, I can change it with the user dn/password I give it |
| 02:42.00 | AAA_awright | At least that should be the case |
| 02:42.15 | awilcox | ...try it. |
| 02:42.17 | AAA_awright | In any event, it shouldn't be saying "successfully changed" |
| 02:42.23 | JeffM2501 | we only need one user manager |
| 02:42.25 | awilcox | that's true. |
| 02:42.27 | JeffM2501 | and that can be drupal |
| 02:42.59 | awilcox | AAA_awright: in some (badly-written) programs, error 0 (null?) could mean "successful"... |
| 02:43.05 | AAA_awright | What is wrong with making MediaWiki the homepage? With a changed around template |
| 02:43.15 | AAA_awright | I can see why not, but just wondering |
| 02:43.16 | awilcox | even seen Windows say "Cannot copy file: The operation completed successfully" |
| 02:43.21 | AAA_awright | :D |
| 02:43.46 | awilcox | so yes, it can mean an error. |
| 02:44.17 | awilcox | then again, I never really view phpBB as "quality" software...I think they missed that part of their requirements docs entirely. |
| 02:44.48 | Lukstr | awilcox: there's good software that returns 0 on success |
| 02:44.52 | Lukstr | and non-zero on failure |
| 02:44.54 | AAA_awright | phpBB3 is greatly improved... the previous versions I will say sucked |
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| 02:45.40 | awilcox | Lukstr: that's correct |
| 02:46.02 | awilcox | Lukstr: that's exactly what I meant. if there is an error, but the error number is null (0), then it says success even though there was an error |
| 02:46.19 | Lukstr | you said in bad programs |
| 02:46.28 | Lukstr | regardless |
| 02:46.28 | awilcox | right. |
| 02:46.29 | Lukstr | Oh |
| 02:46.36 | Lukstr | errno? :P |
| 02:46.36 | awilcox | in good programs, error 0 should still be an error. |
| 02:46.52 | Lukstr | awilcox: you only check the error number if there was an error |
| 02:46.59 | Lukstr | usually |
| 02:47.14 | awilcox | that's unix...I write programs for Windows, where the error number is the return code |
| 02:47.17 | awilcox | normally an enumeration |
| 02:47.41 | awilcox | for instance, return SUCCESS; return ERROR_OUTOFBOUNDS; return ERROR_TIMEOUT; return ERROR_BADUSER; |
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| 02:49.11 | Lukstr | awilcox: well it depends on documentation I guess |
| 02:49.42 | awilcox | I need a drink...of coffee |
| 02:49.45 | Lukstr | hehe |
| 02:49.54 | Lukstr | what do you mean by error number then? |
| 02:50.02 | Lukstr | int didItWork( void ); kind of deal? |
| 02:50.12 | awilcox | well |
| 02:50.34 | awilcox | more like int someFunction(char *something) { /*...*/ return NULL; } |
| 02:50.36 | awilcox | now |
| 02:50.52 | AAA_awright | There might me an "was there an error", and a "error code". Error code = 0 = "Successful", while was there an error = 1 = "Error!" |
| 02:51.03 | awilcox | if the calling function somehow knew there was an error, for instance if someFunction set errorFlag to true |
| 02:51.12 | awilcox | and returned NULL, error code 0 |
| 02:51.19 | awilcox | then that would map to successful |
| 02:51.28 | AAA_awright | The dialog box simply is: alert("Error: " + errorString(errorcode)) |
| 02:51.32 | awilcox | thereby leading to an erroneous "Cannot copy file: Success" |
| 02:51.44 | awilcox | exactly. |
| 02:51.54 | AAA_awright | Yeha |
| 02:51.59 | Lukstr | well, you're generally only supposed to touch error flags on failures :P |
| 02:52.05 | AAA_awright | Error number: 0x50 (LDAP_OTHER) |
| 02:52.10 | AAA_awright | :/ |
| 02:52.16 | awilcox | oh wow |
| 02:52.25 | awilcox | gives phpBB a cookie for helpful error messages...NOT |
| 02:53.01 | AAA_awright | ~uncookie ldap |
| 02:53.08 | AAA_awright | hm. |
| 02:53.09 | awilcox | ~take cookie from ldap |
| 02:53.14 | AAA_awright | ~cookie AAA_awright |
| 02:53.16 | awilcox | ~bzfrag phpbb |
| 02:53.43 | awilcox | hmm, delayed |
| 02:53.55 | awilcox | * ibot shoots phpbb with a laser |
| 02:54.06 | awilcox | * ibot hands AAA_awright a cookie |
| 02:54.22 | awilcox | * ibot takes cookie from ldap and hands it to awilcox |
| 02:56.33 | AAA_awright | ~lart LDAP |
| 02:56.33 | ibot | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to LDAP, and goes postal |
| 02:56.53 | Lukstr | heh |
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| 03:01.27 | bryjen | notes that DTR and JeffM are in California, where people's brains are rattled by earthquakes, burried in landslides, fried by the sun, and actual FIRES |
| 03:01.57 | Lukstr | is in Canada... where things are pretty good. |
| 03:02.39 | awilcox | Okay then, _you_ review for me :p |
| 03:03.10 | Lukstr | haha |
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| 03:05.35 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.vc/stats/project/BZFlag || http://my.BZFlag.org/w/Getting_Help || logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/#bzflag || http://ohloh.net/projects/189 || 2.0.10 is the latest public release || BZFlag is in GSoC 2008 , join #gsoc if you're interested in participating (students) mentor blog -> http://tanks4code.blogspot.com/ |
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| 03:13.24 | AAA_awright | The server list would still be a relational database (mysql), since the data changes frequently |
| 03:18.12 | AAA_awright | So we would end up identifying users as such: uidNumber=794,ou=Users,ou=services,dc=bzflag,dc=org |
| 03:18.43 | awilcox | O_o |
| 03:18.50 | awilcox | bzflag is going to use active directory? |
| 03:19.02 | AAA_awright | For the backend user store |
| 03:19.18 | awilcox | awesome, something I actually know how to implement and use. |
| 03:19.28 | AAA_awright | So MediaWiki, phpbb, the list server, and such may share the same user data |
| 03:19.36 | AAA_awright | Care to help? |
| 03:19.46 | awilcox | hint: Celeron/500 with 256MB RAM, NOT ENOUGH for Active Directory. |
| 03:20.20 | AAA_awright | This is OpenLDAP |
| 03:20.21 | awilcox | AAA_awright: depends on your timeline. remember I have a real-world software project with a real-world deadline now. |
| 03:20.32 | AAA_awright | Heh :) |
| 03:20.45 | awilcox | delivery is supposed to be 31 July... |
| 03:21.03 | AAA_awright | What are you doing in #bzflag then :) |
| 03:21.06 | awilcox | ...but my schedule starts to free up in mid-June |
| 03:21.17 | awilcox | AAA_awright: you have heard of "break", yes? :P |
| 03:21.23 | awilcox | plus I was asking a design question on #SQL |
| 03:21.31 | AAA_awright | What are these "break" you speak of? |
| 03:21.50 | AAA_awright | ;) |
| 03:21.50 | awilcox | they are a useful language keyword in C and C++ :P |
| 03:21.56 | AAA_awright | :D |
| 03:22.51 | AAA_awright | awilcox: I don't know if public access to the ldap server would be offered, this is just for the list server, phpbb, and mediawiki (and drupal) |
| 03:22.51 | awilcox | heh. |
| 03:23.20 | awilcox | I wrote in my notes for what I did today: "and (gasp) a bit of design (sorry)" :P |
| 03:23.47 | AAA_awright | What part of what project are you working on? |
| 03:24.06 | awilcox | requirements development for an art business management app |
| 03:24.18 | awilcox | and that's about all I can say atm |
| 03:24.28 | awilcox | break over |
| 03:24.46 | AAA_awright | I was thinking design isn't usually something people put thought into |
| 03:25.01 | awilcox | well you are supposed to |
| 03:25.05 | awilcox | ;) |
| 03:25.33 | AAA_awright | Gah, I just locked myself out of phpBB |
| 03:25.51 | Lukstr | that's classic |
| 03:27.18 | Lukstr | that's like messing with ipchains over ssh |
| 03:27.24 | Lukstr | before realizing you just banned yourself |
| 03:27.29 | AAA_awright | :D |
| 03:27.54 | Lukstr | I had a coworker do that |
| 03:27.55 | AAA_awright | Don't type "ifconfig eth0 down" over SSH. When running a production server. |
| 03:27.59 | awilcox | what sucks is when you set your _admin_ account to expire, instead of your password, in 30 days |
| 03:28.00 | AAA_awright | Ever. |
| 03:28.00 | Lukstr | he actually got up and said "screw it" and went home |
| 03:28.09 | Lukstr | awilcox: hahah |
| 03:28.19 | AAA_awright | Ha |
| 03:28.23 | Lukstr | AAA_awright: obviously, I'd have to sudo that :P |
| 03:28.36 | awilcox | I buggered out when my laptop wouldn't let me log in: "Account is expired" |
| 03:29.08 | blast007 | I've been applying access lists to a Cisco router over a telnet session, and had it apply before it got the point where it allowed the telnet... *disconnected* "crap!" |
| 03:30.04 | Lukstr | a company box was set up with hard disk encryption for each user's files, and an ex-employee had some important documents that needed recovering |
| 03:30.09 | Lukstr | of course, his password had expired |
| 03:30.29 | Lukstr | and all we had was a 128 bit hash of his old one :( |
| 03:30.36 | blast007 | hehe |
| 03:30.56 | Lukstr | my boss actually has the encrypted file on his desktop (or he had) |
| 03:31.03 | Lukstr | he said it was better than nothing... |
| 03:31.33 | awilcox | windows 2003 allows admin override, iirc. |
| 03:31.39 | awilcox | gah, I'm still here! |
| 03:31.46 | awilcox | must...go back to....wordperfect... |
| 03:31.52 | Lukstr | awilcox: this box wasn't on the network :s |
| 03:31.58 | Lukstr | it was... weird |
| 03:32.35 | Lukstr | regardless, linux live boot disks ftw |
| 03:33.56 | AAA_awright | I must be looking at the wrong place, but for some reason config changes don't apply themselves unless you use the official control panel. Changing the config table in the database does nothing. Must be cached somewhere... |
| 03:34.07 | Lukstr | anyone know if jude ever applied for gsoc? |
| 03:34.21 | awilcox | AAA_awright: ...and that's why they have a control panel |
| 03:34.31 | AAA_awright | Doesn't help much if you are locked out |
| 03:34.37 | awilcox | oh right. |
| 03:34.43 | awilcox | roll back to last night's backup. |
| 03:34.48 | awilcox | couldn't be _that_ much lost. |
| 03:35.53 | AAA_awright | I just installed this today :P |
| 03:36.16 | AAA_awright | Well, I fixed it anyways. For some reason it was looking for the username in the "Street" field.... |
| 03:36.29 | awilcox | 123 Main Street |
| 03:36.41 | AAA_awright | So, now I live at 123 AAA Street... |
| 03:36.55 | AAA_awright | And it fixed the problem >_> |
| 03:38.34 | awilcox | so if I register my username as A Wilcox and my street address as 123 Anywhere St, then I live on A Wilcox and my name is 123 Anywhere St? |
| 03:39.54 | Lukstr | no? |
| 03:45.40 | blast007 | heh, I think we need to update the description on the Patches tracker. It mentions "cvs diff -u" format ;) |
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| 04:16.50 | AAA_awright | It seems that phpBB does not track users by anything but the username |
| 04:16.56 | AAA_awright | when using LDAP |
| 04:17.13 | blast007 | hmm |
| 04:17.14 | blast007 | k |
| 04:17.19 | AAA_awright | If I change the username, leave the DN and uidNumber the same, it creates a new user |
| 04:17.25 | blast007 | eww |
| 04:17.28 | AAA_awright | Yeah |
| 04:18.19 | blast007 | so I guess we can assume that most of the stuff is like that |
| 04:18.36 | AAA_awright | It also seems to copy the password to the local db and re-encrypt it when you submit it |
| 04:18.46 | blast007 | heh |
| 04:19.04 | AAA_awright | It doesn't do anything, I can still login after I change the password field in MySQL |
| 04:19.22 | blast007 | probably needs it there to make the account active |
| 04:19.33 | AAA_awright | I can delete it too |
| 04:19.42 | blast007 | and probably there as well in case you turn off LDAP integration ;) |
| 04:19.57 | AAA_awright | That's it |
| 04:20.31 | blast007 | well, that's some good info to know. Thank you for playing around with it. |
| 04:26.24 | AAA_awright | I'll see if I can program up a custom authentication handler |
| 04:26.32 | AAA_awright | These have to be integrated *somehow* |
| 04:30.50 | AAA_awright | There seems to be an authentication handler class in phpBB, it could be changed pretty easily |
| 04:32.48 | blast007 | AAA_awright: even just a matter of added an extra column for some unique ID from LDAP to the users table in phpbb3, and added some code to the login process for LDAP to check for that unique ID, and runs a username change on the forum account |
| 04:33.03 | AAA_awright | Exactly |
| 04:33.57 | AAA_awright | Right now it inserts the uid as null, insert the given uidNumber instead, and grab records by uidNumber, not uid |
| 04:35.35 | AAA_awright | Another problem: By default, phpBB comes with 50 users or so, which are for spiders. |
| 04:36.02 | AAA_awright | Plus an "Anonymous" account for permissions (when you are logged out) |
| 04:36.25 | AAA_awright | uids 1-52 are taken |
| 04:44.45 | blast007 | which is why I'd rather we add another column for our LDAP tie-in |
| 04:45.36 | AAA_awright | The unique ID you describe sounds quite a bit like the user id |
| 04:46.00 | blast007 | more like a 'global id' ;) |
| 04:46.05 | AAA_awright | a UUID? |
| 04:46.14 | blast007 | I'd rather not mess up phpBB's user IDs |
| 04:46.41 | AAA_awright | It is VERY easy to create a custom login authentication system with phpBB... I just had to copy a file, and rename the functions. |
| 04:48.19 | blast007 | cool |
| 04:49.00 | blast007 | AAA_awright: I wonder what happens to the spider's UID's when you do an upgrade from a phpbb2 |
| 04:49.21 | blast007 | guess I'll go dig into my database |
| 04:49.25 | AAA_awright | I think the bots and everything are added after the migration, thus they get ids of whatever |
| 04:49.41 | AAA_awright | whatever being... >=50 |
| 04:50.52 | blast007 | yeah, on my upgrade, the bot's UID's start at 30119 ;) |
| 04:52.36 | AAA_awright | So when we update, it shouldn't be a problem... hopefully |
| 04:53.10 | AAA_awright | We must migrate the users to the new table, then copy users to LDAP, then add bots |
| 04:54.46 | AAA_awright | Alright, it inserts unknown users with the uidNumber attribute. 10 line diff ^_^ |
| 04:57.34 | AAA_awright | ...or not |
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| 05:19.26 | AAA_awright | It works! |
| 05:19.36 | AAA_awright | I can preserve the UID across username changes |
| 05:19.42 | AAA_awright | ~party |
| 05:19.43 | ibot | Woohoo! Bot on the loose! |
| 05:19.51 | AAA_awright | :D |
| 05:20.18 | AAA_awright | blast007, brlcad: Ping |
| 05:21.01 | AAA_awright | ~pastebin |
| 05:21.02 | ibot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 05:22.37 | AAA_awright | This file MUST be named "auth_ldap_bzflag.php" |
| 05:22.39 | AAA_awright | http://pastebin.bzflag.bz/m193ecfbe |
| 05:23.53 | AAA_awright | Now, Onto MediaWiki! |
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| 05:24.29 | blast007 | AAA_awright: the Patch tracker on SF would be a better place for it |
| 05:24.37 | spamrams | hey does any one know how to get chat archives here? |
| 05:24.43 | spamrams | are they by ny chance stored? |
| 05:24.44 | spamrams | :) |
| 05:24.49 | AAA_awright | Look at /topic |
| 05:24.51 | pacman87 | spamrams: check the topic |
| 05:25.03 | spamrams | Where? |
| 05:25.08 | pacman87 | channel topic |
| 05:25.16 | pacman87 | logs at http://ibot.rikers.org/#bzflag |
| 05:25.16 | blast007 | at the top of your screen |
| 05:25.21 | AAA_awright | Probably |
| 05:25.30 | AAA_awright | blast007: It isn't in the repo, though...? |
| 05:25.47 | spamrams | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:25.52 | blast007 | AAA_awright: it will be, probably |
| 05:25.59 | AAA_awright | Yeah |
| 05:26.10 | blast007 | well, *might* be ;D |
| 05:27.01 | spamrams | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/ |
| 05:27.10 | spamrams | I got into this and there are 1000s of files |
| 05:27.15 | spamrams | any idea how to filter? |
| 05:27.28 | AAA_awright | :/ |
| 05:27.46 | pacman87 | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/20080327.html.gz |
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| 05:28.08 | pacman87 | (assuming you're looking for your earlier conversation here) |
| 05:28.18 | blast007 | spamrams: it goes by days |
| 05:28.36 | AAA_awright | Hey, is the topic supposed to be world-editable? |
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| 05:29.33 | spamrams | Found mine |
| 05:29.41 | AAA_awright | Fixed urlencoding. |
| 05:29.58 | spamrams | Thans mates.. u guys are awesome :) |
| 05:32.01 | spamrams | and guys I have a basic question of debuging bzflag on kdevelop.. have ya guys done that? |
| 05:35.04 | blast007 | I'm not sure if anyone has |
| 05:35.09 | blast007 | at least that I know of |
| 05:35.31 | spamrams | yeah I shld prolly do it myself |
| 05:36.07 | spamrams | the problem is when i build I have 3 binaries built at the same time |
| 05:36.16 | spamrams | and how to start them all at one go? |
| 05:37.05 | pacman87 | bzfs is the server, bzflag is the client, and bzadmin is a text-only (very limited) client |
| 05:38.08 | pacman87 | try 'bzfs -help' |
| 05:38.10 | blast007 | well, you'll probably only be debugging two at a time |
| 05:38.14 | blast007 | at most |
| 05:38.27 | blast007 | bzfs+bzflag, or bzfs+bzadmin |
| 05:38.42 | blast007 | so couldn't you just run two instance of KDevelop? |
| 05:39.02 | pacman87 | missed the part about debugging... |
| 05:51.12 | AAA_awright | *fissle*http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LDAP_Authentication |
| 05:51.44 | AAA_awright | I'll work on that tomorrow |
| 05:52.45 | blast007 | mediawiki was pretty easy to get going |
| 05:53.10 | blast007 | and I'm not concerned if the usernames on the wiki don't match after a username change in LDAP |
| 05:53.23 | blast007 | so don't worry if it's not trivial |
| 05:54.28 | AAA_awright | I will worry, that is a very big UI thing. Here, it is probably lots easier to keep using the internal mediawiki ID, and have another column with the phpBB id. |
| 05:54.46 | AAA_awright | I'll see. |
| 05:54.50 | blast007 | k |
| 05:56.40 | AAA_awright | You are right, it isn't the #1 priority, but it is the logical next step. |
| 05:56.53 | AAA_awright | ...I think. Later. |
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| 06:32.38 | ruskie | http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2008/03/27/google_summer_code_debian_losers/ <-- hmm |
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| 07:37.28 | kick52 | cheating.. |
| 07:37.34 | kick52 | what a load of asshole-filled shit |
| 07:48.10 | a_meteorite | kick52: excuse me? |
| 07:50.22 | kick52 | a_meteorite: translation: cheating is bad |
| 07:50.28 | kick52 | and I have to go. |
| 07:50.35 | a_meteorite | uh, yeah, it is. |
| 07:50.41 | a_meteorite | cya. and watch your language next time, k? |
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| 07:53.06 | Rawk | Hi The ;) |
| 07:53.11 | The | hi |
| 07:53.19 | The | lol, my name!!! |
| 07:53.43 | The | ? how do i use that? |
| 07:53.59 | Rawk | what? |
| 07:54.17 | a_meteorite | hits the sack |
| 07:55.08 | Rawk | waves at the sack |
| 07:55.33 | Rawk | you there The? |
| 07:55.37 | The | yes |
| 07:55.41 | The | how do i talk there? |
| 07:55.57 | Rawk | in the PM? |
| 07:56.11 | The | i can't PM |
| 07:56.12 | Rawk | what does it say? |
| 07:56.22 | The | keeps sending me messages that private messages from unreg players are blocked |
| 07:56.34 | The | =( |
| 07:56.54 | The | ", but you can always message a staffer." |
| 07:56.58 | The | not sure what it means |
| 07:56.58 | Rawk | yeah, you have to reg with freenode :/ |
| 07:57.06 | The | oooooh |
| 07:57.14 | Rawk | nm, wait a sec |
| 07:58.35 | Rawk | join #noobchannelfortraitors |
| 08:00.08 | The | it says access to channel is blocked |
| 08:00.18 | The | do i use /join? |
| 08:00.44 | Rawk | dunno what client your using |
| 08:01.10 | The | i used the "chat" link from my.bzflag/bb |
| 08:02.42 | Rawk | go to mibbit.com and join the freenode.net network then type "/j #bzflag" |
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| 08:04.46 | mib_za5tiaz4 | hi |
| 08:04.59 | Rawk | hi there |
| 08:05.19 | Rawk | now type "/nick YOURNAME" |
| 08:05.44 | Rawk00 | lol |
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| 08:35.15 | RawkDoh | dc :| |
| 08:35.22 | rawk00 | what happened? |
| 08:35.55 | RawkDoh | mibbit must have gone flaky or something |
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| 08:36.49 | rawk00 | what were you going to say |
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| 09:08.46 | utrrrongeeb | Sorry about that, accidental sending... |
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| 12:16.03 | praetorian | number 5 is alive |
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| 12:54.02 | short_circuit | lol |
| 12:54.17 | short_circuit | didn't realize something had happened when I dropped the keyboard |
| 12:54.44 | spldart | Was reading up on last night |
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| 13:36.38 | Alesis-Novik | good day to you all |
| 13:49.00 | spldart | G'Day |
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| 14:14.50 | brlcad | Alesis-Novik: howdy |
| 14:15.18 | brlcad | wonders where the submissions are at |
| 14:15.57 | brlcad | you guys are really waiting till the last minute apparently... |
| 14:16.23 | tupone | ciao |
| 14:16.34 | brlcad | ciao! |
| 14:17.01 | tupone | ça va? |
| 14:17.03 | brlcad | how goes it tupone? |
| 14:17.11 | brlcad | heh, va bene! |
| 14:17.30 | tupone | No more abroad. Now I work in Italy :) |
| 14:17.34 | brlcad | se dice ocupadicimo? |
| 14:17.49 | tupone | occupatissimo ? |
| 14:17.54 | brlcad | aha, si |
| 14:18.01 | tupone | molto occupato |
| 14:18.19 | brlcad | molto bene :) |
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| 14:34.17 | Manu | brlcad: ;) -> http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/DummiesArticle/Asking-Simple-Questions-in-Italian.id-1176,subcat-LANGUAGE.html |
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| 14:59.39 | brlcad | Manu: heh, thx |
| 15:00.12 | brlcad | used to speak basic italian (mildly) fluently .. but has since forgotten most |
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| 15:37.37 | Lukstr | hello all |
| 15:38.29 | blast007 | hi |
| 15:38.34 | whodaman | howdy |
| 15:40.37 | Lukstr | time to give the ol' proposal some updates :D |
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| 15:42.15 | Lukstr | is there a blog in place (e.g. tanks4code perhaps?) for students to blog over the summer? |
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| 15:49.30 | blast007 | Lukstr: last year, a couple students set up their own blog |
| 15:49.52 | blast007 | ex: http://bzflag.chaosforge.org/ |
| 15:50.14 | Lukstr | that's cool, just wondering |
| 15:50.20 | Lukstr | I'll throw one up on my webserver |
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| 16:45.45 | donny_baker | JeffM: shirts ship? |
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| 16:46.11 | Lukstr | 'ello Daveman |
| 16:46.13 | Lukstr | Errr |
| 16:46.18 | Lukstr | 'ello DTRemenak |
| 16:46.18 | Lukstr | :D |
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| 17:01.28 | AAA_awright | JeffM brlcad blast007: LDAP authentication for MediaWiki is fairly straightforward... and it can detect username changes, and it has the ability to change passwords (also not enabled by default), as opposed to phpBB |
| 17:02.48 | blast007 | yay |
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| 17:08.24 | AAA_awright | It is possible to make people's usernames be their BZID, and allow them to log in with their nickname... I am not sure |
| 17:08.36 | AAA_awright | That would make it easier... |
| 17:09.40 | JeffM | donny_baker, I hope they did |
| 17:10.26 | blast007 | AAA_awright: problem with that is that you'd have to modify LOTS of other spots in the code that display the username ;) |
| 17:10.35 | blast007 | and that's more work |
| 17:10.59 | AAA_awright | It uses the nickname or real name if that is provided, I thought |
| 17:11.49 | AAA_awright | I'm playing with it now, it doesn't, it is probably one of the thirty two bazillion config options MediaWiki has |
| 17:13.03 | blast007 | oh, mediawiki |
| 17:13.10 | blast007 | thought you were talking about phpBB |
| 17:13.29 | blast007 | I'd rather not hack the wiki too much |
| 17:13.34 | Lukstr | JeffM, brlcad, DTRemenak, and all other mentors: Updated my application, cleaned up some stuff. |
| 17:13.42 | JeffM | cool |
| 17:13.48 | blast007 | like I said, it's not that big of a deal if the usernames don't always match if someone changes their name |
| 17:13.57 | blast007 | I'm mainly wanting to just have auth work |
| 17:14.03 | AAA_awright | Oh, yeah |
| 17:14.05 | blast007 | and that's all handled by the existing plugin |
| 17:14.12 | AAA_awright | True |
| 17:14.21 | blast007 | if we mod too much, it just makes it harder for us to maintain/upgrade |
| 17:14.33 | AAA_awright | Drupal /had/ support for LDAP in version 5 |
| 17:14.42 | blast007 | yeah |
| 17:14.44 | AAA_awright | To change the topic |
| 17:14.48 | blast007 | their plugin isn't updates for 6 yet, iirc |
| 17:14.54 | blast007 | updated* |
| 17:18.50 | Lukstr | goes home |
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| 17:25.07 | AAA_awright | It lowercases the callsigns too, AAA becomes Aaa, AAABot becomes Aaabot |
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| 17:25.21 | AAA_awright | ucfirst, whatever |
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| 17:33.52 | AAA_awright | MediaWiki doesn't want to change the Username, it is making new accounts |
| 17:34.42 | AAA_awright | I think that is my fault |
| 17:40.31 | AAA_awright | Oh, wonderful, so MediaWiki doesn't *actually* support external IDs, it just has the code structure there if it ever happens to in the futire >_> |
| 17:41.38 | blast007 | :) |
| 17:49.43 | AAA_awright | I could make it so when you are logged into the forum, you are logged into MediaWiki... |
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| 17:54.20 | AAA_awright | And then we have the problem of how do we create accounts? We don't know what user id to choose |
| 17:55.32 | AAA_awright | I don't know if LDAP is such a great idea |
| 17:56.30 | AAA_awright | I could program a custom authentication handler for MediaWiki and phpBB, then we could manage accounts entirely with a custom login panel. Visiting phpBB or MediaWiki would automatically log you in. |
| 17:56.37 | Wyk3d | is shocked by clear text passwords being sent over the wire |
| 17:57.08 | AAA_awright | Using web login for other websites, it would show you a confirmation: Do you want to prove your identity to example.com ? |
| 17:58.35 | AAA_awright | Wyk3d: Which wire? Yeah, you send your password in clear text to the list server. Not any less secure then most other websites though... |
| 18:00.12 | Wyk3d | yes that's what i mean .. nevertheless i'm surprised that it's not hashed atleast |
| 18:02.29 | AAA_awright | Why would it be hashed? |
| 18:03.12 | AAA_awright | Wyk3d: Sending it hashed doesn't make it anymore secure, if it is always sent the same way. |
| 18:03.34 | Wyk3d | people can use the same password for multiple sites |
| 18:03.37 | javawizard2539 | The connection to the list server isn't over SSL? |
| 18:03.37 | AAA_awright | Now, if a challenge-response were implemented, it wouldn't be sent the same way each time |
| 18:04.07 | AAA_awright | No, nor does the list server or client support it |
| 18:04.31 | AAA_awright | SSL wouldn't make perfectly secure either though |
| 18:04.56 | AAA_awright | Unless we distributed the public key fingerprint with the client |
| 18:04.57 | Wyk3d | all someone has to do is sniff the packets the list server is sending, man in the middle kind .. and someone has the password of every user |
| 18:05.32 | Wyk3d | with which he can then hack their mail boxes, access their computers |
| 18:05.37 | Wyk3d | and make more drones for DDOS attacks |
| 18:05.38 | AAA_awright | Uh, not really |
| 18:05.59 | AAA_awright | For BZFlag, you could at most get into the forum |
| 18:06.19 | Wyk3d | as i said, people are stupid |
| 18:06.24 | Wyk3d | they use the same password everywhere |
| 18:06.41 | AAA_awright | I am going to propose we have a configuration option in the client config that allows you to define public keys to use when authenticating to the server |
| 18:07.04 | AAA_awright | That is, the list server public key |
| 18:07.25 | Wyk3d | that would be the most secure yes, but even hashing would be more than enough |
| 18:07.35 | Wyk3d | the main point is, don't allow others to get your password |
| 18:07.36 | AAA_awright | What type of hashing? |
| 18:07.39 | javawizard2539 | What about ssh? |
| 18:07.42 | javawizard2539 | sry, ssl |
| 18:07.44 | Wyk3d | any .. sha1/md5 whatever |
| 18:07.50 | AAA_awright | Big problem with that |
| 18:07.54 | javawizard2539 | what? |
| 18:07.59 | AAA_awright | The md5'd version becomes your password |
| 18:08.34 | Wyk3d | well.. you wouldn't have to hash it to the same thing that you use for the forum |
| 18:08.48 | Wyk3d | eg. you can hash JUST_FOR_SERVER_LIST_[password] |
| 18:09.07 | AAA_awright | I guess so. |
| 18:09.20 | javawizard2539 | What about ssl? If the client was distributed with the key for the server (to prevent man in the middle attacks), then it would be secure |
| 18:09.22 | Wyk3d | so noone could use that for anything other than playin with your callsign |
| 18:09.35 | AAA_awright | It would me much easier to do it properly, implement a challenge-response protocol, as defined in one of the rfcs |
| 18:09.49 | AAA_awright | javawizard2539: Exactly |
| 18:09.54 | Wyk3d | obviously public/private fixes that to and provides the best security |
| 18:10.01 | Wyk3d | *keys .. |
| 18:11.10 | javawizard2539 | I haven't done much with the code for the list server yet, but does it use it's own custom protocol or does it use http? |
| 18:11.21 | Wyk3d | http over curl |
| 18:11.32 | AAA_awright | Wyk3d: That isn't too bad of an idea, sending a salted hash, but while we are at it, why not compile the client with SSL enabled cURL |
| 18:11.47 | AAA_awright | Well, HTTP using cURL |
| 18:12.17 | AAA_awright | An old list server had a self-signed key, I hear |
| 18:13.10 | javawizard2539 | The key can be selfsigned (to avoid cost of getting it signed by someone like VeriSign) and distributed with bzflag and bzfs |
| 18:13.31 | javawizard2539 | that way, bzflag knows it's connecting directly to the listserver |
| 18:14.49 | AAA_awright | Exactly |
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| 18:21.50 | Lukstr | I has returned. |
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| 18:47.49 | BulletCatcher | Has Kerberos been considered for authentication? It is secure and scalable, but probably not supported out of the box by popular packages. |
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| 19:51.57 | brlcad | Lukstr: looks better, thanks |
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| 19:56.25 | Lukstr | :) |
| 19:56.33 | Mike__ | hi |
| 19:56.42 | Lukstr | hello |
| 19:57.27 | Lukstr | brlcad: any criticism? |
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| 20:01.18 | brlcad | Lukstr: not yet, have to read it without distractions |
| 20:01.30 | kick52 | hmm |
| 20:01.34 | Lukstr | brlcad: alright, no worries. |
| 20:01.40 | kick52 | I'm getting terrible lag+jitter on that pillbox server |
| 20:01.47 | kick52 | like 500 ping |
| 20:02.08 | kick52 | never happened before |
| 20:03.06 | blast007 | kick52: make sure you're not running downloads/etc in the background |
| 20:03.13 | Epyon | JeffM, ping? |
| 20:03.27 | JeffM | ? |
| 20:16.22 | spldart | Actually got an apology from peter4B. Has he been better lately? |
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| 20:20.55 | Lukstr | has the shoot-a-mentor time/date been set yet? |
| 20:21.29 | blast007 | it was yesterday. You didn't get the memo? |
| 20:21.52 | spldart | hehe |
| 20:22.01 | Lukstr | hey |
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| 20:28.34 | spldart | I'm hoping that it gets put off until the communication issue get's resolved... unless it already has? I was updating my trunk server here @ work for testing tonight @ home :) |
| 20:31.14 | Wyk3d | anyone want a bzfs crash log ? |
| 20:33.21 | Wyk3d | it's free.. :) |
| 20:33.44 | Lukstr | no harm can be done by pastebin'ing it |
| 20:34.02 | spldart | w0rd |
| 20:34.10 | Wyk3d | i know .. was gonna do that anyway if noone had replied :P |
| 20:37.38 | Erroneous | Lukstr: I'm not aware of any scheduled date for that |
| 20:37.51 | Erroneous | should probably ping brlcad about it |
| 20:37.55 | Lukstr | Erroneous: okey, |
| 20:38.08 | Lukstr | Also, Erroneous, you're always in #tp, do you do any dev? |
| 20:38.20 | Lukstr | brlcad: ping Any date set for shoot-a-mentor? |
| 20:38.34 | Erroneous | for tp? no, I've been meaning to play with it and haven't gotten around to it yet :) |
| 20:38.47 | Erroneous | but they're cool people so I hang out there and lurk |
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| 20:39.48 | Lukstr | that's my excuse too |
| 20:42.05 | spldart | Was flag position changed or just broken in trunk? |
| 20:42.21 | spldart | I know I should know this it was brought up a couple weeks ago or maybe less :( |
| 20:42.57 | spldart | Just updated to latest checkout bzfs and noticed the 'Unable to position blah blah' hehe |
| 20:43.34 | Manu | Lukstr: don't be impatient :) |
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| 20:44.07 | Erroneous | afaik it should be neither changed nor broken...but I'm clearly misinformed ;) |
| 20:44.15 | Lukstr | Manu: I'm not, either way I'm gettin my arse kicked :P just curious so I don't miss it |
| 20:44.23 | Wyk3d | http://pastebin.ca/961343 -- callstack + locals here, get it while it's hot! |
| 20:45.12 | spldart | Wyk3d has the presses running :) |
| 20:46.08 | Erroneous | rolls on the floor laughing at one of our soc proposals |
| 20:46.31 | Lukstr | Erroneous: rofl? |
| 20:46.35 | spldart | I guess flag zones is just broken @ the moment... I have 5 zones that work on the same map in 2.0.10 but on trunk the flags are scattershot with 5 messages saying unable to position.. I'll hush now |
| 20:46.39 | Erroneous | note to prospective students: listing "Can OverClock the GPU." as one of your qualifications does not leave a good impression |
| 20:46.50 | spldart | :-x |
| 20:46.50 | Lukstr | hah |
| 20:47.06 | spldart | loves to overclock cpu's and gpu's. Watercooling is fun too :) |
| 20:47.15 | Lukstr | spldart: your water cooling is futile. |
| 20:47.59 | spldart | In what way? It's allowed for incredible overclock and error free performance :) |
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| 20:49.42 | Lukstr | your overclocking is futile also :D |
| 20:49.52 | Lukstr | So apparently there might be a GSoC one-week extension |
| 20:50.22 | Erroneous | could be. that'd be a good thing. |
| 20:50.47 | TheRedBaron | tries to figure out the easter egg in the background scene in 2.99 |
| 20:51.32 | Epyon | Erroneous, what's the current app count? |
| 20:51.47 | Erroneous | two |
| 20:51.52 | Epyon | O.O |
| 20:52.10 | Epyon | looks at the date |
| 20:52.29 | Manu | Erroneous: what proposal? :) |
| 20:52.36 | Erroneous | we seem to be heavy on the procrastinators this time around :) |
| 20:53.04 | Erroneous | most apps do come in in the last few days, but I'd expected more early this time around |
| 20:53.06 | Lukstr | Erroneous: and I thought I procrastinated :( |
| 20:53.16 | Lukstr | Erroneous: how many you got? |
| 20:53.35 | Erroneous | two, like I said. you and the dude who overclocks gpus ;) |
| 20:53.43 | Lukstr | baha |
| 20:53.51 | Lukstr | I can't read |
| 20:53.54 | spldart | that doesn't bode well |
| 20:54.02 | Lukstr | Wow I expected 10~ |
| 20:54.14 | Lukstr | leans back, pours a drink. |
| 20:54.22 | Epyon | A drink! |
| 20:54.31 | Epyon | opens a beer. |
| 20:54.35 | Erroneous | last year we had 40 or so, most of which were submitted the last two days before the (first) deadline |
| 20:54.47 | Erroneous | but we did have more early |
| 20:55.00 | Lukstr | Epyon: where is your location? |
| 20:55.12 | Epyon | End of the world where polar bears live :P |
| 20:55.18 | Erroneous | contemplates poking people he knows are interested but haven't applied yet |
| 20:55.36 | Epyon | At least that was what I was told in the US :) |
| 20:55.36 | spldart | Does ibot poke ;) |
| 20:55.44 | Epyon | auto-poke :P |
| 20:55.56 | Erroneous | Epyon: I'm sure some of your larger zoos have polar bears :) |
| 20:56.25 | Epyon | They do indeed, we have at least 4 bears in our city :P |
| 20:56.36 | Erroneous | well there ya go! :) |
| 20:56.43 | Epyon | gives up ^_^ |
| 20:56.49 | Erroneous | hahaha |
| 20:57.15 | Lukstr | Epyon: Canada? :P |
| 20:57.21 | Lukstr | is in Canada... |
| 20:57.36 | Erroneous | points Lukstr at the /whois command |
| 20:58.14 | Lukstr | pl = poland? |
| 20:58.17 | Erroneous | ~pl |
| 20:58.18 | ibot | it has been said that pl is sometimes referred to as \"packet loss\" |
| 20:58.25 | Erroneous | hah |
| 20:58.30 | Lukstr | haha, makes sense. |
| 20:58.40 | Erroneous | yes, poland |
| 20:58.45 | Erroneous | ~ca |
| 20:58.46 | ibot | it has been said that ca is a Certificate Authroity. It's required when browsers check your SSL certs with the CA's digital signature. See also SSL, or dog in MallorquÃ... |
| 20:58.50 | Erroneous | hm... |
| 20:58.53 | Epyon | Poland :P |
| 20:59.01 | Lukstr | cool beans. |
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| 20:59.40 | TheRedBaron | what is this supposed to be in 2.99? http://dev.inexplicably.org/images/bzfi0012.png |
| 20:59.56 | TheRedBaron | its watching me :( |
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| 21:00.15 | CBG` | rofl |
| 21:00.34 | Lukstr | TheRedBaron: The orange thing? :P |
| 21:01.27 | TheRedBaron | I Need a review mirror for my tank in case it decides to creep up on me... |
| 21:01.45 | Lukstr | the mountains look like a turtle. |
| 21:01.46 | spldart | the face looks like a space invader |
| 21:02.07 | Epyon | Lukstr, maybe BZFlag is set on the Discworld : |
| 21:02.09 | Epyon | :P |
| 21:02.17 | Lukstr | oh god |
| 21:02.53 | TheRedBaron | spldart: exactly |
| 21:03.07 | TheRedBaron | is bz set in some sort of lush area 51? |
| 21:03.35 | Erroneous | area 52? :) |
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| 21:04.52 | TheRedBaron | its on spldart's server too |
| 21:05.11 | spldart | sweet.. I can't look right now though :( @ work |
| 21:05.53 | TheRedBaron | ooh - server communication error with spldart's server when stuck in tele |
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| 21:06.19 | spldart | Guess it hasn't been fixed yet... I just built that from the absolute latest svn checkout |
| 21:11.02 | TheRedBaron | 2.99 doesn't like your server spldart |
| 21:11.44 | spldart | No.. sux to be me... Mesh collision, flag zone problems and of course everyone is getting thos comm errors after playing a bit |
| 21:12.33 | spldart | .... I'm not complaining.. Just wish I had the ability to do more than submitting patches for man sample and html updates hehe |
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| 21:15.45 | CIA-16 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * r16820 10/trunk/bzflag/src/common/BufferedNetworkMessage.cxx: try not to crash |
| 21:16.00 | Erroneous | ~Wyk3d++ |
| 21:16.02 | KyleVE | crashes Erroneous |
| 21:16.15 | spldart | poop... now I gotta rebuild hehehe |
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| 21:17.11 | spldart | get help outta his pastebin of the crash? |
| 21:18.21 | Erroneous | yup |
| 21:19.12 | spldart | In that case |
| 21:19.13 | spldart | ~Wyk3d++ |
| 21:19.33 | Lukstr | how do you check karma? |
| 21:19.35 | Wyk3d | glad to have helped :) |
| 21:19.42 | spldart | I'm rebuilding right now |
| 21:19.46 | pacman87 | ~karma |
| 21:19.46 | ibot | pacman87 has neutral karma |
| 21:19.51 | Lukstr | cool |
| 21:19.55 | pacman87 | ~karma Lukstr |
| 21:19.55 | ibot | lukstr has neutral karma |
| 21:20.05 | spldart | ~karma spldart |
| 21:20.05 | ibot | spldart has neutral karma |
| 21:20.28 | Lukstr | interesting |
| 21:20.32 | Lukstr | ~karma Wyk3d |
| 21:20.32 | ibot | wyk3d has karma of 2 |
| 21:20.35 | Lukstr | haha |
| 21:20.42 | Lukstr | ~karma ibot |
| 21:20.42 | ibot | ibot has karma of 25 |
| 21:20.44 | Lukstr | woah |
| 21:20.56 | spldart | Somehow I get reset or someone is just chasing me pulling karma out hehe... I don't care though ;-) |
| 21:20.57 | Wyk3d | ibot is popular =D |
| 21:21.37 | Lukstr | we could fix that ;) |
| 21:21.59 | Erroneous | spldart: people seem to get reset occasionally |
| 21:22.02 | Erroneous | ~karma learner |
| 21:22.03 | ibot | learner has karma of 98 |
| 21:22.10 | spldart | NP |
| 21:22.21 | Erroneous | ~spldart++ |
| 21:22.23 | Erroneous | :) |
| 21:22.23 | Lukstr | ~karma ChanServ |
| 21:22.23 | ibot | chanserv has karma of 5 |
| 21:22.27 | Lukstr | hahaha |
| 21:22.32 | Think_Differentl | ~karma |
| 21:22.32 | ibot | think_differentl has neutral karma |
| 21:22.36 | Think_Differentl | aww, poor me. |
| 21:22.37 | spldart | :) |
| 21:22.44 | Lukstr | chanserv is beating us :( |
| 21:23.20 | spldart | Ok.. Back up with new trunk bzfs |
| 21:23.26 | TheRedBaron | ~karma TheRedBaron |
| 21:23.26 | ibot | theredbaron has karma of 108 |
| 21:23.33 | spldart | woah |
| 21:23.56 | Ebert | ~karma Ebert |
| 21:23.56 | ibot | ebert has neutral karma |
| 21:24.12 | Ebert | neutral? is that 0 or |
| 21:24.17 | Lukstr | 0 |
| 21:24.18 | TheRedBaron | odd. |
| 21:24.26 | TheRedBaron | why the karma reset? |
| 21:24.53 | Erroneous | probably a bug |
| 21:25.18 | Ebert | because im evil ^^ |
| 21:25.32 | CBG` | ~karma |
| 21:25.32 | ibot | cbg` has karma of 1 |
| 21:25.46 | JeffM | ~karma JeffM2501 |
| 21:25.46 | ibot | jeffm2501 has karma of 373 |
| 21:25.49 | CBG | ~karma CBG |
| 21:25.49 | ibot | cbg has karma of -439 |
| 21:25.50 | JeffM | wasn't reset |
| 21:25.53 | CBG | All is good. |
| 21:26.06 | spldart | I forgot about that CBG :-) |
| 21:26.10 | blast007 | JeffM: mine was |
| 21:26.12 | blast007 | ~karma |
| 21:26.12 | ibot | blast007 has karma of 4 |
| 21:26.15 | Erroneous | JeffM: individual scores seem to be reset from time to time. spldart's now, for instance; learner's a while back |
| 21:26.24 | CBG | Oh, its gone up, blast007 ! |
| 21:26.27 | Erroneous | others go on fine |
| 21:26.32 | Erroneous | ~karma DTRemenak |
| 21:26.32 | ibot | dtremenak has karma of 284 |
| 21:26.34 | blast007 | I used to have 160 or so :( |
| 21:26.38 | Erroneous | mine's fine |
| 21:26.53 | spldart | I only had like 7 or 9 but I don't care hehe |
| 21:27.03 | Erroneous | or maybe that's just what happens when Tim gets mad at someone ;) |
| 21:27.06 | Lukstr | Erroneous: if you're not busy, wanna critique my app? :D |
| 21:27.18 | blast007 | Erroneous: hehe |
| 21:27.31 | Erroneous | Lukstr: already did :) |
| 21:27.56 | Lukstr | Erroneous: I've updated it :) |
| 21:28.01 | Erroneous | ahh |
| 21:28.57 | Erroneous | cool, works for me :) |
| 21:29.20 | L4m3r | ~karma L4m3r |
| 21:29.20 | ibot | l4m3r has karma of 66 |
| 21:29.37 | Manu | Lukstr: he did it yesterday |
| 21:29.56 | Lukstr | D'oh |
| 21:30.06 | Lukstr | Erroneous: I keep thinking you and DTRemenak are two different people :( |
| 21:30.29 | Manu | they are.... :) |
| 21:30.39 | Lukstr | adds a post-it note to his monitor... |
| 21:30.48 | Wyk3d | local servers don't check callsigns ? |
| 21:31.31 | Wyk3d | *authenticate them |
| 21:31.35 | Manu | Lukstr: he is like jecklin and missis hyde ;) |
| 21:32.20 | Lukstr | oh dear |
| 21:32.27 | Manu | Erroneous: have you read all the 100 proposals? ;) |
| 21:34.48 | Lukstr | 100!? |
| 21:34.57 | L4m3r | Wyk3d: nope |
| 21:35.20 | L4m3r | if you want to use global auth on a private server, make it public and add the config option -advertise NONE |
| 21:35.50 | L4m3r | that way it interfaces with the list, but no one will see it |
| 21:37.20 | Wyk3d | k, thanks |
| 21:37.32 | Lukstr | slips out for a bit |
| 21:45.12 | AAA_awright | ~karma |
| 21:45.12 | ibot | aaa_awright has karma of 28 |
| 21:45.24 | AAA_awright | Meh, getting there |
| 21:45.48 | whodaman | ~karma |
| 21:45.48 | ibot | whodaman has neutral karma |
| 21:45.54 | whodaman | blinks |
| 21:46.00 | AAA_awright | ~karma whodaman- |
| 21:46.00 | ibot | whodaman- has neutral karma |
| 21:46.01 | spldart | mmMMmm goin out to eat tonigh... Wife's pick of restraunt |
| 21:46.10 | whodaman | where did my karma go? :( |
| 21:46.16 | AAA_awright | ~karma BZFlag |
| 21:46.16 | ibot | bzflag has karma of 5 |
| 21:46.19 | spldart | Yours too whoda? |
| 21:46.26 | whodaman | spldart, yeah :\ |
| 21:46.27 | L4m3r | ~BZFlag++ |
| 21:46.29 | JeffM | perhaps you loose it over time |
| 21:46.31 | spldart | Ibot must not like us |
| 21:46.35 | JeffM | check the ibot code and see ;) |
| 21:46.41 | L4m3r | ~ibot-- |
| 21:46.43 | whodaman | ew |
| 21:46.48 | AAA_awright | ~karma ibot |
| 21:46.48 | ibot | ibot has karma of 24 |
| 21:46.58 | AAA_awright | ~cookie AAA_awright |
| 21:47.09 | L4m3r | ~bber me |
| 21:47.10 | whodaman | points to #botpark |
| 21:47.11 | L4m3r | er |
| 21:47.12 | AAA_awright | No cookie command? |
| 21:47.13 | L4m3r | ~beer me |
| 21:47.14 | ibot | ACTION pours a pint of Franziskaner Hefeweizen for l4m3r |
| 21:47.23 | JeffM | still laughs that "network penetraion skills" were replaced with "can overclock a GPU" |
| 21:47.39 | spldart | OMG.. |
| 21:47.42 | spldart | No ish? |
| 21:48.03 | spldart | :-x 's again |
| 21:48.18 | JeffM | have you read it? |
| 21:48.24 | spldart | no |
| 21:48.29 | JeffM | you should |
| 21:48.38 | spldart | Where at? |
| 21:49.00 | JeffM | mentor dashboard |
| 21:49.07 | JeffM | there you can view the applications |
| 21:49.32 | spldart | gotta go.. they are closing shop early.. I'll do some reading later tonight.. gotta go to dinner with the misses |
| 21:49.39 | JeffM | have fun |
| 21:49.49 | CBG | aww, bummer, spldart... good luck |
| 21:50.10 | spldart | hehehhehe |
| 21:52.52 | AAA_awright | I think a common login system would be helpful. Instead of using each of phpBB's, MediaWiki's, etc, login forms, We automaticly login users that have logged into a central point, which could be Drupal or Mediawiki or whatnot. |
| 21:53.39 | AAA_awright | Winny: If you are there, How well do you know templates for phpBB and MediaWiki? |
| 21:55.21 | AAA_awright | I would be interested in making MediaWiki the primary website, which would manage logins and users and such. |
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| 22:03.23 | AAA_awright | Constitution: Ping |
| 22:03.45 | AAA_awright | I can't find the SQL for creating the group manager tables |
| 22:06.01 | blast007 | AAA_awright: "setup.sql" isn't it? |
| 22:09.43 | brlcad | Erroneous: and some are fixed it seems :) |
| 22:10.13 | brlcad | it's a rikerspiracy ;) |
| 22:17.02 | JeffM | you think he has TIME to do those? |
| 22:17.53 | brlcad | ~karma brlcad |
| 22:17.53 | ibot | brlcad has karma of 1 |
| 22:18.02 | brlcad | he had time for at least one ;) |
| 22:18.28 | JeffM | ~karma JeffM |
| 22:18.28 | ibot | jeffm has karma of 58 |
| 22:18.43 | JeffM | maybe it's just cus you all so high in the alphebet ;) |
| 22:19.17 | JeffM | tho how I got 58 is odd. |
| 22:19.35 | JeffM | maybe I'm a karmic sinkhole |
| 22:19.48 | brlcad | mine is fixed |
| 22:19.52 | brlcad | has been for over a year |
| 22:19.56 | JeffM | ah |
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| 22:41.03 | Macrosoft | hello all |
| 22:41.49 | whodaman | heya |
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| 22:45.33 | Wyk3d | DTRemenak: about "if ((*itr) && (handler == (*itr)->recipent))", although i didn't update to the latest rev yet, I did get the same crash again and I've got bad news .. i added a watch for qItr.operator *() and that returns 0xcdcdcdcd {data=??? dataSize=??? packedSize=??? ...} .. it's deleted not NULL :( |
| 22:52.01 | Wyk3d | this happens quite often when I disconnect from a local bzfs that I've set up |
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| 22:58.08 | Kibiz0r | Greetings and salutations, people. |
| 22:58.23 | JeffM | hello |
| 22:58.26 | Kibiz0r | I'm thinking about doing GSoC. |
| 22:58.31 | JeffM | cool |
| 22:58.45 | Kibiz0r | I was looking at the modularization of game logic proposal. |
| 22:58.59 | Kibiz0r | Is BZFlag already rather event based or not? |
| 22:59.09 | JeffM | yes and no |
| 22:59.13 | Kibiz0r | I was looking at the code and in some places I see what looks like polling. |
| 22:59.21 | Kibiz0r | But in other areas, I see Commands and stuff. |
| 22:59.23 | JeffM | client or server? |
| 22:59.28 | Kibiz0r | Client. |
| 22:59.39 | JeffM | the client runs as fast as it can |
| 22:59.48 | JeffM | and interpolates all the objects |
| 22:59.57 | JeffM | so that is similar to polling |
| 23:00.13 | JeffM | but when the event system gets input, from the user, or network |
| 23:00.20 | JeffM | it goes thru an event system to modify the state |
| 23:00.22 | JeffM | and do actions |
| 23:00.27 | JeffM | that's the "game" part of it |
| 23:00.39 | JeffM | the blowing up when you get shot thing |
| 23:01.03 | Kibiz0r | k |
| 23:01.05 | JeffM | so it has aspects of each method, depending on what is being done |
| 23:01.37 | brlcad | there is no 'polling' in the game logic that I can think of other than maybe a "are you alive" pulse from the server to detect non-responsive clients, but nothing related to the game logic itself |
| 23:02.14 | JeffM | brlcad, "did he pick up a flag.. did he pick up a flag?" ;) |
| 23:02.14 | Kibiz0r | Okay, cool. |
| 23:02.24 | JeffM | the actual game part is very event driven |
| 23:02.27 | JeffM | this is true |
| 23:02.41 | JeffM | but the client does to it's simulation in a loop |
| 23:02.49 | Kibiz0r | Of course. |
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| 23:03.35 | Kibiz0r | So, does the graphics system have its own model of what's going on, or does it rely on game logic data? |
| 23:03.48 | JeffM | it's all mingled now |
| 23:03.50 | Kibiz0r | (Just trying to figure out exactly what scale this thing would be) |
| 23:03.53 | JeffM | hence why we want it seperated ;) |
| 23:04.07 | rRalf | hello |
| 23:04.11 | JeffM | hello |
| 23:04.40 | brlcad | separation, encapsulation, refactoring |
| 23:04.54 | brlcad | that can be said for much/most of the codebase :) |
| 23:05.02 | JeffM | our eventual goal is to have somethign we can use in both the client and the server |
| 23:05.11 | JeffM | so that they can both have a good state |
| 23:05.21 | Kibiz0r | As in the same code running on both?? |
| 23:05.24 | brlcad | yeah, from just one place in the code |
| 23:05.27 | JeffM | that would be optimial |
| 23:05.44 | JeffM | to prevent cheats and do accurate prediciton the server needs to run a game state too |
| 23:05.44 | Kibiz0r | Hm. |
| 23:05.49 | JeffM | and do all the logic |
| 23:05.52 | Kibiz0r | Yes, obviously. |
| 23:05.56 | JeffM | then it can verify the input from clients |
| 23:05.59 | Kibiz0r | I just mean the client doesn't need to do calculation. |
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| 23:06.09 | Kibiz0r | Except to short-circuit ivnalid input. |
| 23:06.09 | JeffM | no the client would not need to do as much |
| 23:06.10 | brlcad | blast007: that proposal looked good -- they should still either submit it for feedback and/or put it in the wiki next |
| 23:06.11 | Kibiz0r | invalid* |
| 23:06.24 | Kibiz0r | And dead reckoning. |
| 23:06.24 | JeffM | well you'd want the client to do some, so it can interpolate |
| 23:06.26 | JeffM | yeah for DR |
| 23:07.06 | Kibiz0r | I'm glad to hear it's event-based, though. |
| 23:07.06 | JeffM | the client can do it's own logic, it is just as a backup to make the game more smooth and laggy |
| 23:07.07 | JeffM | less laggy |
| 23:07.12 | JeffM | it's just that logic on the client isn't trusted |
| 23:07.13 | Kibiz0r | Got ya. |
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| 23:07.56 | Kibiz0r | Is it possible to store the events you guys pass and re-issue them? |
| 23:08.03 | JeffM | why? |
| 23:08.19 | Kibiz0r | DR, save history. |
| 23:08.35 | JeffM | we store the last known state for players on the server |
| 23:08.38 | JeffM | and client I gues |
| 23:08.40 | Kibiz0r | Can reverse to when the packet was sent and apply the event. |
| 23:08.43 | JeffM | but we don't store history |
| 23:09.00 | JeffM | our state isn't realy that complex :) |
| 23:09.06 | Kibiz0r | Well, it'd just need to be position, really. |
| 23:09.07 | JeffM | mostly just an "I am here" |
| 23:09.11 | JeffM | yeah |
| 23:09.22 | JeffM | and history on that is pointless, cus all you care about is where they are now |
| 23:09.25 | Kibiz0r | Do you use a physics lib? |
| 23:09.27 | JeffM | nope |
| 23:09.35 | Kibiz0r | That would make that easier. :P |
| 23:09.45 | JeffM | we don't do real world physcics |
| 23:09.47 | brlcad | notes that there are still DR papers at http://bzflag.bz/dead-reckoning/ if folks are interested, PM me for the access details |
| 23:09.48 | JeffM | by design |
| 23:09.58 | Kibiz0r | Ah. |
| 23:10.21 | JeffM | the overiding goal of bz is to make it be a simple game to play |
| 23:10.31 | JeffM | so tanks don't get to tilt up or down |
| 23:10.38 | JeffM | or anything funky like that |
| 23:11.17 | Kibiz0r | k |
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| 23:11.45 | brlcad | JeffM: if you didn't see the thread, there's a slim chance that leslie may extend the deadline |
| 23:11.46 | Kibiz0r | Oh, fantastic. I just turned on the light and it burned out as I sat down. |
| 23:12.03 | blast007 | :) |
| 23:12.12 | JeffM | brlcad, when was it suposed to be up? |
| 23:12.15 | JeffM | monday night? |
| 23:12.24 | brlcad | there are either a *lot* of procrastinators this year, or applications are low across the board |
| 23:12.27 | brlcad | yeah |
| 23:12.52 | JeffM | and when do they want to extend it to? |
| 23:13.11 | brlcad | i think folks like debian are off in huge counts compared to this time last year, which "shouldn't" happen for the big orgs |
| 23:13.20 | Ralf_ | bye |
| 23:13.23 | brlcad | not said, just a potential extension being talked |
| 23:13.43 | brlcad | at least was -- I suppose she'll consider it on monday |
| 23:13.46 | JeffM | ahh |
| 23:14.05 | blast007 | brlcad: they have that application on the wiki as well now |
| 23:14.19 | brlcad | blast007: ah, cool -- didn't look |
| 23:14.23 | blast007 | brlcad: http://my.bzflag.org/w/User:Paul |
| 23:14.48 | brlcad | we did have about 5x as many by this time last year |
| 23:15.06 | brlcad | she thinks it might be the schedule, the dates were changed from last year |
| 23:15.27 | Kibiz0r | For me, this is a really busy time of the semester. |
| 23:16.01 | Kibiz0r | I was joking in #gsoc that I would be unable to apply because I'm too busy and then have nothing to do all summer! |
| 23:16.50 | JeffM | I thought there was more time this year |
| 23:16.53 | JeffM | the extra week and all |
| 23:17.20 | Kibiz0r | I thought applications were 24-31? |
| 23:18.00 | JeffM | there was a week before |
| 23:18.06 | JeffM | week betweeen apps and orgs |
| 23:18.20 | brlcad | a week added to talk, yeah |
| 23:18.30 | brlcad | but the week of is different I believe |
| 23:19.23 | brlcad | looks like it was *open* the 14th through 26th last year |
| 23:22.08 | brlcad | so it went from the 3rd week to the 4th week of March, either a big difference in schedules or gsoc is becoming more intimidating as it becomes more successful |
| 23:24.04 | Lukstr | last year was totally-unpossible for me |
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| 23:25.01 | brlcad | aha, she did do a full tally |
| 23:25.12 | brlcad | 1600 apps so far (there were 6300 total last year) |
| 23:25.29 | brlcad | so either 4000 in 3 days or extension |
| 23:25.35 | Lukstr | hmmm |
| 23:25.36 | JeffM | I bet it'll pickup over the weekend |
| 23:25.44 | brlcad | yeah, I was expecting hell |
| 23:25.46 | JeffM | since people are holding off till then |
| 23:25.47 | Lukstr | 75% of the apps submitted over the weekend seems a bit high |
| 23:26.14 | brlcad | it's been a lot of holding off for brl-cad too -- apps confirmed written but not submitted yet |
| 23:26.34 | Lukstr | weird, I don't get why people wait... |
| 23:26.38 | brlcad | Lukstr: it was huge last year, maybe 50-60% over the weekend |
| 23:26.42 | brlcad | just not sure 75% |
| 23:26.42 | JeffM | I know of a couple for BZ that have been writen but not submited |
| 23:27.21 | Lukstr | I'd like an extension so then I'd have more time to do a patch |
| 23:30.04 | brlcad | we have another week of evaluation for folks to get their patch in, but sooner is definitely better to bias the application with knowledge that you can code up front ;) |
| 23:30.07 | Epyon | Oh, so an deadline extension is planned? I'd sure welcome that with open arms! |
| 23:30.49 | Epyon | Lukstr, for research |
| 23:31.47 | Kibiz0r | brlcad: Unless you provide code with your application? |
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| 23:34.35 | JeffM | Epyon, not planed |
| 23:34.45 | JeffM | just in the first stages of discussion |
| 23:36.19 | Epyon | Duh, then I'd better get back to thinking about my app :/ |
| 23:39.09 | brlcad | Epyon: not planned.. just being discussed -- low probability if a bunch of people submit this weekend |
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