| 00:02.24 | Lukstr|Laptop | So, as I've poked around more, I've come to the conclusion that the bug I was intent on fixing isn't really a bug, per se |
| 00:02.41 | Lukstr|Laptop | is there really any point in submitting a patch which changes the way parts explode? |
| 00:03.41 | JeffM | if you make it look cooler, sure |
| 00:03.43 | JeffM | :) |
| 00:03.48 | Lukstr|Laptop | ehe |
| 00:03.50 | Lukstr|Laptop | okay :) |
| 00:03.59 | Lukstr|Laptop | right now it's a pseudo-spherical explosion |
| 00:06.26 | JeffM | maybe make it blow more in the direction the shot was going |
| 00:07.40 | Lukstr|Laptop | hmm |
| 00:07.59 | Lukstr|Laptop | I wonder how easy it is to get that sort of info |
| 00:08.09 | JeffM | you should have the shot that killed you |
| 00:08.21 | JeffM | and you can get it's last known postion |
| 00:08.30 | JeffM | cust that's where we did the endshot explostion |
| 00:08.31 | Lukstr|Laptop | TankSceneNode::rebuildExplosion |
| 00:08.41 | Lukstr|Laptop | same code effects any exploding tank |
| 00:08.43 | JeffM | you will have to pass in where the shot came from |
| 00:08.58 | Lukstr|Laptop | can you determine the shot for any tank's death? |
| 00:09.01 | JeffM | if you don't have a shot, pass in the same pos as the tank |
| 00:09.07 | Lukstr|Laptop | hm |
| 00:09.08 | JeffM | then do the sphere |
| 00:09.23 | JeffM | or compute a vector and just pass that in |
| 00:09.35 | JeffM | if it isn't from a shot, pass in 0,0,0 |
| 00:09.36 | JeffM | etc.. |
| 00:09.53 | Lukstr|Laptop | what's a little odd is the explosion is tied to the player, |
| 00:10.12 | JeffM | too much is tied to the player right now |
| 00:10.15 | JeffM | but that's the way it is |
| 00:10.16 | Lukstr|Laptop | so when the player does his death-hop, the explosion moves locally to where you are in the parabola |
| 00:10.28 | JeffM | yeah I'd like that seperated |
| 00:10.40 | Lukstr|Laptop | it'd be cool if there was just a tank explosion where you were shot |
| 00:11.03 | Lukstr|Laptop | but I guess since it seems to either manipulate tank bits? |
| 00:11.21 | Lukstr|Laptop | probably too much coupling to cut through |
| 00:13.55 | brlcad | could also make the explosion dependent on the energy/velocity received or the weapon type killed by too |
| 00:14.12 | JeffM | thats why I was thinking of passing in a vector |
| 00:14.16 | JeffM | that gives you dir and mag |
| 00:14.27 | JeffM | then you can send in difrent params for fun and prizes ;) |
| 00:14.33 | Lukstr|Laptop | heh |
| 00:14.52 | brlcad | and a type |
| 00:15.11 | JeffM | shockwaved tanks should just burn and disinegrate |
| 00:15.20 | brlcad | getting killed by steamroller could flatten the tank incrementally, laser could slice in half, etc |
| 00:15.26 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:15.53 | Lukstr|Laptop | heh |
| 00:16.14 | Lukstr|Laptop | that would be easier to do if the exploding tank wasn't part of the tank node |
| 00:21.08 | Lukstr|Laptop | maybe doable though |
| 00:22.18 | Lukstr|Laptop | seems like modifying a lot of methods throughout different classes to pass the data all the way down |
| 00:23.19 | JeffM | welcome to code from 1992 ;) |
| 00:23.30 | Lukstr|Laptop | yay |
| 00:26.19 | Lukstr|Laptop | seems like I'll have to mess with, Player::setExplode, StandardTankAvatar::explode, and TankSceneNode::rebuildExplosion() to do it, assuming I can do all the magic (or start it) in handleKilledMessage |
| 00:28.29 | Winny | JeffM, how'd ya sucker the people into modeling the shirts? ;) |
| 00:28.42 | Winny | "Hey, come see this! *chloroform*" |
| 00:29.28 | Lukstr|Laptop | tastes like pennies |
| 00:29.36 | Winny | hehe |
| 00:30.32 | JeffM | Winny, pizza |
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| 00:30.41 | Winny | I was close ;) |
| 00:35.17 | Winny | Bubble sorting is bad, right? |
| 00:36.00 | Lukstr|Laptop | most of the time |
| 00:36.02 | Lukstr|Laptop | what are you sorting? |
| 00:36.35 | JeffM | yeah depends on how often you sort |
| 00:36.38 | Winny | For programming class... asking the user to input rainfall amounts for x months and then sorting them into a list |
| 00:36.57 | Winny | never bothered to do it 2 months ago when we got the assignment, heh |
| 00:37.10 | Lukstr|Laptop | what's the input? |
| 00:37.24 | Lukstr|Laptop | i.e. what exactly does the user provide? |
| 00:37.39 | Lukstr|Laptop | a file or is this interactive |
| 00:37.53 | Winny | Interactive |
| 00:38.11 | Lukstr|Laptop | well, aside from bubble sort (which would probably be fine), you could sort each entry as they're added |
| 00:38.32 | Lukstr|Laptop | which is generally trivial |
| 00:38.46 | Winny | hmm, ok |
| 00:40.01 | JeffM | Winny, pick a case color |
| 00:40.26 | Winny | Oh boy, my very own jewel case? :p |
| 00:40.32 | Winny | Blue I guess |
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| 00:41.29 | JeffM | now I just have to get your bloddy 2 page shipping label to print |
| 00:41.39 | Lukstr|Laptop | query: when you get steamrolled you still pop up into the air on death? |
| 00:41.39 | Winny | ;) |
| 00:41.59 | Winny | You're poping out the back of the steamroller? ;) |
| 00:42.02 | JeffM | Lukstr|Laptop, yeah |
| 00:42.07 | JeffM | all deahts are the ssame |
| 00:42.14 | Lukstr|Laptop | awesome. This should be interesting. |
| 00:50.28 | Lukstr|Laptop | The current explosion is spherical; this means parts can have downward trajectories, which often leads to them just going through the ground |
| 00:50.56 | Lukstr|Laptop | If the tank was in the air this might be cool, would changing them to a cone-like explosion be suitable? |
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| 00:51.31 | JeffM | yeah |
| 00:51.45 | JeffM | or make them bounce off the ground, or objects ;) |
| 00:51.52 | Lukstr|Laptop | ! |
| 00:51.53 | tj13820 | could someone help me with ubuntu 7.10 problems? I installed community sources, but all i get is a black screen when I open the program |
| 00:51.56 | Lukstr|Laptop | you're evil, you know that? |
| 00:52.07 | JeffM | tj13820, what video card do you have? |
| 00:52.14 | tj13820 | Java/Flash are up to date and Nvidia drivers with full 3D accell are in use |
| 00:52.27 | JeffM | we don't juse java or flash |
| 00:52.48 | JeffM | run bzflag with -window -geometry 800x600 and see if that helps |
| 00:52.57 | tj13820 | that causes alot of problems in Ubuntu though :-P |
| 00:52.59 | tj13820 | ok |
| 00:53.20 | spldart | Oh sweet |
| 00:53.38 | tj13820 | nothing, black windows |
| 00:53.49 | spldart | explostion parts bouncing off world objects and ground is enticing |
| 00:53.52 | JeffM | wierd |
| 00:53.59 | JeffM | what nvidia card is it? |
| 00:54.05 | tj13820 | 8400 SM |
| 00:54.28 | JeffM | the drivers from the ubuntu package? or from nviida? |
| 00:55.05 | tj13820 | NVidia |
| 00:55.11 | tj13820 | i believe |
| 00:55.19 | tj13820 | how would i check to make sure |
| 00:55.25 | JeffM | how did you install them? |
| 00:56.19 | tj13820 | they were installed, i just enabled the 3D driver in restriced drivers |
| 00:56.25 | spldart | Hrm.. Does Ubuntu have prepackaged non-free Nvidia drivers as well? |
| 00:56.32 | JeffM | then that is from the package |
| 00:56.42 | JeffM | nvidia may have newer ones |
| 00:56.45 | tj13820 | alrighty |
| 00:56.53 | tj13820 | just check the sight? |
| 00:56.53 | JeffM | the other thing may be the data dir |
| 00:57.01 | JeffM | did you do a build or get bz from a package? |
| 00:57.01 | tj13820 | data dir? |
| 00:57.07 | tj13820 | you mean .bzflag in home dir |
| 00:57.30 | tj13820 | i built BZFlag, but reinstalled the package with community source 2.0.10 |
| 00:57.35 | tj13820 | 2.0.8* |
| 00:57.50 | JeffM | community source? what is that? |
| 00:58.01 | JeffM | when you did the make install, were you sudo? |
| 00:58.30 | tj13820 | yes |
| 00:58.33 | tj13820 | wait |
| 00:58.36 | tj13820 | no |
| 00:58.47 | JeffM | then you don't have a data dir |
| 00:58.51 | JeffM | that coudl be the issue |
| 00:58.51 | tj13820 | i didn't use sudo, or it would put my .bzflag in /root/ |
| 00:59.09 | JeffM | no it won't |
| 00:59.19 | tj13820 | i have a .bzf folder |
| 00:59.34 | JeffM | make install should put it in /usr/shared/games or something |
| 00:59.37 | JeffM | that is your config dir |
| 00:59.39 | JeffM | not your data dir |
| 00:59.48 | JeffM | we have resouces we need, textures and stuff |
| 00:59.52 | JeffM | fonts, etc. |
| 00:59.58 | JeffM | they are installed during the make install part |
| 01:00.02 | tj13820 | i'll check |
| 01:00.33 | tj13820 | nothing |
| 01:00.49 | tj13820 | i have no textures in /usr/share/games |
| 01:00.50 | Lukstr|Laptop | pours himself a gin and tonic |
| 01:01.05 | spldart | nice |
| 01:01.07 | spldart | sshh |
| 01:01.08 | spldart | hehe |
| 01:01.12 | Lukstr|Laptop | hah |
| 01:01.18 | JeffM | tj13820, run make install as a sudo |
| 01:01.24 | JeffM | that should help |
| 01:02.01 | Lukstr|Laptop | JeffM, I assume you're jesting about the tank-parts collisions :P |
| 01:02.09 | tj13820 | if i use cd ~/desktop/ |
| 01:02.12 | JeffM | Lukstr|Laptop, nope ;) |
| 01:02.12 | tj13820 | then sudo su |
| 01:02.22 | JeffM | tj13820, go into where the bzflag source tree is |
| 01:02.23 | Lukstr|Laptop | JeffM, That could be a whole SoC :P |
| 01:02.27 | JeffM | type sudo make install |
| 01:02.28 | JeffM | that's IT |
| 01:02.31 | tj13820 | and install a 2.0.10 package, it should work |
| 01:02.40 | JeffM | tj13820, maybe |
| 01:02.47 | JeffM | make install as root should fix it too |
| 01:02.55 | tj13820 | ok |
| 01:03.04 | tj13820 | i have the package made so, i'll do that |
| 01:03.06 | JeffM | lukstr naw, it'd be not hard, just a couple tests into the obstacle manager |
| 01:03.24 | JeffM | and what the heck do "community sources" do? |
| 01:03.30 | JeffM | is that just the source package? |
| 01:03.32 | TD-Linux | also for the restricted drivers, you have to log back out and in for them to take effect |
| 01:03.34 | spldart | ooOOoo.. that raises a query.. How do I remove a make install from a build.. completely in a debian or debian base, ubuntu, install? |
| 01:03.45 | spldart | Good call TD |
| 01:03.49 | JeffM | spldart, make install as root ;) |
| 01:04.08 | spldart | err |
| 01:04.13 | TD-Linux | spldart, you mean make uninstall? |
| 01:04.16 | JeffM | yay, all orders except for one.. done :) |
| 01:04.18 | spldart | yeah |
| 01:04.35 | JeffM | oh 2 |
| 01:04.36 | spldart | how do you uninstall without dpkg or other package manager |
| 01:04.43 | Lukstr|Laptop | Well it certainly escapes the scope of my bug fix, JeffM :P |
| 01:04.47 | JeffM | lukstr panzy ;) |
| 01:04.51 | Lukstr|Laptop | haha |
| 01:04.55 | Lukstr|Laptop | it's exam time here :P |
| 01:04.57 | JeffM | spldart, rm |
| 01:04.59 | TD-Linux | spldart, what I said :) |
| 01:05.03 | TD-Linux | sudo make uninstall |
| 01:05.04 | Lukstr|Laptop | If I had nothing else to do, I'd do it |
| 01:05.11 | spldart | realy |
| 01:05.14 | TD-Linux | just tested it, it works |
| 01:05.16 | spldart | just make unistall |
| 01:05.19 | spldart | ooops sp |
| 01:05.22 | TD-Linux | yes |
| 01:05.22 | spldart | that easy? |
| 01:05.30 | Lukstr|Laptop | why wouldn't it be? |
| 01:05.32 | TD-Linux | that easy |
| 01:05.37 | spldart | never have done that before.. never need3d |
| 01:06.03 | spldart | I've always run testing outta root |
| 01:06.16 | spldart | and only installed branch once for the life of an install |
| 01:06.18 | tj13820 | how do i run a package from my desktop with dpkg? |
| 01:06.29 | Lukstr|Laptop | tj13820, I direct you to man dpkg |
| 01:06.30 | TD-Linux | what? |
| 01:06.30 | tj13820 | sudo dpkg /home/user/Desktop/package? |
| 01:06.39 | TD-Linux | you could also click the package |
| 01:06.44 | TD-Linux | and it will start a graphical installer |
| 01:06.46 | tj13820 | i need it as root |
| 01:07.00 | TD-Linux | the installer should ask you for the password |
| 01:08.15 | tj13820 | well, it won't install my textures |
| 01:09.03 | tj13820 | wait, it's usr/share/bzflag |
| 01:09.10 | tj13820 | a bunch of pictures/files |
| 01:09.23 | TD-Linux | oh okay then you do have data |
| 01:09.32 | TD-Linux | tj13820, open a terminal and type glxgears |
| 01:10.47 | spldart | does ubuntu still support fps reports from glxgears.. Debian doesn't anymore :-( |
| 01:10.50 | spldart | Ah :( |
| 01:11.01 | TD-Linux | -showfps |
| 01:11.05 | TD-Linux | if it doesn't |
| 01:11.08 | TD-Linux | but it does on my machine |
| 01:11.22 | spldart | ooOOoo.... turns left to his other boxen |
| 01:11.29 | TD-Linux | takes 5 seconds to show though |
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| 01:11.40 | tj13820 | well, waht was that? |
| 01:11.46 | tj13820 | i had to restart X server |
| 01:12.03 | TD-Linux | ouch |
| 01:12.17 | TD-Linux | sounds like you didn't restart X server after installing nvidia drivers |
| 01:12.28 | tj13820 | uhm, i restarted my computer |
| 01:12.32 | TD-Linux | oh |
| 01:12.46 | TD-Linux | also, ubuntu's nvidia drivers are old and don't have the greatest support for the 8 series |
| 01:12.47 | tj13820 | how would i fix that if so though? |
| 01:13.08 | TD-Linux | you could upgrade to hardy, or install the drivers manually |
| 01:13.23 | Think_Differentl | you could just install the proprietary nvidia drivers... |
| 01:13.38 | TD-Linux | Think_Differentl: that's what the restricted driver manager does |
| 01:13.42 | TD-Linux | it's just that gutsy's are old |
| 01:13.59 | TD-Linux | has hardy kernel + drivers installed for his 570m (8600) |
| 01:14.02 | Think_Differentl | TD-Linux, hmm, I suppose you could always download the packages from the nvidia site |
| 01:14.14 | TD-Linux | exactly |
| 01:14.26 | Think_Differentl | that's what I do with my 8600. |
| 01:14.36 | tj13820 | i'm on NVidia now |
| 01:14.38 | TD-Linux | gutsy drivers worked for me with my 570m, but I think the 8400 is newer |
| 01:14.39 | tj13820 | i'll upgrade |
| 01:14.42 | tj13820 | yup |
| 01:15.07 | spldart | nope -showfps no worky debian etch with non-free nvidia driver |
| 01:16.40 | TD-Linux | :( |
| 01:16.43 | TD-Linux | --showfps? |
| 01:17.21 | spldart | I'm sad two about that |
| 01:17.28 | spldart | oh |
| 01:17.39 | spldart | nope |
| 01:18.09 | spldart | I've not found a good benchmark except bzflag for deb etch |
| 01:19.42 | tj13820 | help :-P |
| 01:19.57 | tj13820 | i can only find .run in suse format for my Nvidia card |
| 01:19.58 | spldart | sry |
| 01:20.23 | Think_Differentl | tj13820, are you running i386 or 64? |
| 01:20.28 | tj13820 | i386 |
| 01:20.39 | Think_Differentl | 8400GS? 8400? |
| 01:20.44 | tj13820 | 8400GS |
| 01:20.54 | tj13820 | 8400M GS (laptop) |
| 01:21.30 | spldart | did you do the 'type glxgears' thing TD recommended? |
| 01:21.40 | spldart | And did that start up fine? |
| 01:21.48 | Think_Differentl | http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/169.12/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run |
| 01:22.01 | Think_Differentl | you prolly want to download that. |
| 01:22.06 | spldart | OH! He's on Xfree? |
| 01:22.14 | Think_Differentl | http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_169.12.html |
| 01:22.17 | tj13820 | that's in a .run file |
| 01:22.31 | Think_Differentl | tj13820, yeah, it's self extracting |
| 01:22.35 | JeffM | tj13820, so it did not install the data files? |
| 01:22.39 | JeffM | or did it? |
| 01:22.42 | tj13820 | ohh, hold on |
| 01:22.45 | Think_Differentl | you boot up, run sh ./file.run and the installer runs |
| 01:22.59 | Think_Differentl | I think it requires root perms to run |
| 01:24.05 | tj13820 | how do i exit an X server whilst using a gui |
| 01:24.30 | Think_Differentl | tj13820, try killing X and gdm |
| 01:24.36 | tj13820 | how? |
| 01:24.41 | Think_Differentl | /etc/init.d/gdm stop should work if you're on debian |
| 01:24.48 | tj13820 | i'm on gnome |
| 01:24.59 | spldart | Just try it |
| 01:25.07 | spldart | gnome is just a window manager on top of X |
| 01:25.23 | Think_Differentl | tj13820, after you kill the X server, you should run the .run file |
| 01:25.29 | spldart | gah |
| 01:25.36 | spldart | he exited xchat didn't he |
| 01:25.43 | Think_Differentl | yep :P |
| 01:25.49 | spldart | poop |
| 01:25.56 | spldart | he's gonna get frustrated |
| 01:25.57 | spldart | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.46 | JeffM | did he actualy get the data dir to be installed? |
| 01:28.16 | spldart | don't think so but not sure |
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| 01:28.42 | JeffM | if that ain't right, then drivers won't help him |
| 01:28.49 | tj13820 | arghhhhhhhh |
| 01:28.57 | JeffM | tj13820, did the make isntall or the pack age work? |
| 01:29.00 | spldart | sry.. answer JeffM's next query |
| 01:29.00 | tj13820 | i did it, and just got stop scripts |
| 01:29.16 | JeffM | cus no amount of driver installs will fix a missing data dir |
| 01:29.30 | tj13820 | no, it's a problem with my NVidia drivers |
| 01:30.22 | tj13820 | i need an easy way to install the dang NVidia driver |
| 01:31.02 | JeffM | install windows ;) |
| 01:31.07 | spldart | GAH! |
| 01:31.22 | spldart | Nvidia driver has to be installed while gdm and X are not running |
| 01:31.54 | spldart | As far as 3D is concerned Linux is in some ways as bad as windows 95 or 98 hehe |
| 01:32.06 | spldart | ducks |
| 01:32.09 | spldart | just joking |
| 01:32.11 | spldart | n'stuff |
| 01:32.46 | Think_Differentl | I haven't had any issues with the nVidia linux drivers... |
| 01:32.47 | tj13820 | i am getting a mac in 2 weeks |
| 01:32.55 | tj13820 | >_< |
| 01:33.02 | spldart | I HAVE! errh.. sry |
| 01:33.08 | tj13820 | ? |
| 01:33.16 | spldart | Mac 'eh |
| 01:33.22 | tj13820 | mhmm |
| 01:33.31 | tj13820 | Windows - Conformist |
| 01:33.43 | JeffM | ahh, so then you can also have old drivers |
| 01:33.48 | JeffM | and no way to update them ;) |
| 01:33.50 | spldart | Windows and linux both have their advantages |
| 01:33.55 | spldart | dual boots FTW |
| 01:33.57 | tj13820 | Mac - Hippies |
| 01:33.58 | Lukstr|Laptop | hehe |
| 01:34.00 | tj13820 | :-P |
| 01:34.07 | Lukstr|Laptop | spldart, virtualization ftw |
| 01:34.10 | tj13820 | iMovie , no export, just share |
| 01:34.12 | spldart | hehe |
| 01:35.56 | Think_Differentl | just wondering, does anyone know the tar option to span backups across multiple tapes? I can't seem to find it. |
| 01:36.08 | Lukstr|Laptop | Think_Differentl, oh dear |
| 01:36.12 | spldart | wow |
| 01:36.13 | spldart | lol |
| 01:36.20 | Lukstr|Laptop | you're hardcore |
| 01:36.26 | spldart | x2 |
| 01:36.34 | Think_Differentl | I'm not hardcore, I just really need to backup :/ |
| 01:36.40 | Lukstr|Laptop | hehe |
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| 01:37.22 | Lukstr|Laptop | Think_Differentl, actual tapes or do you refer to the tar's themselves |
| 01:37.42 | Think_Differentl | Lukstr|Laptop, actual tapes. DDS-4 |
| 01:38.03 | spldart | He's hardcore |
| 01:38.08 | Think_Differentl | I got a free tape drive and I'd like to put it to use :P |
| 01:38.09 | Lukstr|Laptop | yeah |
| 01:38.34 | Lukstr|Laptop | Think_Differentl, it's in the man page apparently |
| 01:38.36 | Think_Differentl | ah, I found the option. it's -M |
| 01:38.36 | Lukstr|Laptop | I just looked |
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| 01:40.58 | Lukstr|Laptop | really needs to build that SAN.... |
| 01:41.07 | a_meteorite | I heard SAN |
| 01:41.14 | Lukstr|Laptop | haha |
| 01:41.33 | Lukstr|Laptop | a_meteorite, sorry to have aroused you :) |
| 01:41.45 | a_meteorite | Np, post pictures |
| 01:41.57 | Lukstr|Laptop | wish I had a SAN... |
| 01:42.12 | a_meteorite | me too |
| 01:42.24 | Lukstr|Laptop | the last place I worked had a really sweet san |
| 01:42.34 | Lukstr|Laptop | it was disgustingly awesome. |
| 01:42.41 | a_meteorite | :D |
| 01:42.45 | Lukstr|Laptop | I got to tour it the day the AC was getting repaired |
| 01:43.17 | Lukstr|Laptop | Should the building explode and turn into nothing but a smoldering pit, at any given time only 10 minutes of data was lost |
| 01:43.23 | Lukstr|Laptop | they were looking to increase that to 5 minutes |
| 01:43.33 | a_meteorite | hehe |
| 01:43.44 | Lukstr|Laptop | yeah it was sexy |
| 01:44.05 | Lukstr|Laptop | when I buy my warehouse, I tell you :P |
| 01:44.22 | a_meteorite | I'd probably come and visit too |
| 01:44.57 | Lukstr|Laptop | heh |
| 01:45.05 | Lukstr|Laptop | I'll be sure to set aside a chair |
| 01:51.11 | JeffM | Erroneous, if I want to add a MOTD ,do I set it as 2.0? |
| 01:51.34 | Erroneous | if you want it to apply to 2.0, yes |
| 01:52.16 | JeffM | I want it to apply to everyone :) |
| 01:52.24 | JeffM | I want them to buy a shirt :) |
| 01:53.11 | Erroneous | I believe the MOTD setter applet has help that explains how to make it apply to any given range |
| 01:53.50 | Erroneous | but you probably want 0.0 |
| 01:53.56 | Erroneous | to apply to everyone |
| 01:54.11 | JeffM | hmm didn't see any help |
| 01:54.20 | Erroneous | click "version" |
| 01:54.26 | Erroneous | it's a link |
| 01:54.30 | Erroneous | to a popup window |
| 01:54.45 | JeffM | I did, it sorted them by version |
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| 01:55.01 | tj13820 | got it |
| 01:55.05 | tj13820 | had to think for about an hor |
| 01:55.07 | tj13820 | hour* |
| 01:55.08 | Erroneous | click add, THEN click version |
| 01:55.17 | tj13820 | ctrl-alt-F2 |
| 01:55.26 | tj13820 | sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop |
| 01:55.29 | JeffM | ahh got it, thanks |
| 01:55.33 | tj13820 | cd ~/Desktop/ |
| 01:55.45 | tj13820 | sudo sh ./NVidia |
| 01:55.55 | tj13820 | sudo invoke-rc.d gdm start |
| 01:56.03 | tj13820 | ctrl-alt-f7 |
| 01:56.11 | tj13820 | and welcome to 169.12 |
| 01:56.30 | tj13820 | now BZ works, and my graphics are purty |
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| 01:57.29 | tj13820 | i'm off to check my lag |
| 01:57.40 | Awesome_Sauce | That's right, the Awesome Sauce is here |
| 01:58.28 | Think_Differentl | tj13820, congrats :) |
| 01:59.29 | tj13820 | i can't beleive it was all because i didn't have Direct Rendering enabled through community provided packages |
| 01:59.59 | tj13820 | i'd like to upgrade to Hardy, but i can't right now :-( but i hope this fix will help more people with NVidia cards :-) |
| 02:01.14 | tj13820 | could the dev's possibly put a script in BZ (for linux) that checks such things as Direct rendering, and Open GL support, and gives a report upon failure to load? |
| 02:02.06 | AHA | patches welcome :) |
| 02:02.37 | awilcox | tj13820: write one and add it to the SF patches page. |
| 02:02.47 | tj13820 | alright, i'll try |
| 02:02.59 | tj13820 | i don't know exactly what i'll be able to do though :-P |
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| 02:06.41 | tj13820 | well, thank you all, and good night |
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| 02:10.05 | TD-Linux | finds it slightly irritating that each svn update seems to force him to do a full recompile? |
| 02:10.18 | JeffM | just wait till I commit again |
| 02:10.20 | spldart | Install windos |
| 02:10.27 | spldart | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.36 | spldart | ;-) |
| 02:10.54 | spldart | Saving up a huge commit? |
| 02:11.21 | TD-Linux | is thinking about fixing font hinting if nobody has fixed it yet |
| 02:13.36 | spldart | [pinhead]Time to play[/pinhead] |
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| 02:21.38 | TD-Linux | oh oh |
| 02:21.48 | TD-Linux | latest bzflag from svn crashes again |
| 02:22.19 | Lukstr|Laptop | TD-Linux, when'd you pull it? |
| 02:22.26 | TD-Linux | 10 min ago |
| 02:22.29 | Lukstr|Laptop | hm |
| 02:22.36 | Lukstr|Laptop | I pulled mine a few hours ago and it builds |
| 02:22.45 | TD-Linux | mine did a few days ago as well |
| 02:23.28 | bz93 | Hello everone, im having a problem with bzflag and id like some help |
| 02:23.41 | TD-Linux | anyone want to fix the font bug? I just found it :> |
| 02:24.01 | TD-Linux | in FTGLTextureFont.cpp |
| 02:24.03 | TD-Linux | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.17 | TD-Linux | why on earth is FT_LOAD_NO_HINTING in there? |
| 02:24.32 | bz93 | (i was looking for someone to say "sure, id love to try to help, whats wrong?") |
| 02:24.58 | TD-Linux | bz93, just ask |
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| 02:25.31 | bz93 | ok, i tured up the bama "brightness" inside the game, and it is suppose to turn the game back down when i exit |
| 02:25.34 | bz93 | which it does |
| 02:25.43 | bz93 | but occasionally when it crashes, it doesnt turn the gama back down |
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| 02:26.00 | bz93 | and over the number of times it has crashed, i cant turn my monitor gama setting down any more to correct |
| 02:26.08 | TD-Linux | bz93, oh I see |
| 02:26.18 | TD-Linux | the problem is it's not adjusting your monitor's gamma |
| 02:26.24 | TD-Linux | it's adjusting it in the video card |
| 02:26.43 | bz93 | and i have tried... that is set as low as it goes, as well as on my monitor |
| 02:26.44 | TD-Linux | so you shouldn't adjust your monitor settings |
| 02:26.53 | TD-Linux | you want to go into bzflag and turn it down too |
| 02:27.08 | bz93 | id like to turn it down in bzflag and then make it crash some how... |
| 02:27.19 | TD-Linux | oh I see |
| 02:27.21 | bz93 | but i know that isnt possible |
| 02:27.35 | TD-Linux | so it's changing gamma somewhere else... |
| 02:27.41 | bz93 | so it is changing the gama setting on my vid card somewhere that i cant directly access |
| 02:27.42 | TD-Linux | bz93, what OS? |
| 02:27.50 | bz93 | windows xp |
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| 02:28.03 | TD-Linux | oh hmm might be good to ask in your videocard vendor's forum or something? |
| 02:28.17 | bz93 | i came here first hoping. |
| 02:28.30 | TD-Linux | aah, No, I don't know how to fix it, maybe if you wait a bit... |
| 02:28.31 | bz93 | that someone else might have already dealt with this |
| 02:28.51 | Winny | the way I fixed it was I turned my brightness down |
| 02:28.59 | Winny | so BZ didn't adjust my gamma |
| 02:29.00 | Winny | :P |
| 02:29.00 | bz93 | on what? |
| 02:29.08 | bz93 | oh, too late. |
| 02:29.12 | Winny | in game..settings |
| 02:29.13 | mbfg | reboot |
| 02:29.23 | bz93 | if i turn it down now in bz then it is black. |
| 02:29.33 | bz93 | reboot is no help. what bzflag changes is the default |
| 02:29.37 | bz93 | and it comes right up the same |
| 02:29.42 | Winny | o.O |
| 02:29.46 | mbfg | really! i've never seen that |
| 02:30.02 | bz93 | and now i have a really really bright screen... permanently |
| 02:30.10 | bz93 | it makes me frown |
| 02:30.29 | TD-Linux | BTW my BZFlag is crashing right after the performance check |
| 02:30.47 | bz93 | guys know a good way to crash bzflag... so i could turn brightness all the way down in the game and crash it? |
| 02:31.14 | mbfg | can't you just terminate the process? |
| 02:31.25 | mbfg | thru taskman |
| 02:31.31 | TD-Linux | Lukstr|Laptop: did you try updating? |
| 02:31.40 | bz93 | if i switch to the taskman, it minimizes bzflags |
| 02:31.49 | bz93 | and undoes the settings change |
| 02:31.53 | mbfg | mm |
| 02:31.55 | bz93 | back to default |
| 02:32.06 | bz93 | yeah... |
| 02:32.07 | Lukstr|Laptop | TD-Linux, not within the last few hours |
| 02:32.12 | TD-Linux | :/ |
| 02:32.17 | TD-Linux | dunno if the segfault is me then |
| 02:33.21 | TD-Linux | JeffM, you there? |
| 02:33.21 | mbfg | bz93, loading a gigantic map file should do it |
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| 02:33.48 | TD-Linux | if you are, can you test getting rid of that hinting option to see if it fixes fonts? |
| 02:34.30 | mbfg | i'd guess the hinting is off for performance |
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| 02:37.36 | JeffM | TD-Linux, yeah |
| 02:38.56 | TD-Linux | JeffM, scroll up to see it, or I can repaste :) |
| 02:39.32 | TD-Linux | src/other/ftgl/src/FTGLTextureFont.cpp remove the FT_LOAD_NO_HINTING |
| 02:39.55 | TD-Linux | would test himself if not for the segfault |
| 02:41.23 | JeffM | I can't build |
| 02:41.29 | JeffM | like so very very can't build |
| 02:41.34 | JeffM | 70ish errors |
| 02:41.44 | TD-Linux | I see :/ |
| 02:42.00 | TD-Linux | thinks he can test it himself if he can see the font quick before it crashes... |
| 02:42.18 | awilcox | TD-Linux: hook bz to gdb or something so you can pause it |
| 02:42.58 | TD-Linux | actually, looks like FT_LOAD_NO_HINTING should become FT_LOAD_DEFAULT |
| 02:46.10 | TD-Linux | that doesn't seem to affect anything :/ |
| 02:46.15 | spldart | :0 |
| 02:46.22 | TD-Linux | from the 3 seconds I can see |
| 02:48.28 | TD-Linux | fonts actually look a bit blurrier, weird |
| 02:48.43 | TD-Linux | it better not be scaling textures... |
| 02:48.57 | TD-Linux | rebuilds bzflag from scratch |
| 02:56.08 | awilcox | JeffM and Erroneous both quitting?! |
| 02:56.19 | awilcox | I call power fail. |
| 03:01.06 | spldart | bzzt |
| 03:01.07 | spldart | short circuit |
| 03:02.51 | Lukstr|Laptop | it's always your fault :P |
| 03:03.21 | spldart | bzzt |
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| 03:06.11 | awilcox | hah |
| 03:11.35 | spldart | Time to excersize my vital powers along lines of excellence in a life affording me scope |
| 03:12.53 | spldart | list server is a tad slow |
| 03:13.35 | spldart | meh.. it's alot slow |
| 03:14.30 | spldart | Ok.. list server is gone for me |
| 03:14.45 | delusional_ | me too |
| 03:14.59 | spldart | my.bzflag.org is dead |
| 03:15.06 | delusional_ | back now? |
| 03:15.13 | spldart | I think ddos again mabye? |
| 03:16.03 | spldart | poop.. now I play the server I already have in cache.. my own server or naughta |
| 03:17.18 | spldart | growl snarl |
| 03:18.04 | spldart | no registered play |
| 03:18.05 | awilcox | spldart: maybe all of CA went dead. |
| 03:18.11 | spldart | hrm |
| 03:18.23 | spldart | first the two powers that be then servers |
| 03:18.24 | spldart | hrm |
| 03:18.59 | awilcox | Erroneous is gone, JeffM gone, my.bzf.org dead, list server... |
| 03:18.59 | DTRemenak | is just fine thanks |
| 03:18.59 | awilcox | Something's fishy. |
| 03:18.59 | spldart | Ah |
| 03:19.00 | spldart | whew |
| 03:19.00 | awilcox | DTRemenak: yay! |
| 03:19.00 | DTRemenak | jeff and I just, y'know, went HOME |
| 03:19.00 | spldart | Some Ca is still alinve |
| 03:19.00 | spldart | alive |
| 03:19.01 | spldart | So did list server |
| 03:19.07 | awilcox | DTRemenak: home? what's that? :P |
| 03:19.15 | DTRemenak | list server is in florida anyway |
| 03:19.21 | awilcox | Oh great. |
| 03:19.24 | DTRemenak | awilcox: ~ ;) |
| 03:19.25 | awilcox | You want _me_ to fix it, then. |
| 03:19.26 | spldart | Someone nuked florida |
| 03:19.36 | awilcox | spldart: *glow* |
| 03:19.41 | spldart | :-D |
| 03:19.44 | spldart | Yay |
| 03:19.47 | spldart | I like glows |
| 03:19.49 | spldart | and brains |
| 03:19.51 | spldart | and taco's |
| 03:20.00 | spldart | and taquitos |
| 03:20.13 | awilcox | Actually I do not glow. Therefore Florida is not nuked. |
| 03:20.24 | awilcox | Besides, if Florida got nuked, then Wiki would be dead too |
| 03:20.33 | spldart | Awww.. I wanted to explode [/invader zim] |
| 03:20.56 | delusional_ | http://www.internetpulse.net/ I've never seen that with better numbers |
| 03:21.30 | delusional_ | amazingly good numbers, right now. |
| 03:21.34 | spldart | of course.. half the nation went offline.. when bzflag crashed |
| 03:21.56 | spldart | ;-) |
| 03:22.01 | awilcox | wow |
| 03:22.03 | awilcox | :P |
| 03:22.11 | awilcox | good point. nobody to create latency. |
| 03:22.20 | spldart | lolz |
| 03:22.21 | awilcox | I wonder what comcrap uses |
| 03:22.28 | spldart | dunno |
| 03:22.31 | delusional_ | when the listserver appears down, I always check that link first, |
| 03:22.43 | spldart | I'm on comcast here and ssh'd into SWB dsl @ work |
| 03:22.45 | awilcox | let's see a traceroute to bzf.org |
| 03:23.01 | spldart | poop |
| 03:23.13 | awilcox | 10.0.0.1, cable modem, Lake Worth, Pompano Beach, Dade, Miami, Atlanta, McLean, VA |
| 03:23.18 | awilcox | And I'm at savvis.net |
| 03:23.19 | spldart | don't have winroute pro installed on this rig |
| 03:23.30 | spldart | oops |
| 03:23.32 | spldart | now winroute |
| 03:23.37 | spldart | the other proggie |
| 03:23.55 | awilcox | I bounce around savvis into Santa Clara SC8, and then hit SourceForge.net. |
| 03:24.11 | awilcox | >_> That wasn't a SpamChick ping! |
| 03:24.11 | spldart | Ok.. server is very VERY slow |
| 03:24.53 | awilcox | m.b.o gets me 57max/55min/56avg |
| 03:25.52 | awilcox | I still have to wonder why my packet travels way, way South of me, into LW, PB, Dade, Miami, before hitting Atlants. |
| 03:26.01 | awilcox | *Atlanta |
| 03:26.18 | awilcox | Can't I go straight from LW to Atlanta? |
| 03:27.24 | spldart | of course not.. it's to logical |
| 03:28.41 | awilcox | Oh right, we're dealing with comcrap here. |
| 03:29.22 | awilcox | Dang, spell check doesn't check everything. |
| 03:29.49 | spldart | Nope |
| 03:30.07 | spldart | Yes, No, maybe so |
| 03:30.48 | awilcox | "compete" and "complete" are both spelled right. |
| 03:30.57 | awilcox | However, a system shouldn't "compete" for the following as one transcation :P |
| 03:49.05 | spldart | list server ssttiill ssllooww for anyone else? |
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| 03:51.55 | spldart | yep.. bzflag is still dead meat |
| 03:52.31 | spldart | Jeff.. Are you able to look into what maybe a second ddos on list server.. or possibly something else causing incredible unresponsiveness |
| 03:53.26 | spldart | poop.. shoulda pinged brl again.. maybe he's around and just needed a noise from his pc |
| 03:53.29 | spldart | ;-) |
| 03:53.47 | spldart | s//again |
| 03:54.31 | spldart | goes back to watch Enterprise |
| 03:58.47 | JeffM | it's probalby just another attack |
| 03:58.55 | JeffM | not much we can do cept let it pass |
| 03:59.37 | spldart | Query: If the list server duties were spread out over multiverse would an attack be less effective? |
| 03:59.46 | spldart | heh |
| 04:00.11 | spldart | couldn't resist 'the one' reference |
| 04:03.17 | JeffM | that'd be the point |
| 04:03.27 | JeffM | god that movie was horrible |
| 04:04.12 | spldart | can't wait for the jackie chan and jet li movie |
| 04:04.32 | spldart | That's one for the whole family |
| 04:06.43 | JeffM | DTRemenak: don't forget to spell check my MOTD :) |
| 04:07.43 | spldart | it's back |
| 04:08.05 | JeffM | from ourterspace |
| 04:12.14 | spldart | Like the killer clowns? |
| 04:13.35 | JeffM | thinks L4m3r should check his mail tomoorow |
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| 04:14.06 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JBdiGriz] by ChanServ |
| 04:14.12 | JeffM | it's the JBdiGriz |
| 04:14.24 | JeffM | the man with the outstanding order :) |
| 04:16.42 | JBdiGriz | Where is it standing? |
| 04:16.59 | JeffM | under my desk at work |
| 04:17.28 | JBdiGriz | Cool, do I have to pay storage fees until I get up there? |
| 04:17.43 | JeffM | looks a lot like this |
| 04:17.44 | JeffM | http://store.bzflag.org/images/shirts/F_Black_Hoodie_front_back_LN.png |
| 04:17.45 | JeffM | but blue |
| 04:18.05 | delusional_ | standing on the ledge outside the window, 14'th floor |
| 04:18.06 | JeffM | DTRemenak charges a $ a day for on site security |
| 04:18.10 | JBdiGriz | It would never look like that on me. |
| 04:18.30 | JBdiGriz | Is DTRemenak old enough for a beer? |
| 04:18.38 | JeffM | techincaly yes |
| 04:18.48 | JeffM | getting him to drink it... that's another story |
| 04:19.09 | JBdiGriz | It just means he can join us, he can order what he will drink. ;) |
| 04:19.24 | JeffM | we've come to an accord, he'll dispose of any execess pizza I may come across, and I'll do the same for beer |
| 04:19.52 | JBdiGriz | I would suggest a good exercise program for both of you. |
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| 04:20.23 | eTangenT | Exercise programs are unnecessary. |
| 04:20.23 | eTangenT | Pizza and beer are all you need. |
| 04:20.30 | spldart | w0rd |
| 04:20.34 | eTangenT | Oh, and virtual tanks exploding. |
| 04:20.34 | eTangenT | Those are good too. |
| 04:20.46 | JeffM | the olive shirt came out very nice. I may have to order one of those next time |
| 04:21.09 | brlcad | likes the black hoodie |
| 04:21.22 | JeffM | they look prety good |
| 04:21.24 | spldart | needs some pizza to go with his beer |
| 04:21.39 | JeffM | http://www.opencombat.net/Shirt_models/Shirt_colors.png |
| 04:25.44 | Lukstr|Laptop | anyone want to join the 3.0 norang server so I can shoot you? :) |
| 04:26.11 | Lukstr|Laptop | bzflag3.norang.ca I think |
| 04:26.50 | spldart | lol |
| 04:27.02 | Lukstr|Laptop | spldart, you know you want to |
| 04:29.16 | AAA_awright | I implemented single-sign on with MediaWiki ^_^ (kinda) |
| 04:29.34 | AAA_awright | Not anything official, still testing. |
| 04:29.42 | Lukstr|Laptop | heh, apparently 30 degrees is far too steep for exploding tanks |
| 04:29.47 | spldart | hehe |
| 04:29.54 | Lukstr|Laptop | I guess since you go up too |
| 04:29.56 | Lukstr|Laptop | it looks pretty silly |
| 04:30.02 | spldart | 30 degrees of esploding spldart parts that is |
| 04:30.08 | Lukstr|Laptop | indeed! |
| 04:30.30 | spldart | :-D |
| 04:30.57 | Lukstr|Laptop | come back spldart :) |
| 04:33.06 | Lukstr|Laptop | bah, this is the silliest patch ever |
| 04:34.56 | Lukstr|Laptop | night all |
| 04:38.38 | spldart | hehe |
| 04:38.45 | spldart | oh |
| 04:38.46 | spldart | snap |
| 04:38.53 | spldart | .. was talking to Pogovina |
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| 04:50.06 | spldart | windoze xp is crashing.. cyah later |
| 05:17.31 | Flash | so it the "font problem" well known and someone is looking at it? |
| 05:17.40 | Flash | or are there several font problems? |
| 05:18.20 | brlcad | several issues |
| 05:18.32 | brlcad | so feel free to fix the one you've encountered :) |
| 05:18.41 | Flash | that was the basic question |
| 05:18.52 | Flash | brlcad: have you debugged a mac version before? |
| 05:19.00 | Flash | (stupid question?) |
| 05:25.48 | brlcad | sure |
| 05:26.00 | brlcad | no different than debugging on any other bsd or linux box |
| 05:26.48 | Flash | when the program hangs/crashes, my gdb terminal window won't let me type in it. I have mouse control by no keyboard control |
| 05:27.03 | Flash | the only way back is to close the terminal window |
| 05:29.21 | brlcad | are you running windowed or full-screen? |
| 05:29.28 | Flash | full-screen |
| 05:29.42 | brlcad | try windowed |
| 05:29.44 | Flash | if I run windowed, it doesn't crash (repeatably) |
| 05:29.50 | brlcad | heh |
| 05:29.52 | Flash | full-screen crashes immediately |
| 05:30.11 | brlcad | well, you need a remote debugger if it's full-screen |
| 05:30.21 | Flash | I have a second monitor |
| 05:30.23 | brlcad | or just look at the crash report |
| 05:30.39 | Flash | but I guess you are telling me that the app steals the keyboard |
| 05:30.40 | brlcad | second monitor won't work |
| 05:30.49 | brlcad | full-screen apps acquire all input focus |
| 05:31.14 | Flash | ok. I guess I'll have to liberate the wife's laptop |
| 05:31.40 | JeffM | it won't swap focus over to the debuger on the break? |
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| 05:33.07 | brlcad | maybe if debugged through xcode but I've not tested |
| 05:33.38 | brlcad | through terminal, input is heavily indirected |
| 05:34.48 | Flash | I tried xcode once, but I forgot to put it on the second monitor, and I had to reboot |
| 05:35.31 | Flash | it's worth another try (even though I now have the second laptop) |
| 05:38.22 | Flash | well, at least xcode has a gui on gdb, but no keyboard input there either |
| 05:38.53 | Flash | warning: can't find linker symbol for virtual table for `FTFont' value |
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| 05:42.28 | brlcad | Flash: have you looked at the crash logs? |
| 05:42.37 | brlcad | they have a stack trace in them |
| 05:46.35 | Flash | yes |
| 05:46.56 | Flash | interestingly, if I let it run (no gdb) I crash in a slightly different place |
| 06:10.39 | Flash | I thought I had seen a bit of discussion about the font system recently. Is this under active development? |
| 06:15.20 | brlcad | on and off |
| 06:15.38 | brlcad | I finished what I was working on a few days ago |
| 06:16.08 | brlcad | but otherwise, sure -- everything on head is "under active development" |
| 06:16.33 | Flash | I'm surprised to see void* and c-style casts.... |
| 06:18.04 | brlcad | if you're compiling head, that PRESUMES that you are capable of working through things not working, fixing code, etc .. otherwise folks shouldn't be compiling head no matter how tantalizing |
| 06:18.46 | awilcox | head? |
| 06:18.57 | brlcad | latest trunk code |
| 06:19.05 | awilcox | oh, trunk. |
| 06:19.22 | awilcox | yeah trunk is fun when you have time on your hands and nothing to do :) |
| 06:19.48 | awilcox | after my current project simmers down, I'd like to do some bztrunking |
| 06:23.08 | Flash | I'm also surprised to see printf's... |
| 06:27.38 | brlcad | you're very easily surprised then |
| 06:27.51 | Flash | or I expect too much |
| 06:28.16 | Flash | of course, I was thwacked for trying to change code to state-of-the-practice style a while back |
| 06:28.34 | brlcad | there are just a few temp ones in fontmanager used for tracing down an issue |
| 06:28.56 | brlcad | i highly doubt that, code is changed all the time |
| 06:29.16 | brlcad | failures to make the change are almost always the manner in which they are performed |
| 06:33.20 | Flash | so would I get thwapped for changing printf to cout? |
| 06:33.44 | brlcad | I presume you're talking about fontmanager? or something else? |
| 06:33.52 | Flash | FontManager at this moment |
| 06:33.56 | brlcad | fontmanager's is only there to trace down current issues |
| 06:34.05 | brlcad | i.e. temp code |
| 06:34.18 | brlcad | once everything is working, that code goes away |
| 06:34.45 | Flash | is that a reason not to use the C++ I/O facilities rather than the C library? |
| 06:34.57 | Flash | or, does it matter to you or anyone else if I change it? |
| 06:35.08 | Flash | (since someone would have to accept my patch in any event) |
| 06:35.17 | brlcad | i don't think anyone cares |
| 06:35.35 | brlcad | the point was just quick testing code, consistent flush behavior |
| 06:35.48 | Flash | OK. Little things make me happy |
| 06:35.50 | brlcad | that code could be gone tomorrow |
| 06:36.00 | brlcad | i'm saying there are *much* better things to worry about |
| 06:36.11 | Flash | we all have to start somewhere.... |
| 06:36.24 | brlcad | having someone waste their time to apply a patch that doesn't do anything is .. a waste of your time and their time |
| 06:37.03 | Flash | I wouldn't submit a patch just for that, but if as part of something that WAS useful... |
| 06:37.07 | brlcad | if you want to help, find the crash |
| 06:37.13 | brlcad | no, don't mix patches |
| 06:37.15 | Flash | I'm working on it |
| 06:38.08 | Manu | yawns |
| 06:38.13 | brlcad | that's horrible practice -- a patch should be succint and easily reviewed, not a mix of code cleanup, ws changes, renames, etc -- that just makes reviewing the patch hell |
| 06:39.05 | Flash | someday I'd love to be able to do code cleanup. I guess that day isn't today |
| 06:39.15 | brlcad | if you want to change the printf's, that'd be a patch by itself but seriously .. that was temp code written in like 5 minutes not intended to be kept beyond the life of current fontmanager testing |
| 06:39.33 | Flash | ok, I'm past that. Thanks |
| 06:42.17 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16902 10/trunk/bzflag/src/3D/FontManager.cxx: this debugging crap and all associated printfs disappear when fontmanager is verified to be working. there is still a problem in the destructor that needs to be further investigated and fixed. |
| 06:42.42 | Flash | nooo. you changed it! |
| 06:43.16 | brlcad | like I said -- totally temp code, subject to change |
| 06:43.32 | brlcad | why else do you think it was intentionally all wrapped in #ifdefs |
| 06:46.36 | brlcad | there's a high possibility that fontmanager is a total red herring, that the real problem is in ftgl or in some other singleton |
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| 06:47.29 | brlcad | I see a corrupted stack even before entering main, implying one of the singletons has bad ju ju |
| 06:47.57 | brlcad | needs some valgrindage love |
| 06:50.58 | Flash | I have a fairly short stack trace |
| 06:51.47 | Flash | HUDDialogStack:push->MainMenu::resize->FontSizer::getFontSize->FontSizer::getFontSize->FontManager::getStringWidth->garbage |
| 06:52.18 | Manu | brlcad: last time I used valgrind on bzflag I was really afraid ;) |
| 06:55.11 | brlcad | Flash: and that's stack garbage -- just means *something* went wrong before getStringWidth() |
| 06:55.16 | brlcad | it should be deeper |
| 06:55.43 | brlcad | does it trace back up to main() ? |
| 06:55.47 | Flash | right, but the list of things before garbage is pretty short |
| 06:55.57 | Flash | yes, it does, but that's not much interest |
| 06:56.16 | brlcad | sure it is |
| 06:56.27 | Flash | SDL_main->startPlaying()->HUDDialogStack::push.... |
| 06:56.34 | Flash | and a bunch of SDL stuff above that |
| 06:57.17 | brlcad | so it made it at least to the playing loop |
| 06:57.30 | Flash | http://flash.pastebin.ca/970703 for the terminally curious |
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| 07:04.21 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16903 10/trunk/bzflag/src/3D/FontManager.cxx: sanity check, make sure stripped text isn't null since Advance dereferences without checking. |
| 07:05.43 | Flash | in my crash, it was "BZFlag" |
| 07:10.07 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16904 10/trunk/bzflag/src/3D/FontManager.cxx: ws |
| 07:21.35 | CIA-26 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * r16905 10/trunk/bzflag/TODO: more notes about the fontmanager destructor crash. |
| 07:21.41 | brlcad | yay, another DDoS |
| 07:28.02 | Flash | the call that crashes it is from FontSizer:135 |
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| 07:31.00 | Manu | brlcad: add one and you'll get a TTreS ;) |
| 07:31.23 | Zinden | hello, how do i actually start the game in linux from terminal? |
| 07:32.06 | Manu | install BZFlag and enter in a terminal: bzflag |
| 07:32.33 | Zinden | ok, then something in making the bzflag went wrong :( gonna try again |
| 07:36.20 | Flash | Zinden: which version? |
| 07:39.33 | Manu | Flash: does it matter? ;) |
| 07:39.35 | Zinden | 2.0.10 |
| 07:40.03 | Zinden | seems it finds the bzfs command though :) |
| 07:40.26 | Manu | what's your linux flavor? |
| 07:40.45 | Zinden | Foresight Linux |
| 07:41.00 | Zinden | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:41.04 | Manu | ah, the gnome one :) |
| 07:41.58 | Manu | Zinden: source? |
| 07:42.06 | Zinden | yes |
| 07:42.20 | Manu | have you installed source package or binary package? |
| 07:42.23 | Zinden | well the package....from sourgeforge |
| 07:42.29 | Zinden | sourceforge* |
| 07:42.33 | Manu | ah |
| 07:42.49 | Manu | really dunno, but the size is there :) |
| 07:43.03 | Zinden | trying to install with, configure, make, make install |
| 07:43.31 | Manu | ah, after configure you must read the last lines to see if bzflag client has been compiled |
| 07:44.02 | Manu | if you haven't installed some dev libraries, like SDL and opengl only the bzfs will be compiled |
| 07:44.44 | Zinden | lool, saw something about bzflag has no binary..... |
| 07:44.57 | Manu | that's the issue ;) |
| 07:45.04 | brlcad | Manu: TTres ? |
| 07:45.11 | Manu | brlcad: in spanish ;) |
| 07:45.17 | brlcad | t3? |
| 07:45.19 | Manu | 2+1=3 |
| 07:45.32 | Manu | DDoS+1=TTreS ;) |
| 07:45.38 | brlcad | ooooh, jeje |
| 07:45.39 | Manu | brlcad: a joke |
| 07:45.49 | brlcad | sttutter |
| 07:46.41 | Manu | Zinden: be sure you have installed all the required packages (dev packages) |
| 07:47.26 | Manu | Zinden: one you get it compiled, you don't need to install to run it |
| 07:47.56 | Zinden | ok, gonna check the dependencies |
| 07:49.15 | Manu | Zinden: just from the bzflag source directory do src/bzflag/bzflag -directory data |
| 07:49.30 | Manu | to run bzflag you only need the bzflag executable and the data dir |
| 07:51.51 | Zinden | is there a way to get the info from configure in terminal again? |
| 07:52.14 | Zinden | as its way up in the top and those message is gone...cant scroll that high up anymore |
| 07:52.43 | Manu | run ./configure again :) |
| 07:52.58 | Manu | ./configure > log |
| 07:53.03 | Manu | then less log |
| 07:53.31 | Manu | also there is a default configure log file IIRC |
| 07:54.23 | Zinden | ok, gonna see what the output say about that binary file this time |
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| 07:55.13 | Zinden | BZFlag-2.0.10.20080404 with the following: |
| 07:55.14 | Zinden | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:55.14 | Zinden | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:55.14 | Zinden | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:55.14 | Zinden | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:55.37 | Manu | Zinden: be sure you have the libsdlx.x-dev the libmesa*-dev and libcurlX-dev |
| 07:55.52 | bz26 | any wiki articles about how to compile in msvc? |
| 07:57.32 | Flash | looks innocent |
| 07:58.20 | Manu | patience is a virtue |
| 07:58.20 | Flash | brlcad: I think you are right; FontManager is a red herring. Stepping through in the debugger, things appear to go horribly wrong before that (or else gdb and Mac SDL don't get along well) |
| 07:59.00 | Manu | brlcad: who is that XXL guy with the bzflag t-shirt? :) |
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| 08:08.35 | Zinden | configure: WARNING: Client build has been requested, but GL is not fully available (missing gl.h) is that dependency problem? |
| 08:12.36 | Manu | yes, install mesa*-dev |
| 08:12.36 | Manu | and the your graphic card dev packages |
| 08:12.36 | Manu | probably |
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| 08:31.24 | brlcad | Manu: hm, no idea actually |
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| 08:46.16 | Flash | brlcad: found it |
| 08:46.50 | Flash | The problem is that the sizes array of FontFace is never initialized |
| 08:47.01 | Flash | assuming it will be zero-filled is a bad idea |
| 08:47.30 | Flash | I have a hack that simply initializes it, but I really think the FontFace struct/class needs to be reworked |
| 08:47.35 | Flash | but I'm going to bed |
| 08:48.33 | Flash | If it isn't fixed by tomorrow evening, I'll submit a patch. |
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| 10:21.47 | Mets | for running autogen.sh, outside of having automake, autoconf, and autotools-dev installed, what would I need? |
| 10:22.27 | Mets | I'm just getting a whole bunch of "command not found" errors |
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| 10:33.50 | tupone | libtool ? |
| 10:36.41 | Mets | got that |
| 10:36.44 | Mets | got m4 |
| 10:36.58 | Mets | i know i don't know why it won't run the script |
| 10:39.07 | Mets | http://pastebin.com/m29da0404 |
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| 12:07.57 | spldart | guess it's just up and down |
| 12:08.20 | whodaman- | guess |
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| 12:08.47 | Manu | or just sometimes you can connect and another not ;) |
| 12:08.48 | spldart | occasion 'error connecting to list server |
| 12:09.00 | spldart | not used to that |
| 12:09.11 | Manu | the server is and was up |
| 12:10.18 | spldart | Was wondering if we were under attack again. Must have been a black hole passing through the inet again |
| 12:10.35 | Manu | :) |
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| 14:32.05 | blast007 | Mets: maybe try running verbose and see if it gives any more detail: ./autogen.sh -v |
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| 16:02.36 | BulletCatcher | Mets: That "for" statement is on line 291 of my copy of autogen.sh in 2.0.10, and line 73 is part of the top comment block. If your autogen.sh is not 1491 lines long then it is corrupted. |
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| 16:21.23 | TD-Linux | aw shoot bzflag trunk still crashes |
| 16:22.09 | JeffM | where? |
| 16:22.22 | TD-Linux | after performance checks |
| 16:22.28 | JeffM | backtrace? |
| 16:22.34 | TD-Linux | I need to learn gdb better... |
| 16:22.45 | TD-Linux | has a core |
| 16:24.44 | JeffM | does it give the function the crash happend in? |
| 16:25.22 | Mets | blast007: verbose gives the same output, I think because the script isn't even really running, it's stalling before it does anything |
| 16:26.39 | Mets | BulletCatcher: I thought I'd try 2.0.8 first just for kicks, but my autogen.sh is 827 lines |
| 16:26.47 | Lukstr|Laptop | JeffM, Should I submit my patch even though it does nothing remotely productive :P |
| 16:27.17 | JeffM | yes |
| 16:27.52 | JeffM | as I said the patch is to show that you know how to build, etc.. |
| 16:29.38 | BulletCatcher | Mets: The first line of any version of autogen.sh should be "#!/bin/sh". Anything else means it is corrupted. |
| 16:31.16 | Lukstr|Laptop | Okily. |
| 16:31.26 | Lukstr|Laptop | Will submit in about 20 minutes |
| 16:31.29 | Lukstr|Laptop | :P |
| 16:31.38 | Lukstr|Laptop | tank parts now explode in a less-useful fashion |
| 16:36.52 | JeffM | the explostion wasn't usefull in the firstpalce ;) |
| 16:38.18 | blast007 | Mets: strange |
| 16:38.37 | blast007 | Mets: is that 2.0.x or trunk? |
| 16:39.26 | Mets | BulletCatcher: first line is indeed #!/bin/sh |
| 16:39.37 | Mets | blast007: it's 2.0.8 source directly from the website |
| 16:39.44 | blast007 | why 2.0.8? |
| 16:39.56 | blast007 | 2.0.10 is out, you know ;) |
| 16:39.58 | Mets | it's what I had on my computer without having to redownload lol |
| 16:40.01 | Mets | I know |
| 16:40.07 | blast007 | well, get 2.0.10 |
| 16:40.20 | blast007 | no point trying to debug an old version |
| 16:40.43 | Mets | well I can try, but I feel like I need to install something that's why I didn't bother |
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| 16:40.58 | Mets | let's give it a whirl |
| 16:40.59 | blast007 | Mets: can't hurt to try |
| 16:41.02 | JeffM | you have the bintools? |
| 16:41.21 | Mets | JeffM: not sure, I have autotools, let me check |
| 16:41.42 | JeffM | autotools is not the same as the basic unix build tools |
| 16:41.43 | JeffM | make, etcc |
| 16:41.54 | JeffM | it's like binutils, or bintools or soemthing |
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| 16:43.31 | Mets | k I had binutils, i installed binutils-dev but it didn't help |
| 16:43.45 | BulletCatcher | Try "autoconf". |
| 16:43.47 | JeffM | what distro are you on? |
| 16:44.29 | BulletCatcher | and "automake". |
| 16:45.11 | Mets | this problem started when I was trying to compile in cygwin, but right now I'm trying it on debian etch and getting the same thing |
| 16:45.32 | JeffM | did you extract the sources again? |
| 16:45.42 | JeffM | or are you using the same files that you used in cygwin? |
| 16:46.19 | Mets | BulletCatcher: autoconf and automake work, but when you try to configure it says "install-sh" not found, which is what autogen takes care of |
| 16:46.41 | Mets | JeffM: I was using the same set of files |
| 16:46.48 | JeffM | Mets, re-extract |
| 16:46.56 | JeffM | cygwin won't set the perms on the files correctly |
| 16:47.00 | JeffM | like execute, etc.. |
| 16:47.06 | Lukstr|Laptop | indeed |
| 16:47.06 | JeffM | windows is not linux |
| 16:47.17 | Lukstr|Laptop | more so than any other :) |
| 16:47.23 | Mets | whoa 2.0.10 autogen works |
| 16:47.36 | blast007 | amazing how we fix stuff in newer versions |
| 16:47.36 | JeffM | cus it's a clean extract |
| 16:47.44 | Mets | JeffM: I belive on windows I used 7zip to extract |
| 16:47.55 | Mets | lol, if that's the only reason I'm throwing my computers out the window |
| 16:48.00 | JeffM | Mets, windows dosn't have the same permsisons |
| 16:48.10 | JeffM | so it dosn't matter WHAT tool you used |
| 16:48.12 | Mets | oh my, ok let me try this, i want to fix this now |
| 16:48.13 | JeffM | it was the OS |
| 16:48.21 | JeffM | extract a clean .8 on nix |
| 16:48.26 | JeffM | it should work |
| 16:48.38 | blast007 | s/nix/cygwin/ |
| 16:48.52 | blast007 | I don't call cygwin linux either. I call it crap. |
| 16:48.58 | JeffM | a cygwin build is linux-like |
| 16:49.01 | JeffM | but it is not linux |
| 16:49.39 | JeffM | the big thing I'm betting is the execute bit |
| 16:49.42 | blast007 | Mets: you might want SDL too, but I guess see how well it works without it |
| 16:49.44 | JeffM | windows does not have an eecute bit |
| 16:49.55 | JeffM | so when you extracted the script |
| 16:49.59 | JeffM | it did not get it's bit set |
| 16:53.17 | Mets | ok, actually I just tried a few version of 08, but same problem |
| 16:53.34 | Mets | few meaning I re-downloaded and tried |
| 16:53.47 | Mets | that's really weird |
| 16:54.13 | blast007 | JeffM: if they were extracted from Windows, they might have *all* had the execute bit set. I've had that when I copy files off a FAT32 memory card on my nokia |
| 16:55.03 | blast007 | cygwin might be different though |
| 16:55.08 | JeffM | yeah they could be all jacked up |
| 16:55.36 | JeffM | windows to nix permision mapping is "fun" |
| 16:55.41 | Mets | actually, I know mingw could run autogen |
| 16:55.46 | Mets | for this version |
| 16:55.52 | Lukstr|Laptop | mingw is sexy |
| 16:56.01 | JeffM | Mets, thats not the same as linux |
| 16:56.02 | Epyon | and slow |
| 16:56.29 | JeffM | hey it's Epyon :) |
| 16:56.34 | JeffM | how's it goin man? |
| 16:56.52 | Epyon | Kinda wierd and sleepy since I switched time |
| 16:56.58 | JeffM | heh |
| 16:57.04 | JeffM | you owe us 12$ ;) |
| 16:57.22 | Epyon | Oh yeah, I didn't order the shirt yet |
| 16:57.28 | Mets | ok, I tried the tar.gz version posted on the wiki of 08 and it works |
| 16:57.34 | JeffM | I shipped it to you anyway |
| 16:57.41 | JeffM | just paypal me 12$ |
| 16:57.46 | Epyon | Oh, so gimme the paypal address |
| 16:57.48 | Mets | not sure why the zipped version of source didn't |
| 16:57.55 | JeffM | store at bzflag dot bz |
| 16:58.05 | blast007 | Mets: the zipped version probably was made on a Windows sytem |
| 16:58.08 | blast007 | system* |
| 16:58.12 | JeffM | Mets, because the zipped version uses windows line endings |
| 16:58.13 | Mets | ah, good call blast |
| 16:58.16 | Epyon | BTW, when is the expected shipping date? |
| 16:58.17 | Mets | oups |
| 16:58.19 | Mets | heh |
| 16:58.23 | JeffM | zip for windows, tar for nix |
| 16:58.34 | blast007 | also, the tar.gz and tar.bz2 both already had ./autogen.sh run, so you didn't even need to run it for those |
| 16:58.48 | JeffM | Epyon, yesterday |
| 16:58.56 | Mets | oh cool, I didn't know that |
| 16:59.06 | JeffM | now in 2.0.10 the zip was made on nix |
| 16:59.14 | JeffM | so it too had autogen run |
| 16:59.44 | Mets | oh that makes sense why it failed in cygwin, because I was using windows files |
| 16:59.45 | BulletCatcher | The 2.0.8 version of autogen.sh has a bug that misinterprets automake version 1.10 as 1.1, which would be too old. I will not be submitting a patch. :-) |
| 16:59.53 | JeffM | Epyon, she'll probably have it monday |
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| 17:00.08 | JeffM | BulletCatcher, .8 is dead |
| 17:00.24 | BulletCatcher | That's why I will not submit a patch. :-) |
| 17:00.27 | Mets | lol bullet |
| 17:00.28 | spldart | heh |
| 17:00.36 | JeffM | heck .10 is dead |
| 17:00.46 | BulletCatcher | Long live .11 !!!! |
| 17:00.50 | JeffM | no |
| 17:00.53 | Mets | congratulates himself |
| 17:00.55 | BulletCatcher | :-) |
| 17:00.55 | JeffM | .10 should never have been |
| 17:00.58 | Epyon | JeffM, 12$ sent. Thanks for taking care of it :) |
| 17:01.01 | Mets | too lazy to download .10, so this is what you get |
| 17:01.06 | JeffM | Epyon, thanks and no prob |
| 17:01.38 | JeffM | Mets, so cus you are too lazy you had to take the time of a bunch of other people? that's not cool |
| 17:01.39 | blast007 | Epyon: you wanted the bright pink shirt, right? |
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| 17:01.54 | Epyon | should probably polish up the GSoC proposals today and send them in |
| 17:02.04 | Mets | JeffM: no I really had no idea about the different file perms |
| 17:02.17 | Mets | I assumed it would be fine, I figured an archive is an archive |
| 17:02.20 | Epyon | blast007, :P. Well if that would happen, my girlfriend would get an unexpected present ^^ |
| 17:02.26 | blast007 | hehe |
| 17:02.29 | JeffM | you know what assumed means right? |
| 17:02.35 | JeffM | makes an ass out of u and me ;) |
| 17:02.40 | Mets | lol |
| 17:02.48 | Mets | lesson re-learned |
| 17:03.01 | Mets | thanks for the help everybody |
| 17:03.04 | blast007 | Mets: cygwin likely create a hidden file in directories that it accesses to store the linux-style permissions |
| 17:03.15 | blast007 | or something along those lines |
| 17:03.50 | Mets | blast007: perhaps, after mingw failed I just started to try everything I could throw at it, so i gave cygwin a go |
| 17:04.03 | Mets | but mingw doesn't work well at all under vista, and that's the only Doz I've got right now |
| 17:04.56 | JeffM | vistual studio 2005 should work under vista |
| 17:05.15 | Mets | yeah that thing is ridiculous though, there's like a gig of stuff you need to install to compile |
| 17:05.24 | JeffM | so? |
| 17:05.46 | Mets | I could give it a shot, thought I'd try something a bit more unix-like first though before completely caving in to microsoft |
| 17:06.45 | Mets | just curious - what's the difference in file perms between the windows and linux source; i.e. is there a way to change them from one to another? |
| 17:09.27 | BulletCatcher | Mets: The binutils-dev package you installed earlier is not needed to compile BZFlag, so you could remove it if you want. |
| 17:10.05 | Mets | BulletCatcher: thanks I'll get rid of it |
| 17:10.24 | Mets | actually just checked, looks like a little chmod could have fixed it too |
| 17:10.33 | Mets | had I known |
| 17:13.10 | TD-Linux | aren't you already caving in to microsoft by running vista? :P |
| 17:13.16 | JeffM | Mets, mostly exectute permsions |
| 17:13.23 | TD-Linux | sees nothing wrong with using microsoft's tools for microsoft's OS :P |
| 17:13.45 | JeffM | VC is prety nice |
| 17:13.49 | JeffM | has a very slick debuger |
| 17:14.05 | JeffM | tho if you are building branch you may have a couple hitches |
| 17:14.17 | Mets | lol, TD-Linux I have a new laptop, not a lot of driver support yet for all of my hardware, so I haven't setup linux yet on it |
| 17:14.21 | JeffM | since I didn't optimise the build for 2005 in branch |
| 17:18.17 | TD-Linux | gdb seems to freeze bzflag when it segfaults |
| 17:18.33 | TD-Linux | meaning I have to kill bzflag, which in turn seems to crash X :( |
| 17:18.55 | JeffM | TD-Linux, try running in a window |
| 17:19.03 | TD-Linux | ok |
| 17:19.36 | JeffM | mentions VCs debuger again, and how it seems to have less focus issues then terminal and gdb ;) |
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| 17:23.45 | TD-Linux | yeah and I'm also a n00b at gdb |
| 17:24.10 | TD-Linux | the stack trace goes to startPlaying() at leats |
| 17:26.57 | L4m3r | JeffM: random store idea |
| 17:27.04 | L4m3r | portable bz on a thumbdrive :P |
| 17:27.25 | whodaman- | hah |
| 17:27.40 | L4m3r | 128MB drives can be had for almost nothing these days... they give them away at conventions and stuff |
| 17:28.29 | L4m3r | and they'd ship in an envelope, no problem |
| 17:28.50 | spldart | That was an aim for trunk wasn't it? the ability to run from a thumb drive or other removable media? |
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| 17:29.30 | L4m3r | there's no reason you can't do that now, assuming that -directory works properly on the target OS |
| 17:29.44 | L4m3r | not sure what the details are for that one |
| 17:29.45 | spldart | It can't be done properly with 2.0.10 |
| 17:29.59 | spldart | truly run just from portable storage |
| 17:30.24 | L4m3r | you're going to have to load the app into memory :) |
| 17:30.47 | L4m3r | but yeah, afaik the only hard thing is getting the config dir to stay on the drive |
| 17:30.53 | spldart | right |
| 17:31.09 | L4m3r | is that where the directory option is broken? |
| 17:31.31 | L4m3r | (or was it configdir?) |
| 17:32.31 | spldart | My brother was trying to make 2.0.10 to run from his flash and said, I believe, it kept trying to go to the local drive to cache or something |
| 17:33.14 | spldart | He posted about it on bzbb a while back but said nothing came of it. I'm assuming trunk will be a more portable app from what I've heard here. |
| 17:33.26 | L4m3r | well, if it's not too much hassle, we could probably just fix 2.0 for that |
| 17:33.43 | L4m3r | from what I've heard it's just a bug, not a lack of features |
| 17:34.05 | spldart | I tried to talk him into submitting a patch.. He's a programmer.. but he's burned out on writing code and didn't want to |
| 17:34.59 | L4m3r | heh... it'd be fun to have a cool bzflag-branded flash drive :P "tank keys" |
| 17:35.37 | spldart | kewl idea |
| 17:36.57 | L4m3r | I've got a 128MB drive here that someone gave chillin at a job fair... "Kimley-Horn and Associates, inc" |
| 17:37.28 | L4m3r | they've got a video preloaded on it. I can't quite tell who makes this drive, though |
| 17:37.35 | JeffM | well letss see how the shirts sell first ;) |
| 17:37.44 | spldart | needs to search his room.. Hasn't seen his 1g flash in a while |
| 17:37.51 | L4m3r | heh |
| 17:38.01 | L4m3r | I need to wipe Knoppix of my 2G |
| 17:38.06 | L4m3r | off* |
| 17:38.11 | spldart | ooOOoo.. run bzflag from an mp3 player as a flash storage |
| 17:38.22 | L4m3r | that could be fun |
| 17:38.33 | spldart | Gotta 5 gig samsung |
| 17:39.36 | L4m3r | my ZVM has the capability to add a UMS partition to itself, but it doesn't interface directly with USB, and the "dock connector" is larger than a thumbdrive :P |
| 17:42.12 | spldart | better yet my mp4.. radio, mp3, movies, storage and a handly portable bzflag :-) |
| 17:42.24 | spldart | That's alotta entertainment |
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| 17:57.31 | JeffM | The "tankey" idea isn't bad, it would be interesting to build one that had 3 partitions, and was set to use a local config dir ( maybe a magic file or something ). But I'm not totaly convinced the community will spend money ;) |
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| 18:42.07 | Mets | sigh, i pitty the person who compiles this on windows for us all |
| 18:43.24 | blast007 | Mets: it's easy... we don't use EE |
| 18:43.56 | Mets | EE? |
| 18:44.10 | blast007 | express edition |
| 18:44.37 | blast007 | the full visual studio includes the sdks we need to build |
| 18:44.56 | Mets | hmm, and it doesn't complain all the time? |
| 18:45.39 | blast007 | complain? it might for 2.0.x if you're using 2005 |
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| 18:45.55 | blast007 | 2.0.x was done with 2003 |
| 18:46.03 | Mets | ah, I'm using cygwin |
| 18:47.02 | Mets | it was going along ok, but it hit some kind of error in MD5.cxx |
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| 18:47.50 | blast007 | which error? |
| 18:48.53 | Mets | md5.cxx 79: error: prototype for 'void MD5::update(const uint8_t*, unsigned int)' does not match any in class MD5 |
| 18:49.29 | Mets | is it not actually unsigned maybe?? |
| 18:49.38 | blast007 | fun |
| 18:49.52 | blast007 | 2.0.10? |
| 18:49.58 | Mets | yea |
| 18:51.56 | Mets | think that is a cygwin problem that wouldn't happen in MSVC++ 2005 or something? |
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| 18:53.42 | Wyk3d1 | so .. any opinions/comments/suggestions on the proposal so far ? |
| 18:55.21 | blast007 | Mets: I build fine in 2003. I don't use 2005. |
| 18:57.00 | TheRedBaron | builds trunk fine with 2005 |
| 18:57.09 | TheRedBaron | I think spldart uses 2005 also |
| 18:57.17 | spldart | trunk is easy breezy with 2k5 |
| 18:57.22 | spldart | but not branch |
| 18:57.28 | spldart | at least not quite |
| 18:57.51 | spldart | Jeffm gave me a few pointers and walah |
| 18:58.03 | spldart | fer trunk |
| 18:59.07 | spldart | also has been and still is building in linux however |
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| 20:08.59 | Constitution | JeffM: have the shirts been packaged yet? |
| 20:09.22 | Winny | I got a USPS tracking number :) |
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| 20:20.21 | JeffM | Constitution, um dude yeah, yours left yesterday |
| 20:20.50 | JeffM | mr "oh no my shipping address is not the same as billing" ;) |
| 20:21.00 | Lukstr | haha |
| 20:21.04 | JeffM | made me type |
| 20:21.14 | JeffM | Winny, yours is with the post office now |
| 20:21.46 | JeffM | Constitution, you may have yours by monday, L4m3r should have his today maybe |
| 20:21.49 | JeffM | or tomorow |
| 20:21.55 | L4m3r | yup, it's in the mailroom apparently |
| 20:21.59 | JeffM | whoot |
| 20:22.06 | L4m3r | so I should be able to pick it up later today |
| 20:22.15 | JeffM | DTRemenak did get first delivery |
| 20:22.28 | L4m3r | I won't be back up the hill until 7 or 8 though, probably |
| 20:23.11 | JeffM | you need to send in customer action shots |
| 20:23.32 | Saturos | btw, JeffM, nice photos you made there |
| 20:23.41 | Saturos | very high quality, nice lighting |
| 20:23.41 | L4m3r | would you like one of me sitting on my ass playing bzflag, or just sleeping? :P |
| 20:23.44 | JeffM | thanks, they came out acceptably well |
| 20:23.51 | JeffM | well most of that lighting is fake :) |
| 20:24.01 | Winny | hehe |
| 20:24.02 | JeffM | I realy needed biger lights |
| 20:24.57 | JeffM | Saturos, yours is on it's way too |
| 20:25.08 | JeffM | I only have one unshipped order |
| 20:25.14 | Saturos | yay |
| 20:25.21 | whodaman- | hmm |
| 20:25.25 | whodaman- | I should order one too |
| 20:25.27 | Saturos | so I will send you an action shot in like ... six weeks :D |
| 20:25.32 | whodaman- | but first Saturos has to send me mine :D |
| 20:25.36 | Saturos | heh |
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| 20:27.13 | Saturos | the front-icon looks a little too big |
| 20:27.22 | Winny | too late now :p |
| 20:27.43 | Saturos | o rly? :p |
| 20:29.03 | L4m3r | I don't think you can fix it with photoshop |
| 20:29.05 | whodaman- | heh |
| 20:30.16 | Saturos | but overall I love how it turned out.. it is quite amazing to know people run around with your artwork on their shirts :) |
| 20:30.53 | L4m3r | heh |
| 20:31.28 | Constitution | JeffM: so it's been shipped? |
| 20:31.44 | Winny | "Constitution, um dude yeah, yours left yesterday" |
| 20:32.05 | JeffM | Constitution, yeah |
| 20:32.23 | JeffM | should have had an e-mail to your paypal email |
| 20:35.50 | Constitution | okay |
| 20:36.19 | Constitution | if not, I was thinking I might order another one, but that can wait |
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| 20:36.35 | Constitution | oh sorry, didn't catch the whole scrollback |
| 20:36.54 | JeffM | you can order another, only 4.60 to ship |
| 20:37.20 | whodaman- | JeffM: how much for euro shipping? |
| 20:37.42 | JeffM | whodaman-, for a single shirt 11$ |
| 20:38.05 | whodaman- | right |
| 20:38.07 | whodaman- | that sucks |
| 20:38.10 | JeffM | has to weight under a bound |
| 20:38.14 | JeffM | pound |
| 20:38.30 | JeffM | thats like 5$ euros |
| 20:38.45 | JeffM | what's it cost to ship something from england to germany? |
| 20:38.52 | whodaman- | 7 |
| 20:38.57 | whodaman- | no idae |
| 20:39.27 | whodaman- | great, my hand just fell alep, so I can'ttype properly |
| 20:39.32 | whodaman- | .. |
| 20:39.44 | Winny | it just randomly fell asleep...? |
| 20:39.45 | whodaman- | s/alep/asleep |
| 20:39.50 | whodaman- | Winny: yeah.. |
| 20:39.57 | Winny | that doesn't sound healthy |
| 20:39.58 | whodaman- | playing too much BZ I guess |
| 20:40.07 | whodaman- | yay, gone |
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| 21:04.43 | slon02 | does anyone know why I can't join one specific server, but can join all of the others? |
| 21:05.08 | TheRedBaron | banned? |
| 21:05.19 | slon02 | I mean, it closes the client when I try |
| 21:06.23 | Winny | Really super banned? |
| 21:06.48 | slon02 | I doubt that I'm banned since I'm supposed to be an admin there.. |
| 21:08.39 | Mets | which one slon? |
| 21:09.05 | slon02 | Cruelmania |
| 21:09.32 | Mets | mm can't help with that, does it give you a quit message? |
| 21:09.39 | slon02 | no |
| 21:09.47 | slon02 | just closes my client |
| 21:09.54 | Mets | but the rest work? |
| 21:10.26 | slon02 | yes |
| 21:11.21 | Mets | do you actually connect and then it kicks you off, or can you not even connect at all |
| 21:11.55 | slon02 | I get to the downloading files, then it closes |
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| 21:12.24 | Mets | yeah it just did the same for me lol |
| 21:12.31 | jftsang | hey all |
| 21:12.47 | Mets | but i tried a second time and it worked |
| 21:13.31 | slon02 | still no |
| 21:14.50 | whodaman- | test |
| 21:14.54 | Mets | not sure, it's using a release candidate for bzfs, that might have something to do with it |
| 21:14.59 | Mets | whodaman-: test failed :p |
| 21:16.04 | slon02 | bzadmin also closed >.< |
| 21:16.19 | Mets | why did cd install that instead of stable or branch? |
| 21:17.31 | slon02 | ? |
| 21:19.37 | slon02 | so nobody has a solution? |
| 21:19.55 | whodaman- | Don't join cruelmania |
| 21:19.57 | whodaman- | runs |
| 21:20.00 | Mets | lol |
| 21:20.22 | Mets | what client are you using slon? |
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| 21:21.27 | slon02 | 2.0.10 |
| 21:22.20 | Mets | i'm totally hazarding a guess, but maybe because he's using a release candidate version of bzfs instead of a stable version it's acting weird |
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| 21:28.07 | JeffM | Mets, no, that's just a crash |
| 21:28.14 | JeffM | slon02, does it give any errors or just close? |
| 21:28.19 | slon02 | just closes |
| 21:28.28 | JeffM | what server? |
| 21:28.35 | Mets | yeah i was just guessing jeff |
| 21:28.59 | slon02 | cruelmania |
| 21:29.56 | Winny | I can join fine |
| 21:30.02 | Winny | (not that I want to) :p |
| 21:30.04 | JeffM | slon02, what OS? |
| 21:30.59 | slon02 | Windows |
| 21:31.27 | Mets | the old reboot fix? |
| 21:31.30 | JeffM | and it's our offical build ? |
| 21:31.44 | Winny | maybe a corrupt texture cache? |
| 21:31.52 | Winny | clear the texture cache and see what happens |
| 21:31.56 | JeffM | probalby a bad map cache |
| 21:32.08 | JeffM | clear the entire cache system |
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| 21:32.57 | JeffM | \My Documents\My BZFlag Files\cache |
| 21:33.01 | JeffM | just throw that away |
| 21:33.37 | slon02 | it worked |
| 21:33.44 | JeffM | yeah bad cache |
| 21:33.46 | JeffM | can happen |
| 21:34.34 | Lukstr|Laptop | weird |
| 21:34.35 | slon02 | thanks for your help |
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| 21:51.43 | Monobi2 | Lol, I probably shouldnt be in this channel because I have bzflag hilighted ;) |
| 21:51.46 | Monobi2 | parts |
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| 22:06.29 | Winny | I've been stood-up, messed around, but next time 'roud, I'm gonna change the rules! |
| 22:06.41 | Winny | (look, a non-rickroll rick astley song) |
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| 22:53.52 | mib_980rhy | how do you compile bzflag in MSVC? |
| 22:55.28 | JeffM | what version of BZ and what version of MSVC? |
| 22:55.47 | mib_980rhy | 2005 EE and 2.0.x |
| 22:56.09 | JeffM | you have the platform SDK< and directX from april 2007? |
| 22:56.24 | mib_980rhy | yes, by compiling i mean "f5" |
| 22:56.46 | JeffM | F7 |
| 22:56.51 | JeffM | F5 runs |
| 22:56.55 | mib_980rhy | oh |
| 22:57.07 | JeffM | before you can run debug you have to set the debug command and working dir |
| 22:57.39 | mib_980rhy | how? |
| 22:57.50 | JeffM | right click on the bzflag project |
| 22:57.55 | JeffM | choose "set as default project" |
| 22:58.05 | JeffM | then right click on it again and choose properties |
| 22:58.12 | JeffM | then go to the debug section |
| 22:58.24 | JeffM | set the debug command to point to the exe that was copied to the root level of the source tree |
| 22:58.37 | JeffM | then set the working dir to the same folder ( root of the source tree ) |
| 22:58.47 | mib_980rhy | what do you mean by bzflag project |
| 22:58.53 | JeffM | then copy your curl DLL to the root dir |
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| 22:59.02 | JeffM | in VC there is a list of projects |
| 22:59.22 | JeffM | in the solution videwer |
| 22:59.22 | JeffM | viewer |
| 22:59.22 | JeffM | why do you need to debug anyway? |
| 22:59.29 | mib_980rhy | i have a folder of the src from tortoise, what do i do from there |
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| 23:00.26 | JeffM | when you hit F7 did that build BZ with no errors? |
| 23:00.52 | bz26 | lol i'm not sure how to get the folder from tortoise SVN into VC |
| 23:01.01 | JeffM | oh |
| 23:01.02 | JeffM | wow man |
| 23:01.10 | JeffM | you really need to do those tutorial |
| 23:01.15 | JeffM | open the win32 folder |
| 23:01.19 | JeffM | open the VC8 folder |
| 23:01.30 | JeffM | double click the BZFlag.sln file |
| 23:02.57 | bz26 | now? |
| 23:03.16 | JeffM | how to double click? |
| 23:03.16 | blast007 | F7 |
| 23:03.24 | JeffM | yeah once it's open |
| 23:03.26 | JeffM | hit F7 |
| 23:03.32 | blast007 | then, pray |
| 23:03.35 | JeffM | or go to the build menu and use "build solution" |
| 23:05.51 | donny_baker | wonders why bz26 is compiling the source instead of just using prebuilt for 2.0.x |
| 23:06.09 | JeffM | he was trying to do some dev work |
| 23:06.10 | bz26 | what do you mean donny? |
| 23:06.15 | donny_baker | the code hasn't changed |
| 23:06.17 | JeffM | but refuses to actualy learn how to program |
| 23:06.18 | donny_baker | ah |
| 23:06.23 | donny_baker | :P |
| 23:06.32 | bz26 | does not refuse |
| 23:06.41 | JeffM | yet you have not done it |
| 23:06.42 | bz26 | IS still learning |
| 23:06.56 | JeffM | do the tutorials, learn how VC works |
| 23:06.59 | JeffM | THEN move on to BZ |
| 23:10.35 | Lukstr|Laptop | JeffM, Should I submit the diff of the file for the patch? |
| 23:11.18 | JeffM | Lukstr|Laptop, yes |
| 23:11.25 | JeffM | universal patch please |
| 23:12.35 | Lukstr|Laptop | universal patch? |
| 23:12.48 | blast007 | 'svn diff' does universal diffs automatically |
| 23:13.04 | Lukstr|Laptop | mmmk |
| 23:13.16 | blast007 | it was only an issue on CVS, or when using the 'diff' application |
| 23:14.20 | Lukstr|Laptop | roger that |
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| 23:18.24 | Lukstr|Laptop | does anyone know any more info other than what's in the todo file regarding the MsgNewRabbit pack/unpack zero'd byte? |
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| 23:20.54 | blast007 | Lukstr|Laptop: look in the source |
| 23:21.02 | Lukstr|Laptop | I have |
| 23:21.21 | Lukstr|Laptop | I'm still unsure what the line refers to |
| 23:23.23 | Lukstr|Laptop | eh, I'll look into it when I come back later. |
| 23:23.30 | Lukstr|Laptop | I have to go, be back in an hour-ish |
| 23:23.35 | blast007 | k |
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| 23:29.32 | JeffM | that may not be valid anymore |
| 23:29.43 | JeffM | there were crashes based on packing nothings |
| 23:39.39 | donny_baker | yay... my shirts should be here tomorrow... they are in Indianapolis right now :) |
| 23:39.58 | JeffM | wow.. tracking actualy works? |
| 23:40.18 | Winny | They actually got shipped to Chicango China |
| 23:42.30 | donny_baker | JeffM: didn't on the CD... was to slow to get an actual update.. |
| 23:42.37 | donny_baker | but the shirt it did |
| 23:42.58 | donny_baker | CD was at my house the day before it showed on the web |
| 23:43.36 | JeffM | hah |
| 23:43.53 | JeffM | L4m3r's already arrived |
| 23:44.37 | donny_baker | it didn't have to go all the way across the country... the usps is impressing me |
| 23:45.05 | donny_baker | i'll have mine 1 day after someone in the same state as you |
| 23:45.23 | JeffM | indeed |
| 23:45.46 | JeffM | his did go into the postal system in the morning, yours at night |
| 23:47.17 | JeffM | bu I'm prety sure that it basicly ether goes on a plane, or a big truck and 2 of the days are spent getting it to and from said plane |
| 23:50.14 | donny_baker | goes to finish his taxes :? |
| 23:50.31 | AAA_awright | http://aaa.busyflag.org/page/Main_Page MediaWiki with Winny's beautiful template and the Single-Sign in extension |
| 23:51.46 | Winny | s/beautiful/non IE 6 |
| 23:52.11 | donny_baker | wiki is surprisingly absent |
| 23:52.14 | AAA_awright | Non-IE period |
| 23:52.16 | donny_baker | :P |
| 23:52.23 | Think_Differentl | and uses CPU when scrolling :P |
| 23:52.34 | Winny | Think_Differentl, that would be on your end |
| 23:52.39 | Winny | not my problem |
| 23:52.40 | Winny | :) |
| 23:52.41 | Think_Differentl | tis not |
| 23:52.48 | JeffM | I think I'd still prefer drupal for the mainsite |
| 23:53.17 | Winny | indeed |
| 23:53.21 | AAA_awright | This isn't the main site, though it shows it very well could be |
| 23:53.38 | JeffM | no it shows that it can show some of the same info, poorly |
| 23:53.48 | JeffM | it just shows that winny's template is very viable |
| 23:54.02 | JeffM | tho he has to take that icon overlay out of the top image |
| 23:54.15 | Winny | brlcad: I have a 6 letter word for you that starts with a "D" :) |
| 23:54.50 | Winny | JeffM, Ill do that now |
| 23:55.14 | donny_baker | ohhh... is 'l' in it? |
| 23:55.40 | AAA_awright | Winny: Safari is applying a different Gamma to the background jpg image... |
| 23:55.53 | AAA_awright | It looks brown |
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| 23:58.29 | Winny | Ok, updated the header img in the SVN |
| 23:59.58 | Winny | http://art.bzflagr.net/svnroot/Website/V2.0/BZDrupalTheme/images/header.jpg |
